Who wins in a fight.. Mario or Sonic?

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[@RaijinRain]

At the end of the day, it always comes down to who you like more. They will fight and die on that hill for that character

[@chilidogsonic6774]

Exactly but sonic beats mario bro its just simple feat

[@lyzellandarmanisworld8165]

BACK WITH ANOTHER BANGER NARD!!

[@hypersonic4562]

2:46 I have actually heard someone argue this to me once and I almost lost brain cells

[@SuperMarioTheEditor]

the only thing that i'm tired of is that whenever you say Mario wins, you're either called a mario fanboy or a 8 year old. same goes for sonic fans

[@Xxblade17]

Nard getting mad at the pronunciations is killing me 💀

[@Auvnoo]

I’m not a Powerscaling nerd. Personally I think sonic wins do to speed, the things he displayed in frontiers were crazy. But Mario would put up a good fight. Both goats tho💯

[@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753]

, No, 2 things: 1 the physics doesn't work towards Mario nor speed nor strenght it doesn't matter, if the enemy is faster or stronger hits equally. There's a thing nintendo does with Mario called Game mechanics which are there only to keep the Game more interesting, take them Out to see the actual truth if a lava ball doesn't hit white tanooki Mario, a lava pool wouldn't hurt him

[@quandaledingleofficial6]

If its Paper Mario yes but not mario, he litterally a normal plumber transported to the mushroom Kingdom.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

@@quandaledingleofficial6 Someone must've lied to you and told you that the movie is canon lmao

[@daman8613]

Bro i dont know why people think Mario would even stand a chance against sonic. Mario is human right and Sonic travels at the SPEED OF LIGHT. Discussion over

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@daman8613If Mario’s “just a human” how’s he able to take so much punishment that no ordinary human could? It’s because he’s a star child. Star children are said to be so powerful that they can take over a whole universe.

[@nicolasreyes4829]

the mario on a hospital table really gets me

[@YazinZ_7392]

I don’t know why ppl keep parring a speedster with a plumber I m personally a fan of both but sonic has a massive speed advantage making this fight very unfair for mario Like sonic is a million times faster how is this debate still going?

[@Crescence_]

Don't read if you don't wanna get bored you have been warned💀 Do read if you want more detailed answers💀 Dude is Hella wrong about comp Mario he is completely pulling that out of his ass, I understand for the extremely wierd versions of Mario that don't fit at all but aside from that the only noticeable version of Mario that splits off is Paper Mario, meaning that every other version of Mario is the same guy. This would include stuff like the Mario party games, the Mario and Luigi Series and possibly Mario RPG. with scaling from Mario Dream Team and Paper Jam you can upscale him so high it's nuts, 1) its very clear that in paper jam both versions of Mario are basically equivalent in terms off stats, so he would easily scale to bare minimum base Paper Mario, but more importantly 2) In Mario and Luigi Dream Team, Bowser uses the dream stone to transform into Dreamy Bowser, a form that pulls all of the power the stone possesses. The dream stone contains within it the dream depo, Wich has an infinitely sized universe for every dreaming individual in Mario's own universe, and the people within those infinitely sized dreams dream themselves and it goes on infinitely, Infinite amounts of infinite dreams that create an infinite number of infinite universes. Mario and Luigi IN BASE take him out pretty easily. This would at the lowest possible lowball make them both 5th dimensional in terms of AP 6th and 7th are also very reasonable, and you can even scale them to infinite dimensional, though I have never seen the scans to prove this, however it seems very possible with how the dream depo functions. In terms of speed beating a 5th dimensional character at a minimum would by technicality make them far faster than anything Sonic has pulled of but that's a boring explanation if you want actual feats. For one if you think using Mario RPG is applicable then in that game you fight basically a stronger time eater in a timeless void wich is already infinite speed. For more Casual scaling he is also bare minimum FTL+ as he and the rest of the cast are capable of outswimming black holes in Mario Party. (the other black holes Mario didn't swim away from were either game mechanics the same a pit is for super sonic or a black hole that destroyed the universe) The final bit of Mario speed scaling Is from Mario Galaxy and it's more of a reactionary feat than travel speed, worlds, in galaxy at least, it is described that in order to travel to them you move accross space and time to reach them in the launch stars, these would launch Mario at immeasurable speed and he can still react to things flying at him like star bits meteors and the planet surface he is landing on. Which would give him immeasurable reaction speed. With the surprising advantage in speed a lot of Mario's more situational wincons become far more reasonable such as transmutating him with the gold flower and atomising him with the bubble flower. And due to the fact that he is by nature far more versatile than sonic even if you want to say that Mario isn't faster than super or hyper sonic which is very clearly wrong at this point, with how durable Mario is and how far greater number of options in terms of powerups and abilities he has than sonic he could easily outlast his options. Sorry for my rant this isn't directed at you or anything Nardful if you somehow miraculously read this I just wanted to get what I have to say out there. Because of how popular this guys video is, and the blatant downplay on his end for Mario Its most likely going to get a lot of people saying Mario would get destroyed by only looking at his barely quarter baked explanations. And given how bad the majority of each side of this debate is when it comes to proving their points, it's very blatant I needed to defend Mario in a way that doesn't boil down to "he can be invincible and has powerups" because unironically that is how most Mario fans argue his case and I think it leaves a very sour taste for sonic fans.

[@SuperNardful]

I will not be reading this BUT I respect your opinion🤝

[@Crescence_]

@@SuperNardful wow thanks for actually replying man

[@yoder6162]

@@SuperNardful To be honest, both Mario and Sonic have very inconsistent feats and the way Ty is biasly upping Sonic while totally ignoring Sonic's weaknesses and flaws and downing Mario is kind of infuriating, and I'm a guy who honestly thinks Sonic wins overall

[@TCBlueFire]

​@@Crescence_paper mario is canonically mario he's just a retelling a story of an event that already happened

[@Crescence_]

I know but I don't like including him because it is incredibly controversial and Mario scales to him anyway even if they were seperate

[@noob3702]

sonic has a danger sense like a spider as well, mario doesnt stand a chance

[@vito6197]

Yeah, he has two versions of it actually. One is his danger sneeze that he has where he sneezes whenever there is incoming danger, this was seen in the intro of Sonic CD and was first made a thing in the old Sonic Manga. The other one is the most recent one that appeared in Sonic Frontiers, but that one could just be a game mechanic.

