Who REALLY invented metalcore?

[@prod.SMOKIE]

it was me, i invented metalcore

[@subparnaturedocumentary]

yo mgk whats good!

[@cartercolson7975]

yo mgk what's good!

[@brokenknee14]

yo mgk whats good!

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

Thank you for your service.

[@malicepriest]

Can't be because it was me..🤷‍♂️😂

[@microchrist6122]

🚨 Babe wake up, the new “Extremely unnecessary Pedantic debate that does not matter at all” dropped!! 🚨

[@rejectscorner9939]

Where would the internet be without it 😌

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

❤❤❤

[@theoneandonly7019]

history is interesting

[@hulluporo9067]

I remember when Killswitch Engage broke out in 2004, some boomer was totally upset by the genre name Metalcore. He wrote a letter to the editor of a big German Metal magazine where he wrote something like "the core of Metal" is bands like Maiden and Priest.

[@Zafire94]

Funny he said that when bands like kse just bleed maiden and priest influence and you can hear it in so many of their songs. Hell, aild even covered priest for goodness sake

[@DrScott666]

I grew up in Providence where Jesse is from... Bands like them and Overcast eventually becoming Shadows Fall were doing that stuff loooong before that at places like The Living Room, The Rat, TT and the Bears, Jarrod's, and Ralph's Diner.

[@kai_plays_khomus]

👌🤣

[@kidneystonermusic]

He only knows those names from Fat Lip by Sum 41

[@MetalGildarts]

@@DrScott666I lived in RI for a bit years ago. I found it interesting that Jesse was from somewhere I lived.

[@michaelabbeyproductions3858]

Should’ve baited the 40 year old neck beards with no retirement savings, and put Asking Alexandria in the thumbnail.

[@TedGrugend]

Making fun of neck beards, I think you're jealous you can't grow any hair on your face

[@billygreenbean7119]

@@TedGrugendsounds like you are actually the one who is mad…that this was directed your way lol

[@leoncorbett4553]

@@TedGrugendthey said neckbeard not facebeard

[@Herpusderpus]

I have no beard and also no retirement savings. Big sad.

[@aspirationrecords]

I think the neckbeards are already baited just by the word "metalcore" alone

[@NinetyNine678]

Poison the Well was such a good band. The first few albums in particular are incredible.

[@DrScott666]

How do you feel about Derek's noise pop band Sleigh Bells?

[@malicepriest]

I also loved poison the well.

[@datguy9408]

Agreed 🤘

[@Matt-yj1lz]

​@@DrScott666Not a fan of it but good for him for being able to stay making music

[@KD-dk1wu]

They’re so good 🎉

[@craigschmidt1634]

At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul dropped in 1995. While not metalcore, those riffs were ripped off by every metalcore band for the next 15 years.

[@markot8927]

That's the whole basis of metalcore- Swedish melodeath metal + 90's hardcore

[@BeatsAndMeats]

If you haven’t listen to At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself…. It’s pretty fucking great as well

[@mixail201211]

stop parroting this bullshit At the gates played generic 578 riffs, 90% of metalcore is not like that. Even Iron maiden or Judas Priest way way back played more advanced melodic riffs than At the gates

[@0n344]

@@BeatsAndMeats I like it better than Slaughter, only because I started listening to them like last year so I don't judge it by historical context. Drink from The Night is basically Slaughter with better production

[@Dezzreck]

Melodic metalcore is largely At the Gates/melodeath worship, but that’s not the only style of metalcore

[@Phlexxfreak]

Why is nobody talking about Darkest hour? You can hear a hint of metalcore on their first demo in 95 and the first EP in 96 and The prophecy Fullfilled from 1999 is pure metalcore if you ask me.

[@gymwithryan]

Waited for this comment

[@SarcasmIsMyGame_]

Same for me. Darkest Hour is the first band that came to mind.

[@Bryan-qz4np]

I love Darkest Hour, but they're more melo death to my ear.

[@HoracioAmiritoDiaz]

Early Metalcore sounds like Sepultura cover bands but both guitarists are playing Max's parts.

[@jackypapp6785]

Ha! Nice, true!

[@serhiipavliuk6309]

Belgian H8000 scene definitely deserves a mention. Congress, Arkangel, that kind of stuff

[@Coolldown]

Everyone always forgets about the European bands the h8000 bands, sentence, kickback, arkangel, the Bremen bands like Jane and acme were metal af

[@FELTSZ]

​@@Coolldown They had downright poor production and a problematic, washed-out sound, which is why their music has such meagerly relevance to the genre.

[@Dezzreck]

@@FELTSZwhat are you talking about? They sound great, way better than so much of the overly polished overproduced stuff that came after

[@Pragnantweggyboard]

​@@FELTSZI've just seen your iron maiden comment, nice bait M8.

