Big YouTuber Situation

0:00 The video that made everyone mad
23:34 The apology
by ‪@watcher‬ • Goodbye KZbin • An Update
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[@Copyrightme81]

I am absolutely happy that I have no idea who these people are.

[@mrs.h2725]

The friggin piano music is kiling me 😂

[@lepotdefleur9906]

I only know of them because of Aba and Preach , which btw are getting copy strikes by some firm for their Jubilee videos reaction. This might happen to others that have done that also. edit Seems Jubilee last video got ratio-ed to hell and they removed the claims, I guess comments matter when someone do online content , weird huh haha.

[@Alcathr]

I never saw them anywhere either.

[@Healcraft]

same

[@jerepesonen8426]

I bet you know bussfeed tho? They use to be there

[@UpRisingCake]

Saying "I learned how to be human from KZbin" is the least human thing you can say

[@klaasvaak8009]

yeah sounds like something dr. Sbaitso would mention during a therapy session..

[@aCookedFella]

Mark Zuckerberg comes to mind for no particular reason

[@nguyentri6651]

think about it in an creator's POV, like learning to be a better entertainer/ better person. the worlding is not well thought out but i don't find it wrong or repulsive, unless you're nickpicking for things to criticize. You're not doing that, are you ?

[@Ecliptor.]

he's asian, so it makes sense

[@jesspeed]

⁠​⁠@@nguyentri6651sounds like you’re the one doing the nitpicking.

[@KevinG9012]

“I learned how to be a human on KZbin.” That seems like a problem.

[@Secret_Takodachi]

Yes, officer, this is the POI that said that claim right here. Now let's do an unboxing of their closet & find out how many corpses they have hidden in their closet! 🤣

[@ultimateyesman6093]

It's up there with those "I don't do it for the money" phrases. Make your audience feel for you.

[@lilporky8565]

Well some people don't really get the opportunity to learn to be human from other humans.

[@infernocop31]

true, this parasocial relationship thing that many youtubers are doing is despicable. A month ago a couple of youtubers in italy that fell off made the same thing, they put their next videos behind a 13 euros paywall, and they made a video exactly like this saying the exact same things. Its uncanny seeing how equal they are.

[@dustinjenney9736]

Better than tiktok but not by much 😅

[@aidenwrath1402]

When they announced that streaming service, literally the first thought in my head was “this is dead on arrival” lmao

[@M_k-zi3tn]

I think they should have done what Sidemen did with Side+. Monetize their behind the scenes stuff that doesn't make it in the final video and make other content specifically for their service but continue providing content on their yt channels.

[@mac1bc]

Agreed. I don't know who is going to sign up for this streaming service

[@golgothan]

web2 platform capture makes it nearly impossible for independent creators... nobody wants to jump through hoops to watch something especially an individual source, charging $6/month ideally, they need to find an integrative platform that combines several creators, and prices each individual episode at the cost advertisers were paying for each view... which i'm guessing is pennies per view (considering Facebook claimed they only made $5/month per user each month, with probably hundreds to thousands of ADs viewed) web3 seems like the only viable solution, as it's capable of all of the above... unless a web2 platform enables micropayments by allowing users to top off their wallets in larger payments, and allow creators to set video pricing but i doubt that will happen, as the control over people's viewing is basically the covert product, so they can slowly drive agendas to control the overall culture, and collect psychological data profiles creators are just assets... and i doubt any web2 competitors would make any money in an already financially captured market

[@brianosterman456]

@@M_k-zi3tn they already did that with patreon

[@kringsom]

If they literally just made it so that people can watch their videos early it would had been better

[@tooruoikawa8985]

I only find out about new KZbinrs when they make apology videos.

[@xodiousfaith1858]

They do have good content

[@Kamroncraig]

straight up🤣

[@makotonarukami7468]

Every few months I unsub to channels so that I have 10 channels. That way, less crap. (Example: I got tired of the mgtow related crap, I got tired of female channels dating advice, got tired of tech review channels, got tired of travel to Tokyo channels due to reconsidering my vacation plans. Like...working for 6 months just to go to a 2 week trip? Should I? Should I if it means that i can't go to the movies or dine out as I am saving up withing 6 months? I mean....

[@Ztsakkeus]

These guys are not "new"... it was around 10 years ago i saw them first time.. just on different channels..

[@1SmokedTurkey1]

These guys are not new. They used to have a program on buzzfeed then branched off to their own shit. They were pretty entertaining to watch.

[@plastictrumpet6862]

“We need money so we decided to completely isolate ourselves from the greater content ecosystem by removing ourselves from KZbin onto a personal streaming service. Yes, this streaming service offers minimal value as the only content is us but it’s totally worth it guys.” Genius move

[@InnerRise]

Holy $h%#😭

[@shinra4141]

Where's the ukulele? Apology not accepted.

