Who Really Invented the Airplane?

[@braazik]

Dumont: airplane Wright: angry birds

[@YtBrasill]

Kkkkkkkkkkk😂😂😂😂lol

[@jindlespog8045]

Sorry, but the Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@lucasmoraes999]

@@jindlespog8045 have you already heard about patent? if the guy has the patent it doesn't mean he invented it, like thomas edison and nikola tesla, tesla was a genius, edison a thief.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@lucasmoraes999 The first airplane was built by Clement Ader of France in 1886, but it only achieved a few short hops, like the 14-bis. The first successful airplane was built by the Wright brothers in 1903. The Wrights didn't patent the airplane.

[@nickservodedeus6860]

@@jindlespog8045 negative. You Americans, say you invented everything, say you own the world; the inventor of the PLANE is Santos Dumond !!! it is useless to say that they invented this or that, the world does not revolve around the United States. the two nations live, but most Americans think they own the world, and that is wrong. I am Brazil and proudly🇧🇷. Love Usa too🇺🇲

[@imm-sama]

"He didn't mention that the wright brothers used a catapult to take off wich is not considered an airplane."

[@punishedmeridia]

So F-18 aircraft carrier planes are not airplanes now? I'll tell the US Navy.

[@imm-sama]

this is not the question... as the man said, "an airplane must take off and land under its own power", and if the thing had a "help" so it's not a plane, THAT is the discussion, what comes next is another story...

[@punishedmeridia]

A catapult launched airplane CAN take off under its own power, it just requires a longer airfield. The Wright Flyer could fly on its own with or without a catapult launch, they used a catapult because it was more convenient and didn't require as much space to take off, the exact reason why carrier based planes use them.

[@imm-sama]

"their plane required a catapult and a steady breeze to become airborne. In comparison, the 14-bis used conventional landing gear and was able to take off from an open field in calm air"

[@iChiphead]

Ah, problem is, 14-bis couldn't turn, couldn't climb, and came 3 years too late.

[@ronielenunes2023]

com uma catapulta até uma vaca voa.

[@rogerromaoromao2048]

Roniele Nunes cara , mijei de rir

[@siriusblackxxrucoy6094]

Cara essa foi boa

[@Romano2018]

No processo de invenção as coisas vão se aperfeiçoando com o tempo. Quase todas se modificaram.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

@@Romano2018 eles não realizaram o vôo motorizado.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

With catapult untill shit fly.

[@Carrancka]

o primeiro voo do 14bis foi em paris,em frente à torre Eifel,santos dumon't usou um motor,enquanto os americanos usaram uma catapulta...

[@Carrancka]

Gaitaboa Gaitaboa que porra é essa q vc ta comentando

[@Carrancka]

???????????????????????????? do q vc ta falando

[@rodolfoscwartzman2754]

DUMONT FOI EM BAGATELLE, E OS TAIS DE WRIGHT NUNCA PROVARAM NADA ENTRE 1903 - 1905. DEMONSTRAÇÕES NUNCA OCORRERAM E OS AMERICANOS APRESENTAM COMO PROVAS RELATOS FEITOS NO PAPEL, EM JORNAIS E EM REVISTAS. KKKKKKKKKK

[@cosmicnebula7539]

Yan Wanshell eu não esperava encontrar outros brasileirinhos aqui

[@selmanedel7973]

Foi em bagatele, garoto

[@RIDER-bf2jt]

Wright Brothers >>>> Glider Santos Dumont >>>> Airplane Conclusion: Inventor of the plane was Santos Dumon't.

[@wadopotato33]

The Wright Brothers plane had an engine and two propellers even in 1903. There are pictures of them in the air flying and witnesses who measured their 46th flight to be 20 3/4 miles. By 1905 the Wright Brothers were already flying 40km in distance and were rockin' a 35 horsepower engine. Any Brasilian claim is silly and full of shit. Santos didn't even fly his plane until 1906. Brasil's claim amounts to bullshit.

[@RIDER-bf2jt]

Wade French No country considers the Wright brother the airplane inventors, it is considered only by Americans, even some members of Airbus has made this statement, the flight of Santos Dumont had no catapults and not tracks, and was filmed and photographed with testemundo of thousands of people, only a fool or a blind patriot otherwise.This is not only a Brazilian statement, is the rest of the world. Following is the list >>> Inventions Santos Dumont - Wrist Watch, Hot water shower, Hangar, Blimp, Airplane... Inventions of Wight Brothers >>> Glider with engines. Only a fool to trust in the history of North American. I'm not stupid and the world did not.

[@wadopotato33]

Kross Pfitscher It is not true that there were no witnesses to the Wright Brothers flights. And they flew 40 km in distance before Santos even left the fucking ground. Any attempt to pretend the Wright Brothers didn't invent the plane are fucking silly. Glider with an engine? God you are dumb.

[@RIDER-bf2jt]

Wade French 40 km Lol .. you are dumber than me. Lol Just a fool to believe in the story of Americans hahaha .., not hard evidence you guys have, I said and I repeat, only those who believe in this story are the Americans, here in Germany we have been taught what is right. Santos Dumont invented the airplane, in France the same thing and the rest of Europe and Asia as well. I said a glider with an engine without power and a catapult with rails is not a plane! With catapult up dog shit flies. I showed several creations of Santos Dumont, which after all was the creation of the Wright Brothers? The evil of Americans is to think that you guys are superior at all. Only deal with the facts, the truth is in your face, forget patriotism and see the truth man.

[@wadopotato33]

Kross Pfitscher That isn't true at all...I lived in Europe. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere. There were witnesses and pictures taken. The Wright Brother beat Santos by three fucking years. The only people who believe otherwise are stubborn retards who just enjoy being dumb. When the Wright Brother finally did make it to Europe they set height and endurance records...including first to take a passernger. How were they so far ahead? Because they had been doing it for five full years. You're fucking obtuse.

[@trollmanface6838]

escutando aqui o choro dos americanos

[@Rabakd1639]

@SADIO na realidade são brasileiros escrevendo em inglês para eles entenderem.

[@ogimamu5005]

@@Rabakd1639 vamos ver se entendem : to North Americans: "in addition to a catapult system to be lifted into the air." its not airplane.. i.pinimg.com/474x/70/99/13/7099134bd535544caaaefcf85b891e45--monty-python-catapult.jpg

[@Eddie71883]

kkk boa,mano

[@stalinumonwotblitz7743]

xola mais americanos

[@cjcareca399]

@e-man Nossa vc teve um bom argumento.Porem usa foto de anime então tudo foi anulado

[@fabioramos2937]

Não vamos desmerecer os americanos, eles inventaram a primeira versão de Angry Birds décadas antes da invenção dos jogos eletrônicos. São simplesmente visionários!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@joaoga.7870]

Mas Leonardo da Vinci também tinha projetos de lançadores, se não estou enganado

[@tutuanimacoes6220]

@@joaoga.7870 brasil vs eua vs italia

[@kawahenry8716]

@@joaoga.7870 Leonardo da Vinci é uma invenção do governo pra vender caderno de surfista 🤪🤠😎🤑🤓 confia

[@joaoga.7870]

@@kawahenry8716 até por que surfistas não existem... muito bem pensado 😂😎🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@joy_hipermorte]

KKKKKKKKKKK

[@MrVu1ture]

if all the planes around the world would have been inspired by wright brothers machine i think that the airports today would have to be in a top of a hill and with big catapults to throw them through the air.

[@punishedmeridia]

The 1903 Flyer did not use a catapult to take off. The FAI recognizes the Wright Brothers as the first powered heavier than air flight.

[@MrVu1ture]

The FAI can kiss my ass.

[@iChiphead]

The FAI probably doesn't like hairy asses.

[@taliyah8400]

André Oddi 😂😂😂

[@Ifjsjsbdbfn]

Kkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@pedroteixeira8181]

Santos Dumont inventou o primeiro avião movido a motor enquanto os irmaõs criaram um movido à catapulta. The airplane is Brazilian :)

[@nti7222]

Santos Dumont=avião Irmãos Wright= planador

[@pedrovitordopradobarroso7805]

Os irmaos so criaram um estilingue grande até eu faço um avião voar

[@progamerdgd943]

Os americanos inventaram o angry birds

[@ericadayanaa]

@@pedrovitordopradobarroso7805 irmãos writsgdjd: planavam Santos Dumont:voava

[@progamerdgd943]

@@FeLeall ;)

[@ArthurFreitasAF]

Santos Dumont: Airplane. Wright brothers: Catapult

[@howardbaxter2514]

Catapult wasn’t used during their first flights. It was used on later flights with later designs.

[@Pedrynndoyt]

so they couldnt make an real airplne without the catapult seu idiota se tivesse dado certo eles nao teriam usado a porra catapulta patriota do caralho!!!

[@hyzercreek]

Dumont: frog Wright: bird

[@odysseusrex5908]

Even if you want to pretend that is significant, long before Dumont got his machine in the air, the Wrights were already flying without the catapult. Whatever conditions you want to put on the definition of flying that Dumont had in 1906 and the Wrights did not on Dec 17, 1903, they had them long before he got his machine in the air.

