The Man of Sin | Douglas Wilson

[@systemrevolt7309]

This was so very helpful. This is the one that always trips myself and others up. Thank you.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

The identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition" (2 Thes. 2:3-4) shouldn't be that difficult to understand, as long as we know the prophetic timeline given in Dan. 2 and 7. Doug Wilson touched on the truth of the interpretation of the "man of sin, son of perdition," but he then rejected the truth with his nonsense. Doug Wilson's HIGH Preterism is totally blinding his eyes to the truth of Bible prophecy. Sad to see, really. Still, *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@Th3BigBoy]

@@ryangallmeier6647 You tell me more please. What is the truth? I have had many theories over the years but now have arrived at a place of uncertainty. It's really frustrating sometimes. I wish I knew!

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@@Th3BigBoy 1). The "man of sin/lawlessness, son of perdition/destruction" (2 Thes. 2) is the same entity as the "little horn" (Dan. 7). It is also the same entity as the "sea beast" (Rev. 13:1-10), and the "scarlet harlot" (Rev. 17). Christians should be united on this. If there are any Christians who do NOT agree that all these depictions are the same entity, then we will need to address that. 2). Dan. 2 and 7 give us a prophetic timeline of events to occur from Daniel's time, all the way up to the 2nd Advent of Christ and beyond. Dan. 7 is the same prophetic timeline as Dan. 2; however, in Dan. 7, we see the first mention of that which Christians have referred to as, "The Antichrist". Though this entity is not called, "the antichrist" in Dan. 7; rather, it is referred to as, the "little horn". It continues for "a time, times, and half a time". This is arguably the most important time-specific prophecy in all of Scripture. It is mentioned 7 TIMES in Scripture: twice in the book of Daniel, and 5 TIMES in the book of Revelation (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; Rev. 13:5). Preterists view this as a LITERAL 3.5 years (1,260 days/42 months/"time, times, half a time"), and claim this occurred in the distant past, and has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D. Futurists view this as a LITERAL 3.5 years, and claim that this time prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Both Preterism and Futurism can be traced back to the "Counter-Reformation," led by the Jesuits (Militant, Papal defenders). The Jesuit scholar, Luis de Alcasar was the first systematizer of the Preterist school of prophetic interpretation. The Jesuit scholar, Francisco Ribera (later followed by Robert Bellarmine, S.J.) was the first systematizer of the Futurist school. The Reformers were teaching the CORRECT method of interpretation regarding God's prophetic Word: Historicism. They were also correct in their identification of the Antichrist. Historicism teaches that the 1,260 days/42 months/"time, times, half a time" are to be interpreted using the day=year principle (cf. Num. 14:34, and Eze. 4:6 for biblical precedent in using the day=year principle). That is, the Antichrist rose to power shortly after the time of the Fall of the Roman Empire in 476 A.D. The Antichrist gained in power and ruled for 1,260 literal YEARS before receiving a "deadly wound" in the latter part of the 18th century. The "deadly wound" has been healing ever since (cf. Rev. 13:1-10). Now, the "earth beast" (Rev. 13:11-17) holds sway over the world, and will eventually enforce, BY LAW, the "mark" of the "sea beast/Antichrist". And we can, and should know the identity of the "earth beast" (Rev. 13:11-17). I have a few videos on this you might wanna check out. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@OC3707]

A rebuilt Jewish temple would by definition be a denial of the finished work of Christ. I don't understand how dispensationalists don't see that.

[@mjack3521]

There is nothing the devil does that the King is not sovereign over.

[@nkbc5819]

Great sermon! Hard to find teaching on this chapter. Also very inspired by the call to preach the truth of the Gospel near the end of the sermon.

[@tonyshumway7652]

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[@thisgeneration2894]

I'm not full, but the gathering happens in Matthew 24 too..

[@edwinalarcon2832]

Where?

