FIRST cEDH GAME POST BANS! HALLOWEEN SPECIAL!

[@יעקבהס-ת6ר]

About the convoke and vortex, the CR says it means that you can "tap a creature of that colour *rather than* paying that mana", which means this doesn't count as spending mana to cast that spell.

[@connorl0204]

A big emphasis on the *rather than* paying the mana.

[@artofyesterday1398]

Is this the same with phyrexian mana when you pay life? Would vexing bauble counter it?

[@connorl0204]

@@artofyesterday1398 correct

[@connorl0204]

@@artofyesterday1398 vexing bauble HOSES the local krrik player, especially because black has an awful time addressing artifact based problems so they won’t even be able to shoot it in most cases.

[@cyanideshark136]

Convoke specifically states that it pays for one mana of that card, not instead of.

[@Crustgg]

Immediately after pointing out the vexing bauble on solitude, Dylan pays no mana to cast sacrifice! K’rrik is so hard when bauble is out

[@mrpostman752]

I was wondering if that’s how it worked

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

HMMM OKAY YA MAGIC IS HARD

[@twi1ightknight]

I came here to ask that. thank you thank you thank you

[@Schulazo]

was going to write the same

[@firefighter0ger809]

yeah timing was great here. showing what doesnt work and then do it yourself

[@eric.ingram]

Really love seeing artists taking advantage of your platform to advertise. Love seeing the channel grow professionally and love seeing artists get the recognition and support for their endeavors.

[@GoldSabertooth]

Dudes, thank you! Love you guys so much. Appreciate all you two and Tyler, Brandon, and Nate do for the cEDH community. Lucky to call ya pals.

[@LuckyExplosive]

Just looked this up and casting things solely using convoke does not "use mana". Seems fairly unintuitive when you read the reminder text for convoke, but I guess a good way I will use to remember it is to remember that Hogaak can't be cast using mana. xD

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

UGH OKAY YA I THINK YOURE RIGHT

[@profozpin227]

I've seen a few people say this already, but just to reiterate: unlike chalice of the void, which only counters 0 cmc spells, vexing bauble counters ALL spells which didn't use mana to be cast. If gitaxian probe is cast but you didn't spend blue, it will be countered.

[@wilfulbuckle13]

Like the sacrifice

[@rav5373]

Seeing experienced people forget about Vexing Bauble makes me feel better. Last week i endstep Enlightened Tutor, wanted to get Sol Ring, a friend tells me jokingly(but i didn't get the joke) to grab Mox Diamond, i agree thinking that if i grab it i can play Tymna on turn 2, he then immediately shuts up. I draw my mox, play it and he points at the Vexing Bauble which was played immediately before i played my Enlightened Tutor

[@TwistedxGamer101]

Friend probably should have said something considering he made the point to but yeah, an annoying Stax card to have to remember lol

[@waynecalvert2148]

Just about every game I've ever played, if someone were to search a free spell, then have it pointed out after the fact that there's a bauble, would just pick their deck up and change their decision. In a casual setting its hard to say hey, you cant do that 😅

[@xStarborn]

@@rav5373 both you and friend are guitarded

[@rav5373]

@@xStarborn i am, my friend was joking, i didn't realise it was a joke and forgot about the bauble

[@thedoctor1471]

@@rav5373 The fact he didn't tell you about the bauble and shut up is kinda not cool tho.

[@ducttape117]

3:48 Did he pay 2 life to cast this Sacrifice? That's should have been countered by Vexing Bauble.

[@bluedrakonx]

isnt paying phyrexian mana also mana?

[@ducttape117]

@@bluedrakonx Good question, but no. Though it's called "Phyrexian Mana" by players for simplicity, it's actually just an alternate cost that says "either pay a mana of this color OR 2 life."

[@bryantan4228]

@@ducttape117Also Krrik doesn’t actually grant spells phyrexian mana, which is relevant for Vraska, Betrayal’s Sting. You can pay B for her phyrexian cost, use Krrik for her black pip, and she comes with full loyalty

[@TheMrLifeguard]

Cam's side commentary for the deck introductions gave me a big smile on my face, great to see you guys having fun with it.