[@dissonantstyle]

Arkangel - Day of Apocalypse is the first song I registered as a new mix of metal and hardcore I think. Also the darker kind of metal, not the happy riffy stuff. Bands like killswitch just don't hit like that.

[@jaywellslecuyer8977]

100% agreed that the ZAO album you played ("Splinter Shards" from 1997) does sound way more like straight up hardcore, but Dan's vocals and Brett & Russ' guitar styles on their Blood and Fire album from 1998 definitely made them metalcore. I wholeheartedly agree with Aftershock and Poison the Well but I urge everyone to check out ZAO's "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest."

[@jxcobaniki6709]

YOUR EYES SEARCHHHHH FOR MEEEE

[@aaronsemasko9281]

For sure. It’s essentially a different band.

[@jaywellslecuyer8977]

exactly! The only original member was Jesse the drummer.

[@requiem5179]

ZAO is the only correct answer to the question.

[@amosbarker1708]

Splintered Shards is HC Blood and Fire is definitely metalcore and in no way can you say can you say "really not that good" about it.

[@ancientdolphintofualmondma2863]

That Vision of Disorder album was amazing and very underrated

[@DrScott666]

I loved V.O.D.!

[@Artefracture]

Loved that record. Wouldn't call it underrated, though. They got attention from the Sepultura tour and being on Roadrunner and the records after were suitably a step up. I'd argue those were the ones that don't get a fair shake.

[@099rjZ]

ELEMENT!!!! NO MORE COMPROMISE!!!

[@Dennis_The_Peasant]

Sounds like Helmet + Earth Crisis

[@atvena]

Sounds like fear factory forming

[@TWProductions90]

Shocked no one mentioned DeadGuy. Fixation On A Coworker was '95 i believe.

[@davisonsarai7763]

Rorschach sorta kinda did it first, ish

[@FELTSZ]

Deadguy were outstanding, heavily influenced by Voivod and Cherubs. But Iron Maiden is the one who truly founded metalcore, listen to the descending riffs and cadences in the songs Aces High, Murders In The Rue Morgue, Prowler, Drifter, 22 Accacia Avenue.

[@Zafire94]

@@FELTSZyup and more people are sorta starting to realise this. Nik nocturnal did a vid on drop tuned maiden and it legit just sounded like melodic death metal/metalcore style riffs and people picked up on it

[@aaronbrink5022]

​@@davisonsarai7763 100% Rorschach "Remain Sedate" in 1990. Strongarm in 93', Deadguy in 94' , Shai Hulud in 95; Kiss it Goodbye in 96'... these guys absolutely need some mention!

[@keithhatlak4325]

I came to say Rorschach. They put their first album out when the other bands were just forming or at most put out a demo.

[@techdeth]

Growing up in the 2000's was so sick. Technical death metal, Melo death, blaneckened death, grind, power metal, symphonic/black, avantgarde extreme ... literally several world changing albums every year.

[@DrScott666]

90's were better talking about groundbreaking Grind and Death? I grew up near Seth Putnam and Josh Martin from AxCx and partied with dudes all the time. I was there when Seth and Chris Barnes got into it at 6 Ft U show... Chris Barnes is in fact a PÜ$$¥ Smoke. Smoked crack with Obituary and broke all kinds of crap. Saw bands like Dying Fetus, Blood For Blood, and Amon Amarth on the same Bill at a townie bar.

[@mediumvillain]

It never entirely stopped tbh. The topic of the video, metalcore, has uhhh, gone through some stuff, a lot of it has gone in the more pop rock/EDM direction since the 2010s. That whole experimental avant garde post-hardcore/metalcore era largely ended, but... extreme metal, it's been almost like a golden age of output going nearly unnoticed outside of diehard metalheads, especially in the realm of death metal--tech death, prog death (these have exploded since the late 00s), deathgrind, blackened, melodic, symphonic, deathcore, so much good creative stuff has been produced in the last 10-15 years it's almost impossible to keep up with. It doesnt have the shiny youthful gloss of a new scene but countless incredible artists are refining sounds and pushing boundaries instrumentally & musically, knocking down walls between metal genres, trad, death, doom, black, thrash, grindcore, punk, hardcore, alt rock, nu-metal, prog rock, jazz fusion, neoclassical, psychadelic rock, shoegaze, etc. It's still happening but it's all happening underground and often with little fanfare because of how the music industry & the internet/attention economy function nowadays, how everything is siloed and streaming rules the music world.

[@jigglepuff1218]

Blaneckened

[@lightningmonky7674]

Poison the wells music is always so sad, amazing but very depressing sounding

[@booonesjackson]

Finn out here looking for the metalcore transitional fossils

[@BeatsAndMeats]

This is a highly underrated comment.

