Who Killed Goliath?

[@ryankohnenkamp8946]

OBJECTION, your honor! My client Elhanan is innocent! It is DAVID who killed Goliath!

[@captainobvious2435]

Never happened. Lol.

[@ErinyHany-ve9lp]

​@@captainobvious2435 you just have to ruin it,good job 😃

[@CynHicks]

​@@captainobvious2435We'll pretend your comment never happened. Lol

[@Postenebraslux-n4y]

@@dirkjensen969 hence how he was bullied by his enemies calling him a 'giant'

[@ETHANFELIXROMANOV]

@@captainobvious2435 Your existence never happened

[@CaptainBars]

Another possible solution to this issue is to suggest that “Goliath” was the giant’s family-surname, thus making Elhanan the slayer of *a* Goliath but not *the* Goliath. A second explanation is that “Goliath” might actually have been the original giant’s title or rank which Lahmi inherited when his brother died, thereby making him “Goliath II.”

[@DelmyTreeCutter]

I like this

[@kevinlucas9905]

Just had a random Simpsons flashback. I like the reasoning though

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@dirkjensen969 Let me guess........ This story from that old book of fables is a fable?

[@jonathanscott5932]

@@kevinkelly2162 I know you wanted to sound smart but even if you believe the Bible is fiction it is not a fable. Maybe you should look into what a fable is first. Although a story conveying morals it's not a short story typically based around animals.

[@dodopod]

@@kevinkelly2162 Except that's not an explanation at all. Assuming that Samuel/Kings is fiction makes this discrepancy much less likely, not more. The author would have to forget one of the most memorable scenes in their own book, but still remember the villain who exists solely to make that scene work, which is tremendously improbable.

[@owlintrenchcoat]

Just last night I was thinking about this and thought "I think IP has a video on this. I'll look tomorrow."

[@PyroTurtleGaming]

Reading through cover to cover for the first time and the subject of who killed Goliath was something that was bothering me for the past few weeks. Praise God for putting this in front of me! really happy to have this resolved!

[@randybaker6042]

Resolved? What was offered was not a resolution. It was a claim of the most simple solution. There are many who would disagree that it's the most simple solution but that doesn't have to be here nor there. No matter what, we have someone (you) reading cover to cover and hopefully being enlightened to the fact there are either errors by authors (not surprising, I make them all the time when I'm writing a composition) or later edits to writings (not surprising for many reasons). It's a good thing to know when reading from cover to cover.

[@logia7]

@@randybaker6042 chill, he is just happy to know that there is some claim of resolution to this problem. None of what you said has much value.😅

[@randybaker6042]

@@logia7 Not to you obviously. But who are you? It wasn't resolved. Big deal. Not resolved. Said it was resolved. Not resolved. World changing? No. But use of language and interpretation is pretty much what this is all about, right? So I'll see your no value and raise you, find something better to do with your time.

[@DelmyTreeCutter]

The explanation is very simple. One battle is in Shochoh where David killed Goliath before he was king. The other battle is later when David is king and it is at a different place called Gob, by the men of David and it was the brother of Goliath. Looking at more than the names of the people involved but time and place also help.

[@BigStack-vg6ku]

Love how prepared and based your videos are bro!

[@flourishomotola5306]

@@BigStack-vg6ku He really does put a lot of effort and research into his videos. May God bless him.

[@BigStack-vg6ku]

@@flourishomotola5306 true, what a treasure God has given us through Michael Jones! God bless you too..

[@THECHRISAL3X]

Love you brother! Thank you for covering this!

[@mjdillaha]

‎‏If you know Hebrew, this explanation seems extremely plausible, and I would say very likely correct. If you’ve ever read written Hebrew, it’s obvious that it would be very easy to mistake את and אחי or לחמי and הלחמי, especially if the text is sloppy or obscured.

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

The people that disagree with this argument the most are the ones who know Hebrew. Yes, scribal mistakes happen often but possible is not the same as probable.

[@benjaminwatt2436]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou it also happens to be the most probable explaination, for an explaination as to why, watch the video

[@raphaelfeneje486]

​@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Engage with the video then

[@mjdillaha]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou your first sentence is an unjustified claim, it should just be ignored until you survey all those who disagree with this “the most” and report back on the proportion of those who know Hebrew. But given how easily this scribal error would be to make, as well as the other evidence IP gives, and given that the alternative explanations are significantly less parsimonious, IP’s explanation is easily the most plausible.

