Who owns MODEST fashion? (rich girls or religious ones)

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[@ciaociara]

I also feel like modesty is a spectrum. I don’t dress modestly but I had to as a kid for religious family functions, and I would not consider a lot of Sofia’s outfits modest because, to me, modesty is not showing cleavage, shoulders, or knees, and if you show your legs, you wear stockings. I consider her style “rich yacht mom” instead of modest.

[@Myladyinred999]

Definitely 👍 Oftentimes I’m confused what people consider “modest” after having looked into what very strict Muslim and Jewish people consider modest 😂

[@sugarzblossom8168]

In my opnion showing things that aren't sexualised is modest.Well things that aren't sexualised where I live.Even cleavage to some extent aren't sexualised. Depends on how you show it. Obviously when it comes to religion, more body parts may be seen as more inappropriate depending on gender

[@Tzedakah263]

You hit the nail on the head, Tazzy. I'm a Christian, and the definition of modesty is debatable. When you boil it down, modesty is only really respected if you have wealth and status on your side, while dressing modestly for religion gets you judged. In school, there was a Christian girl who exclusively wore floor-length skirts, and many students would talk smack about her wardrobe. When I worked as a teacher, I was an advocate for dress code reform, not to be looser on girls, but to be stricter on boys. If we're going to mandate girls dress professionally in school, boys need to uphold that standard, too.

[@eeshakhan1842]

Yes!! 💯

[@pyrophoresist1497]

Kate Middleton springs to mind. Her fans & many other people praise her as elegant & classy & modest now that she's been wearing mostly longer dresses & skirts these last couple of years but if she were poor would she get the same praise?

[@laurad1487]

Bespoke bespeaks delucre

[@katherinedelacruz9876]

God forbid a girl wears a tank top lol 😂

[@daisylavenderlove]

I think this speaks to age more than anything. Younger kids do what is trendy so anyone who is not doing that will be subject to teasing & even bullying.

[@sabreenahrochelle3989]

As a Christian woman I’ve been really tempted to dress like Muslim women despite differing beliefs. The philosophy behind women’s choices to dress modest is really really admirable

[@Sunshine-rq1ow]

❤

[@h.o.y.o]

Do it!

[@esthellakomerl8084]

❤️🥳

[@clem.3894]

The idea that a woman's virtue is defined by how much of herself she covers up--much of that due to the idea that a woman's body is inherently alluring to men--is not an admirable ideology at all.

[@hallease]

What's hilarious is I have no idea who this woman is. Sorry to this woman. 🚶🏿‍♀ but I love the conversation! I was raised Christian so I naturally skew, relatively modest in my clothing and yoooo the Muslim Modest Fashion Community™ has me in a consistent choke hold of creativity. The color blocking. The fabrics. Yasssss. Now that I actually live in a state that has 4 seasons I'm excited to get all of my looks together.

[@hallease]

This woman = Sofia Richie LOL not you. I definitely know who you are Tasneem

[@lidesalvatierrafalque2169]

@@hallease 🤣❤

[@TazzyPhe]

@@hallease😂😂😂

[@seabreeze4559]

@@TazzyPhe sofia converted to judaism

[@elizabethl6187]

The man who invented the bikini had to hire a stripper to model it. But now if you try to wear modest swimwear, you feel judged. Other women who come from communities that require modest dress will talk about the harsh judgment of women for having a sleeve or hemline just an inch or so too short. Ladies, if we wait until nobody judges us, to wear appropriate clothes, we will grow old and die. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, fashionista, frumpy… I support you on your journey.

[@ShirinHossain04]

Sofia does not dress modestly she does not wear fashion nova clothes. That is the difference. Her style and dress patterns are more classy but she wears all kinds of stuff including bikini. Idk how i feel about people overanalysing her fashion sense and called her modest and stuff when all she is doing is living her life and dressing in what she wants😂

[@dm_1236]

I agree. She isn’t dressing modestly. That’s not the modesty Muslims look up to anyways.

