Who the hell is General Patch?

Hello There!
Join me as I take a journey down a Galoob A-Team rabbit hole!
Who is General Patch?
Who are his Evil Enemy?
What are Special Force?
Why have I started to collect these? No seriously, WHY?
Have you ever heard or seen of any of these GI Joe rip offs, let me know in the comments.
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[@fereality7766]

They had code names. The flame thrower was code named Fireball and the mortar troop was Madman. They're on the little green sticker on the front of the package and on the art on the cardback.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Great spot there sir 😀 Fireball is a much cooler name. I’m going to pin your comment! Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@fereality7766]

@@Retrotoyguysi You're welcome. I'm actually on the lookout for Fireball or his mold mate Sneak (the enemy gunner), so that's why I knew where to look.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@fereality7766 Oh cool, so you are building a collection of Gen Patch then? Do you have any of the vehicles?

[@fereality7766]

@@Retrotoyguysi Unfortunately not. Right now I'm rebuilding my Joe collection a little bit at a time, but I got couple of the American Defense Enemies in a lot a bit ago. Whilst going down the rabbit hole that is looking them up I got caught in a Trivia about General Patch and realized that those two have one of the least reused torsos from this line. As far as I know it was only used in one other line, Olmec's Bronze Bombers Hi-Tech.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@fereality7766 ah yes, good old rabbit holes 😂. Well I wish you luck in rebuilding your Joe and Patch armies 😊👍

[@cheddarcheese7928]

Big Beard,and his lack of beard,will live in our hearts forever!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

😂 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@sneakyskunk1]

I seem to recall seeing figures identical to these at both Magic and K Mart. They were called American Defense. The cards always carried two figures with helmets and the claw type design for the backpacks(which were always red for some reason). Every single figure in the line carried an M-16. Figures who could not wear helmets(due to head sculpts including odd hairstyles or hats) still received helmets. The card backs even had the same artwork for the cross sell. They also had access to the same vehicle range(including that red white and blue helicopter). My younger brother owned a few of these. His favorite guy was an afro and goatee sporting soldier he named Jeff. Jeff went on many adventures until his O ring tragically snapped as a result of trying to prove to Prune Head(a Star Wars alien) that he could grow taller.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Poor old Jeff, he shall be missed! Although, if your brother still has that figure the O Ring can be changed. I had to replace all the O Rings in my A-Team figures and it’s a relatively easy job to do. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@scockery]

Yes, the original K-Mart American Defense used the Galoob molds. American Defense was K-mart's military knock off name, they switched to Remco "Swivel arm" figures later which ran for years, and then in the final days a different brand. But the Galoob molds soldiered on as Commando ranger and Demon Ranger and in some other various cheapo toys into the early 90's. There were accessory packs, too. Some larger ones with playmats.

[@sneakyskunk1]

@@scockery Well now I understand. And understanding is 50 percent of the fight! It all makes sense, American Defense! Duh duh duh duh duh!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@scockery Amazing how much use they could get out of those molds! Thanks for the great comment! 😊👍

[@scockery]

@@Retrotoyguysi Yeah, the molds were everywhere for awhile. In the small town I lived, the few stores didn't carry GI JOE after about 1986, but they'd stock those Commando Ranger 2 packs. And another store (maybe Dollar General) had single cards under a different name. They had helmets with molded netting on them and some included like baseball helmets. Who knows why.

[@rustyshackleford1114]

My father hated Galoob. He thought they were a Satanist company because some random guy at his church told him. Years later, I looked in to it to see if the company had even any occultic or new age type roots and nothing. Lol.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Oh wow, I guess that just goes to show we shouldn’t believe everything we are told. I wonder where the guy got that info from or if he just made it up? Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@rustyshackleford1114]

@@Retrotoyguysi My dad died a few years ago and I didn't even know it. I hadn't seen him since 1996 or so. Wasn't a great guy. Claimed to be a Christian, but never once showed the Grace and Love of Christ. Never paid a penny of child support and abused his then-wife. Everything to him was of the devil. MOTU, even Transformers, etc ....