[@ruler1422]

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou this is a Dan McClellan level of cope, throwing out an unsupported appeal to authority while ignoring the fact that all the evidence supports the opposite of your claim lmfao

[@Qohelethful]

Isn’t the simple answer that David was a teenager when he killed Goliath and after being king for decades and being old and frail someone else with the same family name of Goliath was killed by the other guy? Multiple decades separate the 2 stories don’t they?

[@benjaminwatt2436]

he did mention one possible explaination is someone esle killed a different Goliath. what always impresses me is secular atheist scholars always grab on to this obscure Biblical challenges and immidiatly flaunt them as if the whole Bible is full of error. even if you completely removed this it would change nothing for Chritianity

[@Qohelethful]

@@benjaminwatt2436 yes he did mention it. It was an awesome video. it just astounds me that with such an obvious answer that people would say this is a contradiction even though it could be it’s not the most direct.

[@droe2570]

@@benjaminwatt2436 Denialists always default to "they made it up" regardless of other possibilities, or if other possibilities are more likely.

[@wannabe_scholar82]

@@benjaminwatt2436IP later goes on to say that in the text there is no indication this is a different Goliath. Also if it were a different one why would Elhanan just be mentioned in passing defeating a giant the exact same size with the exact same weapons as the one David had earlier fought?

[@ichernichenko]

@wannabe_scholar82 There doesn't need to be an indication of a different Goliath for 2 reasons. One because of obvious difference in the time period, two because there can be more than one person named Goliath. Names have a funny thing of repeating throughout history.

[@robertlee8519]

I'm only 3 minutes into the video, but I want to point out that it is mentioned elsewhere that Goliath has multiple brothers, and in addition David picks up a specific number of stones when he goes to face Goliath. It may be coincidence, but I like to think that it's not. He picks up the exact number of stones so that he could kill Goliath and each of his brothers just in case they decided to back up Goliath after he kills them.

[@elvolvasky69]

Yes The barbarian culture don't have honor Even when they the accept the duel easily can back his words

[@muppetonmeds]

You could be right but I always seen it as you wouldn't want to have only one bullet in your gun. TC

[@robertlee8519]

@@muppetonmeds generally that's true, but remember that David's confidence was both in his extremely good skill, and God who gave him that skill. The way he presented to Saul was that it is a sure thing that he would win because God gave him the skill and ability to fight a bear and a lion and win, and that was just for defending his sheep. He was even more confidence this time around because it was against the enemies of God that were blaspheming the name of God and his chosen people. I think he knew that in close quarters he could nail him between the eyes, just like you could at a shooting range if the target was very close to you, and I think he would only need one shot a piece if all five of them came at him

[@muppetonmeds]

@@robertlee8519 like I said you may be right. The Bible doesn't really go into detail about that. But I do know Goliath made a big mistake that day by going against God's people and he paid with his life for it. TC

[@ichernichenko]

@dirkjensen969 yes it does.

[@tylerf5914]

Thank you! I have been waiting for this one ever since you mentioned it. It's one of the more complicated contradictions to explain, but welcome.

[@curiouschristianity]

Thank you so much for clearing this one up. While I have studied many great apologetic answers for many other issues this one always bugged me. This is finally an answer that I can get behind. God bless you Mike!

[@UnknownSearcher]

2 Samuel 21:19 “And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.”

[@PastorTitus7]

Phenomenal work! Thank you very much. Absolutely love your content and your accessible explanations of complicated issues.

[@RobertGrif]

I'm saving this video, as my church is going through 2 Samuel and this will be useful when we get to chapter 21.

[@LucasDeFranco251]

Good video as always, Michael!

[@JPRussell297]

8 months ago on Dave Rubin's show, Bret Weinstein, attempting to support the idea that the bible was essentially historical fiction, made the claim that Goliath was probably a pituitary tumor giant killed by Elhanan and the bible's original authors attributed it to David to give him an origin story. I was hoping IP already had a video or would do a video on the topic right after I watched that interview since I knew it would be right up his alley of apologetics and would be a good resource, so I'm glad to see this here today.