[@redmaple1982]

Yeah ive seen how christain fundamentalists, amish, othodox, and muslim women dress - sophia shows way too much knee/ elbow and use too much cor for her to be compared to them

[@dm_1236]

Modest Fashion is an oxymoronic term. Turning something into fashion, automatically makes it something that is there for consumption. Modesty in Islam isn’t just for what we wear, but also in the amount of wealth we display and use. This is why instead of praising celebrities, keep motivating Muslim women.

[@Myladyinred999]

But Islam does not forbid showing and keeping huge fortunes it just encourages giving to the less fortunate and concentrating more on religion - it’s entirely possible to stay very wealthy while doing that.

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

​@@Myladyinred999Yeah there's nothing wrong with wealth as long as you are not treating people who are not rich like rubbish and you use your money to help others

[@jamila9558]

Exactly! Modesty is not a "trend" or an "aesthetic" like how the media portrays, it's a way of life according to Islam. When you practice humility and modesty in your daily life, that mindset will show in your clothing and the way you carry yourself!

[@dm_1236]

@@Myladyinred999Islam does not allow, if practiced correctly, displaying of wealth. Why is gold and silk banned for men to wear in Islam? The reason is because these are luxuries that kings used to display and Muslims should not show off. Same with deeming tall building as a sign for the end of times. Unnecessary displays of wealth are not looked favorably upon.

[@dm_1236]

@@jamila9558Well said!

[@xBabyRawrX]

I think its seen as "modest" compared to the current fashion trends. But her style is preppy to me

[@starbyeol1596]

Are you talking about the preppy girl style on tiktok cause her style is nothing like that

[@xBabyRawrX]

@@starbyeol1596 Not sure what tiktok preppy is?

[@moongem4489]

@@starbyeol1596 "The preppy girl style on tik tok"? or maybe just preppy style in general? People out here acting like tok tok invented things that have been around for ages.

[@ya9321]

The part where you said “Muslim women are suppose to get treated with more respect but it’s the opposite”…I tried wearing the hijab during Ramadan and I didn’t make it past day 2. It’s truly hard. God bless you sisters that cover up. No one talks about the mental journey and battles on wearing the hijab.

[@sofiatorrez-ot1ri]

If you have a hard time wearing hijab then that means you have inferiority complex. There’s no such thing as a journey with hijab. When you are a Muslim woman it is your obligation to wear one. It’s simple, just put a scarf over your head and that’s it. You girls make it so difficult. May Allah سبحانه وتعالى guide us all. Ameen.

[@Ri57490]

There is no 'journey' with hijab. Wearing hijab is very easy. It's simply putting an extra piece of fabric with the rest of our outfits. We don't need to be religious to wear hijab. It's simply one aspect of following Islamic teachings. The only time it's a struggle is if the country we live in bans hijab, or during very hot weather, but the hijab protects from the sun rays on the ears and neck, so there is a health benefit

[@ya9321]

@@Ri57490 no one asked if you agreed with me or not lol if you don’t have a journey then you must feel like you get extra brownie points to Jannah. Congrats. You sound miserable.

[@ya9321]

@@sofiatorrez-ot1ri “you girls make it so difficult” when you don’t live in a Muslim country, it is a struggle. But I’m glad you don’t feel like it’s a journey. You must be better than the rest of us.

[@moralay79]

@@Ri57490 do you not hear yourself lol? Putting in the hijab is a lot more than just putting on a piece of fabric. I’m a revert and my family frowns upon me being Muslims let alone we actually looking like one. Wearing the hijab can be hard for women for many reasons. Just because you have no problems wearing them does not mean that’s the problem for the rest of us

[@sirah.a]

There is an interesting book called Modesty: A Fashion Paradox by Hafsa Lodi that I recommend in regard to this topic. It talks a bit about the rise of modest fashion in the mainstream and how it relates to wealth

[@mishkaatrawjee1271]

Modesty is such a journey too and like another comment said it’s a spectrum. When I was younger my parents were strict about what I wore and made me wear longer shirts, wear loose clothing etc. At the time I didn’t really care but now that I’m getting in to fashion. I like experimenting with different styles. I still wear hijab. But I might wear shorter tops that I still see as modest because that’s where I am with my hijab with my modesty. Others might see it as not that modest. Sometimes I try to justify it with my friends (they dress more modestly than me) saying “oh I was restricted with fashion when I was younger” but I see it as a journey and I don’t have to necessarily conform to someone else’s standards of modesty. As long as I’m aware of where I am and I’m comfortable with the decisions I make it’s all good.

