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[@blameitonjorge]

Just realized that the video is corrupted at 1:37 and 15:34. Here’s what they’re supposed to show: 106TH FLOOR Peter Alderman , victim Bloomberg LP Portraits of Grief: They'll Always Have France Mr. Alderman, a salesman for Bloomberg LP, was on the *106th floor of the north tower attending a conference at Windows on the World. His picture and that of a colleague, William Kelly, were taken at the conference that morning and the photographer left with the film just a short while before the plane struck.* “September 11, 2001 was a beautiful fall day, there wasn’t a cloud to be seen in the perfect blue sky. I was supposed to be shooting that day for a magazine but the assignment was pulled the week before. That lost job saved my life. The client was a financial magazine, and they called me to cover an industry conference that was held annually at Windows on the World on the 106th floor of WTC One; I had shot the conference the year before for the same client. When I called the editor to confirm, I made a few suggestions on how I could shoot the job and make it better than the previous year; I wasn’t argumentative, just trying to make professional suggestions. The editor blew up and said, “if you don’t want to do it my way I’ll find someone else to shoot it.” I lost the job. I would have been on location at 7:00 am. No one at that conference survived.” Sorry about that guys :/

[@superluigiIogan]

ok

[@lorenzomendez9291]

Thanks for the clarification, Jorge 🙏🏽

[@owowhatsthis._.6943]

AGAIN!?! WHAT THE HECK

[@kkikikiki2]

i didn't even notice. i love your videos! thank you for good content and for going over this

[@MercurySG3M]

Here i was thinking what an odd editing choice but cool i guess

[@charismaticoutcast9516]

Hey, this could be way off base, but I figured I'd throw it out there. When I did an internship for Miami Fashion week through Getty in 2010 and later in 2013, my official title was "runner." A runner gets the SD cards from the photographers, and runs them to the editors. SD cards were not widely used yet in 2001, and I'm unsure if there was a memory stick or film version of a runner. I guess you could in theory hand over the roll of film, and it could be run over to the editor. Perhaps, the photographer didn't live, maybe their runner did. The runner ran it over, and within minutes 9/11 is happening before their eyes. In the mass hysteria, the footage gets developed at some point, but a lot of time has passed and so nobody knows really where/who took it. If these were individual photographers, probably not. But this did pop up in my head as I was listening to this story. Edited my message because people keep correcting me about SD cards existing in 2013.

[@MissKellyBean]

Interesting theory!!!!

[@evangelionfan69]

Woah, this is a really interesting idea!

[@nuttynoah5342]

This could be it!

[@dalia5964]

This sounds very likely. Doesn’t even have to be a runner. Could’ve been just an assistant who was given the camera and then told to go get coffee. Could be that they didn’t even make it out of the tower before I got hit. But they were just lower in the building and made it out safely

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

That is a very interesting theory, it is something I considered early on that the person who 'published' the photo wasn't the one to actually take it.

[@47Jonesy]

The photographer COULD be dead. Remember, people have been dying of respiratory illness that were anywhere like 15 square city blocks of the towerfall and its been over 20 years also. Just saying it may not be them seeking anonymity.

[@dertythegrower]

Bingo, just what I said...

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

This is something that is very possible, many of our searches for other pieces of media from that day have ended when we found obituaries. But it seems Colleen has spoken to the photographer atleast on one occasion, and we may be able to find out from her if the person is still alive and willing to be contacted.

[@PinkBunnybunso]

I was going to comment on that same idea. Yeah, it would explain a lot of things.

[@eli-lobo]

based on the ending of the video, I think they just want to remain anonymous

[@RabidFlowerpot]

All under lock and key somewhere. Probably resurface in future via some obscure person.

[@pheenic]

I agree with what the one guy in the interview said. She probably wants nothing to do with what happened that day. Guilt is a heavy thing, and survivors guilt is much worse.

[@salis-salis]

Not if you work for Mossad

[@mj.l]

@@salis-salis you need a soul to experience guilt

[@aetherland1883]

Or maybe it's an alien....

[@joshuacox5817]

Unless she was threatened

[@RumpelFourSkin]

Not their fault, so why feel guilty?

[@ScottsShots]

Ron Jauntz 's story is incredible. Imagine the frustration, despair, and fear you feel when you're suddenly fired. Little did he know it may have saved his life. It makes you wonder what misfortunes we suffer are blessings in disguise.

[@danielfinley-pesti6661]

typo! tired to fired

[@davestrider9900]

​@@danielfinley-pesti6661 in all fairness i feel frustration, despair, and fear when i'm tired too

[@astoriarego8304]

My husband's friend was in the final interview stage for a job at Cantor Fitzgerald one month before 9/11. It was between him and a woman and she got the job. We're NYers and were in our 20s back then, so we know a lot of close calls.

[@Blue-Ayanami]

Burnt Toast Theory

[@chooseknowledge2859]

You should check out Seth MacFarlane's story (creator of Family Guy) of how he accidentally avoided 9/11, it's wild.

[@honeycrispsnail4032]

it’s either 1) she has survivor’s guilt and would rather not come forward or 2) she passed, perhaps from complications from the debris, later on. she also could’ve forgot about the photo after the chaos and trauma?

[@alphalax7747]

Not sure she would forget. I mean, how else would that person who made the book have gotten the photos then?

[@smilemations]

@@alphalax7747Agreed, she might’ve known that her photo would’ve been priceless as it was taken mere minutes before the plane struck.

[@salis-salis]

or 3) worked for Mossad and knew what would happen a while later....

[@Writing_Gamer_513]

Let’s not forget the 4th and most saddening option, taking her self away from this world and entering the next one.

[@junkkitty2009]

@@salis-salis Why would Mossad want photos from a small conference like this? BTW, security was extremely tight and visitors to anywhere but the public viewing decks or the restaurant needed to be pre-approved by security before their visit and got a final security clearance on arrival before receiving a pass which opened the gate to one of the elevators going to their destination or the sky lobby with access to the local elevator going there. Any event photographer would need to go through that process and then only be allowed to go directly to the conference. People in the towers cold not freely wander them since the bombing. Needed gate passes could only open access to the correct express elevator and a person up in the tower who wanted to go to a floor outside the range of their local elevator needed to go down to the ground lobby, exit the secure area, and re-enter via a gate for the express elevator for the other floor but only if their security pass could open the security gate. The gates were manned by security who would direct people on and off the express elevators. I know this because my relative owned a business which had only been in one of the towers for a few years before 9/11 and everyone in that office at the time of impact died. Even as an owner-tenant, he had to jump through hoops to get me a pass so I could visit his office once. I can't describe how it feels to see his name and business get tied into stupid CT daydreams concocted by bored people with nothing useful to do in life. Worse, the CT diverts the public from ever holding the then-admin responsible for neglecting the warnings they were given. Instead we get misdirected by people treating it like a movie plot.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

If I learned that the very place I was at that morning suffered a terrorist attack, I would not leave bed for a month.

[@HonkeyKongLive]

I always think about Seth MacFarland, he was supposed to be on one of the flights but missed his plane that morning because he was hung over. Or Jackie Chan had a film shoot that morning on TOP of one of the towers but it got canceled for some reason.

[@ObamaMpreg]

@@HonkeyKongLiveso the lesson here is drinking irresponsibly saves lives?

[@ScottyPod]

@@ObamaMpregthe lesson is be rich/powerful enough to get the "don't come to work tomorrow" memo

[@blackbearcj5819]

@@ScottyPod You think the creator of Fraiser wasn't more powerful than a near nobody like Seth McFarlane was back then? Moron. The place is and was a huge business center and has a ton going on there in the most populous city in the world. Of course there's gonna be celebs who had near misses.

