Who Were These Games Made For?

Howdy there folks. Made a video questioning why these games keep getting made, and how they get greenlit in the first place. This isn't a video as to why they failed. That's a dead topic and I'd just be beating a dead horse. Anyways I'm sure no one reads this, but my next video will be about John Marston, and the many themes of Red Dead Redemption.
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[@thehawkdiesel]

Did I use AI artwork for my chapter titles? Sure fucking did! Call it a filler background for my talking points lol anyways what game do you think is a victim of money hungry monetization schemes? Curious to hear all of your thoughts and resentments.

[@Spartan_gold1]

How about good Ol’ Madden the hadden

[@thehawkdiesel]

@@Spartan_gold1bring back NFL Street

[@slainmyth5865]

​@@thehawkdiesel blitz the league was fun to

[@liaminator4950]

Well i was gonna watch this, but thanks for the incentive not to!

[@platypusnoise]

Spider-Man 2, not from monetization but it seemed like Sweet Baby got a hold of it

[@swordguy1243]

They're trying to make Fortnite success but anyone who plays Fortnite will forever only play Fortnite . That bus is gone and it's not coming back

[@mr.eternal4439]

Kind of , they want to create a mediocre product and for the audience give their hard earn dollars away mindlessly

[@ailma0400]

Exactly this lmao, I only have time for one live service game I’m intended to play indefinitely and have absolutely zero interest in playing more than Fortnite any more than just that and doing dailies and dividing up my time to play one thing one day and smth else another, it just becomes work at that point

[@sonicrunn3r895]

I think the big problem executives aren't realising when they dump millions into a live service is that you need a VERY good reason for people to actually come to your game over Fortnite, and also you need to strike at the right time when Fortnite has a mini-exodus of players. The first of which just does not happen because these games are shoved out long before anything but the cosmetic store is ready, and the latter of which is a lightning in a bottle event. When even mega-hit brands can't make a dent in Fortnite's pie you know it's not possible to brute force

[@tekkadawn6685]

Not true epic actually takes pride in their game and you can see and hear the passion behind their updates, same with Warframe. You’re allowed to play Fortnite and any other game you want 😂😂😂 devs have trouble caring about their game just chasing what they think are trends probably the companies fault

[@sp123]

They got flying carpets and mechas in NBA2K for the same reason

[@darksidegryphon5393]

*"Who Were These Games Made For?* Investors.

[@Mgauge]

Ones who haven't quite wrapped their heads around the idea that the fact that there's only a finite amount of wealth in the world means that profits can't actually always grow.

[@-DEATH_LORD]

​@@Mgauge Even when they have everything, they want more.

[@mizuko6132]

Basically they’re trying to make Fortnite/GTA online. Every company wants one. It’s why there’s not a lot of focus on regular single player games.

[@ultimatesharpzgaming3186]

Fr man single player gamers rule for people!!

[@SleepyMook]

Single player games > multiplayer games any day of the week for me

[@CyrusIsnt]

Destiny was the goal and Gotham knights is a bit different then the others

[@SquattingSiorai]

An actual reasonable fan criticizing the culture itself is something I’m happy to see, good commentary

[@killuafanboy3812]

Suicide squad in particular kinda feels like hate towards Arkham fans. Especially with Harley's speech to Batman before she "killed" him. I refuse to believe that Bruce doesn't wear a bullet-proof mask XD

[@lightdarksoul2097]

He does but does it matter when his lower face is right there

[@Sammy-qx5mx]

I'm guessing he's going with the logic that the brain is more important. It's not that a shot to the mouth or jaw wouldn't be devastating, but it definitely wouldn't kill as fast as a direct shot to the cranium​@@lightdarksoul2097

[@CyrusIsnt]

​@@lightdarksoul2097no it doesnt

[@killuafanboy3812]

@@CyrusIsnt It does when it looks like she shot him in the forehead.

[@CyrusIsnt]

@@killuafanboy3812 arent they fight robots mostly? She has armor piercing rounds clear

[@JBERNZ]

BBL Brainiac is crazy🤣

[@thehawkdiesel]

Double cheeked up on a Thursday afternoon!