[@Tijuanabill]

Deep cut joke lol

[@gagnarork]

@@Tijuanabill buddy just copied the top comment from Moist's video

[@Tijuanabill]

@@gagnarork How does that change what I said, at all?

[@roo-2k]

@@gagnarork Who tf cares, not everyone will see the same video reaction from another youtuber lmao.

[@randomwatcher8673]

Can someone explain the origin story of the apologetic ukulele? Thanks in advance.

[@Phernaldo]

These guys take themselves way too serious. Legends in their own mind.

[@nickf2657]

Like most artistic people.

[@fumirokugen576]

protagonist syndrome is more serious than most people think

[@user-texgen]

Shut guys, they're literally the main characters /s

[@richie0099]

😂

[@RegularFlyGuy]

Pretty much, yeah. Its ironic considering 90% of their audience are fans because they watched a show where the editing was just blue and yellow subtitles appearing on black screen during their discussions.

[@zazikikomo7796]

I love how Asmongold doesn't give a shit about what they're talking about and zeroes in on the 135 dollar pizza.

[@GuiltlessGear]

fuck whatever it is they did thats enough reason to hate anybody

[@KivinenJari]

It's actually worth a watch. It's a video about a cheap 2$ pizza vs a 135$ pizza, and they have other videos about other foods. Maybe they should compare Asmongold's 2$ steak vs a 100$ steak.

[@p4bl04]

Never pay too much for a pizza. compared to steak, it's worth paying for a perfect marbled, cooked steak.

[@Velacroix]

And the point of that video was deciding the quality between cheap, mid range, and overpriced pizzas. But Asmon has pea brain and selectively disregards context.

[@candelabra7764]

Because what they are talking about is pompous and boring where the pizza is at least interesting.

[@Firaxo]

„I learned how to be a human on YT” that is actually a very fucking dystopian and crazy statement

[@Dblock510]

What does dystopia mean? I'm watching the video and don't wanna pause on my phone to look it up.

[@fabiankuntzig6507]

found that to be weird, too.

[@burningcactus4336]

@@Dblock510 big bad

[@blessanabey5575]

​@@Dblock510 our world is going towards it kinda, ima copy paste it, an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic.

[@andrewnguyen4801]

​@@Dblock510utopia is a society/world rhat is ideal/paradise. Dystopia is the opposite.

[@710moose8]

Keep in mind they already have a Patreon that has like 15k subs. Plus all the money they get for sponsors and ads. Plus the loot from the live shows and can’t forget the expensive merch. They literally tried to turn into what they left buzzfeed. This is why you don’t hire all 25 of your friends and family in LA their channel does not need that much full time staff. Not to mention some of their shows are travel around in luxury and buy the most expensive food 😂😂😂😂

[@WorkingProduct]

That patreon is not nearly enough to cover their costs, I doubt the rest of their revenue is making up for their monthly costs either

[@Offisian]

@@WorkingProduct than dont have that many costs u literally need like 6 guys to make the content they are making a camera man a sound guy and a couple editors

[@nakiangoderich3014]

​@@WorkingProduct Watch penguinz0, get proved wrong.

[@nakiangoderich3014]

When a guy who owns a company specializing in providing advertisements says that their earning 15 to 35k PER SPONSORSHIP you know Watcher is lying through their teeth.

[@caboosefanatic]

jesus christ you could have at least did 1 minute of looking at their patreon before talking lol, it literally says they have under 6k paid patreons, also not sure which channel you are watching but their watcher channel is literally their ghost vids, mystery stories, tier list for foods or foods during their visit to fan meets/cons

[@cooliotopnotch6287]

"I learned how to be a human on youtube" I thank God I have no idea who these "people" are

[@IcyBlaze616]

I was about to say "literally who?!" and then i saw they were former Buzzfeed writers and I'm like yeah that makes a lot of sense.

[@gamemail6207]

🦉

[@moonrabbit2334]

Don't judge before you know anything. They were part of BuzzFeed but their content was the best there. They did a lot of paranormal survey stuffs and ghost stories and they were of so much high quality and very fun to watch

[@isaacgirouard5924]

​@@moonrabbit2334 Nah, from this stupid idea, they very much deserved to be judged for who they worked for.

[@k1d666]

the guy on the left was from "Worth It" which imo is by far the best thing BuzzFeed has ever done (not that there's a lot of competition).

[@xTunafishx]

I thought this was a spoof at first, cause they were pitching themselves like they were the CollegeHumor of their day.

[@nathanjwriting]

In my opinion, the craziest thing about the whole ordeal was that they were planning to keep the patreon active but NOT give a single patreon member free membership on their new website. According Coffeezilla, they got a 40 percent discount. But everyone else got a 30 percent discount so it was basically a 10 percent discount.

