Doctor Who Has FINALLY Debunked One Of Its Longest-Standing Myths

[@WhoCulture]

Should the Daleks appear in Season 2?

[@BrysonBacklund-q1o]

Yeah probs

[@jonnyboyt]

Ya

[@JSP_1147]

Hell yes

[@emmabaxter4395]

Yes you can’t be a doctor and not meet the daleks at least once

[@mareiramv]

No.

[@Faction.Paradox]

Tom Baker had two Dalek stories in 7 years and that was one of the most popular & iconic eras of the show. The Daleks are a foundational part of the show, but if they turn up too much they become wallpaper. Each Dalek & Cybermen story should feel big and anticipated, not "here they are again". Not to mention the series desperately needs new recurring villans.

[@babs5968]

Good comment, I think many of us have this belief that the daleks were always there in the original series and really that is far from true.

[@CrazyFool75]

As iconic as they are - and as much as I like seeing them - they need to be rested for a good few years now. If the Pantheon of the Gods thing is going to play out properly, the Daleks shouldn’t be anywhere near it. Unless they rock up in the very last episode of that story arc and exterminate the Toymaker…

[@JackRascal]

Yeah, I remember they were killed off in 1967 as well, didn't come back for five years.

[@whophd]

Twice in Tom Baker was too infrequent. Whereas Pertwee had them too often (and really deserved the Cybermen, just once).

[@syriustank]

Say what you want about Season 11, I really liked that they at least tried to make new villains.

[@Roxor128]

Go at least another two seasons without the Daleks. Once every 3-4 years would be just fine with me. EDIT: Hell, have 15 be the first post-Time War Doctor to never run into them at all, and have his successor lampshade it when they do end up running into them for the first time with a line like "Well, at least I got one regeneration in without running into you lot."

[@kaizoc5314]

Did the 14th see any Daleks? I know he was around for like 3 hours but still

[@Lochtimus-1701]

@@kaizoc5314 unless he ran across them off camera, no, he didn’t

[@Roxor128]

@ Maybe if you count the short Children In Need special where he briefly lands on Skaro prior to their creation.

[@rlacksgh9673]

He probably will run into them in some comic or Big Finish story

[@BlackVeilSavior]

@@kaizoc5314technically, if you take a 2023 comedy special into account, 14 is the reason they have a plunger instead of a deadly looking claw. And named the Daleks for a human Davros.

[@gulfofmexico1569]

The Daleks are the Borg of Doctor Who. They appear because they are fan favorites. Who doesnt love the Daleks? Just like the Borg, they key is not to over use them, which has been a problem in recent years. For both Trek and Who.

[@michele219]

I don’t love the daleks. I’d be content to wait til Disney season 3 to see them again. They are iconic, and a break is nice.

[@whophd]

Gasp! How dare you … invert that analogy 😅 But yes. These monsters are so effective for their inhumanity, and as a kid I loved how hard they were to negotiate with. Douglas Adams had a line in his books along the lines of “it was evil, but not evil as a maniac that kills you, more the evil as a motorway barrier that kills you”. The Borg used that brick-wall aspect to the hilt, quite effectively in their most famous / favoured episodes. And then the Borg Queen was either inevitable or unwelcome or both. 😞

[@retrogiftsuk4812]

I've always thought 1 of the reasons they were used so much in modern who is because they don't look like a man in a rubber costume. They are sooo not human. Also, from a production perspective, they are cheap to use. You don't have to wait hours for an actor in make-up (having rubber glued on, or their skin painted). They were already redesigned in 2005 (so no additional cost for design or props). They work well as CGI as well as live action (not all aliens do). With split screen you can easily make an army of daleks.

[@NicoleMellott]

Joy was a no-go for me

[@ghostmachine71]

The Cybermen and Daleks have both been overused. The Master was also heading in that direction.

[@philread6981]

Dalek 1: "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE...." Dalek 2: "Exterminate? That's... ... Wait our bodies are literally made for war." Dalek 1 "WHAT OF IT? " Dalek 2: "Are....are we the baddies?"

[@esmerat]

am i the bad guy? (dream smp reference)

[@Timmzy27]

An episode from the perspective of a Dalek? I like it. Perhaps it could be one of the very first ever made (after 14 gave Davros tips on their creation), a test Dalek, still learning its casing and what it even means to BE a Dalek still kinda having actual moral thoughts while Davros slowly “works out the kinks” until we get the Daleks we know and love/hate. Throw in a plot about raging war on the time lords or something to fuel motivation and you’ve got a solid starting point

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNitpicker]

Tbh the best Who story idea I’ve heard from fans, probably ever. They could even drag it out over a season with little sections popping up in different episodes with progress, and then do a whole inside from their perspective episode. Kind of like BSG did when they did that episode from Ellen‘s perspective after her death.

[@1FatLittleMonkey]

Especially early on, if they weren't the "bad guys" in such an unambiguous way. The perpetual war on Skaro in Genesis Of The Daleks needed to end. They had moral superiority as the means to an end. They didn't need the obsessive xenophobia that we see afterwards, although it was present. Our POV proto-Dalek can be a more rounded being, with a conscience, and the story shows there was a chance to turn the Daleks into something more, but the events of the story (including the actions of the Doctor) make them freely choose to _become_ the xenophobic purists that we know & love.

