Who Produced the First Form of the Torah? What is the Documentary Hypothesis?

[@arthurbostic1963]

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Mosheh, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

[@i82996]

I am a nuclear engineer with an MDiv. I wrote many letters (shadow authored) to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (look for the initials ALG) over many years still in the public record that few could understand unless they had the technical training, of which no one can ascribe to me except by my (and others involved) testimony. I wrote over 110 papers in a completely different style and subject with my name on them as author for my MDiv degree. No individual, computer, even AI analysis of a comparison of these two types of self authored documents could or will ever ascertain identical authorship without my attestation. The whole issue of literary analysis of documents is based on the underlying assumption of discounting altogether the traditional understanding of facts (why would generations of believers lie?). Therefore, I am living evidence of the weakness of documentary analysis.

[@noahlarson1861]

OK, so.... what do you mean by nuclear engineer? Do you design or build reactors, weapons, work on nuclear medicine...? I have a question for you if you work in the right area.

[@daviddoch4872]

yes but a philologist would know that a book in Shakespeare English then a paragraph in 1980s English shows writing in two different authors and eras

[@GatheringJacob]

@@i82996 you are foolish for singing your own praises. No one cares about your degree! It’s wisdom that is valuable, and that only comes from being in the presence of the almighty and allowing Him to reveal His word to you. The little fruit I see from this comment is rotten fruit, and will prove to be invaluable in the Kingdom of Elohim! If you seek the approval and praise of men, you have your reward already and will NOT receive a reward of in the Kingdom. I am unimpressive with you, which I am sure you could care less, but I want you to know anyway, just as a testimony and warning.

[@dunoze]

So sad that our teachers and leaders continue to be misinformed . I remember a friend of mine that went to Bible College and it nearly destroyed his faith .

[@rickyratcomics]

Yikes, yeah, college is cringe

[@deitrichhenderson2078]

It's protestantism.

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

@@deitrichhenderson2078 what do you mean by your statement? I need to be educated.

[@wendycarty6958]

Studying theology made me change my faith. It made me realize that the Trinity is made up. I definitely left the church after that. I am so glad I studied theology. It made me a better person and a true believer of JHWH.

[@carriestout6422]

I went to a Bible College and took the Pentateuch. The professor in charge of the class said there was no proof that Moses existed, no proof of the Israelites in Egypt, and that Genesis 1-11 was nothing but Babylonian myths. I knew he was wrong. I watched the first Patterns of Evidence, which gave me hope Moses existed. I did tell my professor what I found, and was afraid he would fail me, but he said that he applauded students who thought outside the box. I did question my faith, but I also knew that with the very words Jesus said that Moses existed, and that he was responsible for Torah. I would often quote what Jesus wrote in papers, and ask how people that did not believe that Moses existed or Israel did not live in Egypt cannot believe the words of the Savior they all claim to worship. Jesus was perfect, and He was God. He knew what happened because He is the one who Spoke to Moses as the Word of God.

[@geoffreybudge3027]

How beautiful that the word was sung so that all those who could not read could remember the word in song

[@andrewferg8737]

"Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus" (Matthew 17)

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Both Jews and Christians have always considered the Torah/Pentateuch to be Mosaic in origin. The objection that Deuteronomy includes an account of Moses' death is not really a problem. The end of Deuteronomy could simply have been added by Joshua.

[@dessiewatkins1006]

Can't detractors comprehend that Moses was writing in third person past tense. Ancient scribes were familiar with this form- This'third person' point of narration was referred to as The Holy Spirit- being disconnected from the prophet's physical flesh and bone mortality.

[@KenJackson_US]

Apparently one of the claims of the DH, not mentioned here, was that supposedly Hebrew wasn't a written language back when Moses wrote. But archeologist Dr.Douglas Petrovich decoded several rock carvings in and around Egypt that have defied being decoded for a century. He proved they are actually paleo Hebrew! So yes, the Israelites had a written language for hundreds of years before the Exodus.

[@rossario376]

When I was a young Christian what I believed in my spirit was God, said to me in a dream " MY WORD IS GOOD " . In whatever way your faith may be challenged, just remember what God said to you.

[@thomasdykstra100]

God has granted each person an assurance of His character and authority with an innate witness of 'conscience', to the truth of which the testimony of His Spirit attests (Romans 7).

[@rolandorolandorolando6554]

They all have 1 leg in the grave and still won’t humble themselves before The Lord of Glory, The Lord of All.

[@thomasdykstra100]

Both legs..."DEAD in sins and trespasses".

[@kvelez]

3:05 Interesting. 3:55 Good note. 4:27 Good explanation. 6:54 Great note. 13:55 Excellent info. 17:06 I see. 18:32 Parallels. 20:40 Makes sense. 23:11 Perfect. 25:02 I didn't know that.