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

Exactly like even with colours I remember my Aunt was wearing a red khimar and one guy said she was an attention seeker

[@RoseRamblesYT]

Really enjoyed your thoughts on this. To pick out just one part, I'd say the... double standard of what - when it comes to public schools in the US - girls can get in trouble for, but the boys don't. It's been many years since I was in high school, and while there wasn't really (many) strict clothing rules at my school, certainly no uniforms, I have a couple examples of weird double standards. 1) A friend of mine who did have a larger chest wore a shirt that had skeleton hands on it. Now, because of her boobs, the hands looked like they were, I guess, cupping her chest. Because of this, she was asked to change shirts or at least turn it inside out. So... super weird to sexualize a teenager like that for truly wearing an innocuous shirt. 2) I remember a few boys, basketball players and baseball players, liked to wear t-shirts that had the sleeves cut off, and the sides as well had been cut pretty low, which meant with a little movement anyone could easily see their body (chest/stomach). Did they get in trouble for this or asked to change shirts? Nope. But if a girl wore something like this, oh they definitely would have gotten in trouble.

[@aeolia80]

I'm 6th generation Mormon, basically grew up in the religion (though doing theatre most of my life shaped my conscience more than religion did), became pretty active in the religion in my 20s till about 34 when I realized that any form of organized religion wasn't for me and that I was more agnostic. Anyways, in more conservative high demand "christian" style religions there's this saying that got thrown around (though thank god I wasn't super active in my teens for it to affect me) "modest is hot-est", and as a young adult when I really heard it, and when I was on my mission, I hated it because it felt to me to defeat the purpose of what modest fashion meant. For me modesty in fashion was to make it so that the personality of someone was more important than what their body had to offer to the word. I'm not against fashion by the way nor those that are of the modest persuasion to dress in a way that may show off their body but still being modest, that was never my problem, it's the promoting that it was still meant as a way to attract a "husband" so to speak, and yet in the same breath those same people would insult non-modest people that had been assaulted and blaming it on the way they dressed. That level of BS-ery from many in conservative religious spheres was one thing that turned me off to most of religion. I still I guess dress in a way in Mormonism would be considered modest (I did wear temple garments for a good 10 years of my life and only stopped 9 years ago) more because that's what I'm comfortable with, and I've lived in countries where the general fashion sense was a bit more modest (after I left the religion I lived in South Korea for 5 years), I now live in France where my level of modesty is never questioned but anyone being more modest than my level would be harassed (France, lol), though I do live near a mosque now, lol, and my town for the most part leans gauche, so I never really see that part of the French in my everyday life, also thank god

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

Oh yeah after going to France and being modest due to my religion and being a woman of colour let's say it wasn't the experience despite France actually being diverse

[@himomimfamous]

Modesty is beautiful and is for everyone ❤️

[@Zireael1410]

I totally agree with your statement regarding the obsession with controlling what women wear while men can get away as there are no much strict rules regarding how they should - or even must - wear. I agree with dress codes as a way to set a distinguished and appropriate uniform for each place, but it must be done EQUALLY between the two sexes! Just like men set rules for women's dress codes, we set the rules for theirs as well. No shoulder showing? Ok you have to button up your shirt to the neck, no inch shows from your chest hair and so on.

[@321Sapphire123]

In terms of shoulders covered being part of the dress code for adult women, it makes total sense. Men are not expected to uncover their shoulders or wear vests in those workplaces as it's not considered formal either. It's a standard, fair expectation for both men and women to have their shoulders covered in a formal, professional organisation. It's not something against women, nor is it because people are attracted to a woman's shoulder. And I say this as a Muslim woman who has worked in a few different professional environments.