[@Hugobianca]

nice IQ

[@thewal1ofsleep]

When I think of the real start of metalcore, I think of 1997ish through 2001. Prayer for Cleansing, Poison the Well, Cave In, Undying, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Blood has been Shed, Heartscarved and Killswitch Engage are many of the bands that come to my mind.

[@TakexAxStand]

Was looking for the first mention of Prayer for Cleansing!

[@grafforlock]

Finally someone mentions Cave In, until your heart stops came out in 98 and I think had a big influence on early 2000s metalcore.

[@autoscopy]

​@@grafforlock Until Your Heart Stops is an amazing album still.

[@SoundsofSulfur]

If we’re saying the first true metalcore was in the late 90s idk how Cave In isn’t being put into consideration. 100% agree Until Your Heart Stops is still an excellent album

[@Beardodoomus]

The German H8000 bands were absolutely proto metalcore. Liar, Congress etc. Started in the early 90s. They went on to influence other European metalcore bands like Maroon, Heaven Shall Burn etc.

[@AGuyUwU]

H8000 is Belgian, not German. While credit has to be given where it's due, nothing from H8000 did much to actually make an impact worth giving a shit even with bands inspired by H8000 like Arkangel, From The Dying Sky, xMaroonx, etc since Underoath mopped the floor with those bands and transcended the Hardcore scene thus giving birth to The Devil Wears Prada who finally set a standard.

[@Beardodoomus]

You're correct, the H8000 scene is Belgian and not German. I had a momentary lapse of geography there.

[@matthewmohri9990]

Finn, The Spice Girls were the O.G.'s of Metalcore, before they signed to a major label, their original version of "What I really really want." was Metalcore. The Spice Girls were musical pioneers of their time, but sold out to make far more money being a "Girl Band". Finn, all kidding aside ^, would you say that late Black Flag, when Ginn was getting more experimental was a early/subtle influence on Metalcore? What's creative and deep to some is trite and trash to others. I'd say some some bands obviously need work, but it's never easy to judge b/c once you take in multiple variables, you get lost in the woods and miss the forest. I mean I love bands like Slint, Brainiac, Tanner, Polvo, No Knife, Chavez, etc., but then again some people might criticize the ever living hell out of them, would they be wrong? I would listen to what they said and see if what they said had merit, but at the end of the day it's on person's opinion versus another. As for Metalcore I loved the first 3 Hatebreed albums and Poison The Well was an amazing band to see, I saw them open up for Hatebreed one time and they were awesome. Finn, did you ever buy or hear this East Coast vs West Coast Hardcore Compilation album from back in The Day? I got it at all places "Hot Topic" but the cd was set up so one band was East Coast the next was west coast, and it had a ton of bands that sounded a lot like what you describe here as metalcore. The album also had bands like Shelter, Farside, Ensign, Shai Halude, In My Eyes. I wasn't a fan of the metalcore sounding stuff, but Shelter, Ensign, and In My Eyes I really got into. Well that's my .02$ before I get ready for work. Have a good day Finn.

[@stg_tmc]

Crazy how you mixed up The Spice Girls with MGK but it’s all good probably a typo my friend!

[@matthewmohri9990]

@@stg_tmc LOL. I feel you got my satirical reference. Yet added to that with the MGK part. Touche good one, has me laughing.

[@headtrips1]

Poison the well also added a post-hardcore/emo/ screamo component and they were the first to add that to metalcore

[@0n344]

I dont know that they were the first to do it at all but they were the first to be straight up 50/50 metal screamo

[@skippy8696]

SNABK by Atreyu was one of the first metalcore albums I ever listened to. I was obsessed with that shit in 2004 and it still holds up tbh. Underrated gem... I might throw Zao into the mix too. Who did it first is largely irrelevant to me, I care about who did it best.

[@joemiller7082]

I think Disembodied did it best, in 1996.

[@djnitro75]

Nothing sounded like Overcast at the time, heavy chugs and breakdowns, fast riffs and guitar squeals. Glad you shouted them out. Also Unbroken Life Love Regret might as well have been a Slayer album. Even my friends at the time were shaming me for listening to "metal". For those of you who weren't around back then wondering about that last statement, there used to be a pretty clear line in the sand between metalheads and punk/hardcore kids.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Yes! I remember hearing Unbroken and thinking the same... "well, they definitely like Slayer" lol

[@hereticdeth7986]

And what about disembodied, arkangel, state craft and eighteen visions?

[@dathioz]

Arkangel came a lot later

[@FELTSZ]

these bands have a much more death metal type of heaviness.

[@dmitch1983]

Came here for 18V

[@Nastyb77]

Forgot about 18v, liked their related group Bleeding Through as well.