[@leatherDarkhorse]

yeah thats why they losing patreon.

[@harryb12993]

WELL ACKSHUALLLY! Since everyone was on 70% and patreon members were on 60% so its: 70/100 = 1.428571 (recurring) 60 * 1.428571... = 85.7142857142 So its like a 14.3ish % discount.

[@timothymcintire5747]

That is a phenomenally bad business move. I would be surprised if half of their audience doesn't dip within the next 3 months.

[@rwberger6]

"I grew up on youtube, all my heroes were on youtube, I learned to be human from youtube" That is the most depressing and sad thing I have heard all year.

[@timothymcintire5747]

It goes above and beyond any level of sever social anxiety. It is honestly a genuinely pitiful thing to say.

[@shinra4141]

"Oh that's Steven Lim" then the chat's like WHO? 😂😂😂

[@ajrocks44]

No, I'm not following something I casually watched on KZbin to another platform that doesn't already exist.

[@blackstream2572]

Even if their new platform was free I wouldn't follow because I have a hard enough time keeping up with all the creators making videos when they're all on the same site, I'm not really interested in trying to wrangle a bunch of different sites at the same time as well, especially when it's a site for just one creator.

[@mjrausch]

True and Real

[@annienunyabiz6627]

It is wild they have 25 regular employees, and that is somehow not enough and they still need freelancers. Either they have a bunch of people not doing their job or in the wrong job, or they need to scale back on the production enough that the employees can keep up with the work without needing freelancers to pick up the slack. Considering they had I think 17 people credited on their goodbye video alone, I'm guessing they have way too many people pretending to do a job or barely doing anything.

[@_theHUMUNGUS]

>early youtube >2012 Completely clueless. In any case their little walled garden is DOA. No one is actually invested in anything on this garbage platform. You put on a video while doing dishes or folding clothes, it's noise coming from the second monitor, or you just let it pollute your kid's brain all day. Any "youtuber" can just stop making videos and we will all somehow find a way to survive

[@jonahp1127]

My thoughts about most youtubers are like this: “Sure I like your content, but I don’t like it THAT much to the point where I’d pay for a service to watch you only. I watch hundreds of channels of all different content formats and genres, so I won’t really be missing you.” Probably only 5% or less of a KZbinr’s audience are actually big enough fans that they would actually pay for a separate service to watch exclusively their content. They’re probably screwed, or they have to downscale or change their format.

[@Asuraii]

so true.

[@NovemberX]

Same as the case of Ninja left twitch to promote Microsoft streaming site (Mixx?)

[@Distophic]

​@@NovemberXMixer

[@Nico-lx6tg]

Exactly, i don't watch every single video of creators i follow. I just watch a couple of vids from my feed who's title/thumbnail piques my interest. So if they leave YT i won't miss them. I'm guessing this is true for most viewers.

[@dkail08]

That's why most of these guys don't make money. No one is willing to pay for what they offer. Otherwise they'd have more than 15k patreons.

[@johnlinks]

The rich crying poor.... Don't care. Nothing lasts forever. Figure it out

[@jamestomlin5525]

Yep, they should learn to code, as they're so fond of telling other people 😂

[@foxyou3716]

💯 💯 the exact vibe I got. Change and adapt. Don’t cry for more money.

[@turbomunch]

KZbin ego is peak schizo.

[@mythcraft3445]

brother i lived on youtube my entire life and ive never seen or heard a single thing about any of these 3 stooges

[@esense9602]

A single poll in their YT asking if they want them to move to a 3rd party website can change the outcome but looks like greed won.

[@ambientwave1659]

The tone was so manipulative with the sappy piano music. Jeeze wa leeze guys were so sorry we're leaving youtube now pay us a monthly subscription (sad wave to the camera)

[@krisp422]

Thats exactly it lmao especially that part where the one dude was like “And I hope you’ll follow us, one last time” and then tries to start fake crying but cant so he just snaps his head away really quick hahahaha

[@yallRweirdAF]

Jeeze wa leeze is crazy bro. It’s geez Louise.

[@timothymcintire5747]

​@yallRweirdAF Okay, I'm going to remember how to spell that. I have heard it a lot but never seen it spelled out.

[@alexjustalexyt1144]

@@yallRweirdAF to be fair, I have never seen it in a written format. Good to know tho

[@sten260]

true, they are betting on the naive and stupid to use their feelings instead of their brains and maybe that's enough to subscribe to their streaming service. Low effort ,but sometimes works

[@Realdrlipschitz]

These 2 used to be a pretty good watch. Their “unsolved” show was the only reason to watch buzzfeed

[@diegogodet1889]

yep soul reason i watched buzzfeed i n the beginning that and the early days of try guys before they went the whole woke route with it putting the guys in dresses etc. the early days they actualy did action packed things like bungee jumping sky diving etc. the good old days.