[@cuhwashere2020]

Mario also does, play superstar saga and Paper Mario

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Man what a w video I sure hope there won’t be any arguments in the comments

[@Blop-yy8hr]

Finally, its ready.

[@charlesbishop3170]

Even though I think sonic wins I still don't think mario is completely helpless. Mario is able to react to fast things....... I'm about to get bullied😅😅😅.

[@Morbius-Tension]

Ur comment is sensible though

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

Yes, you are such a (censored), just answering your last part of the comment, come and laugh XD

[@charlesbishop3170]

@@Gamespeedrunner2020 ?

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

@@charlesbishop3170 The "I'm about to get bullied" thing.

[@charlesbishop3170]

​@Gamespeedrunner2020 ok but my point still stands.

[@seganintendofan1]

"Alright you what time it is" Time to flood the comments with MARIO VS SONIC with kids not accepting the truth

[@scanchannel3259]

16:04 Nard Displays what would happen between a fight with Mario vs Sonic.

[@DanGamingFan2846]

Sonic would come on top, hands down. No power up can beat that kind of speed, let alone Sonic's Super form.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Fax bro

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

White Tanooki > Sonic But fax bro.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@Gamespeedrunner2020 true fax

[@metroidcomet1116]

@@Gamespeedrunner2020 Super Sonic > Featless Invincible Tanooki Suit Hyper Sonic > Featless Invincible Tanooki Suit Literally any other form he has would destroy White Tanooki..

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

@@metroidcomet1116 Nah (IMC), how? is my question White Tanooki > Super Sonic White Tanooki >=< Hyper Sonic And how would both characters get hurt if they're both invincible? Tie

[@danviferahr1426]

A lot of people here straight up ignored the actual video i guess

[@BluePlasma77]

2 Icons in a video, What could possibly go wrong.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Yea definitely no arguments or wars going on

[@BluePlasma77]

​@@thelogicsonic5980Phew, I hope no MariovsSonic War II

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@BluePlasma77 fr

[@1ario15]

This is infinite levels of not fair and bull because Sonic gets to have all of this speed and transformations that make him faster and stronger, and Mario just relies on power ups, I mean give Mario and Luigi canon transformations that can go toe to toe against Super Sonic Nintendo

[@Flipclip120]

bro… ur yapping more than an omo chao. sonic gets transformations because…He deserves it. unlike ur easy able power ups. sonic needs to get them in every game and, he only uses it when he HAS too. btw. which game did we get super sonic very easily?i’ll wait. if u say it’s not fair and bull, it’s bull how many power ups mario have. i think he has like over 80. why are u complaining about sonic’s 3 normal forms. (aside from the one offs) (except hyper) he only has 2 forms what is ur yapping degree?

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Cool Video.

[@MatttheMii]

I remember when I watched Death Battle Mario vs. Sonic and hard reacting to it😂 0:09

[@Creepypasta_edits_plus]

I think sonic advanced IS classic sonic but it's when he's growing up to be modern sonic. Its his transition to modern sonic.

[@Yoshistar238]

Oh no. OH NO!!! NARD WHAT DID YOU DO!?!?!

[@thelogicsonic5980]

For base forms I’m going with sonic but as soon as they bring out there transformations it’s a tie because white tanooki leaf is infinite time and super sonic can use cyloop to get rings now meaning it’s a tie.

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

I am pretty sure the Ring timer is just a game mechanic. After all, it wasn’t even a thing in Sonic Unleashed. In there, Super Sonic had a health bar.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 true but after they get out of there transformation there both invisible so I think it would be tie if they got out of base

[@quandaledingleofficial6]

WHITE TANOOKI IS A GAME MECHANIC FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRASH ON 3D WORLD/LAND💀

[@quandaledingleofficial6]

​@@thelogicsonic5980white tanooki has no feats 💀 you can only get it if you suck at a level in 3d land/world.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@quandaledingleofficial6 well true

[@spriter2punto0]

15:52 TRUE...THE INVINCIBILITY FORM

[@spriter2punto0]

6:08 Advance Sonic is a Modern Sonic on 2D, like Sonic 4 Episode 1

[@adamcox7415]

Saying Solaris is fictional needs to remember so is dimentcheo

[@spriter2punto0]

Even without Super form, Sonic can beat Mario even in his super form, compinche.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

13:03 imagine someone saying Takashi Bazooka instead

[@JP_...__.__.._]

Sonic wins every time even if mario has power ups cause most of them have a time limit while others get lost just from being hit once

[@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753]

There's a thing nintendo does with Mario called Game mechanics which are there only to keep the Game more interesting, take them Out to see the actual truth

[@JP_...__.__.._]

@@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753 😂

[@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753]

@@JP_...__.__.._ facts

[@JP_...__.__.._]

@@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753 just a regular plumber, but I will always like mario don't get me wrong😅

[@imspector1506]

@@JP_...__.__.._he is not a regular plumber

[@hypershadic762]

16:05 IM DYING BRO ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@archux_]

Only people know this is a reupload.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

Did he seriously take from Tyrecords? The same guy I debunked twice in a row? Josiah doing the same, and some other guy I forgot about?

[@brendaflowers1719]

Yep 😑

[@modest9584]

Am I tripping or has he uploaded this video like 3 times 🗿

[@SuperNardful]

It was literally twice💀

[@modest9584]

🧢

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

Ok I’m going to be honest with you. Using Ty’s first video is not a good video because all it does is just downplay Mario and REALLY highball Sonic. Especially when he says 64, Galaxy, and Odyssey Mario are all different Mario’s. I mean there is no proof that all Mario’s (with the exception of Paper Mario, the race swap Mario’s, Movie Mario, tv shows Mario, and Mario Kun) are all different Mario’s. I mean heck Mario and Paper Mario are practically equal in terms of power since Bowser and Paper Bowser say to their respective Kamek that they think they’re equal to each other.

[@chilidogsonic6774]

Bc mario is weak he bearly has any feats

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@chilidogsonic6774 Proof?