[@nightwing1491]

@@thehawkdiesel 🤣

[@elin111]

The answer is a lot simpler: Those were money sucking live services not real videogames of course they were gonna fail. Gotham Knights very obviously was going to be a live service but they chickened out and tried to take out the live service but couldn't do so enough.

[@marks2807]

You can blame fortnight for all this. All theses game companies want their own fortnight, but don’t know what makes that game so popular.

[@kitothekito915]

@@marks2807wdym destiny and league of legends were popular before Save the World even emerged

[@CyrusIsnt]

Yeah, but what the failed is just not being enjoyable enough for people to want to play. Its 1 thing if its free and a live service. You can play it before buying anything. If you buy a game, and its not doing anything for you gameplay wise you wasted money.

[@Nothing_happening_here_go_away]

@@marks2807its not Fortnite fajlt that most companies sucks

[@Zuranthus]

soon as hollywood and wallstreet found out games could make money it was all over

[@Bird-Birdy-Love]

One word: GREED

[@almalone3282]

No it's incompetence. Greed would be making super safe choices like...making a Batman gane starring Batman.

[@SuperRamos619]

The sad thing is, Avengers is the best out of all of these games.

[@user-to4zl8wf2n]

You mean Gotham knights

[@iraford5788]

Agreed.

[@baki484]

Gotham knights is the best of these not that it means anything

[@markmagician2471]

That is a stretch Gotham Knights and Avengers are the same

[@Sagegabs]

Lol at least Avengers has more characters and a little more variety, GK has the Robins but no Batman 👎🏻 ​@@user-to4zl8wf2n

[@YellowPlagueProductions]

Gotham Knights is the best out of the bunch. I had some enjoyment from it, where as Avengers and Suicide Squad wasn't even worth the download.

[@Hunter_6601]

Made me wish they made a proper Arkham game with those Gotham knights police mechanics

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Yeah I agree. I enjoyed Gotham Knights, at least u could get stuff even if some grind was involved but loathed Avengers and didn’t play SSKTJL coz it looked bad.

[@PeopleRTheProblem]

I had more fun with avengers because the combat is better. Knights’ combat is so shallow and boring.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

Avengers was def most fun out of the 3 for me, Gotham knights felt slow and the combat was uninteresting and I never did or would have touched suicide squad. Majority of the characters in avengers had a bit of nuance to them (in the form of some characters just blatantly being better at and clearly made to do certain things others gameplay wise) as well as somewhat fun combat. The issue was the content, the characters they chose and ofc predatory monetization.

[@PeopleRTheProblem]

@@user-wy1et9dk9w I agree. I hated the enemy types in Avengers, but the hero move sets were as perfect as any game has even been (except for Wolverine). I loved playing as every character. They were all different save for Hawkeye and lady Hawkeye. It’s such a shame they fucked the combat with awful enemy types that made all hero moves and combos useless

[@captainamvv7135]

Pretty good video brother.. Couldn't believe it was a smaller KZbinr from the quality of the content

[@thehawkdiesel]

Appreciate that brother! I never stick to one lane so that’ll always hinder me lol.

[@ATLAS-cy4xi]

For me lil bro i played them all the way through except avengers

[@awsomeboy360]

When it comes to the casting choices of Marvel Adventure, Insomniac Spiderman 2018 game features a protagonist that looks NOTHING like Tom Holland and yet it worked (especially when it came out). Had the Avengers game been good no one would bat an eye.

[@user-to4zl8wf2n]

Because these spider men are NOT Tom Holland + Tobey was first and Andrew was second before Tom

[@rabbitt7516]

theres a reason why the spiderman coop game was canceled, because it would've been hard to make it work, sure the idea is cool but how many street thugs are you gonna beat up till it gets stale

[@user-to4zl8wf2n]

You can say the exact same thing about every game. Hell you mainly beat up thugs in Spider-Man and batman games yet they’re still fun

[@user-to4zl8wf2n]

A way out and it takes two are basic and are carried by the co op factor. HD2 only focuses on co op missions against bugs and robots with the same missions repeated and they’re all fun and great games. Beating up thugs and pulling off combos and swinging around with a friend would be awesome

[@rabbitt7516]