[@skoldiersoup8409]

Yeah they made buzzfeed. But now they moving thier show to a platform that's paid subscriptions only

[@bonsailup]

That’s basically what majority of their watcher content was

[@jessicaavery1080]

The ghost hunting stuff was pretty hilarious too

[@kamrdpencil2183]

Funny how classic youtubers like filthy frank made bank with 5 dollar ramen and stupid ass videos, but these guys are just something else.

[@eddie5525]

If they manage to make it *valuable* , the ADs *will* find their way back. The ADs *always* find a way back. *ALWAYS*

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

Honestly this entire thing look like a marketing campaign to get people to react to their "apology" despite literally NO ONE knowing who the fuck these people are.

[@_Grango_]

Their buzzfeed unsolved series got 10 to 25 million views a video. I think people know who they are lmao.

[@elderman64]

These "x views in y seconds, bro fell off" comments are getting cringe now

[@gamemail6207]

😛

[@jimmybaker4821]

They were always

[@Kizpact]

They were always cringe, it was just "First" by another name.

[@IcyBlaze616]

Two replies in 5 minutes bro you fell off

[@eezom1993]

They've always been cringe. It was never funny.

[@AdmiralVortex]

Tl;dr they tried to make content that was incompatible with the audience they have. And instead of adjusting their content, they tried to adjust their audience. Fundamentally flawed decision.

[@Franchisco7]

I swear buzzfat employees are some of the most out of touch people ever. They are so caught up in their "creativity" and how popular they are, they forget who their actual market is.

[@pongtre568]

We didn't immigrate from TV to the internet to watch TV all over again. Any creators missing this point, are doomed to fail.

[@DannyGallowsTunes]

This has been a growing trend now with lots of popular KZbinrs. It’s like they’re never satisfied with where they are or what they have. Some of us have been struggling for ages on KZbin, and would like nothing more than just a few thousand subs so we have an audience to share our work with. Meanwhile these dude sit here with a massive fanbase and 12k patreons and they behave like this. It upsets people because they’re so blind to the fact they could have almost nothing like the rest of us, and it makes it feel like they’re not really in it for the joy of making content, it’s just about business. What they’re basically saying is “we live richer lifestyles now because of our success, and we can’t keep living like that because things on KZbin have changed. So please pay us now.” I hardly have 2k subs, but I keep creating because it’s what I love to do. The arrogance is honestly shocking. Learn to appreciate what you have, especially if you have a lot.

[@worldgate989]

I literally couldnt care less than I do now about any youtuber that isn't my close personal friend. Like why would I get worked up about people I don't know? Asmongold could quit today, at the end of this video, and if were all being honest we would have someone new to watch in a week.

[@eddie5525]

Saying things like: "We couldn't have done this without you" is a kick in the balls. It's a way of saying: "You did this, this is all your fault, you are the one to *blame* for this."

[@nakiangoderich3014]

No more like "Thank you for supporting us, now f*** you, pay $6 to watch our content a month."

[@hotrodhunk7389]

Primegans voice "five dollars a month!!!" 5:18 That's why I think it's an insult when people say oh this is such good quality it could be a Netflix show... Most Netflix shows are pretty trash. Maybe they spend a lot of money on production value but the actual concept riding are pretty generic in general. That's the beauty of KZbin. Potentially lower production quality but much higher creativity.

[@NostraDavid2]

ThePrimeagen?

[@TearTheRoof0ff]

Given the apparent gravitas surrounding this, I'm rather surprised that I haven't ever seen or heard of any of these twats or their shows in any form of media whatsoever until today.

[@Phernaldo]

Yeah same here. And from the comments most people haven’t heard of these guys, very weird.

[@F1nnlander]

It just goes to show how big youtube is. There are over 50 000 channels with at least million subscribers. How many of those do you watch? I'm subscribed to around 20-30 of them. I'm aware of maybe 50 other big channels by reputation or by occasionally watching them. Let's round that up and say there are 100 channels that I know about. That's 0,2%

[@Amateracu1991DFFOO]

Ever heard of Buzzfeed?? This ding dongs are just three of the thousand buzzfeed employees who decided to leave and make their own thing.

[@RealDafuh]

they actually made cool content...but got entitled, like many before them.

[@RegularFlyGuy]

They have (at least HAD) a pretty decent audience of very loyal and invested fans. Shane and Ryan’s stuff at buzzfeed was pretty popular at the time. They just thought that people wanted the simple format gone and wanted high quality content. Also they’re over estimated the pull they had for other content. People want more of buzzfeed unsolved, not some random crap.

