Who Should Be the Main Villain of The Batman Part 2?

[@marcusyates3044]

Mr Freeze: "Since you ally yourself with my enemies, you leave me no choice"

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Hopefully, it is Mr Freeze 🙏 and he's somewhat fantastical. That's if he uses him.

[@uzii6540]

Y’all are delusional

[@MisterDriskul]

@@FriendlyBatDoom If they do, it will be like the Telltale Series. Which I don't mind, it seems fitting.

[@TheBatman39]

​@MisterDriskul I hope it won't, it has to be like Heart of Ice from BTAS or like the Arkham Origins DLC Cold, Cold Heart

[@callmejacob3234]

@@FriendlyBatDoom Matt Reeves has said he'll have fantastical elements but will never go full fantastical. So Mr. Freeze having a cryo-suit and a freeze gun is possible.

[@Jack_Simpson]

I mean The Penguin did just kind of establish himself as one of the best villains to ever exist. That said, him just being a passive force in the next movie could be cool.

[@Kiiieeechiii]

I prefer when he’s a secondary villain who runs the iceberg lounge and helps out other villains

[@AliFrankTheTank]

i feel like he always been a HIM. Joker, Riddler, Penguin top 3 Bat villains Hope he a side character in all future projects 🔥🔥

[@samuelluftensteiner68]

I think that now that we have a good idea of who and what he is, the movie(s) have a unique opportunity to have him as a looming presence in the background with him still feeling very much present without actually showing up. A bit like Sauron in LOTR maybe, who is never actually encountered in the flesh, but still has an oppressive presence trough the influence he wields in the wider environment and the henchmen he controls, or the White Walkers in GoT, the threat of which is still felt, if not seen for most of the time, out there somewhere, while everyone is busy with smaller and pettier things. Batman could have both his hands full with whatever villain they go with and still be constantly and worryingly reminded of a bigger menace in the shadows that will have to be dealt with eventually, and by now, we the audience know exactly what he´ll be in for once that day comes. Developing and fleshing out both characters in parallel makes any intersections between their two character arcs all the more impactful . Personally, I´d love to see Hugo strange in this world, eerie and menacing and dangerously intelligent, played by someone like Charles Dance or Giancarlo Esposito.

[@Jack_Simpson]

@ Well said

[@HappyBob701]

@@samuelluftensteiner68 That's not how his character works. I think you are thinking of the joker buddy. Better luck next time though.

[@caolanmcflynn2412]

Not the joker anybody but the joker let someone else get the lime light for once

[@SiCxStYlEs]

They should definitely do Joker but do it in the 3rd movie or hell make him that end game type villain

[@davidchittick6783]

​@@SiCxStYlEsYES!!!

[@Aenigmakil]

​@@SiCxStYlEs you know it!

[@agaz2272]

Later. I think Freeze and Penguin will be the villains

[@moneykenny119]

@@PLUTOXGOAT Riddler incorporated a ton of elements of Hush. Hush would be a rehash in my opinion

[@walidkhan4132]

"Death is Cold, Batman" - Mr.Freeze ❄️

[@TheBatman39]

What a cool quote, buddy. Freeze had the coldest quotes in Arkham City.

[@Arkhambattles]

​@@TheBatman39Literally

[@JoelMiller431]

*The Batman Saga* Projects Ranked 1. The Batman (2022) 2. The Penguin (2024)

[@lilpasta282]

RIDDLER: YEAR ONE by Paul Dano

[@Sam_Gunn]

@@lilpasta282so glad someone else pointed this out

[@joshuahecht6866]

And the middle school prequel literature for Batman. Where Bruce is in a fast and furious parody.

[@JG-ql7ne]

The black mask

[@JG-ql7ne]

The joker

[@TheRealBullyMaguire]

I think Mister Freeze would be good

[@douggherkin]

Too unbelievable for the Matt Reeves world.

[@l8studios_]

@@douggherkinhe steals peoples organs to give to Nora but keeps the people he steals them from alive by freezing them using liquid nitrogen

[@AYIS1]

@@douggherkinthere are realistic ways he could be implemented, it is gonna be in the holiday season so he could take advantage of the weather

[@bigdonny5569]

Give him the ice truck killer treatment

[@douggherkin]

@@AYIS1 No he's too unrealistic. You won't see him.

