WHO'S THE BEST COMMANDER FROM DUSKMOURN IN cEDH?

[@cobaltbeau]

Woah, Master of Keys putting Escape on Dress Down is really sick.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Right???

[@hunterstrong3318]

​@@PlaytoWinMTG welcome to modern grixis shadow when lurrus wasnt banned

[@Temzilla2]

When I saw the card I said "ooh, you can recur mystic remora/dress down/solitary confinement/contamination"

[@issacharlane4003]

I think because of this interaction, this might end up being the strongest esper commander. So many creature/commander centric decks exist (thoracle). Having a way to at instant speed shut down all of that is bananas.

[@dawn_oh420]

@@hunterstrong3318man, now i wish dress down was on arena 😭

[@jonnybirch2268]

I love how many times Cam almost said “Valgavoth” correctly, then corrected himself and said it wrong 😂

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

We’re trying our best here

[@jonnybirch2268]

@@PlaytoWinMTG and I think it’s great :)

[@Cha0sRising90]

I love it! Don't ever change, @PlaytoWinMTG

[@moonbreaker]

Petition for a Secret Lair drop version of the card that is identical to the standard one, but named "Valvagoth".

[@cameronsmith381]

He incorrected himself

[@rav5373]

Missed opportunity to call the Jolly Balloon deck "Squeaky-Jiki"

[@windy7820]

I'm a big fan of 'Freaky Jiki' myself

[@SkaalKesh]

Holy crap that's perfect! Calling it that from now on!

[@tkmoosey4436]

Anyone else forget this wasnt a spell table game and get a little freaked out when Dylan reached across the playmats to count bane of progress... Just me... Okay.

[@ghostdragonzero]

I was about to say this, I was like wtf

[@andrewcampbell2680]

I have been watching this channel for a while now, and one of things that I enjoy most about it (aside from the funny banter that the table almost always has) is how they add the little edits about how they miss played and what the actual outcome should have been if it was crucial game error. Hats off gents!

[@havardharaldsen332]

The mutual "Hm." on the Dress Down. Perfect.

[@7thCircleHobbies]

The dress down on the birds was both gross and a top level play lol. What a great game

[@mopanda81]

three dress downs in one game absolutely huge

[@fakehotdog1634]

Pretty much each commander had their moment, really impressive that they can all perform so well at this power level!

[@Smitty5Zeros1]

Cant wait to hear your guys thoughts on this banlist they dropped today.

[@joshuagervais8992]

Still waiting 😆

[@AresVishnu]

Who’s here 5 minutes after they banned Mana Crypt, Dockside, etc to see if this is the last video we’ll see them?

[@aylmao8723]

yup just waiting on their video :D

[@Cha0sRising90]

Will is a great add to the episode! Good banter, politic-ing, and a good understanding of the deck imo. Great to have you on, Will 💜

[@GA-ee1er]

Would love to see more Master of Keys, as I am keen on building it. Also, wow, that Valgavoth drew so many cards!

[@aultimusprime]

I was a little interested in Valgavoth, then saw how much players damage themselves for effects and am much more interested.

[@thedoctor1471]

@@aultimusprime remember, it only triggers once per turn, and only for the opponent whose turn it is. So far less explosive than ObNix

[@scaevola]

Loved this music in this episode, especially around the Bane of Progress

[@wikipipo5465]

I'd love to see a casual episode featuring Rendmaw, Creaking Nest. He's definitely my favorite commander from the new set in terms of casual fun, and I'd love to see others trying to build around him.

[@casperpedersen223]

God, I love watching you guys. You just always seem to be having a blast and it is so freaking wholesome.

[@tdugan87]

This is cool, I’ve never played cEDH but you guys do a really great job of making is easier to follow. I really like the pauses to help explain. Looking forward to new videos!

[@bricknolty5478]

Holy crap, I'm so used to the webcam games, that my brain broke a little bit when someone reached across frame to edit their life total lol

[@danielchausse6988]

Master of Keys seemed awesome, I'm shocked Tyler couldn't find the win with all those cards

[@fenrir3103]

This video is the push I needed to go on with my Valgavoth deck. Thanks!