[@Tommy1977777]

Why do they all look like theyve been assembled in a factory somewhere?

[@mrs.h2725]

They look AI generated. Even their speech and mannerisms are so uncanny valley creepy.

[@spadez8618]

They look like a soy(er) edition of the Diablo 4 Campfire session

[@an3582]

They look like cheap knockoffs of actual youtubers.

[@burtbiggum499]

Thats funny coming from a marine

[@karin5831]

Including their Lego doll hair

[@F1nnlander]

I find it fascinating how so many people are surprised that they've never heard about these guys. Or saying how they can't be that important, since I've never heard of them. KZbin is so massive, that you'd have dedicate your life to watching and studying it to know even 10% of the top channels (meaning those that have over (1 million subscribers) I bet none of us are watching even 0,5% of those creators.

[@kingoglow2186]

You are 100% correct. I would also speculate that a majority of Asmond's viewers focus their lives around video games, and probably watch exclusively 80%+ video game content. That narrow world view doesn't lend itself to something with a scope as large as youtube.

[@Phernaldo]

So the comments feed on Asmon’s screen as well as the comments section here on KZbin one thing is pretty evident, 90% of the people (including myself) have never heard of these guys. Weird.

[@Py-Py-Py]

They're pretty famous in their own domain. Their demographic is pretty distinct from the demographic here.

[@jacob1121]

@@Py-Py-Py Chinese and HAPA demographic?

[@billyturner9930]

What's crazy is there are millions of people who have no idea who Asmon is. KZbin is a reddit type situation where outside of their bubble things don't exist here. I don't watch makeup stuff so the people over there with 10m subs are just people to me too. But games and movies don't work that way. It's almost universally known. Everyone knows Tom cruise and Mario FIXED SPELLING

[@bakedandbeaded]

@@billyturner9930great way of putting it.

[@tomasgonzalez9740]

That's the algorithm working as intended.

[@Seb_Falkor]

I was wondering who these youtubers were/what group they belonged with, but then they started talking about buzzfeed and then I understood why I've never heard of these people before

[@NotLookinGood]

I don't know why but there's a very unsettling feeling when i watch and hear these guys talking, its like watching the vault tec guys from fallout series.

[@bakedandbeaded]

I couldn’t put my finger on it and this is it, it’s so… off? Like, we know they’re real people but if you told me they were ai generated, I wouldn’t question it.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

They're from Buzzfeed. They make content for people who like Buzzfeed. None of their stuff looks remotely interesting and they seem like smug "artists" who sniff their own farts.

[@NotLookinGood]

@@bakedandbeaded yeah i mean how can "I learned humanity from youtube" come from someones mouth? its so dystopian really

[@Ducky-vl7mp]

These guys look like they have no souls

[@Wondul]

no Ukulele in apology. 0/10 apology video.

[@captainramen8315]

ok but can we talk about how painfully MID that $135 pizza looked? like it probably tastes fine (for $135) but what the hell ever happened to ✨presentation✨?

[@yes3858]

People like to pretend low quality is better nowadays, it makes them feel better about their sub-mid lives

[@NostraDavid2]

What's the difference between a pizza and a super pizza? ✨PRESENTATION! ✨

[@theespartanff3188]

These are the kind of guys who sniff their own farts

[@mattmcfly2165]

Such a tearjerker for people I've never heard of or seen before. I've been watching KZbin since 2006.

[@psysahji]

git gud

[@skoldiersoup8409]

You've been on KZbin that long and haven't seen any of Shane or Ryan's videos? Damn

[@anders8204]

But according to those people KZbin was new back in 2012! I miss Ray William Johnson's random-ass content.

[@F1nnlander]

There are over 50 000 channels with over million subscribers, so that isn't really unusual or anything.

[@bakedandbeaded]

@@skoldiersoup8409 Been over 15, never heard of them or watched them either. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@shermancakes457]

They constantly tell us in business school … “invest in what you do best and outsource the rest” in order to keep costs down and quality on point

[@user-eh4vw7px9v]

Some KZbinrs really forget that people watch KZbin channels because it’s free to access. People pay for premium because of the massive scale of content they watch on a monthly basis makes it worthwhile to them. £6 a month for 1 KZbin channel is just not worth it to the vast majority, particularly when that content was already free.

[@TheDomanc]

Dont forget youtube music. For me its good deal to pay for premium and dont use spotyfi. Also i ise it in my smarttv in home so my old people can watch theirs yt shows without ad cancer.