[@sentry4360]

Seeing the Bat signal at the end really solidified the idea of Pattinson's take being a symbol for hope. Never felt more "relief" knowing we'll get it back for Vic 😪

[@IdocarebutIdont]

Court of Owls and Black Mask. Both would go so hard in this universe. Make the entire theme of the movie based on masks. Point being that everyone's real disguise is their clean public perception, while the mask is actually their true personality. Something that everyone shares with Batman and that Riddler also briefly addressed last time. Same would also apply to Penguin now, who "cleaned his vest" and dresses up now to spent time with the high society of Gotham. Would be perfect for Robert's Bruce to create his fake playboy persona, using it to get inside of the inner circles of the Owl network and I can already envision the 'Catwoman Masked Ball' scenes.

[@hgriff14]

that is the best idea ive seen for it. ive wanted a movie with the court of owls for about a decade now. they could be the main villains and the penguin can have influence in the story without physically being in the movie.

[@jorts_master69]

Having the Court of Owls be an enemy that Bruce needs to infiltrate as just himself and not Batman would be a brilliant way of shaking up the formula. Bruce having to rely on just his wits and raw skills as opposed to gadgets and a suit would add a great layer of tension to his tangles with the Court of Owls.

[@cameronh0701]

They did to the Penguin what they did to Homelander, two perfect characters you absolutely love to hate

[@Jander611]

Homelander and penguin the best villains of the year

[@HappyBob701]

@@Jander611 homelander and the boys is for little kids. Penguin is for real men

[@motor4X4kombat]

with the exception that penguin will NOT overstay his welcome and became a parody of himself..... thats joker's job HAHAHAHAH!!

[@finbarlyons4042]

I think a universe where you have camera contact lenses can do a believable ice gun

[@troybracy2915]

Hell no a ice gun would be so stupid

[@aacproductions996]

Don’t forget about the red lights that can make a dementia patient perfectly reenact past memories, or the suit of armor that’s bullet proof, bomb proof, and bus proof But a gun that shoots ice is too fantastical (even though it literally exists in real life, albeit a really shitty version)

[@CommunityFan]

​@aacproductions996 the red lights is an actual therapeutic method tho

[@CommunityFan]

Camera contact lenses actually might be already a thing we are making so lol

[@mac2669]

@@aacproductions996grow up.

[@ghostme1635]

I like the idea of The Penguin hiring some villians/ mercenarys to take out Batman

[@crank1828]

Perfect

[@malegofaygo7166]

Same

[@bradleymarshall5489]

like Arkham origins

[@Walupeach4528]

Maybe Hush or Deadshot

[@MandoFlores-kz5is]

​​@@Walupeach4528 or Bane

[@MadMax-de5uh]

In the background of Julian Rushes office you can see the scarecrow mask and syringe glove in episode 4

[@Obi-Wan-Kenobi_]

I think mr freeze should be a side villain as all he wants is to save his wife which will allow the main villain to take advantage. Id love it to be scarecrow

[@HappyBob701]

scarecrow fanboys are the worst. Nolan already did him. NEXT. Anyone who wants Scarecrow, Bane, or Raz a Ghul are dumb dumbs

[@ggplayz_yt]

Scarecrow was actually teased/referenced in either episode 4 or 2-3 of the penguin in Julian rush’s office we can see his syringe glove and the scarecrow’s mask

[@dim391]

If it’s set during the Christmas season, it should be Mr. Freeze. And no, the series DID benefit from having no Batman cameo. And the fact that viewers thought less of the show just because Batman/Bruce did not appear is so stupid.

[@Flyguyfishing]

I want scarecrow make this a horror movie

[@MadMax-de5uh]

Julian Rush is scarecrow watch episode 4 and look at the background in his office

[@tiznip]

court of owls with him, what a combo

[@tiznip]

@@MadMax-de5uhhe is bloom

[@zulkifli4201]

Matt Reeves Batman saga are Worth to live for ❤

[@davidchittick6783]

Facts!!!

[@dragonhead99]

Until, James Gunn got something better for DC Comics movies than just Batman.

[@darkknightfan7520]

I hope it’s something ppl who’re saying they want court of owls & hush won’t expect. I see the potential in Mr freeze, scarecrow or even the mad hatter. Heck, we need a live action take on two-face who actually does have d.i.d. Really any classic rouge (or an obscure one to make them cool) that still needs a big break on the silver screen or one that deserves another chance after their less than desirable take in one of the previous films. Definitely save joker for last.