@@user-to4zl8wf2n i agree! played miles and the remastered spiderman really enjoyed it! what im getting at is after hours of maybe completing the whole game, and your just left with the regular thugs it would've felt stale, thats what i feel like anyways after a few days of 100% spiderman and i didnt even finish the side missions in miles morales. i think the reason it got canceled was maybe it would've been difficult to have players keep playing, i hope they still considering bringing it back though, because i think we made it clear that a lot of us want it

[@Dachin55555]

@@user-to4zl8wf2nBecause they are single player games they don’t rely around players playing everyday where as live service in order for it to be successful players need to play it every day with a high player count

[@suspectv322]

I dreamed of the day I could play multiplayer story games w/ 4 players. Still dreaming.

[@davidgarcia8782]

I'm getting 'Im just some guy' vibes in the best way possible. Great video dude.

[@djncrbjbghjfbjfvh6555]

4:19 Expectations & Comparisons 10:06 The Identity Crisis 17:17 Why Green Light these Games 21:07 Made for

[@Mgauge]

CEOs make shortsighted, nonsensical decisions and demand that studios destroy themselves chasing trends to please shareholders who honestly seem to think that a game company could somehow make the infinite money glitch work in real life. They don't care how good the product is, how badly it impacts the industry or their employees, or if it burns the studio itself down. All they care about is making the numbers go up enough next quarter to make themselves look good to ensure their next fat bonus. If it fails, then the workers who did all they could and beloved games get the axe so the studio can be sold for parts and ensure that the company can file for more tax breaks for the loss.

[@wingedhussar1453]

I feel like its not just for money but game industry as a whole .the developers have become much more inclined to not stay on same project or get recycled in and out so fast that it no longer is a tight nit team tbat makes these games. So its easier to just make the cookie cutter same game

[@F1Finance]

I thought I was watching some big tubers channel, keep it up man you earned a sub!

[@baki484]

Guess what those same guys who left are the ones who wanted the story to be like that. They saw the backlash and left others to deal with their sh*tty decisions.

[@mediawarrior5957]

To create value for the shareholders

[@conradibekwe3824]

To be honest, if I we're to choose between the 3, I would rather take Avenger's and Gotham Knights over suicide squad. At least those games have good story mode and not everyone uses a gun in those games, but that's just my opinion.

[@jgriddlez]

BBL Brainiac is wild 😂😂😂

[@wolftales5203]

The Shareholders.

[@user-nw9hx9xz2o]

One good thing i can say about Knights is how it handled Harley. Its an interesting deviation and i think it shows that she can work as a full on villain , not just a henchman-woman. The voice actress was good at portaying an older Quinn who got over the Joker. Her outfit in the final mission was 10/10 design wise. And you cant tell me her prison sequence with Livin La Vida Loca playing in the background was not hype as hell

[@kaineshigaraki5253]

I was happy to hear about the Suicide Squad game. I even liked the idea of killing the Justice League. However, I disliked that it was initially going to be a pay to play game. [>

[@kaineshigaraki5253]

It’s not about “common sense.” It’s about money. Hire a cheaper company to make a game that makes money. It’s not about researching the product quality. It’s about researching the numbers. What games sell? How much does it cost to make a game? How can we make a game like that that cost less? They don’t know anything about games. They care about money. Additionally, we are easy marks. The fact that Fortnite is still one of the most popular games is the reason why we are easy marks. But, the problem is, we aren’t *THAT* dumb. [>

[@johnnyzero8853]

What made SS KTJL worst is giving Arkham Batman a terrible send off

[@kingol4801]

It was a solid send off

[@Trelitty11]

The Fortnite affect

[@HazeBre3]

I think that what these developers don't understand is that if the content is good, the money will flow. A live service game doesn't have to be inherently bad but they don't care about if the story is or if the grind loop is fun and if those things were good then people will throw money at it.

[@SavyGaming905]

Gotham knights had so much potential

[@nemesisprime4501]

I feel like live service games should only be kept as what helldivers and fortnite are made to be. Not some fun adventure or open world live service games

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Gotham Knights and Avengers were good single player story but Suicide Squad messed up that also.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

But Gotham Knights also had slightly better gameplay compared to Avengers.