[@gabrielgaaferreira]

@@odysseusrex5908 Wright brothers didn't prove anything up to 1905. Where are the videos of them in their early flights?

[@Carrancka]

Em vez de mostrar os dois lados,as duas opiniões,apenas se basearam na tese de uma pessoa apenas.

[@silviacoxxxnando2288]

Yan Wanshell não falaram a verdade.

[@Produto_Ideal]

Tentaram reproduzir e adivinha qual voou!?? Claro qu foi o 14 BIS

[@sonhomeu1541]

Absurdo, e idiota o vídeo.

[@liu.calazans]

Americano é desonesto intelectual. Colonizador tem por hábito roubar dos outros e dizer que é deles.

[@theLAngeles1]

santos dumont.

[@wadopotato33]

Only to one sad corner of the world.

[@theLAngeles1]

+Wade French santos dumont was a great inventor. He invented the real plane.

[@theLAngeles1]

Wade French so you are saying santos dumont was a shit ? he did not cooperate with the invention ? and respect brazilians!

[@wadopotato33]

Artur M. Araujo I do respect Brazilians, but you can't seem to do math when it comes to this subject. Not only were the Wright Brothers first by three full years, their plane was light years ahead in terms of design. They were flying flights of 40km before Santos ever even left the ground. This isn't hard to understand.

[@theLAngeles1]

Wade French santos dumont invented the demoiselle. Seach !

[@Spongschbob]

"a brasilian expert?" "no, he's American" **facepalm**

[@lucas50488]

yeah rigth the wrigth brothers invented it..... sticking a plane to a catapult is not an great invention Santos Dumount made the 14bis with a engine so it would not depend on catapults to fly imagine today airplanes flying with catapults... The wrigth brothers could have made a plane tha depended on external forces (catapult) ,but dumount made a plane that used his own engine

[@JulianaIsaeblla]

REPRESENTOU 👏👏👏👏👏

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

lucas camargo Born 20 July 1873 in state of Minas Gerais, Alberto Santos Dumont moved to Paris in 1891 but never forgot his birthplace. He soon began experimenting with flying, and designed his first balloon, the Brasil, in 1898. He later built and flew 11 dirigibles, including the prize-winning Number 6. He flew his first airplane, the 14-bis, on October 1906, the first aircraft to take off and land without any external assistance(*). His many other contributions to aviation included his 1907 Demoiselle, the precursor to modern light airplanes. He returned definitely to Brazil in 1931 and died in 1932.

[@jasewrangler1980]

Catapult or note, the Wrights flew for half an hour. I don't care how it took off, that's a plane.

[@plutaoopequenoplaneta1428]

catapult to take off = not a plane

[@hyugaSz]

falo td

[@PauloRoberto-bf5iw]

Logico que foi Santos Dumont, e americanos o choro e livre

[@iChiphead]

14-bis nunca voou mais de 220 metros de distância, e nunca mais de 6 metros de altitude. Ele não poderia peform uma volta controlada. Você chama isso de avião?

[@mnlima5842]

iChiphead melhor que os irmãos que usaram uma catalputa, ao mns o do cara brasileiro era motor mesmo

[@iChiphead]

Os Irmãos Wright nem sequer tiveram uma catapulta até o verão de 1904. Você vê uma catapulta nas fotos de Kitty Hawk? Nunca houve um lá, o peso teria sido muito pesado para transporte de Dayton, Ohio.

[@iChiphead]

A verdade importa para você ou não?

[@guil-_-9638]

thiago souza Ele é estadunidense ( brasileiros também são americanos ), tá usando o tradutor, nem dá bola

[@VaultVenturer]

SORRY AMERICANS!! SANTOS DUMONT IS THE MAN!! HAHAHA

[@tueuragag3719]

+Giovanni Guimaraes The fact is that they are many people who can have done the first flight(not controlled) like Santos Dumot or Clément Ader with "l'Eole", Félix du temple with his reduced model of a plane which flew, Alphonse Pénaud with his Planophore or so many Germans, English or French inventors but what is sure is that Wright Brothers didn't made the first motorised flight, just the first which was controlled.

[@junisaraiva6219]

without official proofs with register, dates, photos and footages before DUMONT.

[@BabuBhai-kk3vr]

Giovanni Guimaraes nich

[@rodolfoscwartzman2754]

DUMONT FOI EM BAGATELLE, E OS TAIS DE WRIGHT NUNCA PROVARAM NADA ENTRE 1903 - 1905. DEMONSTRAÇÕES NUNCA OCORRERAM E OS AMERICANOS APRESENTAM COMO PROVAS RELATOS FEITOS NO PAPEL, EM JORNAIS E EM REVISTAS. KKKKKKKKKK

[@hugosalustiano1238]

quem inventou o avião foi Carlos Dumont e não os americanos vocês usaram uma catapulta e nos usamos o motor então xilll

[@WTFuc4]

The wright brothers airplane couldn't fly on its own and before them some people had made the same airplanes. He didn't mention that the wright brothers used a catapult to take off wich is not considered an airplane.

[@punishedmeridia]

Carrier aircraft are not considered airplanes now? Okay? Sounds totally legit.

[@iChiphead]

"Inspired by rumors that the Wright brothers had made flights of over half an hour in the relative seclusion of a pasture near Dayton, Ohio, Santos-Dumont began work on his first airplane at Neuilly-Saint-James (near Paris) early in 1906." Encyclopedia Britannica

[@ousiavazia]

carrier airplanes can take off without the catapult

[@taliyah8400]

The Joker but they used a catapult and that doesn't count as flying

[@taliyah8400]

that's not flying, that's called gliding

[@EulerCosta]

"Take off and land under its own power" --> The Right brothers used a heavy catapult to make their plane get off the ground. NOT AIRPLANE.

[@punishedmeridia]

So F-18 aircraft carrier planes are not airplanes now? I'll tell the US Navy.

[@RoqueTHEGAMER]

its still can land and take of on its own if is not from a carrier.

[@junisaraiva6219]

The truth is that they could not run and take off. Do not compare an airplane with that fucking flyer. Flyers were motorized gliders. Other things physics proves easily that the wright's engine had no power at all.

[@iChiphead]

The Wright Flyer made more thrust than 14-bis. Santos=Dumont had an engine that produced more horsepower, but it was mated to a very inefficient propeller. The result is that the Wright Flyers, particularly the Wright Flyer 3, had more thrust. Here's the math: 19% or .19 * 50 Horsepower = 9.5 (14-bis granting the engine upgrade) 76% or .76 * 12.5 horsepower = 9.5 (Wright Flyer I circa 1903) ..And just as Santos=Dumont did not find his original engine sufficient, the Wrights were upgrading to 18 horsepower in 1904. .76 * 18 horsepower = 13.68 (substantially more thrust than 14-bis) These are estimates, of course, but they are certain enough to dispel the notion that 14-bis had more power. It didn't, but then you should have figured that because 14-bis never climbed above 6 meters. Perhaps Santos should have tried a catapult, too.

[@paulkornreich9806]

And Santos=Dumont's 14 bis could only go in a straight line hop so NOT AIRPLANE. It was until his Demoiselle that he had a CONTROLLABLE airplane. BTW, the Wright Bros initial airplanes did not use catapults. Also, some versions of the Demoiselle even had Wright engines.

[@wowshit472]

*Daqui a pouco os estadunidenses vão falar que foi eles que criaram o mundo* kkkkkkkk

[@tupinijazz]

@@fungiuse tnc

[@samidare9306]

@@fungiuse Terminar o ensino medio por lei não tem nada a ver com patriotismo exagerado que os Estados Unidos tem e que todo cidadão foi ensinando a ter, é isso o que deixa um país cego, e outra, cada país tem sua cultura, um país não tem ''mais cultura'' que outro pois cultura não é calculável em nenhum lugar do universo. A Italia teve os maiores gênios e pessoas influentes toda a historia, Leoanrdo da Vinci, Rafaello Sanzio, Donatello, Michelangelo, Galileu Galilei, Dante Alighieri, Antonio Vivaldi, Marco Polo, Julius Caesar e outros 500 nomes, e nem por isso eles se acham o centro do mundo!