[@jesseszymcik3026]

@@Timmzy27 i loved being heartbroken for soufflé girl

[@AlexOnABoat]

I always felt the appearance in "The Wedding of River Song" was important for two reasons. As a plotline, dropping a Dalek eyestalk on the counter certainly establishes that despite looking like a skinny geek in a tweed jacket you're actually not to be troubled with. And as a way of showing that as a showrunner you've realised the New Paradigm Daleks (because it is an NP Dalek we see) were a mistake and you're killing them off pronto.

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

New Paradigm ? You mean the go go power dalek ?

[@Chuckf66]

Ikea Daleks.

[@raphaelmerriman4901]

Mighty Morphin Power Daleks.

[@danielriley8131]

@@Chuckf66iPhone Daleks

[@DrgnSpawn]

The Skittle Daleks?

[@adrianbruce2963]

There's a part of me wishes that the story "Dalek" had been the last time that we saw them, because in that story, RTD subverted so much of what we expected of the Doctor and of the Dalek that it would have been a perfect ending for them. The wish doesn't last long - but still.

[@ericgjovaag7958]

Let's not forget, without the Daleks, "Doctor Who" would NEVER have become the phenomenon it is now. Dalekmania in the '60s kept the show going longer than it had any right to, bridged the transition from William Hartnell to Patrick Troughton, and to many in the UK are equally as important to the show as the Doctor. That said, they need to be used sparingly, and they need to be shown as clever and cunning in a really good, cracking story with higher stakes than usual. Maybe not every year, but they should always feel like they're just around the corner and ready to unleash some new plan on the universe. I will throw in one possible story seed: Whatever became of the Thals?

[@candraslinger1955]

The Daleks are supposed to be 1 of the biggest and most feared enemies in the franchise. Having the CONTRATICULAARLY OBLIGED contrasts that completely. Makes ZERO sense

[@AHoundOnAHonda]

"Makes ZERO sense". -- Rather like the word "CONTRATICULAARLY"! 😉

[@candraslinger1955]

@AHoundOnAHonda go outside mate

[@AHoundOnAHonda]

@@candraslinger1955 Why, is outside reserved for people with a sense of humour?

[@RoryLittle-y5i]

@@AHoundOnAHonda "KONTRACTUALIZE! KONTRACTUALIZE! KONTRACTUALIZE!" ;)

[@AHoundOnAHonda]

@@RoryLittle-y5i LOL!! 😂

[@whophd]

Ellie, I’m upset that you’ve lumped in the 13th Doctor Dalek stories in some kind of trend line! The first season of Jodie Whitaker was so removed from the existing vibe and had NO existing monsters, that the Dalek return really WAS welcome - but it’s more true because of the way they returned. They were SCARY again with the way they became unkillable and went into the zombie genre. In fact all three Chibnall stories made me love him for some really good Dalek writing - the final one, “Elf Storage”, was SOOO CREEPY and I haven’t felt that since I was 10 or 12 years old. Well done for that. These were fresh, angry incarnations compared to the ones in a “parliament” or having a crisis of goodness or the ones building a 1930s skyscraper with pigs and using their casing as a sauna to bake a frankencake with human ingredients.

[@Lukecash2]

I have to agree Chibnall did do great Dalek stories. Fresh and original, especially getting gbThe Doctor in a time trap!

[@DrWhoFanJ]

That’s the strangest misspelling of "Eve of the Daleks" I’ve ever seen! (And Jodie Whittaker had no seasons.)

[@mattthesilent777RED]

@@DrWhoFanJ Just shut up

[@whophd]

@@DrWhoFanJ Do you mean “series”?

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@whophd Jodie Whittaker had series, yes, but that’s not technically what I meant as my sentence was that she didn’t have any seasons.

[@candraslinger1955]

A break was definitely necessary for the Daleks, but that break hasn't been long enough still

[@playtime_foxy]

Yea, one .ore series then let it begin

[@billiepotts1541]

indeed-don’t let them appear until 15’s ready to go, and then let the Daleks take him out.

[@SPAnComCat]

The more Delayed and Built up the Gratification is, the more Intense and more Satisfying the Gratification when Released! If the Daleks come back in a big way, I will be so Excited!

[@Roxor128]

@@billiepotts1541 Not a bad idea, but I wouldn't mind it if 15 never faces them at all. Then have them show up in 16's first season, and lampshade it with a line like "I knew having one regeneration without meeting you lot was pushing my luck."

[@strodey123]

Id be happy not seeing them until Season 3, whats the score so far, the doctor 50 - 0 Daleks? Theres only so many times he can single handidly beat the aliens that are meant to be the biggest killers in the universe in a single episode.

[@willgraham1044]

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[@JudgeJosephDredd1989]

There may not be a season 3 these first two seasons are going down the toilet.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@JudgeJosephDredd1989They really aren’t.

[@Roxor128]

Matt Smith had an episode called "Victory of the Daleks" where the pepper-pots got what they wanted, so that's at least one point to them.

[@DrgnSpawn]

@@JudgeJosephDredd1989 The Disney Musical Numbers in every episode killed it for me, didn't even finish the first season...

