Who Really Started The Human & Elf War? (The Dragon Prince Theory)

[@ThatWarioGiant]

This show deserves much more attention

[@KaijuRizard]

@@deepcut7788 I honestly wouldn't trust nick or any of mainstream cartoon tv channel.

[@catzplaymc9003]

KaijuRizard yeah. Things like Cartoon Network will only show Teen Titans Go!, and ignore its other shows

[@Mandy.8522]

It really does!!

[@apathyguy8338]

My only complaint is that Netflix seems to turn down any script that doesn't shoe horn gay and trans characters in every freaking show they produce. It's never natural. Never. I'm glad they are getting more representation but on Netflix it feels forced at every step of the way. It's getting old and tired. Want to know how to do it? Galactica and Caprica.

[@tourmelion9221]

It needs to revamp the first season tho

[@luciuscurio1508]

I think it's a multifaceted problem that evolved with small things that could've been avoided. Elves and dragons looked down on and seemingly refused to help humans. They flourished while the humans suffered. This, of course, caused resentment from the humans who then turned to Dark Magic (which was seemingly taught to them by Aaravos, who seen a prime opportunity). Humans then indiscriminately killed magic creatures to fuel their magic and further deepen the divide between them and other races. In short, no one is innocent in this.

[@caseysheppard2893]

In all fairness the dragons are hypocrites at best saying you should not use dark magic to kill things and survive to humans. When dragons would have to kill enough animals to feed a small town in a day to survive. Also the idea of punishing innocents in order demand obedience is literal terrorism.

[@stop9049]

@@caseysheppard2893 we don't know what the dragons in xadia eat

[@caseysheppard2893]

​@@stop9049 Well it's true they don't ever say it. The idea of vegetarian dragon is kind of insane.

[@Jwsponky]

@@stop9049 Aye that is technically correct, though we do get quite a few good looks at dragon dentition and... those are not the teeth or herbivores.

[@Funnyguy-sup]

It’s all sol Regan fault, he sucks and was a jerk

[@charlesw5919]

Given the existing lore, there's plenty of blame all around. The human elf war has all the markings of a grudge match. There's plenty of bad blood between the 2 species, even going back to before the exile. Elves and dragons had always dealt with humans from a position of superiority due to humans not being able to access primal magic naturally. The human probably didn't appreciate being treated as the "lesser" species. So when humans found dark magic, which can potentially give any human a relatively quick way to access magic and change the status quo, the dragons and elves forced humans into exile. So yeah, full fledged war was just a matter of time.

[@alvar4547]

i believe that the elves are afraid of dark magic because they could be used as an ingredient.

[@xxshedheadxx6134]

I like how the show has no absolute villains, it’s just people with good intentions doing bad things

[@godturkey4098]

Aaravos seems like he is going to be quite the villain. Also Viren at this point is pretty evil. Good intentions dont justify turning your army into lava zombies and lying about an elf invasion so that he can get the dragon prince back AND sneding shadow assassins to kill the other kings and queens so that they would be tricked into joining his side AND when he was going to be arrested for breaking the law he straight up murders several guards AND he told Soren to kill the princes. I dont think I really need to say anymore... Viren is evil.

[@sharif47]

@@godturkey4098 Viren is a weird character. Because despite all this, when Aaravos asks whether he wants to conquer Xadia, he says he only wants to do what is good for humankind. If he said this to other humans, then sure, we would get that he's trying to sound noble. By why would he say this to Aaravos? He has no need to hide his true intentions from Aaravos.

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

Because as much as Virens fear mongering and end justify the means actions are to convince others, it’s also to convince himself.

[@ShadowStudiosYouTube]

Ahem...Viren is like a total psychopath

[@StarlightAxi]

Md Shariful Islam just because he believes it himself does not mean it is his true motivation. One can deceive even themselves to the true reason they do something.

[@jhenellereid7178]

SPOILERS FOR SEASON 3 AHEAD, if you havent watched it don't read this comment I think no one is really innocent in starting the war. At the starting sol regem calls the human a "lesser being" and I'm assuming other dragons and elves also saw them as lesser beings. Dark magic sucks life and magic out of xadia and other magical creatures and humans at least the one at the start (forgot his name) seem perfectly content with that. Also sol regem was willing to burn a whole village filled with innocent people to ash to get him to stop using dark magic. So I think everyone shares blame human and elves

[@aaravos6871]

Jhenelle Reid exactly

[@lukeamparo6586]

Yep. I hope people catch that. Many hate Viren now but I share his sympathies despite his murderous actions. He’s the Magneto of this series.

[@redonyx8591]

Jhenelle Reid i kinda saw it more of the dragon started it by threatening to slay an entire kingdom, and the human only used the dark magic to protect the kingdom.

[@billyand2]

​@@redonyx8591 The humans could have done some savage stuff to protect the kingdom like kill a bunch of creatures in xadia. Viren did kinda kill a titan for its heart to save the kingdom.

[@redonyx8591]

watari watari they were desperate in that situation. And all we know at the time of the war truly starting, when the dragon became blind, is that humans found dark magic and used it only to survive, to grow crops and possibly to defend their homes from savage weathers. In the wizards eyes, the dragon is the villain in the scenario as he refused to relinquish a needed crutch(dark magic) and the dragon retaliated by attempting to murder thousands of people just because they wanted a much better chance of survival.

[@jesusenriquez1236]

Sol Regem is an arrogant, bastard dragon king who dared to call humans lesser beings with great disrespect. He even attempts to commit genocide of Elarion, leaving Tzar unable to catch up and stop him. An ultimatum, to give up the gifts of Aaravos and his teachings of Dark Magic or all of Tzar’s people, the Human race, would die. The Sunfire Elves are no better either. Purification through light rays to the eyes really. No wonder Aaravos had no remorse in killing the last Sunfire Elf Queen as a retribution for what her grandmother did to him. Lux Areia, the Sunfire Elf Kingdom burned in darkness for their arrogance.

[@raistlin3462]

The problem with how Dark Magic has been exposed in the show is that there is no real convincing argument about why is bad: - The "is a shortcut" bushit. Dark mages like Claudia have to study hard to learn the trade, and the components are pretty difficult to get (like the lava giant). If anything Elves get it easier thanks to their Source connection. - You have to kill things to get mojo. So what? We already kill animals for food, leather and so. If your brother had suffered an accident leaving him tetraplegic and the price to heal him were a single fawn, any doubts about what we would do? Sorry for you Bambi. Yet somehow Dark Magic is Evil and the reason people like Viren and Claudia become villains on the long run.