[@hereticdeth7986]

and i forgot about 7 angels 7 plagues and norma jean

[@ToneupTony]

That VOD album is fucking god tier!!

[@insectairport]

Any Starkweather love is wonderful to see. A truly amazing and singular band that has literally never released a bad album; their 2005 and 2010 albums (Croatoan and This Sheltering Night respectively) are as top notch as their 90s stuff.

[@flipnroll]

Definitely leaders not followers.

[@beatdroppinjay]

Was just listening to VOD the other day, I think they are grossly underrated.

[@Throne1607]

First time hearing Metalcore, it was the summer of 2002 and I’m with my friends in the back of one of their cooler older brothers 2000 Honda civic with a crazy sound system/sub woofer listening to “My Last Seranade”. Needless to say the speakers punched my back with such intensity, I was forever hooked on metalcore, definitely a core memory for me, no pun intended

[@matthewmellott1856]

Poison the well was one of my favorites back in high school. Botchla really brought me into the band.

[@JsmithVB757]

Poison The Well and As I Lay Dying were my first introduction into Metalcore around 2003.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

I remember my eyebrows leaving my body the first time I heard 94 Hours.

[@JsmithVB757]

@@BeatsAndMeats exactly. It changed my life

[@PhaggyJames]

Misery Signals might not have been the first "metalcore" band, but they were easily one of the biggest influences on the genre moving forward. Ask almost any metalcore band that was out pre 2010 and they'll credit Misery Signals as a major influence.

[@Beckonor]

The Crumbsuckers 1988 album 'Beast on my Back' was the earliest metalcore album if you are talking about when crossover became 'metallic hardcore'.

[@PhaggyJames]

That sounds more like Metallica than metalcore

[@nickreid5939]

Thank you...Best Comment.....Crumbsuckers ruled in Barbados metal heads

[@Ningishzida]

D.R.I.'s 1987 album Crossover was the first I can see. It literally was designed to be a thrash/Hardcore crossover album. Many of the bands in this video defined "modern" metalcore, but they most certainly did not invent it metalcore itself. Integrity, Converge, and Earth Crisis came just after DRI, but I don't think they should actually take the credit.

[@j86633]

Back in the day those early bands like Integrity, Ringworm, etc. were *sometimes* called "metallic hardcore" in zines, etc. Metalcore to me is a whole other thing than those bands. It wasn't until metalcore as a genre concept became a popular term that people started calling those old bands metalcore sort of retroactively.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Yes

[@0n344]

I am sure i heard someone call hatebreed metalcore in the early 2000s and i thought "that makes perfect sense its basically metal hardcore" then i heard all this poison the well stuff called metalcore and i was like wtf

[@Cluster71]

Rorschach from NJ's Remain Sedate from 1990 is the first Metalcore album imo, super ahead of it's time.

[@andreasn6242]

While I agree with the Aftershock take one band I feel that should at least be in the conversation that wasn't mentioned is Darkest Hour. More Gothenburg style melo-death but with the hardcore vocals (no clean vox), The Prophecy Fulfilled came out in 1998/99.

[@Maximus_W]

Agreed. That shit Is dope to the core

[@davidepelamatti375]

Thank you. I was about to write a long pointless comment about Darkest Hour. You summarized it so I don't have to. I appreciate it.

[@WrapMasterLLC]

Darkest Hour does it so GOOD! Still! But that one cd Undoing Ruin! Not a bad song! full Listen Masterpiece!

[@davidepelamatti375]

@@WrapMasterLLC Sure! And it hasn't aged a day. It still sounds modern after 20 years IMO.

[@Stevenzen85]

Such a fun video! I feel a lot of us growing up in this time period (mid 90s-mid 00's) who listened to aggressive music and went to these shows, didn't realize 20 years later what an awesome time period it was for heavy music. These are the same conversations everyone had then, and it's cool that we are still taking about it now! Genre labels always make for fun discussions. Like... Where does (post-hardcore) fit in this mix? I feel like a lot of bands that people would consider post-hardcore now get lumped into metal-core. Either way it is awesome, keep on rocking in the free world.

[@MCBard-ru7yu]

Some amazing music came out in that time frame

[@DinoSoGreat5000]

The first actual Metalcore band was Shai Hulud. Converge started off as a hardcore band and Shai Hulud's stuff was really good

[@FELTSZ]

Hulud had a huge impact on the band As I Lay Dying, whose album "Shadows Are Security" is a imperishable gem of the metalcore genre.

[@vorpalblades]

Nah, it was Leeway.

[@FELTSZ]

@@vorpalblades Sheer Terror from NYC

[@ericphoenixg]

None of those bands don't have enough metal and no clean vocals. Unfortunately, new metalcore bands don't do clean vocals.