[@emmanuellawyer8562]

Historical fiction wasn't even a thing until hundreds of years after the New Testament, and the story of David is from the Iron Age

[@KTChamberlain]

Suddenly I'm thinking back to the episode of The Simpsons where they put themselves in biblical stories and Bart dreams he's David facing off against Goliath's son Goliath II.

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

The straightforwardness with Biblical textual criticism is refreshing to hear from a well-known Apologist. Far too often, are fundamentalists and/or Muslims dishonest with the data wanting preservation down to the letter. Of course, I still ascribe (loosely) to inerrancy: defined as confident ascertainment to the original manuscripts, but this was a good video nonetheless 👍

[@Onlyafool172]

Yeah since we have Internet we can just compile these errors, and their explanation, the Bible is inerrant in history and faith, plus we use greek so it does not matter since we have the dead sea scrolls

[@Onlyafool172]

@@dirkjensen969 I dont think you even know what I meant, but yeah its not perfect ofc I know that, anyways what the Church considers inspired is ofc the new testmant, and what we add to the liturgy, so its not like we care, we dont believe the bible fell down from heaven and all bibles are the same word for word, that happens with every book btw

[@helwrecht1637]

@@dirkjensen969troll go away

[@thadofalltrades]

The number of fundamentalists who go to that length is extremely tiny. Most people understand the copies are not inerrent.

[@thadofalltrades]

​@@Onlyafool172Jesus and the Apostles considered the Old testament inspired.

[@legodavid9260]

I've wondered about this issue for a while, but didn't know any good resources to research this problem. Thank you so much for this video, IP!

[@J__T]

By the time Elhanan comes around David is much older. Any reader would notice the time difference, so why would anyone think that the two Goliaths are the same person if the first was already dead? The only two ways someone could be confused is if read out of order or the reader has never met someone with the same name which is absurd in this day and age. As for Lahmi, that may not be a name but rather a nickname; like a Junior going by his middle name rather than his actual for respect of or to distance himself from his namesake. It happens all the time in every culture for all of history, why not in the Biblical setting?

[@Thinker_Thunker]

Dan Mclellan Response incoming...... Keep up the great work, IP.

[@2besavedcom-7]

It's my experience that Mr. McLellan doesn't hold the Scriptures in the same regard as some believers, but groups it on level par with numerous other ancient writings and other mythologies.

[@DarrenGedye]

​@@2besavedcom-7ah yes, Dan "I'm not biased at all, I'm a Morman" Mclellan.

[@DavidPeel-fo9xv]

@@DarrenGedyemormons think he’s bunk too 🙃

[@VeridicusMaximus]

@@DarrenGedye Pot/Kettle

[@luisr5577]

Brilliant! Thank you😊

[@Vanta1111]

Thank you for your videos as always IP!!

[@DarkBlade37]

1:58 Yes, there is. First of all, it’s near the end of the book, which would place it in time long after David killed Goliath midway through 1 Samuel. Verse 15 notes that “there was war again between the Philistines and Israel” and that David came down with his men, but got tired and needed bailing out. His men then tell him to not keep accompanying them to battle. Verses 18 and 19 both note that “there was again war with the Philistines at Gob”. This Goliath was killed at least two wars after David’s men requested him to stop accompanying them in battle. The original Goliath was killed around the Valley of Elah, a completely different location.

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

Then how do we answer this question?

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

I remember looking for a video that explained this to link to and that's when I first came across everyone's favorite tiktok Mormon. I was so underwhelmed.

[@moisessalazar4432]

There is archeological evidence on the slaying of Goliath but it inscription says something like: "Ben-Gideon kill the giant Goliath" but some had argued that Gideon was the name of the father of David.

[@rodney1818]

Isn't it great that throughout history? No one has ever had the same name as anyone else.

[@ChristoJP]

Amen, Jesus is always here for you and Loves you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jiubertomonteiro1461]

should have more videos about the historical David.

[@dylanbiggs3997]

I'm pretty sure he said he plans on tackling issues with King David, Solomon and the united monarchy in the future.

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

Thank you IP

[@daviddrew3372]

1 Chronicles 20:5 has that ElHanan struck down Lahmi the brother of Goliath.

[@mickeylax9975]

@@dirkjensen969prove it

[@mickeylax9975]

@@dirkjensen969you’re one of those skeptics that pop up on every one of his videos to try and discredit the Bible? Why? What’s your angle?