[@Frankjc3rd]

I have always called Daleks overgrown salt and pepper shakers with delusions of grandeur!🧂🌶️👑

[@Charliefarley170287]

I love Ellie’s idea of a Dalek perspective episode. There was a Big Finish new writers competition over the summer which had to feature the Time War and Daleks. Originally my plan was to write a story of the Dalek’s perspective of The Doctor but I struggled to fill the required word count with their lack of emotional range. I did still feature a little bit of their perspective so my idea wasn’t entirely wasted. Sadly didn’t win the competition but I’ve posted the short story on AO3 with the title Day Of The Amewrit. (Amewrit is an anagram of Time War and we all know the show loves an anagram)

[@digitig]

"Are we the baddies?"

[@IreneWY]

Where does one find out about big finish new writer competitions?

[@Charliefarley170287]

@@IreneWYI can’t remember exactly where I found the link but all the info was on their website. Hopefully it’ll be mentioned on the social medias in the spring or early summer.

[@Charliefarley170287]

@@digitig 😂

[@TheDoctorWhoDon]

Hold off till season 3, at least.

[@Nennius01]

Tease a Dalek return during Season 2. Name check them more and more towards the end of the Season. Build it up. But I agree, wait until Season 3.

[@conwarlock3537]

An episode from a Dalek POV would be an interesting idea, seems ideal for a doctor-light episode. I do however see the problem that if we were to constantly have the actual Dalek POV(with the fisheye effect, and the color filter and the UI) it might be hard on the eyes.

[@digitalcurrents]

Dalek's have no personality. The closest they came to doing this was making Clara a Dalek and killing her off. Her personality made it interesting.

[@eddieday-reilly5144]

What's with this Doctor -light business. The show is called Doctor Who for a reason, the premise of the show doesn't mention anything about the Doctor being absent from stories, especially in this modern telling of stand alone 45-50 min episodes.

​@@digitalcurrentsreally? How about rusty, in both of his appearances?

[@beatadalhagen]

I'd like to learn what the Thals have been up to.

[@Roxor128]

Ooh! Yes please! Wasn't the last time we saw them under John Pertwee's tenure?

[@jeremymcclary3901]

0:30....well, that's because it's been quite a while since Capaldi played the Doctor in a proper episode.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

And Jodie Whittaker, David Tennant and Ncuti Gatwa have done so in proper episodes since.

[@DrGamingPlays]

If I had to guess, I would say the myth of them needing to appear in every series is just that... a myth. If I recall, I think the reason why did not appear in series 6 except for that cameo is that it was decided to give them a rest. On that note, it may have been awhile since we have seen the Daleks on screen, but it hasn't been that many episodes since Power of the Doctor, so I am 100% fine with them not appearing in series 2 (series 15 or whatever you want to call it).

[@M.L.Shaw.]

The Daleks are by far the most iconic antagonists that the Doctor faces. We don't need a contract to explain why they show up so much. That's like asking why so many Batman movies include the Joker.

[@tzarg]

'why do they keep putting in daleks in all the stories' 'okay, so after this little break of literally only one season, I REALLY REALLY want another Dalek story' paraphrased but like isn't this WHY they keep putting them in; because people enjoy them?

[@davidharshman7645]

I always just assumed the Daleks are so beloved a part of Who Culture that the creators wanted to use them a lot. Whether as a writing crutch or a fun Easter Egg or a powerful, weighty villain.

[@John_Smith_60]

The way I had heard the rumor wasn't that _Doctor Who_ *_HAD_* to use them every series/season, but that the show got to keep the rights to use them only if they *_USED_* them, _i.e.,_ every season. If they didn't use them in a season, they would lose the current rights contract, and if they wanted to use them again they would have to renegotiate the rights.

[@rotwang2000]

@@John_Smith_60 On the other hand, the Beeb forgets them one season and they lose the rights ... It's not like somebody would pick them up and add them to their fanfic of Lord of the Ring or somesuch ... Also a lot of things were invented since Nation passed away, so this whole rights thing sounds a little off in that you probably couldn't sell the rights outside Dr Who without losing most of their established back story. All you get are scary robot things screaming exterminate.

[@John_Smith_60]

@rotwang2000 I have always assumed that the BBC has had to pay the estate some amount for the rights. A new agreement might mean a larger amount.

[@themicsterend095]

We haven't had the Autons in 15 years! It would be cool to see them again!

[@doctor_sixty]

I think they are in every season because they are great and iconic and people wanna see them. that's it.

[@HariSeldon913]

The main problem I had with bringing back the Daleks is how they were supposedly "completely and ultimately" destroyed each time. If you're going to keep bringing them back, quit telling us they're gone for good.

[@michaelr1661]

Yeah but that was a problem for the tenth Doctor, since back then, it really was stated that they were gone. I dont remember any charaters saying they were completely detroyed past 10

[@EdisonTheFox]

I think I would like another year off from the Daleks... Maybe reboot the Cybermen properly, I want Moonbase Cybermen!

[@MarkMichalowski]

Dalek (to another Dalek): "Are _we_ the bad guys...?" (c Mitchell and Webb)

[@mousermind]

"...I fully believed that this was true. I had no reason to question this as a thing..." That's what's wrong with our society these days.