[@michaelmatejka1068]

@@edwinalarcon2832Matthew 24:31

[@rodneyanderson2600]

Amen I thought I was listening to a Freewill Baptist especially the last 10 minutes

[@trevino37]

The term "OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM" was in reference to all those who fled Jerusalem due to the warning Jesus gave the disciples in Matthews 24. When they saw the city surrounded by the army, it was time to flee the city and not look back to return. The Christian Jews all fled and gathered together to Him in another location because the temple they normally gathered in was to be destroyed. In addition, 2 thessa 2:6-7 is clear that the Christians already knew what was being restrained in verse 6 and th term "MYSTERY OF LAWLESSONE IS ALREADY AT WORK" are two verses that are in their present time and not far off into the future. These things were to take place in the first century and would make most sense. the whole chapter is in their present time and near future,

[@unkown312]

Thanks brother Doug.

[@BenTrotterNZ]

Praise the LORD JESUS!!

[@mjack3521]

This was written before the temple was destroyed

[@toddstevens9667]

Is that important? Does that mean you agree? Or that you disagree? These debates are really very confusing to me.

[@michaelmatejka1068]

@@toddstevens9667it would mean that he believes it’s been fulfilled in 70 ad I’m not sure what I believe on this chapter yet I agree on Doug’s point in rev. 20:3, but I’m unsure if this chapter is referring to that. I gotta look into it more

[@toddstevens9667]

@@michaelmatejka1068 Subsequent to my comment I did some research. Very few scholars actually think it was written before 70AD. Some theological perspectives insist that had to be for their system to work out, but there’s really no evidence to suggest that the traditional date of mid to late 90s is wrong.

[@markmelnichuk5556]

​@toddstevens9667 listen to Kenneth gentry talk about the dating and the evidence to support it being written before 70 a.d . Or read the book " before Jerusalem fell" . Interesting work

[@naiztaufonz1604]

i believe kenneth gentry has a more plausible explanation on this. love doug wilson but alot of assumptions

[@timmartin5987]

Gentry places the Thessalonian text as fulfilled in the 1st century. Doug sees the clear connection between the Thessalonian text to the end of the millennium and fulfillment of Revelation 20. Thus, Gentry's view combined with Doug's teaching promotes full preterism. And they wonder why full preterism continued to grow! They are promoting full preterism whether they understand it or not.

[@toddstevens9667]

Every interpretation of this text makes lots of assumptions. Sort of necessary without more specific details in the text.

[@unkown312]

​@@toddstevens9667exactly. No one has a clear understanding of it.

[@OLThomas-y9j]

Amazing ! And, your Church of Christ is in Moscow ...

[@FrankenJhingx]

Come to Christ!!!

[@OC3707]

Apostasy could also be translated as rebellion or revolt. What happened prior to 70AD?

[@larrytruelove8659]

The temple was destroyed. The Jews revolted earlier than that. And there was civil unrest all over the empire.

[@DAsiebert]

@ 24:30 he starts in and explains why God sends a strong delusion

[@OLThomas-y9j]

Pastor Doug , it was only 2 days ago on God's Time that Jesus was here ! Just thought I would throw that out . When did you first start to put it together for somehow I just learned of you today !

[@godstruth7859]

😢 you explained the Roman Catholic system why can't the people of God see this 1. Changed Gods law 2. Claim to forgive sin 3. Worship Sun 4. Unholy Eucharist 5. Worship the dead

[@codystanfield6243]

I became a Post Mil for 2 months. It was an amazing joyful experience. But, 2 Thessalonians completely dismantles Post Mil in my opinion. We have to do what the Bible says. Unfortunately, Pre-Mil is probably the truth ( I only say unfortunately because of the Anti Christ) I hope and pray I'm wrong 🙏❤️

[@luciatomass9439]

Helo i have a question is the lawless one. Has a man soul is he a human or a demon

[@joshj3662]

30:55 Summary.