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@rustyshackleford1114 Oh, I’m sorry to hear that 😔

[@SniffHeinkel]

@@Retrotoyguysi Unfortunately, this is a common thing for pastors in America to say to their congregation. I remember back in the 80's, almost every mother I knew was scared that their kids might get into the game Dungeons & Dragons because it was supposed to be a gateway to demonic possession. Back in the 90's, when I was living in Washington State, there was a local Baptist church I would occasionally visit because I had friends who were members. One time I stopped by because a friend I knew from Alaska, Jacob, was there. I collect comic books, and I was showing him my comic book collection. He told me he didn't like comic books, so I asked him why, and he told me that the pastor there said that comic books were a gateway to hell. One of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say. I felt pity for Jacob because he wasn't smart enough to know where someone was feeding him an obvious line of bullshit.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@SniffHeinkel I guess we all grew up in different ways. I grew up in the UK and my family weren’t religious at all so I didn’t have any of those issues. My mother didn’t like having American things and hated the way that the US culture was taking over everything in the UK in the 80’s. We weren’t allowed to do anything for Halloween as that was just ‘American nonsense’. 😂

[@kevingallagher188]

Well these would make nice additions to your classic g.i.joe dioramas. Awesome to have figures everyone else doesn't have!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thanks, it was quite strange finding an unknown range of action figures and realizing that the, very well known, A-Team figures were based upon them. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@manofaction1807]

I like them. They are straight arm 80's!!!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

They are quite cool figures, wish I’d known about them back in the day, they would have gone well with my Action Force. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@quodnomenmihiest6283]

I actually had some of these as a kid. Stopped collecting them because I HATED "the smell of battle." My mom tried everything to get that smell off, but nothing worked. I even had to keep them in a separate container so that my Joe's and other 3 3/4 figs wouldn't get contaminated.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

😂 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@kencooper8835]

LOL

[@ReynoldsReviews]

Nice figures Si!!! I recently discovered the Gen patch figures, very difficult to get in the Uk, but I do plan to add a few as an extension of my a team collection, great video man, enjoyed it 👍

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thanks Luke, yeah I never knew about these figures until I accidentally found them while looking for A-Team figures. They (obviously) fit well with the Team and actually make for better bad guys than the, well, bad guys do. I hope you manage to find some for your collection mate, thanks for watching and the kind comment 👍😊

[@MonkeyboysToys]

The names of many of these figures are so awful it actually bothers me. Gunner Bill with a bazooka was my favourite, or maybe the Beard dude with no beard. It's crazy how many GI Joe style figures there were back in the day. I never had any interest in military toys when I was younger but there were lots of options for kids who liked this sort of thing. It's the rabbit hole that keeps on giving I guess.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

I was just amazed by the lack of thought or care given to these figures. I think Galoob put all their creativity into the packaging then as a last minute decided to give the characters a name. The other lines were then a rip off of a GI Joe rip off. But I do wish I had these original Gen Patch figures back in the day. They really do go better with the A-Team then the correct bad guys. My favorite names have to be Dove and parachute Pete who never had a parachute 😂. Oh and some of the crazy 70’s porn star looks they have the figures 😂. Good times… Thanks for watching dude 👍😊

[@travelswithjasonf1463]

Yes them names are badddddd

[@davelovelock4007]

The retailers "Ames" here in the US used to carry all the special force guys. I bought them all on clearance as a kid. Bought the whole line for under $10 along with a bunch of captain power vehicles.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Under ten buck for everything! That sounds like a real bargain! Those were the days….

[@puffinman1138]

That's awesome and actually explains everything. My family visited the local Ames all the time and I definitely had a few of these ugly bastards. LoL I think I had more off-brand toys then real ones. Like these guys here, Galaxy Warriors instead of MotU and the ever classic "Voltron's Brother" that my dad got me one time. 😂

[@davelovelock4007]

@Retrotoyguysi in your pic, I had thise 3 special force vehicles, some figures, some General patch figures, the 3 vehicles from captain power, and every figure from the captain power line...all for under $10. I literally had my own shopping cart, and was spending my money I earned at the Fenton MI Ames. I kick myself in the ass now..but they had tons of joe stuff on clearance too.. but I didn't care if I already had it.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@davelovelock4007 awesome 🤩. We had a discount toy store in my old town, can’t remember what it was called but I remember I bought the complete line of Kenner Centurions there for under £25! Later my brother picked up a ton of turtles there. Sometimes wish I had a time machine so I could go back there 😂

[@AllThings80s]

Well, you learn something new every single day. I had no idea such things existed, so thanks for showing us. 👍🏻

[@Retrotoyguysi]

I know, imagine my surprise when I found them all while searching for the A-Team bad guys. It’s good to know that there are still these oddities out there. If I had the room I would definitely try to collect all the Gen Patch stuff. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@AllThings80s]

@@Retrotoyguysi 👍🏻

[@jeffreycoogan09]

It would almost seem that Galoob may have originally set out to do a toy line based on the Marvel character "Nick Fury"? But were not able to secure the rights. So, the "General Patch" military toy line was created to fill that void.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thant is an interesting theory or maybe they were talking ‘inspiration’ from the Nick Fury character? 🤔 Thanks for watching and the interesting comment 👍😊

