Who is the Man of Sin in 2 Thessalonians 2 | S2E20 - The Authentic Christian Podcast

[@BrnAgn-ty7ri]

This show just keeps getting better. Thank y'all for everything you do for His Kingdom.

[@dsvet]

It's important to discuss this and it's false doctrine. Not only does it lead souls astray it also drives our foreign policy for some especially with our loyalty to the defense of Israel.

[@thetexastradesmenmorningsh2969]

Awesome

[@heytucker]

🙌

[@kylec8950]

It's obviously the High Priest in the first century. The man of the Law became a man of lawlessness.

[@JPROJECT1980]

Of course verse 8 was talking about his 2nd coming. That day is always referring to the day of the lord.. he comes as thief to those who are not prepared or watching.

[@PeterGoeman]

By some divine miracle, the clock in the background does not move during the recording of this episode.

[@dsvet]

Dead batteries are not a divine miracle.

[@MultiRm]

7:38 -8:00 hold on, “well the ONLY thing you actually need to teach the Christian’s “ … really??? Hold on what Version are you ready??? If you read the text for what it actually says is you are not to go beyond, greater, further. All three of these words limit the teaching yes but do NOT disallow for the teaching of things under such Laws. For instance Is circumcision of the flesh a law that goes beyond, further, greater then asking someone to not eat blood, not fornicate, not work on the Sabbath? If the Christian’s are only to fallow the 4 commands of Acts 15 then what is the use of all the other Bible?

[@rll1954]

The “temple” is not a reference to the Jewish house of worship. The Greek word is naos, used by Paul eight times. Never does he employ this term of the Jewish temple. In fact, after the death of Christ, the Jewish temple is never again called the temple of God (Newton, p. 441). Rather it is used of the Christian’s body (1 Cor. 6:19) or of the church as God’s spiritual house (1 Cor. 3:16, 17; Eph. 2:21). - Wayne Jackson. Could the "temple" be figurative here? Possibly.

[@larrymcclain8874]

Actually the term "temple" here is better translated as "shrine."

[@dsvet]

1Co 6:19 What?G2228 knowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 yourG5216 bodyG4983 isG2076 the templeG3485 of theG3588 HolyG40 GhostG4151 which is inG1722 you,G5213 whichG3739 ye haveG2192 ofG575 God,G2316 andG2532 ye areG2075 notG3756 your own?G1438 ναός naos Thayer Definition: 1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice 2) any heathen temple or shrine 3) metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ Part of Speech: noun masculine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a primary naio (to dwell)

[@saludanite]

Need to spend some time in Deuteronomy 28-30, prophecy for the Jewish nation. All the players are there, easily recognizable.

[@larrymcclain8874]

Most of the persecution of Christians in the first century came about from the Jews, beginning with Stephen. The Romans really didn't get into "full swing," until the second and third centuries. Even in Acts 16 in Philippi, the authorities were apologetic, when they realized that they had beaten Roman citizens. A careful study of Acts will reveal just how persistent the Jews were in their attempts to eradicate, in their minds these "heretics."

[@jgard6280]

Thank you so much for your videos! One thing I have been thinking about...Jesus is only coming as a thief in the night to those who are asleep (in darkness). He will NOT come as a thief to those who are awake (1 Thessalonians 5:1-8). That is very encouraging to those who are awake! 🕯 To say that everyone will be shocked by His second coming...that He is coming as a thief in the night to all people, is not accurate.❤

[@shaynebrady3646]

It is, 1 Thess. 4:15-18-For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. The entire chapter of Matthew 25 Talks a bit those who were not ready. 2 Peter 3:10-11-But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

[@jgard6280]

@@shaynebrady3646 I really appreciate your reply! Yes, those other verses say He is coming as a thief...but just like we should consider all verses on any given subject in order to get the full picture of His thoughts on a matter, I'm thinking we should do the same on this topic, as well. For example: each telling of Peter cutting off the servant's ear in the garden tells us a little more of what happened. When we put all the accounts together, we learn many details of what happened and who was involved. If we only read one account, we lose much info. The same with the topic of salvation. We have to put all of God's thoughts together in order to know how to obey the Gospel. Regarding the topic of His return...I Thessalonians 5:1-8 (especially verses 4 and 5) cleary say He is only coming like a thief in the night for those who are in darkness. When those verses you mentioned are added to the ones I mentioned, we get a more full image of His thoughts on the matter. And that full image gives me great comfort as a child of God and encourages me to continue to "walk in the light as He is in the light." ❤