[@dathore]

Small note, when Dylan cast the Cruelclaw's Heist, he should've taken 5 damage from the Roiling Vortex but he only took 4 from the K'rikk ability cost.

[@wilfulbuckle13]

I literally screamed out loud when Dylan let that Bolt resolve...

[@mrfighterman6648]

I just got back into Cedh and built master of keys, I has interesting lines you can take with the deck. I always wanted an esper enchantment graveyard commander years ago and this guy made my dreams come true.

[@brandoncontreras85]

Was an absolute honor to have met you guys at Magiccon Vegas!! Great episode!

[@morganelliott3145]

I love how yall can’t tell when the game is over. “Here’s a comment” the game immediately ends “oh shit yea that’s the game” relatable

[@ljlk8583]

this episode is a dream!!! These are like the 4 decks I most want to see on this channel! (other than maybe marneus)

[@rowrow_]

A case for convoke not counting as paying mana: Hogaak has Convoke, and says you can't spend mana to cast this spell. Vortex would trigger off a fully convoked spell by broodlord. Also can Cam continue to describe the spooky flavor of each commander in the opening intros?

[@thestrugglingchef30]

Ah yes the classic spooky outro "Spooky Man Chins" XD great video as always, you guys are the best 👍

[@christopherlightfoot2815]

I really appreciate the play-by-plays, they're very informative!

[@jojo77567]

Gold sabertooth‘s art looks Amazing! I‘ll Check it out ! ❤

[@jawda6262]

that playmat nate has is sweet, great games

[@jacobpearson8573]

Finally super excited for y’all’s videos helps understand the game a lot better

[@KeirenMac]

When cruelclaws heist is played for 4 life, roiling vortex should have fired off 5 damage. Same with not dead after all

[@paulmcclain642]

The synchronization at the beginning was masterful and the Ob Nix piloting was masterful too. I don't have a Rakdos deck. It might be time to change that . . .

[@c0n5um1n973ff43y]

solitude gets countered to vecing bauble. immediately after the sacfrice dylan cast should have been counter for he only paid life and no mana

[@ColorsAreACrutch]

Just shouting out the Ichigo Hallow mask on Cam for the BEGIN! Caught the reference and it is appreciated

[@CharlotteMimic]

1:10 nightmare blunt rotation in the lit alley

[@zachstover1500]

7:35 could have copied the zealous conscripts to give the oswald haste instead of making the token and having to sac the original, balloon man is so cool!

[@RustySh4ckelfrd]

I’ve been playing strix serenade in my Kinnan deck since it came out and I love the card. Counters a lot of good stuff.

[@iPhoneeditor]

Love getting two games on Sundays! These were great!

[@Questioning_Phelddagrif]

Wow! Nate's playmat is really cool!

[@tnsicgaming2329]

Yooo two of my favourite commanders! Kirk and Ob Nicholas! :D

[@angery-scouser1000]

Loving the content as usual guys! still awaiting the return of my favourite deck to watch on this channel Rocco!!! You guys are the reason I play this deck and I still play him post ban, list feeling great!!! BRING THE CHEF BACK!

[@lazarlazarteam1033]

Awesome video!!

[@dt6352]

love the games! who's the artist who did the art on Nate's playmat? that Elesh Norn is looking sick as hell

[@Kelthulu89]

So excited to see Keys being used right after talking to you guys about Keys at MagicCon!!

[@unnoticed67]

Love all the deck descriptions by Cam lol

[@The_Metalcrafter]

Finally a good showing of The Master of Keys!

[@e5spike833]

Vexing Bauble is so good against so many cEDH decks,solid move from Cam

[@wilfulbuckle13]

I've only seen in lose games in my personal games

[@wanderingaming5805]

Goldsabertooth made me some sweet custom Inalla tokens and Dihada treasures when I met him, he's a great dude! Glad you guys know/support him.

[@backupgirlll]

Love to see K’rrik on the channel. My favorite deck to play!