[@alvar4547]

but the dark magic cuold use the elves and dragons as ingredients, so...if i were an elf i would be very scared.

[@raistlin3462]

@@alvar4547 So is a matter of not using people as ingredients, rather than not using it at all.

[@alvar4547]

@@raistlin3462 yeah, but again if i were an elf, the small posibility could make me.....a little bit paranoid, and again, SOME humans could definetly use dark magic for killing elves and dragon, that´s for sure.

[@raistlin3462]

Imagine vegans saying "we need to ban butcher shops, because every time I see the meat I think "what if next time is us?"

[@alvar4547]

@@raistlin3462 yeah,because the elves a SAPIENT species,are like meat,it´s genocide.

[@madmalkavian3857]

Elves: Haha look at the magicless losers suffering! Let's get popcorn and watch. Aaravos: Hey kids wanna learn magic! Humans: Sure! Elves: Wait you can't do that! BANISHED! ALL ARE BANISHED!

[@alvar4547]

humans: now we can use the elves as ingredients for dark magic!, awesome! elves: told you, we have a very good reason to banish all humans.

[@anondabomb]

Where is the precedent pre-war?

[@Zephirite.]

I feel like the show is trying to claim that both sides are equally at fault for the conflict, but the standards for evaluating who is responsible should be adjusted based on the power each side possesses. Five thousand years ago, the elves, dragons, and humans lived among each other, but there primal beings (those with magic) refused to help the humans, who were suffering greatly without magic. Not only did they refuse to help, the elves and dragons believed the humans DESERVED their plight, because they were born without magic; a sentiment that persists to the present, if these words from Queen Khessa are any indication: “Humans disgust me. Your kind could not be satisfied with what you were given. So you take what is not yours. You take it within you, and you turn it to filth.” Not only did the elves want humans to suffer, when they did gain dark magic, Sol Regem did everything he could to keep the humans powerless, threatening to destroy the city of Elarion unless all dark mages relinquished the practice. The elves and dragons had the ability to help the humans without endangering themselves, and were inherently more powerful than the humans, so their morals should be evaluated on a higher level. According to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, humans need food, water, shelter, a sense of safety, and a community in order to survive. Only then can they work towards achieving spiritual enlightenment. If the elves and dragons had magic and were able to provide a better standard of living for themselves than the humans were, they are more obligated to act generously than the humans, who are struggling to survive on a day-to-day basis. If the humans turned to dark magic to survive because the elves refused to help them, those actions cannot be condemned on the same level that the can, because humans were using it as a last resort, while the elves attempted to continue oppressing the humans even before the former had started poaching magical animals. The show keeps stating that dark magic is evil because it requires killing animals to work, but has yet to introduce exactly how this is different from hunting. The humans seem to eat meat (Callum mentions how Glow Toads are used as bait to catch fish, and king Florian of Del Bar has fur and leather as part of his attire, so humans TDP do hunt animals), and have yet to introduce exactly how dark magic has consequences in the future. It causes the mage’s physical appearance to change, yes, but there’s little evidence to suggest that these changes are more than surface-level. (If they are, that’s a deterrent to dark magic more than an incentive.) The closest thing we’ve seen to karma for dark magic is the elves and dragons attacking the humans for using it, and it actually seems more difficult to learn dark magic spells than primal spells, so I’m not sure I’d call it a “shortcut”. (Besides, when did using a shortcut become immoral anyway? There’s no way to heal paralysis other than dark magic, as far as we’ve seen.)

[@Jwsponky]

...Yes, all of this. Also why are other people so much better at expressing my feeligns than I am?

[@Zephirite.]

@@Jwsponky Thanks! It’s great to hear I’m not the only one with these concerns. As for the opinions piece, to be fair, I’ve had a TON of practice writing about TDP-kinda in the middle of a fanfic about it now, actually... I had to revise this multiple times before getting to the post you see here, and I couldn’t have done that without years of writing practice-which I sacrificed time on the internet and with friends to get. I’m touched that you’re impressed, but it helps to remember that no human was born being able to write, or draw, or do anything. We all got where we are by working, practicing, and persevering, and can get to any level we desire given enough time. It just takes encouragement and dedication. Thanks for the reply!

[@Jwsponky]

@@Zephirite. Fair enough, it's just you are probably the 6th person I've stumbled across in relatively short order that had seemed to pluck thoughts right from my mind, but express them coherently. At the risk of being nosy, what be the premise of the tale you mentioned?

[@Zephirite.]

@@Jwsponky No need to apologize-I practically dangled by story in front of your eyes, hoping you’d ask because I’m REALLY excited about it. Calling it a “fanfic in progress” is misleading-it’s a story idea I’ve been nursing for almost a year now. It’s called “The Fall of Elarion”, and takes place 1000 years before present-day TDP, in the years preceding the Split of the continent. Before Dark Magic, humans struggled to survive harsh weather, attacks from magical wildlife, plague, and exploitation by Elves and dragons, preventing their cities from developing and forcing them to rely on the Elves for survival. Society was fully integrated, but the elves and dragons (referred to as “Primals” n out “Xadians”, since the name Xadia wasn’t used until the continent was split) looked down on the humans for their lack of magic, causing tensions between the species. Meanwhile, a reclusive elf-Aaravos-created Dark Magic and used it to connect to all six sources of magic in an attempt to reach the magic that had existed before the six sources-Life magic (Reddit gave me the idea). Life magic, like all sources, requires an arcanum. The arcanem for Life Magic is the ‘meaning’ of life-what keeps people motivated to enjoy life knowing it’ll end (which connects to the themes of this story-the meaning in life, focusing on the future vs present, the unfairness of life, sacrifice, and prejudice). As a Startouch elf who’s lived for thousands of years and given up on love since outliving people, Aaravos realized humans understand this, and if he can get them to unlock the Life Magic nexus, he’ll finally understand the meaning of suffering in his life. Failing, Aaravos decided to

[@Jwsponky]

@@Zephirite. Hmm, interesting.