[@mysotiras21]

Hmm. It is entirely possible that the Philistine name "Goliath" was fairly common among the people of Gath. A potsherd from Tel-es-Safi (Gath) is inscribed with 2 similar names: LWT and WLT. Both are etymologically related to "Goliath ("Lion-man"), suggesting that this name was not at all unusual. Interesting video.

[@fushumang1716]

...thus, this supposed contradiction can be resolved (sorry, was waiting for thiss😊)

[@ynohtnanitram]

In my opinion, whilst copyist errors provide a solution, a better solution is to understand how names are used in Scripture: In the Bible, names often evolve from referring to individuals to representing broader identities or symbolic titles. For example, “Israel” was first given to Jacob after he wrestled with God (Genesis 32:28), and later, “Jacob” and “Israel” came to represent the entire nation and even a spiritual identity in the New Testament (Galatians 6:16). Similarly, “Adam” initially refers to the first human (Genesis 2:20), but later it represents all of humanity (Genesis 5:2, Romans 5:12-19). The name “Satan” follows this pattern too-originally a specific adversary, it later became a term for any being or force opposing God. Names like “David,” “Jacob,” and “Israel” also take on messianic significance in prophetic literature. The Messiah is often called “David” or the “Son of David” (Jeremiah 23:5-6, Ezekiel 34:23-24), and He is referred to as “Jacob” and “Israel” in passages that highlight His role as the true representative of God’s people (Isaiah 49:3, Hosea 11:1). Similarly, “Caesar” began as the name of an individual but eventually came to represent the entire Roman Empire’s authority. In the New Testament, “Caesar” is used to refer not just to a specific emperor but to the empire’s power as a whole (e.g., Matthew 22:21). In the same way, “Goliath,” originally the giant David defeated (1 Samuel 17), can represent been other giants from the same lineage (2 Samuel 21:19, 1 Chronicles 20:5). Just as “Adam,” “Israel,” “Satan,” and names like “David,” “Jacob,” or “Caesar” symbolize larger concepts or roles, “Goliath” can repent the same, explaining the different references without contradiction or scribal errors.

[@2besavedcom-7]

I'm pleased you pointed this out, as it has been my understanding for many years. This same usage of an ancestor's name applies numerous times to Levi and all the "son's of Aaron," priests that served in the Tabernacle and later, the Temple.

[@reaganlecroy7773]

Sure names are used this way, but specifying Goliath as "Goliath the Gittite" makes it seem like it is talking about the individual Goliath from Gath, not a metaphorical or figurative Goliath.

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@reaganlecroy7773 - It's not to be understood as "metaphorical or figurative." It's to be interpreted as genealogical or familial pointing to the actual person as the forefather if that makes sense. Look up some of the examples mentioned: Abraham, Jacob/Israel, Levi.

[@ynohtnanitram]

@@reaganlecroy7773 As we’ve already stated, In the Bible, names often encapsulate more than just an individual’s identity; they can convey, and individual, the essence, nature, or role of that person or being, and can also signify authority or stature. This understanding allows for that “Goliath the Gittite” to refer to another giant from Gath who shares the same nature or stature as the original Goliath, allowing the name more of a title than just a personal identifier. The reason you’re not allowing this is because you’re still viewing the verses as contradictory instead of seeing them as purposeful by the authors. The supposed contradiction between 2 Samuel 21:19 and 1 Chronicles 20:5 actually reinforces this point. It suggests that “Goliath the Gittite” was used as a broader term or title rather than just the name of a specific person. In one passage, Elhanan is said to kill “Goliath the Gittite,” while in the other, it’s “Lahmi, the brother of Goliath.” If we see this as intentional by the authors rather than a contradiction, it becomes clear that “Goliath” could refer to any giant from Gath who shared that stature or role.

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@robf5236 - There most certainly ARE Textual variations (I wouldn't call them "errors") which reveals man's natural disposition to make mistakes. By comparing Texts, we do find that there is usually an answer, but it sometimes takes a bit of waiting and research.

[@Kasman-r8o]

God bless you bro

[@daviddrew3372]

It is more likely that two different men killed two different other men who happened to be brothers on two different occasions than that one man killed both. David killed Goliath, El Hannah killed Lahmi the Brother of Goliath.