[@mylittlepwnage]

I dont even know who these ppl are and at this point i am too afraid to ask

[@fixylieberus2925]

Its actually funny that they thought we were loyal enough ro support this, Watcher doesn't have enough value for us to follow them, and they're asking $6 for it, For example thats a whole ass family meal in my country, I already pay for Prime and Netflix, and I barely even watch stuff anymore, Im not about to pay $6 for another streaming service for 2 show that I like in their channel lmao

[@BinaryRecoil]

I stopped 60 seconds in. I don't view if they have added "edgy" background music, pretending this is a moviem

[@therealfodder]

I've no idea who this lot are and to be honest for the first 5 minutes I thought it was actually a parody of 'goodbye videos' from big KZbinrs leaving the platform.

[@RegularFlyGuy]

The funniest thing about it is that almost no one cares what Steven Lim does. His videos make a 3rd of the views of Shane and Ryan’s. Edit: Ill add that they deeply misunderstood their audience. Almost like they thought they were idiots. We know you have about 18 employees you dont need and we know you hired them because theyre your friends. We SEE Steven flashing his Tesla and extremely expensive meals. Also their viewers are mostly broke college students and highschoolers. They have no money to fucking pay yet another sub. I can actually afford 6USD a month, its no problem for me at all. Im just not willing to pay for 8 episodes a year from the only show that I like. Im going to pay once when the entire show is out, binge it and then unsub. Im not the only person that is going to do this so how is it even a sustainable business decision?

[@Who-Am-I2Ya]

Tbf me personally, I'd like watching Shane and Ryan's stuff (back when they're active on buzzfeed) but Steve? It's meh... And boring?

[@RegularFlyGuy]

@@Who-Am-I2Yasteven has no charisma. Their podcast is pretty cool but Steven sounds so “hollywood” and its super annoying. He doesnt fit Shane and Ryan’s vibe at all. He thinks hes a big pull for the brand but he really isnt. What he means by “its tough getting advertisers” is that they dont want to pay the same price for his less popular videos than they do for the very popular videos Shane and Ryan do.

[@siliconhawk9293]

who is Steven? i was totally not absorbing any information because it is let's be honest pretty irrelevant. the blonde one, the black hair round face one, or the 3rd one ?

[@knighty8975]

​@@siliconhawk9293 the main host of buzzfeed worth it

[@pridefall3304]

@@siliconhawk9293 the one on the left in the thumbnail

[@JRF32185]

The economy is tight and people like this are just oblivious to that fact. People DO NOT want to pay for another streaming service, and certainly not for one specific show. All of these separate $5-15 dollar a month services add up, and people can't afford it.

[@rhys5958]

They also HAVE to pay exorbitant amounts of money on luxuries guys

[@mityakiselev]

"We're sorry, we didn't consider the poor people"

[@stevechippendale8873]

Is there anything more KZbin than a video starting with a sigh? It’s a genre unto itself.

[@Armagheddon-ux1gx]

I'll die only when Asmon stops making videos

[@gamemail6207]

👹

[@nethbt]

These guys reminded me of the Fine Brothers years back😂😂😂 They Apologized but never recovered

[@VerySaneDr]

I say this as a millennial, I don't understand why tf does everything have to be so emotionally loaded with my generation. FFS, the amount of drama they put into the launch of just another streaming service is beyond lame.

[@SaveTheL0st]

IMO, the biggest problem for them initially is that they were taking content away from people. No one likes stuff being taken away from them. It’s one thing to keep some content free and then make more content behind a paywall, but it’s an entirely different thing to take away content from your audience and say “if you want it back, you have to pay us”. Almost all content creation organizations that I’m aware of have never said “bye to KZbin”. They all kept producing the same content on KZbin then additional content behind a paywall.

[@tombeg]

I can't take seriously someone who says something like "my heroes were from youtube". This is ridiculously pathetic

[@TearTheRoof0ff]

"I learned how to be a human on KZbin" got me good lol.

[@ValeRay2]

wut happened

[@Bollibompa]

Why? Who are your heroes?

[@skjor1989]

whats wrong about that? there is a lot of people who are thankful for asmon who literally save them from themselves from taking their own life, and he is literally their hero.

[@Vidilian]

KZbin is the new television though.

[@kabannoneko]

I think part of the reason why they want to do their own thing and why I think it's not likely for them to partner up with another big entity is because they're afraid of being meddled with creatively. They've said it themselves, it's hard to strike a balance with what they want and what the advertisers want here on KZbin. And also considering that they came from Buzzfeed, which probably also had control over what they were putting out before in stuff like Buzzfeed Unsolved, etc., I think the notion of having their own platform where no one would interfere got them into something like a sugar rush but with creative freedom instead of sugar. And I think this may also be why the tone is off and I find this whole message to the audience sounding insincere. They tell the audience it's for the people who watch them, but it might really just be about what they want. I agree that they really should've just stated their intentions outright and not tried to emotionally appeal to their audience.