[@chilidogsonic6774]

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official he only beats bowser in most of his games and he is fodder

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@chilidogsonic6774 And? How does that make him fodder?

[@chilidogsonic6774]

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official has Mario rewritten a multiverse?

[@samsheyman1312]

5:30 so we’re just gonna forget about Boom Sonic and Movie Sonic?

[@mrdeljr]

mario has the better games sonic has more power and speed sonic's better

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Exactly bro you got it 👍 but sonic frontiers was a great game

[@BluePlasma77]

​@@thelogicsonic5980Great? It was awesome

[@NebulaSon]

I wish people can accept this. Some people want their characters to be better in everything.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@NebulaSon very true

[@Pickel2725]

This video got a lot of things wrong on Mario's side tbh, and if we bring in cosmology then Mario just outscales by a ton. Me personally - Base forms it's Mario. Strongest forms with Mario having the pure hearts and Hyper Sonic, it's a tie.

[@RaiginAnimator]

What’s cosmology?

[@danviferahr1426]

wait, can you explain this one?

[@Pickel2725]

@@RaiginAnimator Dimensions and how big the verse of a series is for example, the Gravity Falls verse I guess is like 11-12D.

[@Pickel2725]

@@danviferahr1426 Explain what?

[@danviferahr1426]

@Pickel2725 you just said base form mario was stronger and with the strongest forms it's a tie, but why is base form mario stronger? And what's up with the cosmology thing? This is not meant to be rude, this is an honest question

[@VictoryOnYouTube]

Sonic 👍👍 stop nerfing him, enough has been said he’s the winner. Stop making him weak, he’s supposed to live up his name, the speed of sound. 🔥🔥💪

[@VictoryOnYouTube]

Also this is his say Ty’s name, TyRecordsLOL. (pronounced: lawl)

[@ike.0037]

Ngl there's a lot of Sonic meat riders, classic sonic and moder ln sonic are litterally past and present sonic, advanced sonic IS NOT classic sonic he's modern sonic

[@Littlepoolie10]

Fair point sonic is so much stronger then sonic I am sorry right but what even is the argument

[@modest9584]

Sonic is stronger than sonic 🗿

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Sonic stronger than Mario 👎 Sonic stronger than sonic 🔥

[@liamgaming6752]

I know someone is gonna debunk this

[@CosmicNoah.]

Even though Sonic may be the winner I still prefer Mario

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Fr bro you the man

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

Right, me too.

[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@Gamespeedrunner2020 you the man too

[@SuperNardful]

AND THATS TOTALLY OKAY! WE LOVE BOTH OVER HERE

[@Gamespeedrunner2020]

@@SuperNardful You're the best SuperNardFul.

[@Neon-255]

You should react to sonic vs goku comic dub

[@HyperSuck771]

Bro classic sonic would clap Mario. Mario will put up a good fight, but Sonic solos

[@chris1229sonic]

Bro forgot mario and Luigi series

[@nisansparow3390]

Sonic's top speed, if we're mentioning 7 world rings, generations, and forces. there's proof sonic has infinite speed, traveling an infinite distance in a finite amount of time. in seven world rings he runs in a dimension that's infinite in size in his base form, in generations he not only moves in white space with speed alone but also reverses the erased time effects by accelerating through time, and finally in forces he when he and the custom character are stuck in the nul void they escape it by just running even faster (keep in mind the nulvoid is confirmed to be infinite in size). I guess the reason why people don't mention these feats or use them is because to them it seems situational, but however they these feats are consistent in those games with forces being the exception because it's shown one time and glossed over.

[@vito6197]

I'm on Sonic's side, but he makes some points that aren't viable. Like Sonic making a black hole even though he isn't seen doing so just whenever (I know it's possible, but thats not a thing he usually does) and Mario from Mario 64 is a different Mario from the main.

[@Retlewl]

I'm personally on Team Mario. Most of Trye's arguments for Mario losing were iffy imo. Mario has quite a few feats that actually put him on par with Sonic's speed and strength (beating Dreamy Bowser and reacting to Launch Stars to name a couple). Not to mention that most of Mario's power ups could flat out counter most of Sonic's abilities, hell, even NEGATE DAMAGE (most of Mario's Battle Cards do that). Overall, Mario edges out high-extreme diff imo

[@CuteRedPanda64]

Yeah, Trye tends to downplay Mario but over hype Sonic like every other sonic fan. 😒

[@KaQuan60_]

⁠@@CuteRedPanda64no he doesn’t, why are saying random bull crap? He’s not downplaying Mario and he’s not overhyping sonic at all, like he said he’s a fan of both

[@Retlewl]

@@KaQuan60_ I mean, he was still SEVERELY lowballing Mario.

[@KaQuan60_]

@NormalYoshiMf ok he was a TINY bit, not a lot, idk how you can even just think that

[@brendaflowers1719]

But ty was downplaying Mario alot

[@nathanielwilliams1815]

Sorry for the extra comment by really do feel like that one to give this off of my sleeve you can argue with Canon if it ends up their stated limits in the games and in the story because the thing that you genuinely disprove the lightspeed thing is basically the infinite fight I think I will can get faster than the fastest jet in the world I had fast as he could probably run as fast as a mid-level rocket and even then that may be pushing it a little bit even being this still me some faster than Mario and I'm talking about and also I'm talking about base Sonic not Super Sonic he may actually be the speed of light

[@SuperCyberEditz]

Like bro that's the problem with death battles all they do is make the more popular character win based on people's bias but the one thing they never do is actually scale the characters *CORRECTLY* and if they do then it's extremely rare

[@yoder6162]

I hate this argument so much, it's an excuse at this point to the copium. Miles Morales, Trunks, Vegeta, Sasuke Uchiha, Midoriya, Martian Manhunter, Guts, Kratos, Carnage, Kakashi Hatake, Batman, Wolverine, Hulk, Killua Zoldyck, Link, Jiraiya, Ken Masters, Ben Tennyson, Son Goku, Saitama, Edward Elric, and Green Arrow (just a few) are all far, FAR more popular characters than their opponents who lost their fights whereas Dimitri from Fire Emblem, Static Shock, Sonya Blade, James Bond, Esdeath, Sanji, Hiei, Donkey Kong, Spyro the Dragon, Yang Xiao Long, and Astro Boy are all noticeably less popular or less celebrated than their opponents and they all won their fights against them. Sonic even won the No Holds Barred version of the original, and they admitted that they were intentionally nerfing Sonic in the prologue to make the fight more fair and use only their game versions exclusively, but I see no one bringing that up.