[@MadMax-de5uh]

JULIAN RUSH IS SCARECROW MASK AND GLOVE ARE IN HIS OFFICE IN EPISODE 4

[@Vokon]

its not that I want Court Of Owls. Its just Matt Reeves quotes make it sound like its Court Of Owls. Like it just screams Court Of Owls. Obviously Id love a villain like Scarecrow more but based on Matt Reeves it looks like its going to be CoO. Not confirmed but its hinting at it.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​@@VokonI can see them putting a known face as leader of court of owls. I'm thinking Hush or Thomas Elliot. Owls are a group of rich aristocrats and the Gotham bridge is named after Elliot family

[@cursedtuna7369]

i agree that the freeze gun is definitely too "sci-fi fantastical" but i believe it can be pulled off. the most fantastical part of the freeze gun is the fact that it's essentially just an ice laser so to ground it a little bit, they could have the laser be more of a liquid nitrogen spray cannon connected to a large tank full of liquid nitrogen on mr. freeze's back. mr. freeze is a scientist, i think it's believable that he could create what i described

[@bigheadrhino]

I actually really liked Gotham Freeze. The AOE of the freeze gun was surprisingly terrifying. He killed so easily.

[@alexbain87]

“It would move me to tears, if I still had tears to shed.” - Mr. Freeze

[@LLSmooveH]

surprisingly NOBODY is saying Black Mask who can absolutely fit in Reeves world & could be great in his hands

[@PLUTOXGOAT]

Yeah completely agree, it's gonna be black mask

[@viewingnate773]

Since Matt reeves is trying to go for a more grounded Batman I don’t think me.freeze would work that great. But personally one villain that we have never seen on the big screen that I think would be perfect is professor pyg because just think about it he is a normal human that just kills people- THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

[@VenomtheOne]

I'd pick either Hush, Court of Owls or Black Mask. Great White Shark or Prometheus would be interesting as well.

[@darkgoddarkseid2824]

The greatest Comic Book show ever made*

[@hashshashiin.forsī]

Facts

[@dukeslytalker1192]

What's its biggest competitor

[@darkknightfan7520]

Since daredevil.

[@jaylenjayden9305]

Agreed

[@kings-mf8fe]

​@@darkknightfan7520daredevil is ok

[@Bait_Cheese]

10:19 batman begins

[@theuniversalviewer6334]

He was kind of a secondary villain.

[@NUCLEARDASH]

That was scarybird

[@yukikid2195]

I really hope it’s hush or clayface. They can do such a great and scary movie with those dudes as the villain

[@yukikid2195]

I have a decent idea for two face! He’d be great too

[@alihmaulaakmal]

​@@yukikid2195i think matt one to make two face show from rumor story about how corupt gothem law

[@beastlyfails7695]

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[@eleegs]

Joker will be a Hannibal lecturer type recurring character and will be used as a cameo or supporting role in some, of the other HBO max mini series and spin pffs

[@WeebGuru6]

Let’s use scarecrow with the Arkham design

[@DrOttoEdits]

Which design? The design form Arkham Asylum or Arkham Knight. Personally, I think they should use the Scarecrow design from Batman: The New Animated Series.

[@MadMax-de5uh]

They’re doing that watch episode 4 of penguin you can see the glove and mask in Julian rushes office

[@morris01]

Scarecrow is getting a solo movie so I doubt he’d be in the Batman part 2

[@KartikeyDixit-xs9ot]

Mr freeze will be the villian because matt revees cannot miss this chance with the setting of batman 2 Giancarlo Esposito as Mr Freeze is perfect❤

[@flintlockwood25]

If you think Penguin is boring you should read Penguin Pain and Prejudice as well as his story in the Joker's Asylum series, they're the two best comics Penguin's ever been in in my opinion, and I say this as someone who has Penguin as a top 5 Batman villain

[@ismaelgingles9409]