[@er_cl]

i said well why dont they just make a patreon and do early access/unedited videos on there, similar to react channels. then i saw charlies video where he said they actually already have like 13,000+ subs on patreon. that is INSANE. that is AT LEAST $75k a month alone just from that (provided every subscriber is on the lowest tier)... for them to say they only make revenue through youtube, and they *need* the extra $6 a month to keep themselves going is so blatantly dishonest, scummy and greedy

[@MJ-vv7ys]

It sounds high with quick math but i assume they have like 20+ people on their payroll. Could explain the desperation for new revenue if existing starting to shrink

[@Daniel-ii5mh]

I mean, if you watch the last part of Asmon video, he probably nailed the reason on why they are doing that, they probably don't make enough to pay 25 staff member, pay for production, going on plane, renting the place, and keep up on the quality of the content with just that. They just need to rethink their business strategy and don't dump their debt on the customer who watch their content for free.

[@er_cl]

@@Daniel-ii5mh i wrote this comment when i was like 15 minutes into the video haha didn't realise he was gonna say pretty much the same thing + whip out the calculator

[@TheFirstSky]

The piano was annoying, like its sentimental show for boomers.

[@sliphere011]

.... Who are these guys?....

[@MrToastOmnomnom]

That's what I'm saying. Never seen these guys before

[@David_randomnumber]

Did you just assumed their gender?

[@funklestiltskin6140]

The fact that people are so quick to forgive is actually concerning to me. When will people learn that folks who do stuff like this are never actually sorry for anything other than getting caught and called out.

[@williambarnes5023]

Democrats still exist, so... never?

[@M_k-zi3tn]

umm so when should people forgive?

[@williambarnes5023]

@@M_k-zi3tn When the reparations given for the harm is twice the value of the harm. For example, if someone steals $400 from you, they have to give $801 back to be forgiven. That way, you get your $400 back, and you still come out ahead even if they betray you and steal $400 again. Or when the source of harm has been altered in such a way that they cannot repeat it. For example, they used to cut the hands off thieves, so the thief couldn't steal. And then the thief was forgiven, because there was no longer a need for the grudge.

[@15DEAN1995]

I have 2 streaming services I pay for every year and the thought of any more than that makes me want to cancel them all. I can't imagine a steaming service for one single product that just seems like money waste when you look at the value other can offer.

[@skoldiersoup8409]

They are Ryan and Shane they had a really good ghost hunting series i watched from thier time on buzzfeed and then when they made watcher. But i dont like that they are moving to a service that can only be viewed via paid subscription.

[@nTrylo]

Corridor Crew is a perfect example of a team that effectively exists on youtube.

[@vessela7484]

oh man that guy's squeaky uncertain "yeah?" when they asked if he's excited to work with Steven again 😅

[@iDriveAhondaCivic]

Imagine if every content creator started doing this. There would be so many subscriptions. That is a horrible thing to imagine.

[@downtownhbrown4965]

Asmongold nails it here. When this shaggy-haired dork talks about how he didn't want to lay anyone off who worked "behind the scenes to make Watcher come to life" all I could think was: "I do not give a fuck". I am the consumer of the content. All I want is the product to be good, I don't care about the business behind it and I shouldn't and anyone trying to convince you otherwise is too much in their own feelings.

[@dantediss1]

How long before " Ad Free Watcher " , Becomes... " Only 1 Ad Every 3 Minutes Watcher "

[@heron619]

The reveal of their new streaming service geniunely felt like a out of date april fools prank

[@DendoSupreme]

Genuinely have never been more excited to learn about people ive NEVER heard of before and then immediatley forget them by tomorrow.

[@CR00SWIJK]

Never heard of the watchers lol

[@poonpoon1604]

Not even buzzfeed unsolved? Even I who didn't watch it got it on recommend quite a few time

[@ValeRay2]

you're almost an adult

[@CabbageYe]

​@@ValeRay2i am adult

[@JasonJrake]

@@poonpoon1604as a reference, I spent almost 15 hours a day on KZbin for the past ten years due to being disabled. And I watch a lot of mystery/conspiracy stuff. I’m just learning about these guys today. I only found Asmongold a couple months ago…and found out a few days ago that he’s mostly known as a twitch streamer. KZbin is such a big pond that even the biggest fish are relatively small.

[@F1nnlander]

Most of us are missing over 99% of the big creators (those that have over 1 million subs). KZbin is just that big.

