Who Wrote the Bible? - The Documentary Hypothesis

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[@Omni_G]

"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth." - Moses

[@SilveiraXIV]

I shouldn't be laughing 🤣 but i can't resist.

[@ObjcetSohwRael]

[insert Moses giving a medal to Moses]

[@gwit4051]

let us once again agree that this channel is too wholesome to argue under

[@Sci_X1]

Nah imma do my own thing

[@Blurby-Sir]

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[@Notiosorex]

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[@camdencoughran1732]

As a person who just graduated with a degree in biblical studies. This video is very well done and put together! I like how you touched on multiple hypotheses and not just one. Great Job Jake!

[@Kelvin_Rey]

Their is a degree for that? What job can you take with that degree? A priest?

[@camdencoughran1732]

@@Kelvin_Rey There are multiple jobs that you can get with this degree. I am a youth pastor, but this degree can help a person get jobs such as: priest, head pastor, associate pastor, youth pastor, worship pastor, missionary (long and short term as well as project organizer), evangelist, a Chaplin, a academic theologian, a professor, etc. This is all the ones I can name off the top of my head, but I am sure there is more!

[@Kelvin_Rey]

@@camdencoughran1732 i just learned this, and this is *SHOCKING*

[@camdencoughran1732]

@@Kelvin_Rey Before I was studying in this major I just assumed that pastor or priest was the only profession that would be available, but I was also surprised about have vast the world of biblical study actually is!

[@deleted9956]

​@@camdencoughran1732 how's the pay?

[@williamreely3455]

I read the entirety of the Pentateuch recently out of academic curiosity and more than once found myself thinking, "Wait, what? You just told me that / you repeated that three times now / that directly contradicts last chapter." If it were written by a single author, they were clearly in the late stages of severe cognitive decline.

[@salute4392]

2000 years of christendom shaken by williamreely3455

[@flavius7524]

@@salute4392Oh yes, because the vast majority of people who followed christian doctrine over the last 2000 years were intellectuals and polymaths

[@mmmeeee5007]

honestly i think most hardcore religious people are in some stage of cognitive decline 💀💀💀

[@zayobayo2175]

It's how ancient Hebrews just talked, repeating the same story with different detail. Like writing an essay - first an introduction and then a brief summary, then explain it again but in expanded detail, and then summarize it again. That and also using synonymous names for different ethnicities. Ishmaelites and Midianites were somewhat synonymous, like "British" and "English" could be today. Read the passages like this, for example: "'Come, let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother, our own flesh.' And his brothers listened to him" - Gen 37:27 "Then Midianite traders passed by. And they (the brothers) drew Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. They (the merchants) took Joseph to Egypt" - Gen 37:28

[@wannabe_scholar82]

​@zayobayo2175 But then, if the brothers sold him to the Midianites/Ishmaelites why did Reuben later come back and act surprised when Joseph wasn't in the pit anymore?

[@love_o3oz]

jake you're so powerful, you make somewhat-controversial videos and get no backlash, you have so much power edit: please stop replying to this comment, i dont think much of you (who are replying) arent much older than 15 and you obviously need to understand what roles religion and tradition plays in world politics

[@Blurby-Sir]

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[@clownguy9982]

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[@blep7467]

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[@mido3332]

What is controversial about explaining the Bible, isn't the job of Sunday school

[@love_o3oz]

@@mido3332 well he did kinda debunk a myth that most christians and most jews believe

[@laranjajefessor]

I always thought of the bible as just a book of rules, but now I see that it is much more a collection of understanding a culture.

[@neoqwerty]

Yeah, it's basically poems (that we've lost the cadence and flow of through translations, when you listen to people who know hebrew and contemporary prose and contextual wisdom it's a lot more poetic), some politics, some cultural history, passing down of religious rites (including the rules) and basically their version of aesop's fables, all stitched into a quilt. The apocryphal texts are also great (some of them solve plot holes in the bible, like the Book of Jubilees has the tale of Onan's brother preserved, Ethiopians translated it to english btw so you too can now finally figure out what onan did wrong, and it's not what onanism is). Also if you haven't read them, read the Infant Gospels, Jesus mirrors God when he creates a dove out of clay and breathes life into it like God did to Adam. (uh, spoilers I guess)

[@alienvisitor8393]

i agree but lets be honest, someone in history had done a reallllly bad job at collecting the different narratives and putting them into one source which is the modern bible we read today

[@KD-ou2np]

Often times it reads to me like a salacious soap opera that has really specific advice.