[@jonathonstrefling6541]

Here is Ken Gentry's slightly different (still postmil) take, who takes this as all happening in that generation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TOZYagp7aNe9k

[@billhesford6098]

Yeah the readers of the letter would think it was them. I think that was the generation.

[@jacobmatthews1143]

The man of sin will not be revealed to everyone many will be deceived into worshipping him as god

[@madalenasimoes8066]

They have been since the fall of ancient Rome

[@melesau1349]

Pls pastor,,who is that HE refers to in verse 7 is that the church or the Holy Spirit,,,

[@madalenasimoes8066]

The Roman Empire. Tertulian prayed to God to keep the Caesars longer to delay who was coming after their fall, even though they persecuted the church. He knew that the power that was to come after the fall of the Roman Empire would be the wicked that would kill even more. And it certainly did. It killed over 53 millions of Christ’s saints. Watch Karl Tester KZbin channel and joggler66. They do NOT have any denominations. These men that teach these absurd fables are wolves in sheep’ skin.

[@toddstevens9667]

No way to know since the text does not say. It would just be a guess. Coming up with answers to who the HE is like a little cottage industry. I think I’ve heard at least 6 different speculations to that question. Your guess is probably as good or better than Doug’s.

[@Ponce.De.Lejeune]

👹 I AM GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY. I HAVE ARRIVED IN ORDER TO BRING JUSTICE. VENGEANCE RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO ME. I AM THE CHRIST ❤️‍🔥

[@reyburchill1423]

Great sermon! Just a quick question: If the devil is being released at the end of the 1,000 years and Christ kills the lawless one, how can he sit at the right hand of God until God has made all his enemies a footstool under his feet? In other words: who will destroy the enemy at the end, Jesus or God the father?

[@robertmcdonell831]

That's a good question! The timeline that makes the most sense to me is that after the "Thousand-Year" rain, Satan is Unbound for a short time. (Revelation 20:3). During this final dust-up when he deceives the nation's one last time, that man of sin is revealed (Revelation 20:7 and following). The man of sin is not to be confused with the beast or the false prophet in Revelation, which refer to the wicked Roman Empire and its leaders during the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the judaic system that rejected Jesus as the Messiah

[@godstruth7859]

The Roman Catholic system Led by the Popes of Rome is the only church and state power that fulfill Revelation 14-18 and Daniel 8-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2

[@deweyfosworth7833]

And ALL Christianity has built their house just down the beach from the Pope.

[@godstruth7859]

@@deweyfosworth7833 it part of prophecy that's why you know God's word is true. He tells us before it happens. Trust the word of God only and it will keep you safe from snares of Satan and ungodly individuals. God bless stay faithful Jesus is coming soon.

[@jopicker6534]

So do Postlmils need the Temple to be rebuilt?

[@toddstevens9667]

That’s a great question. I wondered the same thing.

[@isaacmaue-tg7kl]

No. There is no writing of a third physical temple in the Bible.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@isaacmaue-tg7kl I assume you mean other than here in 2 Thessalonians 2.

[@isaacmaue-tg7kl]

@@toddstevens9667 No. That passage does not say that there will be a third physical temple. You just assume it must mean that because of your preconceived eschatology.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@isaacmaue-tg7kl And vice-versa, you think it doesn’t because your theology says it can’t mean that. 😜

[@evantheorthodox740]

I fail to see how Wilson has a preterist interpretation of The Beast/ as Nero, and the system of Antichrist/ Cerinthus and his followers (which I fully agree with),,, and yet he has a futuristic interpretation of this Man of Lawlessness, who Paul says "and you know what restrains him now" Paul knew who he was, as did the original audience....

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

I agree with you. I think this is a pagan temple and Nero. The same as 666 in Revelation.

[@evantheorthodox740]

@@yoshkebenstadapandora1181 the 2nd temple, that was destroyed in one generation... in Jerusalem..