[@Ray03595]

I agree. I would think men also have a dress code and it was likely more conservative than the women’s until they passed the new dress code. Shoulders showing has always been for casual settings for men and women. Covering arms, maybe too much for that setting and there are definitely modest outfits that still shows arms. If they are going to force arm coverage they better have good air conditioning!

[@lindamaroney5393]

As always you make very clear and well thought out points. Always enjoy your commentaries!!

[@NoNameNumberTwo]

Modesty is a heart posture. 💖

[@mariapaulamandombemoniamam4167]

I don't understand why some muslim women think that they're the only ones that dress modest. I'm christian and many christians who dress modest are laughed atm I also use scarf and people say that I look too old but although in my church is a mandatory I like to cover my head cause is very stylish too.. Honestly I never saw people calling Sophia the blueprint of this style and people who think like this I'm sorry you're dumb. You're right they are a lot of interpretations about modesty. THis is my first time in this channel, kisses and keep the good work😊

[@imareallybigdeal]

Did you watch the whole video? She acknowledges other faiths value modesty and uses it as part of her argument.

[@mariapaulamandombemoniamam4167]

@@imareallybigdeal I'm not talking about her but those women on twitter and tiktok.

[@imareallybigdeal]

Oh I get what you mean😮

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

​@@mariapaulamandombemoniamam4167Even with some cultured ethnic traditional clothing they get mad like dude there are many people who cover their hair too like in Africa back then covering your hair was also part of modesty too or when a woman is in mourning

[@stepahead5944]

​@@imareallybigdealYes, but there's also a statement exclusively about Muslim women in being persecuted for the modest fashion but that's not true. It's brief but noticeable when you're one of the other populations also getting heat for modest style.

[@redmaple1982]

I wish people would just speak honesty about their anger rather than trying filter their emotions via the latest tending celebrity. Yes, women who adhere to religious dress codes are subject to ridicule, scrutiny, and violence. Yes, modesty is used as a method of controlling and shaming women in both religious and secular contexts. Can we talk about those issue rather than pretending that Sophia is dressing in a way that adheres to any strict religious dress code or that she is in any way more covered up than that of the average office worker living north of DC?

[@caitlinb]

Thank you for this video! I've noticed most of the luxury modest clothing has sprung from lux retailers carrying muslim-friendly dresses and garments in recent years. I'm not rich or religious, but prefer to dress more covered because I don't like feeling on display.

[@sashkad9246]

I have no words for Sophia Richie's "modesty". Half of these looks you showed, I wouldn't even wear to the office. I mean I could, noone would say anything as we don't have a strict dress code but it would be sooo unprofessional. So much for this "modesty".

[@jayolovitt5969]

I think modest can be about more than showing or not showing skin. A lot of say, traditional South Asian attire (I’m thinking sarees and ghagra cholis specifically) may show midriff or even cleavage but the wearer also modestly covers her face, hair or just behaves in a more reserved manner and that partially makes it a modest, even conservative outfit. Whereas I’ve had male friends from Pakistan and Afghanistan talk about women in all concealing abayas or chadris ‘looking hot’ because their makeup, behaviour, high heels etc, are calibrated to stand out, be beautiful and get attention *within the confines of accepted female dress in those countries*. There’s an obvious difference between a ‘fashionable abaya’ and a ‘modest abaya’ even if the same amount of skin is covered.

[@eastvandb]

Thank you for this video. Very engaging. Good luck with the pilot!!

[@MNCondori-ti8lv]

GO TAZZY! One lasting memory from my grad school days - our "study abroad" professor from US told in orientation to "dress nice" when we went to national palaces & govt buildings. Undergrad girls came looking like they were going into a nightclub. The administrations of the building tours would not let the girls into the buildings and us grads had to babysit them outside while university faculty finished the tours with the other students. Yes, it is about class, but a religious education in formal dress won that day.

[@pyrophoresist1497]

Wow, your professor is quite strict! I'm in grad school in Northern Europe & as part of my coursework I'm in a lab with lots of machinery. The number of girls I see working there with long hair clearly untied(the rule says it must be tied), crop tops, one shoulder crop tops & flimsy skimpy crop tops. All of these baring their torsos. Not sure if standards have fallen or this is OK summer attire for labs...