[@BasedKungFu]

​@@alienvisitor8393They weren't written to be one source that's why you can't make a cohesive Bible without trimming it down to a handful of books.

[@ErinyHany-ve9lp]

It's a collection of everything ( as a christian so don't attack me ) it has peoms, documents about Jesus, revelation,letters literally everything you can think of 😂

[@thehumanian634]

My dad is an ex Army chaplain and now a pastor so this is the stuff I always heard him and his various sect friends debate. This was a nice reminder of those times. Thank you and God bless.

[@pyrod3695]

I've always believed a scholarly and academic approach to the bible, even as a believer. For those disrupted by these claims, these claims don't ruin or make the faith unviable. The perfect truth is there written by the imperfect man.

[@_Circe]

Exactly!

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@_Circe like David was inspired by the spirit of the lord so was the writing of the text

[@bekambekm3200]

Amen

[@sonofcronos7831]

​@@durrangodsgrief6503the only book in the bible claimed to be divine inspired is Revelations. Even Paul in some of his letters says that he is the one speaking some things, not God.

[@sanukatharul1497]

​@@sonofcronos7831 Which verses are these?

[@bananatheo3796]

This is probably my favorite video of yours so far! It's really interesting looking at contradictions and hearing about theories as to why they exist!

[@ryanl2338]

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[@amypeters1950]

I can’t described how much I appreciate and love this source analysis, it is extremely helpful

[@Pollicina_db]

If anyone is interested in how the Bible was written I recommend a video about all the changes in the bible by Trey the Explainer. He also made many videos regarding some aspects in the bible. As a catholic I learned more from him and other people that are atheist than I ever did in church so I really recommend him.

[@Classic11221]

trey*

[@Pollicina_db]

@@Classic11221 Ah yeah sorry, I’ll fix it

[@archieames1968]

Well I mean if you're more interested in the supposed meta than of course meta commentators are going to be more your jam. You don't go to church to learn archeology theories and linguistic hypotheses. Just like you don't go to a yoga studio to learn the history of preVedic india. I think most of the 'I learned more from fill in the blank secular source than church' people are actually mostly interested in 'critical analysis' of religion rather than religion itself.

[@Pollicina_db]

@@archieames1968 I said it broughtly but I’ll explain it more to you. When it comes to us catholics once we’re 9 we go to the church classes to prepare ourselves for the first communion and at 14 for confirmatikn. We go in classes to our main priest and learn things about our religion. I remember that when we were 14 one boy asked the priest how was the Bible written and the priest didn’t want to answer the question even though its a simple one. In order to be a part of the religions one must not only blindly believe but also know straight fact: Bible was changed multiple times by people in order to reflect their own politics (unfortunetly). Many priests just say that Bible is straight up gods word, which is wrong. As a christian I think that the church should teach stuff like this, but they don’t want to because people would be too confused. That’s why I said that I learned more about the Bible history from atheist than I did from my own priest. Also, chuch IS the place to study the Bible and its teaching, its changes and its philosphy. But church these days is only a place of blind following with no critical thinking, I know that many people just go to church and never listen a word that the priest says. That’s it, I hope the comment wasn’t too long lol, your comment is a fair critic

[@limarien6405]

That's something I don't get, I was raised Christian and while I no longer believe had I stayed with the faith I would have definitely actually researched this stuff on my own instead of trusting the church to do it for me, and I don't understand how so many Christians don't have that mentality. Good on you for not being like that.

[@itamarsadan6089]

Jake, I think you managed to handle a pretty delicate and complicated subject incredibly well, while still remaining incredibly interesting and easy to understand. In other words, YOU DID GOOD (BTW, I'm not an expert, but I am a jewish, hebrew speaking, son of a rabbi)

[@CaptainphoenixofficialYT]

I always thought that the description of Moses' death was written by Joshua since he succeeds Moses in the immediate next book (but they still decided to call Moses the author since he wrote everything up until that point). I did not know about this whole documentary hypothesis. Thanks for that Jake. Also, slight detail you missed but the world wasn't a barren desert in the second interpretation of the creation story. A layer of the world was covered in a permanent mist, which is what moistened the earth and allowed plants to grow. The first time the world actually experienced rain was during Noah's flood (at least as far as I know. Anyone feel free to fact check me if there's a contradiction to that statement). But yeah, rain wasn't a thing for a while.

[@sonofcronos7831]

This ideia that rain did not exist until Noah is a modern creationist view. Even if true, it is only true in J source, but not in P, where there is no mention of this mist.

