Who SHOULD Win a DBD Killer Tournament | My Thoughts

[@bezel95]

Sadako: *Breaks Pinhead’s bones* Pinhead: Joke’s on you, I’m into that shit.

[@painandsuffering7130]

I came here for that comment

[@s4v4gedragone43]

@@painandsuffering7130 “I came” Pinhead 2023

[@Johnsbigwick797]

Haha lol

[@theARoberts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@leechee5596]

An interesting note for onryo in the onryo vs pinhead section, when demanifested, she has no collision with the survivors. Stretching this idea a little bit, sadako could probably just avoid pinheads chains by demanifesting, since that seems to be his only true way of injuring people. Another, more extreme version of the onryo demanifesting concept, is that onryo might actually not be in the entity's realm at all, she might just be a projection of her psychic powers that "manifests" in the entity's realm, Hence why the only things she touches in the game are the ground, window vaults, and her tvs, everything else is influenced by her psychic power, even injuring survivors (with the ring and some words), so onryo might not actually be physically in game, but instead a concept that stems from leftover psychic juice, so theoretically she should be impossible to physically harm (I'm not sure how to apply this idea to pallet stuns though, maybe the entity just has rules in place?). But we also must remember that lore wise, pinhead is the creation of Leviathan, a torture deity that is probably as strong as the entity. So, yeah... I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

[@theARoberts]

Great point about her not having collision, this is exactly why I think she could just demanifest to avoid any of his attacks. Your thought on her not actually being in the realm but a psychic projection is very intriguing. She does have a psychic connection with the Entity, so with my limited knowledge of her lore from the books, I suppose it is at least possible that she could manifest herself in the Entity's realm through the connection she has with the Entity, without having to be physically present, as you noted she never physically interacts with Survivors except for pallet stuns. I definitely think Pinhead is super strong, but I've been convinced that Onryo is stronger.

[@tofferooni4972]

I think she is stronger than Pinhead, but weaker than the Leviathan

[@Boon.Oreo6042]

@@theARoberts In the original book and the original movie Sadako is long dead and the one that presents herself is a psychic manifestation so really she's already just a manifestation of psychic powers even before being brought to the entity's realm

[@Synnabelle]

I think the entity just applies a pain to the killers that scales with the relative power when they get hit by a pallet or a locker stun, DS etc. Cause nemesis can straight up tank shotgun shells but a pallet makes him reel back? I think the Entity is just acting like a haptic suit that regulates and monitors each killer so they all stay within the rules of the Entities game. If the Onryo isn't actually in the Entities realms and is instead projecting. Perhaps the entity is doing the same back to make sure Sadako doesn't "cheat"

[@painandsuffering7130]

Personally the Leviathan argument convinces me in this one. I think Sadako’s connection to the Entity is matched if not unmatched by Pinhead’s connection to the Leviathan. Then of course you can argue which of these beings is stronger, but I would go with the Leviathan as he practically runs actual hell. Because of that I also don’t think it really matters if Sadako has a physical form in the realm or not, Pinhead’s main job is torturing souls of those he dragged into hell, so I think he has experience with dealing with the dead. Also when it comes to Roberts argument about Sadako manipulating person’s physical form, I don’t think Pinhead’s physical form matters that much. His body has already been broken and mutilated when Leviathan created him, and we saw many times that Leviathan can just reshape the Cenobites however he sees fit so I think whatever she did he would just kinda respawn.

[@thehomelander28]

The spirit vs wesker argument is simple to explain. Spirit is undead and she can be in a different plain of existence. However, she isnt always there and still has a physical body. A body that can be touched and hurt, based on palet stunts etc. Wesker is a superhuman and beats spirit already in all physical aspects like fighting, intelligents, strenght, speed. Yes, wesker cant hurt spirit when she is in the other realm but that doesnt really give her an advantage. He just has to wait until she is physical again. In physical form she has no way to even harm wesker let wlone kill him. Hell, she wouldnt even be fast enough to touch him. And yes she is undead, but u just said beat in a fight. Wesker doesnt need to kill her, he just needs to beat her and in my opinion he is clearly more capable in every aspects in this fight.

[@theARoberts]

This is one of the best explanations I've heard, thanks for sharing! I don't know yet if I'm convinced because Spirit is very fast, granted Wesker is very fast himself. I like that you pointed out what I said about others that Wesker wouldn't have to kill her, just defeat her, so I'll give you that for sure. That said I still think Spirit is fast enough to phase in and out of existence, repeatedly dealing damage to Wesker with her sword (I'm thinking specifically of her mori here). But that said, you have tipped the scales closer for me than I was before.

[@thehomelander28]

@@theARoberts i am glad to hear that ^^ Also i am not sure if spirit could really hurt him with a sword. I mean, he is a B.O.W afterall. Stronger then nemesis and i dont think that nemesis would be hurt in a meaningful way with a sword ^^

[@theARoberts]

That's a fair counterpoint and the mutations would definitely make it more difficult for her to do so. I'll admit, I have not played RE5 yet unfortunately, but doesn't Chris beat Wesker? I'm going off that understanding and assuming that if Chris could do it, Spirit could in theory. If that's incorrect or if there's more to the story that I don't know because I haven't played the game let me know (don't worry about spoiling it for me, I do plan to play it but spoilers don't bother me for a 14 year old game 😂 It's only my fault if I haven't played it by this point)

[@thehomelander28]

@@theARoberts well yes chris and sheeva beat wesker. Tho its honestly more because of plot reason X) Wesker could have killed them both at any time but cause if his ego played around with them. He was killed in the end by melting in an active vulcan and having 2 rocket launchers point blank shot in hus face.

[@warbabyx]

Ngl, wesker died because either the producer, writers or capcom themselves actually dont like him that much.

[@RevolverR0nin]

In RE5, Wesker casually bullet times full automatic fire and catches RPG warheads. He's too fast, neither Spirit nor Dredge are fast enough to touch him, even if they appear outta nowhere and get the drop on him. Spirit definitely has a physical form when she's not phased and can be hurt. If a survivor can pallet stun Spirit and Dredge, Wesker can absolutely take them down.

[@r3tr024]

The moment Wesker try to even hurt dredge by attacking the the black void because that is dredge actually body wesker is getting sucked in there him may be a superHUMAN but he still human

[@RevolverR0nin]

@@r3tr024 They don't call him "The Mastermind" for nothing. Without those limbs, Dredge is about as threatening as as second hand smoke. Pretty sure Wesker would figure that out, too.

[@r3tr024]

@@RevolverR0ninthe smoke is literally the dredge not the limbs and dredge in lore have devoured towns and even if wesker is faster he’s not strong enough to hurt the embodiment of evil

[@horizon8929]

@@r3tr024 that’s Michael

[@bradleyh4534]

@@RevolverR0nin intelligence really doesn’t do much when fighting a black void or a spirit.

[@corvidrose9588]

Dredge does need limbs, BUT they can be anything. The skin where it uses doll parts happens because something deteriorated the flesh of its victims according to the flavor text, so that gives us a pretty good idea of how it would handle Plague! Especially viable on maps like outdoor woods where there's readily available rubbish or sticks, or god forbid on The Game!

[@theARoberts]

That's a great point, I hadn't considered its alternate cosmetics and what that implies. And to be honest, I only argued for Plague because she's my main, after arguing that the Dredge should be Wesker, it was pretty clear that I was just being stubborn with Plague and that the Dredge should absolutely win that 😂

[@toadboy4]

In game, “The” is actually before every killer’s name, so it is actually “The Trapper” or “The Oni”

[@theARoberts]

I appreciate the info! I feel justified now 😂

[@Poldio]

I would like to believe that if Dredge is in a locker, Huntress could just grab him like a hatchet

[@theARoberts]

lol that would be funny to see, but more likely the Dredge would grab her 😅

[@Sheer_Force]

The Dredge has no competition here I'm not gonna lie. It's got a void full of meat slabs. I hear your argument about defeating the limbs but they are really just a point for the trials in dbd to not instantly end. The Dredge devoured a whole town when it became the druanee as just the cloud of smoke and made the limbs out of their corpses. The Dredge just devours things and that's that.

[@theARoberts]

So I'm gonna admit that my bias for Plague drove my thinking there. Dredge absolutely takes her and there's no way it should have lost to Wesker. I agree it's just too powerful. I don't think it could beat Onryo or Pyramid Head, Pinhead is a question to me too. But most of the others, the Dredge should have no problem.

[@Sheer_Force]

@@theARoberts I'd say it would start getting tough around onryo and pinhead aswell but I say it could really survivor until Pyramid Head in an epic climax or some shit and then it dies. No winning there.

[@teomcnasty]

In his cosmetics it says he has to replace them. If you destroy his limbs he has to scavenge for more. As long as you don't let him do that and can defeat him.

[@Sheer_Force]

@@teomcnasty see the problem then is how will you stop an eternal abyss mist blob from using you as it's new limbs

[@ouch9129]

I think a lot of people just-- straight up don't understand Onryo in the slightest. People think she's Samara from The Ring, and people think she's "just some angry ghost" like Spirit. We didn't just get movie Sadako who's insanely strong, we got *Book* Sadako. She's *easily* the strongest killer, without contest. It's very hard to argue that even Pyramid Head would have a sliver of a chance. You'd have to pit Sadako against The Leviathan, Mind Flayer, or Silent Hill itself in order to have a remotely fair fight. She's like an anime character that just keeps getting new forms and powers, where it goes from something simple to being able to blink and delete planets. She can literally manipulate your DNA, create and destroy dimensions, and canonically has made a KZbin channel. Pyramid Head should be quaking in his boots, because even he wouldn't dare challenge the KZbin algorithm.

