Who REALLY Won the Beijing Olympics? 15 Answers

[@bearofthunder]

Well, as a norwegian I can tell you that there are many people here who loves it when unexpected countries "steal" the medals we are aiming for. After all we do want other countries to find our favorite sports to be exciting too.

[@blocklattice2476]

I love it when any country takes gold ahead of us except Sweden, that is pure humiliation for me. Still love you though Swedes.

[@larskristiangundersen5737]

I am also from norway

[@roundedosu]

this sounds so norwegian you guys have way too great mindsets

[@angrydragonslayer]

@@blocklattice2476 i literally learned of the olympics this year, alongside my whole town seemingly And we sometimes take medals from you guys?

[@mikaelgrande6968]

Yeah, winning isn’t fun if there wasn’t some tension and excitement in the form of competition, luckily we have our good Swedish neighbors whom give us a good show.

[@Quintendejong123]

4:34 this result is mainly due to the policy in the Netherlands with kinda insane qualification limits for a country with no snow at all. The Dutch NOC only wants to send ppl that stand a serious chance of getting a top10 result or even better.

[@BilldalSWE]

In Sweden it's top 8. I think most countries in the top of the lists have similar requirements.

[@jolanda.c]

And the Dutch skating results could have been better. We are only allowed to send 9 men and 9 women to the speedskatingevent in total. So skaters need to do multiple distances and sometimes a better skater lost the Dutch qualification because the skatingdistance is counted less important or an other skater is more allround.

[@magnuskongskov3532]

I was looking forward to see if you would find a leaderboard where Norway did not win. Great Job!

[@dullibulli9370]

…. With just 5.5 mill habitants

[@agilagilsen8714]

I mean, I agree. But it would also have been hilarious if Norway topped every category he could think of. It would have been really stupid, but also kinda fun.

[@pandaalcolizzato5236]

Är du svensk?

[@dullibulli9370]

@@pandaalcolizzato5236 neg. Jeg kann ikke snakke svensk

[@pandaalcolizzato5236]

@@dullibulli9370 Dansk?

[@aj1218]

Wake up another Olympics has passed. You gotta get back to work

[@DaJoIKeR]

"Austria outperformed their circumstances" This is kind of funny. Austria is a rather rich country, is decently cold and has the alps. As much as I appreciate the credit I think that's a case where the numbers don't tell the whole story

[@goncalobalanca4299]

@@nolanlemaster1537 Tbh, it kinda is misleading as it sounds ( and the guy probably said it wrong) like austria, even though in the graph it's obviously Australia

[@friedchicken3789]

i think he said australia :-3

[@marcor815]

At about 7:20 you talk about „wintergames are for the rich countries“ because it is more expensive to train on ice or snow. That might not be wrong, but also a factor is, that hardly any or non at all really poor countries with snow or ice, so noone from a really poor country comes into contact with wintersports from a young age. So not only the costs of training is a factor here but also the distribution of wealth among the climate-zones

[@Kiwifreak32]

I get your point, but there are a few poorer nations with snow. Nepal, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Iran, Armenia, Moldova,... So both factors are relevant

[@jimmyhaotran123]

Basically both of you and the video is also claiming that in general countries near that are colder are significantly richer. I agree with that too hhahah.

[@nayeemhaider8367]

@@jimmyhaotran123 Nuh uh. What the other guy said. Nepal, Bhutan, Central Asian stans, North Korea and Mongolia are all cold and yet are poor. Meanwhile The Gulf Arab nations, Singapore , Brunei are all rich and warm

[@omenbrassmonkey]

@@nayeemhaider8367 Well Singapore and Brunei are micronations, and the gulf nations are dependent on oil for their wealth.

[@wkn07]

Culture probably matters a lot too

[@thomasbuckley6999]

Great video as always! If you're still doing winter olympics videos in 4 years, I wonder if you could consider something accounting for altitude. Countries with big mountain ranges are going to have big advantages over flat ones in the alpine events. I'm not sure if average altitude would actually work, but it might be interesting to look at at least.