[@ljlk8583]

as much as these commanders didn't seem all that great in the set review, this was one of the coolest cedh games I've seen in a long time

[@Friendly_Rivals]

We need more hip hop classics with Cam and Dylan

[@jrclarke93]

Hakim Loreweaver + Treachery + Claws of Gix is the sauce for an infinite mana combo. You just need Borne upon a wind/Emergence Zone to cast your commander to win

[@AlexTheAngel222]

Anyone else watching this to count the number of banned cards put on the stack?

[@Facter-di3cm]

We need a video on the new bans what deck it makes bad what combos it gets rid of and what you guys think the state of CEDH will look like moving forward

[@mikenewman92]

WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THE BAN LIST

[@gabecastillo1634]

This rc is so bad bro, those bans were not needed in the format

[@AdaWongMistress]

They will probably cry like the manchilds on reddit. People overreacting HARD, like "oh no my deck lost 2 cards, now i can´t possibly ever cast this commander, i´m gonna sell my collection".

[@itsSmiv]

​@@AdaWongMistressthat's exactly what is happening lmao

[@AdaWongMistress]

@@itsSmiv bunch of entitled babies. That´s why the cedh folk is the laughing stock of the mtg community

[@nickmitch1734]

@@AdaWongMistressto be fair if two of those cards were in your deck, it’s nearly $300 in value lost and a significant shift in power level of that deck lol

[@dasfabelwesen]

Necromancy seems really cool in tyler's deck.

[@michaelatbarnett]

The Kona into Bane of Progress was so cool! Worth the early exit 😂

[@DontYouFret]

This was a fantastic episode. A lot of interaction and cooo synergy. You guys are killing it.

[@aultimusprime]

I think these decks deserve a rematch. This was very entertaining.

[@zacharybouck9769]

Just gotta take out the docksides, Jlo, and crypt 😂

[@aultimusprime]

@@zacharybouck9769 lol rule zero!

[@BadConAngel]

This game was great! I feel like everyone had a chance to show what their commander could do. I hope we can see some more Kona in the future!

[@shenryu]

What's your thoughts on the new bans. Feels like all the rule 0 and power level talk was just a way to get info to try and shape commander the way the committee wants.

[@shenryu]

Take the "government" out of commander, lol. Or at least make a cedh ban list.

[@youngkale8703]

When are we going to hear your opinion on the recent ban my guys? I’m curious what you think.

[@kerithwooldridge]

This was a fantastic game. Love the dress down on the birds. Lmao

[@TrollVision01]

convoke actually counts as paying mana, you can convoke stuff with vexing bauble for example and it will not get countered

[@rinan5317]

Was about to comment this. Good catch.

[@TrollVision01]

@exsnypre totally true, the Reminders and the gatherer are missleading in the way it is explained

[@CalamitousCactus]

I'm ready to hear their takes on the bans, I think it would be health for a split in banlists. One for CEDH and one for casual

[@trevorstammler]

There’s a certain irony seeing a dockside go crazy the day before being banned… 😂

[@thisisthewayinperth]

Yo I am so exited for the next Video after updated Ban list ....... BRING IT ON ! ! ! !

[@Dtdragpnd1]

How does kikijiki and FOMO combo? 2:13 FOMO says first time it attacks so it would only get 1 extra combat?

[@suburban_squatch]

It might be that when the 1st FOMO attacks, you untap kikijiki, then get a new combat, activate kikijiki, create a new FOMO with haste, then repeat.(if the 1st FOMO is gonna die to blocks you just activate kikijiki and create the copy before damage) Unless somebody has an indestructible blocker, you can probably just go through a ton of combats sending a string of FOMOS

[@Dtdragpnd1]

@@suburban_squatch im saying the problem is even if it’s a token copy since it shares the name then it shouldn’t trigger again giving infinite combats.

[@suburban_squatch]

@@Dtdragpnd1 It does, since the name only refers to the object it's on. CR 201.4 Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects

[@thekurtrussell4007]

@@Dtdragpnd1😂

[@jackharries9057]

Y’all need to make a video about these banned

[@zexal_fighter2767]

Great episode and enjoyed Will’s energy!

[@SpinAroundU]

Loved the Valgavoth side note, found the card pretty cool going into spoilers and your review was painful lmao! Sure it's only 3 cards a turn but it procs on half the cedh staples from crypt to force of will, and in rakdos you take any draw you can.

[@Koshersquid]

Great showcase of all 4 decks!