[@AnonNorwegianPartiot]

A major problem with the documentary hypothesis is that it is trying to he unfaslifiable. Whenever someone brings forth an example where the J source has for example E theology or something of the sort, the response is that it's a redactor. This they cannot possibly prove, but they still maintain it has to be so otherwise the theory doesn't hold up. In that sense I think the DH has very little value and it cannot hold up it's claims without circular reasoning

[@markita.hardenhome]

Exactly! I said the same thing. They're essentially flat out GUESSING. And states their guesses as if they're proven facts. Other ancient documents can have ONE author but the Bible is a mash up is such a biased way of approaching the text. These 'scholars' aren't being honest

[@evelyny7037]

The 1800s were a time of man trusting himself… God promised to preserve His Words forever. It matters what and in whom we believe.. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7, KJB)

[@ericneiman5556]

The equal distance skip code in the torah is a fascinating revaluation

[@zilpah9890]

The book called the Torah code is fascinating!

[@loisleonard9436]

It will be so great when God returns and the actual truth is revealed. Very soon.

[@wendycarty6958]

I dont believe anyone is returning. We have to clean up our own mess..

[@loisleonard9436]

@@wendycarty6958 you are going to be very surprised

[@wendycarty6958]

@@loisleonard9436 I wont because believe me. I stopped believing 20 years ago that anyone is coming. If he does it will be no problem because I know the Torah .

[@loisleonard9436]

@@wendycarty6958 HE WILL soon🫠😇

[@karengaskin8917]

Thank you for sharing this information ... I tried to find info on the documentary hypothesis and got confused... this is an excellent explanation.

[@lindanwfirefighter4973]

Gen chapter 1 uses only Elohim when speaking of himself in his creation, but in Gen chapter 2 it changes to YHVH Elohim as he goes on to talk about His creation of man and the garden of Eden. God loved his creation of man. He loves us dearly.

[@rolandorolandorolando6554]

God haters who believe that the God who created the whole universe has no power to preserve His Word these people are working in conjunction with the kingdom of Darkness.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

"God" is not a name, It's a title. Kind of confusing what I'm supposed to think of people who are supposed to be knowledgeable and refer to "Elohim/God" as a name. Details matter.

[@kevinlee5753]

The curse tablet debunks the entire documentary hypothesis

[@thedude9941]

Did it really debunk the hypothesis though? I haven't seen much information about the curse tablet, since it was discovered and all the tablet seems to show is that Israel was worshipping YHWH, in the second millennium BC. I may have missed something, if so can you post a link to some other research I wasn't aware of?

[@INFINITUMSPIRIT]

@@thedude9941 yes you have missed something, while the bible says the Israelites worshiped Yahweh for sometime and then worshiped baal modern Scholars say that Yahweh was originally a Canaanite god and had a wife called Asherah (Which is the Israelites worshiped after Exodus “Queen of heaven”) and say the Israelites after the Babylonian exile started monotheism thousands about thousands of years later than the bible says and then the documentary hypothesis happened but the curse tablet tells us that Israelites were Monotheistic before the Babylonian exile about from 1225 BC and polytheism came later but was then finished again but still many atheists reject that Israelites were in Egypt so this is the problem

[@Kaz.Klay.]

It means the ceremony with if blessings and curses happened as it's written... Hallelujah and a triple amen!

[@lou4958]

Interesting 🤔

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so very much !

[@richgeshel8735]

YHWH, God, produced the first Torah. Moses was his scribe.

[@GODandGODDESS]

Mosaic authorship is repeatedly questioned in this video, but you believe in JESUS CHRIST. . In MARK 12:26, JESUS CHRIST confirmed Mosaic authorship: . MARK 12:26, “And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?” (ESV) . At 11:57 in this video, a speaker says, "Even if you say, 'Well, didn't Isaiah write the book of ISAIAH ?', Where does it say that in the book of ISAIAH 'I'm writing this ?', No, it's not stated, and its a--even Mosaic authorship is a later idea". . Isaiah did indicate that he wrote the book of ISAIAH: . ISAIAH 1:1, "The vision of Isaiah...". . Furthermore, Isaiah repeatedly referred to himself in the 1st person. . ISAIAH 6:1, “In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.” (NLT). . ISAIAH 8:1, “Then the LORD said to me, “Take a large tablet and write on it in common characters, ‘Belonging to Maher-shalal-hash-baz.’” (NLT). . ISAIAH 18:4, “For the LORD has told me this: “I will watch quietly from my dwelling place- as quietly as the heat rises on a summer day, or as the morning dew forms during the harvest.” (NLT). . ISAIAH 21:12, “A stern vision is told to me; the traitor betrays, and the destroyer destroys. Go up, O Elam; lay siege, O Media; all the sighing she has caused I bring to an end.” (ESV). .

[@johnmichaelson9173]

I think you're missing the point of what they're doing & why they're doing it.

[@kl4888]

I think it takes more faith to believe that Moses didn’t write the first 5 books of the Bible. Why do we have to get all convoluted instead of believing what the Word of God says?