[@giantorres92]

Outstanding quality video! Subscribed--- i have to say jm crossing ny fingers for Blade, Wolverine and upcoming comic book videogames. They need to pour more love into the game as opposed to chasing money....

[@cmoogs]

Great brake down man keep it up

[@TheAndreyCraft]

Avengers was a good game, I've completed the single player campaign and was satisfied. Gotham Knights is a good game, I've completed it solo and also played it with a friend, it was very fun

[@edward623]

I like the idea they bring light to Heroes/Villains we barely see games for. Obviously they could have done a better job I don’t praise these games but I like the concept.

[@Batz130]

Remember when games came out with self contained missions ,action, dlc and multiplayer with character's we know and love? That's how I view these games. Where did this live service label come from.🤷🏽‍♂️

[@original.hector787]

Never played Fortnite never have never will and im a never say never kinda a guy.

[@Nemesis_Prime666]

It's a actually not as bad as it seems, I would give it a try at least once

[@mrluthfians01]

video start at 1:00

[@archwodrichemond-fils6187]

Avengers campaign was honestly great. Should’ve left it at that

[@The_Dude99]

Looking forward to that red dead video. This one is good too.

[@alexlemonds2838]

Can't wait for the next Spider-Man 4 video.

[@thehawkdiesel]

In due time brother 🫡

[@dwallace8731]

Tbh the idea of a co-op superhero game that gets regular updates is a good idea. These games obviously didn't stick the landing. But it's still a good idea.

[@jozsefdomonkos]

Only played Marvel Avengers, SOLOD the whole lot. Platinum was easy once i figured out i can just run past enemies in the hives and hold circle till i hit transition, 50 hive trophy still took me 12-20 hours but cut down on the grind of not having to fight through all 5 levels. the other two....didnt even bother to look at it. never will.

[@kiillabytez]

If they would have based Marvel's Avengers on the Non-MCU, it would have been MUCH better,

[@Aim-Ace]

I liked the marvel games single player, didn't force the multiplier and gave us some true comic book stories

[@marks2807]

The Avengers game was actually decent during the story parts of the game, and DLC. The bad part of that game was the live action stuff it mainly focused on. The live action was where the endless grind came in.

[@Dachin55555]

At least the characters had their own abilities where Suicide Squad it’s the same shooting garbage

[@joshuaknox2724]

Fantastic video dude you smashed it, it's a shame an actual decent marvel game that tried something different in Midnight Suns got barely any attention, btw it was patched and updated and runs well now at 60fps with ray tracing on consoles so give it a shot if for those that have been hesitant .

[@JimmyValentimeNYC]

Avengers when it was done was fun but it took so long to get there people stop caring ...they needed to do new factions and enemy types along with a more consistent rate drop of new Avengers

[@themaccave08]

Gotham Knights is by no means the game I want to see be done more with how it was presented but I honestly liked it without worrying over the grindy parts. Honestly, I got a game that I’ve been wanting to play. I’m bummed how it turned out in the end but GK may just be my guilty pleasure.

[@LukeVr749]

I liked the story of Gotham Knights until the ending.

[@HeWhoIsNamedPatrick]

Therese studios should have bought the rights to X-men Legends and remade it using the PS5 power and tweaked the story just enough to make a masterpiece

[@johannsanne5281]

Live service for what should be single player focused games makes games bs tbh. Because for me, I enjoyed Avengers (combat) and Gotham Knights(Nightwing specifically). But the live service focus and rpg focus really ruins that type of game. Look at the Arkham games too, they didnt have suit parts that change stats. It was just new moves and gadgets to unlock and for me, thats what made it so enjoyable. Adding in that you could just change suits is way better than changing suit parts for stats.

[@johannsanne5281]

Live service for what should be single player focused games makes games bs tbh. Because for me, I enjoyed Avengers (combat) and Gotham Knights(Nightwing specifically). But the live service focus and rpg focus really ruins that type of game. Look at the Arkham games too, they didnt have suit parts that change stats. It was just new moves and gadgets to unlock and why it was so enjoyable. Adding in that you could just change suits is way better that changing suit parts for stats.