[@oreochocolate_lavacake9960]

​@@pyrophoresist1497Hair untied in a lab with chemicals also do they not to protect they're skin too

[@pyrophoresist1497]

@@oreochocolate_lavacake9960 The lab techs & grad students respect them & don't tell them anything or stare & mind their own business. Meanwhile when you, dressed with headscarf, covered in your regular loose long sleeve top & trousers (because it's hot & prep work gets dirty): people stare at you, mansplain occasionally & hover around you occasionally to "see"/spy what you're doing

[@Qwardha]

Thoroughly enjoyed your point of view! Well thought-out and delivered greatly! 👏

[@maars75]

Amazing topic ! Thank you

[@debbie9370]

modesty is not only a lack of showing inappropriate skin... it is an attitude of worship to the King of kings. True modesty is about not seeking attention... either through "modest" or not fashion. If you are wearing clothes to attract attention you are not truly modest.

[@jayolovitt5969]

The other thing I’d say is ‘quiet luxury’ and ‘stealth wealth’ is very ‘white coded’ (for lack of a better term) that’s not to say that only white people are wearing and promoting the style but all the looks and brands pushed for this trend are European or Western. The ‘old money’ being emulated is white old money. There’s old money aesthetics from all over the world that aren’t being promoted as ‘quiet luxury’ because they don’t seem to have the same cachet.

[@rainrelaxation861]

As a muslim women, we shouldn't even be trying to be fashionable. Let alone trying to own it. We should be focussing on covering our aura, and observing correct hijab, both physical and mental/aklaq. We should not be fight over a little title in fashion with non-muslims women it's petty and doesn't do anything. We should not be constantly trying to prove ourselves to non-muslim people that we are kind, just and good people. Our actions should reflect that and our actions alone.

[@feefs2139]

Best comment on KZbin. May Allah reward you and continue to be firm on the Deen. ❤

[@l0singmysanity]

10/10 comment honestly. this should be pinned

[@KendallM0219]

Your asking a hard ask, who doesn’t want to feel good about how they are dressed? That’s a normal thing to want to look nice.

[@preppyparisienne]

Really appreciated this video-I find it so ironic that these class dynamics still exist today when it was the same exact type of shift after the Industrial Revolution in the US/Europe. Think Titanic, Great Gatsby, Downton Abbey-the aristocracy/high society/old money class was confronted by the “nouveau riche” and looked down on their expression of their new wealth.

[@lindsaypeek63]

Just clicked but want to say first I am always I inspired by Muslim women’s fashion. I am Christian and our modest fashion is lovely however Muslim woman seem to add a touch of elegance that inspires me💕

[@talkingtochapri]

Honestly, I find it cringe when a bunch of males decide what women should and shouldn't wear and turn women clothing into politics 🤢 both Iran and USA. And Sofia's fashion sense is honestly less about modesty and more about rich girl vibes. Truly, no average woman can afford that.

[@dm_1236]

Iran is a theocracy so under their government, they are within their rights to impose dress codes. The USA is a democratic republic and there is freedom of expression, so there is no such right for the US to impose dress codes except in public funded areas.

[@talkingtochapri]

@@dm_1236 it's high time, no country should impose dressing code and kill people. Because then, people will fight back and that's what happened ✨

[@hxmdnv]

ur acting as if Iran and the USA are the only ones with dress codes bffr dress codes created from men has been around for centuries by imposed cultures and other countries

[@artemis7093]

You have to be thin, but not too thin. And you can never say you want to be thin. You have to say you want to be healthy, but also you have to be thin. You have to have money, but you can’t ask for money because that’s crass. You have to be a boss, but you can’t be mean. You have to lead, but you can’t squash other people’s ideas. You’re supposed to love being a mother, but don’t talk about your kids all the damn time. You have to be a career woman, but also always be looking out for other people. You have to answer for men’s bad behavior, which is insane, but if you point that out, you’re accused of complaining. You’re supposed to stay pretty for men, but not so pretty that you tempt them too much or that you threaten other women because you’re supposed to be a part of the sisterhood. But always stand out and always be grateful. But never forget that the system is rigged. So find a way to acknowledge that but also always be grateful. You have to never get old, never be rude, never show off, never be selfish, never fall down, never fail, never show fear, never get out of line. It’s too hard! It’s too contradictory and nobody gives you a medal or says thank you! And it turns out in fact that not only are you doing everything wrong, but also everything is your fault. Barbie movie