[@jessicabrock8667]

Moses was on the mountain 40 days and crucified upside down . Yeshua was in the wilderness tempted by the devil 40 days crucified. Every new testament scriptures always refers back to the new testament

[@kl4888]

@@jessicabrock8667 where is it said that Moses was crucified? “So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD, and he buried him in the valley in the land of Moab opposite Beth-peor; but no one knows the place of his burial to this day. Deuteronomy 34:5-6 If I remember correctly, tradition is that the apostle Peter asked to be crucified upside down because he didn’t feel worthy to be crucified in the exact manner as Jesus.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Moses died of old age on the mountain, just before Joshua led the people into the Promised Land. He was allowed to see the Promised Land but not enter it, because of the incident at Massah/Meribah.

[@Moodboard39]

@@michaelhaywood8262 yea

[@Moodboard39]

@@jessicabrock8667 Stop inventing shit up

[@jeffreybrannen9465]

Two core assumptions of the Documentary Hypothesis: 1.) All religions are the product of evolutionary processes. Beginning with a fear of the dark, then worshiping spirits, then gods, then finally monotheism. The E source is the “gods phase” and the J source is the “monotheistic phase “. The other documents are situationally driven. The D source is King Josiah wanting to foist his religious reforms on the nation by claiming divine authority. The P source is wanting to elevate the priests to the highest authority during Ezra’s time so they can be in charge. It is entirely cynical and racist (who can trust the Jews anyway if they are always lying about everything, including their Bible). 2.) Moses was illiterate. Whether you take the late date of 1440 BC or the early 1250 BC for the Exodus, Moses couldn’t have written the Pentateuch because the alphabet didn’t exist yet. Also, Moses is a mythical figure like King Arthur. But if he did exist, the only way for these stories to have been passed down was orally. This is why rock inscriptions in Sinai and the recently discovered lead curse tablet are so important. They keep pushing back the date of the origin of the alphabetic script

[@GONAVYDAS05]

As I understood to the secular’s’ adding 200-ish extra years, Dan 7:25 came to mind. Satan’s been changing times for a LONG time.

[@mcmillanbmg]

Mt. Ebal curse tablet does say EL YHW

[@seankennedy4284]

On Professor Emeritus Douglas A. Knight supporting the Documentary Hypothesis, here's a brief excerpt which illuminates more fully his worldview, found in his 2011 book, _Law, Power, and Justice in Ancient Israel,_ 2011 : _"The geographical term preferred in this book will be "ancient Southwest Asia" rather than "ancient Near East" inasmuch as the latter, although conventional in scholarly discussions, is rooted in the colonial period of European hegemony over the region."_ (Page 9, Footnote 2) NOTE : This info was discovered via an Amazon perusal...I've not purchased and read it. I question the wisdom of doing so.

[@terencewinters2154]

J, E, D, and P. Oral traditions precede writing . In many ways authorship is a catching up process to events and personages already having occurred. In sum its very reflexive but at the same time solidifying the group commonalities. Humans experienced the numinous experience of God testified to it and these scribes recorded these experiences.. Divine inspiration was part of numinous experience testimony to the scribes who in turn felt divinely inspired. In some ways this is a patchwork process. The cohesiveness is the centrality of God's presence among those experiencing .

[@Bimfirestarter]

'Yahweh - in the minds of the Documentary Hypothesizers - is connected to The Law' might be a more accurate statement, because clearly that name was known since the beginning of human history in a Biblical sense. It occurs several times throughout Genesis, in quotes from Eve to Abraham and others.

[@canadiankewldude]

*_Eph _**_6:12_**_ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places._* *_-KJB_* Enlightenment, the Light Bearer, Lucifer.(All those Church's with a Flame Logo)

[@honorablevessel]

11:09 What a very disingenuous thing to say. If he KNEW that the Bible was written by the creator of all things, he absolutely would assign more value to the book than if it were just the creative stories of numerous people.

[@LIVECallin]

THANK YOU

[@rolandorolandorolando6554]

“Let God be true and everyman a liar.”

[@Moodboard39]

Lol every men is

[@johnmichaelson9173]

You can't beat religion for meaningless quotes, smh.

[@gunavkrp5156]

No matter how man may try to write or rewrite them, if it's by inspiration of God, the words of truth will always remain as truth. Zech 14:9 And YHVH will be king (to reign) over all the earth; It shall be in that day YHVH one, and His name one והיה יהוה למלך על כל הארץ ביום ההוא יהיה יהוה אחד ושמו אחד׃ 👉 And YHVH Shall reign over all the earth, And in that one day, Yehoshua shall be the (only) One Elohim (God) והיה יהוה למלך כל הארץ וביום אחד והיה יהושוע האלהים האחד 👉 And YHVH shall reign over all the earth, And in that one day Yehoshua shall be the (only) One for them והיה יהוה למלך כל הארץ וביום אחד יהיה יהושוע הוא האחד להם 👉 And YHVH shall reign over all the earth in that day, and they shall know the Messiah He is the (only) One והיה יהוה למלך כל הארץ ביום ההוא והיה ידעו למשיח הוא האחד YHVH = His Name = Yehoshua = Messiah = His Son = Elohim