[@heyitscatx2033]

i completely agree she's the strongest character lore wise

[@adamhogan5442]

Freddy beats her

[@kingmkg1235]

@@adamhogan5442 not true lol

[@adamhogan5442]

@@kingmkg1235 yes it is there's no limit to what he can do in the dream world and has used people like Jason vorhees as a servant and actually even beat Ash Williams the person with plot armour basically as a superpower in a fight

[@theARoberts]

@@adamhogan5442 I would argue though that there is no way Freddy can get Onryo into the dream world because she wouldn't dream, thus his primary strength is useless against here IMO

[@absolutedan9312]

The dredge doesn't necessarily need the appendage because it seems in the folk law version the druani it has a more psychological affect, and the mass itself can indeed physically kill people. However I'm not sure how much they based the dredge on the druani. So I might be wrong

[@theARoberts]

Interesting for sure, I can definitely see that being the case. My poor Plague, her odds just keep getting worse 😂

[@lukebell4738]

"Dredge" is the killer nickname given to the Druani. It's basically a lesser god to the Entity, or maybe even the Entity itself. By itself, it's a ghost that manifests as a dark mist, but it gets power through the aftermath of evil. It gathers dead bodies then uses the various parts to form a body for itself, which it uses to interact with the physical world.

[@foxybatiscool1595]

If we go off of re5 then wesker wins every time because he can dodge literal bullets, he can dodge a sword along with his heightened senses. And you can see spirit become physical, how else would she injure survivors, so wesker would be able to defeat her

[@theARoberts]

I have indeed be won over that Wesker should beat Spirit in this matchup, however, I still maintain he should have lost to the Dredge 😂

[@MysticalWizard101]

Leon is fast enough where he can throw a knife faster than the eye can see. Wesker is faster than Leon so that’s a pretty cool argument for dodging or attacking.

[@misteriousgamers9290]

Oni vs hag as a matchup could actually go either way in my opinion it just depends in what kind off fight we are talking about if killers are allowed to have their setup time before actually going against each other hag would actually would have an upper hand based on her hexes and traps, both her and trapper would actually be a LOT stronger than they actually are, however if this is a gladiator type off fights which based on votes it probably its a no brainer oni wins

[@Sarre_Casme]

The Hag can use hexes to win the fight but that she have to have prep time to summon the Entity or a force like that to help her kill the Oni who's just a human with blood fury but she doesn't have that time she died

[@theARoberts]

I always base my thinking on imagining they're in a normal trial-like environment (just Killer v Killer instead of Killer v Survivor), in other words Hag would have at least until Oni found her to set up her traps, so some measure of set up time.

[@Satiire]

I don't really know much about dbd but hearing your opinions was actually pretty interesting. I like how you have valid points to back your opinion but you're also completely open to the community polls too Great video!

[@theARoberts]

Thanks mate! I appreciate you checking it out even if you don't play much DBD. I love doing these because of the conversation it creates. I do learn a lot from my community too!

[@EmeraldStar0135]

Myers technically can die, as proven in Death Battle vs Jason, it's just really hard to kill him and I think maybe if you give Nurse enough time to figure out how to kill him and she keeps at it then I think she would win, also she is pretty much a ghost or spirit so Myers cant even touch her.

[@serifthegodofinsanity8823]

Well also he had to actively avoid getting his head chopped off by switching masks with the paramedic, he had to do that because that would have killed him.

[@dylfai]

Yeah but this is only ‘78 myers so we don’t know if it’s blumhouse H20 or 456 myers so we don’t know.

[@sapphirethealpha5005]

Death battle didn't prove anything since it is fanmade and so it's cannon And The fact you did not even mention the movie "Halloween Ends" makes me even sadder

[@dylfai]

@@sapphirethealpha5005 True

[@theARoberts]

I've heard so many conflicting things on this. It's almost as if Halloween lore is more complicated than Silent Hill lore! 😂 But thank you for letting me know Myers can technically die, that's helpful.

[@pyrover4148]

I don't know if they changed this for DBD, but Pyramid Head's home lore gives him a crippling weakness, in that he can only manifest to target somebody with intense guilt, and can be instantly defeated if they move past that guilt. Myers in particular should have been the end of him, because his inability to feel anything would leave Pyramid Head incapable of manifesting, as there would be no guilt to form around.

[@Sarre_Casme]

Myers would just ignore his jugement because Evil don't care about being judge

[@theARoberts]

So in true Silent Hill lore, yes, PH only manifests out of James' subconscious guilt and need for punishment. They had to readapt that lore into DBD so that it's no longer dependent upon feelings of guilt but upon the deserving of punishment (at least the way I read it), otherwise it makes no sense for him to be in DBD at all.

[@Sarre_Casme]

@@theARoberts Some survivors feel guilty like Jane and Felix about their father or Meg because she will not be with her mother for her last moments so I think PH take everything that make the survivors guilty and use it to punish them

[@TheTerrorNavigator]

Wesker is a very complicated case in terms of power. If we’re gonna take into account his feats shown in RE5 we already know this man can casually dodge bullets, is extremely agile and has strength comparable to that of tyrant like Nemesis. We can tell that Wesker has similar strength to tyrant because just like the Nemesis, Wesker can fling away rockets that are shot at him even in a weakened state. Also, assuming that Wesker’s strength is greater than that of Chris Redfield than he should be able to push that 30,000 pound boulder with ease. With these feats alone in my opinion Wesker is already more powerful than most of the killers. He’s practically untouchable if he’s focused and has immense strength. The only characters I think that could possibly stand a chance against him are maybe the supernatural ones, since Wesker can’t technically kill them. But I still think he can beat them though. I’d definitely like to know what everyone else thinks about this comment. Happy to post and give my insight!

[@TheTerrorNavigator]

One more thing I want to say is that I believe the Onryo can definitely beat Wesker since all she really has to do is look into his eyes. I don’t think Wesker’s sunglasses can save him from a curse. It’s just not happening. I don’t think pinhead would be able to touch Wesker no matter how many chains he tries to summon. I think Freddy can beat him though, assuming that they’re both in the dream world and Freddy is more powerful than him. Pyramid heads power is very hard to quantify. I personally think Wesker is more powerful but I don’t think he could actually beat Pyramid head since he’s not mortal, he’s literally the concept of penance. So maybe a draw?

[@theARoberts]

I've been convinced that Wesker is definitely a top the list of human and superhuman Killers, but probably would struggle with many of the supernatural ones. I agree he stands a chance against Pinhead, though my vote would still be on Pinhead ultimately. Some of the comments have made me think he could probably outlast Spirit because of his speed and ability to dodge bullets. But I still think he would lose to Dredge, Onryo, and Pyramid Head. Those three are just unstoppable. Wesker is intelligent, fast, and strong, but RE5 proved he's still stoppable.

[@OwlpoAnimations]

@@TheTerrorNavigator I feel like the concept of penance would be very strong against Wesker. Wesker has done a lot of fucked up shit, so Pyramid head 100% wins. Wesker was also brought by the entity, unlike Pinhead who just arrived. I think Pinhead would still win the fight, but it would be close.

[@dyllon5211]

@@OwlpoAnimations that’s interesting! Although I’d argue that Wesker doesn’t seemingly have any repressed guilt for the things he’s done, so does Pyramid Head still have that advantage? My next concern is if Pyramid Head could touch Wesker; PH is heavily hindered by the weight of his head and knife while Wesker can dodge bullets point blank. In SH2, which admittedly isn’t the best demonstration of PH’s feats, James Sunderland can evade his blade with ease. So an argument I’d make is that Pyramid Head’s slow attack against Wesker’s incredible ability to dodge, the only hope Pyramid Head will have is if he can grab Wesker…in which case, it’s a test of strength, which they both have a lot of.

[@OwlpoAnimations]

@@dyllon5211 True, but then it comes down to a battle of wills. PH is essentially immortal, so Wesker would have to out last him instead of kill.

[@reisegger4845]

Another reason why pyramid head is one of the strongest killers is because he is one of the only killers that can actually damage the entity because with his trail ability, if you look back, you can actually see what looks to be the entities flesh.

[@bezel95]

Could someone explain to me Pyramid Head’s dominance? In Silent Hill 2 he is slow and eventually gives up and stabs himself after James survives fighting two of him. PH is a manifestation of James’ shame and guilt, his form based off a painting James saw when he visited Silent Hill on vacation. Now I’ve only played the first four games so I don’t know much about him beyond that, but I really don’t see him as this unstoppable supernatural juggernaut, the only reason he exists is because of James, and James wins in the end. I don’t see how he would be as dominating as people say, because shouldn’t he only pose a threat to James, as PH is his own personal demon? I dunno, please educate me.

[@reisegger4845]

@@bezel95 pretty good point, but this is the dead by daylight universe. The ghost face here is a lot different than the scream ghost face. They’re basically two different universes so you can basically say the same thing for pyramid head.