[@skillUnit]

I love how I've literally never heard of these guys and they still thought they could make their own streaming platform lmao

[@squidward8125]

this is a bizarre comment. trainwrecks is substantially less popular/known than these three and he made kick

[@Lfancoes]

They need to learn from Linus and Floatplane

[@chibswhit4863]

TBF KZbinrs are all competing to sell like the same 5 products over and over again. It would be interesting to see if the market was more diverse in that regard conpared to television ads

[@TheFunLuvnCRIMINAL]

They will be back on KZbin in 18 months

[@ThatArmyDood]

Was waiting for the Southpark “im sorry” clip

[@georgebunny1910]

I work in a small company. You have to be lean for the time of drought and agile when work piles on. Each person has multiple responsibilities. A small company with too much bloat can't survive.

[@Quij666777]

I wonder why they didn't just pair with or do the nebula tv model (still drop show on it but a week after on your own service, have exclusive originals on own service)...

[@Jodah175]

didnt know who these guys were until the previous vid. But people dont want to hear that youre taking your content to a paid-for only setting. even content creators ive really like and followed for a few years that have done this, ive stopped following. I get it costs money to produce content, but if youre forcing people to pay to continue watching you, theyre gonna leave.

[@majorocelot5158]

College Humor did this and did it much better with Dropout 1. They still upload to youtube, and offer about 25% of the Dropout content free. 2. They only charged $5 for the subscription

[@KenseiShiro]

I dont think they would've got more money doing that. You have to remember they already got most viewers willing to pay in their patreon, the ad revenue would plumet and the conversion rate from viewers on yt to paid viewers would not be very high. In addition to that how many people would cancel their patreon subscription to switch to the paid viewer subscription? Probably a good amount as well

[@tako-sensei6072]

17:14 I have thought about it from the business perspective when things like this happen, but that is a good point. It is ultimately the responsibility of said business to keep the customers there. No customer is, or should be, responsible for receiving, or creating, a product which they desire. that is the sole purpose of business as a concept, from the consumer perspective. and so when the consumers are unhappy, it is always the fault of the business in question. It doesn't matter what problems they are having, it is ultimately their responsibility.

[@rhys5958]

The best part is how fans come up to us going “hey, wow your content really helped me through a tough time”, and so we’re taking that content and charging you $ for it 😆 I love this sh*t it’s so cringe

[@XGiveMeLibertyX]

Iv been on KZbin since 2007 and never heard of these guys

[@soapydandy]

I once started doing "well" for myself I had a stable job I was finishing community college and that was going to boost my earnings a bit so I started looking into starting a business..... that was the biggest reality check I've ever had I didn't know it was THAT expensive. Friend of mine went to business school basically said to me you gotta plan out to straight up only lose money the first year you're not making a single cent, then maybe after that if you're lucky you can start earning some. My gf at the time had dabbled in e-bay like selling she though she was the shit "we could just rent a spot at the mall and start selling shit" she said. She called a small mall in our area to ask for the rent on a strip and all the costs sent her on a depressive episode that lasted a month. It's not for the faint of heart and unless you're rich you're going into debt when you start a business 100%

[@Bruh-nz8ub]

They said they had initially wanted to work with a TV network or Netflix in some way after leaving buzzfeed but would get turned down iirc, so IMO it seems like they are scaling so fast in an effort to prove those people wrong and it’s biting them now

[@liveBasschannel]

"all righty" that has to be the most unauthentic sound to make when sitting in a chair to film an apology These 3 guys all look like they are running into their 50s trying to be the first to get to 60... "KZbin has never been the perfect fit for us" : thats how you tell the world you over invested in videos that nobody are watching and now trying to get out of the hole you dug... Heres what I'll pay for a service like that : 25 cent a month or 85 cents for a year... so theyre apologizing but they are not saying they are not going to do it

[@JoeBlow-fp5ng]

"I learned how to be a human on KZbin." WHAT?

[@JustinM294]

These guys put out one of the best ID shows of all time. Incredibly underrated. Buzzfeed Unsolved was EXCELLENT and the follow up ghost show (Can't remember the name) was hilarious.

[@austiniscoolduh]

I feel like a lot of KZbinrs these days think that just because they put in a lot of effort, that the content should do well. It doesnt work like that...

[@CeraphineLuna]

I like the music that tells me when I'm supposed to be sad or happy, that said idk who this trio is. Edit: oh, because they're from buzzfeed

[@dazzauk8334]

" I learned how to be human because of youtube" oh dear😂

[@RestlessAmbitionsVlogs]

If hipsters had a hipster tournament they would win the entire championship.

[@Gunnumn]

One of the big problems with up incoming youtubers is "clout chasing". You might get good traction at first, but not having an identity to your brand will cause your creativity to lose altitude. Thats why i recommend making videos that best express you, and your interests. KZbin in general is a 10 year journey. Its hard to commit to something for 10 years which is why many channels fizzle out. Creativity is the seed and youtube is the garden, it all depends on how often you tend your channel.