[@SuperCyberEditz]

@@yoder6162 fr

[@user-bu9ft3gn5o]

but what if sonic gets underwater, because Mario knows how to swim, but sonic doesn’t even though he can run on water and we never see him do it in the games saw Mario wins😂

[@hypersonic4562]

Sonic can just turn hyper sonic or get a bubble shield

[@3DoublePoint]

​@@hypersonic4562no powers or items just Regular base

[@hypersonic4562]

@@3DoublePoint first off sonic would never let mario put him underwater, second why aren't we allowing sonic items of transformations but we are for mario?

[@3DoublePoint]

@@hypersonic4562 Game Sonic doesn't siwm for sure but the fact in mario and sonic at the olympic games tokyo 2020 we actually see sonic swimming with his own life jacket on the pool. Also since sonic cannot siwm or float, he can still runs along the bottom of the Ocean level just like on land, except that he moves slower and must regularly replenish his air.

[@3DoublePoint]

@@hypersonic4562 I'm talking about both base characters without no power ups items, Sonic has a massive speed advantage making this fight very unfair for mario, Sonic wins

[@MatttheMii]

Copyright name fr😂 9:44

[@CholeSkunk]

Super NardFul He Basically just Told us Through out the Whole Video Mario isn’t Touching Sonic And He Is Right There is no Power Up Sonic Beats Mario InTerms of Everything We Nintendo Fans Really Had Anything to put Nothing up a Fight Against Sonic Would One Shot Mario and he wouldn’t be able to React Fast Enough - Sonic Solos The Mario Verse

[@brendaflowers1719]

Um dude you do realize that ty didn't talk about Mario's feats right 😑

[@CholeSkunk]

@@brendaflowers1719 yes I meant The other guy

[@superfnafdude2freddyland397]

What about Sonic & 3 Knuckles Rank Sonic 3 & Knuckles?

[@LuigiXP]

reupload?

[@SuperNardful]

Yuuuup

[@AydenWilliams-zc3dq]

Ngl I think sonic would win because the events of frontiers but that's just me but Mario would put up a good fight.

[@SuperNardful]

Frontiers had Sonic looking TOUGH

[@brendaflowers1719]

So nard did you know tys response video got debunked 3 times

[@ethanlaw9613]

Sonic would win imo, better speed, feats and scaling.

[@MatttheMii]

Sonic beat tabuu in super smash bros brawl and Mario didn’t 22:22

[@SuperNardful]

Based hedgehog.

[@CuteRedPanda64]

Sonic didn't beat Tabuu he only, hit him two times.

[@MatttheMii]

This is faxxx 20:09

[@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770]

6:47 I think he is saying that Modern Sonic used to be like Classic Sonic when he was younger. As in, Modern Sonic experienced Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, etc. Classic Sonic also experienced those same events. But thanks to the Time Eater, Classic Sonic became different. For example, Classic Sonic experienced Sonic Mania, which Modern Sonic didn’t. The timeline split, but BEFORE that split, they were basically the exact same.

[@SuperNardful]

Yeah I understand that now, I understood it better when he said it in the second video

[@ClassicSonictheRemixer]

Trye uses some flawed logic here... but hey he makes some decent points. I would explain counters but knowing Sonic fans it's kinda pointless #MarioSweep

[@SuperNardful]

I’m still Team Sonic, but looking back idk if I agree with the rings = durability. I don’t really buy using game mechanics for power scaling arguments

[@ClassicSonictheRemixer]

Yeah I agree, using game mechanic logic can get pretty shaky with how accurate it portrays the characters.

[@NebulaSon]

Mario fans are no different. And saying the rings are game mechanics is like saying Mario power ups are game mechanic.

[@daman8613]

Sonic would body Mario hands down, without breaking a sweat. In fact it would be a zero to death combo sonic would give him. Even if you compare them strength wise, Mario cannot keep up with Sonic's speed. Mario wont even be able to see him cause he travels at the SPEED OF LIGHT. GG EZ #Mariofans

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

⁠@@daman8613How is Sonic’s friends able to see him then? How is Eggman able to track him?

[@Miguel-sp6ncLeugim]

Nintendo fans 👇

[@MatttheMii]

19:04 Sonic can beat Mario for example Mario can only use one ability at a time let’s say Mario can clone himself but by then it would be to late because Sonic has a good amount of speed he could spin dash or boost to attack Mario. I’m death battle Mario won but you know why they did Sonic dirty.

[@nakitusebowa-yoka1981]

i watch more sonic so sonic because sonic has more forms

[@Miguel-sp6ncLeugim]

Mario

[@davidmillington1768]

so is this a video about Mario vs Sonic or making fun of the ty's pronounciation of names, even though he's defending your side/

[@galvatrix5817]

Dang This puts the Mario Vs Sonic 2018 Death Battle to shame man I agree with this 100% I love both equally but Sonic will always win in a fight against Mario hands down

[@NebulaSon]

​@NormalYoshiMfHe didn't use game mechanics. I think Tyrecordslol was the best Mario vs Sonic video because he didn't use hyperwank scaling based on speculation. He just used common sense based on their abilities and what is shown.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@NebulaSonHe used Sonic’s ring mechanic as durability

[@NebulaSon]

@NormalYoshiMf The rings are not game mechanic. That's like saying Mario power ups are game mechanics. The rings are part of Sonic lore and was even in Sonic prime. And you ignore the side where he downplays Sonic really hard unless you don't know much about Sonic powers and abilities. Especially if we talk about Smt which is game Sonic btw.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

@@NebulaSon Rings, Lava, Switching Characters, and Falling are all game mechanics. And no, he didn't hyperwank, he did worse and downplayed. Both Mario AND Sonic, but Mario more. And also, he compared Mario's gameplay speed as opposed to some of his actual speed feats, which isn't fair.