[@sonofcronos7831]

Also Joshua could not have written that text, not even Moses, because they clearly speak in a way where Moses or Joshua is a different person, and they also speak in the past, describing events that did not happened in the supposed time Moses and Joshua lived.

[@CaptainphoenixofficialYT]

​@@sonofcronos7831 It can't be modern if it were mentioned in the Bible itself however, I will admit that they only do mention it in J not P so there's that. However, if we're going by your logic, that means that even though it wasn't mentioned in P, that doesn't mean that it didn't exist entirely. Rain is still never mentioned until Noah (for both P AND J) so the mist could have actually been a thing.

[@CaptainphoenixofficialYT]

​@@sonofcronos7831 I feel like this comes down to personal belief. If you think that the Bible was written in the hypothesis method, sure go for it. If you think it was written by Moses and Joshua inspired by God (and later accounts and translations referred to them in third person instead of first), then I think that's also valid. Remember, the original texts don't exist anymore so there is definitely A LOT in the air up for debate.

[@gabrielgarcia7554]

Honestly Jake, your ability to dive into source materials as well as commentaries and academic theories regarding these subjects is quite impressive. I see you refer to your community college degree often as a gag however I truly believe that you exemplify the best attributes of a true scholar. If you’re up for the challenge I feel though that you would prosper and do well within a university course for a history major or something similar. You may humbly see yourself as an animator and youtuber however you really show the skills of a true scholar. Many other KZbinrs on here are not as thorough as yourself nor do they show the same degree of humility as well as willing to admit where they were incorrect or oversimplified something. I truly think you would thrive in an academic environment and any university would be proud to count you as a member of its alumni. Regardless, your videos are terrific and continue the great work. You should be very proud of what you have accomplished so far. Best wishes.

[@coolkid8608]

lol nice Chat GPT

[@thecianinator]

Why do you think this guy's a bot​@@coolkid8608

[@anthonyramos169]

As a Roman Catholic, I really enjoyed learning about this video and appreciate how respectful and informative it was. Keep up the good work man and I’d like to see more videos of this type if you can.

[@sams3046]

This video is blasphemous and against the teachings of the Church

[@PleaseIgnoreSomeofMyComments]

@@sams3046 The church don't want to inform you about this information. You should do more research.

[@yoboijerry5519]

Christians shouldn’t support atheistic views or even say “keep up the good work” plz check your faith and heart towards God , Jesus loves all yall

[@jonashassel5404]

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[@zimriel]

I am also a Catholic; although I do admit some sympathies toward Richard Simon (pronounced see-MONE), mentioned here. The Church teaches the immanent Christ at the Eucharist. That's it. The Church is acutely aware of at least two transmissions of the Pentateuch, namely the Greek and the Hebrew, which are not the same, and are accepted as equally valid transmissions from an earlier "Vorlage". Jerome's Old Testament was from the Hebrew and he was a saint. Other Church saints used the Greek. To those objecting to Senor Ramos above - Textual criticism is hardly a problem for our faith. If it is a problem for your faith, I humbly submit that your faith has the problem. We don't.

[@kaiserquasar3178]

the humility displayed by this dude is insane. Mad props for making good videos while also helping us learn stuff while directing us to more things that can help us learn more stuff.

[@yetanotherinternetdisaster]

literally love this channel, been watching since halfway through last year and i’ve genuinely learnt so much (:

[@The_KittenCatMEOW99]

The monotone “boioioing, arf arf. AWOOGA!!” I can’t😂😂😂 1:07

[@epoch-smog]

You put so much work into your videos to make it understandable, visually easy, and put together. Thank you for your work

[@YourName-eg8fx]

As an israeli who was burned out on all this stuff due to our education system forcing every student to take tanach classes (same concept as bible study classes), you did a really good job making the whole subject a lot more digestible and even enjoyable! Hope you can continue to cover stuff like this with you silly drawings and what have you :) edit: for everyone saying "free palestine etc etc." please stop. This is not the place for you to project yourselves on a situation you most likely know nothing about. I was making a simple statement as someone forced to learn this by our education system

[@lior_theboom]

מאוד תלוי במורה. תנך היה השיעור האהוב אליי.

[@YourName-eg8fx]

@@lior_theboom Oh yeah 100% but you're forced to learn it whether you want to or not which is a problem in and of itself.