[@mikewade1604]

But if they don't explain how killing a deer is evil( it's not) to heal a person, then the dragons are the ultimate villain. I kill a deer to eat (and you damn know the dragon would too) and I would kill a deer to heal myself

[@Paal2005]

And here are you bringing your Christian view of human superiority (before you argue, that's the root of western belief in the superiority of humanity) into a fantasy setting and believe it's still the same. Imagine if the elves and dragons (which some did) saw the humans the same way, being lesser creatures for not having magic? Would that justify killing humans for their meat/resources?

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I think its more that the elves were worried they could be used as ingredients. They treated the humans like dirt, so the humans turning against them and using them as ingredients for dark magic would be a logical step.

[@mikewade1604]

@@NAME-yg8sl hmmm…. How to make people not want to murder you and use your body in a dark ritual? Oh I know! Start a war and slaughter their people!

[@Corvaric]

@@Paal2005 Well, yes. If Elves needed humans as ingredients to fix a problem, they can do it. Same as vice versa. All of them (living beings) are equal, meaning all of them are equally allowed to use other living beings as fuel to make their species survive. Do we fault lions for hunting their prey? Do we fault Orcas for killing Sharks? Do we fault ourselves using meat from the butcher in the daily? Nope. I'm an atheist, not a Christian, so I'm not coming at this from a Catholic Perspective. If Humans needed a deer to heal another Human, fair game. If Deer somehow were able to do the same thing, and needed humans to heal another deer, also fair game.

[@TheObsidianX]

I don’t think the use of dark magic is nearly as bad as sending the whole of humanity down what’s basically the trail of tears. I’m willing to bet a huge percentage of humans died on the way there.

[@User02741]

The elves are the bigger agressors. I dont think this shows as morally grey as people think.

[@smartfoxy8707]

hey the humans are killing magical creatures in order to do dark magic witch means they want to kill elves and dragons too! so the elves and dragons are just trying to stay alive!!!!!!!!!!!

[@devoringdemonsoulq9086]

The humans kills every living being to be on top how are we not the villians?

[@TheObsidianX]

Devoringdemonsoul Q no SOME humans were killing SOME magical animals so they could be on par with the elves and dragons who responded by kicking EVERYONE out of there homes to go start life somewhere else. Sure humans were the bad guys earlier but eventually you need to re-evaluate the situation. Imagine you’re some farmer or something that’s never even seen dark magic and suddenly elves show up at your door and tell you to walk to the other side of the continent, possibly losing family members along the way, all because some evil wizard did something far away.

[@sneakysneakyraccoon8538]

@@TheObsidianX And that evil wizard was only protecting a town from the Dragon King.

[@apathyguy8338]

Is it just me or are the humans 100% justified. If you eat pork or chicken in real life you're far more evil then the human wizards in this show.

[@alvar4547]

well, what if the humans use the elves as an ingredient to dark magic?, if i were an alf, i would be very scared.

[@eclipseandflaresgacha]

But only some humans harmed magical creatures for more power and if the elves and dragons treated humans with respect in the first place they wouldn't even need dark magic

[@ethenallen1388]

I don't think any single person was to blame for that war, it was more of one person's mistake feeding off of another. Dark Magic is destructive, but Sol Ragath made threats instead of offering to help humans learn use magic without harming magical creatures. Calumn has found this possible.

[@SyonPatel-t1j]

Teaching it was leola but this was 3 years agoooo but she did not mean it

[@elegance846]

I love this show 💞 I wish it was more popular

[@AngryAnimeFan2]

there are blame on both sides, the King said that. Maybe the story is meant to represnt that the past is not meant to affect the future it cannot heal overnight, but can give clarity for the next day

[@undead890]

This show is basically Game of Thrones for kids/families.

[@gabrielbatistusta2386]

but did not disappoint in the ending

[@nali3376]

It's if avatar and game of thrones had a baby who loved dnd

[@tomxaider2058]

More like Warcraft since everyone are bad guys in some aspects!!

[@pepperdayjackpac4521]

undead890 and better

[@PeacePham1991]

No really GOT because they didn't kill of lead characters every episodes lol

[@kyelngreysoul3701]

I still lean on elves and dragons more heavy cause the war! I alway remember uncle Ben words to Spiderman " With great power come great responsibility" elves and dragons, who born with magic power only to look down on humans, like any sentient races human had the need to advance themselves and without help and understand of other races, of course they will desperate looking for other ways! so that create easy opportunity for someone like Aaravos to fed them dark magic

[@alvar4547]

well, the humans could use the dark magic to kill a lot of elves (if the elves are used as ingredients)

[@PrincessLioness]

alvar45 Humans might not have felt the need to turn to dark magic if the elves and dragons had helped them. Most humans then and now weren’t mages and the ones that were seemed to do it to better mankind and not just themselves. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime for the almost genocide that Xadia wanted to commit on humans.

[@alvar4547]

@@PrincessLioness xadia did not comitte genocide on humans, the elves simply push the humans awat, (yes, a terrible action, but not necessarily a "genocide").

[@PrincessLioness]

alvar45 Can you read, I said almost genocide. Sol Regem was about to burn a whole city. The dragon that ruled after Sol Regem was considered merciful for only “trail of tearing” the humans. Do you think that genocide was a not an option that was considered? It might of happened had Sol Regem not been crippled.

[@desmondkurtz1936]

@@alvar4547 bro that is literally a form of ethnic cleansing. Plus, how many humans do you think just gave up homes peacefully? What would of happened to them if they didn’t leave?

[@PopeFireTheStarfireGod]

I dunno I don’t think it’s fair that other creatures look so down on humans . They treat humans like pets . They don’t care if they die , or if they kil them . Dark magic is wrong , but how wrong can squishing a bug be if it saves a life ?

[@tomxaider2058]

The Elves and Dragons are jerks in this series!! instead of trying to give alternative means of dark magic for the human to use, they banished the human away and never tried to lend their hands to help the human when they suffered. The whole war started because the human was trying to save themselves!

[@alvar4547]

well, imagine that one human use the elves as ingredients for dark magic, if i were an el , i would be very scared.

[@anondabomb]

I’m going down the list and it is all you. Bringing up the same faulty points, it is sickening.

[@Corvaric]

@@alvar4547 Fear mongering, no? I mean I can say a Middle-Eastern man can kill our president due to the number of terrorists group there but does that mean that the first solution should be "Wipe them all out or lock every single citizen in jail".