[@jacobskuczas7027]

The Daleks may not have appeared in Season 1, but in Empire of Death, The Doctor mentions Skaro and Mel says "The Daleks are dead." So, they still got a mention.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Season One*

[@prizegotti]

Moffit said the reason for no Daleks in series 6 was because he decided to "rest" the Doctor's arch-enemies the Daleks for the series, as being the "most frequent" enemies of the show made them "the most reliably defeatable enemies in the universe".

[@killingragethrowback]

This is pest control!

[@lizardgirl413]

it couldn't have been just any alien in The Waters of Mars, it needed to be a time-sensitive alien to explain why it left her alone (because she is supposed to die later in a fixed point). So that severely limits the options of which alien it could be, and a Time War Dalek fits the bill perfectly

[@jankreft6753]

Moffat just loves the Daleks and thinks new Doctor doesn't become the Doctor until they face the Daleks 😅

[@shauntempley9757]

That is true. We see this in Classic Who, where the Doctors only come into their own until facing them.

[@voteforCal]

Daleks DO have emotions (hate, anger, fear, sassyness). They’re not emotionless, that’s Cybermen 🖤 I can’t wait for them to return, I want some of that classics RTD good Dalek dialogue!

[@xyreniaofcthrayn1195]

Daleks, cybermen and a weeping angel are on the board of directors of villenguard i'm calling it.

[@ChicagoPaul76]

I'll be happy with a season 2 appearance by Daleks, Cybermen, or Weeping Angels. Wouldn't be at all upset with the Silence making an appearance. But we're almost certain to get the Master, right? After an unknown person picked up the Toymaker's gold tooth.

[@Danielgeorgegaunt]

Twist: season 1 was a simulation made by the daleks

[@adamrothschild7960]

They appeared in the Star beast as a voice-over and stuffed animals Rose made.

[@TastySalamanders]

Also, while they didn't appear in Season 1 - they did get mentioned in Empire of Death. When the Doctor is listing planets dying due to Sutekh he mentions Skaro and Mel responds with a remark about the daleks being dead. So not an outright appearance but still.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@@TastySalamandersSeason One*

[@Nicolas-lz6pg]

@@DrWhoFanJ why did you correct 1 for one ?

[@DrWhoFanJ]

@ Because they mean two different things in the context of that sentence.

[@0llieWells]

@@DrWhoFanJNot quite sure I understand. What different things do they mean? Is it to differentiate the Gatwa “season one” from the Hartnell “season 1”? If so, gotta say this is the first time I’ve noticed anyone point out a distinction between the two, I’ve seen “one” and “1” used interchangeably since the announcement of the season number reset and not caught anyone pointing out a distinction before!

[@hollybushrailway]

I hope they're not too much longer in coming back, but I do think they should be used fairly sparingly. Also when they do come back, they need to be dangerous. They'd become too predictable and regularly defeated. A big Dalek episode with them being a serious threat, in the way that Series 1 episode 'Dalek' with a single one taking out Van Statten's entire private army.

[@badfairy9554]

'Joy To The World'. The toilet plunger;' is this lowed?' So funny.

[@whophd]

It’s almost RTD2 or, more likely Steven Moffat, lampshading it and provoking the fan theory specifically

[@timothybarnett1006]

Can't be the only person thinking (hoping TBH) that Valingard is going to be a Dalek front, and the reveal is going to be the cliffhanger leading into the season finale.

[@grahamchamberlain3141]

Hmm. How about the other way around...

[@judithstrachan9399]

Both good ideas. Although daleks aren’t real good at camouflage….

[@maximilianklemm6369]

I count the joke! =) And a Dalek Dance Number woulde be funny! =D

[@adrianbruce2963]

We nearly got a Dalek musical number with Ra-Ra-Rasputin...

[@reececowell6642]

I'd like to see the return of differently coloured Daleks

[@RoryLittle-y5i]

I'd love to see the return of Krynoids, but it probably never will happen! :(

[@StratosHawk]

No! Not The Wiggle Daleks!!

[@daveinhell7476]

This isn't a Myth. It's a Theory.

[@callmesky-ty3od]

A film theory

[@ImmortalAbsol]

8:06 "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further."

[@LewisBuck2005]

Hey yo, is that a Star wars Reference.

[@grabate]

With the Disney + deal, you'd think BBC would want to tap into American Dalek merch, they just a good story to reintroduce them.

[@the-scamp]

Good to hear Ellie's clipped tones again. Let's hope the bloody Darlek's don't return!

[@Donnagata1409]

Amen to that

[@michaeltortorice9876]

If by the spelling you're suggesting that she's pronouncing it correctly, I agree.

[@elizabethgrosvenor153]

I think it was true. Not just how often they appeared, but also the type of stories. They were getting sillier and more desperate. There are now 4 different in-canon ways they merge with humans (Evolution of the Daleks, Oswin in Asylum of the Daleks, everyone else in Asylum of the Daleks/Tasha Lem, the archaeologist from the first special in the Whittaker era). But this is quite a different character trait than the ones in the big Dalek stories who are all about force and domination. That's before we even get to Into The Dalek, which felt a lot more like "what else can we do with a Dalek?" than "here's a story we really need to tell", especially since it's so close to and so similar to Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. Feels like they had the latter plot first and then rehashed it. I am glad they're not still popping up every season. I agree they should come back, but not quite yet. 2025 Christmas special at the earliest, but better 2026. After (or perhaps the finale of) season 3 seems the time to me.