[@theARoberts]

@@bezel95 Great question, DBD changed his lore to no longer be dependent on James' guilt, or, as I read it, even on feelings of guilt at all. He is slow in SH, but more in a lumbering unstoppable force sort of way. And, as I understand SH2 lore (because I haven't played it myself but I've read up on it) he doesn't give up, James comes to terms with his guilt and Pyramid Head is no longer needed and kills himself. The idea, as I understand, is that the only thing that can defeat Pyramid Head is Pyramid Head himself after he is no longer needed. But within the Entity's realm he's always needed. On top of that, he's likely stronger than the Entity itself, given that he can completely disobey the entity through his cages and secondary mori. Hope that helps. I'm also happy to be corrected by any SH fans if I got any of that wrong.

[@theARoberts]

I never thought about that being the Entity's flesh, interesting. I also didn't mention that he can disobey the Entity, which also suggests he's very, very powerful.

[@chaotix7275]

Yeah ARoberts is right. He didnt give up, he really just wasnt needed. Before the fight James says something along these lines: " I was weak, thats why i needed you, to punish me for my sins. But now its all over, now i know the truth. Its time to end this. "

[@sophiasuper4887]

Nurse vs Myers is literally an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

[@theARoberts]

Definitely would be pretty epic to watch

[@Darkslay3rexe]

I believe that the wesker vs dredge fight is pretty close but wesker doesn’t have any true way to put the dredge down for good. Wesker is smart enough to know he shouldn’t get close so he might abuse his speed to take away his appendages without touching him but wesker does have overexposure to light/darkness due to the viruses modifying his vision. Dredge could just use nightfall to get the jump on him and consume him. Also dredge could (as seen in lore) could hypothetically just turn into a big void around the trial and wesker would have no way to escape the mass.

[@theARoberts]

Those are my thoughts exactly. There's a possibility it just ends in a draw or an endless stalemate. But Wesker cannot defeat the Dredge so if someone has to win then I've gotta vote Dredge. Unless Wesker has endless endurance, the Dredge will eventually catch up and consume him.

[@zatripper6674]

It’s true the Spirit is a ghost. But in order to interact with the world of the living she must become tangible, even if instantaneous. And I’m telling you, the millisecond she manifests near Wesker - whether in front of him or behind - it does not matter. He is too fast and his reflexes are too quick, and even worse he would sense her coming. And he definitely knows of her because he is too smart. He would roundhouse kick her into the void if she ever attempted to attack him.

[@DEGENERATE_MELON]

Thing is that in RE5, it's shown he can be snuck up on even when he knows who he's facing. Chris and Sheva were able to get the jump on him more than once in their fights and were able to overpower him in order to weaken him. If they can do that, then a spirit who can dissipate quickly sure as hell can too.

[@zatripper6674]

@@DEGENERATE_MELON damn they did get him for his foams I forgot about that

[@theARoberts]

I've been won over by Wesker fans that he'd be too fast for her, honestly, even though I contend she's faster than most people are giving her credit for (her cooldown for instance is just for gameplay balancing, because her mori shows she can phase in and out at will with great speed). But I still contend he could not defeat the Dredge.

[@Slice-Of-Senpai]

So on Oni vs Hag, I didn't vote, but I can understand why some people voted hag. Yes she is a thin twigly old... thing. But Oni is essentially just a spirit of pure blood list. Hag before being turned into that thing, had been taught many charms and hexes, and basically let the use of those evil hexes become a part of her. Fist vs fist, Oni destroys. But hag would definitely be more of the sneaky trap type using her hexes and charms. Which, supernatural power is more likely to harm another supernatural being.

[@theARoberts]

That's a totally fair point, thanks for sharing!

[@the_shadowphoenix]

It would come down to the godlike characters like Dredge, Executioner, Onryō, and Pinhead. Then it would be a stalemate. Even then, if we assume Sadako has a physical form (I'm not familiar with Ringu lore), I'm of the view that the Dredge would absolutely win. It's an ancient being that feeds off of evil and dark thoughts, and it can use literally anything for its body. It traverses dimensions and can't die. It wins in this matchup against these four.

[@blackturtlesoul7387]

Honestly... I'm going to agree with you on this. Pyramid head did lose to James Sunderland twice( their first encounter doesn't count). Pinhead... is a demon figure who enjoys inflicting pain and suffering so dredge would have a field day around him and then probably body him. Onryo? I've no idea on her but she's brimming with negative emotions so dredge will be perfectly fine to give her the Maurice(Sorry if this isn't how you spell the horse's name) treatment

[@painandsuffering7130]

I agree with the stalemate. I honestly think the four of them would just give each other side eyes and go their separate ways to hunt humans, because humans are who they are really interested in and they would just find fighting each other pointless. And as all of them are there basically for fun, out of their own volition, the Entity couldn’t force them to do anything they themselves didn’t want.

[@theARoberts]

You're correct that they would be a stalemate technically speaking. But someone has to win. I see the argument for Dredge, and he just won the original characters only tournament which I 100% agree with. However, Pyramid Head is only able to be defeated by himself technically speaking (which happens when he no longer has a purpose) and Onryo is a psychic projection of herself into the Entity's realm via her psychic connection with the Entity itself, which not only means she's incredibly powerful, but also not actually there to be able to be hurt. So she could inflict damage to the Dredge but not receive any herself (this is of course assuming I've interpreted her existence in the realm correctly)

[@MildlydepressedLucario]

For Myers VS Nurse this is how it plays out. Nurse looks around for Michael, Michael hides and stalks the Nurse. Waits for the right time to attack and gets a good slash or stab, rinse and repeat. Or if she finds him first, she blinks to him and attacks him but then goes into fatigue. Michael recovers quickly from the slash and then immediately grabs the Nurse and proceeds to mori her. Fatigue is what gets her killed, or the time it takes to blink away.

[@birdnerd4302]

Have you seen her pallet and wall break animations and pick up animations? And also her mori she can use the force pretty much but I haven’t seen Halloween so I still don’t know how strong Michael is

[@MildlydepressedLucario]

@@birdnerd4302 I can list a small amount of things Michael survived. Being shot 6 times. Being shot in both eyes. Falling multiple stories down. Being run over at the age of like 60 and being fine. Surviving being in a room with a oxygen gas explosion and being engulfed in flames. Getting ganged up on by a bunch of grown men. Getting stabbed multiple times. Getting burned alive again. LITERALLY had a firing squad shoot him ,shotguns, pistols, etc. Getting shot some more. (He gets shot a lot in the series) Getting electrocuted. Getting burned alive again. (He gets burned a lot) So yeah I think he can take some force powers and a bone saw.

[@theARoberts]

This actually makes a ton of sense to me

[@hermitvii5757]

I feel like people are taking in game mechanics to litteraly for characters like Spirit. Sure she can be walked into in game or pallet stunned but that's obv for balancing reasons. Characters like Sadako also can be stunned by pallets despite being spiritual beings. It's also litteraly just her name The Spirit, she's clearly meant to be a ghost. No amount of bullet timing feats or advanced IQ is helping him beat something he can't touch.

[@theARoberts]

I see the point about the pallet stun being for balancing reasons. I've made a similar point before on other scenarios. I think the one thing that might make me think Spirit can be hurt is (if I remember correctly) her pallet stun actually sounds like it hurts her, where Onryo recoils but doesn't sound in pain. Spirit's also able to phase in and out rapidly without cooldown in her mori, so many have pointed out her cooldown as a weakness, but that's clearly just gameplay balancing to me.

[@Brandon_nodnarB]

I’m not super well versed in the lore of DBD and I’ve never played as Hag and I don’t face her often so my thought on Hag v Oni is can the Hag bleed? Cause if not I think the fight against Oni would be much more close since he’d be stuck as just a big strong guy with a sword essentially

[@theARoberts]

So I would say Hag most likely cannot believe, which would be a big nerf to Oni's overall power. However, I still think without his rage mode he greatly overpowers her (unless of course she has unknown hexes that could directly counter Oni's strength)

[@Cinderdragmire666]

Pyramid head the one and only king of brutally killing everyone (Along with my main Myers which still hurts) Tbh though I'm starting to main pyramid head more then Myers at the moment

[@theARoberts]

He's the only one I could see winning this whole thing. I definitely understand what you mean about Myers though, since my main Plague was the very first to be eliminated 😂😅I'm glad you are enjoying Pyramid Head. I want to like playing him, I'm just bad with him so far. Need to spend more time and I'm sure I'll grow to really enjoy it.

[@Cinderdragmire666]

@@theARoberts I get what you mean with pyramid head his power is hard into you get use to it and aim it perfectly Im going through the same thing trying to play oni I cant even use his power right

[@unodos2647]

Idk based on old Tinkerer I think hillbilly would be able to break Trapper’s traps. Plus since he has enduring he’d probably shrug off a bear trap

[@theARoberts]

That's fair. I would still think that the trap would slow him down enough to allow Trapper to get in close at a opportune moment.

[@leonelpreciado147]

I think that the dredge should win because the dredge can teleport to the lockers which means he can't get hurt by any killer if they try to hit him he will teleport to the lockers.

[@theARoberts]

Gameplay-wise, that's a fair argument 😂Lore-wise though, pretty sure they'd just break the lockers apart with whatever weapon giving him nowhere to teleport to.