[@shadowstorm178]

Took me a minute to realize the background music was a piano version of The Avatar State theme

[@0rchid71]

Shadow Storm17 hol up-

[@otherwordlycreations4042]

At this point in time, I don’t think it matters who started it. The most important question is who’s gonna finish it?

[@CompassRoseCreates]

IM DYING. I NEED SEASON 333333

[@Reem-sr7ov]

Rosa Lopez feel you sis

[@thomasreese8028]

Mee tooooooo!

[@thomasreese8028]

@ku akmal that's the same time when Frozen 2 comes in theaters.

[@AK-in5vh]

If came out a couple days ago

[@thomasreese8028]

I'm dying to see season 4 already.

[@blablubb4553]

I thought it was obvious that it was Aaravos. I‘d love to know why, though...

[@miep3934]

I'm more interested in the how?

[@godturkey4098]

Because he hates the dragons is my thought.

[@kinda_cold_in_the_closet]

@@godturkey4098 yes but why?

[@eclipseandflaresgacha]

Aaravos seems to care for humankind or wanted to use them depending on how much his imprisonment changed him which is why he taught them dark magic

[@altithoraxperotorum5133]

Well to me what season 2 showed is that sun fire elfs just like the frill of the battle. They are more on the seek of combat than the others. If they really would wanted war in the first place the humans would have lost already

[@rosesbloom324]

that or they just live closer to the border because, y'know, lava.

[@timvanroey6641]

Maybe the elves aren't as strong as they seem. Without dragons, the elves are allot weaker, and humans still have the dark magic. And humanity have a knack for brutal war.

[@def3ndr887]

i would say humans and elves are evenly matched

[@Kareszkoma]

While elves are generally pretty good, they are often outmatched. Humans are generally more balanced and durable. Aka the elf assassins vs Soren. Their tactic was not guard or attack, but attrition. Keep defending till their numbers fall, than push till their numbers can win. A much better battle tactic in comparison to who they are.

[@PeacePham1991]

I don't think they have the number for that. There were like 100 or 2 at most of the Sun Fire Elves at the final battle. That's not enough to evade humans' kingdoms. But it's probably true that they think they are too good to attack humans

[@abcdef2072]

(Love the sublte Avatar music in the background!) Thank you for the video. I really enjoyed it! A few thoughts: 1. I think there are some indications that humans did indeed hunt at least dragons (and possibly elves, too). Claudia says herself in season 2 that her book on dark magic holds a myriad of spells that you can do with dragon body parts. This knowledge needs to come from somewhere and if you have such detailed information on the magical properties of dragon bodies (even dragon snot...) then I think this could indicate that humans have hunted dragons in the past to gather such information (and power). The same goes for something like the titan's heart. I think it is not unreasonable to assume that at some points humans became too daring and ruthless and hunted for sentient magical beings. It is also possible that not even elves were spared as some speculate that Viren was using the elven assassins' ashes to create their shadow clones. And apparently he has a horned/elven skull in his lair? (Not sure, just read this one myself.) 2. I think it's not entirely sure yet if Aaravos really introduced dark magic to humans or not. Of course the possibility is definitely there but there also a couple of points that might suggest otherwise: In an interview the creators said that in the past there were more humans like Callum, i.e. humans that apparently had connected to a primal source. Aaravos' poem doesn't specifically mention him giving them dark magic. It just mentions him giving a spark. Then there's a "gap" or a "missing link" in the poem and it directly makes a leap to Elarion being the black eyed child spreading her roots (-> probably dark magic originating there and being spread by its citizens). Now of course it is possible that the poem just doesn't want to spell it out directly that Aaravos' spark is dark magic. But maybe it is also a conscious choice to illustrate that those are two different things. That is, the spark could have been an effort on Aaravos' side to lead humans to primal magic which resulted in other humans like Callum. However if you look at how difficult it was for Callum to establish his connection, it is possible that this process was very slow and that a lot of humans might have failed. It seems to be a very spiritual connection and maybe not everybody reached this spiritual/philosophical state. Dark magic on the other hand is a very speedy (and costly) way to get enormous results that even outdoes primal magic (as seen in the video itself; also, think back of one titan's heart ending a famine in two(!) kingdoms). So maybe humans in their despair - or impatience - found dark magic and used it. Something that could point to this is Aaravos' opening narration where he says that a (the depicted?) human mage discovered dark magic. As the creators have underlined in a recent interview with you, Aaravos has indeed never lied so far. Of course it can't be ruled out completely that he isn't involved - maybe he just left out some information, like that he led humans to discover it, which one might argue is not lying (personally I feel like it still kind of is but I guess we have to wait to find out Aaravos' stance on this). But I think there is also a chance that he isn't directly involved. Imo it can really be interpreted both ways. Or alternatively dark magic is necessary to connect to a primal source as happened with Callum and while Aaravos introduced it to them he didn't intend for them to actually use it but to only apply it as a catalyst. However humans had other plans. (In which case he'd either be really naive or over-confident - he is said to be arrogant after all.)

[@Ordinary_Mortal]

Aaravos has lied in the opening and for me it is a fact. In the clip at SDCC were the first dark mage speaks to sol regem, Sol Regem asks him how did he make the stuff: Sol: How did you create the staff? Dark Mage: Me? A lesser being like me can't create such powerful artifact! Sol: WHO WAS IT?? Dark Mage: one of the high ranks! Sol: WHOO?? That means that the an elf made the staff and in extend dark magic. In fact in the opening we have seen the high ranks and one of them was aaravos 🤔. At least I believe it was aaravos. He wore the exact same clothes with aaravos minus the cape. Also in the danish text it says that aaravos gifted something to people it specifically says "the gifts aaravos has promised us". Also this explains why aaravos is in a mirror. In a way aaravos did not lie because he did not say the whole truth just let me know what your thoughts are.