[@luisfernandoaraujo6776]

i gotta say that out of that trio gothan knigts is the best

[@MLZsVideos]

Dope intro, video quality is A1. Great analysis. You deserve more subs 💯

[@thehawkdiesel]

Appreciate you big dawg. How to kill someone part 2 soon ladies and gentlemen.

[@samflood5631]

At least Gotham Knights killed off Batman in a proper way by having him go down in a fight with Ra’s Al Ghul. Unlike Kill the Suicide Squad where they killed off Batman by having him get shot in the head by Hayley Quinn.

[@zacharykrause7741]

These games didn’t even release updates enough to make you want to spend money 😭 that’s rule number 1 of this type of thing

[@Skibiditoilet9894]

Not gonna watch this full video cause I’m 100% expecting to see these games get hated on so I’ll answer the question in the title for you. These games were made for me. The guy who loves comic books loves multiplayer and isn’t a super mega video game critic. Sure these games aren’t the best and all had issues what game doesn’t have any problem. Ik they weren’t the most well received or the most popular games but I put countless hours into avengers and Gotham knights with my best friend during and after quarantine. I love those games and have such fond memories of me and aiden staying up late asf cause we wanted to unlock a specific move in the skill tree for avengers or because not getting off when we are tired cause we had more crimes to do in Gotham knights. Suicide squad Was meh but was fun the first time around. I love avengers and Gotham knights and the only issue I have with them is that there aren’t more playable characters and constant updates. If you don’t like them I’m sorry and I wish u could have enjoyed them as much as I did.

[@cbmatty9262]

They show investors Fortnite and tell them that this game will get all of that golden mom’s credit card money. They never will though, that won’t stop them from trying and failing.

[@royalpapi2657]

i had fun w midnight suns and guardians

[@UnderTheHood788]

If im being honest avengers was the most decent out of all of these

[@Jman92854]

I feel like these games could've worked, if they didn't try to copy Fortnite, having battle passes, always online, having multiple seasons, etc. Like if they just made the games like normal single player (or at most co-op) games with no seasons, no battle passes, no updates to improve the game later, they would be written and handled, and even better received. Instead of being forced to fight an army of copy/paste enemies over and over to grind and "level up" to artificially extend the game's "Story", if you could just... progress through naturally by beating levels, then so many issues would be fixed. Of course the writing quality of said stories is another story, but you get the point.

[@raeg6435]

Gotham knights is a deccent game

[@DerkuiDerkui]

These games are made for money and that's it.

[@suprgamr1722]

I found avengers rlly fun. I liked the story and the characters. However the promised stuff never coming and the live service aspect is what killed it. Also it gets boring quickly as most missions are the same. Gotham knights was pretty good. Story was decent and the characters were fun. Combat was cool but idk it felt too difficult to me but then again I wasn’t used to it much. What killed it was its comparisons to the Arkham franchise. SSKTJL was pretty fun. Good story (until we start to kill the justice league. When that happens it all becomes shit) and fun traversal. However the skins in shop are awful reskins and the content in season 1 is so disappointing as there just isn’t much new content. Just reused content. Overall they are ok side games to play but they are all underwhelming in the long run. I did enjoy all three and probs will but avengers and ssktjl felt too much of a grind and Gotham knights is good but there is just something about it which doesn’t look right. I rlly hope we get more games like Gotham knights and Arkham games where it has a good single player story and other characters to select and play as well. Also one thing I dislike game wise about each is: avengers for me takes AGES TO LOAD (although that could be a me problem tbh), Gotham knights felt rlly laggy on pc (again probs a me problem) and finally SSKTJL had the problem of basically every character feeling the same.

[@dennisbeaman958]

I liked the avengers game to a point story was ok weird how it had sentinels in the end of the story the characters as in the original ones were mostly good when it came to combat and movement minus miss marvel Jr but Thor cap and iron man were the most fun for me especially loved thors attack with his hammer where you could pin some enemies down with it and i did like the fact of finally getting to fight the maestro even though it wasn't that great it was good seeing him if that makes sense

[@bobbybrowner4803]

I like Gotham knights it isn’t too bad. Doing my First play through right now. I enjoy it

[@silverenergy970]

good video

[@jooyichen]

I watched it all unfold slowly but surely in the last 10 years - Feminist Frequency - 2016 elections - Pewdie in PUBG - Comics - Captain Marvel - Mainstream entertainment - Gamers -- > Your living rooms next

[@Dachin55555]

Man be quiet

[@rolandngom5080]

Go touch grass

[@PauloCesar-oz6dy]

As an exoprimal fan I really laughed at suicide squad. Everybody Shitted on Capcom, but money practises aside, at least exoprimal was a functional game with cool unique suits and Dinos to shoot at.