[@samuraichampionz]

The Man Of Sin is The First Horseman on a Horse in Revelations Chapter 6. That man is The First embodiment and incarnation of The AntiChrist.

[@beppiek]

I believe the restrainer is Jesus himself his grace the Holy Spirit will still be active he will be convicting he will be drawing nigh those who will...Michael is going to be battling those angelic beings in the second heaven the ark the days of Noah when God shut that door hope was lost...His Grace meaning He will shut billions of doors

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Dan. 2 & 7 help us to understand Paul's meaning in 2 Thes. 2:1-4. 1). The "restrainer" was the old Roman Empire (cf. Dan. 7, and how the "little horn," aka. the Antichrist, rises up only after the fall of the Roman Empire, which happened in the 5th century A.D. 2). The "man of sin" is said to continue for 1,260 literal YEARS before receiving its deadly wound (Rev. 13:1-10), which has since been healing. 3). The "man f sin" is the SAME ENTITY as the "Antichrist" (1 Jn. 2:18), the "little horn" (Dan. 7), the "sea beast" (Rev. 13:1-10), and the "scarlet harlot" (Rev. 17). Doug doesn't think these are all the same entity; he's obviously wrong.

[@LukeSmith7777]

@@ryangallmeier6647 1) the little horn was Titus 2) Revelation says 1260 days, not years 3) the Harlot is Jerusalem

[@pj_ytmt-123]

@33:00 Eh, so Presbyterians do not believe in the real presence?? Erroneous doctrine.

[@PatricksLesson]

You must’ve missed the last 500 years of communion debate…

[@pj_ytmt-123]

@@PatricksLesson The "last 500 years" you are referring to can be summed up as "us vs them".

[@huddyhowell6469]

How about CHURCH AND STATE unity. Like how the Jews (church) United with state (Rome) to crucify Christ. Or how the Jews (church) handed Paul over to Rome (state). Paut foresaw the Roman church, the papal power that used the power of the state to persecute and kill Christians. The man of sin is the Pope, whom the church says is vicarius filii dei- a substitute for Christ.

[@jacobmatthews1143]

All over the world, the man of sin is being revealed through the internet but many are missing it and they continue to await his revealing if god is revealing him, its possible that he s in the pulpit pointing men to everything else but him

[@Charles73358]

The man of sin Son of Perdition or the Lawless One whatever you want to call him his name was the Roman Emperor Titus who led the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70Ad and he died 13 September 81 AD Titus desecrated the sacred temple he entered into the holy of holies and poured out the daily blood sacrifices and offerings and brought into the sacred Temple two harlots and had intercourse with them on the Altar over the scroll mocking God with his sword believing he had defeated Almighty God He also did worse than Pompey and Antiochus Epiphany 1V who sacrificed a pig Titus sacrificed a pig an Ox and a Ram in the Temple of God he sat in the Temple of God showing himself that he is God..He next collected all the vessels of the Temple, placed them in a net, and sailed for Rome. After he embarked a violent gale blew, and Titus claimed that God possessed power only over water since He had smitten the generation of the flood and Pharaoh by water. Thereupon the Almighty caused the sea to cease from its raging. When Titus landed, a tiny gnat entered his nose and fed on his brain for seven years, growing in size until it caused his death. When he died, the physicians opened his skull and found a creature resembling a sparrow weighing two selas, or according to another account, a young dove two pounds in weight. Its beak was of brass and its claws of iron. Before his death, Titus commanded that his remains be burnt and scattered over the seven seas so that the God of the Jews would not find him and bring him to trial." This is what 2nd Thessalonians 2: 8 meant 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, Titus father Roman Emperor Vespasian performed the miracles after the working of Satan so Vespasian was really the man of sin and

[@Charles73358]

His son Titus was the Son of Perdition and there is no Antichrist to come the Roman Emperor's were the only ones in the history of the church that proclaimed themselves as God once deceased and then they were defied as God. But because of their arrogance as being a ruler they boasted themselves as Savior And Lord but the Roman Emperor Domitian was the only Emperor who demanded to be worshipped as God while yet alive he was the beast in Revelation 13 with the 2 horns like a Lamb and spoke as a dragon and he exercised all the authority of the first beast whose deadly wound was healed which was the Roman Emperor Nero. In this day in time there are false prophets and preachers and teachers of the Bible who we have to be aware of Amen 🙏!