[@thadofalltrades]

​@@dirkjensen969then we wouldn't have this competing record.

[@mickeylax9975]

@@dirkjensen969what an uncharitable assumption.

[@mickeylax9975]

@@dirkjensen969 why do you constantly troll this channel?

[@GarettPierce74]

That intro meant HARD great video

[@ThanksGOD-p8o]

2nd Samuel 19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the "brother" of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. It seems that you may have mis spoken Deuteronomy 4:2 states, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you"

[@raUser9982]

Illustrations are so beautiful

[@DelmyTreeCutter]

And so wrong.

[@DR_Sam_YouTube]

@@DelmyTreeCutterdawg what

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@DR_Sam_KZbin - I think he's alluding the fact that David was NOT a young lad and Goliath was NOT a giant of 12 ft tall. It's a bit like the "bathtub" ark illustrations presented in the majority of children's books.

[@DR_Sam_YouTube]

@@2besavedcom-7 Oh, okay

[@ImageBears]

This is so crazy... I was LITERALLY looking at this this morning, like 10 minutes ago and sure enough, when I open up YT this video pops up lol

[@Vanta1111]

God works mysteriously

[@StandOnTruth2010]

It's Google listening in and knowing what you need lol

[@Abcdefg_h62dzz]

​@@StandOnTruth2010 However, Google can NOT force content creators to publish something about exactly what another person is thinking, exactly when the person Is thinking about this. This would have made sense if the video had been several years or months older.

[@randman21]

I would wager that there's a dozen videos on this subject uploaded every day. At the very least. So it could be a work of Google.

[@deadalivemaniac]

We should take an amended Hanlon’s razor approach to these scribal issues: don’t attribute deliberate alteration to that which can easily be explained by accidental incompetence of the scribe.

[@JadDragon]

Great easy to follow breakdown. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@VeridicusMaximus]

Majority of scholars say I Chron. was later not prior. And the point of Lahmi is not just that the name does not have significance as merely 'My Bread' or a single usage - but that it's Semitic which was not what you would find for the brother of Goliath a Philistine - non-Semitic. Also, as Ozolinsh suggests the text critical issues (lower criticism) could have been present first and unrecoverable then the scribe/s for I Chron. could have 'corrected' it. Furthermore, the "Two Traditions" hypothesis, for the David Tradition, is not born from just this discrepancy - this sort of thing is throughout the Books of Sam.; Kings; and Chron. - it abounds with narrative issues on all levels from text critical to literary issues. There are tons of discrepancies pointing to two traditions for David in conflict with earlier legitimacy for the throne!

[@2besavedcom-7]

I thought you might touch on the fact that the earliest Texts (DSS and LXX) don't give the dimensions that the MT does. The earliest sources describe Goliath's height as four ammah (not six) and a zereth which is approx. 7ft and even Shemu'el does not describe him as a giant, but a "man of battle from his youth." (איש מלחמה מנעריו)

[@kenobibryant1637]

Everytime he says texts, I hear Texas. As a native Texan, I'm ok with this 🤠

[@kenobibryant1637]

@dirkjensen969 and you don't much look like a steer, so that pretty much narrows it down, lol 😆 😂

[@chancylvania]

I find it weird they say “legendary accounts added in.” What part of the story of David killing Goliath is not naturally possible? If we take the Septuagint height, then there’s really nothing you have to deny. Plus, Samuel is a very grounded book. Most of the miracles could be explained with natural causes and still attested as actually happening the way they’re recorded.

[@2besavedcom-7]

The DSS confirms the LXX measurements of four ammah and a zereth.

[@chancylvania]

@@2besavedcom-7 well DSS as well. I thought it did but didn’t feel like looking it up to confirm so I left it out.

[@patricksmith2239]

If anyone can help. What is the name of the backing/filler music that is being used within this video.

[@danielmalinen6337]

I, on the other hand, believe that just as David stole Uriah's wife, he also stole Elhanah's heroic act of slaying Goliath.

[@rdendelacruz4332]

Wow.....thats a clean explaination

[@danielr.5148]

@InspiringPhilosophy So, my question is then, do you have a video that talks about the inerrancy of Scripture? Knowing then that there were scribal errors, was the original author of 2 Samuel inspired by the Holy Spirit, or are we reading the most recent copy of the text that was passed down from the original author?