[@wilfulbuckle13]

That Bolt resolving killed me

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Soul cauldron+ballista with ob nixillis is pretty sweet

[@TETTAhatHunger]

15:43 Did Nate just pay 3 for Ob Nixilis? Where does the forth mana come from?

[@samuellevesque2424]

Came to comments wondering how je casted a 4 mana spell with 3 😂

[@Timbuktu-qt2lj]

Cool video, love your gameplays videos showing how fun cedh is.

[@hunterhamiltondvdscv2323]

Can't wait for my playmats!

[@Krisunderscore_1]

At 3:45 dylan pays 0 mana for sacrifice with vexing bauble in play

[@EdgePhreek]

Master of keys seems pretty awesome.

[@L363NDK1LL3R]

Love the games boys. 👻

[@romanostone6254]

So happy to see Dylan playing K'rrik. It is a super fun and powerful (even though it got trimmered with the bans). I'm not sure if it is viable, but maybe bring some people that play more of the deck to talk about it would be great too! Fonzie, Kentrell or Peter would be great coaches for K'rrik great video!

[@wilfulbuckle13]

It's definitely still viable, just less consistent turn one wins

[@romanostone6254]

@@wilfulbuckle13 oh, I meant as "not sure if it is viable to invite someone to talk about the deck" hehe

[@MrWader76]

Love you all. That’s it.

[@benkse2010]

Yuriko! I need more ninja flips! Backing the KS because she's included. Woot woot.

[@francescomirizio5419]

At 15:45 how did the ob nixilis player cast his commander with only three lands? What am i missing?

[@williammartin172]

I think a match between OB Nixilis Captive Kingpin, Umbris Fear Manifest, Avacyn, Angel Of Hope and Nekusar, The Mindrazor would be an interesting match up 😅 not CEDH but will definitely be fun

[@credoakinuchi1364]

Hell yeah Cam, I've got the same Ichigo mask myself! Ngl now I'm wondering what a Bleach-themed deck would look like. 😂🔥

[@jtvanilla1776]

No, convoke is a "rather than paying the mana" situation. That's okay, Magic is hard.

[@Crona975]

idk if its been said. but convoke is not paying for the spell. it is removing the cost of the spell by what was convoked, not paying the cost as mana, so you did have it right the first time it came up on the channel .

[@kevin171994]

In pilotin that list from k’rrik and it can be very hard to know when to cast what, but if you dont win by turn 2-4 the deck runs out of gas very quickly

[@wilfulbuckle13]

That Bolt resolving made me cry

[@alexanderschiano2441]

I believe vexing bauble could have countered the sacrifice

[@nicholasbowdler9447]

This was too scary for me. I screamed the entire time

[@OnionSauceGo]

AD before Begin really just 👀

[@wonderkidjr.3234]

Thanks for doing an Ob Nixilis video featuring three other decks lol

[@wad_Mr.J]

Cam got the hollow mask animation so I just wanna know what he thought when he seen Uryu body Ichigo with his Vollstandig... tybw is 🔥

[@colemosley1611]

Wait is that Cricket????!?! I love that card so much

[@enby_a]

I think Dylan would take 5 damage from roiling vortex off the cruelclaw’s heist bc he didn’t pay any mana, just life

[@Cer000s]

Vexing bauble also counters sacrifice and the lot...

[@CharlesECheese]

Are you all planning on going to Eternal Weekend this year in Pittsburgh?

[@HeavyweightWingman1]

What do we have to do to get a deck tech for Master of Keys?! I've been in the MoK Discord for weeks and would love to have your input on what works and why, in the current meta! Love your content, it's 100% my go-to for cEDH gameplay and info.

[@MachuMTG]

Nicely done, GG's 👍

[@austincorace6259]

Hit up Sabertooth for that sexy Korvold play mat🙏. Thank for the shoutout y'all, Jund supremacy forever!