[@bradsland]

The falling away is an apostasy from the CHRISTIAN faith, not apostate Jewry. There is only ONE man of sin in History and that is the Papacy and his church. The temple in the New Covenant is not the Jewish temple but the ECCLESIA the church 1 cor 6:19. John 4 20-24, eph 2 20-22, The popes did claim to be God, antichrist means ONE who stand in the place of. as well as opposed.. the antigospel was present in the apostles day and came to fruition in the Roman Catholic church. The Popes were CIVIC leaders they owned the papal states and crowned KINGS and excommunicated them. The Popes denied christ [Tit 1:16 KJV] 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. JUST like Judas who confessed with his mouth but betrayed his Lord, so too the Popes who deny Christ was Abrahams seed through the immaculate conception, The beast in Rev 13 is not Nero but the healed head and 8th king of ROME which is without doubt the dynasty of the Popes who performed a DUAL Role as KING_PRIESTS over the western empire for 1260 years. The let was the Pagan Roman Empire that had to be removed for the Papacy to rule europe.

[@trevino37]

The following verses in 2 Thessalonians 2 10 and 12 indicated the Jews who rejected Christ and not a far future people: "10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because THEY DID NOT RECEIVE the love of the truth, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED."....."12 that THEY all may be condemned WHO DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH but had pleasure in unrighteousness." The term THEY here is in reference to the Jews who rejected Christ and not a people far in the future because context makes is more meaningful in reference to the Jews who rejected Christ. For the author to make reference to their time frame then jump into a far away future and return to his time frame again would make no sense. Nothing in this context or chapters before and after, makes any reference to a far future away from the present. He is talking in the present and in the near future of his time due to context of the chapter. This whole chapter has been fulfilled in the first century.

[@johnceni3902]

man of sin will reveal before the 1000 years reign of Christ and the first resurrected people.

[@madalenasimoes8066]

The falling away was when the true church of Christ mixed up with Constantine’s church. For sake of security they compromised the truth and mixed the holy with the profane. For time, times and a half of time this power persecuted the true and faithful church of Christ. Time=360 days( in prophecy a day is a year) Times360+360=720 days/year Half’s time=180 days/year Equals to 1260 days/years The RCC alone killed over 53 millions of saints of the Most High. Read:”Rulers of Evil” by Tupper Saussy “Vietnam:Why Did We Go?” By Avro Manhattan “Romanism and the Reformation by the Standpoint of Prophecy” by Henry Grattan Guinness “The Papacy “ by James Aitken Wylie

[@sanders194539]

Yes, I just do not see Post-mil in the Bible. I have looked at all of the eschatological beliefs, but when I sit down and read the Word, Pre-mil is the only one that seems ro be consistent with the scriptures.

[@johnceni3902]

@royal priest no, because during the 1ooo years, the first resurrected people together with the ressurected apostle wil evangel8ze the whole nation on earth.

[@pablogonzalez5272]

Nice preaching, but he didn't explain the text.

[@rogelioancheta2430]

The revelation of the "man of lawlessness" heralds the coming of the lord , why ? Simply because he is that "man of lawlessness" as he is lord of everything , he is not bound by any law the reason he is called "lawless" , and because he is "lawless" , he is SINLESS for no law can accuse him because he is not under the law...and because he is the "man of lawlessness" , he hates the lawlessness of men because men are under the law , and they transgress the law...he is coming into the world to destroy sinners and their evil works...