[@KingBoOgie3]

Bane of Progress hit hard! Good edit with the music :)

[@GoldSabertooth]

Love it! Great brews. Wasnt sold on this set at first but been lowkey impressed

[@stewat8]

Shoutout to my buddy Will, glad you got to be there dude!

[@danyellesarah1433]

Definitely waiting on a new video of how cEDH will be affected by the new bans 🤔

[@TenPace]

Holy moly escaping Dress Down is nasty

[@MrFairbanksak1]

Master of Keys is better than I thought, wow. Being able to essentially keep Mystic Remora in play constantly, or play Dress Down over and over, is really good. Damn, I want to buy that commander deck now.

[@Connor-iu5wk]

Hearing the phonk is epic

[@eliotbrown5907]

IN PERSON RECORDING!!! LET'S GO!!!

[@erikstone8336]

I have a question. At 15:15, Will triggers both Valvagoths and Tyler says that Cam's trigger goes on the stack first. My question is: is it the time stamp that says whose trigger happens first or is it play order? Also I love how powerful Master of keys is in Tyler's deck! Great deck building Tyler!

[@peterzheng723]

Tyle said cam's resolve 1st,and It is turn order.when balloon took damage,Tyler put the trigger on stack 1st then Cam put his on stack.then the stack will try to resolve,so Cams trigger will resolve before Tyler

[@brackishwater8484]

Damn, can't believe they banned mana crypt, dockside, and jewelled lotus.

[@bryanvincentbrocal1222]

i believe cam missed a draw trigger when fomo attacked tyler, and cam should've drawn another card when valgavoth attked will

[@taylorjohnson5148]

Fuck yeah spooky season is upon us

[@joeyblackard6346]

New ban list makes me sad Can’t wait for yall to talk about it

[@ianshaw9829]

The fact that the new ban list came out and hosed some Cedh cards if painful

[@paulnorrange9217]

I can’t wait to try out that jolly balloon man deck with a legal dockside in my de… wait a minute :(

[@newt8655]

Master of keys seemed sick for sure

[@charlesmaillho367]

Y'all keep talking about them missed roiling vortex triggers yet y'all missed the missed trigger from when cam casted the deflecting swat for free! That extra 5 would have put him under when he played saw in half for free.

[@ezraholman9871]

Hey, do you guys do Primers for newer decks or have a place you prefer to find them?

[@HotSauceTurtle]

Excited to see more of Kona!

[@mopanda81]

sawing in half a broodlord always fun

[@Modest7787]

when does the ep about the commander bannings come out? cedh just got hosed and thoracle is emergency ban?

[@chillypenguin100]

What's the song used at the 7:45 mark?

[@Doug464]

Level Up by Raccy

[@squiggless3968]

Master of keys seems really sick

[@TheUniversalEclipse]

Now that jeweled lotus, mana crypt and dockside are banned I feel like Valgavoth is a big consideration over Ob Nixilis, that extra mana is a huge difference.

[@jasonclarkson3246]

Guys, please make a video on the CEDH bans!!!!!!!!!

[@flashoxmtg]

Love the Phantom's Revenge shirt

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Best coaster in PA I think

[@farwen4967]

First of all: love your content just found you guys recently and im realy enjoying it so far. I would like to ask a question. is there a strategic reasoning for playing mox opal turn 1 despite it not being online or is it just a playpattern as it would virtually make no difference? Hope my english aint to bad greetings from a german fan.

[@wesleyvansteenburg9970]

I think it has to do with whether you expect your opponents to play a card that can get advantage from it. That doesn't apply here (as his opponents don't have rhystic/mystic), but it may just be habit for tyler. The only major con to doing that is it feeds dockside, but that can be fine. Giving your opponents cards might not be.

[@noahclay9020]

Plays around other players drawing into cards like Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, Esper Sentinel, and other Stax cards. Plays into Dockside Extortionist but that is only one card versus many.

[@farwen4967]

That makes sense to me thanks for the insight guys:) in this specific scenario i cant help myself to think that it might be better to keep it as the other color dont have access to named cards appart from sentinel but that is my Personal Interpretation of optimal play and very nitpicky :D

[@xahhfink]

​@@farwen4967wheel of fortune might be another one that he wanted to play around, plus obviously esper sentinel and dauntless dismantler

[@SuperDomi94]

5:22 "I'm gonna cast a Mana Crypt!" Boy, that didn't age well...