[@JoeVington]

@@ScottyPodWhat? So George Bush let the guy who created family guy (only 2 years prior to 2001) know that there was going to be a terrorist attack on one of the planes he was meant to be on?

[@dreamvisitor]

who up blaming it on their jorge rn

[@sirrobertwalpole1754]

Yeah so hard

[@TitozThing]

me

[@EnriqueMcQuade]

me too

[@Wxn69]

Me.

[@bananadime]

STOP

[@tylertheguy3160]

Some people just don't like the spotlight, and you have to also take into account how traumatic this would've been. I can honestly understand if the photographer wants to remain anonymous.

[@charlesmiv3842]

Or maybe they knew the planes would hit and they just wanted to document what was going on inside for Osama!!!1!! tinfoil hat intensifies.

[@JustWowNick]

Exactly. I was thinking they would have potentially TONS of survivors guilt after being one of the last people on that floor.

[@cranberrycracker6847]

Also I don't think I'd wanna be the center of another 9/11 conspiracy and have people harass me out in public or find where I live

[@AnimalAlmighty]

@@cranberrycracker6847Same.

[@Mr_x_19922]

Nonsense, the fact that he escaped just in time means tha he knew what was going to happen, many people knew it

[@Dherkin_McGhurken]

Another issue is that people around the towers afterwards got cancer and other health issues. So there's a good chance of the person dying a while ago.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

You’re mistaken on this. People around the towers when the planes HIT did NOT get cancer. The crash itself wasn’t toxic. What caused cancer was when the building COLLAPSED. If the person took the picture at 7:30, they literally had 2hr 29m to be well away from the site. You’re conflating people caught in the DUST to people who simply saw the crash.

[@Devin_10k]

That's what happens with dangerous explosives.

[@cosmictraveler1146]

@@Devin_10kGo away.

[@christopherperkins8948]

​@@Devin_10k lmao stfu it's 2024 nobody with an iq over 40 knows better

[@JustAGooseman]

@@Devin_10k This joke would be funny if there was actually any viable explosive capable of cutting thru over inch thick steel plates (which is what makes up the i-beams in a building) that were actually hazardous.

[@BookwormWoes]

Just because they took photos doesn't mean it was necessarily a photographer. It could have been an intern or something, which is why they didn't have backup parts or cameras in case of malfunction. Them needing to leave for another assignment could be something as small as fetching a coffee for someone. Doesn't answer who it was, or why only that photo has been shared but a theory.

[@trentspears9118]

Following that thread, it's possible they didn't go all the way to the bottom of the tower at all before the first attack. They could have just been low enough to escape with their life and later sent the photo to the Times, perhaps even anonymously. Lots of possibilities here.

[@princememphis7726]

It was a photographer. Listen to the end of the video. And the sister said it was a photographer. So everything else you said is irrelevant

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

​@princememphis7726 Depends on the use of the term. Sometimes "photographer" is used to mean the occupation. Sometimes it's used in the postfacto to mean "one who took the picture" at any rate, you came off like kinda a jerk.

[@honoratagold]

This is definitely at least a thing that happens in print media, although more now than it did in 2001. I worked in layout/editing at a newspaper, but have a ton of photography credits to my name because if something came up and we didn't have enough photographers available, I'd have to run out and take a couple pictures of whatever event so we'd have *something* to run. That said, a week in NYC should be enough lead time to get an actual professional photographer for the shoot, but I don't know what the magazine's status was at the time.

[@batkat0]

Feel better? ​@@princememphis7726

[@chriscothran8744]

On a side note, 102 Minutes is actually a fantastic book and I would greatly reccomend it for anyone interested in a remarkably in-depth and well researched step by step and POV heavy walkthrough of the fight to survive/escape the WTC on 9/11.

[@msmongooseable]

There's a documentary too - tough to watch but brilliant. I'll never forget the live TV images on the day - they just broadcast it all. People falling. The tower coming down. It was so viscerally frightening.

[@randalthor6872]

Alex Jones did some good documentaries on 9/11 as well.

[@chriscothran8744]

@@randalthor6872 Alex Jones is also currently shopping for which cardboard box he'd like to stay in because of all the money he's paying out to families for actually NOT making good documentaries so I'm gonna disagree

[@randalthor6872]

yep. Just like Julian Assange, those that speak truth to power get slammed by the system eventually. Alex has a huge following though. He'll just start up again with a new name and build back up ;P

[@chriscothran8744]

@@randalthor6872 Right. The system (families of dead kids) silenced Alex Jones (held him accountable for repeated and entirely unbased defamatory statements to the tune of $85 million) because he was speaking the """"""""truth"""""""" (disinformation regarding one of the most horrific mass murders in U.S. history).

[@FishWireDoll]

This was back in 2001, when the internet was not what it is today. With the first photographer being fired so close to the conference it is possible that they couldn't get a professional who knew enough to take a backup camera or this person clearly had other work that was probably pre-booked but seems to have been forced to take another job just before a scheduled shoot and probably used the excuse that the only camera they had broke so that they could get out a make the pre-booked shoot they had

[@msmongooseable]

Bingo. It's a rubbish picture too - reckon they hoped to get back on day 2.

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

​@msmongooseable hi, actually the reason the picture is poor quality is because the only known version of it in color comes from a Screencast of a interactive NY times article from 2002, there is a much higher quality version in Black and white that is in 102 minutes, both images are clearly crops that were done to focus on the three men.

[@atomdecay]

Punctuation, dude. It makes reading so much easier.

[@coldstuff9784]

I thought that the broken camera thing must have been an excuse to leave too, but who knows why.

[@astoriarego8304]

Wait, do you think we didn't know how to find people to hire before the internet? A magazine would have a Rolodex of photogs they worked with for situations like this. You knew not to wait until the last minute because you knew you didn't have the internet.

[@msmongooseable]

Okay, everyone's a critic etc but that does not strike me as the sort of picture a professional freelance photographer in the early 2000s would take. Strange framing, the light at the back is blowing out the colours, and you can't really see their faces. So I'd suggest Risk Magazine sent a very junior freelancer to cover, and due to an existing booking they just turned up, slapped the shutter, and dashed off to their other appointment. They might have hoped to get in the following day to do more and just took a few shots to show willing. Assume this is also why their camera broke - cheap, second hand equipment perhaps. That may also be why we don't have any other pictures from the event. Other possibility is that a regular event organiser snapped the pics as a favour for Risk Magazine - hence the crap image. I did event work from 2000 - 2003 and that sort of favour is plausible.

[@AccountFromGoogle]

Is it normal for a quite big company to hire less experienced freelance photographer?

[@coldstuff9784]

someone said the photo might've been cropped to focus on the three men, so that's probably why.

[@relo999]

@@AccountFromGoogle Really depends on the use case of the photo's. For internal use as reference material or "look how successful this event was" type deals then yes, it's quite common if just staff isn't asked to take photo's with their own phone (though back in 2001 that might have meant hiring any rando with a camera). For an internal magazine or business magazine it also tends to not be a big issue to hire inexperienced photographers. It's only when the intended use-case is for the general public it becomes more important (and even then it still depends, random blurb in some magazine? quality isn't that important. For mayor ad campaign? Quality is rather important).