[@gunavkrp5156]

Job 28:18 No mention shall be made of coral or quartz, For the price of wisdom is above rubies. ראמות וגביש לא יזכר ומשך חכמה מפנינים׃ 👉 You (the proud) shall say : "In the nation there is no remembrance of your name ; So Who is the face of the Messiah ?" תאמרו בגוי לא זכר שמך וכן מי פנים המשיח 👉 You (God) shall say to the proud (to) remember my/your name, (so) they shall turn back to the Messiah who is like your/my Son תאמר לגאים זכרו שמי יפנו המשיח כמו בנך תאמר לגאים זכרו שמך יפנו המשיח כמו בני 🕎 ( "המשיח כמו בני" i.e. "ומי כבנך ? המשיח - And who is like your Son? The Messiah " "מי כבנו ? המשיח - Who is like my Son ? The Messiah " ) 👉 You (God) shall say: "the nation/gentile who remember your name will turn to the Messiah like (little) children" תאמר גוי זכר שמך יפנו אל המשיח כמו בנים ➣ Ps 14:1,53:1 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God (Elohim)” ➣ Isa 2:12 For the day of the YHVH of hosts shall come upon everything proud and lofty, Upon everything lifted up and it shall be brought low ➣ Deu 32:21 They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God (EL); They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols. But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a people; I will move them to anger by a foolish nation (בגוי) ➣ Isa 65:1 I was sought by those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’ To a nation that was not called by My name ➣ Isa 55:5 Surely you shall call a nation you do not know, and nations who do not know you shall run to you ➣ 1Cor 1:21-29 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe … but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men… But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence ➣ Hos 14:9 Who is wise? Let him understand these things. Who is prudent? Let him know them. For the ways of YHVH are right; The righteous walk in them, But transgressors stumble in them ➣ Matt 18:3 Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

[@thomasdykstra100]

Yes, plenary inerrancy of what has been written: "Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth." Not to forget Christ Himself, the 'Torah' Incarnate--by Whom "the Way, Truth and Life" is made manifest in the manner required by the Father!

[@5magpiesuk]

A.I. analysis might shed some light on this.

[@tourdesource]

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say Moses wrote the whole thing by himself. It's just a weird hill to die on.

[@urlyadoptr]

Wow. All these scholars and not ONE mention of the priest/scribe Ezra. When he returned from Babylon he oversaw the re-writing of all the destroyed texts. All over 1400 years before our oldest hebrew manuscript. I wonder if this theory stands up to findings in the DSS. Oh and as far as the use of different divine names, I would posit that circumlocution came into greater use in the days of Ezra hence the difference in texts. It was recounted in the book he wrote known as 2 Esdras/4 Ezra. 2Es 14:40 And I took it, and drank: and when I had drunk of it, my heart uttered understanding, and wisdom grew in my breast, for my spirit strengthened my memory: 2Es 14:41 And my mouth was opened, and shut no more. 2Es 14:42 The Highest gave understanding unto the five men, and they wrote the wonderful visions of the night that were told, which they knew not: and they sat forty days, and they wrote in the day, and at night they ate bread. 2Es 14:43 As for me. I spake in the day, and I held not my tongue by night. 2Es 14:44 In forty days they wrote two hundred and four books. (some read 94 books) 2Es 14:45 And it came to pass, when the forty days were filled, that the Highest spoke, saying, The first that thou hast written publish openly, that the worthy and unworthy may read it: 2Es 14:46 But keep the seventy last, that thou mayest deliver them only to such as be wise among the people: 2Es 14:47 For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge. 2Es 14:48 And I did so.

[@hglundahl]

5:57 The name Adonai was not revealed to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But it had been revealed _already_ before the Flood.

[@michelg.rabbat2267]

This is Michel Gamil RABBAT I Florida. ..one day my driver in Lagos was telling me about someone then he pointed at someone on the sidewalkHE HE BE HIM..iYYAH HUWWEH means the same..People do not think of He brew as a language ..Elohim..Adonai are NOT names they mean God In plural for respect...the Lord..Baruch Hash ADONAI Elehenu

[@johnrogers7772]

Richard Freidman's book 'Who Wrote the Bible (2nd Ed.) provides an excellent explanation of the Documentary Hypothesis. Freidman's 2017 book 'The Exodus' provides the best explanation for the origin of the Exodus story (hint - look at the tribe without a land inheritance). The scholars in this presentation provide a very shallow explanation - unfortunately.