[@shaynebrady3646]

I really appreciate yours as well. I will post a video on my channel about this subject if you’d like to watch

[@shaynebrady3646]

Okay, so I completely agree that Christians, won’t be punished(if we have obeyed the gospel and put Christ on in baptism, and remain faithful) it’s just the fact we don’t know when he is coming. He could come in 30 minutes, tomorrow so the idea as a thief i think is just that he won’t leave signs obviously for me that day should be a great day but for an unsaved unfaithful Christian it will be a sad day.

[@jgard6280]

@@shaynebrady3646 Thank you, that would be great. 👍

[@calledisrael434]

Satan's servants try to obliterate below the Lord's spirits enlightenment....Shalom .

[@sudheerKumar-sx2lb]

Dear Brothers in Christ Speak english that every word spelled can be understood clearly over all the Churches of Christ around the world in order to learn the Truth. Pronunciation cant be an abstacle to any1, ofcourse it's our problem but we indians either r interested. It's a request

[@dsvet]

Maybe you could ask for the transcript and translate to Hindi. This might be a mission for you no?

[@berglen100]

You think its better when its funny when you use I AM not realizing what it means, Your funny, classic first Adam. God and his name is I AM! When you point to another as an authority in your world, you are transferring the power that belongs to God to an idol. Now, if you call for anything with the name of God, and his name is I AM, and you say I AM . . are you not your own maker? God is, for I AM! I kill and I make alive, I wound and I heal. I create the light and I form the darkness and besides me there is no other God. Whatever I want, I must assume the full responsibility for it. If I want to conjure health and the doctors tell me I cannot overcome my illness and I believe them, I have made my choice and must accept the responsibility for it. But if I dare to assume health, God is proclaiming it, for he has no name other than I AM! This is the grand revelation found in the third chapter, the 14th verse, of Exodus. “Go and tell them `I AM has sent me to you.’ “Whatever you declare, is; for God’s name is any form of the verb to be, whether it is I AM, I was, or I will be.

[@larrymcclain8874]

IMO the "Man of Sin" must be Nero. The persecution of Christians by Domition, according to more recent scholars, suggests that this was overstated. Even his praetor, Pliny the Younger, in his discussion with Trajan stated that he had never up to that point, witnessed a trial of Christians. Nero's persecution in Rome, on the other hand is well documented.

[@wrongfullyaccused7139]

Larry; Dead wrong and utterly unscriptural. The man of sin is ALSO the son of perdition. period.

[@wrongfullyaccused7139]

@@kinglistosas5010 ; Far more simpler than that. Jesus told us his name.

[@walterlahaye2128]

Let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition: 4 Who opposeth and exalteh himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God. “Or as God’s representative here upon the earth.” (I l THESSALONIANS 2) And I stood upon the the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, , and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. “The Caesars.” (REVELATION 13:1) That mark was dispensed upon the Jewish nation throughout Judea in A.D. 67 to 70, with the abomination of desolation. Human history tells us that within forty years after Jesus made this prophecy, it was fulfilled to the letter. Our principal source of this is the famous Jewish Historian “Josephus.” Emperor of Rome, “Emperor Vespasian” and his son Titus, after a three year seige, completely destroyed Jerusalem, burned the temple and brought to an end the Jewish economy. Thousands of unbelieving Jews were killed, but the Christians escaped from that terrible desolation and destruction. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. “Healed in the popes of Rome.” 11 And l beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. After the fall of Rome gave death to the Caesars in A.D. 476, within a century later in 533 to 536, the image of the beast was dispensed to the great falling away of the New Testament church that fell to catholicism. The dark ages, or “volcanic winters” thus began in 536 lasting until the fall of the final piece of the Roman Empire which were the legs of Constantinople “the eastern empire” on May 29, 1453 when the Turks sacked Constantinople, the first time gun powder was ever utilized on a large scale. For a thousand years, the Bible was a closed Book. The catholic church closed it in a dead language. People were burned at the stake for no other crime than simply the owning of a Bible. In the first place, if they had one, it was a crime. It was housed in a dead language “Latin” that the people did not understand. The people were illiterate. For a thousand years, they could not read and write!