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

Scribal errors have been attested to for centuries by all major sects of Christianity and does not effect inerrancy. The only people who hold to such a foolish view are very fundamental Protestants, and that is the least of their problems

[@TheRomans-exe]

Another brilliant backing of the historical truth of the Old Testenmemt texts IP. By the way, what are the titles of the background musics you play?

[@XGoliath132]

So would tbis be an issue for Biblical inerrancy if we appeal to scribal errors?

[@harveywabbit9541]

Gittite (a patronym of Gath =a wine-press = autumn). Elhanan and David were both personifications of the same things = summer.

[@heinricho]

Thanks for using words I need to look up in a dictionary!

[@jessereichbach588]

Maybe the texts were created out of both Northern and Southern kingdom tales... . and David was given greater importance after Assyria when many fled to Yehuda. If Elhanan were the original.......... THere's also the possibility David told Elhanan to go get Goliath and in a sense both ended him........ which was later added to to again prioritize the talents of David. Its all plausible including scribal error........ unknown..... but Im sure Zoharists have some reasoning grammatically.

[@TheBluLime]

1 Chronicles 20:5 English Standard Version 5 And there was again war with the Philistines, and ELHANAN the son of Jair STRUCK DOWN Lahmi THE BROTHER of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

[@ChristIsMyLordnSavior]

I like all your videos thank you for defending the truth🙂

[@Aethelhart]

The guy from Inspiring Philosophy sounds a lot like Michael Jones. I wonder if they're related.

[@strongbelieveroftheholybible]

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[@fanman6568]

In the king James bible it says that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath. Every other translation I’ve seen says that he killed Goliath not David. I don’t know why modern translations keep getting this error wrong.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

Because both modern translations and the KJV use the same sources. If you read the KJV, you'll notice that "brother" is in cursive. The authors of the KJV used cursive to signify that the word in question is an insertion that they made.

[@joshuamueller3206]

Disappoints me that there are likely typos in the Bible, but as someone who has had to take lots of notes for college classes, I sympathize with that scribes hand. Imagine being tasked with rewriting most of a book, because there is no printing-press.

[@bekindrewind6981]

Great video.

[@c-LAW]

The apologetics i learned was there were 2 Goliaths. Regardless, many conflicts exist in "scripture." I think root problem is that assumption of the doctrin of scriptual infallibility-inerrancy.

[@themilkywayuniverse6962]

As always great video But I just can’t get over the fact that Dodo and Jair are the same person That just feels odd

[@mickeylax9975]

People often have more than one name.

[@traciesmobile683]

niv says 2 Samuel 21:19 [19]In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. So what translation is being used for this video

[@StandOnTruth2010]

This is some of the most complex work Ive seen IP summarize. He literally had to go back and forth over and over like a ping pong ball between responses and rebuttals. Lol

[@wesleyjakesta4095]

There were two events on separate occasions. David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed his brother.

[@thanevakarian9762]

How come in Roman history when 5 different Gaius kills 5 different Scipios in 5 different Roman civil wars it’s no big deal but in the Bible it’s automatically a contradiction?

[@mickeylax9975]

Good question. It reveals bad faith towards the Bible.

[@johnlee7699]

Dodo?! That's the Internet company I'm using in Australia! They totally slay it when it comes to speed!!! 😅😂

[@mattc.6526]

Are there any DSS or LXX manuscripts that show a different reading?

[@2besavedcom-7]

Both record Goliath's height as four ammah and a zereth rather than six, so not a "giant" per se.

[@imfamouseviewer]

Which translation is this? All mine say "another battle "

[@jiubertomonteiro1461]

Recently, the channel What Your Pastor Didn’t Tell You made a video with Dr. Aaron Higashi about David. You may have ideas for the next videos.

[@spencergage95]

This was an interesting one, and likely right. Does an error from a scribe jeopardize the innerrancy or truth of the Bible? (This question is for IP and other Christians to answer, not atheists/skeptics).