I feel like since gotham city was flooded after the walls were destroyed in the first movie then killer croc would fit perfectly in the second movie. That could give us a horror vibe because we see how dark gotham gets at night so Image we see batman looking for clues on a case he's been working on then he hids down into the city's old storm tunnels/sewers and the only thing he has is bat flashlight or torch lighting his way. Then while he's down there he hears growling sounds and sees a pair of red or green eyes in the water at first he thinks it's just an animal that was washed down here after the city was flooded but then he turns back and the eyes are going then he hears a voice a raspy but also animalistic voice saying food then killer croc slowly comes out of the water and batman is surprised because he's never faced a creature like this. That could be a good horror story or arc for killer croc. Second villain could be scarecrow since he makes your worst fears come true and it would be interesting to see how that could play on batman's nightmares like his parents getting killed or alfred getting badly hurt so it would make it feel more personal to batman and when his infected with the fear toxin he could see or hear his parents calling out to him saying why didn't you save us or you should have done more to help them and it could take a toll on batman's mind and it would make him question if his worthy of the batman's name or the wayne legacy. That could be another horror themed villain Third villain could be clayface since he can turn into anyone or thing it could play a personal role in the movie because in the batman tas we see clayface take the form of Bruce Wayne and attack his closest friend fox and frame the real Bruce so he could turn the people of gotham against batman that would be cool to see and could give the feeling of who can batman trust and who he can't. The four villain could be deadshot the assassin/marksman since his so good with guns and has really aim so it could be like batman arkham city were we batman fighting some military soldiers or an elite squad of fighters then as one of them takes out a blade it gets shot out of the soldier's hand then we switch to deadshot's perspective and his on top a bridge with a sniper rifle with a red laser on and wearing his iconic mask with the target sight on it. That would be awesome batman the world's greatest detective and fighter going up against the world's best marksman and assassin.

[@ismaelgingles9409]

Agreed nice list 😊

[@MentLeee]

Harvey Dent trying to take down Penguin as Mayor but then teaming with him after his change, to the Two-Face

[@mrmadfunny5507]

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥! 😅

[@drvince0725]

No way?!! That was the ending??? That’s so cool! I’ve never seen an ep of this show but omg that bat signal is making me so hyped

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

I like the idea of Penguin being this series main villain. Where part 2 focuses on someone else, another tv show or two introduces more villains and then finally in Batman part 3, make the Penguin be the ring leader for the previously introduced villains who pays them to go against Batman

[@inthecloudz1272]

Hush , with penguin as a smaller villain. Introduce Harvey as new DA and hell be the villain of 3

[@Kubson3105]

Mr. Freeze would be perfect Villain to show Batman's transformation from Vengeance to Symbol of hope

[@achd5083]

If they want to continue the more detective-focused story of the first move then Mad Hatter would be perfect. It’d be a psychological thriller with Batman racing against time to save underage girls from a deranged lunatic and you could even incorporate Scarecrow as an initial ally like Dent in Dark Knight. Have Crane, a senior ranking psychiatrist at Arkham, brought in by Gordon to assist with the psychological profile of the case only to see Mad Hatter’s psychological torture of the girls he kidnapped and use the techniques for his own fear-based experiments at Arkham which results in him creating the Scarecrow persona.

[@TKinfinity01]

We need a good Mr. Freeze portrayal. The character deserves it.

[@silversrc]

Heres my prediction for the Batverse going forward, The Batman II should feature either Mr Freeze or Prometheus. I honestly think that an emotional story with Mr Freeze that retells his story and tells it In an amazing way could be an absolute hit and be even better than the first film, I can very much envision him (even his design) as the first thing other than Batman that shocks their world to an even greater degree. I love the idea of Batman slowly coming to the realization his city is becoming weirder and more out of control every second. Leading to him developing more technology and maybe recruiting Lucius Fox or possibly Harold Allnut. For Promethus, I genuinely think he can be the perfect mirror and will really make Batman question his morals, (let me cook) In the first movie they dive into the backstory of Thomas Wayne a little bit, Riddler makes him question his faith. I think it'd be amazing if Promethus parent/s was the one/s who killed Bruces parents. That would add a whole level of depth into it, their sole reason of being would be so interconnected. I genuinely think this could work if done well, as to how Promethus gets into the plot, I think Penguin (after seeing Batman is back into action finally) will panic a bit and try to retaliate by hiring an assassin for protection and dirty work. While Promethus would have his own goals of killing the police officer who murdered his parents and just generally being a meance to any figure of "justice". The movie would be a crime thriller, as batman uses his detective prowess to uncover Promethus identity as his mind, body and will are tested to their absolute breaking point. Batman would also think of developing tech to finally gain an edge over his counterpart(I want this movie to explore him becoming more fantastical) I think Harold could make more sense in this context After this movie, I'd want to see a series centered around Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face, being torn down and eventually completely broken by a broken city, focusing on the corruption of Gothan and then eventually leading up to The Court of Owls. The Batman III should wrap up the court of owls story line they have going on in a nice bow.