[@lennarthaasnoot6815]

Bold prediction: the Netherlands will be on top

[@martinarbe1]

It would be cool but it has to be correlated with latitude and longitude, because in Europe a mountain of 2500 m can have snow but here in the tropics(medellin, Colombia) snow could only be visible over 4500 m*.So maybe measuring that with altitude is not that great of a statistic. Edit* or maybe more than that, in a summer month I went to “nevado del Ruiz” which is 5300 m and snow could only be seen at the very top

[@jonathanthorsen5282]

@@martinarbe1 In Norway the snow is down to 0 Meters above sea at most places The only place with little to no snow is the west and south coast of Norway, but if you go over 1000 meters there is often meters of snow

[@coldplayfan7357]

Atleast most European and North American countries can participate in the winter Olympics,unlike most of Asia and Africa which can't even participate,much less win due to their climate and terrain

[@marialorena2917]

You're right! He says that Italy won in spite of its average temperature but he doesn't take into account that it is a long country, in South its warm but in the North we have the Alps and there are also other mountains in the center 😅

[@jurckastelc]

So happy that Slovenia is on every list. Small counrty big heart 🇸🇮💚

[@_TeXoN_]

Let's do Noway without Nordic events, Austria and Switzerland without alpine events, Netherlands without ice track and Gwrmany without sliding events. I feel like each of the events is dominated by one nation.

[@raphaelovicstrassovic9440]

No, alpine events by two😂

[@stupidas9466]

You'll end up with Russia, China, Canada, and the US. To me Canada wins due to population disparity.

[@ClaireEmilia]

Germany is great in a lot of disciplines

[@BilldalSWE]

​@@stupidas9466 Actually you'd still end up with Norway at the top if only removing one sport per country and with Sweden at the top if you removed the best event categories for each country lumped together as per above (all sliding events, all nordic events etc) . Sweden had gold medals in 6 different sports which together with Norway is the most diverse performance.

[@nicoladc89]

@@stupidas9466 population isn't a good factor of disparity. India has a lot of people, but how many of them practice winter sports? For example: Italy has a population of 60 millions. Canada has a population of 38 millions. Italy won a medal in curling, Canada won a medal in curling. But Italy has 300 curling players, Canada 2 millions (Italy has 2 millions winter sports - all Winter sports - practitioners counting that people who go to ski or ice-skate only for fun). How many people practice winter sports in Texas, Florida, Louisiana or in Cote d'Azur etc..?

[@freekvonk8586]

As a Dutchy I really enjoy seeing my country do so well in the winter olympics since we're a flat country who rarely gets any snow or freezing temperatures. So no skiing or snowboarding. We just have our iceskating rinks

[@RE-zl7sy]

why did u say u was a ducthy

[@artemixzs]

@@RE-zl7sy because they’re Dutch?

[@RE-zl7sy]

@@artemixzs As a norwgian i dont understad why they said they was dutch

[@jessefifa]

@@RE-zl7sy The whole premise of what he is saying relies on him being Dutch... Wtf are you on?

[@nordichistorian6719]

"since we're a flat country (...) so no skiing". You don't need much elevation to do traditional skiing (cross country).

[@AaM-tl9sp]

If Norway wins Eurovision this year, it might spark a Scandinavian Cultural Golden Age. I hope it does tbh.

[@Vinterloft]

Banana ==🍌== Wolf

[@nickgehr8408]

Eurovision is way too political for that to happen. Ukraine will win.

[@AaM-tl9sp]

@@nickgehr8408 I don’t think Ukraine is participating this year.

[@gery8218]

@@AaM-tl9sp pretty sure they are and I'm also almost certain they'll win

[@steffplaysmapping1104]

Nah, we ain't gonna win. Even if the song kicks a little. We have put so many points in winter sports, so we have none for songwriting.

[@ricktrickshots2642]

I am waiting my king 🤝👑

[@Nonose_s2]

Finland had 52 medalists on a team. More than 50% of team Finland's athletes got a medal and 27% got gold.

[@gisha6791]

are you using the swedish argument from '94?

[@areswalker5647]

Conclusion: Finland likes to play on snow, or at the very least got used to it lol

[@MrSlaidback]

NZ won our first and second ever in Beijing also! Wānaka the home of nz winter sport, was quite emotional.

[@eivindmn]

Notice how he never mentions Russia in the whole video…

[@vlaaad5160]

bro forced it so hard

[@Eli821000]

He did, pointing out that the one lady got busted for using performing enhancing drugs. also, technically Russia did not compete lol

[@eivindmn]

@@Eli821000 He only mentions it as "one athlete", without saying from which country. The screenshots shows it of course, but the name of the country is also visible in all the lists. The point is that he never says it.