[@walterlahaye2128]

In conclusion: The Pope of Rome is the man of sin! In 1796, God killed the popes of Rome, as HE did the Caesars in 476!

[@walterlahaye2128]

The Dark Ages are synonymous with the devil’s millennium!

[@wrongfullyaccused7139]

Walter; Many words saying nothing.

[@brandonmckown9952]

The man of sin, who and what is He? I can help explain this. So why is He called the man of sin? Take a look at this. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over(BF) to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,(BG) 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;(BH) 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love,(BI) no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,(BJ) they not only continue to do these very things but also approve(BK) of those who practice them. The Antichrist or "man of sin" is a reprobate. A reprobate is someone who was baptized by God but fell away to apostasy and then went back to a life of sin. They then harden their hearts into unbelief so God hands them over to a reprobate mind. So we answered what is the man of sin, but who is He? He will be a born again Christian that falls to apostasy. He will come from within the Church and He will be raised by God. 15 And the Lord said to me, “Next, take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. 16 For indeed I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for those who are cut off, nor seek the young, nor heal those that are broken, nor feed those that still stand. But he will eat the flesh of the fat and tear their hooves in pieces. 17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd, Who leaves the flock! A sword shall be against his arm And against his right eye; His arm shall completely wither, And his right eye shall be totally blinded.” The restrainer is God. When we're born again, God lives within our hearts, He stays with us until we die or we become reprobates. "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" And you know what is holding him back, for he can be revealed only when his time comes.

[@wrongfullyaccused7139]

Brandon; Way wrong conclusion. It is so easy and is laid out so clearly in the Bible that it is hard to understand how you could get it so wrong.

[@phalanxrazorz4863]

Welp the elite literally believe Prince William Arthur is the fabled return of Arthur Pendragon. This is why Diana is deified, it's also why they are called roundtable groups. King Arthur is the once and future king/beast and son of the dragon.

[@lindsaymarksmith2677]

Trump = Daniel 11 19. Biden = Daniel 11 20. Obama = Daniel 11 21. It is Revelation 17:10-11 KJV Trump=6th Biden=7th Obama=8th & of the 7 the 5th head and the 8th. I keep warning what the Holy Spirit said to me after I humbled my self even if it falls on deaf ears. This is not an opinion or interpretation the Holy Spirit said this him self after I humbled my self after what happened to my mum and dad believing as a child trusting God fully like a child does a parent and that small still voice the Holy Spirit answered me. Comment for the full post I cant post it 1st or YT will hide it. I need a comment to post it on so it can be seen.

[@shaynebrady3646]

The Holy Spirit speaks through the word of God alone

[@lindsaymarksmith2677]