[@AccountFromGoogle]

@@relo999 i get it , thanks for the info

[@johnanon6938]

@@relo999 Photos with their phones LMAO well Good luck finding a phone with camera back in 2001. Also the event organizers did hire photographers, its why we have the testimony of the one who was fired the week before 9/11... Here's a thought, the photo was taken by Windows on the World employee that was just getting off work since no photographer was found, and back then the internet was still very different with few users compared to today.

[@olga1231]

i don't think is odd the photographer doesn't want to be known or publish more photos of the day tbh, i think leaving them be would be best

[@theraiden1018]

Sure whatever

[@blinxishere8412]

Nah that's history cuh wym??

[@comfycanid]

Maybe the photographer felt some survivors guilt after 911 and didnt want to be connected to the event by the picture

[@kylebroflovski2917]

This could be a possibility. And I don’t blame them for hiding their identity from being tied with one of the darkest days in US history, if not, World history

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

This is a very real possibility, and it's one I have been very careful to remain respectful of, If the photographer wants to remain anonymous then we will respect that. But the only mention of that is a suggestion by Kevin Flynn.

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@kylebroflovski2917 Nah, one of the darkest days in US history was when Drumpf was elected in 2016.

[@NoSaysJo]

cringe ​@@charlesmiv3842

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@charlesmiv3842I have no strong opinions on Trump one way or the other but I think comparing his election to 911 where people lost their lives is in no way an equal comparison.

[@82gamerprincess31]

My guess, given the facts here, that Risk hired a freelancer to get the job done on short notice. This person captured a few shots before having equipment issues, possibly forgetting some gear in their vehicle. Given their luck of escape there easily could be some PTSD/Survivors guilt there they don’t want to deal with. You also have to remember there are a LOT of not respectful nutballs who dig into 9/11 so they may also be avoiding them. I don’t think anyone would blame a random photographer for not wanting to get tied up in harassment by conspiracy nuts.

[@dertythegrower]

Age... they have likely passed already. Think about it, lady is likely 40 or older as a pro photographer (i found a few females on linkedin that work with them still)... add on the time since, and it's not really a groundbreaking photo...

[@Trisaaru]

​@@dertythegrower The photographer could be dead, yes, but 9/11 was 23 years ago, which is really not that long. We have no age information at all so saying "photographer could be dead" is pretty strange.

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

Hi, I spoke at length with Jon Lloyd from Risk Magazine who was covering the conference and he directed me to a memorial about their colleagues and in there it mentions everyone in attendance, if they were not listed there or he didn't remember then he said they never hired one, he was the lead editor and would have been the person responsible for that.

[@caitwon]

@@dertythegrower Someone who was 40 in 2001 would only be 63 now, which is not that old. You make it seem like 2001 was 40 or 50 years ago.

[@mattstiglic]

While I agree that there are a lot of nutjobs out there, there are still numerous deeply disturbing conspiracies regarding 9/11 and the time preceeding it/following it. To hand wave them all away is to do an absolute disservice to everyone who died on that day.

[@princememphis7726]

Honestly, the sister probably met the photographer because she took the picture of her brother. It's likely photographer has survivors guilt

[@eScapereality4728]

So what we have here is a unique historical "Cameraman never dies" piece of evidence.

[@James-2248]

Bill Biggart would disagree

[@AnimalAlmighty]

@@James-2248who

[@CuntillaDeville]

😂 good point!

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

@erebus6786 I remember this too. There is a website with all the pictures, including te last one taken seconds before the collapse.

[@SabPho]

Hey there, I've been a photographer for almost 8 years now and I wanted to throw my two cents into the ring. My guess, is that after the argument that lead Ron Jautz to get fired, Jon Lloyd probably had very little time to schedule a suitable replacement. There is a very real chance that whoever they found was very new to photography. If they were new to the game, they wouldn't have had intimate knowledge with how necessary backup hardware is. Whenever I go out, I usually carry around 40 pounds worth of camera equipment with me, on the off chance that I need to capture something different. I don't even have multiple camera bodies, because they're so expensive. Having to run down to the lobby because of the camera malfunction sticks out in my mind, as I have made similar mistakes in the past that led me to miss a crucial shot. Risk is a very specific journalistic magazine, that focuses more on the financial industry. I don't think they would publish a financial analyst report about 9/11. That would probably be in poor taste. The story about the conference was most likely immediately scrapped.

[@DJ-yh8hm]

You don't have multiple bodies but still have 40 pounds of gear? Jesus, what do you carry with you? That's like 30 lenses.

[@hopemoore]

@@DJ-yh8hm heavy duty tripods, cases, lights, filters, etc. with backups especially if there's a chance to switch from event photography to something more studio-like. Also, don't underestimate the weight of some brands' equipment and some types of lenses are super heavy, too.

[@DJ-yh8hm]

@@hopemoore Sounds like you should carry less gear. And switch to mirrorless too 😉

[@hopemoore]

​@DJ-yh8hm I no longer work in the field and when I did, I choose to find ways to get what I want with available lighting and one camera. I don't think they had mirrorless at the time or at least not one I could afford during a recession.

[@hopemoore]

@DJ-yh8hm I didn't use that much when I was in the field, but I purposely tried to work with available lighting, etc. But I know others who were the type to be prepared for anything. Also, back then, I don't remember mirrorless being an option for DSLRs (but it's been 2 decades) and didn't even switch to digital until 2006. We are all assuming this was a digital image, but that was around the time consumer digital cameras were impressive new tech. It probably was around in paid professional photography, but this could have been a print photo that was later scanned. If it was a DSLR photo, those earlier camera bodies were heavy on their own.

[@TreeCraftbyAndrew]

Everything about 9/11 is truly haunting. To watch all those buildings turn to dust on live TV is something one never forgets

[@buzzedalldrink9131]

yes! turned to dust, not collapsed or exploded.

[@timjohnson7580]

PTSD for the whole nation. That was the intent.

[@buzzedalldrink9131]

@@timjohnson7580 the the intent was to get the nation to back the invasion of Iraq. It was an inside job just like Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen so the nation would back entering World War II.

[@10MM-MAGAMAN-420]

​@@timjohnson7580lmao hardly. You kids throw that around too much .

[@timjohnson7580]

@@10MM-MAGAMAN-420 I think watching people jump out of a skyscraper to avoid fire was traumatizing for a lot of people. I'm not saying it's going to war, but my wife has PTSD from seeing her mom's car that was Coke canned from a thief who hit her at 100mph. There are different traumas, witnessing that was traumatic. Weird to deny. I'm 33, not sure I'm in the generation that says that but whatever makes you feel better...

[@lesliemartin3]

I am amazed by how much information I still learn about 9/11 each time i watch some sort of documentary. To me, it is so interesting that the elevator breakdown showed the exact route people were taking to get out of the building. In 23 years i never knew there were different elevators that either avoided floors altogether or only took people to certain levels. I literally pictured a bank of elevators at each floor with 110 buttons each. This may not seem like a crazy fact to discover but to have a certain breakdown of events in your head for so long to find out these little variations is a bit jarring.

[@el-maiki]

All skycrappers like these have multiple elevators that go through different floors and use sky lobbies. It’s a piece of information that people who are not familiar with buildings do not know. It’s pretty bad that tv news, newspaper, etc do not explain these things when reporting these things as they difficult the full understanding of these historical facts

[@TreeCraftbyAndrew]

You should read the book “Where did the Towers go” by Dr Judy Wood That’s a Jarr-and-a-half!