[@thomasinpuertorico9184]

Shai Hulud was incredible live

[@thomasanthony5021]

The metalcore most people think of when they think about metalcore is what we saw in the mid/late 2000s when metalcore started cross pollinating with the scene/emo movement. And the godfather of THAT brand of metalcore is without doubt Eighteen Visions.

[@Christian-dp5zt]

Love that VOD album. Their second album, Imprint, is also great. 🤘

[@MattyV001]

Finn is like the brooks koepka of pretinously classifying music. For reference koepka is one of the world’s best golfers and all he does is talk about how much he hates golf.

[@willemowen2515]

Your analogy sucks.

[@SoundsofSulfur]

I couldn’t come up with any way to make this analogy work. Idk how you landed on using that one

[@jayboylesesoteric90]

Alex from Atreyu or really former Atreyu. Said that he said they invented Metalcore all for the sake of getting clicks and attention to Atreyu that really wasn’t do all that well at the time. He’s admitted it was a dumb thing to say and he didn’t believe he or the band invented it for a second.

[@french1991toast]

Atreyu is the MOST overrated "metalcore" band

[@cowwcho]

From a Guitarists standpoint, I'd like to believe both Soilwork and In Flames were big contributors without knowing. They were a huge influence to me when I first started converting playing Guitar over from a punk band to a metal one. We were trying to find our sound and metalcore wasn't a thing yet. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guitarist that finds these 2 bands as musical influence. In soilworks 1st ablum you can hear "2step" riffs and breakdowns that to me seemed new at the time.Of course bands like 7 angels 7 plagues/ Misery Signals put a tremendous push on the style. Side note since I'm from the I.E. I did see a lot of OC bands play during the metalcore boom, but the Riverside bands had a bigger influence on me. My all time Fave local metalcore band would always be Falling Cycle followed by Sinai Beach

[@johnbush5347]

Soil work were a brutal death metal band that jumped on the metalcore bandwagon

[@ChainsawChristmas]

A full PTW video is needed!! One of the best hardcore/metal core bands of all time.

[@chrisgirth7373]

For me being in FL, we had the big 3. Poison the Well, Shai Hulud and Evergreen Terrace were the ones that jumpstarted it here. There were so many late 90s bands that had elements of the sound too. As I Lay Dying, On Broken Wings, Sinai Beach, Unearth, and Coalesce were also some bands that popped up early in Metalcore's start. That was a great time for music. (97-03)

[@kwojo932]

Evergreen Terrace was such an underrated band

[@chrisgirth7373]

@@kwojo932 Seeing them from the beginning was awesome. First time was opening for The Suicide Machines and Catch 22. We never slept on them but I could see how places further away might. Buried Alive by Time was such a killer album.

[@nothuman1683]

On broken wings is such an underrated band​@@kwojo932

[@allenk7296]

Red Roses For a Blue Lady?

[@Breadmakerc]

Metal fans hate metalcore much more than hardcore fans do

[@goner.9989]

Well metalcore was birthed from hardcore

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

Not all, I don't. I've been a Metalhead for 16 years and I love Technical Death Metal, Progressive Metal, Dsbm, etc.. Goth Rock, Darkwave too. I like a lot of Metalcore, not all Metalcore though. I can't stand Wage War and a few others. I like Loathe, Ice Nine Kills, Currents, Silent Planet, Killswitch Engage and many more.. If the band sounds cool then they sound cool. Even in Thrash Metal and Death Metal which are more "acceptable" than Metalcore/Deathcore but not all Death Metal bands or Thrash Metal bands are cool.. some are and some aren't therefore if the band is Death Metal, Funeral Doom Metal, or Metalcore/Deathcore if they sound cool then they sound cool.. this is just my personal opinion lol.

[@jtkappy7742]

I feel like metalcore/deathcore are the most popular genres Of Metal currently. Most hardcore shows will have a few metalcore bands that come from the hardcore scene. I think everyone just likes metalcore, there’s just the hardcore metalcore and the metal metalcore and they attract diffrent people

[@jtkappy7742]

I guess “hardcore metal core” could be called metallic hardcore but who gives a fuck it’s just music it doesn’t need a name

[@0n344]

@@jtkappy7742 it's awkward how 80s thrash and death metal bands are so much closer to hardcore [punk] than modern "hardcore" bands

[@hagbardceline5358]

I only put Zao high on the list of early metalcore bands due to their second album "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" which does have a lot of the characteristics you listed and it came out in 1998.

[@trendmassacre8423]

I LOVE that album, that was the first album I ever heard from Zao!

[@joemiller7082]

Disembodied came earlier and I think it was more metalcore sounding, imo.