[@abcdef2072]

@@Ordinary_Mortal Thank you for responding. I see your point but personally I don't really think this proves that he lied for sure or that he undoubtedly gave them dark magic in particular. My point is neither that he is clearly not involved. Just that the information we have right now is really vague and we can't tell yet. Justin said in the latest Cartoon Universe interview that Aaravos has truly never lied so far. (But I also pointed out that he might have ommited info to his benefit.) I just think the fact that he has been confirmed to never have lied can also mean that "A human mage discovered dark magic" (intro) *could* be interpreted quite literally as Aaravos not being involved. Is it clear evidence that he was not involved? No. But it leaves the possibility open. I also don't think it is confirmed that the staff is made for dark magic only. As seen in the last episode of season 2 Viren uses it to channel Aaravos' primal magic through it (his eyes glow with a white light and don't turn black so I don't think he is "vampirizing" Aaravos' magical energy in that moment - I'm relatively convinced that Viren is not using dark magic but actual primal magic in that situation). My guess is that the purple gem is a primal source (maybe not a fully fleshed primal stone but something like the moon opal on Ava's collar or Runaan's necklace) and that it can be used to do magic in general - primal or dark magic. (Maybe something like general energy storage or energy channeling? That is what happened in both scenario: The dark mage concentrated life energy of several beings to fuse them together for one dark magic spell whereas Aaravos used it to send primal magic into the staff for Viren to connect with/use). I think this scenario is also a reasonable explanation why Sol Regem gets so angry. A human gifted with such a powerful source of primal magic? Those gems are very valuable even for magical beings, as the creators once explained, and they can also be quite rare. So I can imagine that Sol Regem takes it as a big insult that a "lower" being, that in his eyes is not supposed to carry the power of the primal sources, was gifted something so special by the freaking archmage, one of the greatest elves in Xadia. And the passage from the Danish text also just mentions a general gift, like the poem. So I think you could apply the same train of thought that I mentioned in my previous post: The creators said in the past more humans had connected to a primal source. Callum is not the first one ever, he is just the first to rediscover it. This connection needs to come from somewhere though. So I think the potential is there that Aaravos' gift was the connection to a primal source (may it be by teaching them or maybe by establishing a connection himself depending on his powers - or mayby something inbetween: that he has the powers to "show them" or "lead them" to the arcanum in their heart but they need to make the connection themselves so they still need to have the right "mindset" so to speak). Like I said, I am in no way saying that he is definitely not involved. Just that I think the whole scenario is much more unclear at this point and right not it could still really go both ways. Thank you for your time.

[@Ordinary_Mortal]

@@abcdef2072 you do have a point! What really bothers me is why aaravos is trapped in the mirror. What did he do to deserve such fate. To tell the truth i think the mirror is a communicator. I believe that aaravos is trapped in the moon realm the place out of time. I have two theories: 1) aaravos created a prototype dark magic for humans like you said. But humans wanted more power and they discovered dark magic. In the dragon prince website it says that the staff is used to enhance magic so my guess is that aaravos gifted it to humans to enhance their primal magic. So the humans wanted more magic and created the end product. The elves thought that aaravos created dark magic and imprisoned him

[@smartfoxy8707]

hey is it just me or does someone else notice so Viren has to use butterflies in order to hide the damage dark magic has done to him right? well I may may be the only one who noticed but when Claudia heals Soren she is clearly internally wounded and a strip of her hair turns white, well doesn't her father have similar white hairs he hides that are left over from the dark magic he's done? so what Im getting at is what if dark magic is corrupting her like her father?!?!

[@caelanjarman2466]

When Season 3 comes around, the dark magic may corrupt her completely. Claudia may technically be an antagonist, but not outright malicious like her father. If she succumbs to the corruption, this may change.

[@anondabomb]

I think it also uses the dark mages life force as a reagent. If it is a small spell it doesn’t use it up. The larger the spell the more likely to use it and use more of it.

[@franciscomm7675]

Episode 1 of season 3 reveals new details about this

[@clairemercer3099]

Would the Elves be angry at humans for using any magic?Not just dark magic? And is the reason Elves can use magic due to the patronage of the dragons?

[@alvar4547]

i personally believe that the elves are afraid, can you imagine if one dark human mage wants to use elves as ingredients for dark spells.And for the second questio, the elves can use magic naturally because they´re connected to the primal sources of magic.

[@anondabomb]

Can you imagine if one elf made a super weapon. Oh, wait they have those. You are basing this on a what if, that will not be allowed to fly. Is there a precedent for this before the war? If not then the elves are entirely at fault. Your argument is that you can make a knife so I have to put you in Siberia.

[@clairemercer3099]

@@anondabomb In Japan during the Edo era commoners were not allowed weapons and travel was extremely restricted even inside towns. The purpose to keep the commoners down. Punishments were severe and this is just one example in history of the upper classes oppressing the lower. So yeah the

[@tourmelion9221]

I think it’s also power People would do anything to crush the weak and keep them down to feel dominance In real life the victims of these are women , children , poor people, different races ,disabled or simply those who do not fight back to abuse enough to make it not worth it for the villain I believe elves greater understanding of magic was the 1 thing keeping them above human And it was crumbling So they banished them away from all rich magic areas And labelled them leeches to magic and killers of innocence Hypocrisy of course As they do not banish assassins , and we’ve seen them comfortable with meat We’ve even heard the line “I do not decide right and wrong Only life and death” And this is nothing like ray play so was probably cultural And also they banished all humans Most humans would find it quite difficult to find all the things necessary to perform it So they were probably innocent banished and made to tread a terrible road ‘trail of tears’ and probably died

[@moon7shinev150]

Everyone ready for season 4 this year

[@6ValkyriE6]

I think it's also important to mention that all the ancestors (human, elves and dragons), while doing horrible things, none of them were done on the basis of hate or spite or simplistic evil, all of them were trying to ensure prosperity for their people, which is a much more nuanced and insidious way of portraying how racism is born; meaning, caring only for the individuals who you think are like you and no one else. And damn am I here for this.

[@Владислав-ы9м5у]

There is no racism among humans only because their frustration is directed on elves. And later on Viran. Yes, while kids might like and love each other, adults stood united only because of the common enemy. And should he be gone... Well, even when humans say about diversity and tolerance, they still need their enemies. This is our nature.

[@tourmelion9221]

This is why schools should help people become mature So this does not arise

[@Владислав-ы9м5у]

@@tourmelion9221 true. Yet, they can also sow such things, while naming it somewhat differently. I'm sure you're getting what I'm speaking about.

[@Paal2005]

It's not in our nature. Humans are quick to blame others, so they create enemies for scapegoats in times of trouble, because that is much easier than acknowledging your own faults and take responsibility. A great example are the demonification of the communists and jews in Germany during the economic crisis. It's a belief that could easily be extingushed by teaching reasoning and logic.