[@Brighe-2007]

@@Eli821000 she wasn’t a lady she was a child being abused by her coach

[@killerqueen251]

@@Eli821000 she is 14 years old btw and she was really used and abused for this event

[@janknoblich4129]

I feel like the takeaway from this video is that norway is really freaking good at winter sports lol

[@MrRazorblade999]

They are great in everything that requires skis. Not so much anything else.

[@skjalgstangnes4233]

@@MrRazorblade999 norway is good at sports

[@TheWade822]

@@MrRazorblade999 they’re also extremely competitive in some summer sports, including being world record holder in hurdles. Rowing, voleyball, triathlon and handball usually see norwegians perpetually close to, or on the podium

[@MrRazorblade999]

@@TheWade822 Sure they got some stars here and there like most countries. My point still stands.

[@TheWade822]

@@MrRazorblade999 not really. You said they arent very good in anything else, but by population or expectation they are still extremely competitive in the summer olympics too.

[@larstem2080]

Hey, We’d all love to see the Paris Olympics video, when do you think that’ll happen?

[@analennyja]

I'm so happy to see my country on these graphs. Greetings from Slovenia ❤

[@LegitLMS]

I absolutely love all the work and attention that goes into your videos. It really provides a fascinating and unique take on statistics in sport. This channel deserves to be so much bigger!

[@OHOE1]

Norway not a real country

[@manuelsaal9331]

I love when you break down each sport types of the Winter olympics and you see which countries dominate and then look at history/climate/nature of the country and it makes total sense: -Germany dominates slide events as they were one of the first to (if not the first) to actually create the sport, and Germany (or better said Bavaria in Germany) has excelent slides without you cannot even practice the sport -Norway is forest and snow in the winter so cross-country makes perfect sense as they have done it for centuries as a regular mean of transportation/hunting -Austria has the Alps, and some of the best skiing places in Europe, so Alpine sports of course -Netherlands is a flat land but has many canals, some of them freeze in winter so ice skating is the only winter sport to practice outdoors -The US is the land of skateboards, so they dominate snowboard or skii disciplines that are about making trickshots

[@peternordberg8648]

I feel you made an error not having a graph focusing on geography since it should explain a bit of Frances and Italys success, they along with Germany, Austria and Switzerland has access to the Alps.

[@lojspodkrinko7386]

And Slovenia and Liechtenstein also

[@peternordberg8648]

@@lojspodkrinko7386 yes that's true.

[@flashstar1234]

should've done altitude or number of mountains exceeding 4000 meters or density of number of mountains exceeding 4000 meters as in number of mountains over 4000m/area.

[@stillx1211]

@@flashstar1234 Not really there hardly aren’t any mountains above 4000 in Europe but snow and skiing happens everywhere over 800meters

[@KindredBrujah]

@@flashstar1234 If this was a reasonable metric then Nepal (and Tibet if it were treated as an independent country) would dominate.

[@amandarenein8502]

Thank you for your "objective" and "unbiased" video. As we see , olympics unite people and its absolutely nonpolitical )

[@badysparta]

Name a more iconic duo than Norway and Winter Olympics... :-D

[@LasVegar]

Norway beating Sweden in Winter Olympics

[@leoeronen4651]

I think for the anything but Norway category you could add altitude in some shape or form there. Because I think that for most of the winter sports it helps to have tall mountains to train at

[@marcwun6347]

Which is actually a misconception as Norway doesn't have really tall mountains compared to the other countries at the top of the medal count

[@janknoblich4129]

@@marcwun6347 Well germany isn't particularly hilly compared to norway either

[@sudazima]

- the netherlands -

[@BilldalSWE]

@@janknoblich4129 The south is. Norway doesn't have a single mountain over 2500m. Germany has 40-50 mountains over 2500m.

[@Luredreier]

@@marcwun6347 They might not be tall, but combined with how far north we are and how steep many of them are it means that we still have far more than average suitable locations for alpine sports. A country further south would need taller mountains in order to get similar areas suitable for alpine sports.