[@chadhenry961]

So Atreyu's former frontman claimed to have invented metalcore he was probably alluding to their first release they otherwise never talk about: the visions EP which was released in 1999 back when they were a teenage local band. It tows the line between metalcore and hardcore punk and was pretty rough around the edges, which is likely why it never got re-released nor were any of the songs re-recorded.

[@MofosOfMetal]

The funniest thing about this whole topic is that Metalcore fans have to become gatekeepers themselves by deciding when something is "Metal enough".to be "Real Metal". 😂 The truth is that it's subjective - Hardcore and Metal exist on a kind of spectrum and it's down to individual listeners where they draw the line. Definitely a fascinating discussion and hearing these older bands definitely reminds us how amazingly creative that time was - before all the generic clones. It was totally uncharted territory!

[@SilverWolfRacing]

I’m so glad Finn talked about VOD in that fantano video a few years ago. I had never heard of them before and they became one of my favorite bands

[@allenk7296]

Check out bloodsimple. The singer and guitarist of VOD started that band when VOD broke up.

[@WrapMasterLLC]

I was Listening to VOD today.. and he drops this vid... mind blown!

[@M.H691]

R.E: Integrity & esp the song 'Micha' - they were big into Japanese hardcore like G.I.S.M. so they were adding a primitive, raw vibe in the mix, but they really could play - the solo on that song is awesome, great sense of musicality, v. memorable... Weird, unsettling band. Dwid has that Boyd Rice sociopath vibe.

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

Lmao comparing dwid to boyd is going to upset somebody, but i get what you mean

[@FELTSZ]

Dwid and guitarist Aaron Melnick loved Iron Maiden, King Diamond, that's where the metal purpose in Integrity come from.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Dwid is a Boyd Rice fan (or at least used to be)

[@FELTSZ]

​@@FinnMckentyPRMBAExactly, he loves underground esoteric-tinged industrial music, like everyone born under the constellation Pisces.

[@xjoemallardx]

Adam D can be credited for it, what he did for Parkway Drive cannot be underestimated with the recording of Killing with a Smile and Horizons.

[@jackypapp6785]

True....

[@jamesmeldrum860]

Congress and the H8000 scene. Euridium was '94.

[@blackmesacake5361]

KoRn was a big inspiration for BFMV. And that's the end of that connection to the genre.

[@Nestorglass]

to be fair Korn are the pioneers of the big angry 7 string riffs of modern metalcore so that pic aged well in some way

[@blackmesacake5361]

@@Nestorglass very true!

[@FELTSZ]

even a rookie Knocked Loose, Vein FM took inspiration from Korn

[@Bloods2006]

Ya if you listen to Jeff Killed John (pre-BFMV) you can hear it.

[@ericcc546]

I love how all the later metal bands thanked KoRn and said they were influences! Korn was not really well liked by the metal scene when they rose up.

[@stevebooksmetal]

In Flames?

[@0n344]

No core just metal

[@dannyjingu]

​@@0n344no...they are not JUST metal

[@johnbush5347]

Reroute to remain is pretty metalcore sounding for sure

[@tinfoilhatoverlord]

Eighteen Visions.

[@eyeseaurn]

They invented the emo kid look

[@tinfoilhatoverlord]

@@eyeseaurn fashioncore babyyyyy!!!

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

I've been listening to Earth Crisis and Vision of Disorder since 1996. Never knew that they were considered metalcore.... 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@majurbludd]

I was around then. They are hardcore if you ask me.

[@ObiWanShinobi67]

Metallic hardcore

[@laurentcoukan4617]

Underoath's act of depression in 99 had some metalcore in it imo and blended clean as well as harsh vocals. They also were influenced by black and death metal at the time so im not sure were to put them.

[@onbrokenwingsx1]

Yesss finally aftershock getting some acknowledgment.

[@EmilyCoffeyMusic]

Even tho ZAO is one of my favorite bands, I still think this video is great. Love digging into the history of the genres like this!!

[@Darrkness]

Oh man. Poison the Well was my shit!

[@bibbaaah]

All that Remains was one of the first bands that got me into metal music in general. Late 2000s. My fiance and I still listen to ATR and definitely big fans of KSE

[@shanonquits2833]

Zao deserves an honorable mention. Their impact on the scene with Blood and Fire changed metalcore.

[@muzicdominator524]

Yeah I agree. Waving off Zao’s 1998 album Blood and Fire, with it’s sound, metal riffs, and even a few instances of clean backing vocals, while calling Aftershock from 1999 the first metalcore band is a bit of a miss to me. Can’t overstate how important that album was in creating the genre. Also, 1997 Zao and 1999 Zao with Dan Weyandt on vocals are like 2 different bands, and that album was anything but bad. Hugely influential.