[@Владислав-ы9м5у]

@@Paal2005 it can't be. You only show the other side of the coin and expect me to believe you? Hell no, nazis opressed jews, communists blamed "enemies of the nation", americans pointed at USSR, and now democrats point their finger on republicans. Such in the nature of men, to keep our groups, we need enemies, otherwise we start to look at each other with hostility. Oh, and don't speak about tolerance. While the tolerance itself is great, modern SJW are really far from it.

[@Paal2005]

@@Владислав-ы9м5у Tolerance florish everywhere in times of peace and prosperity. The nazis directed animosity towards a lot of groups during hard times. People are more afraid in such circumstances, and people that are afraid are more suspicious and hostile towards that they do not know. Look at the immigration situation in Europe. Right wing parties all over the continent got wind in the sails, not when the actual large migration wave started in 2013, but rather in 2009, as a response to the recession of the global economy, leading to financial uncertainty all over the globe. What I'm saying isn't a new phenomenon, it have happend countless times throughout the history. See also how people that are safe and secure do not have this attitude; why should they? I live in a world where I have little reason to be afraid, so why should I look for targets of a fear that is non-existant? This have nothing to do with the SJW culture, simply that I see no logical reason the conjure up some imaginary enemy.

[@kokepasu4583]

After you watch the trailer on netflix, it shows a shot with a bunch of dragons together and I'm betting one of them is that moon dragon you were talking about.

[@lesshome5856]

Wasn't it King Harrow and Viren? For killing the Dragon King? I know the war was going one way before all of this, but the dragon king dying and the egg being stolen was when all-out war waged, other people say it could be the person who blinded Sol Reggem, which is a fair argument.

[@GorilkaCore]

I’m sorry but Xadia can grow a pair. I know it’s not popular but I’m on board with dark magic use

[@jaykilbourne1110]

same. until the elves are willing to teach humanity magic and stop treating us as lesser beings to be trampled underfoot, I say we use dark magic.

[@charlesw5919]

Yup. Without access to magic, humanity would've always been treated as the "least" of the sentient species. Come to think of it, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the elves and dragons rate magically gifted animals higher than humans. Not being naturally adapt with primal magic, dark magic is the only rational path for humanity to reach some kind of parity with elves and dragons.

[@alvar4547]

well, imagine if one human uses the lives of the elves as an ingredient for dark magic, if i were an elf i would be very scared.

[@GorilkaCore]

alvar45 Well that would be kind of like eating meet. Eating other animals is one thing but then eating your kind or very similar is already cannibalism. Yes elves are not the same as humans but still on the same level of intelligence and with similar characteristics so killing one is basically murder. If dark magic only gets restricted to only using some species or in different ways then should be fine since I’m sure other magics can be used for bad things too and dark magic is shown to be really beneficial even though comes with a price

[@bgcvetan]

7* god forsaken months ! 0:21 P.S : i was hoping for video over 15 min long, why all good things end up so short ?

[@gawoopydawoopy758]

quality not quantity

[@leodouskyron5671]

Once the avalanche has started does it matter which pebble rolled down the hill first? (But if you care ...Aaravos is the pebble and I don’t think he did it for the elves or the humans.)

[@MelvinDukowski]

Basically, it's both sides being arrogant and hypocritical. If the elves and dragons didn't just assume that they were the ubermensch and let humanity to thrive on it's own, humanity wouldn't have turned to dark magic. If humanity was more proactive and didn't listen to obvious manipulations by some dark sorcerer it'd be much better off.

[@evansheehan9258]

Humans started practicing magical Alchemy, and the Dragon/Elven alliance , out of their fear and prejudice, forced an entire species out of their home and then some.

[@casual-owl]

I NEED THIS SHOW TO COME BACK!!!

[@Reem-sr7ov]

Grey Jedi very soon 😍

[@warrenmcfadden3918]

Well I think viren is the least of their troubles now as the imprisoned star elf is about to come out of his cocoon

[@jaygames8388]

Tbh i thought bait was the main character...

[@captaintaco1177]

Wait. He isnt

[@jaygames8388]

Captaintaco11 Ik right i was shock !!!

[@captaintaco1177]

@@jaygames8388 Guess, I'll need to rewatch with this perspective

[@sharif47]

You're all fools. By the end of the final season, every major character except Bait will die as a result of this ongoing war and Bait will become the rightful ruler of Xadia and the human kingdoms. And with this exact plan in mind, he introduced the humans to dark magic, hundreds of years ago.

[@j3r3my35]

If you actually think about it the unicorns thaught the humans dark magic

[@colinmoore7460]

Ok, I can answer part of this! The late Sir Terry Pratchett said in one of his earlier Nightwatch books! Where're the fun in racism, when you can have specisam!

[@CantKnockNokk]

Dark magic isn’t bad if it was what would hunting be?

[@susannabianchin525]

Season 3 is here, my DUDES!

[@spenserfarman3045]

Sarai is Asian?!

[@vasource757]

No it's not contradicting at all. You see, humans and elves are different species with different races residing in them. Ppl tend to get that confused when the say the human race....no, humans are a species with different races.

[@Playstaion-boy]

Hes not the first dragon king in the last episode in leolas trail he is referred as the dragon prince

[@yamariez]

who else thought they were the only one who knew this show?

[@proes9420]

It's been a few years since season 3 released. Ahhhhhhhh

[@mitharachamdugu2245]

Anyone notice the background music is from ALT?!??

[@plon2326]

Man i want more episode

[@armoroftruth3166]

This is diversity done right

[@aawallace98]

i hope thes is a point in season 2 where ezra preteds to be an elf

[@altithoraxperotorum5133]

Well new york comic con is this week. But it its not announced then i don't care. I've waited 4 years for the first trailer of godzilla 2

[@jacobweatherford4696]

I am very interested in this series

[@johnson8276]

Am I the only one who question gay queens and how it works just a simple question

[@Tk-eq5cl]

Season 4 I need it

[@userunknownxx1]

I finished season 3 in 2 days.....the sadness.

[@lmbergamini]

the background avatar music... I can't...

[@bubblegum8959]

I feel that the humans didnt start the war i feel that they created dark magic elves, dragons & magical creatures got pissed told humans to stop humans said hell no now we are just as cool as you now & then hell broke loose i feel that Xadia started the war but it was from an act the humans did

[@futabanarugonzalez3399]

Elfs and Humans are equal

[@alvar4547]

except araavos,nothing is hotter than araavos.