[@McStruggles]

I think it's jarring to learn little details like that because it's something you've seen or can easily imagine. It makes it more real and reminds you that this is somewhat recent. That this isn't distant history in some far off land. At least that's what it is for me. I was barely 1 year old when 9/11 happened but it's so surreal to see photos like this and hear stories from my family. Like my grandpa was a portchester firefighter and almost went into the city for this but was told as he was suiting up "We have enough firefighters for now".

[@WarmOreoMilk]

I can *DEFINITELY* tell you why this *person* wants to *remain* anonymous. 1.) *Privacy* issues. 2.) They don’t want to be put into the *MANY*conspiracy* *theories* that have been *floating* around for YEARS! 3.) Survivors guilt. That’s all❕

[@wheedler]

The best way to avoid being the subject of conpiracy theories is to act mysteriously and hide your identity.

[@averagegeek3957]

@@wheedler Is it so hard to believe that someone wants to be left alone?

[@vitalsignscritical]

@@averagegeek3957 Sometimes it's easier to be left alone, once your honest and let everything out in the open so all your cards are on the table and have nothing to gain from mis-reacounting events you were present at directly.

[@averagegeek3957]

@@vitalsignscritical Please clarify what you mean. What is there to be "honest" about? Right now it sounds like you are insinuating that there's something dishonest about not wanting contact from conspiracy theorists.

[@TheGoldenCapstone]

"Conspiracy theories" you mean pointing out inconsistencies and connecting factual points?

[@milk-ub9zo]

This is obviously someone that wants to stay anonymous. It's someone that most likely suffers with survivor's guilt. I do not believe the search is malicious but now that we know these details I don't think it should go further unless the photographer wishes to come forward with details.

[@WobblesandBean]

Agreed. Please leave this woman alone.

[@Ryan-cb1ei]

Totally agree. Given the very end of the video, someone knows who the photographer is and doesn’t want to say. Very likely survivors guilt as this photographer (or let’s just say person who took the pictures) escaped minutes before disaster and that many people they likely knew died. Def a traumatic event

[@thishandleisnotavailableso..]

There might be a lead for this: there is an NPR interview where they talk to 3 people who were in Windows of the World on that morning before the planes hit and survived. They were the last people to leave windows of the world before the attack. However, it is important to note that the article makes no mention of a photographer and states that they all ate there that morning.

[@MellyVuong]

NEW JORGE UPLOAD THANK U FOR MAKING MY DAY BETTER!!!!

[@MegumiTRD]

HI MELLY!

[@dertythegrower]

You only said that to get attention, bot.

[@dertythegrower]

you blocked me and hearted a bot... wow

[@MegumiTRD]

@@dertythegrower damn bro who hurt you 💀

[@Adosoni]

You're One Of Favourite Artists:D

[@loganmiller7827]

I was wondering why Colleen Kelley can't be/hasn't been contacted. She clearly knows who it is, the last minute update section really proves that. Is there something I'm missing on why that hasn't happened?

[@NemesisOgreKing]

She's from an older generation and probably does not view internet journalism as "legitimate". It's also possible she just doesn't want to talk to strangers on the internet about the events where she lost her brother.

[@Somethingaweful]

Well she probably might know the gender and what happened. And doesn’t know the name. Or she doesn’t actually know what happened and is making educated guesses. Honestly I think it’s the latter. Anyway. I’m pretty sure harassing and flooding her email with questions about 9/11 is pretty messed up. And probably might be the reason why people don’t reach out to her. Or she doesn’t respond.

[@loganmiller7827]

@Somethingaweful I did a quick Google search to see if she was still alive, which she is, and it seems like she's still heavily involved in groups like Peaceful Tomorrows. She did an interview representing the organization just last month. So, at least in the sense of her not wanting to talk about it anymore, it doesn't seem like that's the case. I don't know, if she doesn't wanna be contacted, that's fine. The video just didn't mention anything about why she hasn't been contacted, so I wasn't sure why she hadn't been

[@Somethingaweful]

Nvm. Got an ad before the last minute update. Now I’m pretty sure the photographer just wants to be left alone. And Colleen knows the photographer because she took multiple photos of that day that she only showed to victims of the family. My guess is that Colleen don’t want to oust the photographer as the photographer wants to be left alone due to survivors guilt. Hopefully people don’t go spamming Colleen’s inbox with questions about this. This seems very personal to both the photographer and Colleen.

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

Hi, She has been contacted, if you listen at the end I had an update about speaking to her organization, she does not have public contact info because like many outspoken 9/11 survivors they get harassed and constantly bothered by all sorts of nuts, so I chose to go through the proper channels and they forwarded my information to her, now hopefully we hear back.

[@TIMEPPF]

The photographer didn't necessarily survive by the skin of their teeth. They only needed to be below the impact and chances are they would have gotten out. Sure some died in elevators but she could have been in a stairwell, or stopped to talk to someone while waiting for an elevator and once the plane hit, she would have 102 minutes to leave, it wasn't as if the buildings collapsed instantly. If she left at 8:30, than 16 minutes would have been plenty of time to get to down in an elevator.

[@michlo3393]

There was an express elevator that ran from the lobby to the restaurant on the top floor. It was so fast your ears would pop. If they left at 8:30 with the intent to leave the building, they would have been on the street 10 minutes before AA11 would come in. Easily.

[@HiFiWright]

And let's not forget, that even if they were in the lobby that they very well may have lived, much like the 14 firefighters who were there and all lived when they collapsed....let that sink in. Oh that's a true story by the way, I'm not even being a smartass. Because we all know that not only when jet fuel burns steel beams it mysteriously causes all the floors to collapse, but apparently that also means that it makes them strangely just disappear into a cloud of dust rather than ever even hitting the ground hence most of the nearby buildings and vehicle largely only damaged by extreme rust, all while any natural paper, leather, even trees....unharmed. don't go down the rabbit hole. You won't like what you find as the only explanation for everything as physics possibly allots for.

[@HiFiWright]

But if you do decide to run for it, I'll save you a lot of your precious time- Dr. Judy Wood - Where did the Towers Go?

[@mariawhite7337]

I just hope that whoever took the picture is doing alright.

[@thehapagirl92]

The boomer who took the photo is thriving and not knowing that their children’s fellow millennials are trying to find out who they are. Let’s hope their millennial kids stumble upon this photo

[@kalliegreen2151]

Fantastic video. Very vascinating. 9/11 is probably one of the most distinct memories I have from childhood. I didn’t live anywhere near New York and I’m telling you the world fell silent. It was absolutely bizarre. This story was interesting, keep up the good work!

[@charlesmiv3842]

what do you mean "the world fell silent"?

[@jessicahannah2522]

It was bizarre. I lived on the west coast, Seattle. And when the skies went silent in an area with an international airport, two military airfields and many small airfields, it was too silent. And we were on high alert. To the point that one night, while sound asleep in the early morning hours, I sat straight up from a dead sleep to the sound of an aircraft in the skies. Having been silent for days at that point, and in an area that could be a target, that was terrifying to hear. Took only a moment to recognize the sound of a military jet, patrolling the skies over Puget Sound and for my heart rate to settle back down. We were scared. I didn't sleep the rest of that night, found myself sitting at my kitchen table at 4 a.m. drinking coffee and watching more coverage on the state of the world at that moment, waiting for the sun to rise over Seattle.

[@jalapenorz]

I swear the mouse click sfx gets louder with each video

[@nickpineau4139]

I would assume a person with a camera, but the jury could still be out on that.