[@rabbit_girl]

@@YourName-eg8fx לדעתי שיעור תנך אמור להיות על סיפורי התנך בלי להתעמק בכל הקטע הדתי. מורה אחת לתנך לימדה תנך כאילו זה אוסף סיפורים מעניינים ובגלל זה הכיתה התעניינה בשיעור שלה. מורה אחר התעמק בקטע הדתי בכל סיפור ואפילו הכריח אותנו ללמוד מדרשים ודברי צדיקים ואף אחד בכיתה האתיסטית שלי לא נהנה מהשיעורים שלו. מבינה כשמלמדים תנך כי זה הסיפורים של העם שלנו, לא מבינה למה להכריח ילדים שלא מאמינים בזה ללמוד יותר. שיעורי תנך לכולם אמורים להיות טעימה מהיסטוריה שלנו ואם מישהו רוצה להתעמק שילמד לבד בבית.

[@Swaxol]

@@rabbit_girl ok

[@Sapeiandme]

אני דתי אז לאדע קצת נפגעתי אבל קקה הוא אחלה אז למי אכפת

[@sarailopez3331]

I was so surprised you decided to tackle the more technical side of the Bible considering it can be quite a heavy and large topic. However you did a good job explaining this hypothesis that made easy to understand. Good job Jake! Can’t wait to see what else you do with this series

[@copiaspookie]

You did a good job at explaining this, I’m looking forward to seeing more videos you make on the bible!

[@carealoo744]

I'm very much appreciate this video. I've been looking for a breakdown of where the four different versions all fit in for a while. Thank you!

[@julcaos]

This was amazing! Great job on your research and fun editing.

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

The fact that nobody laughed at Dr. Richard's joke is the biggest crime against God.

[@Dosadniste2000]

care to explain the joke?

[@nicholas31415]

@@Dosadniste2000 The doctor tells Moses that he is [too tense]/[two tents]. I thought it was funny.

[@Dosadniste2000]

Thank you.@@nicholas31415

[@OdinAUT]

I gotta say Jake, once more a pretty awesome video. Also good to know that you know when not to overreach. Biting off too much can end pretty badly if you really start dividing your fanbase. Keep up the good work ;)

[@amytinaventures2335]

Man I think you should have a series because your number 1 in the top ten explainers in any subjet

[@57Strudel]

Well done! I took two courses on this very subject back in the dark ages when I was in college. You basically covered the entire first semester's worth of material in under 20 minutes and it was completely clear.

[@theanimefan00]

This is very good breakdown of the inconsistencies in the Old Testament. It is very interesting, how you can isolate different tellings of the same happenings. My hipotesis would be that somewhere along the line these texts were copied to make multiple copies, and there were copiers who just copied the text but couldn't really read it. Like chinese characters: you can learn to write/copy them even without knowing the meaning. The copiers may have worked from multiple sources put before them. The copiers may have switched the different sources around, may have ignored things to leave out, or such.

[@golden_tonk8169]

Jake Finding all the Retcons for the authors, what a helpful and nice guy!

[@Grag235]

Yeah! As a Christian, this was really helpful to learn more about, it’s interesting that there were multiple sources for the events, and they just thought about putting them all together, and honestly, I don’t hate it, either story still works, cause in the end, it’ll lead to the same thing, it doesn’t ruin The Bible as a whole, it just made it more confusing, but atleast the stories aren’t ruined (If there are more moments talked about one event of a scripture, like if it continues one storyline that one scripture was talking about, then we’ll probably know if that one is the true scripture, and which parts aren’t the true ones, making it easier with which parts to follow)

[@themightydontkneeltmdk2553]

Thanks for putting this in a way that was digestible and illustrated the point beautifully. Well done!

[@sebtyson9232]

Love these biblical studies vids! I learn so much!

[@steffplaysmapping1104]

The Hebrew Bible was an interesting subject before having a course on it. Now, I am just happy to see this with it no more being tied to an exam. Probably going to watch some of these professors. If they are good, I may end up wondering why I paid for a course on the Hebrew Bible.

[@legodavid9260]

A very important note: The Ishmalities and the Madinaties were probably just two different designations for the same group of people (we see the same thing elsewere in the Bible in Judges 8: 22-24). It would be the equivalent of reading in a history book that the Americans rebelled against the King of England, but when the war began, the Colonists didn't have the weapons they needed. "Americans" and "Colonists" are just two different designations for the same group of people. This is probably what is actually going on with the Madianites and Ishmalities in Genesis 37.

[@raymondwhatley9954]

The only confusion I still have about this is the part where the "Midianites" sold Jacob to the "Ishmaelites". Isn't that a bit like "The Colonists sold ___ to the Americans"?