[@davidteshaunmcilwain730]

I think Arrovos started the war

[@noorulain8367]

Really good

[@Lvkias]

season 3 is out

[@Scalesthelizardwizard]

I say both are in the wrong

[@thomasreese8028]

I bet you it was Aravose.

[@Noceurr]

is it racism when there is a reason to be prejudice against other people?

[@0rchid71]

I thought that the elves drew them out because of the Dragon King?

[@Bobber_Foote]

Here is a Theory Dragon prince is the same universe as avatar and legend of Korra

[@animewatcha]

This is my take and it is supposed to be humor-based / fandom -crazed. Way back when.. Humans saw the elves with just as much 'thirst' as the fandom does for Aaravos and Runaan. Elves didn't mind cause hey 'free sex' and likely 'couldn't cross-breed'. Could even look down on humans as ones who are more egotistical and large willingness to stick their crotch into anything that moves. Someone along the line gotta jealous/angry. Hello today where both sides 'hate' the other and Aaravos is feeding all this 'for the lulz!'

[@Scalesthelizardwizard]

I believe both sides are at fault

[@victorvvc1925]

1:35 You forgot to mention that, for some unexplainable reason, one of the lesbian queens has this unnatural yellowish skin color. For a moment I thought it was makeup, but then I realized her hands are yellow too! 🤔

[@beatrixthegreat1138]

Víctor Vargas Ch. but Anya doesn’t so it might have been cosmetic.

[@100nitrog2]

​@@PeterDivine Viren isn't the kingdom that helped them. He's a usurper who murdered the leaders of the other kingdoms using dark magic, then used those kingoms' armies to take the throne of his own kingdom. If even a hint of what he'd done got out, he would have been executed on the spot.

[@victorvvc1925]

@@PeterDivine I think this series shows us that all humans have flaws, they're not perfect: Viren, Harrow, Sarai, they all made mistakes and yes, in some way the lesbian queens have ther part in the war, but at the same time it was their daughter who said NO to Viren's vengeance. After that, it was Aanya who stopped Viren's army of monsters and supported Xadia and the weak links. She even saved Callum's life killing monster Kasef herself. If you ask me she's a wise and fair queen... and very badass too!

[@PeterDivine]

@@victorvvc1925 Except there is no utilitarian reason for Aanya to march on Viren. We never learn that she found out about the false-flag assassinations, and even if she did, her country is entirely neutral to the state of affairs of other kingdoms. There is no reason for her to march against Viren, a man whose plan saved 100,000 people in her kingdom from starvation and has _considerable_ reason to fear Elven aggression, except for utter self-righteousness. I don't know why everyone is so fixated on forgetting that Viren _stopped a famine in Aanya's kingdom._ That is not irrelevant. When Viren inevitably dies, I hope his last act is to spit on Aanya and say he should have let her people die.

[@ForestX77]

Maybe the reason skin color and sexual preference isn't important in Dragon Prince is because skin color and sexual preference are not characteristic traits? I love The Dragon Prince and can not wait for season 4, but I am not watching it for diversity. I watch it for the plot and story and the story was trying to end centuries long war between human and elves. Now it is about the dark plans Aaravos and i can't wait to see it. Sorry for the rant but it really needs to said that skin color and sexual preference does not make a character nor does it make a show instantly good.

[@sharif47]

On one hand, I've watched all 3 seasons but don't consciously remind myself that Harrow and Ezran are black, because the show doesn't make me think about. On the other hand, I'm atill confused whether Aanya is adopted.

[@just5845]

the best show ever !!!

[@dawngrimstead5239]

I love your voice DeepCuts you need to do all the voiceovers!!!!! I really think a few are horrible to listen to, so much so I'll skip their episodes

[@LoomiYT]

roses are red violets are blue i was clickbaited and so was you

[@alek.417]

I agree

[@Poke-ladd]

The devil was manipulating both sides!!! Oh wait wrong series

[@j-core2895]

Black clover

[@CodyNelson-v1k]

I believe sol Regem started the war cause he was once called anak arao cause he Rat out Leola and not only did he killed Leola he also had Luna tenebris killed by Kim Dale of the blood moon while Kim Dale drinks her blood but was also punished by queen Aditi then Kim Dale was banished and spared with an enchanted necklace that can be unlocked by a Sunfire queen later In the middle of night queen Aditi visit the archdragons and so that anak aroa would become sol regem thats when arravos ate queen aditi and framed the dragons with a big explosion leaving every citizen of the xadian elves unhappy with the death of queen aditi and which a human girl princess Ezara planned to capture Aarovos and imprison him forever by becoming a human mage called the jailer asking arch mage akiyu to force the prison which while Ezara was on a mission to defeat Aarovos, aarovos gives a scepter to Lord ziard and meets sol regem by the mountains far away from the city sol regem gone blinded with Rage and hatred against human with dark magic he was sentence to be in exile by queen zubeia and king avizadum which when before Ezara could be defeated Aarovos he was sucked into the magical prison by akiyu and Ezara the jailer after when he was defeated avizadum was trusted With a looking glass before Ezara could go home akiyu saw the marking on the map and had archdragons kill her then akiyu said I'll die before anyone could learn the location of the prison and made a solum promise to not let anyone know where the prison is to anyone then her life was spared then princess Ezara came home and was crowned queen and had a family and she died and the sword was buried with her being lost for centuries until it was needed again (the end)

[@hanarielgodlike9283]

good video but title is kinda misleading

[@francescocappelli9424]

6 master Elf of callum

[@camgeorge6222]

Sol regan should have gotten worst after wat he tried to do.

[@RoulicisThe]

Then you completely missed the point of what he was trying to do : He gave him the ability to choose what he deemed as most precious to him : his corrupting power or his people. By putting him in this situation he made him show his true colors, that's all.

[@camgeorge6222]

@@RoulicisThe the only true colors show was sol from the being of theyre conversation he said humans are less creatures. The ultimatium sol chose shows how corrupt and vicious dragons are and what they are willing to do to any one beneath them i get that the power is corrupting which is bs cause all magic comes with a price and what humans us is just death magic its powerful but not evil. But to commit genocide goes beyond wat the worlock has done.