[@mazdis9724]

Right. A friend (who would coincidentally go on to play bass for them a few years later) let me hear Blood and Fire when it came out in 98 and I distinctly remember asking him "OK well what is this band, metal or hardcore" and he said "I dunno man, they're kinda both". Blood and Fire was the first record (along with Around the Fur) to get me into heavier music and out of the Screeching Weasel pop punk bubble I was in at the time.

[@Whocares1987]

It was in the video

[@shanonquits2833]

@@Whocares1987 I am specifically referring to the next album after splinter shards. It was essentially a completely different band.

[@muzicdominator524]

@@Whocares1987 It was, but he talked about their sound in 1997 with the old vocalist and said they kinda sucked, which isn’t wrong. But the band’s next album was where they really became so instrumental to the sound of metalcore.

[@leftymcnally6913]

First time I heard the term "Metal-Core" was the MC at The Ritz in NYC calling D.R.I. a "metal-core band" for their 1987 VHS

[@markwrenn5965]

I see Poison the Well in the thumbnail, i click. Simple

[@FELTSZ]

Matt Heafy from Trivium was a huge fan of Converge in 2002, they have significantly influenced metalcore.

[@davisonsarai7763]

Cave In never gets brought up in that era. I was very confused in a good way when I heard their 1st full length. Very metal.

[@Whocares1987]

Botch too

[@davisonsarai7763]

@@Whocares1987 looooooooove Botch, from their 7 inches to the last release

[@joshk5686]

Love them and they did the metalcore typical formula before it became cheesy

[@davisonsarai7763]

@joshk5686 beyond hypothermia still rocks

[@TranzparentMethods]

Poison The Well. Well before the "Metalcore" name was thrown around. I think Poison The Well was the first "Metalcore" band. "You Come Before You" was an AMAZING Metalcore album. Honestly, a band from Detroit called Universal Stomp created Metalcore. Way back in the mid-90s. "Stomping of Jake", "Full Swing" and "2296" laid the blueprint for Metalcore.

[@FELTSZ]

Matt Heafy from Florida band Trivium was a big fan of Poison The Well and Converge in 2002, they have significantly influenced metalcore sound.

[@MrGrimm-gy1mu]

Discharge and late Black Flag did laid some foundations

[@Whocares1987]

Discharge were true OG’s

[@thomasbaldiscola4671]

KSE & Unearth are still two of my fav bands who I continue to support & love seeing them live! Im going to see Unearth's 20 year show for "The Oncoming Storm" June 15th in Boston. I'm seeing KSE headline the New England Metal & Hardcore Festival!!! This makes my elder millennial heart HAPPY! Also Nirvana is a DOPE metalcore band, very underatted! 😆

[@MrShane666]

Undying and prayer for cleansing I feel like we’re also part of this metalcore origin story

[@Pragnantweggyboard]

This day all gods die, man. I still listen to that to this day.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

Machine Gun Kelly invented metalcore obviously.

[@N64CORE]

The human abstracts is what got me into metalcore. They've been around for a hot sec now

[@MrKilligan]

the best answer is the first comment on that reddit post: "Some dudes in a garage somewhere that people have never heard of"

[@donnieguerin7922]

I think bands like Ark angel Congress Sentence Reprisal Maroon Adamantium etc Should also get some love for pioneering metalcore

[@onionheadguy7094]

The problem is metalcore as it's known doesn't really have the hardcore sound in it all. I think people added the "core" to differentiate the genre from metal and to justify the swoopy hair.

[@joemommasvids]

Give a like to show respect for A Life Once Lost. That fuckin band ripped! Not saying they're the first metalcore band lol, just want to see how many folks appreciate how bad ass that band was.

[@alexlucasmusic]

Nirvana might possibly be the worst metalcore band of all time. It’s like they weren’t even trying to play metalcore 🤷‍♂️

[@horrorcorridorshow]

First metalcore band I learned about and still love is Himsa (from Seattle). They started with posthardcore style and then switched to brutal singer John Pettibone who transitioned the band into more tech/thrash metal with with groove and death metal thrown in. Hard to explain honestly

[@lh4918]

SLAUGHTER OF THE SOUL!!!!😮

[@9TXONE]

My favorite metalcore band is Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.

[@Middle.Earth.Crisis]

Misery Signals. Greatest Metalcore band ever? Yes.

[@davisonsarai7763]

Agree

[@greggharmston8992]

The most slept on too

[@davisonsarai7763]

@greggharmston8992 I think Cave In is the ultimate slept on example tbh

[@buzzbomb67]

Bleeding Through came out in 99, as well, though their first album didnt drop til 01. Its like trying to nail down who the original Black Metal and Death Metal bands were. Everyone has a different opinion. Was it Venom or Celtic Frost? Death or Possessed? Or Cannibal Corpse? Do we consider it to be genuinely when it was just lyrical content or when it developed a genuine musical style… for that matter, did they REALLY develop a genuine musical style?