[@legodavid9260]

@@raymondwhatley9954 InspiringPhilosphy has a video where he explains everything in depth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHzUoGl7qcd1p68

[@papalyosha]

The reason why we know that these are from two different sources and not just two different names is that if you write down sentences with Ishmalities on one piece of paper and sentences with Madinaties on another, then you get two complete stories without omission and repetitions: 1) Ishmaelites are passing by, brothers sold Joseph to them, they brought him to Egypt, and sold him to Potiphar. 2) Madinaties were passing by, they took Joseph from the pit, brought him to Egypt and sold him to Potiphar. Each fact (passing by, acquiring Joseph, bringing to Egypt, selling to Potiphar) appears in each story exactly once! What is probability that this would happen if someone uses Ishmaelites and the Madinaties just as synonymous? I bet $1000 you can't do this with Americans and Colonists in any historian books.

[@smogwulf]

@@papalyosha ur ability to take one story and (in ur mind) divide it into two may validate ur own assumptions, but for the rest of us we just be wondering how u thought it was perfectly acceptable to decide a passage is composite based upon linguistics alone (like where is this an agreed upon rule?)… homie makes a good point about the fact that a variety of terms could as easily mean a wide vocabulary of one individual over and against multiple (rather short-for-words) writers - why should it not? We can’t say what we don’t know and what we dont know is when a single one of these words were in popular use - all those things are guesses and theories…

[@papalyosha]

@@pistachio-cat1043 Gen 39:1: "...the captain of the guard, bought him from the Ishmaelites..."

[@leminjapan]

I've watched other videos on this subject, and I really like how you provide examples of the stories that contradict each other, rather than focusing on the chronology or grammar that make the doublets distinct (though that's an equally valid way to distinguish them). The examples made it more clear. Great video.

[@Cunt982]

If you want a deeper dive on the documentary hypothesis I would recommend Dr Joel Baden's lectures here on KZbin. He discusses Genesis all the way to Deuteuronomy.

[@Sonminiser]

These videos have been great! Keep making them!

[@blaze8862]

You say the goofy drawings comment sarcastically but it truly adds a ton of value. I care about inconsistencies in the Bible since it is my faith of choice but not enough to dedicate tens of hours looking into the subject and reading boring books and watching boring college classes. You're goofy drawings really do add a lot more value than you think allowing a kid to learn more about his faith in a timely and entertaining manor. Wish to make videos very similar to these in the near future. Keep up the great work.

[@jayvoorhies92]

Love this insightful video! So good to understand the discrepancies and inconsistencies in a text some take so seriously! I did my dissertation on cross-cultural folk tale origins and this is definitely bringing me back to my scholarly days 💕 Keep spreading the news dude 👍🏼

[@LushesBlushes]

Love the animation and comedic style dude! Fun content

[@jackboyer4889]

Duuude! That small edit of Dr. Elliot at the end was so funny, I’m gonna laugh of this for a good while. Thanks for the vid 🫡

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

definitely would love to see more old testament storied divided into their versions, it's interesting to pick them apart and see which ones might have been older or more influenced by Egyptians or Babylonians or whomever.

[@BuddyWhite616]

I think you did a very good job explaining everything i really enjoy your channel im so glad i found it i feel like you and extra history would make a great video together if you both made a 2 part collaboration video one on your channel an one on his

[@icypirate11]

This was a great video showing the robust evidence for the Documentary Hypothesis. I went through Richard Elliot Friedman's KZbin course and learned a lot. I even picked up his book _"The Bible: With Sources Revealed"._ Friedman is a pretty funny guy!

[@Dosadniste2000]

too/two tense? explanation for non-english speakers pls?

[@brchh]

The half-hearted "boioioing arf arf arf awooga" makes it ten times funnier.

[@starking2162]

My mom was nanny to a notable rabbi in the 90’s, and she had the chance to ask him about some of the Old Testament. What he told her, was that often times they (the Pharisees and equivalent Jewish leaders) would present people with 2-3 versions of what happened as a way to make it seem like they were making their own decisions about faith, since it’s easier to have someone go along with an idea/hold to a belief if they think they chose it fully willingly. Also, side note, if you combine the war in Revelations against the Dragon, with Genesis 1 and 2, and pretend there’s more than 1 god, it’s virtually just the Enuma Elish, which makes absolute sense that it’s the inspiration given Abraham, patriarch of the Israelite ancestry came from Ur, the ancient Sumerian city, later apart of Mesopotamia, for which the Enuma Elish is their creation myth

[@corncobmurphy1647]

thank you for making this video jake! as a Christian I truly appreciate you doing your research and going further than that and giving us more sources!