[@RoulicisThe]

@@camgeorge6222 And did the dragon do what he promised ? No, instead he turned around to face the mage once he revealed his true natures. Dragons are arrogant, and see humans (and elves alike by the way) as inferior to them, but they're not cruel and that is what you failed to see. Dragons don't kill if they don't have to, but when they believe they have to they don't hesitate. Sol's mistake wasn't to try and make him stop using his dark magic, but to not take the time to explain him WHY he should do so. If he had taken a bit more time to tell him how bad things tend to end with dark magic, things could've been different. But if Sol truly had the intention to wipe humans off the surface of this land...He'd have done so without a warning (that would've also solved the problem but in a much worse way)

[@camgeorge6222]

@@RoulicisThe sol is cruel to use genocide as an example is cruel no matter how dark the humans magic is or how the humans true nature sol and most of his kind are cruel. Like the red dragon circling a town of humans to instill fear because he can and struct down humans are seen as monsters why did he come to bother them in the first place. I dont care how much sol intention was to bargin with the human but resorting to genocide and mass murder is cruel. Humans live in a world where they are inferior to everything around them down to the insects and plants. Dark magic help elevate them plus there are only few dark magic users. But if the magic humans do is evil then no creature should be eating anything at all espeically dragons who are basically the ultimate predators.

[@RoulicisThe]

@@camgeorge6222 Correction : Dark Magic helps elevate them Effortlessly. Humans can still use magic in this world, it's much harder for them than it is for elves (for which magic comes naturally), but humans can still use proper magic through training and dedication. Dark magic is so easy to use anybody could learn it, all while having the most terrible back-clash of all forms of magics. And this is why it's dangerous : Not because it fuels on living beings to work. Not because it's addictive and can cause serious internal damage on the user. But because it's effortless to use, THAT is the true reason dark magic is so dangerous. With this magic around, it's not that humans couldn't use other magics at all : it's simply that they didn't want to put the work into it anymore, and it didn't matter if they were threatening the balance of the very world they're living in. And besides, like It is shown, the dragon Sol DIDN'T wipe out the humans the way he said. If you want a cruel dragon look at Urgost, Smaug or Ankalagon : THESE were cruel murderous monsters, the dragons in this show are puppies compared to these sick bastards. If that was smaug in place of Sol, he'd have wiped the humans first, just so the mage could watch, then he'd have come back to finish him off. Thing that Sol didn't do. So, saying dragons are "Cruel" in this universe is wrong : they're arrogant yes, they see humanoids as inferior (and they're not completely wrong in this regard) and some of them are pretty bad tempered...But cruel they're not, they never kill for the pleasure and they avoid doing it if they don't need to. That's exactly how the 2nd dragon king lost his life : if he was cruel he'd have slaughered the humans who came to his lair without giving them a chance to live, and he'd still be alive

[@denikehi4579]

hahahah this just in, humans are imaginary :D

[@senegoid7354]

The show doesnt represent anything! Its just a creative world of dragons, elves and humans, would anyone say Avatar represents something as controversial as drug use or something? Absolutely not

[@100nitrog2]

I mean...cactus juice...

[@kinda_cold_in_the_closet]

Ever heard of a metaphor?

[@thedarkknight727]

Hey anyone in the comment section: Would any of you, would like to see a REBOOT or ALTERNATIVE of the Dragon Prince storyline, one that resembles the story of the anime GATE, Modern meets Medival.

[@Jwsponky]

...I can not give an answer, as I haven't the faintest clue what that is.

[@timothyedward6147]

Callum is asian?

[@empyrean7649]

I hope the war will continue because it is not possible that everything is over after they have killed the elf queen queen and the city of the sun elves

[@ethenallen1388]

Are you saying that everyone in that world should be blind and toothless?

[@empyrean7649]

@@ethenallen1388 WHAT ?

[@NPandDulce]

I was looking for a name for a dragon I got in a game, thought again about how the dragons in this show were called, looked them up, but ended up here- I'm happy that we will get a new season now, the wait will come to an end wooo! I love this series so much 🥲💜

[@Funnyguy-sup]

Sol Regan did it, he just sucks

[@44xtallyikmusic97]

Why can't Duren have a straight King and Queen, like a normal monarchy?

[@deepcut7788]

Heteros BTFO

[@BlackIce3190]

44xtallyik Music Because muh progressivism.

[@44xtallyikmusic97]

Relationships sure are complicated.

[@exirion2154]

Seems pretty normal in my opinion...

[@100nitrog2]

There have been gay monarchs. They just never openly married their same-sex partners because it simply wasn't done at the time. In this universe, however, it's likely that with other sentient species in the picture, smaller matters such as race and sexuality were simply overlooked due to elves, humans, and dragons all having their own common 'other' to divide them.

[@FRIEDFISHPLZ]

I mean They were generally fine from the separation till viran came by with dark magic.

[@saintsinner4074]

Sky elves: Native Americans Star elves: Asian Sun elves: African Moonshadow elves: Celts

[@galenjones9529]

Nope, they're all European. So far there are two elven groups that have accents/dialects from the British Isles. Moonshadow being Irish (I believe) and Skywing having an English dialect. Sunfire are French. We haven't heard an Earthblood elf speak, unless Callum's impersonation was valid haha. And I'm not entirely certain if Aaravos's speech stands for all Startouch elves.

[@saintsinner4074]

Based it off skin color and features

[@DemiCape]

Nah they are custom made races.

[@DemiCape]

Nothing else.

[@toniaa-y3559]

Galen Jones I cant say for the other elves but Nyx is Australian and the sunfire elves are Francophone African

[@sahdianabizada915]

i umm feel like.. ok i know its the humans fault well the ones that use dark magic the elves banished the humans because some of then were killing magical animals to have magic themselves and of course the elves and the dragons worn’t ok with it

[@RavenDarkHeart1]

How can they both be Queens? It's always been kings and queens but never two Queens

[@bumblingbureaucrat6110]

Because they need to shove the Gay onto us

[@superautogamingfan]

It isn't really the same sort of racism in the show as it is with in real life, or at least, was. People were opressed because their appearance and/or color was different, so they assumed they were lesser based on this. The hatred between elves and humans is based off events and wars that caused a grudge between them.

[@superautogamingfan]

I forgot tho, they might've hated each other from the start, so correct me if I'm wrong

[@TheBigKaiju]

Callum is Asian?