[@lucasGOAT1]

Ob nixilis is such a cool card. Currently building him as my first cedh deck

[@Unifiedesign]

We need a Post-Malone Post-Ban cameo here

[@Krigsministern]

Here's a free idea for next years Halloween. What do you watch during October? Horror movies. So what's the best horror creature type cedh commander?

[@wilfulbuckle13]

It has to be K'rrik right?

[@Radnoj94]

instead of Ob, what are your thoughts on Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls, The lord of pain in CEDH? Valgavoth seems similar but the lord of pain might be a bit slow?

[@kellyperry5009]

Cedh still feels empty without the banned cards. But the videos are fun! #thebestpartofsunday

[@ijs1090]

I've been very interested in Ob lately, always good to see in action to keep thinking about it. Not a huge deal, but there might be some mismatch between the decks linked and what you played, since the list does not include Walking Ballista 🤷‍♂

[@Vrir16]

Dylan, is that a Rickety Cricket proxy you have in your spread after getting knocked out?!

[@dieentdeckung]

Ob Nix is doing juuuust fine. Great games guys!

[@peteryankowsky]

Love seeing K$ represented on the channel!! ⚫️⚫️⚫️

[@DeadBeatDanny]

18:54 what is this politicking Dylan??? Haha

[@AntonAFünf]

Shouldnt be the Sacrafice be counterd too because you just payed life and no Mana? (3:49')

[@BrashM]

Cam’s hair looking 🫦

[@jeffreysmall1087]

Fun times. Popsicle stick joke for the algorithm. Why do firefighters wear suspenders? To keep their pants us silly.

[@xStarborn]

Suprised dylan isnt running the chain of smog + professor onyx combo, good with a storm strategy

[@wilfulbuckle13]

It feels too clunky in K'rrik

[@xStarborn]

@@wilfulbuckle13 lol no, aether is the chonker. 2 tutors for a combo to win, care to elaborate how thats clunky?

[@wilfulbuckle13]

@xStarborn I haven't been on Aether in like 8 months. So many spots to interact and it's all non creature.

[@prestonjohnson1537]

I just pulled a jeweled lotus from a pack that came with a commander deck I got at Costco for $27. Immediately annoyed that the big pull from the pack is worthless and I can't even really trade it for something I can use.

[@dave_8600]

It’ll be reinstated once the tiers come out

[@prestonjohnson1537]

@@dave_8600 I hope so. I've sort of wanted one for my Dargo/Tormond deck.

[@CommanderMT]

great 😍

[@Remedy_X]

Does bable not counter the sacrifice you paid life for it right not the black mana maybe I just don't know the interaction

[@lapsehc]

razorkin needlehead, for 2 mana this card is busted. its going to be a kill on site in the future for me.

[@iliketea4443]

really fun match to watch, sad neither K'riik nor the Kiki-Ballon-Jiki went off :) maybe next time

[@Pilottoproperties]

Dylan where can we get your play to Win mat ?

[@emillarsen2156]

7:15 does anyone know the name of the song?

[@alanschellenberger9356]

and here i thought ob nixilis would be dead. nope! just slower to set up

[@SeanThomas1992]

Uhh… Begin!

[@Dafoon_TCG]

do you have a link to the k,rrik deck on mox field ?

[@BaconBitZ2007]

I didnt know Baker Mayfield played Magic! Thats pretty sick! Lol

[@Thaelkor]

Love seeing a K'rrik game.

[@doglo4080]

How many takes for that bit in the into?

[@lightningcreep]

I tried K’rrik recently and rarely did it win, losing crypt and lotus hurt it too much, I think the conversion rate is around 7%. Not to mention monoblack has so few ways to disrupt wins these days.

[@williammartin172]

Please make Umbris great again 😅, I would love to find a CEDH build for Umbris Fear Manifest ❤

[@runratchetrun]

Yo Nate with the Alex Schwartz play mat!

[@zeyloman8326]

Sup sup bro! Awesome video , i learn a lot from watching them. Wondering if you guy's are going to talk about the new marvel commanders (storm, force of nature👀)

[@Jesse_The_Enchanter]

I didn’t know Baker Mayfield and Trevor Lawrence were into magic 😂