[@patricktilton5377]

Agreed! This PATTERNS OF EVIDENCE documentary interviews only those Bible scholars of a conservative slant, people who for religious reasons are predisposed to reject the very idea of the DH, rather than including scholars like Friedman, who wrote the definitive book for laymen on the topic. The text of DEUTERONOMY has, at its end, this phrase -- "And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, none like him for all the signs and the wonders which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and to all his servants and to all his land, and for all the mighty power and all the great and terrible deeds which Moses wrought in the sight of all Israel" [34:10-12]. The very wording doesn't make sense unless the writer is speaking from a standpoint far enough in the future from the time of Moses for the audience to get the idea that Moses was unique. After all, we're supposed to believe that his successor, Joshua ben Nun, was able to call upon God to stop the Sun and Moon from going around the sky for an entire day (!), a miracle which makes those of Moses seem paltry by comparison! Whenever the 'author' of a part of the text refers to things from way back when and then compares them to what his audience knows -- "since that day" -- the very wording implies that a considerable amount of time has passed since the events described. Just look up the word "since" in a concordance, and chances are it's a passage where the Redactor is harkening back to an old-time event and comparing it to his own day. Friedman's book is a must-read, and makes a whole lotta sense. But a Bible-believing Christian will forever reject the notion because Jesus is quoted in the Gospels as endorsing the notion that Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

[@elijahhodges4405]

I have no doubt that Joseph began the Torah. Others rewrote the Torah many times over. Wanting a little recognition for their work was normal enough.

[@Bimfirestarter]

8:39 - 8:48 ☝️ -This guy gets it right. In the Bible, God has ONE name - Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH. 'Elohim is merely one of several common terms translated as 'God', which is never spoken of by Yahweh as 'my name' etc; only Yahweh carries that designation.

[@floydfanboy2948]

Exactly. The name is in the Bible almost 7000 times. But has been replaced with titles in later times, like Lord. But YHWH is his name.

[@GatheringJacob]

Elohim is what YHWH is, which is the almighty one, it is not a name at all!

[@daviddoch4872]

what written script was around at the Tine of Abraham or even Moses?

[@wendyjvh]

The first author was Enoch. He wrote a book named after himself. Written before the flood. Noah would've had a copy of it on the ark.

[@RepairerofthebreachEx.20.8-10]

²⁵ Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ²⁶ Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? ²⁷ And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. *-Luke 24:25-27* ⁴⁶ For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. ⁴⁷ But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? *-John 5:46-47*

[@GatheringJacob]

Elohim is not a name of “God”. It is a title. YHWH is the name of Elohim.

[@markita.hardenhome]

I get annoyed when they imply that ancient Jews were illiterate..... unable to read and write

[@KenJackson_US]

What good would the Word of God be if a bunch of different authors perverted it willy-nilly throughout history?

[@honorablevessel]

Exactly. If you have faith in God, then you must have faith that He protected his message so that it could reach the masses that would come millennia later.

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[@michaecarney2626]

The books were influenced by the captivity,are you forgetting this?

[@johnstephanos1128]

The Torah was written by the Persian Babylonians.

[@TVi-jm8ns]

Now could those be titles and manifestations? whereas, if somebody asks you who you are most people always respond with a title of what they do not who they truly are, but what they identify with, and that is always part of the material world. Example, I am a doctor, I am a nurse, I am a construction worker, etc. Now, with that being said, I believe, and this is my personal understanding that Yeshua said to know yourself, and you will be known instead of knowing what you do know who you are from my heart relationship and union with the divine and understand that the divine has always been a spark of God within you, and that is in Torah and every other ancient book, we can find that we have the privilege to read today. Most of this has been hidden from humanity therefore easier to control people by manipulation and fear. I'm not attempting to start a controversy. I'm tempting to start critical thinking therefore I hope when you read this that is what is conveyed to you.

[@rockzalt]

There is no doubt that the ancient Israelites did write things down. To claim that oral tradition was the method of preserving information and later copied down is conjecture.

[@carstenmanz302]

How could Moses (or possibly Aaron?) have written anything in "proto-Hebrew" when he grew up in Egypt and there was no Hebrew writing at all? The oldest proto-Hebrew tiny text fragment is dated to 700 B.C., a certain development time may be added. So Moses should have "received/written" the Ten Commandments and all other texts in Egyptian language/writing, or not?

[@fliporhold]

They all ignore the testament of the patriarchs..

[@gwentomlinson4205]

It is the very Word of God written down. Read Systematic Theology on the truthfulness of the Scripture

[@Just-a-girl]

It seems to me that the evolution of scripture makes it simply another good read by these scholars, in the process knee capping God. My only issue with all of this is the many scrolls that were discarded in dry caves simply because the reproduction from the original may have had a mere jot or tittle wrong..

[@rolandorolandorolando6554]

That man in the blue shirt hates God just won’t admit it.

[@Moodboard39]

Yea, I could see that . Total denial. Can't even admit

[@zilpah9890]

If Moses wrote the Torah he knew Gods name and used if freely in his writings. That doesn't mean te Abraham used that name.