[@gregoryjames174]

The Batman 2's villain is Mr. Freeze, it was inadvertently let slip by Rhyenzy Feliz. He said Batman 2 was set in the snow and that can only mean two things, Mr. Freeze or it's based off of the Christmas part of The Long Halloween storyline. Or I'm just guessing that's what he meant.

[@camzilla_does_music834]

I definitely think they're gunna set up the court of owls as the 3rd movie villains in the 2nd movie and then maybe a series in between to set up even deeper

[@yournotmytwin7982]

How good was the penguin series for real! Hands down my series of the year by far, it’s almost god tier the casting was perfect aswell

[@DrOttoEdits]

Hugo Strange would be a fantastic addition to this universe. Something similar to his Arkham City characterization would be great. Also, if Scarecrow is the primary antagonist. I think he should have his design from Batman: The New Animated Series.

[@thatonkgau5221]

I believe the overarching villain of the batman is the court of owls. The penguin should be the main villain of the batman part two along with Mr freeze.

[@thequestion2859]

I'm really loving that we're getting villains who are evil but still sympathetic

[@flyinglions2223]

It’d be cool if we see Batman develop his Bruce Wayne persona by the second movie. Maybe with Oz now being a powerhouse in Gotham, he views Bruce as a threat and starts messing with his personal life

[@christianmanka3884]

I genuinely always found that the penguin was a really boring uninterest character until this show amazing and its movie. He also did get a very good story in Gotham as well.

[@MrSTravelQuest]

I'm really excited for *Batman 2* after how incredible the *Penguin* series was! It would be amazing to see Robin make an appearance. I can’t help but wish Vic was still around to bring that character to life.

[@nahthanksno8299]

I kinda want to see Mr Freeze as a disfigured serial killer who envisions himself in the suit with a freeze gun but who actually traps the people he holds responsible for his accident in enclosed spaces he fills with dry ice or pumps nitrogen into. Like an unventilated room or a refrigerator. I love classic Me Freeze but the whole robot suit isn’t gonna translate well into this world. Keep him a mysterious serial killer offscreen so we only see the results of his attacks and let his delusions be all we see of him for most of the film. Keep his disfigurements and let him believe Nora is still alive but ultimately reveal she’s been dead the whole time. He can still be sympathetic but the whole “I can cure her one day” is just a plot device to justify multiple appearances for Victor. Let him be a genuine victim but lean into his mental illnesses more than the Batman and Robin version

[@samuelt1647]

The thing I wonder is if Batman is questioning himself after his failure to stop the Riddler. It might well be that GCPD is wondering where he's been when nobody shows up for the signal

[@jessicastrike5640]

Mad Hatter is a perfect choice for the sequel. The first film has Batman as “Vengeance” where he learns he needs to inspire hope not just fear, and so for a sequel he needs to come to the rescue of a damsel in distress, like a “Knight” you could say. Hatter is rejected by Alice so he tries to create technology to control her mind, killing his test subjects until he perfects the system and can kidnap Alice to make her his forever. Batman would have to use his detective skills to work out what is happening and the link between the victims to save Alice. The film could be called “The Batman: Rabbit-holes” or “The Batman: Madness” But we’ll probably get Freeze, which I would also love to see, it would actually be fun to see these two in the same film but not working together, Batman has to work out how to save people in very different circumstances (victims, loved ones, the antagonists themselves) and the film even has a perfect title with “Winter Wonderland” Then in part 3 we complete the trifecta where he finally becomes “The Batman”

[@hitmanhatton]

The Joker is played out. I think it's time to put that character on the shelf for the time being, and explore other options

[@justthinkingoutloud2538]

Great video, you've definitely put more thought into what Matt Reeves in envisioning than most KZbinrs I've watched. My own thoughts are very similar. I'm sure the film will start out focused on Batman going on the offensive against Penguin, we just don't see too much of him because we're in Batman's POV, and his focus ends up gradually shifting to the main antagonist. I think if they do use Hush, it'll be a different version; they'll probably just be the son of Edward Elliot out for revenge for his father's death and trying to finish what the Riddler started, who gives Batman a more personal challenge to deal with and forces him to take action to redeem his family name. I will be extremely disappointed if we don't get the Court of Owls at some point, but I really hope they take their time building them up for Part 3. Also, I think Joker should remain a presence in the series, but primarily as a Hannibal Lecter type antagonist who Batman just goes to now and then. I agree that we need Harvey Dent in this universe, and that he'll probably be introduced in Part 2 to be given his own show (I believe Matt has said they've thought about doing a legal drama, so that seems to be on the table). And finally, I would love to see Hugo Strange, though he'd be best used in an Arkham show, which I hope happens after all.