[@Moghster6969]

To be honest he wins not only because of thst

[@two_blades3950]

the spirit vs wesker weskers glasses are agmentend reality glasses so he can see thermal visages.ghosts are colder than normal so when spirit moves to attack wesker he can just move then hit back

[@theARoberts]

Are they really? I didn't know that (I haven't played RE5 yet unfortunately)

[@bezel95]

The only reason I’d see why people voted Hag over Oni is her magic. She quite literally brought hex magic into the Entity’s realm. Perhaps Hag with her various hexes, illusions and teleportations could run circles around an enraged Oni, but I think he actually stands a better chance without the rage boost. He is a samurai hardened by battle and knows about war tactics and strategy, if he kept a cool head long enough he could probably see right through her illusions and figure out she gets her power from totems.

[@theARoberts]

I think you're spot on here. I'm curious what her non-Survivor oriented hexes could do (I'm assuming she has them lore-wise), but without knowing that for sure I'd still have to go Oni.

[@Demrogeron]

As much as i love wesker there is just no way he BEATS dredge. I get that dredge probably couldn't get him either buy any damage wesker does to the dredge wouldnt actually hurt it. Like even if wesker chops off an arm, that wouldnt hurt the dredge bc the dredge is just the black mist. It would literally just bring the rest of the arm back and replace it with one of it millions of victims' arms. Eventually wesker would have to get exhausted and dredge would get him. And that could make dredge 10x more powerful

[@theARoberts]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Moghster6969]

W

[@leadman7600]

I’m pretty sure because the Myers in dbd is the original Halloween, so he would technically not be unkillable yet because that becomes canon is the 4th or so movie making trickster actually stand a chance

[@theARoberts]

Interesting, I'm learning so much of Halloween lore from y'all. Thanks!

[@CadaverCA]

The "Myers wasn't immortal until the 4th movie" is a very cop-out argument since Myers in the first movie AT LEAST is a super human, while Trickster is man with knife, Myers would absolutely be able to withstand his knives

[@wheelchairsam75]

if the nurse and the spirit got into a fight who would win? they are both ghosts, so i dont know if they could do much to eachother

[@theARoberts]

Great question, I'm pretty sure this was the matchup in my more recent video with only the original Killers. I'd go Spirit, only because Nurse has her fatigue state leaving her open to attack. That said, realistically, because they are both ghosts, it would probably be a draw. But if one had to win I'd vote Spirit.

[@wheelchairsam75]

could the ghost charectors spirit or onryo contend with pyramid head?

[@theARoberts]

I would say for Onryo, yes. She is one of the strongest characters in the game. She has a psychic connection with the Entity and may even just be a psychic projection of herself into the realm through that connection to the Entity. Her way of dealing damage is also supernatural, not physical. Because of this, I think she could contend with PH for the strongest character in the realm (she's either #1 or #2 in my estimation). For Spirit, I would say no. Even though she's supernatural herself, her way of dealing damage is still physical/natural, so I do not think she could take down PH.

[@ProVoiceActor1Dubs]

Me personally I don’t think Sadako or pin head could really beat each other… it’s like a powerful object against an immovable force, as the only thing powerful enough to harm pinhead is the lament configuration and his “god” that runs the realm he is from, whereas sadako is by all extents and purposes “dead” so you can’t kill a ghost, and she can’t really hurt pinhead as he’s on an entirely new level than what she herself goes against…

[@theARoberts]

You're not wrong there. The big 3 (Pinhead, Sadako, and Pyramid Head) are really completely unstoppable. So in reality they would all be at a stalemate. But since someone had to win it I think Onryo had to take out Pinhead IMO

[@Nepu_Nep]

I think the argument behind Spirit vs Wesker is that really neither one could harm each other. While as spirit could never feasibly land a blow on Wesker, Wesker could still theoretically find a way to harm, subdue, or simply outlast spirit. It's a way by attrition, but it ends with Wesker on top 100% of the time

[@theARoberts]

I definitely see your point on that. I would still personally argue Spirit is fast enough to land a blow, but describing it as a war of attrition I would 100% agree with, one in which I can see your point of Wesker outlasting it and finding a way to subdue her.

[@MrLeninMan]

I’m not really too sure just how fast the spirit can move but it would definitely be near impossible for her to hit Wesker, as we’ve seen some of the fastest speeds Wesker has gone at, he is able to move so fast that it seems like he is teleporting. For reference, take a look at the cutscene in RE5 where Jill and Chris confront Wesker at the Spencer mansion, he seemingly teleports from one side of the room to the other to dodge their bullets

[@Killinsworth]

Yeah, while wesker has no supernatural way of damaging her (Though the resident evil series has given some of the viruses some supernatural abilities, just with a very fake-sciency way), Spirit has no way of damaging Wesker, with his speed of both dodging and reaction being good enough for bullets fired from trained soldiers.

[@juanpineda8698]

Don't forget he has shown in the series he can regenerate, and she doesn't have any supernatural way to prevent that either. A sword going very fast can't do as much damage as an rpg shot to the face which he's shown to easily shrug off during his fight with Chris and Sheva, or even hit him since he's able to dodge bullets.

[@Kizen.]

There are several characters with bonds with the entity. Ghost Face is specifically stated as The Entity's favorite.

[@theARoberts]

Does it say that in Ghost Face's lore or is that in a Tome somewhere?

[@Kizen.]

@@theARoberts Dev statement, his wraps floating due to the Entity, and Thrilling Tremors. I believe there was other things too, during a tome.

[@carl9472]

Please 😭 why does Wesker beat dredge? Wesker can't infect a fart cloud with uroborus nor stab him with his goofy knife. While yes he has the super speed to evade dredge and it's teleportation neither of them will tire out as they're both forces of nature. If anything I don't think either of them should win unless dredge somehow gets the drop on Wesker who doesn't know if it's speed in teleporting

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, I've been convinced by Wesker fans he should beat Spirit since posting this... but I'm still not convinced he'd beat the Dredge. He could escape the Dredge if that were an option, but not beat it. Since we can't have a tie, Dredge has to win for me.

[@Johnsbigwick797]

​@@theARoberts I'm about to convince you that Wesker beats dredge........ya ready.......... He jams his fist in the ground and his tentacles come up underneath dredge and annihilate the appendages. But ofcourse dredge actually does win, I'm just trying to make an argument for why Wesker could win

[@haydenbean4408]

Can you do this same video but with the survivors

[@theARoberts]

Sure thing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqHOfZSue9N3fbM

[@TwiceCrispy]

Some of these matchups were definitely a popularity contest 😅 Spirit loses to Wesker??? I THINK NOT

[@theARoberts]

I know right?! I'm excited to see your video on this topic!!

[@isthisreallynecessary]

I thought he would say, "Hey everyone, my name is Markiplier"

[@theARoberts]

But... it's not

[@fed3758]

For dredge vs wesker, couldn't wesker simply infect the dredge since it's essetially made from flesh and blood from various things?

[@theARoberts]

Maybe the appendages, but not the Dredge itself. The Dredge is technically that black cloud mass.

[@fed3758]

@theARoberts trus But it's power comes from the flesh it's consumed So couldn't it overall be corrupted or infected? Since the ouroborus has a mind of its own Or something like that

[@Moghster6969]

Dredge is actualy black fog/god like creature. How exacly some random city level freak could beat him

[@fed3758]

@@Moghster6969 corruption Technically speaking you could infect dredge since he gets power from flesh

[@Moghster6969]

@@fed3758 no, he doesn't. He's power comes from bad thought with wesker has a lot btw. He grabbed these body parts only to be more physical i guess?

[@wheelchairsam75]

alright, since the exenomorph and the singularity is in the game now, who wins in that fight? I vote the singularity, because of the fact that the singularity could be smarter, but at the same time, the exenomorph has better stealth.

[@theARoberts]

Great question, I also go Singularity because of its intelligence and adaptation abilities, but I don't think it would be without a pretty severe fight. The Xeno also is highly intelligent and able to adapt as well, so I'm confident it would cause a lot of damage to Hux along the way.

[@Johnsbigwick797]

Singularity would win but he talks too much.

[@CardboardBoxGod]

*How would Wesker beat a ghost?* Someone hasn’t fought Wesker in MvC3 O -O’

[@theARoberts]

Nope, fill me in?

[@CardboardBoxGod]

@@theARobertsIt was more of a meme response but he’s really oppressive both in game and story wise, unironically beating up Comic Book villains and heroes to further his experiments

[@milopaso2151]

Well, Wesker has the dodgin abilities of Neo from the matrix but multiplied by 4. And even if you somehow hit him, uroburos could make him take the hit, and even if you manage to actually damage him he can probably regenerate. (That last part im not 100% sure about)

[@theARoberts]

So I'll concede after further thinking that Wesker stands a good chance against Spirit. I still have yet to be convinced he'd be able to beat the embodiment of the darkest thoughts come to life.

[@milopaso2151]

@@theARoberts yeah he loses to dredge no doubt

[@swannbenziane7880]

If your only argument for Wesker vs spirit is she is a ghost then why shouldn't the pinnacle of human evolution a dude so fast he doges point blank rockets and so resistant he can fight while in lava beat her. And if you think dredge needs to hurt someone before putting them in the black smoke then how do you think he can hurt Wesker ?