[@bradsland]

Nero cannot be the beast rev 13 1-8, Preterists need to read v 1-3 again ITS A HEALED HEAD with TEN CROWNED HORNS.... who are they Mr Wilson?

[@jacobmatthews1143]

How do we look upon christ??? He s not here does he mean look upon the image that is depicted as christ??? But thats not the real christ so then I repeat...how do we look upon christ???🤔

[@royferdinand7434]

sup, muah

[@royferdinand7434]

no joke

[@mjolnir9855]

May God free this man from his evil heart and beliefs of vindicating the evil institution of slavery and theocracy. May he be granted repentance from such evil

[@roncuzzort283]

not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. II Thessalonians 2:2 NKJV Paul did not tell them not to be shaken in mind(unsettled) because he was speaking about the end of the world. Paul tells them not to be unsettled that the day of the Lord had already come. Then Paul says... Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, II Thessalonians 2:3 NKJV Falling away....apostasy....must come first. In this context the better translation would read... Unless the REVOLT comes first. The Jewish REVOLT against Rome , not some falling away of Christians at the end of the world !!! When you study you find that the high priest was the one restraining. When the zealots installed Phannias as their High Priest then they were finally giving the authority to revolt. Paul makes it very plain the "restraining" was already taking place when he wrote the epistle. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. II Thessalonians 2:5‭-‬6 NKJV So that also tells us this "man of sin" was alive at that time also. So many have to twist scriptures and make them try to say what they clearly do not say to fit their beliefs. I once did the same . When I finally changed my beliefs instead of the scriptures , it all became very clear. Christ had returned to that generation exactly as promised. Doug got it right when he said "the end" talked about all through scripture is the end of that "Judaic Age" as he put it. It was the end of the old covenant heaven and earth and the bringing in of the new heaven and earth. The one we live in now where Christ reigns supreme as our High Priest. No more need for the old priesthood as they were corrupt and fell from their positions of authority in the "heavens" the temple. The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. Revelation 21:23 NKJV Now we all have access to the water of life that flows freely from the throne of God in the new heavens and earth. And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. Revelation 22:1 NKJV And we hear... And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:17 NKJV So please do not listen to the end of the world doomsday preachers.

[@toddstevens9667]

Very confusing. Are you saying that all this stuff in 2 Thess 2 has already happened? And Revelation? Surely not. Or are you? Like I said, very confusing.

[@45calebt]

Ron, do you currently have an incorruptible body clothed in the glory of God?

[@christalone71]

This is what is known as full-preterism or hyper-preterism and IS BLATANTLY FALSE. We are not living in the new heavens and new earth, and Jesus has not yet come (the final coming/return). We are still waiting for this. We do not have glorified bodies and this is NOT the eternal state. Stop with the nonsense. I think that partial-preterism is more balanced and scriptural. But like Doug said he wasn't going to be dogmatic about it, and neither am I. So much false teaching about these "end times" just baffles one's mind. I see problems with every school of thought, but I definitely reject your view as well as all futuristic ones.

[@migzurena7]

It's all in the word. Michael is the one holding Satan back. Revaluations 12 for documentation

[@justpassingthruuu]

Yip

[@trevino37]

The apostacy was already occurring in the first century and its why most of the Apostles reference false prophets and being deceived in most of the New Testament Epistles. The none believing Jews were re-converting the Christian Jews back into circumcision and following the law. the social pressure of abandoning Christianity was very strong and its the reason why the Christian Jewish community grew smaller and smaller over time. After the destruction of the Second Temple, Christianity became a gentile religion because many of the Christian Jews were persuaded back into Judism. This was the great apostacy the even Paul spoke about when he mentioned how easily they have abandoned the Gospel they originally accepted thru Paul. This is all lear in the Epistles. This is all first century dilemmas and not 2000 into the future and still counting, These are all fulfilled in the first century.

[@unkown312]

Its Finished.