[@BlackArroToons]

Cool orange, yellow, red, green artwork packaging design at 12:12 . Thanks for showing these.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yeah, I know what you mean, the art work for these original toys was awesome! Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@BayushiGemma]

I remember having that mortar weapon with my Joes and wondering where it came from, the mystery is solved 40 years later. LOL

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s great, I’m happy I could help solve a 40 year old mystery 😂 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@jay80hobbies9]

There was a lot of repurposing figures and vehicles back then lol. The names on some of these figures 😂😂😂!! Definitely a lot of what I call spin off brands back then. Disco dancing on the combat field 😂😂😂!! Very interesting video with these figures I didn’t know where out there. Fantastic sharing amigo!! Keep up the great work!!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thanks Jay 😊👍

[@user-ow1jb7wg8u]

I've never seen these honestly, or maybe I did and don't remember them. I would've wanted that F-16 as a kid to park next to my Skystriker. I do remember that line of small diecast figures called "Eagle Force", I used to always see those.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Eagle Force? Hmm, I’ve never heard of those before, I will have to check them out! 😀 Thanks for watching 👍😊

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Remember The C.O.R.P.s. toys? Also.....totally random thought ....I miss Remco's Universal Monster figures

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yes The C.O.R.Ps. I have a few of those figures, I found them in a charity shop! They are another weird GI Joe knock off. I never had any Universal Monsters but I have seen them online. Thanks for watching 👍😊

[@SniffHeinkel]

"Defense" is how Americans spell the word. So I'm very certain that the National Defense line was a G.I. Joe knockoff. In addition, an American flag appears next to the card's logo. They sold those at the local K-Mart where I grew up.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That does explain it! 😁. I always forget that American English and English have a lot of the same words but spelt differently, colour/color etc. us Brit’s just like using as many letters as possible I guess. 😂

[@jmstater]

I bought one of those General Patch figures back in the 80s - actually in much better shape than my original G.I. Joe figures.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s cool, do you still have it? Which character did you have? Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@jmstater]

@@Retrotoyguysi I have Bazooka Man, currently on display with my old ARAH figures (I had most of the first releases). He's still in really good shape - almost looks new.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@jmstater Awesome stuff sir, thanks for letting me know 😊👍

[@jontuell5338]

Thanks for the video. I remember most of these. Used to see them at my local Hill's. Oh man, that place was magical, probably complete trash to be honest, but the little boy in me loved hitting those toy shelves.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thanks you for the lovely comment and thanks for watching 👍😊. I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it 😀

[@Dragonrider1227]

Motar Man and his BOWL CUT OF EVIL!! I like Flame Thrower man though. He’s got a cool beard 10:29 Frankenfurter joined GI Joe?

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yes, the hair cuts of evil 😂 They certainly did make some interesting sculpting choices 🤔 Thanks for watching and commenting 😊👍

[@AllBreaksLoose]

I had a few of those bad guy figures. They came in 2 packs at Kmart. Get 2 cigs for the same price as a gijoe. To a kid that was awesome! I recently picked up the mercenary figure. Nice video history tour!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s cool 😀. Do you still have your original figures? Thanks for watching and commenting 😊👍

[@AllBreaksLoose]

Not the original ones I had as a kid, but I'm going to get those figures again via eBay...lol

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@AllBreaksLoose Nice! Good luck and happy collecting 😀👍

[@kjpphotography4764]

I remember those! I used them as extra G.I. Joe figures.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s cool! 😀 Thanks for watching 👍😊

[@linusfrost5155]

They even used the exact same mold for the guns and the mortar as G.I. joe series 1.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

I think they copied the molds from Hasbro and just used very cheap plastic. The original Joes are far better made. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@fakename2212]

The gi joe-style figures without the elbow swivel always seem strange to me.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That is a very good point. In fact not having the swivel joint in the elbow means they don’t carry their guns very well. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@sva3897]

Great video Si, I love these more obscure 3 3/4" Galoob lines. I used to have a few of these figures. I had that Turbo jet boat but without that strange figure, maybe my parents took it away before they gave me the boat. Back in the day I thought these were just bootleg GI Joe's. Should have kept them. Till today I don't have much information about these lines. Love these other versions they have from the A team vehicles like the F16. Have a great week!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Thanks Seth. I was amazed to find out about these, those Gen Patch vehicles are great and it makes more sense for that range to have the military vehicles than the A-Team. Shame you didn’t keep your old figures but that’s retrospect I guess, I’m missing so much of my old stuff that I regret not keeping. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@WallyTony]