[@jakeollyb]

I'd love to see the Daleks back, but I've had a problem with them for AGES now. I don't know if it's just that I'm getting older and their effect has worn off, but especially back in Eccleston's era, the Daleks were scary! They were threatening and felt unstoppable! Now they show up and are beaten just like any other enemy. Like, why are these guys one of the most feared races in the universe if they can just get blown up with any old plasma rifle or buzz of the Doctor's sonic? I want RTD to tap back into what made them the ultimate Doctor Who villain back in 2005 and make the the terrifying murder bots they are! Remember Captain Jack's words in The Stolen Earth; "There's nothing I can do... I'm sorry.... we're dead..."

[@gferrol118]

When we do get new dalek episodes, I hope we go back to something like the first revival episode with them. Where just a single dalek is a massive threat. Not thousands of them

[@t3kscarecrow474]

I think it would be really cool if they did more stuff in the universe. I mean, if they took these iconic villains and such, and had more ongoing, background things happening. Like 13 kind of had this with the Cyber Wars, and 11 hinted at this with the 12th Cyberfleet or something like that. But what I want is like maybe Daleks questioning their values is more widespread than is believed, based upon evidence, (it seems quite easy to "turn" a Dalek), so maybe enough of them did so that they made their own fleet etc; The Good Daleks or something like that lol, and they would be warring with the Daleks ongoing, in the background

[@blanktenshii_9554]

In Empire of Death Mel mentions the daleks though, would that still count?

[@Nathanielb721]

We need the autons to return. It’s been since episode one of series one

[@cardsfanboy]

At least one returned in Pandorica Opens. Season 5 episode 12. (and also cameoed in the much beloved episode Love & Monsters)

[@DrWhoFanJ]

⁠@@cardsfanboySeries* 5. (And Rory was still an Auton in _The Big Bang_ as well.)

[@DrWhoFanJ]

The Autons were not in _Space Babies._

[@Nathanielb721]

Well that still is a long time. its been about 14-15 years since The Big Bang aired.

[@michaellangwaller]

I have a Dalek-centric story I wrote back in the original series that would have worked then because The Doctor was more of a side character and came in late in the story. The story would lead a new faction of Daleks that not only had to deal with encounters the original Daleks but also with the legacy of and hated toward the Daleks.

[@Badwolf_editz]

Is it just me or did Martha’s words like perfectly lined up with Ellie’s???

[@libraryplayer9154]

I've always thought the Daleks having to appear every series/year was just a myth. I do suspect it may have been more BBC accountants though - e.g. "we've paid for them so you have to use them" - rather than an agreement with the Nation estate. With Disney helping fund the show, may be less of an issue. 😀

[@mdewsall17]

I always thought the agreement went back to William Hartnell, but was that every Doctor had to have at least one encounter with the Daleks, so there is still time for Ncuti.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Not at all. That’s not remotely how it’s ever been.

[@TheMoonRover]

No, they used to just ask Terry Nation whenever they wanted to use the Daleks, and he would agree, and usually write the story himself, but he died in 1997. There's definitely some sort of agreement in place for them to be able to use the Daleks from 2005, but the idea that they're contractually obliged to use the Daleks has always been just a crazy fan theory.

[@oliverstrucker5829]

I really would love to see The Daleks to make a come back but I still think we need some more stories based around The Time War their is so much potential around that

[@ClayCampbell]

My theory is that this contract was a real thing but was renegotiated for “Disney Who”.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Either that or Disney Who is technically considered half a series so far since it’s half the episode count of when the deal would have been made circa 2005.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

There is no "Disney Who".

[@ClayCampbell]

@@DrFranklynAnderson I’m thinking it’s technically considered a new show from the 2005 show hence it starting again at s1

[@brewster_4]

My theory is that the contract was a real thing back in like 2005-2010, but got renegotiated at some point soon after.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

@@ClayCampbell Wouldn’t surprise me. The legal side of show business is full of that kind of thing when you look into it.

[@bdbensley]

Just make a Dalek a permanent traveling companion, or a part of the Tardis.

[@dschreibke]

The Dalek Princess? the latest Disney Princess.

[@JJThompson3269]

Ughhh are we forgetting the plunger that the doctor asked if it was armed in joy to the world

[@JJThompson3269]

I could imagine the deal had broke after it wasn’t solely produced throughout bbc

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

Ellie mentioned it in the video with a quick silent clip of the joke.

[@JJThompson3269]

@@igorschmidlapp6987 I’d made the comment before this pal!

[@NebstheFemboy]

@JJThompson3269 Then maybe don't comment it unless you see that there's no mention of it?

[@JJThompson3269]

@@NebstheFemboy are we seriously boycotting thoughts of people just cause I thought the same thing before I heard it being said, chill out I’ve just said I wrote it before seeing what Ellie had said

[@sirspamalot89]

I want to see an episode or short about a Dalek and a Cyberman getting into shenanigans. Like a dark twist on C3P0 and R2-D2 with all the sass

[@dannygoyisthebest]

The thing that makes me believe this theory most is how the dalek appeared in The Waters of Mars, by far their most shoehorned appearance.