[@HoudaOussous]

Every culture has a different definition of modesty... It's subjective

[@feefs2139]

Who cares..we don't wear it to be noticed. We do it for Allah and our protection. We don't even need to be so involved with these "celebrities. " We need to focus on our own ummah. It's already going down the drain with how immersed in western society we are.

[@pyrophoresist1497]

Excellent comment. Personally I dress modestly as a Muslim because I don't want to show the shape of my body (in line with Islamic standards), it's more comfortable because it allows air flow & I am used to it that way. I don't like this new creeping trends here & there, even peers & friends about how you can & should be modest & fashionable & elegant etc. I have nothing against Muslim fashionistas, I don't want to be one or coerced or expected. I want to dress neat & not scruffy, that's all.

[@clem.3894]

@@pyrophoresist1497 "I don't want to show the shape of my body" =/= "It's more comfortable because it allows air flow" Can you not be cognitively dissonant and just admit it's because you in accordance with your religion believe an inch of a woman's skin is inherently alluring to men and unleashes chaos upon society?

[@clem.3894]

Yeah, a piece of fabric isn't going to offer you any sort of protection from a predator and insinuating as such is misogynistic.

[@pyrophoresist1497]

@@clem.3894 Don't gaslight me. I actually feel that way, i.e. I really don't want to show the shape of my body & it's more breathable for me to wear boxy & loose clothes (that everyone irl knows me for at this point) whih is why I continue to do so. Yes, my faith prescribes modesty in dressing & I adhere to & agree with that myself. Where does it say that "women's skin is inherently alluring to men & creates societal havoc?" My face, hands & feet (when I wear sandals) are exposed.

[@NinaR478]

I’d say it’s certainly modest for Hollywood.

[@redmaple1982]

Modest for hollywood, normal for Connecticut

[@NinaR478]

@@redmaple1982 😂 truly

[@rubab2243]

Thank you Taz

[@lidesalvatierrafalque2169]

Best video on the internet!❤‍🔥👋👋👋👋

[@low-key9338]

I feel like we can't compare modest fashion and the hijab. As Muslims, Hijab is not a fashion or a trend, it is supposed to be an adoration and is mandatory. And as we know hijab has conditions to respect in order to be considered as a proper hijab ! A Muslim woman should not be fashion outside of her home. Actually the hijab is supposed to cover up the adornments and fashionable clothes that she is wearing because she is not to be shown to everybody. For a sister who is on her way to wear the proper hijab, she will most likely start by covering herself more and dress more modestly when she goes out, but being fashionable should not be part of her way of thinking in that process otherwise she will undoubtedly end up compromising her hijab. That being said, i think modest clothing are so much more elegant and feminine to wear for any woman and it is great that more and more females tend to rediscover that and cover more. May Allah guide us all 🥰

[@clem.3894]

no amount of hearts is going to cover up that what you really mean is that every inch of a woman's body is inherently alluring to men and must be covered so as not to unleash chaos upon society

[@waymilky442]

Why is women covering arms in law positions bad when men wear suits too?

[@Ray03595]

I agree. The men dress codes were likely more strict. I just hope the building has central air for those hot months. Wouldn’t want to be stuck in a suit for that

[@ileanamuntean7338]

It's also education. Doctors, PhDs , writers, classical musicians dress (on the whole) modestly.

[@offlicense6097]

Their term of modest is very different

[@fairydreamz]

Skipping this for now because the volume is bad on my phone maybe I will get to it later seems interesting

[@vix7146]

you look sooo good in this video 😳

[@rosrychaplet]

They need a power suit. Period.