[@kingschlamiel]

I love VOD, but am I buggin or do his clean vox sound like dexter holland? 🤣

[@aldotorleone1760]

Isn't Heaven Shall Burn a contender too ? Maybe lacking a bit of clean vocals but created in 1996 and definitely on the side of metalcore if you listen to the instrumental part

[@bostons_departed3631]

So, as a 30 year old, born in 93, you are telling me, that if it wasn’t for your age group and hardcore, I would have not grown up with metalcore? So… I can thank hardcore for my teenage years. Got it. 😂. Yall moshed so we could crab.

[@breathingunderwater]

I’m on the same page about bands like VOD, PTW, etc. being closer to the advent of “metalcore” than the hardcore bands that people often cite. I was introduced to hardcore around the time that these crossover bands were breaking and it was impossible not to notice how unique and then un-categorizable those bands were vs. what was more obviously distinct hardcore like Hatebreed and Snapcase. And though I still adore and seek out traditional hardcore (new & old), I find that that early metalcore experimentation was as interesting, emotionally investing, and groundbreaking as early nu-metal.

[@GodOfWhine]

Atreyu.

[@murphmuffin9069]

I'm surprised he didn't bring up their 1994 garage album lol Literally sounds like it was recorded in their garage, but it's super early and the vocals and riffs seem much different from hardcore. It's pretty heavy, has almost a death Metal vibe to it, so maybe it's not actually Metalcore yet.

[@benzaitenargentina]

@@murphmuffin9069 first release by them that i know is visions from 1999.

[@keithhatlak4325]

I came here to add Rorschach. They put out an album in 1990 that sounded like Converge or Dillinger Escape Plan a decade later.

[@kevinanthony3144]

The wiggles started metalcore

[@seanthegrizz3983]

Poison the Well got me into Metalcore. I was a 18yr old stoner and went to a Cypress Hill Smoke Out festival in 2001 and they were the only non hiphop band playing if I remember correctly. Having been a HC/Punk snob at the time, PTW changed everything for me.

[@90sMallArcade]

AMEN and Trivium should get some love for early metalcore

[@JN-xb6pq]

Strong take. Also, there is a HC to metal pipeline with these fusion genres. Grindcore, metalcore, deathcore all started firmly in the HC camp (or in the punk camp with grind if you want to distinguish HC and punk) and migrated more and more into the metal camp over time.

[@sp00g37]

I feel like pre-2k, you could hear which camp they came from. There's a difference between hatebreed and shadows fall. Once everyone discovered in flames and at the gates, the sound blended since melo death smoothed it out. People don't see the link between 90s and 2k metalcore, but I that's the bridge

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Totally agree

[@trevsmith444]

Damn great list! Gotta love VOD listening to “through my eyes” currently now!

[@boywithoutaparachute]

Thanks I needed this. I'm interviewing new Metalcore band but the members are old school metalcore musicians. So not being the biggest metalcore fan, I needed a little prep.

[@TakexAxStand]

Prayer for Cleansing formed in '97 and should get a mention but really you should just do an entire reaction video to how great their music video for Sonnet is and how it captured the essence of a late 90s metalcore show.

[@atvena]

They invented melodic deathcore

[@vzvicstar7]

Unearth didn't invent it, but they perfected it. They had me at Sweep picking. Earth Crisis was closer to HC ... if they originated metalcore, slither would've screwed us all up worse than it did. Coverage was more mathcore, along with cave-in. I think a pioneer of metalcore would be more like All Out War on one end of the spectrum, with Snapcase being on the other. PTW Opposite of December gets big props and still in my top 5 steady rotations.

[@iballer74]

Diehard , on conversion records has a couple of riffs that would later appear on Integrity’s first LP.

[@WrapMasterLLC]

My band -Hundred Fold Which turned into For The Love Of...Played with Overcast in 1994 out in a garage in Carteret NJ. Me and Brian were the only vocalist I knew of at the time that sang and screamed at the same time as vocalists. We both skate too. We will be friends forever! Love ya Brian! OverCast rules still and I just heard Hell Night His new project-! Its Great!

[@crk7041]

Very well said from someone who was there and paid attention (even though as you said in the intro - very silly ? to start with)....great to hear Adam D and Brian Fair get the respect they deserve. I was immediately thinking about Overcast, but forgot about Aftershock! The first KsE album I agree should be the big one here especially from an overall scene perspective. Another great band I think deserving of the "honorable mention" category next to VoD and Poison the Well: Cave In.

[@lightningmonky7674]

I just discovered vision of disorder a couple months ago and lived the album, crazy to see it mentioned on Finn's channel so soon after I actually listened to it