I had these as a kid because my parents wouldn't buy the GI Joes.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s actually pretty cool, but it probably didn’t feel like it at the time. Do you still have them? Did you have any of the vehicles? Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😊

[@Uncle_GenX]

I was General 'Nicotine' Patch in 1999 when I quit smoking... I remember the smell of battle was all around me (The good old days when we all still smoked in shopping malls, restaurants, the public pool...) I would have loved to have these as a kid to fight my Joes with, but never saw them in the stores over here that I can recall... Thank you, Retro Toy Guy Si! Love your videos. Have a great day, and take some time to play!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

General Nicotine patch 😂 I never even knew about any of these figures. The really bad knock offs look like something you would find in a small store while on holiday in a different country. Thanks for watching and the kind words 😊👍

[@davidneal9368]

Yeah and those who complained shouldn't be in the pub they want a meal go to a restaurant cafe chippy good old days miss them

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@davidneal9368 I remember when the rule about no longer smoking in pubs came in, everyone thought it was great but then they realized that without the smell of the smoke all you could smell was the stale beer on the floor. Within a month my local had ripped its carpets out and went to a more cleanable wooden floor. 😁

[@davidneal9368]

@@Retrotoyguysi I believe that ban is what's caused pubs to close down They were the days a pint cost 75p in the 80s.you could go out with couples of quid or £5 and it went further

[@aviansavage6338]

These look really cool..I hope someone picks up these and does a modern spin on these..if not I will buy some Maurader Gun Runners and make them myself..awesome review

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Personally I think these figures are better than the A-Team range Galoob produced but as I say in the video they make excellent bad guys to go against the Team. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@petebutler5139]

If you like the G.I. Joe-styled knockoff figures there’s also the Bronze Bombers action figure collection. The BBs were produced by an African-American owned toy company that released that line of African-American soldiers intended to be played with G.I. Joe to add a little extra diversity.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yes I have heard of these. I don’t think they were available here in Europe but there might be some hiding away somewhere. Definitely want to get some into my collection if I can find them… Thanks for the great comment 😊👍

[@kungforcegrip9509]

Mortar Man should have been called Mortar Merc. Had some of the General Patch figures, the gray hovercraft, red three wheeled ATV, and the red and blue helicopter toy vehicles myself back in the day. Had forgotten about them.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

That’s cool😀! Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@MopBucket1014]

Most of the guys machine gun always looked like a cheap looking M-60

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yep, just like the A-Team figures they all get the same gun……. I guess it kept the costs down. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@davelovelock4007]

I had alot of the general patch guys with my Joe's. Theybwere great figures and vehicles.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Wow, that’s great 😀

[@asurlybarber3620]

General Patch fought GI Joe, and Joe won.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Very true….. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@UsualmikeTelevision]

Great Stuff.

[@Scotty-Z70]

11:0 yes, but it's from france, where the toys come with a pack of cigarettes'

[@Retrotoyguysi]

😂

[@genx7006]

Pretty sure I had some of these!

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Cool! 😀 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@barneyfyfe8313]

There was a Gen. Alexander Patch in WW1 and WW2.... but I doubt this toy has anything to do with his history.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Interesting, maybe someone in the marketing department knew of him? It’s possible I guess. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@davelovelock4007]

I had the national defense set, purchased it at Perry drugs in the early 80s

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Cool, it sounds like you had quite the collection back in the day, do you still have them somewhere? Thanks for watching and the for great comments 👍😊

[@davelovelock4007]

@@Retrotoyguysi I do not, but I remember the vehicles being pretty decent quality compared to my joe stuff. I really liked them back then, especially the chopper and boat.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@davelovelock4007 that’s a shame, but at least you will always have those fond memories of them 😊

[@kencooper8835]

CAREFUL!! Don't handle the ones made in .. CHI-na .. to often! They may be heavy laden with leaded paint.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Maybe…. I made sure to test them by licking them all first 😂 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@kencooper8835]

@@Retrotoyguysi lol, fair'nuff

[@genkigirl4859]

Their names are no chin and bowl cut

[@Retrotoyguysi]

😂

[@captainbeefcake5272]

They are better then the ateam costumes i never seen the a team with hi vis orange outfits. The names are funny I'd call the Yorkshire ripper one joe the Bastard or something lol

[@Retrotoyguysi]

They are much better than the bad guys that came with the A-Team, that’s for sure. Joe the Bastard 😂. Great name! Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@manofaction1807]

The Smell of Combat!"