[@crzvm1lk]

man im over here tryna watch some youtube why they recommending me diddy?🤨

[@limerencevictim]

no

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Perhaps, but then again perhaps not

[@Gee-xb7rt]

Rather obvious a special mission by NASA penguins.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Gee-xb7rt the Penguins of Madagascar

[@PeterBondeVillain]

Oh hey, I'm in that community! It's a very respectful community and it does a great job of documenting the disasters on that day.

[@rossjohnstone4689]

I think these image mystery videos are some of the most interesting. There's just something about them thar makes them so intriguing, like a brief window into a forgotten past if that makes any sense.

[@re0294]

I’m assuming that the reason the photographer isn’t credited and isn’t coming forward is probably (as usual) because the photo is not owned by them, but whatever publication they were working for at the time. Very common for artists of any kind doing contract work. To be honest, I think it’s owned by one of the companies mentioned here and they just don’t know it, like the one employee said, they lost a large part of their physical archives at one point.

[@Capochetta]

As someone who had family in the towers, I feel like this should be a search for the additional photos but not the photographer. Without giving too much personal info, I know someone that was the sole survivor of her office simply because she ran down to the shops on the first floor before going up to work. I cannot begin to tell you the level of survivor's guilt and the nightmares that the decision to go shopping has had on her. It might be the same for the person who took this picture. Can you imagine the horror of knowing that you were that close to death, so much so that everyone you were just talking to were not so lucky, all because of something so mundane as your camera malfunctioning (or whatever the reason was)? All this to say: maybe this person does not want to be found, not for privacy reasons but for their mental health. I'm not calling out anyone on the search here. I know all too well how important it is to document the human side of 9/11. But maybe if we hit a dead end in this search, maybe don't disturb the dead. P.S. About the pronouns: it was a trend in business and professional writing in the 80's to use 'she' instead of 'he' for an unknown person of unknown gender before people more frequently started using the more commonly and casually used 'they/them' in professional settings. That might explain the one instance of 'she.' Note that I'm going off of memory for this statement, so I might be wrong, but I did used to teach writing and rhetoric, so I'm about 90% sure it was the mid to late 80s that 'she' was a preferred ambiguous pronoun in some circles.

[@patriciafischer9591]

On the pronoun usage, I'm from the era and I can confirm that was common in writing practice I picked up reading older books. By the 90s it was going by the way side in education but the generation of editors taught before that would have most likely used 'she' as common parlance for unknown gendered individuals. It was considered novel and more proper when I was growing up to defer to using 'they/them' when gender was unknown. It was quite normal still though to read in most media (from prior the 80s) that authority figures were always labeled as 'he/him'. The 80s were when that changed and the new hip thing was to try to use 'she' more. Business and technical writing changed a lot from the 80s, 90s to early 00s. Most likely a lot of people working in the media field by 2001 would have been educated in the mid to late 80s. See this paper for details on the subject: The Nonsexist Word Finder: A Dictionary of Gender-Free Usage, Rosalie Maggio, Beacon Press (1989). ISBN 0807060011

[@YaYousef5]

Reminds me of when people talk fondly of their cars... They usually call it a she. "She drove smoothly." Etc

[@honeycrispsnail4032]

@@YaYousef5 same with boats, always a “she”

[@mooganify]

People used she?

[@smellylorenny]

But the speech was from 2021 wasn’t it?

[@realmoviefactsnotfake]

Imagine having survivor’s guilt n not wanting to be identified then a bunch of fuckin internet nerds 20 years later start a hunt to track you down. Lmfao.

[@TallicaMan1986]

History is far far more important then your little survivors guilt.

[@NatetheNerdy]

And a factor why people are looking into you is because they can't understand why you wouldn't try to profit off of a tragedy

[@paulbrouillette6906]

Redditors are a weird bunch

[@realmoviefactsnotfake]

@@TallicaMan1986 ok and? You dont need ti know the photographer if they dont want to be known; you got your “history” with the photo. If the person wants to be left alone respect that. Imagine if you had guilt over something like this then a bunch of freaks online start hunting you down. Itd either lead to paranoia or cause serious PTSD. Somethings should be left alone. Who cares about your self righteousness.

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

This is a very real concern I had when bringing this idea to Jorge, but we will make sure if the person doesn't want to be identified, then we will respect that.

[@jessehutchings]

I think it is most likely that the photographer doesn't want the attention for taking that photo. However, it would be incredibly fascinating if they could be interviewed and we could learn exactly why they left and how they experienced surviving the disaster. I would have liked for you to attempt contacting Colleen Kelly because, like you said, she did seem to suggest that she had more information on the photographer than anyone else.

[@terrrell7798]

I was fourteen years old here in NYC when Twin Towers were destroyed. I also have 9/11 trauma, and whoever took the photo probably has 9/11 trauma as well.

[@Dionysos_____Alters]

Did you see the planes?

[@ssoomee]

Me too. I was also fourteen years old, and 9/11 was my first day of high school. I can relate. I’m only now fully processing the trauma I had from that day: I knew three people who died that day, and my father is a 9/11 survivor. 💔 Finally getting therapy has helped me immeasurably.

[@ssoomee]

@@Dionysos_____Alters I can’t speak for the commenter above, but I promise you, as a child experiencing that day, simply being in NYC, having that day change your life in NYC, you wouldn’t even need to see the planes hitting to have experienced trauma. I was at school and the radio was on. I heard observers screaming about seeing Tower Two hit. For many children like me, it was the first day of the school year. My father survived 9/11 but it was mistakenly implied to me that he died that morning. All the adults didn’t know what was going on, and then when they did they, despite all their maturity, were still at a loss of what to do. Not their fault of course, but being as old now as they would have been then, I am humble and honest enough to admit that I certainly wouldn’t have been able to cope with what happened enough to help any child overcome the fear and terror of that day. Trust me, you didn’t have to see the planes hit the towers. When I finally got home in the early afternoon (my mom picked me up and we had to walk all the way home, no buses/ trains were working, no one was driving a car) we were hearing from a neighbor that she was trying to find her mom and didn’t know where she was. She worked in Tower One. She did get out, but the stories she told about that day make me shudder, and she made it clear that she was censoring what she saw only because I, a child, was present. It left a hole in our lives, one minute you knew someone was there, the next they weren’t. For MONTHS the smell was shocking and horrific, and I remember all the adults mentioning it to each other with a look: I later realized they were referring to the smell of all the bodies of the people who died there, it permeated as far as 10 blocks away from Ground Zero. I smelled it once- I was with my father and he IMMEDIATELY got triggered and said ‘no, we’re leaving, let’s go’ and he never ever mentioned it again. Just writing this makes me relive a lot of what I suppressed from my childhood, and I am only now addressing and getting the therapy I need to heal. It’s been heartbreaking and cathartic, but my father has been 100% supportive about it. On the other hand, he categorically refuses to go down to the rebuilt area of the WTC, or even to discuss his feeling about that day; I respect that, and he respects my need to seek answers and peace. 🕊️ At the end of the day, we’re all just trying to heal and find peace.

[@notesscrotes4360]

Back in those days, there used to be a tech megastore called J&R across the street from the World Trade Center. It’d make sense to pop downstairs for more film or a replacement lens rental instead of lugging a bunch of stuff around if you were doing a shoot in lower Manhattan.

[@dialga236]

its actually insane that the 40 lost or banned episodes of kid tv shows and movies is 9 years old, ive been here that entire time and its kinda wild haha. anyways, this should be a banger :D

[@KoopaKid660]

That vid got me into lost media

[@AnimalAlmighty]

@@KoopaKid660i just got into it recently and been hooked

[@bloodrunsclear]

‘One of the few remaining Risk employees’ That hit hard

[@sunnyquinn3888]

It seems like for the past month or so, a lot of people have suddenly started thinking about 9/11 again like they haven't for many years. It could just be me, but that's what I'm feeling.