[@tusaniabigby9715]

Same

[@taradenaway5081]

You did a really great job explaining this.. You did a really great job explaining this..

[@Shattered3582]

very well put together Jake. i love your content for its historical humour, but loved this ones more serious tone when dealing with a more in depth topic. many christians i know would be offended about this being pointed out, and it is nice that you narrated this in a way that would not come across in the wrong way. also i loved the 14:25 meme

[@PauTheDeo]

Heyo Jake W. Unrelated to this video, do you know anything about Slavic Mythology? I think a video of your's talking about Baba Yaga and Koschei, the Leshy, ect would be amazing! But Slavic Mythology isnt too big and is forgotten in time. Anyway, cant wait for this videom

[@Blurby-Sir]

🍞breb

[@PauTheDeo]

​@@Blurby-SirGASP

[@Pollicina_db]

The problem with slavic mythology is that the old slav people didn’t write down alot of stuff they believed in and for him to properly research things he should search books and papers in slavic languages, because there’s little info in translated in english.

[@PauTheDeo]

@@Pollicina_db Yeah, I mentioned in my comment that it was "forgotten in time," It's a pity. I do think a full video could work. It doesn't have to be a series like the Greek and Norse ones. The stories of Koschei are eventful and can be summarized in a 10 minute videk

[@the_armada5579]

I'm an aethiest but was always intrigued with the history of religious text writing. This was a really interesting video

[@ryandaripper9937]

I just deconverted - Clarity now

[@the_armada5579]

@@ryandaripper9937 deconverted from what?

[@Taomantom]

As a recognized expert among my peers: I am in awe. You have a smooth delivery.

[@hopefulhyena3400]

I had heard about this before (perhaps oddly, in church), but I'd never heard it in such detail! This is cool!

[@wholefoods1145]

Something to keep I mind regarding the Genesis chapter 2 is the Hebrew translate. Hebrew is a complex language and has multiple forms, therefore in some translations like Niv and Esv, the Bible says that God called the animals that he HAD made, instead of making them then and there

[@Microtonal_Cats]

5:12 When God rested on the 7th day, he listened to "Lo-fi hip hop beats to relax/study to"

[@Je2422]

After some days of work you have earned yourself a sub. :)

[@sdastoryteller3381]

Oh that was fun. I favour the supplementary hypothesis personally. But your sense of comedy and artistic flair kept this video interesting, keep it up.

[@Grag235]

Thanks for explaining this! As a Christian, it’s interesting to learn more about how two different scriptures were put together, and how with either way, the stories still work, cause they’ll lead to a similar outcome, it doesn’t ruin the stories, but it does make it more confusing, so I’m glad this can be cleared up, thanks man! (If one storyline continues from what one scripture was talking about, with the events of that same story continuing, then we’ll probably know if that one is the true scripture, and which parts aren’t the true ones, making it easier with which parts to follow… atleast, that’s how I think the issue can be solved)

[@animegtrailer5208]

But the bible is the true word of God according to Christians right?? U can't cherry pick. U must accept them all. Am I wrong atheist to Christian?

[@tadijajo7644]

​@@animegtrailer5208The bible is meant to be the word of god interpreted by humans; Not literally what god said and god written down.

[@animegtrailer5208]

@@tadijajo7644 According to Christians the Bible is the literal word of God and can't be false. Which is ubsurd considering the many errors in the bible including translation errors, scientific errors etc

[@lyingboi2350]

@@animegtrailer5208 "According to Christians" as if Christianity as a whole agrees. There's a spectrum from "the Bible is the literal word of God" to "the Bible is written by humans, while God-breathed, and so there are imperfections" to "the Bible requires interpretation by the Church Fathers" (+Magisterium) to "the Bible is entirely man-made, but it does tell stuff about God I guess" Biblical innerancy is very new actually, originating in the 17th century or so.

[@RoyalRahim]

@@lyingboi2350Quran has no contradictions, look into Islam to become Muslim

[@Basta11]

Imagine doing a retelling of Batman. You have a collection of Batman material - Adam West version, the Michael Keaton version, Christian Bale version. If you try to preserve as much of each one, you’ll have major contradictions. My guess is that during the exile, every scroll they had from became sacred. Even if those scrolls came from divergent sects. Who ever compiled them together was trying to preserve as many stories as possible, hence the contradictions.

[@cecileepaigeflowerde]

I think the main difference here is that no one is following a Batman story as a faith and dictating their life choices (and trying to dictate the lives of others) based on the Batman story they grew up with/liked best.

[@YllaSjofn]

​@@cecileepaigeflowerdeYou're right, that's the only difference. The contractions still something both Batman and Bible have in common.