[@tzarg]

Is it really tho? also (7:07) it couldn't have just been any alien, because Daleks are the time-travelling ones, so only they could know

[@dannygoyisthebest]

@ well, that and if you read the Writer’s Tale by Russell T Davies where he kept a diary whilst making the specials he basically confirmed the theory, saying that as waters of mars was in 2009 and end of time part 2 was technically 2010 he’d need to add daleks to that story too. So the original draft had daleks in it until Steven Moffat told him he was planning on using daleks in series 5 so Russell T Davies wrote the daleks out of the story.

[@0llieWells]

@tzargThe issue there, though, is this is specifically a Dalek from ‘The Stolen Earth’/ ‘Journey’s End’, a Dalek who believed all universes were about to be blown up by the Reality Bomb. It seeing Adelaide and thinking “nah, this one’s important for the future” is somewhat self-defeating since it thinks everything is about to end. I always read it more as the Dalek getting a recall command and heading back to the ship and Adelaide reading more into the “gesture” than was there, but it did always feel shoehorned in for the “deal” (whether it’s real or not) regardless

[@PeterVesuwalla]

I don't care if they bring back the daleks, but I really want the word 'iconic' to go away.

[@Tracenji]

i think the Daleks can wait at least until this pantheon story arc is finished, maybe even wait until the 16th doctor we can do without them for a while more, then they will be a bigger deal when they show up again

[@firstlast5499]

During the Hartnell and Troughton eras you had 40-45 episodes at 25 minutes per episode. In per season of William Hartnell had 4 Dalek stories across 3 seasons when there were 40-45 25-minute episodes per season. Hartnell had 4 serials (7, 6, 6, and 12 episodes… 13 if you count the Doctorless episode) and Troughton had 2 serials (6 and 7 episodes). Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, and Peter Davison had seasons of about 26 episodes at 25 minutes per. Pertwee had 3 full serials (4, 6, and 4 episodes) plus the final episode of one serial, Baker had 2 serials (6 and 4 episodes), and Davison had one serial (experimentally done as 2 45-minute episodes due to the Olympics). Colin Baker had 2 45-minute episodes (1 serial) in 2 seasons, and Sylvester McCoy had 4 episodes at 25 minutes each in a single serial in 3 seasons. Each Doctor needs to face the Daleks once, IMHO. Go for a second or third serial depending on tenure. You don’t need to go more frequently than every other season.

[@Earthsinger100]

I live in New Orleans and we are having the first ever Blizzard in recorded history.

[@josephcooter5763]

How much snow did you get? I bet you it isn't even close to the 100 inches we had here in Upstate New York back in 1966.

[@woogha]

I'm in Biloxi MS and it is the thickest snow in my lifetime. 3rd time in all 40 years of it.

[@josephcooter5763]

@@woogha how much did you get.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

It's a pre-invasion ploy by the Daleks! "The Delta and the Daleks"... ;-P

[@Earthsinger100]

@@josephcooter5763 The most snow recorded here was 2 1/4 inches in 1865. It looks like 4 but it's still snowing.

[@LongPeter]

They need to have an episode in which a Dalek is excited about being given a helium balloon. 🎈

[@tracyroweauthor]

I could live with never seeing the Daleks ever again.

[@ianmbaker]

The Doctor, The Master, The Daleks, and The Cybermen. We need them all. 😄

[@frankharr9466]

I would tend to doubt the Terry Nation estate hypothosis (and this is the first time I've heard it). I don't think it's needed. The amount of nostalgia-based decisions in modern versions of legacy media doesn't require it. The daleks were bait for those of use who loved Dr. Who in the 70's 80's and 90's and they were over-used. I can see why they were given an extended vacation and hope they feel much refreshed.

[@mallockarcher]

B and M in Carlisle certainly had plenty of the set with River Song in.

[@robcattosmith]

Personally some of my favourite Doctor Who episodes are the ones where the Doctor shows up very little. Almost feels like a Black Mirror episode but Doctor Who-ish

[@philmatin]

I'm pretty sure Jodie's first series didn't feature a dalek or any recurring villains either. Unless you count the Christmas Special.

[@margarethall1625]

It was a New Year's special as we're all of them in Jodie's era.

[@philmatin]

​@@margarethall1625True. I forgot it was moved to the new year slot but I've forgotten quite alot about that era. Jodie was great but there's only so many times they can repeat the same stories. Perhaps bring back the dakeks for an episode but I do think some things should be rested for now. It's nice to explore other places and ideas. Especially if the show wants to grow and evolve 😉

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Jodie didn’t have any Christmas Specials.

[@Rmlohner]

I'd argue the Manhattan two parter was where they first started going downhill. Yeah, it was a two parter, but after two seasons of the Daleks being the big threat the show pulls out for a season's big finish, suddenly they were just plopped randomly into the middle of the season like any other monster for the Doctor to defeat and go on his way.