[@lululululululululululululu7583]

The whole trend is old money trend not modesty. I wont say Sofia Richie dresses modestly but she dresses classy and has an old money aesthetic

[@rsnoor5186]

Modesty is for everyone. I wonder if she would continue to dress "modestly" if she divorced her husband or is she trying to cash in on "modest" wear -Muslims (and some other religions) have made it a big business.

[@bee2373]

Great video. Modesty is an interesting word. My dad's family is Muslim (mostly wealthy/rich), my mom's side Catholic (below average wealth). I have a paternal aunt who covers her hair but wears tons of makeup, jewelry, designer fashion. My maternal aunt doesn't cover her hair, but also never looks flashy. She doesn't wear makeup, either. She is more modest to me. I think a lot of Muslim women are forgetting the purpose of hijab. I am guilty of this too. Random rant: The negative obsession of Muslim women 'having to cover' annoys me. The religious men in that same community dress modestly, too. Also, they have to grow beards and cannot remove them like we can take our headcovers off! lol, my brother sometimes complains about the itchiness of the beard but grew one for the sake of Allah.

[@pagethreemodel]

The men do NOT cover like the women do. Idk who you're trying to fool.

[@Ri57490]

​​​​​@@pagethreemodelit's true that the Muslim men do not cover as much as the Muslim women, but the men cover themselves a lot more than non-Muslim men and women. A lot of religious Muslim men wear a thobe, which covers all the body apart from the head, neck and ankles (and is a loose garment). The majorty of non Muslim men wear t shirt with shorts/jeans and the non-Muslim women wear similar style clothes (in terms of skin showing)

[@bee2373]

@@pagethreemodel where in my comment did I say ‘like women’? I said they dress modestly like women, too. And I’m referring to religious men and women. My dad is a sheikh and wears a long white thobe, a taqiyah cap with headdress (and yes, he’s been called all kinds of terrible names when going out in public in America). Are you Muslim or what is your religion, belief, background to comment like this?

[@SaffariRose]

Interesting comment! I did not know Muslim men had to grow a beard for religious sake. Is this optional or only certain parts of Islam? Also, did your mom remain Catholic or did she have to convert? (Actually, you don't have to answer this part if it's personal! I'm just being curious because I know both both religions actually encourage conversions, so it's beautiful to see such a union happen :)

[@bee2373]

@@SaffariRose Hello! Thank you for your kind comment! My mother converted on her own after 25 years of marriage. She doesn't cover her hair, and is basically the same after becoming Muslim except that she prays 5 times a day, fasts for Ramadan, and believes in Jesus as a Prophet and not God anymore. My dad was not very religious when my mom married him (he changed after there was a scare with one of my mom's pregnancies, I assume he made a vow to God that he'd be more religious to help the safety of the baby), but he knows he cannot force my mom to do anything. That doesn't stop him from preaching, though! lol For Sunni practicing Muslims, we follow both the Holy Book called the Qu'ran, and then sayings and practices of our Prophet in a collection called 'Hadiths'. For example, the Qu'ran says to pray, but the Hadith teaches us HOW to pray. As for the beard, there is an authentic narration that commands men to "Trim (or cut) the moustache down and leave the beard to grow". This is why you will see a lot of Muslim men around the world sporting beards. (similarly with the Amish, you will see their men having beards too because they try to follow their religion as closely as possible, Leviticus 19:27). There are Muslim men who don't grow beards and women who don't cover their hair, but they are still Muslims as long as they don't claim our religion doesn't require it. It is acknowledged as a sin. The idea of optional is tricky because even if a place is Muslim-majority, the governments or communities don't necessarily follow complete Islamic law. I think the most known is Taliban-controlled parts of Afghanistan, where they try to implement (divine) laws for both men and women. Reports show that men in certain parts are now banned from shaving the beard. I hope this helps and answers your question!

[@AkA-sw7rl]

Question: if a woman who clearly adheres to the whole hijab 🧕 style and at the same time chooses to wear flashy luxury brands in sunglasses, belts, handbags, scarfs etc. - is this then considered as modest? I really do not know, thoughts?