@@shaynebrady3646 When you have a warning of things to come soon in the spirit from the Holy Spirit as a watchman you have to sound the alarm. Obama is the man of sin and is the 8th and of the 7, Daniel 11:21 and Revelation 17:11. Trump is the 6th and is the king that is and he is turning his face towards the fort of his own land and shall stumble and fall and not be found, Daniel 11:19 and Revelation 17:10. Biden is the 7th and shall only be in power a short time and will be known as a raiser of taxes, Daniel 11:20 and Revelation 17:10 he must continue a short space. This came to me in the spirit from the Holy Spirit when asking for discernment about Revelation 17:10-11 KJV in June 2020. I have tested the spirit and it is the Holy Spirit he has done so much in my life bringing me from the world and to Jesus and this is what the Holy Spirit said to me in my spirit when I came and asked God believing like a child trusts a parent fully and without question and in humbleness. Revelation 17:10-11 KJV And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Donald Trump was the sixth king the "one is". And Trump is at the point in Daniel 11 19. Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. The other not yet come and is in for a short space is Joe Biden that is the raiser of taxes from Daniel 11 20. Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Barack Obama is the eighth and he was of the previous kings before him and he is the person in Daniel 11 21. And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Obama is that man of sin and this isn't my opinion or understanding I didn't even consider him I am just saying what came to me when I asked for discernment we will see the next USA president raise taxes and only in a short time. Obama will not be voted in "they shall not give the honour of the kingdom" but talk his way back into power "but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.". Also people say but there are so many presidents how is Trump the 6th and I have said all I know is what I got in the spirit then I said to someone Ronald Reagan was the 1st to bring in noahide laws. Ronald Reagan was the 1st president to sign a proclamation 4921 saying that the noahide laws are the moral foundation of America's character, that the Noahide Laws are a moral code for all regardless of faith, and from that time all have signed these into law. If you count from Reagan to Trump then Trump is the 6th. Also Revelation 17:10 is meant to be known when it happens because it says "and one is" and that is present tense so that prophecy is to be known when the 6th leader is in power why else would Jesus give to John to use present tense in prophecy. The Holy Spirit said the one after Trump will be used by Obama to get back into power with flatteries and not being voted back into power. I do not know how this happens I am just saying what I got from the Holy Spirit. But there is one thing I seen recently. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announcing legislation that would create a commission to allow Congress to intervene under the amendment and remove the president from executive duties. She said this is not for Trump but for presidents after Trump that are mentally or physically impaired. With this they can move power from a president that is not able to perform there duties and move it to another that is not the VP. This came to me in the spirit from the Holy Spirit and I have had other things happen in my life that I know was from the Holy Spirit. This is not my opinion or from my understanding I did not consider Obama before this or have him in mind and when I had this come to me I didn't even want to share it at 1st because I know what people are like. But when you see danger you must say and this is a warning of what is coming soon. Believe or don't but at least remember because it is coming soon and when you see know time is very short and we all need Jesus and he is coming. The "virus" looks like it is the strong delusion in all the world and something like that cant happen unless the restrainer is taken away from holding the evil back. I am saying this now as a warning of what is coming not even so I am believed but so when it happens people will know that it is true and if they are not saved will turn to Jesus and to everyone else will warn others that we are at the door and look at Daniel 7:25 "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." The head that has a deadly wound is of the beast kingdom not the actual person. The 5th head that is Obama was and was in power as long as he should and should never be a head/leader/president again. it says "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death" That doesn't say the head was wounded it is saying it was like it was wounded "as it were" That wound is the fact the head cant have power again but that 5th head that is Obama when he gets power back is the deadly wound being healed and he becomes the 8th and of the 7. Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." Daniel 11:33-35 "And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.". The man of sin will have his time and he will overcome the believers and we that truly believe in Jesus are to be sheep to the slaughter and we need to no mater what happens stand for Jesus and not fall away. All heads accepted the Noahide laws from that small people that say they are the light of the world but reject Jesus with Reagan as the 1st making him the 1st head. 1st head Ronald Reagan, 2nd head George Bush, 3rd head Bill Clinton, 4th head George W. Bush, 5th head Barack Obama, 6th head Donald J. Trump, 7th head only in power a short time is Joseph R. Biden and the 8th head the last ever USA president is also the 5th head and of the 7 Barack Obama. This is what the Holy Spirit gave to me after what happened to my mum and dad last year. I said at the start of the 1st lockdown with words that where not my own they would not last the lockdown I have had things come out my mouth from no place then happen since I was a child and other things and after they passed on I humbled my self asked God what I did and the Holy Spirit that small still voice answered me and said what he did and I was in shock. What he said is not from me I didn't think any of this before hand I am not an American and I don't care about politics but this is what he gave me and is not an opinion or interpretation. Obama will use Biden to talk his way back into power with flatteries and Obama having two terms made that like a deadly wound to that position of power he should not be a head/leader of the USA beast again but will be and when he does that is the deadly wound healed and the fifth seal will be opened and the trumpets will sound soon after.

[@lindsaymarksmith2677]

@@shaynebrady3646 And how did we get the bible you think there was not people that the Holy Spirit worked in to bring the Word to them are you insane. 2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. All interstation is from the Holy Spirit all of it not men but he works in men to do it but you said he doesn't you called Peter a lair.