[@theARoberts]

My thinking behind Spirit v Wesker was more she can't be killed, he can. But Wesker fans have convinced me that there's really no way for her to be fast enough to hit him, so I've been more or less won over to the Wesker wins side. Not sure I'd say now that Dredge needs to hurt them first to absorb them (gameplay yes, lore no) but I honestly can't remember what I said in the video (it's been a while, I know 😅) But I do still maintain there's no way for Wesker to beat Dredge and that it would eventually catch up with him and consume him.

[@weskintime4177]

Using the scaling from the versions of each character in the game (not composite) the winner is Dredge as he draws power from an entire extra dimensional space. Next is Myers as he has the first three movies and (based off the Laurie costume) the new trilogy. Third is Freddy, followed by Wesker, then Nemesis, then Pyramidhead, then Pinhead, then Oni, then Knight, Huntress, Trapper, Plague, Artist, Hag, Bubba, Blight, Demogorgon, Hillbilly, Doctor, Trickster, Spirit, Twins, Wraith, Nurse, Slinger, Legion, Pig, Ghostface, and Clown. Spirit is weak as hell as she can be stunned by pallets meaning she is not immune to damage. Using composite the only killers that matter are Pinhead, Freddy, Michael, Dredge, and Ghostface. Mostly using scaling from their own series and crossovers (which is how Ghostface > 2/3 roster when composite, thank you CoD Black Ops Cold War for fucking the scaling). Pinhead in his own realm in the comics is just outright universal and same with Freddy (Necronomicon absorbed). Myers in the comics is unable to truly die as he can posses other people turning them into the Shape (Halloween 3 comic where Laurie killed him), Dredge has that whole dimension powering him and Ghostface would have all the CoD shit.

[@theARoberts]

So I'll be honest, I have no idea how you're computing all of that. I've heard of this method before, but I do not understand it.

[@acousticks526]

I think you forgot about Sadako

[@ThatWannabeMusician]

For the Dredge-appendage comment, the Frosty The Nightmare skin implies that the Dredge can manifest a physical anatomy from the darkness of others.

[@theARoberts]

Thanks for that info! Great point!

[@DomIsDomb]

One thing I don't agree on is your argument for Blight vs Legion, Blight destroys one legion memeber I get that, but we don't know how Blight captured all of the Legion, he could've just waited till they were all alone, to take them one by one, which he can easily do. I don't know if Blight has a lot of intelligence, but he did capture other killers, so I guess he is smart enough to know that he could possibly be stopped if he tries to capture all of them at once.

[@theARoberts]

Thank you for voicing your disagreement. I see your point that just because he clearly merged them all, he still could have "beaten" them 1 v 1 one at a time. Valid point.

[@deaconbowley1728]

ok so with the wesker and spirit, i’m thinking if he infects spirit with orous borous, therefore she loses the abnormal speed, maybe this has an impact

[@theARoberts]

If he can, then that's a good argument for Wesker. But, I have strong doubts if he can since she is spirit.

[@Sinrix]

For power scaling beings for killers, Pyramid head is some fucked construct being more so a protector but his lore is nuts, pyramid head would definitely be 2nd most powerful being a literal demon however i could see him winning due to the fact if he is this by choice that means the other cenobites could invade and also partake in combating pyramid head, demons vs a construct would be an interesting concept, onryo is probably the 3rd strongest imo simply due to her being a ghost virus psychic but loses to pinhead just because he literally counters her, would give wesker 4th simply due to his strength speed stamina intelligence and powers, then i’d say dredge or plague, i do believe plague could infect dredge and melt the limbs that it would use to move however killing dredge is impossible since it’s fog but incapacitate imo is winning which is why i think plague should win and why wesker would defeat dredge because wesker could infect the limbs and maybe even forcing it to obey him

[@theARoberts]

I do appreciate your thought process in all of this. I'm not sure I'm with you just yet that the other cenobites could invade the Entity's realm. Also, how do you think Pinhead counters Onryo? Not arguing, just curious because I see it the exact opposite and I'd love to know more. I've definitely grown in my appreciation for Wesker's strength as I've engaged people in the comments. Sadly, RE5 is one of the few RE games I haven't played (ironically most of the DBD RE crossovers are the ones I haven't played LOL, aside from RE2 RM, so I feel like I say that a lot even though I have played a majority of the mainline RE's). I appreciate you backing up my main Plague 😎

[@OwlpoAnimations]

@@theARoberts Well didn’t Pinhead simply bring himself. The entity didn’t bring him, it may have brought the box, but Pinhead chose to follow it. If one Cenobite can follow, I think it’s fair to assume the others can.

[@zaideglover5749]

I’m commenting as I go here( 2nd comment) I believe huntress was nerfed by the entity?? Because in her lore/ trailer she is able to punch through an armoured solider ??? Or am I wrong???

[@theARoberts]

So I do believe the explanation for why some Killers aren't as strong is that the Entity has nerfed them (Nemesis being a prime example) but I'd probably argue that she's been buffed because she can break pallets like they are nothing. I don't remember her punching through an armored soldier (but that may just be that I don't remember it) but I do remember her ripping out a soldiers throat, so she is incredibly strong and brutal pre-realm.

[@The13thElysium]

Very cool idea! I do agree that The Plague could have done better - if she infects any of the others they would be done for but then it begs the question could she even make some characters sick like The Spirit?

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, I think you're on point there, I don't think Plague could do much against the more spiritual characters, unless she had her corrupt purge, then she may stand a better chance.

[@The13thElysium]

@@theARoberts yeah guess the spirit like characters would have to have a physical form to inflict damage so in return she could hurt them with her purge haha

[@Jack_Ingoff]

If dredge made it to the final round,who do you think would have won Dredge or pyramid head

[@theARoberts]

I'd still go Pyramid Head personally, but I could be convinced otherwise. Dredge is probably the only one on the original roster that I think could go against the big three licenses (Pyramid Head, Pinhead, and Onryo) and stand a chance. I mean truly, it probably ends in a stalemate. What would you say?

[@Jack_Ingoff]

@@theARoberts I 100% agree

[@Moghster6969]

Pyramid head probably but im not 100% sure

[@okpo9170]

The Myers vs ph it would actually most likely go ethier way ph is a judge of one’s guilt is how he gets his power so what power would he get from incarnations of evil with not regrets

[@theARoberts]

So true SH Pyramid Head I 100% agree with you. That's said, they changed him slightly for DBD and as I understand his DBD lore, he's no longer dependent upon feelings of guilt to dispense his punishment. Let me know if you read it differently, I'm always interested in other views on the lore.

[@sibsart2039]

I want to know what it would be like if we ever saw any of the killers fight. My personal most wanted fight is Knight and Oni. Yes there are 4 knights but watching them fighting an enraged Oni would be badass. Maybe in the movie we can see some of that.

[@theARoberts]

There are some really cool potential match ups. I doubt we'll see the Killers fight in the movie, but it would be cool if that one happened

[@sibsart2039]

@@theARoberts Perhaps a trailer where we see them fighting, and then a third new killer shows up and puts his two cents in. Like if we ever get a for honor collar, we can see the knight and Oni fighting, then a Viking killer shows up. Something like that.

[@sibsart2039]

Collab*

[@Collosus]

Ok since I love discussions revolving around who is stronger in lore (powerscaling for short) I will go trough each matchup and say if I agree, and if I disagree I am going to give my reasoning. Also I dont have all the information about the characters here so please correct me if there was some wrong information here. Round 1: 1. We dont really know the speed of either Dredge or Wraith so I assume they are equal speed. That means Dredge just has to hit Wraith a few times and its a pretty quick match. 2. - 5. Agreed 6. In the realm of powerscaling its usually a rule that the opponents have to at least be able to interact with each other (unless we talk about characters that are dimensionally higher but that will come later) so that a super powerful being doesnt get defeated by a regular ghost just because it cant be interacted with, because then machups will become lame. This rule is called verse equalization and if you apply it then Wesker wins. But its your video so its up to you since its your video your rules. 7. If it takes place in the Entitys realm then there are way too many hiding spots for Ghostface to just sit and wait for the perfect opportunity to strike. If its an open field then it can go either way ( would be more towards twins) but if you really want for Ghostface to win, we can take some feats from the new Scream movie trailer where he is shown to be able to dodge shotgun shells at a close to medium range. So with that reaction speed he is the clear winner. 8. Agreed with the result but not with your reasoning. Blighted skins are only cosmetics with no lore implications so to use that into the argument, while also saying that other characters beat Blight even if they themselves have the same skins seems a bit contradictory to me. But yeah Blight is mutated so he is either faster or stronger then peak humans or maybe even both. Combine that with his abilities and normal humans with knives stand no chance. 9. Agreed 10. You just found a new type of overkill with that matchup 💀 11. Agreed. Since its the layout of the Entity there are too many spots to put up traps. 12. Agreed. 13. Overkill again 💀 Round 2: 1. The same with 6. 2. Now if Weskers mutated arm can somehow withstand Dredges effect then he could just continuously use that until Dredge cant fight anymore. However that is a big if and even then we dont know the full extend of Dredges powers. 3. - 9. Agreed Round 3: 1. Agreed 2. Removing survivors or himself from the realm cant really lead us anywhere since that is basically teleportation. The same with Onryo. Now if ,,de manifesting ,, can effect the laws of physics or any other law of the universe then that easily makes her the most powerful character in the game, but there is to little information on that to speculate that far. Anyway this could go either way. (After further research she does not have any law manipulation powers. 3. Agreed 4. Since there are so many types of immortality in fiction people started to divide them into types for these kinds of arguments. We see that he is immune to stuff like temperature, bullets, poison and so on but someone like Pyramid Head that can warp reality should not have that big of a problem. (Side not after checking the wiki for Pyramidhead he has type 1,2 and 8 of immortality so yeah this is an easy machup). Round 4: 1-2. Agreed Final and Bonus round: Agreed Some things to add: So I searched about Onryo and Piramidhead and I found out they are so called ,,wall level,, so in the grand scheme of things, not as powerful as I thought. With all that being said all I see here are Luffy victims. If you know the character you know why I am saying that.