[@softwaifu]

Honestly wild how the concept of quiet "old money" in the american 1920's managed to rebrand having to hide your family's ties to either the Confederacy or England 😂

[@morganlefay999]

As someone who is a pagan and does not subscribe to traditional abrahamic religion ideals. I would just like to say you should be respected regardless of what you are wearing.

[@kay-fg8zy]

People are lost … they get so crazy over celebrities who don’t care about them at all

[@sn0okums10]

I love my pretty long dresses.

[@IceCream-hp7mm]

I hate the idea of modest fashion tbh but don't think Sophia is dressing modestly, she just stoped wearing eye watering ugly outfits, but mostly her perceived behavior is what really changed, she looked trashy not completely because she was showing "excess" skin but her poses and pda with her former bf. Megan Markle & Kate dressed just normal and after started wearing more polished versions of "professional" clothes that I would not really consider modest either.

[@MsUnknown007]

The difference also is u were being forced to put on the hijabi by a young age

[@nothoughtsjustvibes1303]

No one owns it. People are allowed to wear whatever the fuck they want c

[@Squirrellium]

Muslim women put it on the map.

[@pyrophoresist1497]

FAX!

[@PoSHEmediaglobal]

I used to love her style. She dressed very similar to Haley beiber

[@samaissak7589]

Elliot from the magicians?

[@nothanksmegan]

I don’t have a right to disrespect a dress code for places I don’t pay taxes too. If I go to Italy, I respect the dress code when I enter cathedrals. I would do the same in a predominately Muslim country. I wish other people would too. “Change” shouldn’t be forced by outsiders who don’t understand.

[@ellahopkinson]

Lets be honest, the rich people own everything 😂😅

[@imalrockme]

The problem that is never addressed is that Christian Modesty, or even Jewish Orthodox, Amish, are allways an option. You can get kicked out of the tribe or disowned but, hey, at least you're free. While in muslim religion, being born to it, or choosing to convert, it stops being an option. Stop talking purely about aesthetics, it's misleading.

[@allenmontrasio8962]

Many young muslim women in France wear hijab as a political statement.

[@fatemad4012]

Hijab is business 😅

[@honeyfigdarling]

silly debate. the human condition will always seize to come into homeostasis. one doesnt have to be religious to be modest and vice versa.

[@elite7329]

Somebody who isn't modest is lt religious, just like somebody who acts mean is not a kind person despite idealizing kindness.

[@ladydiaspora807]

Devout Christian,Jewish and Muslim women are modest

[@valyav.2248]

Muslim ladies have always been classy in manners and morals as well as fashions first.

[@judyabbott2812]

Y’all so dramatic on Tiktok

[@randomnyss2011]

Modest fashion issues 1) no issues as such , wewr whatever you want . However, i actually hate the religious angle to it. I mean come on god is going to judge me over a piece of clothing, we were all naked humans for 99.99 percent time on earth. And another problem is one wear modest clothes as a relationship with god, not to appear a nice girl ultimately to appeal to boys. I mean women use brains.

[@HillbillyYEEHAA]

Its rare to see a Muslim wearing fashionable clothes in real life. The majority of Muslims around me, wear black. You don't think old money when you look at a Muslim because they wear mostly black. I see alot of fashionable Muslims on here that fit old money though.

[@FoundSheep-AN]

Modesty is religious

[@janettewong9900]

Something to be said about the “pick me” girls’ internalized misogyny that overlaps with religion Wonder how the blonde hair blue eyed Mormon girls that make that their brand are reacting. I remember them coming down hard in Lindsay Stirling (the pop violinist) for not being modest enough, a more internal community dogpile

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[@searneak2679]

maybe because Islam is far from a common religion in Europe? Can you imagine that

[@alphacause]

While dressing in a showy and explicit fashion, with flagrant displays of flashy logos, is nothing new, I think this behavior was elevated to new heights by hip-hop culture. Of all the cultural movements that have come and gone, none glorify excess and braggadocios displays of wealth more so than hip-hop culture. Its probably why I revile it so much. Hip-hop has been a cancer to music, language, and to the way people behave.