[@JulianRenneberg]

E vão mostrar uma foto para provar isso

[@tupinijazz]

@@fungiuse e lá você acha que não tem? A escola não faz de ninguém menos ignorante, são só números

[@Anonimo1874]

@@fungiuse Vocês são arrogantes pra crlh, sempre querem ser os criadores de tudo, sendo que foi santos dummont que criou o avião, irmãos Wright tem algo em comum com o Batman eles planam

[@leneorsay647]

Brazilian invented the airplane Santos Dumont

[@pranaypatil1969]

Talapade invented airplanes long before the wright brothers made gliders(And that too without the catapults)

[@chrissirhc7]

@AsiA I. yes did a brazilian SANTOS DUMONT

[@danieljeronimo4985]

Lene Orsay 🇧🇷

[@stevebett4947]

@vaijogarcoco ilha The explanation of 3 axes in Euclidian space is described at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenet%E2%80%93Serret_formulas In differential geometry, the Frenet-Serret formulas describe the kinematic properties of a particle moving along a continuous, differentiable curve in three-dimensional Euclidean space ℝ3, or the geometric properties of the curve itself irrespective of any motion. More specifically, the formulas describe the derivatives of the so-called tangent, normal, and binormal unit vectors in terms of each other. The formulas are named after the two French mathematicians who independently discovered them: Jean Frédéric Frenet, in his thesis of 1847, and Joseph Alfred Serret in 1851. Vector notation and linear algebra currently used to write these formulas were not yet in use at the time of their discovery. The connection to 3 axes control is not clear. The Wrights do not seem to be aware of the 1850 work by Frenet & Serret. I don't think that someone who was aware of the paper and early aviation would see a direct connection to 3 axes control. Do you understand what you are claiming or are you just repeating something you read. I think that Cayley may have mentioned 3 axes but he was using the wrong analogy and had no concept of a bank and turn. Turns were identical to the way a boat turns through the use of the rudder. A model of the 14 bis (without ailerons) shows that flat U turns are possible under windless conditions. This level of control as demonstrated in 1908 was hailed by everyone as a major breakthrough but grasping the concept was much more difficult that the Wrights had imagined. Wilbur had to provide an explanation before anyone figured out how they could use wing warping and ailerons and pilot input to increase maneuverability and cope with wind shifts. The patent satisfies all of the requirements for a significant invention. It may lack clarity but later writers on the topic provided a much better explanation. The Wright's may have thought that you had to experience it as a pilot.

[@liljay2326]

Bruh stop spreading misinformation

[@triforcecarrier]

I like how rthe 'specialist' used a lot of negativity towards the flight of santos dummond and just ignored a lot of other details about his flights.

[@Opdf88]

Of course he’s an yankee !

[@gilberto2056]

This experts are idiots

[@stevebett4947]

There was more than one specialist in the video. One was a "Yankee" and one was born and raised in Brazil. What were the details about his flight that you feel were ignored? One overlooked detail is the fact that the undercarriage was damaged and could not take off again without repair. I think that landing without damage was one of the requirements for winning the prize. Could this be the reason that the FAI recognizes another pilot as the first to comply with the FAI requirements? This was the second cash prize that Santos-Dumont won without strictly complying with the contest requirements. Invited to discuss Who Really Invented the Airplane? @Opdf88@slashpuppet1 @adityanair3673 @Omouja @brunoleao6404 @landbell201 @Andre.felipe84 @toastyheater @gilberto 2056 @stevebett4947 @zikalokof1challenge414 @ronielenunes2023 @siriusblackxxrucoy6094 @Romano2018 @duquedecaxias8086 @GiovannaSessa @hu3mpire @IsraelDantass3.14 @srgio3636 @galdsonteixeira1621 @marcosmais3475 @cspog149 @gilbertonedeljunior4825 @giuseppe3010 @FelipeVitorio @stevebett

[@Eric-um9sy]

Quem inventou o avião? Europa, Brasil e o resto do mundo: Santos Dumont Americanos: Irmãos Wright

[@slashpuppet1]

Os americanos gostam de estar contra o resto do mundo: Acreditar em coisas falsas (Irmãos Wright inventaram o avião); Unidade de medida (Milhas e pés, polegada); Nomes (Soccer, para futebol, quando todos (ou quase) os outros países, inclusive Inglaterra, falam algo parecido com Football).

[@adityanair3673]

Actually in India it is also taught wright brothers invented Airplane

[@slashpuppet1]

@@adityanair3673 oh no

[@adityanair3673]

@@slashpuppet1 But It is getting even more interesting now because some Hidden files are coming out And It revealed that 8 year's before wright brothers our Indian Scientist Namer Shivkar Bapuji Talpade had successfully Tested And Made a Airplane but since India was colonised by Britishers at that time This Achievement was Kept under the carpet Some British company also Promised him to fund him with the projects and he gave those design to them but they Cheated on him they Went with the design with and never came to pay him

[@slashpuppet1]

@@adityanair3673 lol

[@washington9382]

Foi Santos Dumont, sorry.

[@BRISINHABRI]

Sim.\yeah.

[@afrale]

No way, Santos Dumont is the inventor of the airplane.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

Rafael Gomes uhuuuuu

[@jatindersingh0001]

No ；indian guy invented in 1895

[@suelyeverton1329]

@@jatindersingh0001 Lier

[@madalenaacaciodefreitas9468]

Not only in Brazil, even in Europe we know that Santos Dumont made it.

[@onlygoodperson]

A human made the plane. Doesn't matter what country they're from.

[@LucasFelipe-yl2qc]

​@@onlygoodpersonActually, do matter.

[@onlygoodperson]

@@LucasFelipe-yl2qc Nationalism? You wanna start arguing?

[@LucasFelipe-yl2qc]

@@onlygoodperson Nope, you are right, but not complete, idk how can I explain to you, but it should because the people of what their country has done, *for example*

[@onlygoodperson]

@@LucasFelipe-yl2qc see the thing is different people believe different things when it comes to the history of aviation which causes arguments and fights so I think it's better to remember the airplane as a human achievement. We're all human after all and we shouldn't be divided by country.

[@HOG95]

They say this just because they are americans, but only the americans think that they invented it, but ask to the rest of the world? And they will say IT WAS SANTOS DUMMONT.

[@sion8]

I'm Colombian and in my home country I was thought it was the Wright brothers by my grandfather that they successfully created the 1st airplane, however the work that led to it was not done by them alone as I came to find out later. Also I had *never* heard of Santos Dummont until this very video! So you're wrong in your assumption.

[@chudawonn]

sion8 So your opinion doesn't worth anything, I mean, it's pretty hard to study science and doesn't know about Dumont, and If you doesn't even study science your opinion it's just another stupid opinion...

[@sion8]

Karol Bertolucci So you insult me because I don't follow your world view? Okay. David n You know you could of just quoted his statement instead of sounding a bit patronizing to me.

[@sion8]

David n No problem.

[@chudawonn]

sion8 I don't have a view, I mean, I'm from Italy and I've heard about Santos, when I came to Brazil of course, I understood better, even more studying science, but SCIENCE is not a point of view, science it''s logic! So when you, that doesn't know anything about science hava a different point of view just of what you want or think a thing to be it's actually pretty stupid!

[@eialexsander]

Santos Dumont= Airplane Weight brothers= Agri Birds

[@icookchildrenandeatthem9085]

@Uriah Bruffett it was a joke man

[@reginaldo2319]

Santos Dumont was the first

[@euroniquim1555]

The International Aviation Federation, which recognizes Santos Dumond as inventor of the airplane, established in the 1906 contest "controlled flight more than 100 meters away, taking off and landing exclusively by own means". The final flight of 14-bis obeyed these criteria, was filmed and documented, flew for 300 meters away, at 6 meters high. The Wright "flight" did not use its own means but a capatulta (this structure on the right side of the image, observe a counterweight falling at the beginning of the takeoff path). In addition, it has never exceeded the minimum mark of 100 meters required by the FIA, and there is no evidence that it actually occurred except the testimony of the neighbor and the Wright employee, both parties concerned. Current images do not count since the engine may have been changed. Do you have any footage from that time? Not? A photo at least? Not! 14

[@josecdgarcia]

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[@stevebett4947]

@euroniquim1555 wrote: The International Aviation Federation (FAI), recognizes Santos Dumond as inventor of the airplane, The 1906 contest "controlled flight more than 100 meters away, taking off and landing exclusively by own means". The final flight of 14-bis obeyed these criteria, was filmed and documented, flew for 300 meters away, at 6 meters high. What is the source of your quote? We are seeking an original copy of the contest rules. Did you find one. Does it really say "controlled flight". As the youtube video says, the analogy was a boat with a rudder. The goal was stability and preventing the boat from capsizing. Dumont had less than 5 min. of rigid wing flight experience. Was he more a passenger than a pilot? In one photo, the ailerons are flapping and the rudder is locked in a full right position. Santos-Dumont was the first to comply with the FAI rules. He had to comply with most of the contest rules in order to win the prize. He taxied about 200 ft. to achieve take off speed. He did not have enough control or experience to handle side winds. When there was a wind gust, he usually landed. A practical airplane cannot wait for perfect windless conditions. The contest winning flight was at dusk when there was insufficient light for the motion picture cameras that were used. He may have flown almost 300 meters but this was the proof that he flew at least 100 m. Invited to discuss Who Really Invented the Airplane? @gilberto 2056 @stevebett4947 @zikalokof1challenge414 @toastyheater.com @ronielenunes2023 @siriusblackxxrucoy6094 @Romano2018 @duquedecaxias8086 @GiovannaSessa @hu3mpire @IsraelDantass3.14 @srgio3636 @galdsonteixeira1621 @marcosmais3475 @cspog149 @gilbertonedeljunior4825 @giuseppe3010 @FelipeVitorio

[@OffJoe]

Com profunda tristeza, tiro minha conclusão por este mórbido trecho da história de Dumon't: "Possivelmente, sobrevoaram o Guarujá, e a visão de aviões em combate pode ter causado uma angústia profunda em Santos Dumont que, nesse dia, aproveitando-se da ausência de seu sobrinho, suicidou-se"

[@zekaazarado5730]

+Joel Gaffar Moura e verdade . e sinal que dumont inventou o avião

[@hitalosousa5165]

@@zekaazarado5730 Sim! A dor de ver que seu trabalho não foi reconhecido deve ter pesado muito na consciência dele.