[@dannojacks2220]

Who’s here after the new commander ban? Bring my mana crypt back!

[@TPHHippo]

Wouldn't mind seeing a "Best Rakdos Commander Fall 2024" episode! Does Obby hold his place over Rakdos the Muscle, or Imskir, or this new boi???

[@o_Bomb_o]

I didn’t realize until bane hit the table that it wasn’t over camera!!! 8:31

[@iortega]

correct me if i am wrong, but dress down enters at the end step of Cam, so it has to be sac in the same end step, or because it enters on end step, is after the beginning of that end steps and that trigger doesn't apply?

[@boosterfreakmtg]

Wasn't the village bell-ringers in play? It would combo off with the ballon man and gain infinite mana and creatures with haste

[@aultimusprime]

Tyler's deck went off hard, and then Bane bomb!

[@Le_cope]

did tyler not have infinite mana on his turn with displacer kitten??

[@FinnTheFish16]

Deck names are always in point

[@RaphaelBriand]

15:00 Vampiric Tutor should trigger Phantasmal Image Valgavoth

[@Infected_Truths]

He lost life from the rolling vortex at the beginning of his upkeep

[@n00exec]

I just wanted to say... 09/23/24... RIP: Mana Crypt / Jeweled Lotus / Dockside... (and yeah Nadu... but fuck that bird)

[@AnarchoLoserist]

sound track as always on point

[@basedmatt3459]

I’m putting JBM into my ghired mirror of the wilds deck. if you can hold JBM and Ghired and drop the new etb lizard or VBR you can go crazy.

[@ashking4434]

As someone who is wanting to get into cEDH and is debating on playing Rakdos, my personal opinion would be that Valgavoth “feels” better than Ob Nixis, for the reason mentioned in the video. I personally enjoy having hidden information and keeping my cards till I’m ready to use them. I also fully respect anyone who enjoys playing Ob Nixis.

[@jacobpearson8573]

In the Jolly Balloon man build Do you have to run mana echoes?

[@acouelec]

What is the track at 7:40? It's soo good!

[@ljlk8583]

If FOMO becomes the new main kiki combo, will titans be run a bit more just to make sure you never run out of cards in your library?

[@hunterstrong3318]

Hey, i was curious what your guys thoughts on how a rograkh/ tymna mardu hammertime deck would be. Ive had pretty high success compared to semi competitive players but havent bridged to playing against TEDH style decks

[@TheBalrog42]

Good job as always. Very interesting on seeing what are your opinion on the ban shaking the format (yeah like everyone here apparently). How did the meta will adapt, will it be good or bad for diversity ? I share some of the opinion here (financial value loss, ...) but just do some proxies, or accept it and move on

[@fr3ddiefir3ball49]

Bane of progress was my game winner the other day with ygra!! 💪

[@DREADxMAW]

Starting to get into cedh and mannn it's difficult keeping up with those triggers 🤣

[@DREADxMAW]

Hey Play to Win im building a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for my first cedh deck. Do yall ever use her?

[@Klersererer]

r.i.p dockside

[@DrukenReaps]

Think we almost saw 'bolt the bird' in cEDH xD

[@trollsmyfriend]

Am I mistaken in thinking Cam missed a few triggers of valgavoth from the attacks of the opponents?

[@k.n.o.l.l]

Valgavoth is the first time an opponent takes damage on their own turn.

[@NativeDragon93]

Those beetle juice sleeves. I want them!!! Where do I get them!?!?

[@JAKEYWAKEY3hhhh]

Tyler, how come you didn’t necromancy the displacer kitten? Then flashback Teferi ??

[@JAKEYWAKEY3hhhh]

Like 14:40

[@CHoustonify]

I know this is probably wishful thinking, but I FEEL like Arabella might have something going on. On a lucky draw in casual I had a turn 3 win because of Ocelot Pride, and making a billion tokens seems like it might be trivial? I guess the issue is if you can make a billion tokens, you already won, and other commanders can facilitate that billion tokens better. Still, killing a table of Blue Farms and Nadus with a doll is so enticing.

[@briceannonier4327]

I appreciate your videos gang. They're cool.

[@SageGnosis]

What app are y'all using for your life totals?

[@zekesheetz6799]

Am I able to buy those playmats? They look super cool

[@mazin_47]

Already waiting for a new video because of the new bans:'(