[@Collosus]

Wow that was a handful to write.

[@theARoberts]

Love the detail and thought you put into this comment, thank your sharing all of that. Love seeing your thought process and explanations on it. A couple things I'd add in response, Wraith v Dredge, Wraith is technically faster than Dredge, base speed in game they are the same, but cloaked Wraith moves even faster. Regarding Ghost Face and Twins, it is in the Entity's realm, which does have some open fields, but a lot of hiding spots too. Ghost Face is also an original character to DBD (i.e. not the same from the Scream movies). They licensed the mask, not the movie. Regarding Blight, skins actually do contain lore bits in this game. Some questions remain on what is canon or just for fun. DBD is multiversal as well, so skins can work within lore that way. All that to say, there is some lore to be pulled from the blighted skins. Fun theory about Onryo, she may not even be in the realm at all, she's very possibly just a psychic projection of herself into the realm through her psychic connection with the Entity. All in all, great conversation mate, really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out. Happy to chat more in the Discord as well.

[@Collosus]

@@theARoberts That is an excellent response. Honestly I didn't expect you reading the whole comment since I wrote so much. But the fact you did and gave such a concrete response makes me happy. I do have something new to ask though. Since blighted skins are part of a larger multiverse, doesn't it mean we should specify which versions of the character we are talking about? It is actually a big issue in stuff like superhero comics because of the absurd amount of transformations and power ups they get. Anyway this was a really engaging conversations and would be lovely to talk in discord about topics like this. We could even try to make the fairest machups between DBD characters, and characters from other video games or media like movies and anime.

[@Moghster6969]

To be honest you don't even need to know full dredge's power to proove that he s$%ts out wesker 1.Like what wesker would do if litteratly black fog just soak him into it 2. Diffrently how does wesker gonna darmage dredge. Of course he can destroy that mass of bodies but i just can't see him destroying litteratly fog 3. This might be L take, but dredge takes his power from bad thoughts and overall he's just embodiment of evil, so i only can imagine how powerfull he would become in litteratly weskers presence (Pls respond, bec I think that we can have such a nice duscussion here)

[@YJL186]

anyone saying wesker wins against spirit is just lowkey biased tbh. spirit literally cannot be harmed by wesker, she should have progressed to the next round for sure. dredge also would have swallowed him whole.

[@theARoberts]

I've been won over on the Spirit fight because of Wesker's speed, but still think he 100% should have lost to the Dredge.

[@wheelchairsam75]

the fight of onryo and freddy depends where it is at, if it isnt in the entitys realm, then itll be even, if it is in the entity real, then freddy is dead

[@theARoberts]

Agreed that the venue would have an effect, however, I viewed this as happening within the Entity's realm, so my vote is Onryo. Also, Onryo is a psychic projection of herself, so even in Freddy's dream world I think she'd have the upper hand, because that would mean she's already in his mind to enter the dream world at all (at least I would think this is how it would go based on what I know about her)

[@Kingevil8245]

the claws in the mori are a part of the dredge i think

[@theARoberts]

Possible, honestly hard to say what is definitely the Dredge itself and what is the Dredge manifesting via the remains of it's victims. I know the black mass is the core part of the Dredge.

[@Kingevil8245]

I did more research and learned that the dredge feeds of dark thoughts and it therefore can change the core part of itself in size. In the entity's realm there are a lot of dark thoughts.

[@ShrimpleValue]

Spirit watching wesker dodge bullets in canon: 🥶

[@theARoberts]

lol that's fair

[@NicxCoay]

I feel like Deathslinger actually has a really good chance of beating Nemesis. Caleb is incredibly smart and resourceful, so I think that, like Jill, he could simply outsmart and outlast Nemesis if he had to.

[@el_catto_uwu]

No. ;v

[@CattyilyTV]

Jill was only to take down Nemesis because she's STARS + she had a giant fcking laser beam rifle from the lab to assist her with finally killing Nemesis

[@umwhatth-2804]

@@CattyilyTV it was the nuke that finally got him the rail gun kinda just incapacitated him

[@AgentSmith939]

If Deathslinger had a nuke. Yes. With his speargun. No.

[@NicxCoay]

@@AgentSmith939 I mean, if he can make a spear gun, I was kind of assuming he could make more weapons. Also, DBD Nemesis isn’t as big or powerful as the real, RE Nemesis. I’m just saying Caleb has a chance.

[@Blockzify]

I haven't even watched the video yet, and I already know it's going to be onryo

[@thehomelander28]

I think pyramid head takes the crown

[@adamhogan5442]

@@thehomelander28 na freddy does especially now that entity let's him pull survivors into the dream world

[@theARoberts]

@@adamhogan5442 There are at least 3 I would say are stronger than Freddy lore wise, unfortunately Freddy went against one of those 3 in round 1, and the community agreed, so we never really got to see what he was capable of.

[@theARoberts]

There are two I would argue are the most powerful in the realm, Onryo is one of them.

[@adamhogan5442]

@@theARoberts tbh I can kinda get what they mean but the directors have even said we've never seen freddys full power in the dream world closest we got was freddy V Jason where he turned red and litterly became a dream demon and was in the process of murdering Jason who is immortal yet freddy was still killing but I can see what other people mean onryo is a confusing one since she's technically a type of ghost so it's un known how much of freddys abilities would work but similarly I don't think to many of hers would work on him I'd personally give the edge to freddy due to him being more versatile but both are basically unstoppable

[@peterpotts7482]

If you factor in lore and not just in game mechanics, the Hag is probably the best character to go against Oni out of the entire cast. The Hag is a witch, before she became a cannibal she was learned in protective charms and other spell work. She was the first character to introduce hex perks so we can also gather she knows how to make them. Oni, being a demon, would make him vulnerable to being banished, warded off or cast out by the hags magic. It's the physical plane killers like huntress and hillbilly that would make short work of the hag. I think she takes it against the likes of Oni or Spirit.

[@bezel95]

Oni isn’t even a demon, he’s just a very angry human. Frankly I think Oni would do better against Hag when NOT in rage mode so he could think more strategically when fighting around her hex magic, illusions and teleportations.

[@theARoberts]

Definitely an interesting take and I have been convinced since posting that I underestimated Hag in that fight. That said, Oni isn't a true Oni from what I understand, but rather the Entity's interpretation of an Oni based on Kazan's hated nickname, in order to keep him angry. So he's actually less supernatural than a true Oni. But, that said, Hag's hexes could still be very formidable if she has more (which I definitely assume she does) than the Survivor oriented ones in game.

[@bezel95]

Could someone explain to me Pyramid Head’s dominance? In Silent Hill 2 he is slow and eventually gives up and stabs himself after James survives fighting two of him. PH is a manifestation of James’ shame and guilt, his form based off a painting James saw when he visited Silent Hill on vacation. Now I’ve only played the first four games so I don’t know much about him beyond that, but I really don’t see him as this unstoppable supernatural juggernaut, the only reason he exists is because of James, and James wins in the end. I don’t see how he would be as dominating as people say, because shouldn’t he only pose a threat to James, as PH is his own personal demon? I dunno, please educate me.

[@theARoberts]

Great question! You are correct that OG Silent Hill lore makes Pyramid Head a manifestation of James' subconscious guilt and felt need for punishment. Once James faces that and comes to terms with those emotions, Pyramid Head is no longer needed and kills himself. That said, DBD altered his lore slightly so that he is given new purpose by the Entity and his existence is no longer dependent upon feelings of guilt. Because it's inferred that the only thing that can kill Pyramid Head is Pyramid Head, he's viewed as completely unstoppable as a result.

[@liasbreen2318]

How would spirit EVER kill or even land a blow against Wesker @ARoberts.

[@theARoberts]

So I've been convinced that Wesker would probably beat Spirit, but still don't think he stands a chance against Dredge, well, maybe a chance, but not much of one.

[@filip7011]

Blight did escape the void aka the place where the killers and surv get put once the entity has had enough of them also he has taged most of the killers

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, I need to read up on my Blight lore, I'll admit that. I also acknowledge that he's gotten some of the stronger Killers with his serum, however, I would make the argument that it doesn't mean he beat them all. For instance, Wesker wanted to be injected to see how it would interact with the Uroboros virus. Someone like Pyramid Head he would just need to rush in, inject, and rush out before being caught. In those cases he honestly just probably made them stronger than they were. Those are my thoughts at least.