[@hitalosousa5165]

OffJoe - Realmente, uma profunda tristeza!

[@samusabino]

Até uma vaca voa numa catapulta,americanos se achando hahahahahahahhaha aiai q dó deles...

[@higorss]

@@hitalosousa5165 Ele nao se matou por nao ser reconhecido. Ele se matou por ver metralhadoras acopladas em seu aviao

[@lucaspimentel261]

E os BRs ganharam mais uma vez!!! Translating to ENGLISH: And the brazilians won again!!!

[@samusabino]

Um pedaço de madeira voa com uma catapulta

[@samusabino]

@@Heloisas2011 será???????pelo jeito você nem pesquisou pra formular isso né?

[@hylex1482]

@@Heloisas2011 seu QI é negativo

[@Heloisas2011]

@@hylex1482 não :)

[@hylex1482]

@@Heloisas2011 Não precisa ser dito que é ironia pra ser ironia.

[@samuelgino7249]

Well the Wright brothers had their contribution to aviation for sure, but for sure Santos is the father of aviation, unfortunately as Americans we like to be the first in everything, so 2 years after Santos did fly around Eiffel Tower with all European witness, French, Germans and so many people from all over the world, the wright brothers show their flight and the airplane the US government bought from them at 1911 have all fall down and cause a lot of death ( heavy nose ),no aerodynamic any questions watch * wings of madness of PBS Nova. don`t be foul buying those knuckle heads ideas,they don`t even know what they had for breakfast ! would be like if 3 years later Russians said "we landed on the moon first and everybody from Russia would agree, easy to say! no proof, trophy goes to the French-Brazilian dude.

[@MattC-jg1yb]

samuel gino father of aviation? Yeah right "October 1905 Wilbur Wright did 59 minutes of flight in the Flyer III. An hour in the air is a long, long time. In 1905 it was fantastic. He'd go overhead and the locals would say: "Ah, that's just the Wright Brothers. They think they can fly." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/... If you can fly for a solid hour you have all the major problems of airplanes solved. Who else was even close to doing that in 1905? This is not a "North American narrative" told by North Americans. This is what happened. The Wrights built the first practical airplanes that flew and flew and flew. In 1905, not 1906. They did that by solving all the major problems. Everybody else basically copied them. The Flyer III launched from a monorail track to reduce friction, but it did NOT use a catapult. It was fully self launched."

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

@@MattC-jg1yb official proofs, Guy, official documents with pictures, please. No exist flights in magazines, Guy.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

@@MattC-jg1yb official documents Guy, the Wright arguments in papers!!!! No.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

@@MattC-jg1yb the Wright brothers And your motorized glider between 1903 1905 on the ground, on the ground, on the ground.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

Flights in newspapers And magazines!!!!?absurd

[@selmanedel7973]

mr.spencer, the wright brothers declared in their diary book That the ability to run and takeoff was only developed by them in 1910, in conformity ANATOLE DE FRANCE declarations 1909. based in jay spencer's criteria to disqualify Dumont 's event, wright brothers Did not fill all requirements to first airplane untill 1910. the flyers Could not be considered an airplane untill 1910. Dumont Won in 1906.

[@stevebett4947]

What did Mr. Spencer declare? The Wright's were aware of wheeled take off since it was the common on contraptions that were supposed to fly. Most of the early bicycle wheel landing gears collapsed on landing and required extensive repair. The 14-bis had a number of these mishaps. Bicycle wheels would probably not work in the sands of Kitty Hawk or in the muddy pasture at Huffman Prairie . Wilbur came up with clever minimalist solution: standard 2x4 wooden planks and a wheeled trolley that was jettisoned or left behind on on take-off. As there was usually ample wind at Kitty Hawk , there was no need for a catapult. You sometimes had to wait a few days for a good wind. Dec. 17, 2003 only had about 4 mph of wind. On Dec. 14, 1903, the Wrights did answer one of their questions: Would a hill compensate for the lack of a strong headwind? It didn't. The same wind conditions occurred on Dec. 17, 2003 with the same results. The Wright Flyer would not fly without the assistance of a strong headwind, a small motor of over 8 hp., and .... Ld Barros was right. Wheels were added in 1910 because the Army required them as a condition of sale. Once added, the Wright Flyer 2, Model A? with over 28 hp had no trouble building up enough speed on a taxi to take off.

[@stevebett4947]

@vaijogarcoco ilha SB: Here is what Frennet's invented: In differential geometry, the Frenet-Serret formulas describe the kinematic properties of a particle moving along a continuous, differentiable curve in three-dimensional Euclidean space R3, or the geometric properties of the curve itself irrespective of any motion. More specifically, the formulas describe the derivatives of the so-called tangent, normal, and binormal unit vectors in terms of each other. The formulas are named after the two French mathematicians who independently discovered them: Jean Frédéric Frenet, in his thesis of 1847, and Joseph Alfred Serret, in 1851. Do you see a connection between this and the Wright application. Do you know of any lawyer who tried to use the Frenet-Serret formulas to challenge the Wright's patent?

[@thusharas1970]

What about India man

[@MrDevanir2012]

QUEM INVENTOU O AVIAO FOI SANTOS DUMONT.... SORRY AMERICANS!

[@mah4926]

Sory i dont falo língua de quem joga xadrez sem duas torres (eu teria falado isso pra algum estadunicenses se eu soubesse o que eles estão falando, consegui entender quase nada dos coments, mais percebi que a maioria abaixou o orgulho e admitiu que foi o Dumont

[@sdb1910]

@@mah4926 oq?

[@stevebett4947]

@@mah4926 English translation: Sorry i don't speak the language of someone who plays chess without two towers SB: I thought we were talking about the organization that came up with a way to promote French aviation by coming up with new definitions that would handicape the Wrights. As a result of their self serving efforts, a majority of the reading public probably doubted the claims of the Wrights. After 2000, their arbitrary rules and definitions influenced the opinion of many Brazilians.. MAH: (I would have said that to some statesmen if I knew what they are talking about, I managed to understand almost nothing from the comments, but I realized that most of them lowered their pride and admitted that it was Dumont. SB: Name one. Claims without evidence are worthless outside of a pep rally. I have admitted that if you accept the FAI biased rules of evidence, Santos Dumont was the first to achieve a heavier than air hop. What if you use the dictionary definition and add the Wrights addendum that a practical airplane requires 3 axis control and a hop of more than 600 ft. (200 yds or more than the length of 2 football fields)? To win the Archdeacon prize, the 14 bis was required to fly 100 m. Does this mean that a flight of 220 m. would be accepted as incontestable? Probably not but I will entertain arguments to the contrary. If beyond doubt or incontestable is connected to the way the rules for the competition were drafted, everything else is open to doubt and questions. Santos Dumont was able to secure an earlier Archdeacon prize after he had exceeded the specified time limit.

[@Vinistonesrrr]

@@mah4926 wtf Nagito

[@Markdotea]

Well I think they should have looked for the opinion of an idoneous country, an American talking about this isn't the best option, not only that but they omitted many important information such as the impact of later Dumont's planes on modern planes. I'm sorry, but this video lacks information.

[@capoeiracomic]

*Claro que o avião é americano!* O Brasil fica na América!!

[@svnn4743]

latino americano

[@capoeiracomic]

@@svnn4743 continente latino?

[@falido.5374]

@@svnn4743 a América latina e uma região que define os países latinos americanos e não o continente

[@oscarcarmo6160]

The Santos Dumont's invention fulfilled every requirement of the definition of airplane. Besides, his presentations was testimonied by a truly crowd and by the Aéro-club de France. The Rights Brother's invention depended on a catapult to take off, which invalidate the creation.

[@peterson7082]

Not really the case

[@smariagirlandia]

@@peterson7082 eu quero pic@s no meu cu!

[@Daniel-oc8sx]

"With a catapult even a cow is able to fly"

[@suelidoliva]

It is clear: Santos Dumont, for surre.

[@gabiginez]

Didin't know catapulting an airplane was considered take of on its on power. Here we see a nice (in)partial expert

[@diasdiasdiasdias4573]

sorry, people, but the wright's replicas on the floor. santos's replicas on the air.

[@GabieApolo]

I'm brazilian as well and I come from a family of aviators. And I don't want to create a fight or anything but 14-Bis had all the items that define an airplane. But personally I don't really care, Santos Dummont and The Wright Brothers did an amazing job and I'm a fan of all of them. Those top lads. The Father of Flight to me though is Otto Lilienthal for inventing the glider.