[@careybryant7]

@@spencergage95 I have been thinking a lot about this recently. I don’t think it does. Inerrancy as I understand it always pertains to the original autographs, and copies and translations can only be considered inerrant when they reflect the original autographs. In this case, the original reading appears to be lost due to a scribal error. However, we can still reconstruct what the original might have been based on the things IP talked about in this video. If IP’s proposal is correct, then David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed his brother and this is what the original would have said. So this doesn’t show that the original text had an error in it, just that the current manuscript copies of the original that we have today does contain one.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

Well, I don't think infallibility is questioned by examples like this, but inerrancy certainly is. The Bible contains manuscript errors, and that's perfectly fine, because we can always contrast different texts from the same manuscript to one another in order to reconstruct the original meaning. Kinda like a Hamming code: it's a self-correcting system. Think about it, why is there three synoptic gospels that cover much of the same things? If a copyist makes a mistake and it somehow became dominant, there are two other sources that can harmonize it with the original time line.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

All this is interesting, but I usually default to just pointing out how some people in The Bible are referred to by the name of a more famous relative. Like Caiaphas who we know from Josephus was really Joseph son of Caiaphas.

[@HarisPant-i3h]

Hey IP you probably won't see this but can you explain col 2 8 because i saw someone claiming that Christianity is anti science

[@azrael516]

Here in my Bible it says that Elana killed Goliath's brother

[@chrispinelli]

Here you go, the KJV fixes it for you 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Beth-lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

[@mickeylax9975]

@@dirkjensen969what’s your problem?

[@lanabowers5332]

In 1 Samuel, David killed Goliath---twice. 2 Samuel, Elhanan killed Goliath. 1 Chronicles, Elhanan killed Lammi, brother of Goliath.

[@midimusicforever]

David killed Goliath!

[@aniketeuler6443]

Does anyone know the background music?

[@DarrenGedye]

Good video, but I wish you hadn't called and shown Goliath as a "Giant" though. The text describes him merely as a הַבֵּנַ֙יִם֙ or champion. The Dead Sea Scrolls, Josephus, and the major Septuagint manuscripts all say that Goliath's height was "four cubits and a span" (6' 9" / 2.06 m). Also when King Saul (who was incidentally head and shoulders above all the other Israelites, and the logical person to fight Goliath) tells David not to fight Goliath, what reason does he give? He doesn't say "Don't do it David, he's a giant!" instead his only concern seems to be that that Goliath is an experienced "man of war," and his size isn't even mentioned. Only the Masoretic Text gives his height as "six cubits and a span" (9' 9" / 3m), which seems at odds with the other sources as well as it's own text. As for your thumbnail image, what size are you depicting? He looks at least three times the size of David, and more if we take perspective into account. If we assume David was 5' then your Goliath is what, 15-20 feet tall? That's far more than even the Masoretic text states.

[@avatarkeano]

I think what we have to remember is not to draw facts from our conclusions , david killed goliath as is shown in the text, but elhanan also killed a goliath, the first goliath was such a hero that he was stated to be gigantic showing his measurements, with second goliath we only know he was killed by elhanan and that he was from gath,my theory was that this was also a fearsome foe, he could also have been a giant but this is not specified, so i believe this could also have been a giant with the name goliath or that this was a giant that got the impresive rank of also being named goliath like for example we calling someone a einstein for their intelligence even though there name is something else

[@joshuahaddow3194]

Hey IP, your ministry has helped me so much. I was just wondering about a gospel reliability question. Basically how can we trust Matthew, Luke and John record what the appearances of Jesus were like truthfully, as we know there was an experience people had since Peter, the two James's and Paul died for their experiences and also due to the creed in 1 corinthians 15, but how do we know the gospel authors didn't embellish it as we don't have evidence of their martyrdom specifically.

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

1 clement, Josephus, John and Acts are all 1st century reports for the martyrdoms of those Apostles you just listed.

[@joshuahaddow3194]

@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics no I mean for Matthew, Luke and John. Those report the martyrdom of Peter, Paul, James the Brother of John and James the Brother of Jesus but not the martyrdom of Matthew, Luke or John.

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

@@joshuahaddow3194Fair enough, there are later traditions (in Eusebius for example) that IMO are less historically reliable. Then again, none of the gospels claim that “all twelve were martyrs” We can confidently say the twelve put themselves in situations that put them at a close call for martyrdom. Every day was an uncertainty for them whether they would live or not. IP also has a whole series on gospel reliability.