[@jenniferhorstmann2279]

Because Traitor Joe has allowed millions of invaders into our country and we are under great terrorist threat again.

[@theskycavedin]

I feel like it's because more and more footage from 9/11 is coming out as time goes on. So the information to dive into keeps growing. People like me were very young or not alive yet so it's interesting to witness all of this evidence that was taken as it was happening.

[@samot1808]

It’s probably just you. The algorithm decided you’d like that content so now you see it everywhere. But it’s not the same for everybody.

[@sunnyquinn3888]

That makes sense. Gen Z are becoming young adults now and starting to think about themselves and their lives in relation to the times they're living in and the times before that helped shape who they are. A lot of people are starting to get curious about what was going on in history around the time they were born, like how a few years ago when it was the Millennials turn and it seemed like everyone was obsessed with the 1980s and 90s.

[@sunnyquinn3888]

Or it could just be that, lol. Seems like everything comes down to the algorithm these days.

[@little_bergnid]

I can definitely postulate that the black and white image and the colored image are completely different scans of the same film (if it was even film). I think this because of the difference of resolution between the two images, it's almost like the black and white one was scanned with actual equipment for high resolution colored scanning and was just printed as a black and white image, and the colored image was later either found as film and scanned on a regular printer-scanner (printer-scanners do not provide high quality images) or somehow lost resolution later on

[@Luke-lv4ql]

Blameitonjorge has an ability to make a non creepy subject creepy.

[@ParanoidPaper]

A “last photo” story related to one of the most monumentally traumatic world events being described as a “non creepy subject” is interesting to say the least.

[@averyeml]

1) privacy is totally okay and even normal if you survived or narrowly missed something horrific. A completely valid coping mechanism (in my eyes) would be to just not bring it up. 2) similarly but not the same, if I narrowly missed it and had taken some pictures that would be boring and routine and forgettable if they weren’t attached to a national disaster, I might not be opening every book looking to see if my random business pictures were included, so the photographer may have no idea they’re being looked for. 3) if they were close enough to being in the building during the crash that you’re having to time elevator trips, the person may not have survived or may have been close to the building and gotten caught in the debris, which was also lethal in the long term. In conjunction with my second bit, if the photographer did get caught in the debris cloud they could have died before they had the chance to see people looking for them. 4) also, it’s New York City in a deeply busy business building. Not only is it possible that a photographer wouldn’t be running themselves up and down that building for a loaded SD card or roll of film or what have you, it’s almost guaranteed they’d use a courier or errand runner. They’re super common for small tasks like taking documents and files and things like memory cards from place to place quickly. So the actual photographer may not have left the building at all. Edit: I hope Colleen Kelly is right, but given the flexibility of human memory and storytelling, I don’t take her word as gospel.

[@giorno5119]

i was born Dec 94 and i remember watching the news before the towers fell not fully understanding what was going on. I remember asking my pop if my uncle was okay and he had called him for me and made sure to tell me he was okay even though he was no where near WTC

[@alexqg7007]

we are so back with the documentaries

[@nightxgoat]

Do we even have any evidence that this image was taken on September 11 2001? Is it possible it was taken at the conference the year before and then misattributed as being taken before the attacks in 2001?

[@rabbitsonjupiter6824]

My thoughts exactly. Could have been taken any time.

[@ruili2104]

but the sister of the man in the photo said that her brother did not have the chance to attend that annual conference until 2001, so it should be taken on 2001

[@nightxgoat]

@@ruili2104 oh I must have missed that, thanks!

[@rabbitsonjupiter6824]

@@nightxgoat I must have missed that too, lol.

[@dena81]

As someone who was an adult on 9/11 and was across the river in NJ.... That day, that week, the several months after were insanely traumatic. I remember the week itself was filled with constant announcing of identified bodies, announcing missing people, providing the number to call if your loved one was missing. I took the NY train line to college and I remember that particular station lost so many passengers that died in the towers. At the time the World Trade Center was the business hub in New York. If you were a major company, you had an office there. A good chunk of the NY metro area (which is inclusive of at least 3 states) were all in that building, let alone the first responders that additionally died trying to save them. And I know a good amount of people that used to work there or nearby who saw the attacks happen as they looked out the window. I even got to see the aftermath from my town's beach and smell the smoke afterwards for several days. It was traumatic and I can see someone actually being there and maybe slipping out right before feeling some type of survivor's guilt and just wanting to do the best that they can to push that memory as far back as possible. I do hope people will respect them if they do find them and ask to be left alone. And I hope that they are living a full life in peace and knowing none of this was their fault.

[@RickGamesNow]

I would love to have some background on this photo. It really looks like the guy on the left is agitated and arguing with the guy on the right. Also, I don't blame the photographer for not coming forward, they probably had a massive amount of survivors guilt.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong), that the two on the right were there together and knew each other. The one on the left is -iirc - the one who makes the 911 call. I don't get the sense they were arguing, just that they were at two different levels of enthusiasm for whatever discussion they were engaged in.

[@RickGamesNow]

@@fuzzydunlop7928 The other thing that's kinda weird. Maybe it's just me, but the guy in the background looks like he's looking out the window. I know the plane hit a few minutes later. But, It just irks me a bit.

[@firewalk27]

Going thru such a rough time right now and seeing a blame it on Jorge video pop up made my day a lil bit, now I can fall down this rabbit hole instead of spiraling in my own despair.

[@HotelMari0Maker]

I hope things get better for you. Many of us are going through some pretty rough times and we’re all just sorta trying to hang in there.

[@LostHorizons0]

“Look at this photograph” 🥴

[@dertythegrower]

What does that even mean, kid.... explain

[@gabrielgian6207]

Look at this graph 📈🧔‍♀️

[@caitlynsult2685]

@@dertythegrower💀

[@ChristopherKelley100]

​@@dertythegrower Everytime i do it makes me laugh.

[@nevaeh9125]

Look at this graaaph 📈📉

[@animationfilmstuff]

My theory is that an "Official" photographer did NOT take this photo. Remember, 35mm film when scanned is high quality. This looks like a picture taken by a flip phone or cell phone during the conference. I think the person who took this photo on their cellphone either sent the photo over text [which WAS possible at that time] and then perished or they escaped and then sent it anonymously. The person who received this image most likely sent it over to the NYT anonymously and that why the photographer is unknown.

[@tanya-xoxo]

This is what I think. I don't think they made it out, and your theory that it was taken with a flip phone or similar and then hastily texted to someone once things started happening makes the most sense.

[@tapiocattundra]

it only looks like that way because that's the best quality Color source, in the book there's a black and white cropped version that looks much better

[@KrystyneY]

Most phones didn't have cameras in 2001

[@KrystyneY]

​@@tanya-xoxoPeople didn't send texts and send files over the phone in 2001

[@matt17389]

@@KrystyneYPretty sure my dad had a nokia cell phone over here in australia in 2000/2001 exact. as i remember going to america in 2002 and him having a tiny cell. sharp release the first phone with camera in november 2000 the j-sh04

[@foxyfoxington2651]

Whoever took this photo clearly wants their privacy and you should probably respect that.

[@wheedler]

How can you tell?

[@averagegeek3957]

@@wheedler Because the photographer is not seeking attribution for the photo.