[@evantheorthodox740]

The Man of Lawlessness in Gary DeMar's "Last Day's Madness has an interesting, and alternate position on this chapter in Thessalonians.

[@seasidelife9742]

@14:32 or a zionist

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

I think he is wrong here. I see the apostle speaking to people of that day, not the end if all time. Why couldn't the temple be a pagan temple? I think this is Nero, the same as the figure denoted 666 in Revelation.

[@PuppetryInMotion]

When did the churches fall away at that time. They were doing the opposite, dying for the faith. The falling away was to wholesale paganism/idol worship - think Roman Catholicism.

[@williambrewer]

Leave the last days in the last days of the old covenant community. Your futurism is just as bad as the dispensationalists'.

[@jslevenson101]

People rise from death into Life. In Christ's name Amen. ❤️

[@Max-dd7du]

That the son of perdition is Judas is shown by the gospels, therefore that means that we are talking of a class of people, not an individual. In other words Paul is talking of what he warned the Ephesian elders, false teachers coming out from among them. Such things were to be expected, as Christ had warned them. They were not expected in the beginning of the establishing the churches, as all things were new. It would take time for error to take root. In Paul’s letters the temple always refers to the believers never the building in Jerusalem. To Paul that building was an Ichabod, God was no longer there, so it was irrelevant. These false teachers set themselves up in the churches in the place of Christ, as would be the tenor of the centuries to come in the battles with false teachers.

[@jacobmatthews1143]

The temple is the body of men in it the image of the beast is housed

[@madalenasimoes8066]

The temple or naos is us, the first beast is Ancient Rome and the image of the beast is the RCC. And the popes thought and still think they are God, the Vicar of Christ. Pope John Paul II said “come to me and not to God.” Pope Francis said “It is dangerous to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” Many popes have declared that they are as if God himself in the earth and they judge all and cannot be judged by none. Or all people are subjected to his authority and he alone is the the interpreter of the Holy Scriptures. It is a matter of seeking the truth, who is Christ and then the Holy Ghost, the true vicar of Christ, will lead you into all promises and the understanding of them. The Holy Ghost will also reveal what is wicked and the works of them that did and do not received the love of God.

[@PuppetryInMotion]

The one “restraining” was Caesar, the Roman Emperor (Paul wouldn't write that down, as persecution was already rampant without adding fuel to the fire, if his letter was discovered - Acts 8:1). Paul said “Remember I told you when I was with you”, so they knew the restrainer. His world dominance and empire fell, thus making way for the “Holy Roman Emperor” to rise to world power, and with him was the great falling away from the true faith, revealing itself at Constantinople, adding to the Father and Son Godhead (to this day) and worship of pagan idols re-labeled as Jesus, Mary and the Saints, led by a Babylonian priesthood, the Roman Catholic Church and State. Don't forget the RCC is also its own civil state with borders, military, laws, courts, etc. That church leader, the man of sin, stands in his New Covenant Temple (a grand building imitating Jerusalem's Temple) called a church, and has been declaring himself God - “Holy Father”, “Vicar of Christ” (replacement of Christ), King of Kings, etc, ever since. He also doesn't confess that God came in the flesh of mankind (which is antiChrist). He claims Jesus and Mary are of suprahuman flesh and that Jesus was never tempted by His human flesh.

[@Schquirl]

Was that the same kid crying throughout the whole sermon? Is the daycare that close to sanctuary?!

[@ChristKirk]

Children worship with us and we do not use daycare/Sunday School. When a child gets fussy (as they do) we have rooms where parents can go.