[@NebulaSon]

@NormalYoshiMf Yes it is canon. And if you're going to say that then paper Mario isn't dude. There go the bias of Mario fans and there lack of self awareness once again. SMH🙄 😒

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

Because this is literally takes from Tyrecords, I'ma just copy and paste what I said to him

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

My response to his first video: First of all, the Paper Mario and Mario aren't the same person argument is actually been proven wrong: In the original Paper Mario, Goombario's Tattle will state that Mario has been fighting Goombas ever since Super Mario Bros. This is a direct callback to the game itself. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b1/Goombario-PaperMarioCanon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211027064505 Goombario is generally smart when it comes to his knowledge on things, as his Tattle demonstrates this. He's also a big fan of Mario, and the events of SMB are popular enough to be seen in plays or appear in Bowser's own realms. Thus, Goombario is a reliable source. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ef/MarioFan.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027064926 Back to Paper Mario, we can read Luigi's Diary in his secret basement. Luigi writes about how the adventure stuff is difficult, and he enjoyed playing Golf, Tennis, and throw Parties. These are obvious callbacks to Mario Golf, Tennis, and Party. And while I am well aware that the Paper Mario series has referenced a sports title, mainly Mario Kart, it should be well noted that these were not intended to be their own paper versions, as at the time Paper Mario released, it was alongside the N64 era. Thus it's most likely they are direct callbacks to those N64 era games. This would also need to be the case for continuity sake. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/5/55/PaperMario_Sports.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027065911 Luigi also notes in his diary that he's afraid of ghosts, a personality trait that was established before Luigi's Mansion and later on used in other games. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/9c/PaperMarioLuigiScan.png/revision/latest?cb=20220111034622 Paper Mario is considered a sequel to Super Mario RPG, at least in terms of its lore and story. The general plot of Paper Mario is Bowser stealing the Star Rod to grant his own wishes. However, it just so happens that Super Mario RPG is also a game where wishing is its main focus. The general plot for RPG is that Smithy sent Exor to destroy Star Road (remember this location, it's important) in order to stop people from making wishes. So why are these two games connected? Well because the Star Rod is what is used to grant wishes in Super Mario RPG. How do we know this? Well we know that as Geno battles Bowyer, he mentions that he works for a "higher authority", and was sent to get back each Star Piece. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/01/GenoScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/GenoScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071636 But who exactly are those higher authorities? This is where Paper Mario's Star Spirits come in. The Star Spirits are the watcher over the Star Rod, and are meant to be the protectors of it. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/3/33/StarSpiritScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072206 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/a/a3/StarSpiritScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072240 However, you might think this isn't enough. For further proof, let's go back to Geno. If you are unfamiliar with Super Mario RPG, Geno is actually just someone possessing a toy. You might notice something, and that is that Geno's true form is that of a star. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/6/6b/GenoScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072638 He's a star, just like the Star Spirits. You might think this is just some coincidence, however this further relates to Paper Mario. We know that Geno is a star who works for higher authorities, and Paper Mario just so happens to have someone similar. That being Twink. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f8/TwinkScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/0e/TwinkScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073302 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/bb/TwinkScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073330 Twink is also a Star who was sent down to help others by higher authorities, just like Geno. Thus they share the same occupation and general roles, connecting themselves. It should be noted that Stars are just a general species within the Mario universe. We won't stop there, remember Star Road? I hope so, because the two locations are also the same. Star Road (also called Star World) actually first comes from Super Mario World, making a further connection of a mainline title to other games. Star Road in both Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are stated to be above the clouds. Something Super Mario World also displays. (Sorry if the image is small) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/SMW_Art_-_Star_World.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027074228 Both are star locations that are the location of were wishes are to be granted at. They both are star related locations (even if the names and place looks different, this is a general thing within Mario however). And they are both where Star-beings live at. If you're still not convinced, I present my final argument. How are the wishes granted? Wishes are described to take shape into a Wish Star, and become little shooting stars. Paper Mario directly says this is also how wishes are formed. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/8/88/WishScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075024 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/c/cc/WishScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075058 Additionally, if we fast forward to Paper Mario: Color Splash, we can also directly see Mario and Huey make a wish. Which is done as a shooting star. That was a lot of connections. I guess Paper Mario being a scrapped Super Mario RPG 2 makes far more sense now. Back to more connections using... the same two games. Kind of. In Paper Mario, we see Mario be able to take the form of his NES-self, an obvious callback to his older adventures. Super Mario RPG actually does the exact same thing. Side-note, but Mario looking pixel-like is a canon thing he has acknowledged himself (Super Mario All-Stars Japanese Manual, Pages 121 & 123) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ea/NESMarioScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027080558 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/7/73/NESMarioScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027081237