[@stupidas9466]

I'm not Canadian but i am most impressed by Canada's results. The difference between Canada's success and Norway's success is one piece of equipment, cross country skis. Canada won 26 medals with none using cross country skis. Norway won 37 medals with 26 of them with cross country skis. The Dutch are basically speed skating, the Germans are bob/luge/skeleton. The most impressive countries are ones that both win a high number of medals and win medals in a large number of disciplines. And those are the US, Russia, China, and Canada. And to me, Canada wins because of the disparity in population.

[@ClaireEmilia]

Germany too! We also got medals in Biathlon, normale Cross-country skiing,Ski jumping, nordic combined and ski cross! Usually we get much more in Biathlon but atm our athletes are not as good. But all in all we are the best winter sports nation

[@Honken55]

I would say Sweden have a good spread of medals. And with a modest population. Sweden are also pretty good in the summer olympics. Sweden seems to be the allround master.... 😉

[@ClaireEmilia]

@@Honken55 Germany is a better Allrounder really 😉

[@Honken55]

@@ClaireEmilia well they also have the population of 80 millions. That's 8 times of Sweden.... 😉

[@ClaireEmilia]

@@Honken55 we still have faaar more medals lol 😂😂

[@KimMilvang]

I would really like to see rankings where medals are weighted by popular participation, that is the number of people who participates in that activity or the number of hours they spend on it. So luge and skeleton would count very little compared to some of the skiing events. Some participation is hard to qualify, like when you go skating for an afternoon, is that figure skating, ice hockey or speed skating. I guess the participation figures are somewhat hard to come by.

[@fifaerbest2470]

You could maybe catigorize it by How many Who watches the sport

[@samr.4195]

Really nice ending there

[@greenyoshi888]

Good job skipping over Russia's name whenever it came up. I noticed sometimes when you said a top 10 in a certain category, you said all in order, then proceeded to skip Russia and continue on from there.

[@user-mi1lw6gf1d]

You scared us even here

[@oliverbanes5121]

Russia is a not a real country

[@andrewjgrimm]

I see no Russia, comrade. Only Russian Olympic Committee.

[@Brighe-2007]

What did he skip it through?

[@Rguhbuh]

@@Brighe-2007 probably bcz of ukraine, basically political stuff

[@ludwigrohrig]

I think you should do a Ranking based on how many people are "competing" for a medal. There are probably less than a thousand people doing a particular sledding event while there are millions playing Icehockey and the like. Should probably be logarithmic though...

[@larryparr2799]

The winner is Finland because they finally won the gold in men hockey and that means a lot to that country.

[@stupidas9466]

Love the Finland hockey team, but all this win showed was that their "not best" players who were available to play beat other country's "not best" players who were available to play. Sweden, Finland, and Russia both had major advantages in that most of their non NHL professional players were both available and have played together on the same team, in the same league, etc. recently in the past. The two best hockey nations, Canada and the US, didn't have that luxury as all of their professional leagues were not able to attend, and their teams were slapped together at the last minute with a bunch of journeymen players from leagues elsewhere in the world. I could be wrong, but i think they each had one practice together before they played their first game together at the Games! Hell, i recognized the names of more players on the Swiss and German teams than i did on the US and Canadian teams!

[@BilldalSWE]

@@stupidas9466 While I agree with you that the Finnish win isn't worth quite as much because it was a 2nd rate turnament it was the same for all countries and not just for the US and Canada. ALL top 6 countries including Finland would have consisted of 99% NHL players if allowed. Also, I really don't agree with the statement "The two best hockey nations, Canada and the US" when you are talking about A-teams including NHL players. Canada, yes. But the US hasn't won a single turnament with NHL-players in the last 20 years (Olympics, World cup and World Championships). Since then Canada has won 10 times, Sweden 6 times, Russia 4 times, Finland 3 times etc.

[@Honken55]

@@stupidas9466 dont agree with that. Sweden had the worst team we ever sent lol Was amazing they came 4th. Most people dident belive we would win more than like 1 game 😜

[@FluffySeal756]

absolutely loved the ending. Over all a great video, but that ending was just fantastic

[@mithrillis]

There is an interesting talk related to this topic under the scope of extreme value theory. The gist is that we are not comparing the entire population, but rather the fastest of each country against each other. It turns out if talent is completely random, the performance of the fastest person only scales on the order of sqrt(LogN)) of the population. Therefore assuming population is the only factor, we would see very little difference in terms of performance between countries of different population sizes.