[@ashleyowen7664]

SPOILER'S AHEAD!!! .. i'm not one for saying bad things about a show, but since the "Disney-facation" of Doctor Who, yes, the episode quality has gone up, we've had some good episodes, some not so good episodes, but one thing that i don't like is that they seem to of "try-harded" the show .. basically, it seems like they went from the titanic film "A Night To Remember" to the film "Titanic" over-night, then you have all the Disney clothed characters in the Time Hotel (back ground in the main reception), the over-the-top storylines of Sutekh being latched onto the Tardis for God knows how long, it just seems like they tried plucking idea's from the sky and said "yep, that sounds good, let's do it", i mean, what happened to storylines like Bad-Wolf or River Song or even the Face of Boe, the good writing seems to of faded away since Disney bought DW and they seem to be making the show more for profit rather than enjoyment now, i miss the days of mystery, like trying to work out who the astronaut was at the lake or who the Silence were, you know, something that got your brain thinking, i mean, sure we have Mrs. Flood, ( i recon she's either Jenny, the clerk at the hotel the Doctor got trapped in, the real Susan, she's a Time Lady who escaped Gallifry after it re-appeared and before it got destroyed by Chibnall OR she's another incarnation of the Master), but it doesn't feel the same, it doesn't feel .. like they tried and thought it through if you see where i'm coming from (EDIT): as for the Daleks, well, they were cemented, whether it's a "once-a-season" view or a two-parter, they ARE cemented as one of the "Core Villians" of DW, in my view, there are three: the Master, Daleks and Cybermen, i would love to see them back, as they are the ones the Doctor hates most, yes, it is annoying that they always use the "emergency temporal shift" as an escape, but let's be honest, if they didn't, the Doctor would destroy the Daleks and we would probs see them very rarely, if not at all, they are a fundamental part of the show and need to appear once, maybe twice a season (EDIT EDIT): 13:39 - Great idea, love the premise of that as a two-parter, i recon you could have the episode start when the text saying "A long time ago on a battle field", then show Capaldi saving Davros as a child, with a bit more dialog, then it skips forward with the words "(random number) years later" and it shows Tom Baker and Davros working on the Dalek creation together, the Doctor having a conflict of what their doing, but doing it anyway, then have the show going inside of a dalek as it's "switched on" so to speak, and in a big room with plans on walls, a control chair, desks and other things, we see a Kaled, stood in the room full of rage and anger and wanting destruction, we see it invade planets, survive war after war, then it goes to the Time-war and sees the carnage and mayhem of what they have done, after the Doctor writes "no more" in "gun-language" on the wall, the Kaled sees this and realises there is more to the universe than destruction, then it goes on a journey of self discovery, noticing the fear and trauma the Daleks have interred on the universe and has a change of heart, it decides "no more", we see it kill a few command daleks, then it meets with the Doctor and realises that the man they hate most in the universe was talking sense the whole time of knowing the daleks, of course this would only be part one, not sure on part two yet

[@RoseTheVideomancer]

From a production standpoint the specials were a part of Season 1 so I assume if it WAS a thing, it'd be counted.

[@thedeergod435]

If anyone's wondering, the other monster that she mentioned at the start was the Toctaphane, the spherical balls of metal from that two part Master special

[@cyberdarkoverdrive9038]

I want to see how this doctor is to the daleks and how he deals with them

[@JudgeJosephDredd1989]

Despite Chibnall having his faults he did better with the Daleks than Moffat did atleast Chibnall made them what they should be trigger happy killing machines while Moffat did nothing with them other than making them a joke. I just want an episode with Daleks being an actual threat and actually killing people like they did in "Resurrection of the Daleks", "Resolution" and "Revolution of the Daleks" that's how a Dalek should be.

[@OddEyesDragonSlayer]

I think it would be cool if we had an episode that was like a modernized retelling of the classic serial in which the Daleks had their own Tardis.

[@wickideazy]

The Daleks have passed the point of diminishing returns. Way way back with NIne, they really did feel like the massive, terrifying enemy that's supposed to make your blood run cold with fear. But then they started showing up regularly, and getting beaten regularly, to the point that they don't really seem like much of a threat anymore. I mean, they were about to erase all of reality and they got beaten. Where do you go from there? Back to "we're going to use duplicates of Bri'ish officials to take over the UK?" And they get beaten with a wink and a grin like they're nothing to even worry about. I've always criticized franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars because it seems that no matter what is happening, the writers can't help but make every single possible bad thing happen to the protags - seriously, folks can't even cross the street without getting shot at, kidnapped, and blown up (and let's not even talk about poor Chief O'Brien) - but writers do that to add tension and make it harder for the heroes to come out on top, so that it feels like they actually overcame something. With the Daleks, not so much. They just get beaten SO EASILY. The Daleks need to stay away for a long while. At least two doctors' worth of time away. Give them time for their repeated (and all too easy) defeats to fade from recent memory, so that when they DO return, they feel big and terrifying again.

[@Vixis6]

The children in need special could could count as like a pre season contractual dalek loophole

[@mrbubbles6468]

Streaming Services tend to pick up for 1-2 Seasons. And we know Season 1 was done at the same time as 2. So I fully expect the Daleks to show up and still be covered under once a series rule.