[@stevebett4947]

and the glider meets all of the requirements for the modern definition of AIRPLANE.

I only wonder if the story was the other way around: the Wright Brothers do their first flight in Paris, in front of thousands of people. Then, later a Brazilian guy comes up saying he promises he flew first!! His witness were his grandmother and two chickens. I can see immediately everybody believing on his account of the facts and he would be named the inventor of the airplane. Sounds feasible right?? And by the way, the specialist on the video is American, right?! Oh, right, so we must believe him...

[@quintero7889]

dumont: fly wright: fall in style

[@junisaraiva6219]

in this vídeo santos flying in two moments and landing. where is the official and governamental vídeos, photos, documents and proofs wright's flights between 1903 - 1905.?

[@iChiphead]

What, don't you know? Any Brazilian will tell you that there is no proof because Wilbur Wright was soloing for the first time in the maiden flight of the Wright Flyer at Le Mans, France.

[@leonardos7186]

O verdadeiro inventor do avião foi Santos Dumont, esses irmãos só fizeram um planador se isso de fato for verdade até porque não há provas cabíveis.

[@samusabino]

Qualquer coisa voa com um estilingue

[@cspog149]

@@samusabino Até eu voo com um estilingue

[@rajharsh3114]

More like a long jump than an actual flight.

[@shivamsaroha6437]

Shivkar bapuji talpade was the first person who invented the airplane in 1895. He was from 🇮🇳 INDIA due to no media coverage world was not able to know about him but it is written in historical indain books . (Written before 1900)

[@peterson7082]

It was unmanned.

[@shivamsaroha6437]

@@peterson7082 because India was under rule of Britain.. they didn’t gave coverage or importance to his discoveries..

[@peterson7082]

@@shivamsaroha6437 Not really that, but wouldn't qualify anymore than Whitehead's later experiments. Heavier than air, yes, powered, yes. Manned, no.

[@Mr.Newt62]

BRASIL É O MELHOR,

[@hardtodescribe7628]

Vai nessa...

[@renatoantunes4988]

@@hardtodescribe7628 pode até não ser o melhor, mas q tem grande potencial e gênios, disso não tenha a menor dúvida. O Brasil é uma "fábrica" de gênios, o problema é q alguns vão embora e preferem alavancar os países dis outros ao invés de serem patrioras e tentarem alavancar o Brasil.

[@fungiuse]

Sim, Isaac, e' o melhor em corrupção, drogas, maracutaias, assaltos, putaria de mulher peladas nas praias e no Rio, etc etc. O melhor mesmo!!

[@joaoga.7870]

@@fungiuse tem razão Mas pelo menos o avião tá na nossa conta

[@zBuddyHolly]

Take off and land under it's own power. How can this "specialist" say this and then say that the wright brother's invented the airplane. Their airplane needed a catapult to take off.

[@jaydlytning]

The 1903 Wright Flyer did not use a catapult. It was only after they achieved flight that the catapult was added in 1904.

[@iChiphead]

Bruno, I don't consider 6 meters (ground effect) to be taking off at all--that's the highest that 14-bis ever flew. It also never performed a controlled turn. I haven't checked, but I think there is something about that in the Aeroclub rules. Try a catapult next time.

[@zBuddyHolly]

"I dont consider a flight to be a flight" ok sir

[@iChiphead]

The issue is that you claim that the Wright Flyer was not an airplane, and the 14-bis was. But if you compare the relative merits, you are being ridiculous. In 1905, the Wright Flyer III flew a distance of 24 miles in 39 minutes with numerous turns. The altitude was between 50-100 feet. That was a phenomenal achievement. True flight. In 1906, 14-bis best flight was for a distance of 220 meters and a height of 6. 14-bis could not perform a controlled turn. Honestly, which flight do you think really deserved the credit? Which flight came first? ..Don't say catapult--the Wrights preferred to use a catapult, but it wasn't a strict necessity. FAI records prove that the Wright Flyer could fly without a catapult.

[@silviacoxxxnando2288]

Bruno Oliveira this vídeo is a shammer.

[@brksmiguel]

Com catapulta até a mãe do Ademiro voa.

[@JOAOPEDRO-nv5bk]

A Sam é pra lá 👉

[@babacainutil546]

Quer levar ban?

[@zikalokof1challenge414]

(Comentário pego, autor: Sokol10) O Flyer II e o Flyer III que voaram em 1904 e 1905, proporcionavam controle total do voo, voando em círculos, 8 e ficando no ar por quase uma hora, fato noticiado nos jornais de Dayton, com testemunho de diversos cidadãos, de diversas profissões, como bombeiro, banqueiro... sem conexão com os Wright.

[@Tehn00bA]

While Santos Dummont couldn't control all it's axis, the Wright Brothers machine couldn't take off by itself; they needed a catapult to lanuch it. So, in the end, we still don't know who completed all requirements first.

[@johnmacmillan3941]

it was alberto santos dumont why ? becose all modern airplanes looks like Demoiselle No21 that invented Alberto Santos-Dumont, and he did not put patent on his airplane like Wright brothers did, so maybe Alberto Santos-Dumont was not the first but his design was actualy used in aircraft or can u see some planes designed like wright brothers plane ? NO u dont!

[@TempestQ]

take the winds and see the machine of wright brothers in floor. look in -john denver and his father.- in video the flyer no realized the motorized flight, the machine is a glider. depended winds. SANTO DUMONT IN THIS VIDEO REALIZED MOTORIZED FLIGHT.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

Tehn00bA Born 20 July 1873 in state of Minas Gerais, Alberto Santos Dumont moved to Paris in 1891 but never forgot his birthplace. He soon began experimenting with flying, and designed his first balloon, the Brasil, in 1898. He later built and flew 11 dirigibles, including the prize-winning Number 6. He flew his first airplane, the 14-bis, on October 1906, the first aircraft to take off and land without any external assistance(*). His many other contributions to aviation included his 1907 Demoiselle, the precursor to modern light airplanes. He returned definitely to Brazil in 1931 and died 1932. AIAA honor of SANTOS DUMONT Centennial 2006.

[@jefersongomes2009]

Santos Dumont. Foi criador do primeiro avião a sair do chão e pronto. Aceita k dói menos🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@MrClivesinger]

Aw thanks man that means a lot. I wrote those while doing my PhD at NTU (working on very different stuff now at UoN) I get the occasional citation which is always gratifying, but it never beats having someone actually tell you your work is interesting! I hope as my career advances I never stop getting bored of people wanting to talk to me about my work (which hopefully will get better and better over time!). Good luck with your studies!

[@leemajorslee9138]

14 bis in flight and down great santos dumont job, the real inventor airplane,

[@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter]

3:00 the Whright Flyer didn't take off by itself, and Santos-Dumont 14-bis wasn't fully controllable in 3-axis, so what is the first aircraft who met all requirements?

[@stoppingcow52]

Solid proof that it was Santos Dumont: the wheels of the plane are called "trem de pouso" in portuguese which translates to "landing gear". Santos Dumont was born in the state of Minas Gerais, and in this state they call everything "trem" which is the gear from the landing gear.

[@NinjaG-pt4xl]

U are right, i'm a Braziliam and i livr in Minas Gerais, we use "trem" to everything, we use it to call things if we didn't know the name or didn't remeber the name of the thing.

[@alflurin]

I have to agree with our Brazilian brothers, Santos Dummond was the man! If Dummond didn't do it because his plane lacked an axis than the Wright brothers failed as well lacking the ability to take off on its own. And many planes, even during WW1 didn't have yaw. Are you saying they were not airplanes?? A bit of a short minded view, in my opinion. And asking an American Expert to talk about this is really not the best way to get an unbiased opinion, wouldn't you say? If he was Brazilian, would you agree with his opinion?? But nice video anyway, there ins't and I don't there will ever be one single truth. I can agree than both the Wright bros. and Dummond were pillars of our modern aviation.

[@CristtiãnoPaes]

Who Really Invented the Airplane? Dumont and Wright brothers, it's the correct answer, both of them contributed to the airplane invention.

[@All_Seeing_Knap]

Many Brazilians in this comment section said they should have had a foreign expert. I am neither, but I am from North Carolina, the home state of the Wright brothers and "first in flight". First and foremost, The Wright brothers did not use a catapult to launch their planes between 1901 and 1903, the Wright flyer had to be pulled by both wings off of a sand dune. The Catapult was used in 1904 when testing their 'second' powered aeroplane. The Wright brother's 1903 flight lasted roughly 57 seconds (depending on who you ask, 59 seconds), which is a whopping 20-30 second difference between Dumonts. The Wright brothers flight was extremely recorded, some of their flights were even examined by the King of Italy, Victor Emmanuel III, because he had an interest in aviation.

[@sogeking9611]

I'm a brazilian, and i agree that the Wright brothers invented the airplane

[@Nanfeii]

Eita sindrome de vira lata

[@sogeking9611]

@@Nanfeii Os cara baba ovo do Santos Dummont só por ele ser BR

[@Baldringa69]

​@@sogeking9611cala a boca matt do cartoonizando, vai baba ovo de gringo na casa do caralho

[@nabucodonosor863]

Santos Dumount was the first one to fly... that is a fact...