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And this is just from Paper Mario. There are other instances where his canonicity contradicts what happened in the game. And no, in terms of canon, yes, Paper Mario is the strongest Mario. But when you ignore that, it's actually Mario-Kun from the manga. And it should also be known that Time Eater can't be scaled to 11D while Super Dimentio can. "How?" You ask? Well, it's as simple as this. The Overwhere and Underwhere. Think of both of these realms as Heaven and Hell for example. What makes them scale to 11D is two things. Higher planes of existence, and String Theory Soup. The argument is Dimentio, who surpassed The Void, which was going to consume all existence--all worlds, all dimensions, all possibilities and all timelines. How did Dimentio surpass The Void? First off, Paper Mario and the others tanked The Void. But, that's not all that's important here. Mainly, look at Paper Mario's condition after The Void. He has been blasted interdimensionally back to Flipside, and is unconscious. Now, to compare, when Dimentio attacked, Paper Mario and his party was blasted--once again--interdimensionally to The Underwhere, and were once again rendered unconscious. The similarities definitely can't be ignored; Dimentio matched its power. But even then, he has points of surpassing it; his attack that he held back on, mind you, surpassed a tremor from The Void. He merely snapped his fingers without malicious intent, and his tremor shook Castle Bleck harder than all the tremors The Void caused; we know he was holding back because he didn't want to hurt Luigi; he needed him. And because String Theory Soup proves that the Marioverse's secrets reside within String Theory, which is a theory that supports 11-dimensionality, this feat was consuming eleven dimensions. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1086823304205176872/paper_mario_color_splash.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073725599400603738/Screenshot_20221231_000654.jpg Now, there's even more evidence backing up several aspects of this; to start, let's address doubts about The Void destroying dimensions. Next, let's talk about odd occurrences that back up String Theory being valid; to start, aesthetic details indicate String Theory in affect in the Marioverse. And what with mathematical-like equations existing in worlds like "Lineland," we can determine--for certain--that The Void was going to destroy all mathematical dimensions. And what about String Theory Soup? Is it reliable? Yes. It's the narrator who talks about String Theory Soup's description; third-person omniscient narrator. That is intensely reliable. And now, to address its name "not being important." The last sentence means everything: "Drink not, lest you learn more than what man was ever meant to know." Whatever this soup houses is huge. The earlier sentence states, "All the secrets of the universe are contained within this soup." So, it's something huge and revealing--a secret that man was never meant to know--about the universe. And the name reveals what that secret is; which is consistent since, String Theory relates back to the universe. The scale goes that Dimentio can destroy these forms, due to scaling above the void with dimension D. And in Mario's time machine there is proof that these forms exist, as the theory of forms is shown to be more plausible. And in the bottom "the republic" is the theory of forms as shown at the bottom. And from all the red scans that are shown below, the theory of forms seems to be much more plausable, according to the omniscient narrator of the game which servers as the main game mechanic. And in this, Aristotle agrees with the republic head on, when in real life he was the only one to disagree. So if the republic is true in Mario, then dimentio, due to scaling to the void, he can destroy these forms easily. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716954835193967/Screenshot_20230207_212837_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716955053305946/Screenshot_20230207_212955_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716955279794206/WQygmnq_d.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956135428328/1X2RX63_d.webp cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956726833204/Screenshot_20230207_214052_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956957515878/Screenshot_20230207_220549_Google.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716957171421186/Screenshot_20230207_222545_Google.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073723385999274065/Screenshot_20230122_160316.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073723386250919957/Screenshot_20230122_160425.jpg Solaris can also be countered by that of Culex, who has a similar time and space devouring feat. Culex has these abilities: Matter Manipulation (Capable of devouring matter), Space-Time Manipulation (Is proclaimed as the master of Time and Space. Can consume Time), Precognition (can see tens of years into the future), Anti-Matter Manipulation (Claimed to be an entity made of pure anti-matter itself), Creation (Shaped the Elemental Crystals from nothing, which amplified his power), Life-Force Absorption (Drain & Mega Drain are able to draw out the life-force of a being), Omnipresence (He himself stated to be the inheritor of Space and Time.), etc. And before you say that each Mario is a different version, It is stated that Super Mario has no definitive canon. By this alone, we can say that any Mario game considered canon is indeed, the same Mario with a different appearance.

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White Tanooki Mario, just like Super Sonic keeps all of his base abilities when transforming. If we list all of Mario's powers, you would see just how much it is, ranging from: Superhuman Physical Characteristics Acausality (Type 1. Can interact with and fight alongside his baby self[1]) Genius Intelligence Minor Fourth Wall Breaking (Thanked the player for playing his game) Telepathy (Shares a telepathic bond with Luigi, allowing the two to always know where the other is at[2]) Self-Sustenance (Type 1. Shown to consistently be unaffected by the vacuum of space[3] and being underwater for prolonged periods of time[4]) Toon Force and Elasticity (Can survive being flattened and is able to recover immediately) Hammerspace (Various power-ups and items) Expert Hand-to-Hand Combatant (Mario has shown master-levels of combat prowess throughout his tenure as the Mushroom Kingdom's hero. He has defeated a myriad of powerful enemies, mostly consisting of Bowser, a powerful tyrant hellbent on galactic conquest and the kidnapping of Princess Peach. Outside of nemeses, Mario has also bested Jinx[5], a dojo sensei and martial artist whom will challenge Mario up to 3 times and become more difficult with each fight, in direct combat. Mario's skills have impressed Jinx so much that they even incorporated his fighting style into his training. Alongside Luigi, Mario is capable of fighting both Bowser Memory M and Bowser Memory L, identical copies of the bros based on how Bowser "fondly" remembers them) Master Acrobat (Has[6] displayed countless[7] examples of being[8] an expert acrobatic[9], such as being able to perform numerous flips mid-air, as well as various moves if accompanied by a partner. Can jump from several stories to the sky, perform superhuman leaps, and gain extra air time by repeatedly fluttering his feet) Limited Enhanced Statistics Amplification (Via Triple Jump, which allows Mario to temporarily become invincible after the third consecutive jump[10]) Self-Perception Manipulation (Can slow down his perception of time normally, or with Zone Speed, to time attacks correctly) Attack Reflection (His Hammer and Spin can reflect projectiles) Status Effect Inducement (His Spin Jump can stun enemies. His Hammer can also cause dizziness to an enemy) Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm Boos and Cackletta's soul) Adaptation (Easily adapted to the gravities of different sized planets) Afterimage Creation (Naturally leaves behind afterimages when using Zone Speed, and even without it) Weapon Mastery (Has been shown to expertly utilize a wide array of tools and weapons at his disposal such as: hammers, swords, koopa shells, robots, blasters, and many more. His iconic weapon of choice, the Hammer, is a weapon he shows, arguably, the greatest proficiency in. With the Hammer, Mario can reflect projectiles, stun enemies, and even cause them to undergo dizziness)