[@1timeagain]

I believe mostly the interpretation because Hebrew was a hard language to translate

[@YllaSjofn]

@@1timeagain Nope, the bible always tell us that she is mostly metaphors (exemple: Lambs are the followers of God; eternal fire ins't forever, it just means that it will destroy something that will never recover; etc...) a

[@SergioArellano-yd7ik]

Batman is just as real as the Bible.

[@christerholtze9757]

Great job, Jake, explaining some salient points of the Documentary Hypothesis. However, after considerable study, I am unconvinced that the contradictions expressed in this video exist at all. For a better understanding of the Pentateuch, and why many modern scholars refute the Documentary Hypothesis, I recommend “The Documentary Hypothesis”, eight lectures by the eminent Hebrew scholar, Prof. Umberto Moshe David Cassuto (1885-1951). I also highly recommend his commentaries on the books of the Pentateuch (several volumes of heavy reading) which can make sense of the many apparent contradictions that appear in our modern translations due to our way of thinking. With an understanding of the history, geography, culture and literary tradition of the time of the writing of the Pentateuch, Cassuto’s commentaries can help one arrive at the sense that the words of the Torah were intended to have for the reader at the time when they were written. As Cassuto put it “It was not my object to defend any particular viewpoint or any particular exegetical method, but only to arrive at a thorough understanding of the Torah's meaning, whatever that might be.”

[@mikaela2879]

so excited for this vid!!!

[@larvasupershow]

If you’re up for the challenge I feel though that you would prosper and do well within a university course for a history major or something similar. You may humbly see yourself as an animator and youtuber however you really show the skills of a true scholar.

[@larvasupershow]

jake you're so powerful, you make somewhat-controversial videos and get no backlash, you have so much power

[@whoputmeinamircowave]

I didn't even watch this and I know I'm gonna enjoy it

[@dinomike2134]

Same

[@gianna-rm9if]

Me to?

[@cat_supernova2242]

same. where you one of the BREB? 🍞🍞🍞🥖🥖🥖

[@Blurby-Sir]

Breb🍞🥐🥖🫓🥨🥯

[@Blurby-Sir]

@@cat_supernova2242 Breb🍞🥐🥖🫓🥨🥯

[@Gady______]

Yo Jake dropped another Bible vid 🔥🔥

[@melissazegeer7130]

Just want to say. I love your content. Thanks!

[@patricktalley4185]

Great summary of the documentary hypothesis. Thanks. I’m a cradle Catholic, and attended Catholic schools my whole life. We were never taught that the Pentateuch was factual history or science. It was always presented as theology. The entire Bible (OT and NT), we were taught, was not a single book, but a library containing theological literature of a variety of genres compiled over a thousand years by dozens of writers: myth, legend, history, poetry, law, wisdom, biography, and apocalyptic writing. It is a stunningly beautiful artifact of ancient culture and deep wisdom that has miraculously endured for 3000 years. Even the non-believer must recognize it’s unique power as a tool for contemplating the most compelling and difficult and questions of being. For me, it is the inspired word of God, who’s true message and meaning continues to be slowly revealed to us in accordance with our evolving capacity for understanding.

[@genericguy_]

Its a monumental testament to how violent & primitive human beings are

[@zach415]

Jacob wrestled with Jesus. This is the Christian interpretation. Whenever the Bible mentions “THE angel of the Lord” in the Old Testament it is the pre-incarnate Christ 5:52 this is not describe literal sequence of events. There has been much debate over this but Saint Augustine believed the sequence of days to be a metaphor for something God did “in a single moment.” The book of Genesis is not a literal scientific account but it’s very poetic

[@alexanderthomas8784]

Well done! I teach this stuff and you did a fabulous job

[@dproduzioni]

Awesome work! I hit the button when I spotted the reference to the stuttering beginning meme :DD

[@chase_m1892]

Keep up the good work Jake👍

[@Blurby-Sir]

🍞breb

[@RandomPerson-iv2cg]

Hey I love your videos and I was wondering if you'd ever do videos on the hindu religion. I'm sorry if you've already answered this in the past, but I think that hinduism has amazing and entertaining stories just like the biblical stories or the Greek/Egyptian mythology and I'd love to see you cover it.

[@NoButIGotCheezWhiz]

Huh. Thank you for shaking my faith, I have a lot to look up and think about now.

[@MMajor13]

Even as a child I definitely noticed how the style of narration noticeably changes between Bereshit and the Exodus, but the docu hypothesis and others adjacent to it do a great job explaining this and many, many other discrepancies in the text.