[@nsk370]

Proud of my little country :) 🇸🇮

[@Heinikind]

I would really like to see how the final results would have turnt out when you not only measure by the first three places, but by all places (or the first 10). So that you not only give the first place 4 points, the second 2 and so on, but for example give the first place 10 Points, the second 8, the third 7, the fourth 6 and so on till the tenth place 0 points. So that not only the first three are important, but a chart where a nation that consistently got on 4th also gets some credit.

[@narobii9815]

I think 15,12,10,5,3 (for first 5 places) with 1 point for 6-10th, would be a better scoring. Medals weigh a lot, 4th can often get coverage, some remember 5th and then next 5 places get a spot of note.

[@appa609]

First place gets 1/2 point. N+1th place gets half the number of points as Nth place.

[@cam5556]

@@appa609 I feel like there is a simpler way to convey this system lol.

[@cam5556]

@@appa609 Nth place gets (1/N^2) points

[@franchisalemme]

I loved this video, amazing narrating, really well thought out, and I seriously loved the conclusion, great video

[@Zycoreination]

As a Swede, we were very happy with our athletes efforts 💪

[@SupermaxLaFrom]

Its subtle, but I think that one word was purpusfully avoided in this video, but maybe I'm just imagining things ;)

[@mienfu9824]

Yeah, I also noticed that

[@PKMono]

Was waiting for this one. Thanks for the entertainment time and time again :3

[@kucingtepijalan3459]

I just realised something.. Are you purposely try to avoiding to say the name Russia throughout the video? They seems to be appear a lot of time like top 5 or something and you immediately skipped to the next country when the other 4 countries are mentioned in the top 5.

[@AS-pr9qv]

one thing is missing. How long it takes to achieve a medal. For example, in hockey, you have to play seven matches to win a tournament. But in skiing, you only have to ski a couple of times to win.

[@havtor007]

hours of time in the ski events it takes about the same amount of time or longer on average last time I saw those at least compared to ice hockey.

[@leveltick2579]

Sweden also has geography and wealth, but are still on line with everyone else

[@fredriks5090]

Perhaps Norway simply has the cleanest drinkingwater, spawning Jötuns left and right.

[@_TeXoN_]

I think events like Ice hockey or Skeleton should count more, bevause you can only compete for one medal. In Cross-country skiing or Shorttrack you can easily win multiple medals.

[@DomenBremecXCVI]

"Easily" is a weird word to use but I agree with the logic

[@TheJanrune]

Like ranking 10?

[@magnuszecher3665]

Thank you so much for this incedible Video! I am from Austria and was thinking about those "unpublished" statistics for a long time. You made my day :)

[@miabee6267]

Alternate title: How can we mess with the statistics of the Olympics to put someone besides Norway in first

[@shadowllght]

Nice video overall, though I must say that the "climate" level for Japan is kinda unjustified. Because well, while the south part of Japan basically never gets snow all year round, the northern most parts are filled with snow and get way more snow then I do here for example in Switzerland. Just highly matters where you are in Japan.

[@fallout560]

Yeah, however much fewer people live up north, due to historic reasons

[@shadowllght]

@@fallout560 While that is true, it is still a way bigger population than most smaller European Countries on the medal podium here.....

[@LegitLMS]

I would really be interested to see the pie chart breakdown for the summer olympics too

[@NN-sy7vy]

I know that would be very complicated (imo also very cool), but maybe another good category would be to look at the size of the „player base“. Idk I just don't think that a gold medal in a niche sport like skeleton that is only practiced by relatively few people and thus fewer competition compared to e.g. Ice Hockey or Skiing (cross country and alpine) with huge „player bases“ and a whole lot more competition.

[@Levitationable]

underrated, ive subbed

[@brian576]

Short answer: Norway Long answer: Norway, it's always Norway...except when you don't want it to be.

[@henrymccoy2306]

Doesn’t snow at all in Australia. I’m glad you took the time to point that out because it amazed me to find out we won any medals beside Bradburys fluke.

[@barneystinson2124]

These videos are great❤️

[@damienkossyrev4433]

Why are you not saying Russia

[@SlimShady_1]

I (German) am so glad we did so well and I’m proud of our athletes in Beijing 🔥

[@TheKlabim]

7:41 but France and Italy include parts of the alpes and France also has the pyrenees...