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Weapon Creation and Energy Manipulation (Can summon a giant hammer[11], a fire flower, and a rocket. Can also create a weapon composed of pure energy) Vehicular Mastery (Mario can expertly drive and pilot a multitude of vehicles and aircrafts such as: go-karts, bikes, boats, planes, submarines, and much more. Mario's expertise with vehicles and aircrafts enables him to perform acrobatic moves when driving, and fight during these events as well) Fire Manipulation (Is fully capable of producing fire on his own after obtaining the Firebrand. He can shoot large balls of fire, barrages of fire balls, and set objects on fire) Explosion Manipulation (Can create fiery explosions) Status Effect Inducement (Can use the move "Fire Bros." to perform a First Strike. Doing so will result in the enemy being afflicted with the "Burn" status) Ice Manipulation (Made an ice tower grow taller and can throw snowballs to freeze an enemy[12]) Time Travel (Traveled through time, via unknown means, to help his past self[13]) Possibly Existence Erasure (Wiped Wendy's castle from existence. Should noted that this might most likely fall under Toon Force) Extreme Heat (Can withstand the heat of Bowser's artificial sun while battling him inside it. As a racer in Mario Kart Wii, he can survive falling into lava without harm) Extreme Cold and Cosmic Radiations (Can easily endure the coldness of space and its hazardous elements. Can navigate through World 6, which was stated to be sub-zero in temperature and can freeze Bowser's army[14]) Fire Manipulation (As a playable character in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, he can easily endure being set on fire when eating a Flaming Tender[15]) Ice Manipulation (Can break free from ice by an Ice Bro) Electricity Manipulation (Isn't negatively affected by Luigi using Thunderhand on him, and like other characters in Mario Party 6, Mario can endure being electrocuted) Paralysis Inducement (Unaffected by Bowyer's arrows, which paralyzes anyone it hits[16]) Sleep Manipulation (Resisted the Dreambeats, which put all inhabitants of Pi'illo island to sleep[17]) Sealing, Mind Manipulation, and Corruption (Type 2. Is merely damaged by Fury Bowser's Black Paint, as opposed to being sealed away like the islands in Lake Lapcat. Mario was also unaffected by both the Black Paint and Fury Bowser's passive corruptive aura[18]) Petrification (Broke free from being turned to stone) Transmutation (Treats Kamek's magic as an ordinary attack, which can transmute objects into enemies. Can also fight as a scarecrow) Gravity Manipulation (Has adjusted his gravity to walk normally on hundreds of different sized planets and can resist the strong gravitational pull of black holes) Matter Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, and Disease Manipulation (Unaffected by the paint Shadow Mario used, which can morph the ground it was on, get rid of entire pieces of land, or make entire buildings disappear completely and reappear from nothing, as well as being consistently stated to be a toxic pollutant, and having inflicted fevers to the Chain Chomplets) Transformation and Statistics Amplification (Via multiple power-ups) Healing (With the Super Mushroom) Size Manipulation (With the Super Mushroom, Mini Mushroom, and Mega Mushroom) Greater Fire Manipulation (With the Fire Flower)

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Greater Ice Manipulation (With the Ice Flower) Enhanced Statistics Amplification (The Super Star, Rainbow Star, Mega Mushroom, Invincibility Leaf, and Invincibility Bell all grant this due to in-game showings where a character becomes impervious to all types of conventional damage, and statements from sources) Teleportation (With the P-wing and Warp Whistle) Flight (With the Cape Feather, Super Leaf (Raccoon), Invincibility Leaf (Raccoon), and P-Balloon) Vibration Manipulation (With the Mega Mushroom and Cape Feather) Extended Attack Reflection (With the Cape Feather) Extended Weapon Mastery (With the Hammer Suit, Superball Flower, and Boomerang Flower) Free Movement (Water Walking. The Mini Mushroom allows Mario to run on water) Surface Scaling and Shapeshifting (With the Super Bell and Lucky Bell, Mario can climb up vertical surfaces. Lucky Bell in particular can allow Mario to transform himself into a golden lucky cat statue, temporarily making him invincible[19]) Resurrection (With 1-Up Mushrooms) Mushrooms/Flowers/Stars: Earth Manipulation (Rock Mushroom) Cloud Manipulation and Platform Creation (Cloud Flower) Transmutation, Explosion Manipulation, and Greater Fire Manipulation (With the Gold Flower. The Gold Flower is also capable of taking out enemies/bosses who are normally resistant, or immune, to the Fire Flower's attacks) Invisibility and Intangibility (Boo Mushroom and Power Flower) Flight (True Flight. With the Red Star) Battle Cards: Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats, with Bowser's Battle Cards. Mario can increase his power in proportion to the amount of damage he's taken during battle) Statistics Amplification (With Battle Cards. Mario can increase the power of his Boots and Hammer up to 50%, his defense up to 50%, and his speed, for a limited time, up to 35%) Fire Manipulation (With Bowser's Battle Cards. This adds fire to any of Mario's attacks) Purification (Type 3. With Battle Cards. Mario can remove status effects from himself) Healing (With Battle Cards. Mario can restore 30% of his Health, or fully) Damage Nullification (With any of his Battle Cards. Mario can nullify any damage that may be taken once) Resurrection (With Peach's and Bowser's Battle Cards. Mario can resurrect a fallen ally) Statistics Reduction (With Battle Cards. Mario can lower the defense of an enemy by 50% and their power by 30% for a limited time ) Transmutation (With Toad's Battle Cards. Mario can transform an enemy into a Mushroom, though this has a chance to fail) Gear/Items (Mario & Luigi Series): Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats, with Knockout Boots, which increases Mario's striking power with each enemy he defeats. With Golden Hammer, Mario's power increases in proportion to the amount of coins he has) Passive Healing (With Doctor Socks, Nurse Socks, and Guardian Socks, all of which restore some of Mario's HP after a turn. He can also heal himself with Max Mushroom, Nut, Super Nut, Max Nut, Ultra Nut, and Star Candy)

[@prettymuchmemes9735]

a minute is 60 seconds. wth does he mean 9 minutes and 99 seconds 17:24 .... not that im against sonic mario is getting wiped

[@ChillMario_1V]

Mario it Mario Mario solos

[@beatlemaniacwaltdisneyfan4753]

Once again the video doesn't have common sense, No, 2 things: 1 the physics doesn't work towards Mario nor speed nor strenght it doesn't matter, if the enemy is faster or stronger hits equally. There's a thing nintendo does with Mario called Game mechanics which are there only to keep the Game more interesting, take them Out to see the actual truth if a lava ball doesn't hit white tanooki Mario, a lava pool wouldn't hurt him