[@mattd398]

​@joshuahaddow3194 What would that mean if they did embellish or if they changed/altered to correct errors in other gospels or something? Or to show theological reports? What exactly would that mean? That everything is now made up or unreliable? Regardless, you can't know whether these stories actually happened or not. All you have us the claim that some dude name Jesus claimed to be Messiah, died proving he wasn't; yet his followers believed he was still alive and risen

[@joshuahaddow3194]

@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics thanks that's very helpful. I have seen his whole series on gospel reliability and because of it I think they're very reliable, in that they genuinely are the authors and they were written around the late 50s early 60s or earlier of the 1st century, the only thing I was questioning was their truthfulness, but the fact that the creed in 1 corinthians 15 shows that Matthew and John probably had an experience too sicne they are part of the 12 and the fact they are called apostles, meaning messenger, implies they were spreading the gospel and then the fact even writing a Gospel claiming Jesus rose from the dead is putting them at risk of persecution, even more so I think John would be respectful at reporting what his dead brother died for. Alongside this undesigned coincidences and the criterion of embarrassment and the fact the gospels seem less developed than the creed in 1st corinthians 15. All this probably shows my question doesn't hold too much weight lol, and thanks your comment helped too.

[@shellbackbeau7021]

Ah, the joys of Linguistic Drift!

[@benjaminwatt2436]

if this is your best argument against the Bible, maybe you should be more critical of your skepticism

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

IP is a Christian Apologist. This was a video defending the Bible.

[@benjaminwatt2436]

@@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics Yeah, my comment was directed toward the scholars who IP is defending against. God bless

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

@@benjaminwatt2436gotcha, thanks for that clarification! God bless!

[@mickeylax9975]

Why do skeptics always assume the reading that puts the truthfulness of the Scriptures in the worst possible light? It’s unfair.

[@Emanuell-lt8yb]

This is simple, the man killed 4 offspring. The Bible literally says "once again there was a battle..." 2 Samuel 21:22 [22] Now these four were born to the giant in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants. 2 Samuel 21:19 [19] Once again, there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob. On this occasion, Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite struck down Goliath the Gittite, whose spear shaft was like a weaver’s beam.

[@noahmoffitt8419]

An IP video released on my birthday?! Yes please!

[@noahmoffitt8419]

Well, was released on my birthday (August 23rd)

[@joehorstmann8027]

A sling hits like a gun they where more feared then bows at the time

[@maxalaintwo3578]

I wonder what IP’s opinion on biblical inerrancy is

[@gamerjj777]

2 samuel 21:19 There was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite’s brother, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. Scroll 1Q7 Samuel

[@gamerjj777]

@@dirkjensen969 ?

[@watchman2866]

I don't think it's a scribble error. Like many supposed contradictions, the argument tries to make different periods the same event. It takes the name Goliath and makes it exclusive. *Event 1* 1 Samuel 17 gives a detailed narration of the event. This was in the valley of Elah (1 Sa 21:9). *Event 2* This is a place called Gob. 2 Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant. :19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. Beware the anti-miracle higher critics of the 1700s and 1800s.

[@ichernichenko]

I'm sorry, but there could have been two soldiers who were tall that were named Goliath. It's not like this was a forbidden name, people reused the names in antiquity. For some tribes it was actually a thing to only name their sons with names that existed in the tribes. There were more giants back then even in davids time, including the giant egyptian with 6 fingers on each hand. Giants were a thing back then.

[@ichernichenko]

@dirkjensen969 thank you for letting me know the name, I didn't even know it was called that. Thought it was an argument from common sense as giants were reported multiple times throughout the Old Testament.

[@jodymaley3674]

The King, Our Lord, Jesus is calling his steed. Stand ready

[@davidgeorgea]

I believe that the Bible account of David Killing of Goliath is true .

[@davidjackson2690]

David.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Young David (the summer sun) whacks Goliath in the head (Scorpio constellation). As Scorpio rises David (the sun) makes him disappear. The head of Goliath (winter of five months) is the scorpion in Revelation 9.5. The five months of winter/rainy season is always led by the mean ole scorpion who is called Satan, Father of Lies. These five "months" are Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces.

[@mickeylax9975]

Stupid.

[@aW-qi4od]

How dare he strike down my bread. I was gonna eat that.

[@iloveanimation555]

I’m guessing this is a response to that video by whatyourpastordidnttellyou right?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

This was made months ago, so no.