[@xenaskye8216]

In my eyes, the penguin had been told he had to have a crystal clean rep to get into the government. He did this by getting rid of anyone who could provide dirt on him (i.e Sophia & Victor). The only person who could stop Oz or tell the truth of what Oz is and what he did, is his mother. But due to her vegetative state she can't tell the world or anyone. In some way, shape or form I could see some character needing to bring Oz's mum back either to gather information on The Penguin to bring him down. Or Oz himself wanting to being his mum back to tell him she's proud of him. To do this I imagine there would need to be a scientist character. Why not Freeze? The penguin is a key manipulator and I could see him using Freeze to bring back his mother with the promise he'll help fund Freeze's research to save his own wife. It would make Freeze more tragic as well if he can save other peoples loved ones but not his own. Going on from this, Freeze's name is Victor. I feel like it would be an amazing plot point to have another character the penguin manipulates and uses, then discards to be called Victor? Maybe? I feel like it would be poetic Victor Freeze is an honest good man, who is pure of heart and is the most non-corrupt character. The Penguin is the opposite. He could be manipulated and forced by the penguin to believe Oz is his friend, and he does what he does because its for his wife (committing crime). Oz also making Victor Freeze believe batman is the enemy. Only to realize later he was tricked. Then teaming up with batman to fight the corrupt forces of Gotham. Maybe I make no sense. But I just had to say this :)

[@PLUTOXGOAT]

Black Mask Deacon Blackfire Mad Hatter Hugo Strange Hush Azrael It will be one of those

[@ouieneffet81]

Hot take but I would LOVE to see Firefly as the main vilain of the part II. I mean they changed a lot the Riddler to make it fit this take on this Batlan universe and I think someone like Firefly could be very interesting if they change his motivations and a bit his design

[@Joshcoshbagosh]

The problem with the whole Elliot thing is that the character referenced in Riddler's video was involved in some pretty crazy stuff related to the Waynes and Martha specifically, and I think a lot of people are expecting Reeves to pick up on that thread at some point because it seemed significant. If he did Hush, I imagine it would, like the Riddler, be pretty different that what we are used to though.

[@jacobmperry]

Would love to see them go head first into the Horror side, taking even more influence from Se7en with The Pig, done in a similar way to Arkham, that would be terrifying

[@InkDrinkerdxb]

Alright, here me out on this idea, but I feel like it would be awesome. What if they make a different show between part 2 and 3 about the joker starting a gang. What I imagine is that batman sends whoever will be the villain in part 2 and a bunch of other villains to arkham. There, Joker makes connections and unites them into a single gang because they all hate the batman. Maybe there could be an episode where it's a backstory for him but it would be maybe confusing you would never know his real origin or why he's in prison because it might all be in his head, you just know batman sent him to arkham. So they'd all break out with Joker and riddlers smarts, and they run amock in the streets. Penguin would reclaim his throne, but now Joker is in control. Joker wouldn't exactly be the main villain, but he is the guy behind the guy. He would emotionally manipulate many showing that though he's insane but intelligent. I imagine he sends smaller villains to commit crimes to screw with batman. It sounds dumb but to sum it up, Joker starts a prison gang because he's good at making connections and disecting peoples' minds, manipulate good people to do bad things like penguin did. I know Joker is overused at this point, but if he's used in a creative way like the Lego batman, did i feel like it could be good.

[@MrMgkman13]

Penguin has always been one of my favorites. Idk why, I agree that he’s not as flashy as a lot of the others, I guess I’ve always liked his vibe. I used to dream of a Nolan Penguin movie, so this series was an absolute dream come true. I was giddy as hell the first time I saw The Batman when we were finally seeing the Iceberg Lounge in live action.

[@darknessunderthewind]

I want Penguin to be a side villain like before in The Batman Part 2 but have a bigger role so the main villain can be Mr Freeze since Matt Reeves has confirmed this movie will take place around the winter which makes sense for someone like Freeze to be the main villain

[@TheChromePoet]

He's keeping his mom as almost a souvenir at this point, he doesn't even mind that she's suffering in a vegetative state.