[@pilot4211]

Nope could barely get off the ground 🤣 did you even watch the video

[@leemajorslee9138]

the brothers never present the machine before alberto santos dumont, after dumont all the world fly. fact

[@sonhomeu1541]

@@bheema330 Esqueca, replicas of this were built and did not fly and what existed before Dumont were gliders.

[@ricardodias4654]

I'm Brazilian and I'm among the few Brazilians that recognize the precedency of the Wright Brothers as the first aviators. This theme is kind of taboo in Brazil. People get pissed off if somebody says that Santos Dumont did not invented the airplane, because he is a national hero in Brazil. Every town has a street named after him and they are very proud of his work as aviator. What I think is that something as complex as the airplane does not have a single inventor. This is a patriarchal view of things. Things that do need a "father". In the other hand, we also have to credit the women of the begining of the last century who did the mathematical calculations and also some of them who really flew, like Raymonde Laroche and Gladys Roy and so on. Anyway, reading some books and watching some videos I concluded that the Wright Brothers were the first aviators, but I also think that Santos Dumont was really important for the development of the blimp and the airplane itself with the Demoiselle. And some people consider Otto Lilienthal the first aviator.

[@ricardodias4654]

What I should add is that although I recognize the Wrights as the inventors who made the first flight, the contributions for the development of the aeronautical science made by Santos-Dumont were greater than the brothers, because Santos-Dumont never did any patent for his work. All his work was open source. Everybody could copy his ideas anytime. And this was the case sometimes. The Wright brothers, on contrary, were very concerned with patents and copyright. In some moments they even stopped to develop the airplane to deal with lawsuits. Every flight of Santos-Dumont were public and the brothers worked in secrecy. This is why we have this controversy of the first aviator even today in 2024.

[@agauerm]

Dumont: Video recording of the feat, in front of a crowd, officially recognized by the Aéro-Club de France as the 1st heavier than air manned aircraft. Wright: " Trust me bro, but hey - here a picture which I Can't confirm the date"

[@iChiphead]

Even in France - never a country too eager to agree with the American point of view - the Wrights are considered to have flown before Santos-Dumont, says Claude Carlier, the director of the French Center for the History of Aeronautics and Space.

[@silviacoxxxnando2288]

iChiphead read fai official record. Please. The records for Dumont was 1906. the all records for wright brothers was 1908.

[@iChiphead]

@@silviacoxxxnando2288 the "first flight", and the "first aviation record" are two different things. FAI didn't exist in 1903, so they wouldn't have issued an official record for something that took place then, but they do recognize the Wright Brothers for making the first powered, manned, and controlled heavier-than-air flight. You're arguing that Santos-Dumont flew first because he received the first aviation record, but many people see that a little differently.

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

Born 20 July 1873 in state of Minas Gerais, Alberto Santos Dumont moved to Paris in 1891 but never forgot his birthplace. He soon began experimenting with flying, and designed his first balloon, the Brasil, in 1898. He later built and flew 11 dirigibles, including the prize-winning Number 6. He flew his first airplane, the 14-bis, on October 1906, the first aircraft to take off and land without any external assistance(*). His many other contributions to aviation included his 1907 Demoiselle, the precursor to modern light airplanes. He returned definitely to Brazil in 1931.

[@fep_ptcp883]

So basically Santos Dumont was (at least) the first one to have the balls to try flying a machine heavier than air in front of many witnesses in the center of Paris and to try to win a money prize they offered there INSTEAD of only doing it in secret in the middle of nowhere (as Wright Brothers did, with the unmistakeable mindset of "lets patent this shit and make millions of it"). Santos Dumont not only won the prizes for baloon and heavier than air flights, but even made his designs not patented. So Kitty Hawk flight almost certainly happened, but what does this really mean for Wilbur and Orville? Didn't they knew of the prize in Paris? Couldn't they go there before 1906, before Dumont, to amaze the crowd with their sleek and advanced Flyer machine? Were they surprised when learned of Dumont's achievement with an aircraft less advanced than theirs? Does it matter if I can run 100 meters faster than Usain Bolt, but only do this in my backyard in North Carolina, refraining from doing it at the Olympics?

[@stevebett4947]

@fep_ptcp883 wrote: " Santos Dumont was the first one to have the balls to try flying a machine heavier than air" That appears to be an overstatement. There were dozens of flight pioneers who endured crashes (sometimes multiple crashes) who were just as brave. Wilbur and his brother applied for a patent on a better method for controlling flight before they or anyone else had achieved more than a short hop. They were interested in cashing in and were reluctant to allow anyone to invest in their crazy endeavor. This meant that they had to conduct a series of experiments on the cheap. The point was to prove their concept of controlled flight. They identified potential buyers and were not at all concerned with the general public. Anyone who wanted proof had to pay for it. Their father told them not to expect any money from him and encouraged them to find a way to pay as you go. They had a contract with a French delegation in 1904 but the French government reneged. They did not get another contract until 1906 and this is what made it possible to visit Europe in 1906 and send a Wright Flyer 2 Model A to France in 1907. This prototype was heavier and sturdier than their 1904 design, had 2 seats, and was powered by a new engine producing 32 hp. Wikipedia has a page on each of Wright's engines along with a page on the Antoinette 50 hp engine that Santos-Dumont and others used. For some reason, the Wrights were rarely interested in contests. They supported those who bought a Model A and entered a contest. The Wrights were worried that someone would discover their secret and build a practical airplane before they did. Even those with full knowledge of the design and how wing warping worked did not discover the secret. Wilbur had to explain it to Bleriot in 1908 probably believing that he would be as slow as they were in adding it to his monoplane. It would have take the Wrights up to 2 years to build a new prototype. Louis Blériot did it in 4 months. Before the channel crossing, the European manufacturers had 150 orders for the Flyer. After Bleriot's success, the orders shrank to around 50. This was a significant loss of money. Louis Blériot (/ˈblɛrioʊ/ BLERR-ee-oh, (for details check Wikipedia. The article is available in English, French, and Portuguese) The main purpose for the trip was to prepare for the European production of the soon to be revealed Wright Flyer 2 Model A. The negotiated with European engine builders who would build replicas of the 1906 Wright Vertical 4 (28hp) engine under license. Wilbur received 7 engines from the French engine builder in 1908. Reports in newspapers and magazines may not be reliable. This is why the Wright's wanted to get the opinion of Ferdinand Ferber who had recently switched from a doubter to a disciple of the Wrights in 1905. Ferber had doubts because he tested the aircraft that Archdeacon had imported to France. Capt.Ferber could not duplicate their record breaking performances. -- @zikalokof1challenge414 was supposed to present everything: PUBLICLY, IN FRONT OF EXPERTS, A LARGE AUDIENCE, PHOTOGRAPHING, RUNNING, TAKEOFF, STAYING IN THE AIR WITH ENGINE POWER AND LANDING. SEND A LINK TO A NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE DATED BETWEEN 1903-1905 WITH A REPORT OF THE FLIGHT AND PHOTOS OF THIS FLIGHT. PLEASE! There are photos but it would be hard to authenticate the date for all of them. The dates and the names of the newspapers which featured articles on the 1903 flight can be found by reading the responses of others. Specifically SPONG I don't recall seeing a photograph of the large audience but there are multiple accounts of the public performances. The best account is by Capt. Ferber who interviewed 12 prominent citizens who were present. Ferber, a former critic, said he now believed the Wright stories He could not convince Archdeacon and other members of the French Aero-Club before 1908. They remained unconvinced until they saw how well the Wright Flyer 2 Model A performed at Le Mans in 1908. The famous photo of the 1903 flight by Orville was not released until 1908. . There are at least two videos of the exact replica taking off in a 15 mph breeze. They were published here among 1000 other comments. I would like for you to practice doing real research rather than parroting something you heard from another Santos-Dumont fan. If you want me to do the research for you, you have to promise to explain why you won't accept it as good evidence. It is not as impressive as Alan's video of his look-alike replica with modern enhancements. AC's replica was on a sunny day and with an engine with half the power of the 50 hp Antoinette. This alone suggests that this performance could not be an indication of the 1906 flight of the original 14 bis. Names of invited to discuss: to be added -

[@fep_ptcp883]

@@stevebett4947 you misquoted me on purpose, don't do that. I said first one to have the balls to fly IN FRONT of a large audience. Also Dumont made his blueprints "creative commons" before it was cool. Way more important for the development of aircrafts than other pioneers imho. Not to diminish Wright Brothers heroic deeds, but they were totally like the man able to run faster than Usain Bolt, but just "not interested" (?) in doing it at the Olympics or any athletic competition. They had their reasons, I guess. They could easily do what Dumont did, even one or two years earlier. HOWEVER THEY DID NOT DO IT, DID THEY?