[@mjolnir9855]

May God free this man from his evil heart and beliefs of vindicating the evil institution of slavery and theocracy. May he be granted repentance from such drivel

[@coyotebuttons]

Have you listened to anything he says or teaches about slavery? Also, it doesn’t sound like you listen to what he teaches about cultural and government engagement either

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Yep, the Reformation and post-Reformation writers had it right on 2 Thes. 2:3-4. 1). "...that day..." is referring to the 2nd Advent of Christ. 2). "...the rebellion/falling away/apostasy..." has as its direct referent the "man of sin, son of perdition". 3). The identity of the "man of sin" is that it's the SAME ENTITY as the "little horn" (Dan. 7), the "sea beast" (Rev. 13:1-10), and the "scarlet harlot" (Rev.17); aka. the Antichrist that "is coming" (1 Jn. 2:18). 4). The Reformers CORRECTLY identified these as referring to the SAME ENTITY. 5). The "restrainer" was the old Roman Empire which was "restraining" the little horn (Dan. 7) from rising to power. Once the Roman Empire was removed (which happened in the 5th century A.D.), then the little horn/sea beast could rise to power on continue for a literal 1,260 years before receiving its "deadly wound," which has since been healing. HISTORICISM is the only way to properly interpret Bible prophecy; the Reformers knew it; folks like Doug are too arrogant to submit to the truths they discovered. Church of Laodicea anyone? Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@royal priest Not my opinion, though. Just facts.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@royal priest Yeah, I know, there really is no truth at all on these issues, or any other issue for that matter, and so trying to refute error, falsehoods, and lies is pointless because if truth doesn't exist, then error doesn't really exist either, and we're all left to our own subjective "minds," or, "consciousnesses" to decisionally decree what our own 'truth' is...if we even want to continue on with a concept of 'truth' since it's up to us to decide if it even exists. Wow, maybe I'll just abandon my Christian Faith altogether! Oh, wait, I know I can't do that because God says that He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life, and that He reveals His truths to those He wills to reveal it...and no one else. Nope, Historicism was the prophetic methodology of the Reformation. They were right, the Jesuits were wrong. Wish we could actually discuss the issue, though. Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@royal priest Good; I'm sure glad we can agree on the fact that God's Word has the monopoly on truth. Like you said, "interpretation" of it is another thing indeed. I have a view videos you might be interested in. I have one on Dan. 2 & 7. One on the identity of the Antichrist, biblically and historically. One on Rapture fallacies. One on 7-year Tribulation fallacies...etc. Check 'em out; let me know what you think. In Him, *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@merecatholicity]

@@ryangallmeier6647 Ah, someone who claims his interpretation is infallible. By what standard?

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@@merecatholicity Why do you feel you have to lie about me, or what I said? Why bear false witness against me? If there's error in my arguments, please let me know. The standard of Scripture will demonstrate that what I've written is true. History demonstrates the truthfulness of God's prophetic Word, as He said it would. My approach is not novel; The Reformation and post-Reformation writers had to say (including these 'high' Partial Preterist's favorite Theologian: Jonathan Edwards) much concerning Bible prophecy. I'm in agreement with the authors of the Westminster and 1689 Baptist Confessions of Faith (HISTORICIST Confession). I'm in agreement with the greatest biblical expositors the Reformation ever produced (HISTORICIST Confession). These men and Confessions were HISTORICISTS. This "high" form of Partial Preterism would have been utterly scoffed at by these authors. You know who _does_ like Partial Preterism (and, Dispensational Futurism, for that matter)? The Antichrist. In fact, it was two of her most learned scholars who first systematized _both_ the Preterist and Futurist systems of prophetic interpretation. They were a part of the Counter-Reformation, led by the avowed enemies of biblical Protestant Evangelicalism: the Jesuits. They are happy to see bible-believing Christians falling for their nonsense. *Don't worry, I have numerous quotations to back all this up, including many quotations from Jonathan Edwards demonstrating that he was NOT a Preterist, nor a Futurist, but an HISTORICIST. Wanna have an actual conversation? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@mrfreeland123]

Andrew Tate

[@rockycomet4587]

He's pretty based.

[@mrfreeland123]

@@rockycomet4587 based ?

[@mrfreeland123]

@@rockycomet4587 tates name literally = triple 6 ,he's 100% on "their" side