[@RAPPER_EDITZ90210]

Penguin should rise to mayor and greatest kingpin in the background of the Batman 2 with Batman’s attention is dedicated to scarecrow and/or Mr freeze. With constant references and updates on the penguins triumph. Setting up a season 2 series in between Batman 2 and 3

[@dcsakuga7631]

Also penguin has always been interesting in the comics and his dynamic with Batman is wealth and how one uses it

[@TheHoorayfriday]

🦉 is all we need. The Court would fit so well.

[@sleepy4744]

I think the court of owls would fit perfectly in this version of batman tbh, a group of gotham elites who send a hitman style character similar to batman around to push their agenda, maybe the owl gets sent after the penguin because he is getting involved in politics. Batman saves him leaving batman vs the court being the main plot with the penguin being a kind of dark horse character to throw a twist in somewhere in the movie. If done well the court of owls can be a top tier villain

[@maykay.jaykayman9647]

Bryan Cranston as Mr Freeze, Black Mask would also fit perfectly in this Universe as a side Boss. Poison Ivy as a grounded Eco Terrorist.

[@KartikeyDixit-xs9ot]

My list for villians for batman 2 1. Mr freeze 2. Scarecrow 3. Two-face 4. Hush 5. Court of Owls They should be ❤❤

[@VoiceUnder]

Penguin was written to be hated the most, and is the reason we want Batman now. Anyone other than the Penguin being the main villain would be a disappointment

[@caigetompkins3759]

I think Scarecrow would be perfect. And can be more grounded than any of the other villains. And would be perfect for more of Batman’s detective work, instead of riddles, he would go full on forensic examination of scarecrow’s victims, finding out there was a toxin, figuring out what the toxin is, what it does, where it can be made, and who has the knowledge and the means to create the toxin. Most people don’t realize the The Scarecrow is the absolute perfect Batman detective villain.

[@davidmandel8960]

For Batman part 2, the villain should be Scarecrow. For part 3, it should be Riddler, Sophia, Scarecrow, anyone who goes to Arkham in the end of the next TV show that gets released and specially Joker.

[@captainbotstick2443]

Basically a Batman sinister 6

[@OrangeFreeman]

My personal top is: 1. Mr. Freeze 2. Scarecrow 3. Black Mask 4. Hugo Strange (maybe in 3rd movie) 5. Deathstroke Villains to be featured as side villains: 1. Victor Zsasz 2. Professor Pyg 3. Calendar Man 4. Mad Hatter 5. Killer Croc

[@Vengeance289]

For me, my choices would be Professor Pyg or Victor Zsasz.

[@shawnnbits]

I dont think anyone wants to see a lackey as the big bad. Besides they tried Zsasz in that god awful Harley Quinn movie. Only good Zsasz was in Gotham.

[@CaptainMarvel-ew7rn]

Scare crow was already done in Batman begins. So it has been done before, he isn’t that main main villain in the movie but he’s up there. It would be cool to see another take on him tho.

[@Jander611]

Scarecrow would fit so well in the reeves verse

[@chadwick5343]

Hugo Strange and Mr. Freeze are my top two. Strange can challenge Batman's mental game and ties into the focus on Arkham that Batman 1 and Penguin both gravitated around. Freeze would be an interesting first act villain who is defused and sent to Arkham leading into the Hugo Strange problem. Taking down Strange may lead to condemning Arkham which lets loose some of the other villains as a cliffhanger ending. Freeze helping Batman in the end against Strange would establish a moral spectrum among the antagonists and differentiate him.

[@alberteinstein6365]

I like your videos, man. Can your next one be about “what if…The Transformer movies were in the same universe/structured like the MCU

[@ThisLeprechaunWrites]

Ventriloquist! Definitely. Someone we haven't seen as the main villain yet. Clayface sounds cool but ultimately if you're going for realism, as Reeves is, then it should be Ventriloquist sharing the lead with Penguin. I don't want to see the Penguin being side lined like in the first. He should be front and centre.

[@emeraldninjalink6312]

Imagine Oz’s brothers did survive the drowning, and were turned into the owl killers

[@troybracy2915]

It would be so stupid if they gave Mr Freeze an ice gun in this realistic world. They would have to adapt him to make it work maybe make him a cold blooded killer that calls himself Mr freeze or something.

[@hunterweeks6091]

I think zombie owl man can work if you treat it like they did the lady in Heretic, but like, without a definite answer about whether it's real or not

[@omegaswiper]

Vic is Robin and Freeze helps Penguins mom to get his power for a while to use Bruce Wayne to save his wife.