[@stevebett4947]

@@fep_ptcp883 I don't think I misquoted you, I just didn't repeat the entire comment. The point was to provide enough information for the reader to find the original comment. I think you are saying that the size of the audience or the number of witnesses is important. I think it is important but why would it make Santos-Dumont braver than other aeronautical pioneers. How does the size of the audience make the feat riskier or the pilot more heroic? I am not sure that the Wright Brothers could have come to France and compete with the best. They didn't have the funds to do it until 1906. In 1907, they were busy setting up European businesses to build engines and air-frames. They thought there was no particular rush since they thought they were 5 years ahead of anyone else. They received as much as $50,000 by giving the European financiers their European Patents. The details are rather murky. Invited to comment: @stevebett4947 @gilberto2056

[@iscoppie]

the guy doing his Jimmy Stewart impression is adorable, glad he had the courage to do it

[@gilbertonedeljunior4825]

iscoppie Born 20 July 1873 in state of Minas Gerais, Alberto Santos Dumont moved to Paris in 1891 but never forgot his birthplace. He soon began experimenting with flying, and designed his first balloon, the Brasil, in 1898. He later built and flew 11 dirigibles, including the prize-winning Number 6. He flew his first airplane, the 14-bis, on October 1906, the first aircraft to take off and land without any external assistance(*). His many other contributions to aviation included his 1907 Demoiselle, the precursor to modern light airplanes. He returned definitely to Brazil in 1931.

[@yashvantbelgaonkar349]

In 1895 shivkar talpade indian sintist created an aeroplane and 5000 year ago bhaskaracharya wrote book on how to built an aircraft.

[@edricklawrenceong7776]

I live in the Philippines and been to many schools and here it's a universally accepted fact the Wright brothers did it first.

[@leneorsay647]

+Edrick Ong all lie, santos dummont invented the airplane

[@leneorsay647]

thanks

[@leneorsay647]

thanks , :D

[@gabriel2404ful]

The world is controlled by the american capitalism get it.

[@guil-_-9638]

Lenny ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) The truth

[@strokez7002]

Aanekal Subbashastri invented it and the first flight took place Delhi, India back in 1895 but right brothers who were in the verge of inventing flying vehicles captured this invention and put it under their name. I watched this fact a news tv show when I was a kid. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[@alltmedia7303]

YOU ARE WRONG!!! Who invented it was Santos Dummond in 1903.

[@Covinh4]

*Santos Dumont* ♥️

[@bakedpotato1087]

This comment session turned out to become a real war between brazilians and americans

[@cardinalRG]

Don't forget the Indians who fly in with their evidence-free claims for Talpade.

[@CarlusHakai]

@@cardinalRG preconception

[@cardinalRG]

@@CarlusHakai --What does your comment mean?

[@deepaksridhar5349]

Indians had aeroplane in Vedic age, again reinvented in recent era, before Wright Brothers !

[@LiaThePenguinologist]

Okay so I looked that up because it sounded really cool, but the closest thing I could find was the Vaimānika Śāstra, a text written in the early 20th century supposedly derived by "psychic channeling" that described the author's modernized idea of vimanas, which were obviously never meant to be considered practical aircraft. Was that what you were talking about? Because if so, I don't think it's very trustworthy.

[@deepaksridhar5349]

correct no proofs of vedic age available- But its stated as PUSHPAKA VIMANA- in ramayana.... But of course no hard evidence

[@zekaazarado5730]

your ass the Wright brothers created a powered aircraft and a catapult or almost flew right ja Alberto Santos Dumont created a motor plane that flew 220 meters of the ground will atltura saints Dumon GO BRAZIL

[@dia9867]

Império Extremos I am not being rude or something but by what I know is airplane was invented in 1895 by shivkar bapujee talpade , again I am not sure but this is what I know n his invention was not considered by some committee in India n group of scientists but his invention did work n in Vedas it is mentioned about airplane designs and about Pythagoras ( in Ramayana ) that I am sure about ...well I wanted to say is credits of many inventions in this world are actually not given to the person who actually invented it or was successful first due to domination of particular groups and there are a lot of things unknown to us ...

[@zekaazarado5730]

Anindya Raina and if a tree falls and no one was seeing would believe that the tree fell or that someone cut her off

[@naoeoquevocepensa7181]

Santos Dumont! The first.

[@WTFuc4]

He defamed santos dumont by saying he flew an air balloon. In fact, the air baloon(14 bis) was just an experiment. The real airplane was invented afterwards.

[@renatoantunes4988]

Ask a persor from the usa about who invented the plane and what do u think they will answer??!

[@stevebett4947]

@TOR: Are you saying that the 14-bis was not a practical airplane? I have never understood the reason for having to test the flight characteristics of the 14-bis by dangling it from a dirigible. The speed was not sufficient to get much information on how it could be controlled when the speed was over 20 mph. As an experiment, the attachment to a blimp was probably a failure. However, I think it was turned into an excellent story and was a PR success.

[@arthurcorreia7204]

The time when my country could compete in many things, nowadays we have absolutely nothing, unfortunately.

[@l3m649]

Mentira temos a copa do mundo e o luva de pedreiro da pau a pau com o Messi.

[@guilhermesantos2953]

@@l3m649 bela bosta, só futebol

[@IanPiedras]

Oh great, a whole video talking only and exclusively about the Wright Brothers, with minimum participation of a brazilian, not going through Dummont's invention, only talking about the creative process of the brothers' "plane" instead of why, historically, they "invented the plane" before Santos and not setting up a debate whatsoever. Just what I came looking for.

[@alezerazera595]

I think one point that It could have been mentioned that despite several attempts no replica of the Wright brothers' plane has ever left the ground, while replicas of the 14Bis have flown

[@cardinalRG]

There are no 14-bis replicas, only what are known as "look-alikes" in the aviation community. They are aircraft largely like the originals, but also featuring upgrades and other modifications. For example, the most faithful 14-bis look-alike, by Calassa, has a re-designed airfoil (the original design is lost to history), a lightweight, high-efficiency Rotax engine, and a modern propeller whose design connects back to the pioneering work of the Wrights. As such, the look-alike does not have the same performance range as the original 14-bis, so it does not prove or disprove the claims for the original. We know by other evidence that the original 14-bis flew. Likewise, an attempt to test the claims for the 1903 right Flyer would have to use a genuine replica, and the attempt would have to take place in comparable physical conditions. So far as I know, this hasn't ever been done. Wright critics often cite the 2003 Centennial celebration attempt as legitimate, but it isn't, for reasons I'll be happy to explain, if you'd like. The bottom line is that the claims for the 1903 Flyer must be judged by other evidence, because there is no "replica" evidence available.

[@selmanedel7973]

jay spencer stated That 14 bis was not an airplane because it made the flight Straight and was incontrolable machines!!!!!! huuuummmm great contradiction. mr, spencer, the flight Straight was one of the requirements, just check, and incontrolable machines don't make flights in Straight line.

[@CharteredIIA]

Santos Dumont invented Airplane Wright brothers invented Angry birds

[@KingFelBR_001]

Dumont : creates plane super hard to build and plan* Wright brothers : Angry Birds 2 😎👍

[@priyampanda7287]

Excuse me everyone,the Indians were the first to fly. You all must be wondering from where did we learn the art of making aircraft for your kind information an aircraft is referred to as a vimana in the Vedas written about 7000 years ago so it proves aeronautic sense of people in the Vedic period and during the British rule an Indian named Shivkar Bapuji Talpade made his first plane according to the Vedas and successfully conducted his first flight. It was not a glider,it had propellers and was driven by some sort of fuel.After about 8 years the wright brothers invented the plane. So it were the Indians. 😊😊😊😊✈✈Jai Hind.

[@papepomamemo7223]

Sorry but NO. The Wright Brothers didn't fly. Wright Flyer was pushed into the air by a catapult and glided to the ground. The 14bis did take off, fly for the length set by french authorities and landed in Paris airport. Wright Flyer I was just an exotic glider with an engine but not actual propulsion. Did I also mention that there is no actual document proof for the first Wright Brothers flight?

[@likakalls187]

Santos Dumont , studied , so often crashed with his previous projects . He wanted anyway that your idea works on the practice and everybody podesse see it happening. How many and how many more projects he reviewed , it is not easy to make a theory that there is not work. Invents a thing in the world that does not yet exist and make it work ?? so you can see it is not easy not guys !! , the guy worked hard to have this position PAI AVIATION !!

[@likakalls187]

VALEU ,obrigado ,só disse a verdade ,tem gente que não tem a noção do que essa cara representa MUNDIALMENTE falando !!

[@likakalls187]

***** Bom , eu assiste o video e queria dar a minha opinião nele . Se o Inglês está escrito errado ou não está tão bom assim ,acho que você deveria culpar o GOOGLE . Pois a tradução vem dele . Eu não ligo para os que os outros pensam ,cada um tem seu patriotismo .Eu moro no Brasil e tenho raízes aqui e não lá !!