[@lindsaymarksmith2677]

@@shaynebrady3646 I had a narrow path experience when I was younger. I was walking home at night and looked up the road to my home and seen a gang of people. I seen in what I can only think was a vision that they where going to surround me and beat and kick me. So I looked and thought well there is the road on the left and right it would be longer but it is easier paths and I heard in my self a small still voice say if I did it would be worse for me and felt it would just be more pain but I could die if I did. So I said to my friend that was with me when we walk up this strait road to my home there people will surround me and said to him when they do he has to run to my home and tell my father. So we walked up and the surrounded me and my friend ran and they beat me and kicked me all over the pavement and into the middle of the road. But in the end my father came and the people ran off and he helped me back to my home. And I could not see at the time the prophetic meaning in all this. Going up the strait and narrow path if you stumble I will come and help you and not to turn to the left or right path because they are easier and will lead to death but I thank God for that day because it showed me he can use hard things for his good it changed me over time to seek him and I seen the message. So I thank God every day for his love and patience. After the lockdown in the UK stated I said an odd thing to my ex that my mum and dad would not last the lockdown. My mum and dad where okay and I was talking to my dad again I said an odd thing the last two times I talked to him that he had to turn the other cheek and forgive others before he "passes on" my dad said not to preach to him he would not listen and had bitterness for my ex partner. Then my mum got ill and went into hospital then when my mum was getting better he got ill and had to go into hospital. Then he died on the 10th of April then resurrection Sunday was on the 12th and then my mum died on the 14th all over Passover. I am still trying to deal with that with all the madness from the so called "virus". Point is I was saying thing from no place and this is not the 1st time it happened in my life. When I was 15 my dad told me to go to the shops so okay that should be okay I did that loads of times before the shop was right over the road to where we lived. This time I stopped and said to him out my mouth from no place if I go out I will be bottled. This went on a bit my dad didn't listen and I went out to the hop and coming back a group of guys got in front of me and one from behind me bottled me overt he head and I ran home. Now I have had times like that a couple of times just saying thing from no place and it happened. I had a dream once of a car crash where I lived as a child I seen a school and the shops next to it and flats. it disturbed me not like any dream I had and 3 days later a family member died in a car crash where I dreamed it happened. I am not saying any of this to puff my self up because I am not and it is hard talking about some of this but these thing I know was from the Holy Spirit not from me and turned me to Jesus and I just don't want people to be blind to what is coming. I was in a bad relationship my ex was paranoid would get physically and verbally violent if I seen any woman be it on TV or outside so I stopped watching TV haven't watched it since 2001 and I stopped even going out side because every time I did she would think I was looking at women it wasn't easy but I loved her and wanted to show her that well it didn't word it wasn't as bad but she still found excuses to get mad. So after about 13 years of this I couldn't take any more I was on my last strew and it says God will only give you what you can handle so I asked on my face in absolute faith for help. If I left my ex she would use my kids as weapons against me say I ran away and so on and I couldn't have my kids be used that way and knew the only thing that would set me free was if I found she was doing things behind my back so I asked God to set me free. Three days later my ex came up into the room and I said to her out of no place I know what you been doing on facebook. Now I don't know where that came from because I didn't have any idea at all but her face turned white and I was like what she did something. Then she said well you know now then we are over and she said that she was chatting another man up over facebook so I got what I prayed for a way out it wasn't nice and hard but I got free of a bad relationship and my kids where not used as weapons. When I eventually had a place to go and was going out I stopped and said to her from no place again she will never have another child. She is the type of woman that loves having babies and from that time on she has tried a lot but ever time she has miscarried. So this is just some of the thing but I will put the one that started to change me and turn me from the world and on the road to Jesus now. Coming to Jesus on my face after over 20 years of being in bondage to addition just like with my ex coming to Jesus in belief like a child trusting a parent in humbleness, meekness and tears truly believing fully on Jesus and not my self asking to be free from the bondage of addiction and then having that addiction just lifted off me with no withdrawals nothing just gone wasn't my power not believing on my self or trying to do strange things to make my self give it up. All I had to do was truly believe and have faith like a child in a parent and it is hard to get to that point as an adult but if you can and let all go and truly believe and trust Jesus fully he can do anything.

[@lindsaymarksmith2677]

@@shaynebrady3646 See you are religions having religion of man and no relationship with Jesus if you did you would have the Holy Spirit and be born again and know what he said was true having discernment from the Holy Spirit but you have none.