[@SUP-h9d]

Vic's dead, fool...he ain't no future Robin

[@graybarron7695]

@@SUP-h9d uncultured swine vic survives and becomes redhood obviously

[@SUP-h9d]

@@graybarron7695 *Another id*ot enters the chat*

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Clayface 😱😱🔥🐐 and bro walks is finna be iconic lol

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I hope Penguin is a major part of Part 3. We know it's gonna culminate in the Joker, but i hope he's a major threat perhaps to both Batman and the Joker's plans. I also do think that Eve is this universe's version of Clayface. But I doubt we see her again. Maybe as Oz's assassin or something?

[@arthurkinsey]

Penguin, Two face, and Mr. Freeze. Then for the third and final film, bring back Riddler, Joker, Scarecrow, Bane, and poison ivy.

[@davionbanks883]

My thoughts on villain choices for Matt Reeves: Penguin will have a minor role as the secondary villain. (Again) Primary Villain: Two Face: Yes, his story has been told several times and most recently through Batman: Arkham Shadow VR. He could still have a small cameo appearance as he is still important to Batman mythos. The relationship that Bruce has with Harvey is clearly a selling point to Matt. The Court of Owls: They have already been hinted at on the Penguin tv show. It is very likely that they are the big bad. They are grounded, never appeared in live action, proved to be a physical threat with their talons. It’s the most logical route for Matt. Clayface: I also dread this…obviously it won’t be meta-human Clayface because he (Matt) wants his universe grounded, so I do hope they don’t make him (possibly her) a main antagonist. In my opinion, it would be trying too hard to be different because everyone loves and clearly loves meta-human Clayface.

[@MrMulligan7]

I think people don't realize the symbolism of the ID being thrown into the water, Victor's family and the events of the first film. Also they wrote the character. They got to write him and do something other than a top hat and umbrella.

[@Sumunuhriginal]

In Batman earth one penguin becomes mayor and might be something reeves is taking inspiration from which could be really interesting

[@davidchittick6783]

The next villains that I think will be in the second Batman movie will be The Court Of Owls, Scarecrow, & Hush since they were teased in both The Batman & The Penguin. If they do end up bringing them all in Part II, I wonder how all of their role will equally work in one story.

[@evangingerson1271]

I think Penguin is better for a side villain than the main villain. He could be like Dark Knight trilogy where Scarecrow showed up in every movie.

[@jaylanthompson]

The Penguin is a 10/10 but I def prefer him as a secondary villain. I’d like to see Clayface or Mr Freeze for part 2, and the court of owls + an Arkham breakout for part 3

[@trevorhoffler-xu5bq]

I never realized Eves last name was Karlo and I definitely did not even realize that was her at the end of the finale until I watched the BTS part after the episode... definitely has to be a nod

[@tespay14]

I just want the court of owls in the 3rd film also ‏‪1:37 I agree so much

[@StonexRanger]

i think everything leads to Court of Owls in Batman 3 and penguin becomes apart of it but then helps bring them down which results in his death or him in arkham

[@leeraman1074]

Mr. Penguin and setting of winter please( like the old Tim Burton Batman). Is gonna be some iconic stuff

[@andrewblaze1948]

My guess it will be Court of Owls where they make Penguin become Mayor, their puppet.

[@fatheredflea5498]

The thing with penguins is it’s meant to be a one and done thing for the show; but they could make another season with him mainly having a gang war with another villain Black Mask, good way to introduce new characters into the universe Also the reason why they made Eve was because DC has the rule where they can’t use the same villains at once. Meaning if DCU Batman brave and the bold is using Joker, Matt reeves can’t use joker until after that movie came out, the caped crusader show uses clayface, and had to use a female penguin due to Matt reeves making penguin show so he probably made Eve and gave her clayface a last name as an Easter egg to hint at clayface

[@skytalk]

I really feel like professor pyg could fit into the universe really well

[@boxybob6976]

Mad hatter anyone? You could use him as a way to introduce mind control into the universe as well as ramp up the fantastical and creepy sides of the batman world. They could even carry over his mind control chips into the third movie where the court of owls get their hands on it or something

[@Mr.Wilson_exist]

I would like to see a Batman movie with Black mask as the main villain honestly... Doing him justice in a movie would be great considering in Arhkam games Sionnis is just a push over. I would also want more side villains to by some time till the main showdown at the end like Deadshot, Hugo Strange , Deathstroke, Mad Hatter, Professor Pyg, Zsasz, or even a more grounded Ras al ghul