[@whochecksthis]

What about a theory the tarsi’s IS a Dalek? I mean… she USUALLY has the round bits… and the dr himself has stated many times, he has no idea what they are… the ship has its chameleon circuit broken, it is stuck as a police box… the timeless child just appeared to create the time lord race… the dr has had an episode where he was inside a dalek fighting the antibodies of the dalek… that he somehow knows all about…

[@TheMoodbeam]

What if their lack of appearance in Season One is because... they're no longer contracted?!

[@Phantom-hy2ix]

We need at least one story with Gatwa. He'd rock it.

[@andyt2510]

13:10 - that really sounds like the Mitchell and Webb Look sketch where David Mitchells SS soldier starts to question their role and wonders if they are the bad guys.

[@JackRabbit20]

5:40 as so a river song episode tearlist

[@charlesfinch5327]

I think The Terry Nation State kinda of still stands and I know RTD said he wasn’t gonna bring back The Daleks in this new era of the show, even Ncuti Gatwa himself said that he’d be annoyed if he doesn’t face The Daleks or Weeping Angels, so if RTD can’t bring back the Daleks in Series 15/ Season 2 then bring them back in Series 16/ Season 3, I know the show is focusing on The Pantheon of Discord and I really appreciate we’re focusing on something new but The Daleks are my favourite Villains and I would bring them back in Season 3

[@terryfleenor8678]

Just remember what Peter Davidson said "You don't fill like The Doctor until you fight The Daleks".

[@thomassimpson3176]

I started watching Dr Who from almost the first episode and saw the very first appearance of the Daleks. At the end of that story they were killed off seemingly forever. The then Dr landed on Earth and right at the end of the first episode a big surprise a Dalek comming out of the river Thames at the end of the episode! This was a shock at the time but now they are one of the important villains of the show. The other surprise was Susan being left behind on Earth with her boyfriend, the first of the main characters to leave the series.

[@Stotz42]

Hmmmm interesting question Ellie. A Dalek ep with ideas with a Bad Batch spin. A group of Daleks that this happened to? Or just one. Rusty kind of already did that. A rogue faction of Daleks waging war on their own kind would prove to be a cool story line.

[@TheBlackcredo]

Russell T Davis has said that we will see pre accident Davros more and so the development of the daleks. I am so exited for this.

[@andrewadams1514]

As a LONG time DrWho fan, I’ve enjoyed the couple years off from the Daleks. I love them and the show NEEDS to keep them. The Doctor fighting the Daleks will always be icon DrWho. That being said, I don’t think we need to (and I’d rather not) see them in Season 2. While the point of getting a returning villain that millennials and Gen Zs will recognised is a good point, I think a better way of getting that group of people who haven’t stuck around would be to pull an iconic Villain from the first RTD era. For better of the worse, I would say the 3 most icon original villain’s from the OG RTD era are 1. The Weeping Angels 2. The Slitheen 3. The Ood Of those three, I think the best Villain to bring back would be the Slitheen. After Series 1, we never saw them again (on the main show). But the fact they returned more then once of SJA, have been referenced several times in the main show since Series 1 and ALWAYS appeared in the old DrWho mag one way or another every issue, goes to show they stuck with people. I would assume it was because the design of The Slitheen is a very basic ‘pop-culture-alien’ with big black eyes and green skin. Obviously Aliens of London and WW3 aren’t the best episodes, and Boom Town is often forgotten as it’s a dialogue ran episode. But with AoL & WW3 being as politically charged as they were, now seems like the perfect time for some RTD style on the nose, political cometary with ignorant, aliens trying to take over the world for there own self serving agenda. If not the Slitheen, then bringing back one of the most icon monsters in DrWho ever would be the right call. The Weeping Angels. Obviously, the more they showed up in the Moffat era, the less intimidating they became. But with Moffat now back as a writer and not a runner, it could be the best way to get a stripped down, horror focused Angels episode like Blink. To bring in the audience they’re wanting to regain, the marketing for it would have to follow suit. Make it obvious this is a scary, hide behind the sofa, controversial for Saturday dinner time episode. It’s what everyone wants from the Angels and would double down even more on the mistical/cosmic-horror the show seems to want to go in with themes of, for lack of a term, magic being brought into the show. So yah, went on a tangent, but I don’t think DrWho needs to bring the Daleks back to get the OG RTD viewers back (necessarily), but bringing back the biggest and best from that era

[@GreenBoxStudio1]

I would love to see an adaptation of the prisoner of the daleks novel story. Thay IMO was the scariest appearance of the monster

[@grahamcann1761]

I wouldn't mind them coming back, but I don't think another series without them would be bad. That said, there are those villains I'd like to see again, and some I'd never like to see again. For example: I'd love to see The Master(s) return, any, even all, of The Masters. I don't think I'd like to see The Weeping Angels. I think the Weeping Angels were great, but every return, I think, has reduced their standing. As always, thank you all so very much for the videos. And of course, I want to see more of River Song.

[@trainsandscifi]

How would it be, finally having a Dalek as companion? Now we had serveral Daleks changing (Lonely Dalek, Dalek Sac, Dalek Caan, Oswins Dalek, Rusty...), we had them so many times as villian. There must be one now succeeding, seeking for forgiveness and redemption the Doctor for forgivness and trying to creat other good Daleks to give redemtion to them. And we finally need again a real alien companion! I guess, we all agree having always the kinda same type of companion is getting little boring too.