[@HLWolf]

It's the same for german photographers from WW2

[@amentco8445]

I can see why most of them wouldn't have wanted to have been known, and several would have likely died sometime after taking the pictures they did.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

Well that’s a bit different since you know they obviously would want to avoid any perceived association with the Nazis

[@johnprager662]

There's a documentary called "Mein Krieg" about a few different German soldiers who brought video cameras with them to the front. It's available in full on youtube

[@jsrsd]

I bet anything that the film made it out but the photographer didn't. I know it's not Occam's but I give sd cards to friends for safekeeping at shows I photograph now. I could entirely imagine someone from a photo event team giving a reel or whatever to a teammate who left, and they stuck around for more content.

[@BetweenTwoTowers]

This is a very real consideration, in you watch the missing on 9/11 disposable camera episode, the host momentarily posits this idea but doesn't expand on it.

[@ridleyroid9060]

I don't find it hard to believe that this photographer simply wants to forget this ever happened because of what it reminds them off. I can think of a myriad other reasons as to why the photographer of this photo didn't really ever come out publicaly.

[@33moneyball]

Nobody finds it hard to believe….we still want to know who they are.

[@chelseahindle3645]

I don’t know, this makes me really uncomfortable. Why do people need to know? It seems obvious that the photographer has either asked Colleen to respect their privacy, or that they’ve died since and Colleen doesn’t want to reveal their identity out of respect. Just leave it alone.

[@WobblesandBean]

Agreed. Between Two Towers even commented saying they knew Colleen doesn't want to be contacted, yet went ahead and found a way to contact her anyway. That's extremely scummy.

[@FreddySneakers]

there were probably a number of nameless photographers creating an image pool that morning.

[@experi-mentalproductions5358]

She could have just been using "she" as a general term for someone she doesn't know. As I (a male) will often use "he" when referring to an unknown or hypothetical person.

[@Utonian21]

Why wouldn't she just say "they", then? Considering her brother was in the picture, it wouldn't surprise me if the photographer personally reached out to her

[@ankokunokayoubi]

​@@Utonian21 I think it's not a common practice at the time.

[@leandro6285]

​@@ankokunokayoubiwasn't her statement on 2021?

[@MrShanester117]

I always thought it was Jorge like how you pronounce it in Spanish with an H 🤷‍♂️

[@LostHorizons0]

Same hore-hey that’s how it’s spelled. That’s how I say it

[@blameitonjorge]

This question will haunt me to my final breath, but legally it’s with the H, but I get called “George” too and that just rolls of the tongue better lol

[@MrShanester117]

@@blameitonjorge lol

[@hozonkai9967]

@@blameitonjorge I was just wondering that too! So... Mystery Solved! ....right?

[@the-experiment]

⁠​⁠@@blameitonjorgeI have been calling you “George” in my mind ever since I discovered your channel and always thought it was wrong, turns out I’ve been right this entire time 😭

[@VeilStar]

1:40 12:18 15:34 What's up with the editing making the screenshotted text illegible?

[@dertythegrower]

yeah, serves no purpose... and the one on the end he unblurred so the Ai could easily still see it

[@lorenzomendez9291]

Thank you, I was watching this and was about to comment on the same thing. I'm not really sure what the editing does other than like you said, "Making the screenshoted text illegible." Update: Just saw Jorge post 2 minutes ago saying the video is corrupted.

[@theonlyenicfanever5346]

According to Jorge, it’s corrupted footage 🤷

[@mooganify]

Thought it was just being creepy

[@Dup1o.2]

Bro did not read the pinned comment at all

[@Dreamingdusk]

Thank you for providing a link to the music used! I wish more youtubers would do so. Also thank you for another great video in general too!

[@MrSmith1984]

I wonder why Bloomberg denied having the photograph taken by one of their employees when said photograph was literally credited to them, at least originally.

[@el-maiki]

You’d be surprised at how little companies like these have awareness of the existence of specific images or historical documentation in their archives

[@MrSmith1984]

@@el-maiki I get that (I believe a compulsory donation policy to the Library of Congress/National Archives should be in place), but Bloomberg could have simply said "We don't have the photograph". Instead they clearly decided to lie and got found out as a result.

[@aaronbrewington2404]

I strongly believe this was an employee for a company attending the conference taking photos for internal usage. After spending years in journalism, I did comms for a company. This is comms. That is NOT a professional photographer. Composition and quality scream amateur. I know get a couple dozen photos, then coffee, a doughnut, and cigarette before getting back to the office… This is get in and get some time for me. Moral: f*ck off whenever you can. It'll save your life

[@chombus2602]

But if that were the case, the person would not have left the building at that time

[@aaronbrewington2404]

@@chombus2602 I’m not following. My theory is the person got some photos and then left. Going somewhere to process photos, back to the office, or going and killing some time

[@beepsalt]

please leave her alone, she doesn't owe you anything just because she took this picture

[@vitalsignscritical]

Do you know something?

[@beepsalt]

@@vitalsignscritical yes, how to be a good person

[@samuelG009]

These pepole will hunt her down untill shes found, dragged out into the light then probably be disappointed at a not very interesting story about the pic.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

I’m also inclined to believe it was a Bloomberg photographer or a photographer hired by Bloomberg. When you look at that photo, you can tell that the center subject is that Bloomberg display and along with NYT crediting Bloomberg in their original article, it just kinda fits. Bloomberg is a media company too after all… so why would they not want photos of this event? What has probably happened here is that due to 9/11 and the chaos happening amongst media companies at the time, proper documentation wasn’t kept. Especially if this was a contractor they brought in last minute after Ron was fired, perhaps he/she sent some images to Bloomberg days or months thereafter and then held onto the rest. More recently, when that someone at Bloomberg attempted to track down the photo, they didn’t find anything because proper documentation wasn’t kept and/or the person who was provided the images (and provided them to NYT) in 2002 isn’t around anymore. There was just so much going on in the months and years after 9/11.

[@Tunda2]

This reminds me of the photographer from the racing anime “Overtake.” He was an up and coming photographer and happened to be in Fukushima during the disaster. Long story short he saw a little girl who he couldn’t help and took a picture and immediately developed a PTSD fear of taking pictures of people.

[@jesterking1]

I have PTSD from 911. I lost 3 friends that day.

[@TurtleMarcus]

The native name of my country, norway, is "Norge", so every new upload there is a split second where I misread it as "Blame it on Norge" and think he is Norwegian.

[@isaacwithapig]

favorite spots to visit near oslo? also do u like stavanger or bergen more?

[@Fyrdman]

​@@isaacwithapigthey're both shitholes

[@relo999]

Well he isn't Swedish so no reason to blame it on Norway.

[@debbystardust]

Thank you for the video. I’ve been thinking about 9/11 recently because of the upcoming movie, Long Legs. The director, Osgood Perkins, has said the film is “about his mother”the widow of Anthony Perkins who played Norman Bates in Psycho. His mother, Berry Berenson, was on one of the planes involved in 9/11 and did not survive. I’m a big fan of Anthony Perkins and her death was very sad. I think Anthony Perkins performance as Norman Bates is the best acting ever recorded on film.

[@bubsimodragon]

Jorge: Do you recognize this image? Me: Yes, from the thumbnail

[@cathcolwell2197]

I could see why someone would want to distance themselves from any connection to this event.

[@puffball4484]

Honestly if I took this picture I also wouldn't say anything. People who escaped those buildings are still being hounded for interviews years later. Some give them willingly but I imagine many more are asked for interviews and dont give them. She probably just wanted to leave this behind. Who can blame her.