[@user-tq3lp5in5o]

Joseph's shirt, the "כותונת פסים" probably doesn't refer to either a shirt with stripes (the literal translation suggests) and also probably doesn't refer to a multicoloured shirt. A "כותונת פסים" was actually in the past a shirt with special sleeves. (I don't remember exactely what's special about them)

[@Stejers]

I bet all religions, mythology and foklores are just jake travelling back in time and showing his videos to people thousands of years ago

[@JoSheperd]

*You know to much.*

[@johnnyrocketed2225]

Just gave me a ton of digging to do. I love it! 😊

[@Paztelle]

WOOOO NEW POST FROM JAKEE

[@romulusnuma116]

You did a really great job explaining this.

[@filmfocusmind]

To make using Hebrew easier in future videos, most of the time when Hebrew is written, vowels are not included. Vowels in Hebrew are the tiny symbols that go around the letters to form syllables. At least this is what I was taught in my denomination.

[@Mr._Dooter]

Man, im sad i cant watch the premiere, today im moving😢. Cant wait to see it afterwards

[@mundolopez8952]

This is one of the most fascinating videos I think I’ve ever seen

[@Rongi_23]

The Hebrew pronunciation was better than I expected Can't wait for the next one

[@foxpokemonforever4775]

The reading I take with Genesis 1 is more symbolic than anything else. On the first three days God creates space, and then fills the space on the next three days, and the passage is meant to emphasize that he’s a God of order. Just like you described in 7:43

[@tabularasa0606]

It's all just stories, nothing from the book can be taken literal.

[@KING-hb5wh]

@@tabularasa0606Historical accounts can

[@legueu]

Love the editing on the two tents joke at the end.

[@LiMe251]

Please do a video regarding how greek and roman mythos differs (you referenced the possibility of one in your "stuff i got wrong about greek mythology" video)

[@MCKevin289]

This is literally 17 weeks of my college biblical archaeology course summarized in 17 mins.

[@joshuamelvin1767]

And now, Jake, it's time to discuss Pre-Adamite Theory: Genesis 1 talks about God creating the universe (including humanity) and Genesis 2 talks about the Garden of Eden, Adam, Eve and his specific family (after the general creation of humanity). 🙂 In Seminary, our OT professor said that all of this is still debated, but you should never make it a sermon topic. You did great!

[@scottlarson1548]

Thanks for pointing me to the Wikiversity version. I've been using Richard Elliot Friedman's "The Bible with Sources Revealed" for years and I still get lost with how he chose the fonts and colors for the various sources.

[@zheil9152]

I agree with the channel inspiring philosophy on the point that this hypothesis makes the story a lot more divisive between “authors” than it actually is.

[@kvd1027]

it was me. i did it.

[@GeorgeofEld]

Do better.

[@maviiboy]

Hey Jake! I’d love to see your take on the Book of Mormon! I think it would make a pretty good video imo

[@RiceNoodles_]

💀

[@tabularasa0606]

A load of bullcrap written by a convicted conman

[@gordonhaire9206]

Excellent presentation. I have the 12 volume Interpreters Bible, published in the early to mid 1950s.

[@PauTheDeo]

Lets go! Jake Doubleyoo new videooooi

[@PauTheDeo]

​@@Christopher-JaydenI appreciate that but I'm Christian.

[@zaidkiwan5168]

i think it would be interesting for a later video to show the differences between the christian, the jew, and the islamic version of the old stories since they mostly have the same people.

[@00jelwes]

That two tents joke is comedy gold

[@darkangelplays3330]

Please do more of these

[@M79609]

I loved that at 12:12 you accurately depicted the Egyptian pyramids as being white with gold on the top, which is how they did look at the time.

[@mathieuleader8601]

I first heard about Plutarch from the Simpsons episode where Bart became a Catholic and Lisa said "Bart's speaking latin the langauge of Plutarch," "What the language of Mickey's Mouse's dog," Homer replied

[@Pluto-yf6fy]

Awesome job as always man, a brilliant and interesting video! So worth the money I give each month!

[@Kirkklan]

I wonder if some of the repetition is there for the sake of repetition since (if my memory's correct) this was/is all oral before it got written down. Also, one reconciliation for the whole "Who traded Joseph" issue could be that the traders gave Joseph to other traders before he ended up in Egypt. Then again, the most important detail is that he got to Egypt.

[@KayMeyer-ii5sm]

You know I honestly can't stand organized religion but your videos are so fascinating to watch I just can't stop watching them