[@gunavkrp5156]

Job 28:18 No mention shall be made of coral or quartz, For the price of wisdom is above rubies. ראמות וגביש לא יזכר ומשך חכמה מפנינים׃ 👉 You (the proud) shall say : "In the nation there is no remembrance of your name ; So Who is the face of the Messiah ?" תאמרו בגוי לא זכר שמך וכן מי פנים המשיח 👉 You (God) shall say to the proud (to) remember my/your name, (so) they shall turn back to the Messiah who is like your/my Son תאמר לגאים זכרו שמי יפנו המשיח כמו בנך תאמר לגאים זכרו שמך יפנו המשיח כמו בני 🕎 ( "המשיח כמו בני" i.e. "ומי כבנך ? המשיח - And who is like your Son? The Messiah " "מי כבנו ? המשיח - Who is like my Son ? The Messiah " ) 👉 You (God) shall say: "the nation/gentile who remember your name will turn to the Messiah like (little) children" תאמר גוי זכר שמך יפנו אל המשיח כמו בנים ➣ Ps 14:1,53:1 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God (Elohim)” ➣ Isa 2:12 For the day of the YHVH of hosts shall come upon everything proud and lofty, Upon everything lifted up and it shall be brought low ➣ Deu 32:21 They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God (EL); They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols. But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a people; I will move them to anger by a foolish nation (בגוי) ➣ Isa 65:1 I was sought by those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’ To a nation that was not called by My name ➣ Isa 55:5 Surely you shall call a nation you do not know, and nations who do not know you shall run to you ➣ 1Cor 1:21-29 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe … but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men… But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence ➣ Hos 14:9 Who is wise? Let him understand these things. Who is prudent? Let him know them. For the ways of YHVH are right; The righteous walk in them, But transgressors stumble in them ➣ Matt 18:3 Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

[@thomasdykstra100]

Praise Him, for revealing it to the childlike and "concealing" from the conceited and the rebellious....

[@jamesdavidray2468]

Lol only missing the witness of the Holy Spirit

[@Olivetreedisciples3887]

His name is EHYAH. He told Moses, at the burning bush, EHYAH ASHER EHYAH--> I AM that I AM. Aleph Hey yod hey. He is the Aleph --> the beginning of all things.

[@honorablevessel]

That is a self-descriptive title of God. The personal name is YHVH.

[@robinellis6237]

... name. . . . .

[@RepairerofthebreachEx.20.8-10]

⁴ Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: *-Deuteronomy 6:4* ⁶ Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. *-Isaiah 44:6* ²⁹ And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ³⁰ And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. ³¹ And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. ³² And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: *-Mark 12:29-32* ¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. *-John 1:14* ³ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. *-John 17:3* ⁴ As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. ⁵ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) ⁶ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. *-1 Corinthians 8:4-6* ⁵ For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; *-1 Timothy 2:5* ⁴⁶ For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. ⁴⁷ But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? *-John 5:46-47*

[@petestorz172]

Moses and Israel could not possibly be literate, because I believe they weren't. Writers never vary in style, even when the type of literature they are writing is different, because I believe that. There had to have been multiple writers even though there is no evidence of this, because I want to believe that. The Torah had to have been written after the Babylonian Captivity, because I want that to be true. The Documentary Hypothesis could be summarized: Moses didn't write the Torah in the 15th Century BC because propounders of the Hypothesis want to believe it, with zero evidence.

[@petestorz172]

JEDP must be because Moses CANNOT be!

[@flolou8496]

There is no such thing as official study of the un-natural , that would carry official ''status'' in society, like a court of law for example, So the very concept of studying the supernatural (as in the case of the Old Testament) is contradictory to a secular scholarly approach to literature. But God and his words by definition are ''super natural'' and ''un natural'' from an academic sense.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

"Two different Patriarchs are record doing the same (parallel) thing." "Well this is proof of different authors" "No, this is proof of the same author" Well, what if It's just a true account and they both did the same thing? Like father like son. It's proof of nothing at all.

[@thomasdykstra100]

"...to some degree, different theologies (0:52)". Actually, one's 'theology' must conform to the that in the Mind of Christ, and accord with His teaching and moral demonstration (the 'Torah' Incarnate), and any variance ("difference") from that conformity is consequentially fatal to both one's claims about God and his/her pleasure of the Father's will. Jesus Christ IS the Word of God, Its Alpha and Omega...

[@wendycarty6958]

You believe that theology is linked to Christ not necessarily

[@wendycarty6958]

JHWH is the Alpha and the omega for me not Christ.

[@michaecarney2626]

Jews would rather gentiles not try to study that which was not written for them not for the gentiles

[@marywhite5876]

We are all one in Y'Shua Jew or Gentile.

[@michaecarney2626]

@@marywhite5876 the gentiles do not keep the law ,Jesus was a jew,Paul made up Christianity james,banished him from Jerusalem,Paul was Greek,but not a few,just like herod and the high priests,Jesus came to purify the law and the temple,the greeks killed, the Roman's looked on,and Paul knew covers would not become jews,so ,he ditched everything,created his law,and started ANTISEMITICISM,Note if you read protestant scripture to was mainly concerned with economics,taking back money from Rome,England dissolved monasteries,Germany,up taxes on goods flowing in their rivers,and churches,and universities,both groups slaughtered anabaptists,quakers,peasants,the leaders of the reformation attacked each other,they were mentally ill,Luther repented on his death bed,Calvin and knox died of venereal disease.