[@bluebell487]

Japan and South Korea also have big mountain areas. Northern Japan is quite cold

[@raphaelovicstrassovic9440]

And the US has more mountains than pretty much all others combined

[@dorianbrlic8632]

Seeing Slovenia so high up is like a miracle lol

[@trw1782]

You forgot the most important and only list that matters: How many mens hockey golds did country win list. I'm happy to say Finland absolutely won Beijing Olympics and nobody is even close.

[@rascalguy60]

I was looking forward to this video.

[@magnusio5292]

Ye, us Norwegians have been trying to lift everyone up for so many decades, being the goal. Looks like some places might catch up in the next 100 years :)

[@chrisscross111]

Tenker kanskje 200 år jeg

[@jonathanho1451]

Great video, I liked seeing so many different answers!

[@KissShotMokou]

Amazing video! great job!

[@statsy150]

Looking at the the temperature graph I realised some flaws: I am from northern Italy and here we have mountains very near, cold winters and a lot of people go skiing or snowboarding. Because of Italy’s shape the south doesn’t have anything that can help with the winner games, but I am also pretty sure that very few athletes come from there, so it’s much less impressive that the graph shows that we can get medals as well. It’s not a big deal I just wanted to point it out and also great video!

[@areswalker5647]

It means that even if we're a 60million population only less than 1/3 (the northern part of the country) actually have ever done winter sports, statistically speaking. So the results accomplished by Italy are greater compared to another 60million population country where winter sports can be done by all its population. I.e. I'm from the south and I've never skied lol not even once, nor have I ever SEEN someone ski in real life

[@Sokyyyy]

I'm surprised this video doesn't have at least a million views. Great job!

[@Pietervanloon1996]

I love it how in all the bar graphs the Netherlands is orange, nice touch :)

[@tombrouwer95]

Great job! Also how you ignored one country in a quite subtle way

[@aaronster6504]

Frankly kinda disrespectful

[@grekiki]

@@aaronster6504 The exact amount of respect deserved.

[@aaronster6504]

@@grekikiWhile you may disagree with what is happening right now, it is not the fault of the athletes competing and their efforts. So no, it is not the amount of respect the athletes who have trained for years for this deserve.

[@brianh6]

@@aaronster6504 There is another reason. They do have a history of cheating a lot including a very well publicized example in this Olympics. Government sponsored cheating even resulted in the athletes having to compete for the Russian Olympic Committee. Speaking of disrespectful. Even the governing body of the Olympics doesn't recognize Russia (no playing of the Russian national anthem, no Russian flag on the uniforms). So if they can exhibit this "disrespect" why the big deal if an innocuous KZbin video doesn't mention Russia? I don't care that it didn't get mentioned. It's his video. He can do what he wants. If you were to make a video telling everybody how awesome Russian athletes are that would also be fine with me. It would be your video and you can do what you want.

[@aaronster6504]

@@brianh6 If you were to look into the well publicised example of the 'cheat' at these olympics you would know that the sample where she tested positive was from two months ago and that tests done before and after have showed no signs of doping. According to the olympic rules, she was not caught doping at the olympics and should receive her medal regardless. The governing body doesn't recognise russia and has not allowed the athletes who were caught doping to compete further proving that the athletes competing at these olympics should be shown the same respect as athletes from any other nation. You are right that it is his video and he can do what he wants. It's just kind of silly watching him manoeuvre around the country every single time.

[@penguin9315]

why is this video so bias? russia is skipped out everything single time? literally at 3:10 he goes lists the countries in order, skips russia, and continues

[@LeJunker]

Please do one for this year too

[@IDontKnow-fu8xb]

Bro why did you do everything in your power to physically not say the word "Russia"

[@evanmorrison3232]

Hey, as a data scientist and analyst, can I use your videos as educational content for how people should think about problems? The importance of variability and understanding of scenarios is a vastly underrated skill based on the people that I know. P.s. you're the coworker I wish I would have had.

[@Cahrssomething]

This is a great video showing other graphs that can show other countries in different lights, in my opinion Norway is still the overall best country in terms of skill.

[@emil_berth]

Reallly great video-as always! Thanks!

[@plveuk813]

Why do you skip over Russia? You try so hard to not mention us, even though we did well in Olympics

[@Thunderworks]

Russia wasn't there, it was ROC.