[@thebeepman6059]

I don’t remember it specifically, but from what I understand Ghostface also has the Entity’s favour, his method of killing with stealth and stalking is something it agrees with and is best for extracting hope and feeding the Entity, and unlike Myers and Pig he doesn’t bend the rules of the trial in any manner, and is also one of the killers most willing to stay in the Entity’s realm. Unlike the Twins, who only stay there so Victor and Charlotte can stay together. His cloak flapping is also directly from the Entity’s constant influence I believe. He doesn’t beat a majority of the killers due to pure physical skills difference, but I can atleast see him beating the twins lol, especially since while separate they’re one of the most vulnerable killers to exploit getting the drop on, which Ghostface is also going to be able to cause in the first place by potentially luring Victor away by vanishing into the shadows.

[@theARoberts]

These are all great points. I still need to read up on GF's lore more myself. I knew there was something about him having the Entity's attention because of the floating robes

[@wheelchairsam75]

i think a good matchup would be the blight vs the demegorgon, because the blight has restrained and injected most of the killers with the blight, like the oni or nemesis, so he could fare well against demegorgon, but blight still doesnt have a super effective way to injure the demegorgon

[@theARoberts]

That would be a fascinating matchup!

[@demondanimations577]

Myers would be a extremely powerful being but he's so weak because at the end of the day he's still a human:(

[@theARoberts]

My understanding from those who have seen the movies is that he's somewhat supernatural though, no?

[@demondanimations577]

Yes he survived a lot of things through out the movies but the only thing that kept holding him back was his old age. He got too old to the point where he was barely even able to get a kill

[@demondanimations577]

But the Michael in dbd is from the first movie I believe so he is still power but his kitchen knife ain't doing nothing to the supernatural killers

[@giannismith5041]

@@demondanimations577 He’s the incarnation of evil

[@JellyJoker4]

Wesker just needs a vacuum cleaner to agiesnt spirit

[@theARoberts]

Lol 😆

[@Moghster6969]

Fr

[@owenc7145]

what does dredge do to wesker tho he definitely couldn't land a hit

[@asuraofwrath]

absorbtion or its just a draw but dredge has a win condition wesker dosnt

[@theARoberts]

Outlast and consume basically. Wesker is superhuman for sure, but Dredge is supernatural, eventually Dredge overcomes him I believe

[@jameskelso2435]

I'd say a safe choice could be pyramid head over onryo But a more in depth choice could also be onryo vs pyramid head it could honestly go either way

[@theARoberts]

After much reflection, I still ultimately vote Pyramid Head, but Onryo is a very, very close second and I could maybe be convinced she'd win it all too. Realistically though, it's going to be an eternal tie most likely.

[@sheipi9978]

I mean, you said it yourself. They don't have to kill them, just beat them, And we know that spirit is able to be touched so i think Wesker could absolutley beat her He's not touching dredge

[@theARoberts]

I've been won over and agree with this on both. He could beat Spirit. He can't beat Dredge.

[@Moghster6969]

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[@WeaselArlington]

If we are doing movie lore than the cenobite is the strongest Since the only way to kill or defeat a cenobite is another cenobite But if dbd lore than I see why he would lose some Also if knight is a match it would be more difficult since he has 3 ghost guards and if oni or spirit fought knight knight could win since ghost vs ghost because of his 3 guards

[@theARoberts]

I'm doing my best to think of this from the perspective of source material lore + DBD lore (with probably an emphasis on the DBD side given I concievedof this happening in the Entity's realm). Thus the most powerful being in its own universe may no longer be so in the Entity's realm. I would totally conceded Pinhead is safe in his own universe, but in this case I think he's at least slightly less powerful than Onryo or Pyramid Head. That's at least where my head is at right now. And 100% agree, Knight only lost so badly because he had to go against Pyramid Head. Against any of the human characters, even some of the more supernatural ones he and his crew would stand a much better chance and no doubt win some.

[@WeaselArlington]

@@theARoberts thank you for agreeing with me on knight but I see your point on cenobite

[@cathemeraltheenby6840]

I'm sorry but There is NO way that Hag is taken out that early, especially by Oni. Hag is in the Top 5 most powerful killers, if interested then have a good read of my little rant... Note, I will talk about perks in this but not from the gameplay perspective but rather from their description. 1. Totems and Perks Hag is the owner of the totems in the trial. Not the Entity.No other killer is powerful enough to alter the entity's realm in the way Hag has. Lore-wise this is because her family lived in an area where magic, in particular luck magic, was commonly practised, making the Hag more supernatural than most of the other killers, especially the human ones (only ghostface may be an exception as he has the entity's favour). Oni has his own totem perk, but against Hag it wouldn't work. Blood Echo causes his victim's suffering to be inflicted on others. Hag, however has Devour Hope, the description"a hex rooting it's power on hope.the false hope of survivors ignites your hunger" meaning the longer the fight with Oni goes on, the more powerful Hag becomes. Ruin's quote says "a curse is upon you, it will be your ruin" meaning Oni has already been weakened going into the fight , he is NOT at his full power. Third seal inflicts blindness, but blindness in DbD just takes away aura reading so in this scenario let's assume that Oni's vision is impaired. Oni has Nemesis which would just make him more angry in this fight, and Zanshin Tactics, which has the quote "within your enemy's strength is weakness". However, this won't help as Oni's hope is made to become HIS weakness. Not to mention the curse Hag's ruin has put on him. And anyway, Zanshin Tactics is more of an analytical ability to detect weakness rather than a magical curse, which Hag has plenty of. 2.L ore As mentioned before, Hag, her family and village is deeply ingrained with magical power. The Oni, however, was only a samurai. A very skilled samurai with a questionable sense of honour, but a sword wielding psychopath nonetheless. Upon being killed by a village mob and taken by the entity, the Oni received his magical connection to his victim's blood. The Hag, however, had her innate ability amplified. Now, reading the in-game lore makes the Hag sound around 15 but BHVR confirmed that all characters are 18+, so Hag may instead be an 18 yr old magical student. Despite this Hag is still far more powerful than Oni, from a lore perspective as Oni's power still had to be gifted to him by the entity. 3. Power and add-ons Oni's power is very strong, but with one massive downside: it has to be charged up with his victim's blood. Hag was slowly eaten alive by her cannibal captors and it is largely presumed that she is dead. As such she has no blood to power Oni up. From here it is no longer Hag Vs Oni, it is teleporting Corpse Witch Vs Samurai Ghost with no power. When we introduce add-ons the Oni STILL has no advantage as his add-ons still require blood. Hag's add-ons can give her multiple advantages, for example Rusty Shackles - gives the Hag an opportunity for a surprise attack. Waterlogged Shoe - makes the Hag faster and the triggerer slower, which seems to be bad for a samurai don't you think? Scarred Hand - turns the Hag's mud phantasms from portals into decoys, Oni can't beat Hag if he doesn't know which is which Mint Rag - Hag can teleport at will, meaning the Oni will never get a single hit on her. That was a bit long but hopefully you can see how Hag is far, far, far more powerful than Oni in particular and the majority of the other killers in general. Definitely in the top 5 most powerful. Her perks weakens her opponents and makes her stronger and she can use her add-ons to drastically change her ability when some tweaks are required.

[@theARoberts]

I love the sheer amount of thought that you put into this one. Definitely makes a great case for Hag for sure. Thank you for this.

[@tylerainsworth4542]

Wraith vs Pinhead i mean could pin head even see him before it was too late?

[@theARoberts]

Well, Wraith can't attack while cloaked and Pinhead is much stronger and more supernatural. There's no way I believe Wraith could take him down honestly.

[@Sinrix]

Okay idk if you know just how fast wesker actually is, play re5 you’ll actually feel just how impossibly impossible it is to defeat this guy, it’s not just oh he is a zoomie boy dash, he is like neo from the matrix fast lmao even and in order for spirit to hurt wesker she needs to manifest which gives him the edge to simply incapacitate her, i doubt he’d play around with some undead creature since re is just undead creatures and viruses and doesn’t give them a second thought, i’d say he speed blitzes her when she manifests and incapacitates her by ripping or cutting her limbs apart including her head, she can live forever all she wants, she’s not going to do much without limbs or a head

[@theARoberts]

So I've been convinced Wesker stands a much better chance against Spirit than I gave him in the video, and if he could find a way to outlast/defeat her he'd probably win. She can be stunned by a pallet, so in some sense while manifested Wesker should be able to hurt her. Not sure he could cut her apart since she's literally already cut apart and still floating together, so that may not work in my estimation, but it would also be incredibly hard for her to be fast enough for him not to just dodge all her attacks. So I've been swayed significantly closer to voting Wesker.

[@Moghster6969]

How about dredge mach?

[@wackypenguin94]

The question that remains is, is their actual lore, lore accurate? Or dbd lore accurate? Because those have 2 huge different meanings

[@theARoberts]

Very, very true. I'm operating on assuming the original licensed lore is accurate, unless their DBD lore modifies it. A good example is Pyramid Head. His original lore makes his presence in the Entity's realm make no sense and impossible, however, he's been modified via his DBD lore to work.

[@noahmeier6825]

Wesker beats plague and dredge beats them both is the order of those guys from rounds 1 and 2

[@theARoberts]

I would say Wesker beats Plague, Dredge beats Wesker, so inherently I'm wrong about Plague being able to beat the Dredge, I admit 😂

[@noahmeier6825]

@@theARoberts wesker is my main but tbh I don’t think he could really win against dredge since dredge is probably won’t be affected by being punched or stabbed or infected with uroborus due to being just a mass of dead people and stuff, but then the question is how long would it take for dredge to hit wesker with his ability to dodge stuff like bullets?