[@jessicabrock8667]

As a Jew I am now messanic but I encourage you to understand Hebrew letters. It reveals so much of Yahweh heart. There is so much division . Please don't let a few bad fruits of what I like to call religion bad on the whole group. The Torah is a light. When you study look at the new testament and when you study you will see every new testament verses go back to the old testament. There are 4 layers of bible understanding of the bible. If you have any questions I will help you best I can. For instance Moses was up on the mountain 40 days and crucified on top of the mountain upside down. Yeshua (Jesus ) was in the wilderness 40 days tempted by the devil and crucified on a cross. Another example Yahweh says not to take two types of seeds ,animals and breed together. Science has taken different plants and animals and breed together that they put GMOs in that are causing cancer from the chemicals. Pork we don't eat. But here is why I don't. People say it's because Yahweh had all the laws. He gave us these laws to protect you. You can research this. But they cut all cancer out of the pigs etc before giving it to you. The sad part of some Jews just like what the bible calls gentiles is it is inwardly not showing it outwardly. .talking about GMOs , we got some apples , thought they were organic. My son came got me and said mama there are seeds growing roots inside the apple. Imagine what it's doing to you when you put that in your body. Torah says we should if never been paying for water that was given to us by God. But the world found a way to make money off it what was to be a gift to his people. In Greek sorcerer word is pharmacy. Hebrew it is kasaph. There's alot all sides of religion don't speak of. Makes you wonder who all are really working together.

[@lornasmithson4918]

And the gentiles will forever try to transliterated a language that was not given to them, that's why we have 385 version of bibles, and they still won't figured it out because the language was nit for them, but yo Yisrael only.

[@jessicabrock8667]

@@lornasmithson4918 Iserael is speaking of the whole church speaking of Hashem people. All tribes. Being divided against each other will only do harm. Torah and his word is a light not darkness by putting each other down. May Yahweh bless you and keep you always.

[@michaecarney2626]

Mimonadises

[@michaecarney2626]

Corruption of spanish

[@michaelhaywood8262]

What do you mean?

[@williameubanks8078]

They present a very over simplified explanation of the Documentary Hypothesis. It is not just the names of God that are involved there are other internal evidences considered also. This could mislead many people who are looking for honest answers.

[@jeffreybrannen9465]

Yes. There are doublets and repetitions within the same section that, in the surface, have little in common.

[@JK-zl7vv]

It's crazy how anyone can except books written 600 to 1400 years later, by people that had no connection to the so called originators of who they say the information came from, then take that book as Devine. The Bible is the only true and factual book, that can be discerned to the original author's of the writings. Also the Quran removes Jesus as the Son of God, and in the end times, the Quran has the antichrist as the one to worship, but the bible, has Jesus as the one to worship as the Son of God, the rolls are flipped from what the bible says, accordingly to what the Quran teaches, so the muslims will be worshipping the antichrist, while the Christians will worship Jesus, the Son of God.

[@samuelchen3922]

Wow I’ve never seen so many strawman arguments in one place. If you’re making this video, you must realize that a public understanding of source theory is widening. However misrepresentation followed by unevidenced assertions. The explanatory power of the source theory is confirmed not by the different names of the J and E texts, but the fact that when separated, become resolved of the tensions between doublets. This is further evidenced by vocabulary of the authors and their political leanings. If anyone wants to see a fair representation of the documentary hypothesis, search “Richard Elliot Friedman J E D P” and “Kipp Davis documentary hypothesis”. The irony of these professors who attempt to discredit rational thought and the enlightenment so that they may make the case for reading documents as history from a time when superstition was rampant and they did not yet have science nor historical method. Those of you who are believers should understand that poorly constructed and dishonest arguments found in this video, are some of the reasons your numbers continue to decrease in countries which are not third world.

[@AnthonySmith-mx1dn]

All this mystery talk. Well if you just admit Moses was Akhenaten then we can see clearly. Joseph was Yuya. He was buried in one of the 6 northern tombs. He took the bones of Yuya when he left Amarna. His mother was also taken. Akhenaten took the ark from the pyramid. He also had the bowl of khafre. The essene praised him. The day of Aton ment. He has risen. With a stretched out arm as he did when giving offerings to the light. Gabriel is with him.

[@honorablevessel]

ROTFL!!!

[@danieljoldenkamp2170]

not true. whatlies. read the scholarship.

[@rodney1818]

Blasphemers May yidhAavay save your soul before it's too late

[@valerieprice1745]

These guys are just showing they're hand. They're misrepresenting the Scriptures authorship based on the fact that these guys could NEVER write like that, much less write accurate prophecy. They can't even figure out the many layers of prophecy. They have no clue. No humans could have created the Scriptures without God, and Moses wrote Genesis. This is totally ridiculous. Obviously, they have no clue about all the amazing layers of meaning are imbedded in the Hebrew texts.

[@Moodboard39]

Noo, God made them a nation ...just not to believe..