[@VladMan97]

I like how sometimes jorge says jorge as "george" and sometimes as "horhe" and its different per video

[@bunnytheknoxville]

i’ve had the worst two days ever, i’m so happy to have a blameitonjorge video. :(

[@wurstbrat.]

Hope things get better soon!

[@bunnytheknoxville]

@@wurstbrat. thank you, i really appreciate it ❤️

[@Kolesha]

Keep your head up high

[@bunnytheknoxville]

@@Kolesha thank you, i’m trying ❤️

[@AnimalAlmighty]

Same. But we gone be alright.

[@jordan3972]

17:56 He can claim that no photographer would just leave because their camera malfunctioned, but he can't know that for sure. It's a fallacious argument.

[@alpetterson9452]

Note. In this video it's said that it isn't clear how the sister of Bill Kelly Jr knew the photographer was a woman. But I find it equally strange how the video maker KNEW the photographer must have been male. Nothing to do with implied sexism, just the assumption that something can ONLY be one way and surprise when that assumption turns out to be incorrect. NOTE: Also at 18:02 the video maker says the photographer left because of a camera malfunction. BUT previously he/she gave a 2nd explanation - that the photographer was also late for an appointment. NOTE: John Lloyd gives HIS side of the story. There are usually at least TWO sides to every story. NOTE: The video maker 'assumes' the photographer '...seemingly... wants to remain anonymous'. No evidence is given that this is the case. It certainly doesn't SEEM to me that they do (given the details in this video) but it is a possibility. Final NOTE. There is an assumption that the photo was taken at 8:30am. No one actually says it was DEFINEATELY taken at this time.

[@traumgeist]

The resolution of the picture is very low for a picture developed from 35mm film. It looks more like a still shot taken from a video.

[@tima-mr_lindex264]

How did you determine this? The book and digital images are too compressed to make any conclusions about whether it was shot on film or digital.

[@Rossweise]

Well, lets do this logically: The Facts (assuming all said was true): The guy who was supposed to do the job was fired a very short time before the conference The Photographer left the conference because her camera broke AND/OR because they had another gig Most experienced photographers keep back ups on them for exactly that case, but this one didn't A Family member of the victims in the Photo seems to know who the photographer is, but only ever gave out their gender The photographer never sough recognition for the photo My speculation: The photographer was (maybe) relatively young and (maybe) inexperienced, hired on short notice in the same day she already had another gig, (maybe she wasn't THAT inexperienced, but avoided conflict by telling a lie about the camera breaking so she could get to the other job she already had lined up). She left the building through the express elevator. Later, after her brush with death, probably traumatized, she decides to reach out to the families and asks them to be kept anonymous, not wanting to be involved in the tragedy or take part in the narrative, either because of trauma, or deeply personal reasons that we just can't know or speculate on...

[@sammitaylor3942]

This is so far an interesting video to listen to while at work. Makes me wonder how we are still getting photos even after all these years

[@stun2187]

Sounds like Colleen Kelly stopped by to take a picture of her brother

[@billtree52]

My theory: the person who took this photo died in the days following or died not much longer after from something unrelated. Cutting it that close to the timeline it's entirely possible they may have still been on the ground in the area and survived, but was injured somehow and might've succumbed to those injuries later, after handing the film off. Just a thought.

[@cal5365]

The Photographer is probably living even now with intense survivors guilt, Be the better person and let them stay private. Not everyone wants recognition, especially for such a tragedy

[@guyk768]

Who took this photograph? The photographer of course.📸😎

[@79Bobola]

I’m on that 9/11 archive subreddit, and you are correct, everyone is very respectful when discussing that day. As soon as I saw your thumbnail, I knew exactly what picture this was.

[@Buynlargeinc]

At the very beginning of the video about the photographer’s path, there was a mistake - the express elevators also stopped on the 106th floor, the photographer did not need to go up to the 107th floor in order to go down the express elevator. It is very weird to miss this fact for such a detailed analysis.

[@klizzard1691]

Honestly it’s probably just a case of survivors guilt and we should just let them live in peace without having them think about it.

[@RidKain]

Half wouldnt be surprised if it came out the photographer died during 911 and the film was recovered from the building

[@leftisbest6669]

Maybe someone else took the photographer’s camera when leaving the tower after the plane exploded. And the photographer never made it out, and the person who took the camera released the photo but didn’t want to take credit for it, out of guilt. Idk just an idea.

[@randomtinypotatocried]

Honestly I'm in that boat of this being the case. It's not usual for a photographer having an assistant (or two) with them to run and get errands done for them while shooting

[@nonconnahordeath]

As others have said, I'm really torn between 'it's so important to document even the smallest minutiae from that day so it's never, ever forgotten' and 'this person may have passed from debris complications or literally any other reason over this many years, or they may just want to be left alone due to the trauma of what they experienced or a valid fear that the Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams crowd might completely re-traumatize them. Maybe let this one stay a mystery.'

[@MYukiProd]

As others stated, she probably had survivor's guilt. and as for why she left cause her camera broke, she probably wasn't a professional photographer since the pro was fired at the last minute. they probably sent someone from the office who was not a real photographer there with just one camera/no backup equipment. I also think the phrase "taken within minutes of the attacks" is a little misleading. I think of "within minutes" as in like under 10 minutes, and I'm guessing most people do, but technically, "within minutes" could be anything under one hour. It's early in the morning, but it was already second period in school by the time it happened (same time zone). we started things early back then..

[@reily6488]

Perhaps the photos are still under investigation by the US government and the photographer doesn't want people coming up to them asking about the photos when they are forbidden from doing so. Lots of footage is still unreleased pending investigation, even though it is now well over 20 years later. I don't think it would be a stretch to assume the photographer was interviewed and told to not release any more photographs to the public.

[@p4ngolin]

for anyone in the comments wondering why sourcing the photo is important : this is for traceability and fact checking. it will also establish a more precise timeline of events. If you don't know the source and context of a picture, facts can be manipulated more easily by tweaking the truth. If yall think that attributing a photo is not important, I fear that you have a very low level of critical thinking (which is weird for people who watch such a channel) Edit : also relevant that BTT is AN ARCHIVE project. You can't just put stuff in an archive without a source.

[@dylry86]

Anonymity. She’s had over twenty years to come forward and hasn’t. She survived 9/11 in the nick of time and probably has an enormous amount to g survivor’s guilt. She doesn’t need the hassle from reporters and the public eye.

[@renanalves6524]

Do you think Kevin Flynn couldn’t have been deceived about this photograph when he posted it in the newspaper? Because the fact that photographic companies have nothing in their records about that day is at least strange. The quality of the photo is horrible, in 2001, even the cameras that captured the planes colliding with the towers were better. For a photographic company to have such poor quality is, at the very least, strange. Could this photo have been taken inside the WTC, but in a different year? It’s very strange for a photographer to leave the building just because his camera broke, they all have extensive equipment.

[@AACSandman]

Searching about this I even found a piece of propaganda from earlier that year talking about the event from Waters Technology that would take place on September 11-12, 2001. Such a morbid curiosity there. There's still a news from two days after the tragedy ("Risk Waters Group seeks information on WTC conference delegates") saying that the company they had (or still have until this day?) a list of all names of the people atending the event and were matching who was who to see who survived or sadly passed away. Interesting.

[@pillowslept731]

Been supporting you since day 1 bro I remember when you got viral on WorldStar hip hop like 10 years ago 🙏🏾 support to my Latino brother ‼️‼️‼️

[@BradDanyluk]

I don't understand the point of this video if it's not to just dox the person who took the picture, If they don't want to be claim this, why not just leave it at that?