[@plveuk813]

@@Thunderworks Yes Russia was there, but under another name. He was trying so hard not to say it.

[@joegoss30]

A couple of points: * I think the per capita measurement suffers a bit because there are per nation limits per sport. Canada can't send multiple ice hockey teams even if they might have ones that would medal, too. I know in the Summer Olympics, they cut back swimming to only 2 swimmers per country in an event, which means that even a top effort by a top nation would keep them from all the medals available. But in say, track & field, countries can have up to 3 competitors. * The calculation for dividing medals by the size of their delegations short-changes team sports. The 25 men/23 women of the top ice hockey teams walked home with a gold medal. If you only sent 25 on a hockey team and they won gold, that would be a strong accomplishment based on the size of the team -- everyone medaled. But if it only counted for 1 medal across 25 athletes, that seems like less of a feat.

[@vnXun]

Every time there was a new graph I was like "Nor-way they would win again right?"

[@xXdnerstxleXx]

One weakness about distance from equator is that european nations are warmer than nations at the same lattitude due to the gulf stream. Japan has pretty cold winters and does not really perform better despite geography but instead because of geography aswell. The gap of hot and cold is just bigger there, same goes for russia, while eu nations have the gulf stream.

[@leokab4841]

great video i dont comment often but this was a well made video actually got me interested

[@plodor]

Love from Slovenia

[@robinw688]

Another fun metric to consider could be access to mountains in the form of average elevation above sea level or maximum elevation above sea level. As an example: Even though netherlands are on average colder than france they don't have any significant elevation whereas france has the alps. This leads to a massive disadvantage in a plethora of events because there are little training sites within their own country. Also I don't like the average temperature as a metric because it's more about reaching the threshhold temperature for snow rather than having colder weather on average.

[@ythehunter755]

The temp one is a bit weird. US has people from literal deserts and Alaska. How do you decide their temp? I think any metric will just advantage big climate diverse countries there

[@hallockstuart7899]

Your videos are so high quality keep it up!

[@ingvarsilow9430]

Winter Olympics is a lot about mountains as well. Great video!!

[@joshmannolini9035]

Fucking great video as always. I never expect an upload but when I do it always makes my day, keep going, we appreciate it

[@michellehorton6669]

I like the medal per athlete one.

[@stephenwodz7593]

I agree with your conclusion. I define a patriot as anyone who works to make his or her country a better place.

[@laurin4237]

Such a good video. Keep up the work :)

[@lillyrose6568]

I thought this video had millions of views when I clicked on it. Shocked to see only 55k! Super interesting. Definitely subscribing 😁

[@StratosTitan]

The problem with average temperature is it doesn't account for intracountry variability. For example, in Italy there are mountains in the north where its cold, so skiing etc can be practiced quite often, even though their avg temperature might quite a bit higher due to southern parts of the country. Compare this with the Netherlands, where the entire country is similar in temperature year round. It's probably extremely difficult to come up with a fair correction for this, I'm not even going to attempt to suggest something.

[@nagayamagames]

The thing about Japan is that our land is quite stretched from north to south. So the northern half of our country get a lot of snow was the southern half doesn't see a speck. Some parts of Japan actually sees some of the heaviest snows on the planet

[@marccuypers9928]

Would you agree with the general statement, that a vast majority of japanese winter athletes come from Hokkaido?

[@azamil256]

New title, finding how to rank medals to make Norway not win xD

[@oscarhavik217]

I love you watching this channel just because I’m from Norway. It’s really gives me pick me up.

[@oscarhavik217]

To prove I’m from Norway I only need to do this æøå

[@grexz1]

Like your outro!

[@hughes470]

Excellent video. Wonderful ending.

[@blazej6500]

Cool video!

[@ysteinalgry4091]

Hold up, Norway does not have a GDP per capita of almost 90k, we are doing well but not THAT well 😂

[@hisham_hm]

It's not that the US tallies by total medals and "some countries and the IOC" do different. EVERY country does it the way the IOC does, and the US used to as well! The US broadcasters changed it in 2008 because that was the first year where the US wasn't first by the standard counting, and predicting that they would lose the #1 spot to China, they changed it to total medal count so that the US remained #1, and they have kept that count ever since.