[@johnstephanos1128]

I wonder what kind of impairment which allows the blind scholars, to overlook things. You cant ignore certain evidence and hypothesis to draw up conclusions. Moses and the Israelites were never in Egpt. The Egyptian hypothesis was never scientifically proven. Ethiopian hypothesis of Moses and the Hebrews had truth to the Israelite, Jewish history. The Hebrew bible is a Babylonian product written by Babylonian Persians that has myths and tales and contradictions. For example, Moses never spoke Hebrew because he predates it. Moses existed in the 14th-15th century BCE. Hebrew existed about 1 000 years later when Judaism was established after the exile. So Moses never spoke it. Scholars believe that he spoke Egyptian only but the Egyptian hypothesis isnt proven. It is being overlooked that he spoke Geez. The Ethiopic Torah and Bibles are the oldest and written in Geez which is also older than Arabic and Hebrew by over a thousand years. The Egyptian Hieroglyphics uses symbols from the Geez script. Ethiopians have the oldest written law which has the first 5 books all written in Geez.

[@KenJackson_US]

*John:* _"Moses and the Israelites were never in Egypt."_ So should I believe the inspired Word of God, or some random commenter? Hmmm. In fact, rock carvings going back to the 19th century BC have been decoded in Egypt to be paleo Hebrew.

[@ramibakkar]

BS

[@lindanwfirefighter4973]

The first ancient Chinese language was based on Torah. It was created 1,500 years before it was penned for the OT! How? Because the ancient Chinese were descendants of Shem!

[@geoffreybslater1146]

There is no way to prove that theory. Clearly the Torah was written by Moses (who could read and write Egyptian, Greek and Hebrew. All this analysis looking at perceived differences in the books of the Torah is just a fantasy with no ending.

[@honorablevessel]

The Greek language didn't exist in the time of Moses, but I get (and agree) with your point. 🙂

[@Bimfirestarter]

7:10 'Hashem' isn't a Biblical designation for God; it just means literally 'The Name'. So strictly speaking, it has nothing to do with the text of the Tanakh in the context of terms for God, or the Documentary Hypothesis, because every Biblical scholar knows 'Hashem' was never a Biblical-era designation for The Almighty. Genesis 2 and many others instances in Genesis do record the proper name YHWH, which has been popularly said as 'Yahweh' among scholars, and 'Jehovah' as a common English form, though 'Yahowah' likely approaches the pronunciation of ancient Biblical times. 'Elohim is a word for god, and it's used for Jehovah and pagan deities, so is by no means exclusive. Other related words are 'el, 'eloah. 'Adonai is a term used exclusively for Jehovah in the scriptures, and like 'Elohim, it's plural, but with the inference of something like 'Lord of Lords', literally meaning 'my lords', while 'elohim literally means 'gods'. This video is much-appreciated yet again, ye Patterns of Evidence folks! 🙏

[@jessicabrock8667]

Hashem comes from the shema . The name hashem is in the shema and revealed.

[@kamj1969]

Quite obvious that the Old Testament that we have now are not divine but written by humans. We don’t even know the authors and the number of authors. The statement made that “It is not a book that is heaven sent. “ will surprise many who believe that it is the literal word of God or at least authored by Moses. Wow. Hence, there maybe snippets of truth but surely one can’t base one’s salvation on a book which is not divine. The only book that claims to be divine ie heaven sent is the Quran. It is the furqan ie the criterion which is sent to correct whatever wrong transmission made in the Old Testament. The Quran claims to be divine and the literal word of God sent to the unlettered prophet ie Muhammad Pbuh who is from the descendants of Ismael from Abraham.

[@Moodboard39]

You ignorant..there a difference between revelation and inspiration..no men can what the Bible says . 40 different authors ..

[@Moodboard39]

Quran is not heaven sent ...Quran has no authority...Allah never show himself to Muhammad.. Muhammad was the only witness 😂😂😂 Bible has many ?? 40 . Big difference..even Quran mentioned the Bible lol 🤣

[@millenialfalcon8243]

The Qu'ran says Torah and Gospel were revealed by Allah and the Qu'ran was sent to confirm "what was before" (Torah and Gospel). Nothing is said about correcting Torah or the Gospels. He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (Quran 3:3) And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah, but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. (Quran 10:37) As to the Torah today, it is virtually identical to the Torah books found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were dated to be 100's of years older than Muhammad. So if the Qu'ran confirmed the Torah that came before it, which would include the Dead Sea copies, and the Torah today is identically to those copies and other old copies, then the Qu'ran also confirms the Torah today. We also have a copies of the Gospels dated from at least 100 years before Qu'ran that show the no changes to the message or doctrine in today's copies. So the comparable copies today match copies that predated and were confirmed to be from Allah according to the Qu'ran.

[@thomasdykstra100]

kamj1969 , just what do you propose as a foundation for salvation...or has none been provided, in your considered opinion?

[@andrewndambuki2207]

I got news for you. Even the Quran isn't.

[@MatthewWalker_93_]

garbage