[@codishotwell150]

did one of game Mario and Zelda included in a wipe out by Solaris from sonic 06 since he is a dimensional eater and a time wipe why I say this because since sonic lost world sonic met link and Yoshi which is part of Mario universe. and Mario and sonic met in the Olympics and Archie sonic Solaris was also in archie sonic I seen sonic affect other people's universe in real time. The Super genesis wave mega man which means sonic wipe out the whole Capcom universe since mega man is in the capcom universe will that also include Marvel to since marvel and capcom meet in the comics and Sabrina the teenage witch. that will include spawn to since he was in archie sonic as well as DC comics. since batman and spawn had a crossover in 1994 the comics book Ver of DC the most powerful Ver of DC I'm asking not trying to start an argument

[@bbogard4089]

The Solaris thing is the same yall just cherry picking

[@arynandarsh]

mario would win in a fight because he jump and has good ability sonic eats fat chillidogs

[@Sonic2universe1131]

Sonic wis

[@sansmans101]

Sonic got to much ops. He got Mario, flash, goku, rayman,

[@thelogicsonic5980]

Ops?

[@Thatonedrater]

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[@thelogicsonic5980]

@@Thatonedrater oh ok thanks

[@nathanielwilliams1815]

Let's keep this the games only because the Archie Sonic it will kill Mario and under a millisecond if not faster I'm sorry but I don't feel like that moral sense of chance against a guy who has the ability to just walk through stop time and yes that is Canon to the Archie Comics this is in base anything over base Overkill if you want to know the offences on how big of a stump this is Archie Classic Sonic is more than enough

[@rando6677]

Enough time has passed, Sonic always has and will win

[@MonkeyDLuffy4617]

I JUST FOUND OUT SOMETHING MARIO COPIED THE SUPER FORM FROM SONIC Plus sonic in Archie or not in the games he has no time limit in hyper or super PLUS HYPER SONIC IS CANON THE SUPER EMERALDS ARE JUST IN ANOTHER DIMENSION And you know what dimension that is yes Archie sonics dimension that's was made ultra sonic all the power rings plus 1 super emerald and Archie sonic is canon

[@chilidogsonic6774]

No he’s definitely talking about lore 6:26 just like sonic adventure sonic would be considered classic you did not cook this entire video 6:57 also in base sonic negs with forms sonic negs EVEN MORE even sonic from x one of the weaker non cannon sonics still neg in base and in super dark either way most if not all sonics win

[@arturliviu]

Mario has failed me Trully i am disappointed But no matter There are still plenty of fighters left Lets throw kirby into the mix Shall we

[@arturliviu]

@NormalYoshiMf uhm kirby Duh

[@arturliviu]

@NormalYoshiMf prove your point

[@imspector1506]

@@arturliviuhe was downplaying Mario every second

[@arturliviu]

@@imspector1506 we just got cooked again

[@KaQuan60_]

@@imspector1506no he wasn’t watch the full video and this time closer

[@DJWingoYT]

Sonic clears

[@LukeL77Moore]

Not about to lie you were doing to much

[@keystorm3646]

Sonic

[@user-py9sp9wf1y]

Sonic!!

[@thelogicsonic5980]

First lol

[@hypercrizotanuimformulache11]

Ngl is you say "So-LAR-is" you dont deserve this world. You dont deserve life at all. Solar-is is atleast understandable. It's the 2nd most popular way to pronounce it. But anything that is under it shall die.

[@IdontIanKnow]

Its “so lar is” cry about it🥱

[@user-hs4ku8dl4t]

Sonic wins sonic is a better fighter, he has more feats of power, and sonic is way more consistent with his strengths and speed blitz, people say Mario win because he scales to Bowser and Bowser survived a super nova people do realize that when Mario beats bowser he has to use the environment right? And Sonic is a way better fighter and is more consistent with his scaling and Sonic can easily speed blitz

[@biondigiacomo7176]

Well you are not wrong with mario using the environment, but there are also a lot of fights where he beats him with his own powers. Plus most of the final fights in Sonic games have him use the chaos emeralds, so...

[@user-hs4ku8dl4t]

Sure I’ll give you that but in sonic generation it’s proven soinic gets significantly stronger able to beat his opponents in his base form

[@user-hs4ku8dl4t]

@@biondigiacomo7176 ok give me one time mario beat bowser with his own power in cannon

[@biondigiacomo7176]

@@user-hs4ku8dl4t the Mario and Luigi games, a few Paper Mario games... those are the ones that i remember but there definetly are a few others

[@user-hs4ku8dl4t]

@@biondigiacomo7176 he had help

[@stealth_0167]

Mario would destroy Sonic fanboys never look at both sides of the argument they just make random crap up

[@MarioGamer2.0657]

Yeah, they're so annoying

[@stealth_0167]

@@MarioGamer2.0657 fax

[@AutumnLeaf06]

One word: hyper

[@FaproteYT]

Two Words: Not Canon

[@AutumnLeaf06]

@@FaproteYT 3 words: Fine then super

[@Shrinkshark20]

@@FaproteYTim don't know that much of sonic lore but. Sonic 3.is Cannon I'm pretty sure.

[@sansationalbadtimes1849]

In base form, Mario wins. With Sonic's super form, its a tie. Mario beat Dreamy bowser who has the power of inf immeasurable dreams aka universes and caught up to bowser who was destroying inf dreams (universes) 1 by 1. Super Sonic scales to time eater as they both ran to the end of time . Plus solories who comsumes inf timelines. And even if sonic beats mario, he has a clock which can rewind time if he's defeated and stacks with bottomless gloves. Plus the 1 ups. Mario wins base form. Neither win if its Super Sonic. Thats my opinion

[@hypersonic4562]

If your using 1 ups then sonic wins because he has infinite lives in frontiers

[@sansationalbadtimes1849]

@@hypersonic4562 1-ups are actual power ups

[@sansationalbadtimes1849]

@@hypersonic4562 and even if I didn't count that, he still has the clock to reverse time

[@hypersonic4562]

@@sansationalbadtimes1849 so does sonic, sonic has time travel and can literally run back in time and kill mario when he was a child

[@hypersonic4562]

@@sansationalbadtimes1849 1 ups aren't power ups, they're a game mechanic

[@amiremadmosadeghi2186]

Sonic