[@nicholasparrett6098]

If you can pallet stun spirit, then that must mean she’s not untouchable 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, that's the tricky question, is the fact she can be stunned for lore or for gameplay consistency?

[@uncleshagworthy]

Pig Vs Leigon would be cool

[@theARoberts]

There are a lot of cool matchups I could have made tbh. I did think about making a whole series of 1v1 scenarios, but ended up scrapping it because I didn't think enough people would want to watch it.

[@uncleshagworthy]

@@theARoberts they would trust

[@jake120007]

funny bit of trivia Ogres like the Oni and Pyramid head are not so different in terms of power and origin as Onis also reside in the spirit world, and lore wise as long as an oni has its kanabo it is undefeatable, and based on that i would say that pyramid head and Oni are evenly matched if not oni-sided in beating down everyone else in the game.

[@theARoberts]

I definitely see your point. That said, my understanding is that the Oni is not actually a true Oni of lore, but rather the Entity's interpretation of an Oni based on the nickname that Kazan hated in order to keep him angry. So in that case, I don't think he's as powerful as Pyramid Head.

[@noahcarver6133]

The is in front of every killer name in dbd. The Nurse, The Shape(Micheal), The trapper.

[@theARoberts]

I appreciate you helping me out there!

[@rustyy674]

Honestly i could see nemisis beating most of the killers as multiple times nemisis has tanked multiple super strong attacks such and point blank bombs aswell as having multiple forms which both are extremely tanky especially since that it takes multiple super high powered railgun shots to kill final form nemisis

[@theARoberts]

I can't remember what I said back then, but I would agree that Nemesis could take on all the humans and most of the mutant/monster Killers. But when it comes to the supernatural ones, I think he would struggle with a lot of them.

[@marisdotter]

Oni VS Hag is the one I disagree on the most. Due to the fight being, Big guy with stick VS Immortal Swamp Witch with actual MAGIC. I don't see how even a skilled master fighter like Oni could handle magic super powers

[@theARoberts]

That's fair, perhaps I underestimated her abilities

[@rodrigovianna7257]

In my opinion, the huntress and even the trickster have a big chance of killing myers. Because both of them are ranged killers and since myers is so slow (in the movies) if those killers kept their distance and keep attacking him from afar, they would eventually kill him. (And pls don’t comment saying “he is the face or evil” or whatever because that doesn’t do anything and don’t change a thing

[@kratosfc6139]

They would just put him in a recharge period, no amount of hatches or knifes can "kill" him.

[@davidmorning4820]

@@kratosfc6139 Depends which Myers. I believe he is mortal in some versions.

[@theARoberts]

I have to always defer to Halloween fans on questions like this because I haven't seen any of the movies. I guess there are multiple timelines and depending on which one Myers is or isn't mortal/immortal? If he's mortal, then yes, I'd say Huntress stands a great chance, maybe Trickster, though I'm less convinced on him. Not having seen the movies, I still always interpreted his slowness as more of a he's a near unstoppable force type intimidation rather than actual slowness. But I'm mostly ignorant on his stuff.

[@davidmorning4820]

@@theARoberts I don't know. He shakes off being shot multiple times, stabbed, blown up and hit with a truck i think. I don't think either can top that

[@carminefalcone6027]

@@theARoberts you should watch the movies of licenced characters

[@sheipi9978]

Another killer that has a connection with the entity is Ghost face surprisingly

[@theARoberts]

Ahh yes, thanks for pointing that out!

[@guts2015]

Sorry for the late comment, but Sadako can for sure beat Freddy 100%. In the Japanese film she is able to physically harm people while they're dreaming. The only thing that can stand a chance is Kayako & Toshio from the Ju-On series.

[@theARoberts]

Sorry for the late reply! And no worries, I appreciate all comments regardless of when. It's been a bit since I did this one so I can't 100% remember what I said, but yes, 100% Sadako should beat Freddy. She's one of the few I'd argue that are actually as strong or stronger than the Entity, where Freddy is definitely not.

[@oktal8589]

if you are counting legion as a whole why not count pinhead and his gash?

[@theARoberts]

Because in DBD's lore it's just Pinhead in the Entity's realm but all four members of the Legion are there (unless I'm missing something in Pinhead's lore?)

[@oktal8589]

@@theARoberts im not well versed in the dbd lore to be honest, but i assumed since chatterer is in the game then the rest of his gash would be there too

[@LordKarnox]

Pretty decent video! If you want to know why Wesker beats spirit EASILY, you’ll need to watch RE5 final boss fight. There’s really no chance spirit does any real damage to wesker when that’s the man’s real body. Meanwhile Spirit has to manifest to attack as seen in her power and the fact that she can be pallet stunned. You might think she could phase out to dodge his attacks but wesker can easily dodge bullets and moves so fast he looks like he teleported so… yeah lol Plus she appears to have a significant windup to go into the spirit world that wesker can easily exploit

[@davedungan7608]

I don’t really get the pallet stun argument, I mean literally everyone in the game has to get stunned for the purpose of the game. Spirit is a ghost, she doesn’t have to be in her physical form.

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, I'm still torn but have been more or less won over to Wesker beating Spirit (though I wouldn't be willing to say easily) but also knowing how Wesker can dodge bullets it would be incredibly difficult for her to land a hit, even with her speed.

[@Moghster6969]

What do you think about wesker vs dredge

[@LordKarnox]

@@davedungan7608 Jeez I'm late to reply to this, but if she's not in physical form then she can't attack Wesker either, so her best bet is to stalemate. Granted outside of game she could probably just be spirit form forever, but "not losing" isnt winning. Wesker I guess would then fuck off and find some exorcists to deal with her ass I guess but thats lame.

[@LordKarnox]

@@Moghster6969 Probably just stalemate. Neither can hurt eachother. Maybe Wesker can tear through literally every piece of human gore that dredge has collected but I don't know if that'd actually kill it as Dredge is just the black mist controlling the bodies so I dunno

[@kingstonlugo9920]

I think cenobite would beat onrýo because the cenobites attack souls and considering that sadako is a infuriated soul basicly I think pin head would win but I also think that there is a argument for sadako wining also.

[@theARoberts]

Definitely interesting point, I hadn't heard that about Cenobites. I need to actually watch Hellraiser because when it comes to Pinhead I only can go off of DBD lore and what I've read/heard.

[@kingstonlugo9920]

@@theARoberts thanks for replying to me I love your videos and it's a honor that you replied to me

[@hachiebeng1218]

Sweet baby jesus Myers vs PH was like Myers shows his Knife then PH shows his giant Knife saying "am I a joke to you? "

[@theARoberts]

LOL yeah, it's not a fair fight

[@funniestshtiveeverseen7361]

Bro... A vacuum beats dredge

[@theARoberts]

😂 Last time I checked though there weren't any vacuums in the Entity's realm

[@dbdgamer3603]

The reason that wesker beats spirit is because spirit can't attack while phasing, and wesker is nigh unkillable so wesker would just have to wait for spirit to attack, and while she's on cooldown wesker turns her into drybones

[@YJL186]

he would just fly through her. she actually can't be harmed if you exclude gameplay and go by lore. he has no way to even harm her despite his feats.

[@theARoberts]

I have been convinced Wesker would defeat Spirit. She takes a physical form within the realm and he's too quick to be able to hit him with her katana. That said, her mori shows that she is actually able to phase back to back with great speed, so her cooldown is primarily gameplay necessitated.

[@itachileesan]

the question is whether can infect spiritual creatures with his uroboros. he's also fast strong and smart.

[@theARoberts]

Yeah, at the physical level he's one of the strongest in the game, but the question indeed is whether he can compete with the more spiritual creatures

[@foxybatiscool1595]

Also I did not hear the word "twins" at all in this video, maybe I'm not paying attention, but I didn't hear them

[@theARoberts]

06:40

[@foxybatiscool1595]

@@theARoberts nvrm I was wrong thanks

[@theARoberts]

@@foxybatiscool1595 No worries, happens quite a bit actually

[@Splonton]

And then Kratos rolls up an bodies everyone /ref

[@theARoberts]

LOL he's in a different league for sure

[@Cryax2]

They get the Poseidon treatment

[@markmywordss]

Onryo kills me more often than not. liked!

[@theARoberts]

Same, but that has more to do with me being terrible at Survivor 😂😅 Thank you!

[@dominicbosko8375]

I still have to strongly disagree that Huntress would lose to Demo. It’s shown that she has the strength and skills to hunt down giant beasts, and while I’ll admit the demo is incredibly strong, so is she. Not only that, but fire might be a weakness to the demo, but in S4, he was killed with a sword. With her arsenal, I still believe she would come out on top. If she can take on soldiers as well as the animals she has in her cosmetics, I think she wins.

[@davidmorning4820]

Isn't season 4 Demo immune to bullets?

[@theARoberts]

I think I said it in the video (can't remember though because I know it has been 2 months 😅) but I would say the Huntress stands the best chance of the "human" characters because of her hunting ability. I also took Demo getting killed by the sword in S4 as him having been weakened by the fire first, but if I am incorrect in that, and the sword was all that was needed then I would definitely change my vote and Huntress wins.

[@Johnsbigwick797]

​@@theARoberts Myers slams both these fodders