[@krownneghas8623]

I had one with parachute

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Wow, that’s cool, maybe he was the original Parachute Pete! Thanks for watching and commenting 😊👍

[@cb3391]

☕😉☕ Pure 80's

[@charlesrobinson7469]

I loved these figures, but I galoofs dropped the ball on the wcw line. A Wrestling figure should be fully posable (like a 3 3/4 gijoe). I tried to tell them in 1993, they didn't listen & had the gall to say wrestling figures are Obsolete. Now, they're out of business. That's what you get for thinking you know better than a Collector/Consumer.🤫

[@Retrotoyguysi]

It’s unbelievable how some of these big companies think. It’s a bit like modern day Hasbro, every collector in the world is screening for more original Kenner figures to be released in their Retro Collection line so what do Hasbro do? A Phantom Menace Retro collection series (soon to be warming pegs in a store near you) 🤦‍♂️ Thanks for watching and commenting 😊👍

[@PozerAdultRacingTeam]

I think I had one or two of these fake GI Joes. I think I had evil Flamethrower.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Cool!

[@brentthemetalfunkpeterson]

I hook my cell phone up to speakers. You're staticing out

[@Retrotoyguysi]

I have a pretty basic set up and a cheap clip on Bluetooth mic (working on a budget here 😅) but I have just upgraded to a more expensive mic set up so hopefully future videos will have better audio. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Post script ......could this series be the CORPS, just repackaged in the UK?

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Good thought but no, I believe the CORPS figures came out later in the early 90s and the sculpts are completely different. I will be making a corps video in the future. Thanks for the interesting comment 👍😊

[@davidneal9368]

I agree he looks very much like Peter Sutcliffe

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Scary isn’t it….. 😂

[@davidneal9368]

@@Retrotoyguysi Reminds me I watched a video either late last year earlier this. It was of Mr Bean figure that came with the toy mini. Turns out I wasn't the only one who thought it. The toy figure face looked nothing like Mr Bean but of Ronald Reagan 😆

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@davidneal9368 😂

[@travelswithjasonf1463]

Its funny i was going to say here that they would make better enemys to the a team and you say it lol i got 1 of them as well pick hom up in Birmingham. Now it would be interested to see if anyone realised that gen patch vehicles are the same as the a team. Yes so many lines there is to collect if you wanted to

[@Retrotoyguysi]

It’s funny, I’d never seen or heard of them before, it was only because I was searching A-team on Boonsart and these came up in the search. Quite a few of the variants I show were also from his web shop. I’d love to get a few of the Gen Patch vehicles as I think they look better than the A-team ones. Always thought it was weird that the Team had a tank 😁 Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@travelswithjasonf1463]

@@Retrotoyguysi I always thought it was the eps where they repair a half track in one of the eps yes so many. And so would I like to get some of the vehicles as well

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@travelswithjasonf1463 I just bought the ERTL Corvette to add to my A-Team collection that I never intended to collect😂. You picked up that awesome ERYL helicopter in Birmingham if I remember.

[@travelswithjasonf1463]

@@Retrotoyguysi yes I did still looks good

[@richardgloth1137]

K,,,,mole man with 2 eyes,,,s.wars dude

[@curtisnewton895]

you really need to invest in audio equipement, we can barely hear what you say

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Interesting, I have Bluetooth microphone which I use and I have never had a problem other than sometimes it pops if I clip it too close to my mouth. 🤷‍♂️ Well thanks for bringing it to my attention 😊👍

[@kencooper8835]

Why are you speaking through a pillow?? FFS.. I can barely understand you.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yes, well I have to disguise my voice like Batman……. No, you are not the first to point this out, it’s a cheap microphone which I have now upgraded. If you check out my latest video (Galoob A Team Face) the sound quality should be better. 😊👍

[@kencooper8835]

@@Retrotoyguysi yeah, sorry.. i was being a bit knit-picky.

[@Retrotoyguysi]

@@kencooper8835 no worries mate 😊👍

[@scockery]

The brown suited guy is the Brute by packaged examples. And the other villain "The Masher" had a goatee. The Masher is a curious name for that villain. "masher in American English (ˈmæʃər) noun. slang. a man who makes advances, esp. to women he does not know, with a view to physical intimacy."

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Hmm, in retrospect not the best name then 😂. In the UK we use to have mashed potatoes and the tool you would use to prepare this meal is called a Masher, so that’s where my thoughts went. Thanks for watching 😊👍

[@scockery]

@@Retrotoyguysi Most people would think potato masher. It's very dated slang in the USA, like letch/lech. Not something you hear a lot anymore.