[@joegoss30]

The US has pretty much always ranked Olympic success by total medals, not just gold medals. And the US had plenty of times when they didn't win the Summer Olympic total medal count (the US rarely has the most medals at a Winter Games). 1988, for example, where the US finished 3rd in total medals and in gold medals. The same thing in 1976. The US finished 2d/2d in 1972.

[@hisham_hm]

@@joegoss30 I looked it up and apparently the source for the story I recall is that the USA Today changed its ranking system from 2004 to 2008 and that was on the international news that year with everyone smirking that "American newspaper changes ranking system to favor the US in the rankings". Anyway, why not just do it like everybody else? American exceptionalism is so old-fashioned...

[@joepiazza3756]

Musings apparently never heard of the Alps.

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

Not going to lie I found the total avoidance of acknowledging "Russia", "Russian athletes", or atleast "the ROC" at any point in the video pretty ridiculous. I think we can all acknowledge that the government there is being barbaric right now without criminalizing every random Russian person or acting like people who live there just either don't exist or are suddenly dirty. We all know they're there in the video anyway so it's pointless to dirty word them as though Russian skiers or figure skaters are "He who must not be named". Let's try to remember most everyday Russians (including the athletes) didn't anticipate this war, let alone actively want it, and many took the time to protest or criticize it, some of them facing punishment from their government. for doing so. Doesn't seem totally fair to automatically ignore the accomplishments of athletes from there (referencing the US as a standout in the figure skating graph while totally ignoring the ROC covering almost half of it alone, lol), many of the most prominent of whom are literal teenagers, because their government is being sh*tty. If we were going to do that athletes from the US would've gotten ignored by the whole world several times in the last couple decades alone and that doesn't seem fair either... can't blame random American teens and young adults for invading Iraq on false pretenses or launching countless coup attempts... can't blame random Russian teens and young adults for invading Ukraine on bloated rhetoric instead of sticking to dialogue. Neither group had any say... why treat the latter differently. Denounce the actions of the government, empathize with and/or pity the civilians. They're still human.

[@ClaireEmilia]

I think it is great because Russis uses doping anyways

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

@@ClaireEmilia eh... depends on the individual. As far as I know Shcherbakova (at this point their most decorated skater) has never tested positive for anything. Neither has Trusova as far as I know. Most of the ones still competing are only still competing BECAUSE they're clean. Valieva has been a fairly isolated case and it's worth noting she a.) Just aged up into the "adult" league and so was caught pretty fast all things considered, b.) Only tested positive once months before the actual Olympics (before which she tested negative) and c.) (Most importantly) is almost certainly too young to have gotten her hands on that drug herself and was probably made to do so by an adult figure (one of the coaches probably). Her positive test only really got the attention it did because she was the favorite to win gold. This sort of thing happens elsewhere relatively often but the media doesn't care as much when it doesn't impact the medal ceremony. Again, not really fair to blanketly condemn the entire country because the government and/or a couple bad apples do something untowards. If we were going to go that route the US would've been banned from everything under the sun and sanctioned into the ground decades ago. Between the wars, racism, corruption, and crazy high crime and shooting rates there'd be a lot to shape an unfair villain stereotype out of. Course the world doesn't do that, because you can't blame every American for any of those wars or any of the corruption, or the rest of it. Same principle applies here with the doping and such... no need for a double standard. If they cheat ban them, if not... not their fault someone else did just because they're from there. Let them compete (as a neutral at least in the case of the Russians). If anything, with the underage doping, penalize the coaches and give the athletes alternative options to proceed. Also as a disclaimer, I'm not Russian, I'm Canadian and (ironically) have Ukrainian heritage. War is terrible and I hate it, but I can't blame random Russian 17 year old girls for it just because they live there.

[@Flex2212]

Just one thing: There are not many cold AND poor countries.

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

And coincidently, all the cold and poor countries, which have low temperatures and low GDP per capita(Russia, Central Asia, Eastern Europe, China, North Korea) have history of communism

[@Flex2212]

@@thomasgrabkowski8283 True! What about BrexitBritain though?

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

@@Flex2212 Britain is far from poor

[@orbitalpotato9940]

Well it's unfair to rank by total medal count as you're equating gold with a bronze.

[@cubingwithcarl4572]

Great video!

[@jonahlandsman875]

incredible video and quality from someone with 10k subs. commenting to increase engagement