[@jared5660]

Suicide squad was made for us. It’s just WB got it’s hands all over it and monetized the hell out of it. You can even tell the developers are trying hard to put it off because they’re making duplicate skins. Like you have a few different JL costumes and a few different classic outfits Gotham knights was dead because it got compared to Arkham. If it was completely disconnected from Arkham somehow it would have been much better received For avengers. Yeah I’m not defending this.

[@bashredpath]

I'm still playing ark knights . It's definitely different. It's not completely bad . Would have been Kool to play everybody . Like all of them . Each having there own goals and story

[@SlimmCutta]

You can add Marvel Rivals to the list as well smh, Avengers went wrong not having enough content being live service, i think they were really worried about end game content more so than the actual campaign, Gotham Knights had no end game with an ok campaign, could've gave us multiple endings instead

[@thequestion2041]

Why does everyone put images created with AI in these kinds of videos??

[@user-to4zl8wf2n]

Why not?

[@thequestion2041]

@@user-to4zl8wf2n because IA sucks

[@alexdinu589]

The best comicbook game in recent years is robocop

[@taqresu5865]

These games failed their core fanbase. Arkham Knights ans Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League are disservices to the Arkham franchise. And the Avengers game also mistreated it's characters.

[@LinayatIlyas]

I didn't mind Gotham Knights didnt like the grindu nonsense but it was nice olaying as Dick and Barbara with an okay storu.

[@LightOfMyLife227]

Oh hey that's my bad guys, they were made for people like me 😅

[@shaneoleary9919]

Gotham Knights not that bad it cool ok. The other 2 are trash buns

[@Furry_Wall]

Good points but downvoting for AI

[@ROCKBETHENAME]

Say what you want avengers was a good game, each character was unique(story & combat wise) they just lacked post game content after the war for Wakanda DLC they just gave up smh….as for suicide squad(also fun) but seems to fall into the avengers category with the lack of post game content

[@reallyhimongod]

Avengers is the best out of the 3, they all suffer from the same negatives, but at least Avengers is actually kinda fun.. but only for like an hr haha

[@user-hq1gr1sj2c]

Personally, I like Marvels avengers

[@teejie_m]

Avengers was the most disappointing

[@jrs1145]

Avengers was good

[@nightwing1491]

You know what is funny ever since that failure of a game called Suicide Squad came out and completely disrespected the Arkham Series Arkham Fans have been playing the Arkham Series now more than ever, also we need Lego game to come back that might just be me saying that but those were enjoyable.

[@myra-yves]

quite literally the same game copy pasted 3 times, the trilogy of shitty

[@omniframe8612]

The unholy big three 😂

[@sparshbansal6624]

Gotham Knights is actually a decent single player experience. Doesn't belong in this list

[@duel2803]

Money

[@chasejackson7248]

They are made for the bottom line of the company.

[@RVBFan182]

The randomly 50/50 bleeping is kinda jarring. If you're gonna say fuck, just fucking say fuck or bleep it every time lol

[@ducasse8473]

To be fair. I think i wouldve loved anyone of those games. But they just suck as video games. So i think they were made for me. But i respect myself lolm

[@thelettern]

I enjoyed all three, but boy was I wrong about how good I thought they were lmao. I love super heroes i suppose but man am I glad I was the minority cuz this is really lazy and deceitful imagining what we could’ve got from truly passionate developers

[@frankynakamoto2308]

They are just money grab, they thought they could profit from them, so they made them regardless no one ever played them, the companies are for the money not for the consumers.

[@MadQuickScotsman]

Bloody hell, and people wonder why I mostly play indie games. In terms of "live service" games, nothing's topped Warframe in my opinion. It's the only one I've actually stuck with.