[@pereiravagner96]

+lika kalls the first self-propelled airplane was made by Alberto Santos Dumont

[@zekaazarado5730]

+lika kalls Cara se deve ser um dostipos de americano que vira-se uma grande lider mundial ou um jogador de futebol igual ao messi e fala-se que quem inventou oa vião foi dumont

[@likakalls187]

Império Extremos Oi Império . Então não sou eu que estou dizendo isso ,é a história .Tá lá pra todo mundo ver e ler e rever . Santos Dumont é o pai da aviação . Ele é o único que tem documentos e videos e milhares de testemunhas comprovando seu invento .Fico surpresa ver um brasileiro não saber disso !!

[@sarahguimaraes3640]

TEAM DUMONT !!!!! LOL ...Now you go call an european specialist, pleeeeease! Btw, Santos Dumont was a great inventor ... not just a rich boy with nerdy hobbies. No need to defame him , Mister AMERICAN specialist, sir.

[@PorcoParker]

wright they invented the glider ... now a real airplane that takes off alone and the rest was invented by Santos Dumont.

[@TogeInumaki-b3h]

Oliver Wright and Wilber Wright were two brothers born into a family of farmers in Dayton, Ohio, in the late 19th century. Oliver, the older of the two, was always focused on the practical side of life. He was a hard worker, taking care of the family farm from a young age and later becoming a skilled mechanic and carpenter. Wilber, on the other hand, was more interested in the challenges and possibilities of the outside world. He was imaginative, creative, and always looking for something new. Despite their differences, the brothers were inseparable as children, spending countless hours exploring the countryside and dreaming up new inventions. As they grew older, they became aware of the world of aviation and the tremendous potential it held. They began seriously studying aeronautics, designing and building their own gliders and experimenting with new techniques. Oliver was mostly interested in the design and mechanics of the planes, while Wilber had a natural talent for flying and the prowess to make an on-the-spot decision. The two worked tirelessly, using their own resources to fund their projects and getting their data from news clippings and snippets from scientific Journals. In 1899, the Wright brothers contacted Octave Chanute, a renowned aviation expert, and shared their work in flight. They used the time to acquire information on the research carried out by other inventors such as Samuel P. Langley. The brothers obtained a better understanding of aeronautics through their interaction with Chanute allowing them to advance their theories. The brothers continued perfecting their inventions but had not thought of applying for a Patent on their invention. Eventually, other inventors after reviewing their documented and methodical approach to invention; referred to their designed flight techniques for their own prototypes. However, in 1903, the Wright brothers made history when they took to the sky in their powered aircraft, called the Wright Flyer I. They launched from Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, and flew for 12 seconds, covering 120 feet. This was the first time anyone had ever flown in a powered, controlled flight, and it revolutionized the aviation industry forever. Despite their impressive achievement, Oliver wanted to keep improving the plane's design, while Wilber saw commercial possibilities from which the aviation industry could profit. An intense rivalry began between them. Oliver was furious as Wilber went ahead and filed the patent, which excluded him from both recognition and financial gain. Wilber became increasingly successful in the aviation industry, starting a large aircraft manufacturing company that provided planes for the military during World War I. Oliver left behind a blue-collar life to become an inventor and made headlines for his discovery in nuclear energy, which resulted in the complete meltdown of a reactor costing 1821 lives. In 1948 Oliver died in a car accident. Wilber lived until 1958, leaving behind a legacy that had profoundly changed the world of aviation. The brother's dispute over patent continued up to their deaths, forever leading to debates over whether power and fame influenced an ethical principle essential to their achievements, which would stand as a landmark of brotherhood achievement.

[@matheusbatistaaraujo267]

with a catapult, even a cow flies ...

[@thetruth9816]

The catapult was just used as a flight aid similar to aircraft carriers. The plane could still fly without it. The catapult was introduced a year after the 1st Wright brother plane flew.

[@daviiboliveiraa]

@@thetruth9816 The first flew was assisted by the slope of the groud and the air force. In a flat surface, it can't take off.

[@SamieCarvalho]

With a catapult even a cow “flies”...

[@matheussantos5071]

santos Dumont!!!!!!

[@andremonteiroaju]

Santos Dumont inventou o avião, SOZINHO. Os irmãos Wright inventaram o estilingue.

[@carolgoncalves6244]

Né?😂😂😂

[@DamakerDicasdeGames]

Santos Dumont: photos, videos and hundreds of witnesses to prove the event Wright Brothers: Trust bro 👌

[@peterson7082]

Not really the case

[@wanderdias4901]

P.S:If English is bad, and because I'm not from the United States!!! Who invented the plane? Santos Dumont or the Wright Brothers? Technically, none of them. The beginning of the twentieth century was marked by an unprecedented technological revolution. Among the new areas of scientific development was aeronautics. Several inventors were in a race against time to be responsible for creating the first heavier-than-air flying machine. The plane is the result of combining the work of these idealizers. But it can not be denied that the Brazilian Santos Dumont and the American brothers, Wilbur and Orville Wright, are the pioneers of aviation that received more notoriety in this dispute. And to this day, they generate controversy over who was the first to succeed in creating a heavier-than-air flying machine. The race against time On October 23, 1906 in Paris, Santos Dumont made the first flight with the 14-bis documented by the Official Commission of the Aeroclube of France. In the presence of an audience of about 1,000 people, the aircraft traveled 60 meters in 7 seconds, 3 meters high and with a speed of 30 km / h. This achievement earned him the title of Father of Aviation and made him famous throughout the world. Santos Dumont Alberto Santos Dumont However, earlier on December 17, 1903, the Wright brothers had secretly carried out the first flight with Flyer I. In the presence of few witnesses, the plane traveled 37 meters in 12 seconds at a speed of 10.9 km / h had the take-off aided by a railing system. Other flights were also carried out which eventually damaged the aircraft, which could no longer be used. The inventors informed the press of their achievement, but they were not taken seriously, for until that moment no one knew them. The meeting only happened in 1908, when the brothers finally traveled to Paris in order to participate in an air party promoted by the Airclub of France. On this occasion, the work of Santos Dumont and the Wright Brothers could finally be compared. Wright Brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright While the 14-bis performed flights in circles as a balloon, Flyer III had a 3-axis system that allowed more controlled curves to be performed, performing maneuvers in the form of an eight. In addition, the Flyer was able to stay in full flight for hours. It was evident that the brothers' work had already come from many years. The Great Controversy According to the rules established by the French Air Club, which at that time was the most prestigious aeronautical institution in the world, only inventions of machines would be considered for the prize competitions: could take off autonomously were completely controlled by the pilot whose demonstrations were supervised by the institution's commission, which could only happen in France. Taking this into account, Santos Dumont was the author of the first flight with a flying machine heavier than air in an autonomous way and with the presence of the Evaluation Commission of the Aeroclube of France. The problem is that some historians of aeronautics question a lot about the fact that 14-bis is an effectively controlled machine, with its numerous levers and commands the aircraft worked much like a balloon. In the case of the Wright Brothers, the Flyer could be controlled more efficiently, but it was not able to fly alone. First, rails were used to propel the aircraft, then it was used a tower that launched a weight of 700 kilos able to propel the Flyer, working like a catapult. In this way, the two machines had questionable points and not completely within the rules established by the Airclub of France. In any case, its results were unquestionable and pioneering, contributing intensely to the advancement of aeronautics. Comparisons between Flyer and 14-bis The two machines had similar weights and sizes, about 200 pounds, 10 meters in length and 12 meters in wingspan. However, while the 14-bis was piloted standing with a harness system attached to the body, respecting the origin of Santos Dumont's balloonist, the Flyer was lying on his stomach being controlled by two levers. First Flyer Flight First flight of Flyer I in the city of Kill Devil Hills, United States Compared to aerodynamics, Flyer's glider structure gave it a better performance than the 14-bis hargrave cell concept that worked like a kite.But the main difference was in the very conduct of its creators. The Americans were convinced that the best thing to do was to keep their work a secret, out of the eyes of their competitors to prevent their ideas from being copied because they had a strong commercial interest in the sale of the Flyer. 14 bis First flight of the 14-bis in the field of Bagatelle, in Paris Already the Brazilian was an aviation enthusiast and spread all his deeds. He held public demonstrations, published his projects, and developed other creations such as airships and even a helicopter that never got tested. This attitude helped other inventors to evolve their own research and improve the work.

[@diasdiasdiasdias4573]

look, wings of madness - NOVA - santos dumont the father of aviation. wright brothers the fathers of contradictions.

[@danexp10]

The specialist invited didn't mention about the catapult, I still believe in Santos Dumont, he took off using an engine and he flew around the Tower Eiffel in Paris and landed in front of journalists and the crowd and there's also footage of it.

[@leemajorslee9138]

the physical declare the impossible fly for brothers. weight in excess and few motor.

[@VitorMiguell]

Shivkar bapuji, abbas ibn, henry coanda, santos Dumond,wright Brothers....I feel like we all being brainwashed as kids to belive our country invented it, when it was move a cooperative work.

[@raywhitehead730]

My favourite book on the Wright Brothers is by Russell Freedman."The Wright Brothers: how they invented the airplane"