Whom has Christ authorized to baptize? Can parents baptize a child at home?

Are parents authorized by Jesus Christ to baptize their children at home? Can a Bible study privately partake of the Lord’s Supper? From our special online event Made in the Image of God, Burk Parsons and Stephen Nichols consider who may legitimately administer the sacraments.
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[@ligonier]

Thank you to those who have asked follow-up questions. To study this subject further, you can read R.C. Sproul’s discussion of the topic www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/who-can-administer-the-sacraments/ You can also explore the following resources: Berkhof’s Systematic Theology: www.ligonier.org/store/systematic-theology-berkhof-hardcover/ Hodge’s The Westminster Confession: A Commentary: www.ligonier.org/store/westminster-confession-hodge-hardcover/ Beeke & Jones’s A Puritan Theology: www.ligonier.org/store/a-puritan-theology-doctrine-for-life/

[@sandstonecommunitychurch9926]

Thank you for sharing the articles to clarify your position. As per R.C.'s on admission "Though the biblical evidence is not overwhelming, it seems best to conclude that only ordained people have the authority to administer the sacraments.". I would say the biblical evidence was actually really stretched to fit the agenda here and the lack of comment on passages that seem to suggest a different scenario were completely ignored (1 Cor 1:14 Who was baptising if not Paul? - Acts 19:1-7 Who baptised those disciples in Ephesus? - Acts 9:10-19 Ananias is clearly called a disciple, language that Luke uses to point mostly to general lay followers of Jesus). I guess this will be one of those issues we will have to agree to disagree. I would only say one more thing. A controlling zeal that is born out of a reaction against abuses that were committed, sometimes, can be as ungodly as the abuse themselves. Thank you for your ministry Ligonier, you guys are great!

[@56pjr]

Any truly born again male adult can and should baptize. There are NO special "holy men"

[@RelentlessSportsman]

Matthew 28:18 - Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” The authority comes from Jesus, not an elder or pastor.

[@mattdunn5733]

Respect

[@slugabunyseaside7415]

Amen. I will go to the sea With her A stranger And we shall return sisters.. To God be the Glory..

[@GraceGrace-vy3yt]

Amen

[@noneyabiznass]

We are at the end of the age very soon. Why does he promise to be with the baptized "always, till the end of the age" The new age is almost here. What then? I know he comes to slaughter most on earth in the last days. I believe he promised to take but a few remnant in the end of those shortened last days. What is promised for those baptized in his name that are not part of the few?

[@ikesters6697]

Matthew 28:19 Jesus to HIS APOSTLES: 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father (Philippians 2:9-11) (Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the GLORY OF GOD the Father.) and of THE SON (Jesus Christ) and of THE HOLY SPIRIT," (Jesus Christ) Jesus orders this to HIS APOSTLES

[@moodberry]

I didn't hear one scripture to back up their assertion that baptism should be done by the ordained members. But on the day of Pentecost, there were so many who came to faith that the apostles had to use whoever was available to do the baptizing. It isn't the person who does the baptism that saves, it is the faith of the person being baptized that saves.

[@nikkichadsey4712]

Amen

[@andrewcrichton2238]

1 Corinthians 1 Paul adresses this issue. Interesting he does not explain only certain people could baptize others. Furthermore our great commission is to preach the gospel and bapize.

[@ikesters6697]

Matthew 28:19 Jesus to HIS APOSTLES: 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father (Philippians 2:9-11) (Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the GLORY OF GOD the Father.) and of THE SON (Jesus Christ) and of THE HOLY SPIRIT," (Jesus Christ) Jesus orders this to HIS APOSTLES

[@tari2073]

@@ikesters6697 So who are the apostles now?

[@poot6365]

it is through Him who the Spirit rests upon that the blood applied through baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit so that he may rest on us for the eternity that is life in Gods presence because his presence is life!

[@consulmollard]

Jesus says where two or three are gathered in my name I am there also. A church is a church! If three Christians decide to hold worship once a week in a backyard. That is church. A church isn’t four walls and a roof! A church is believers in Christ. If they baptize someone in that backyard. They are legitimately baptize! You don’t need to go to seminary schools and pay for a piece of paper that says your now able to preach and baptize. I know plenty of people who understand and know the Bible better than those who paid for a piece of paper saying they are able to Preach! Seems Ligonier is trying to fill their classrooms in the new school they built.

[@terriblehaute5100]

I'm pretty sure Calvin persecuted those who didn't baptize correctly.

[@kenim]

@@terriblehaute5100 I would agree that correct baptism is essential to really start being a christian and would be the number 1 issue. But then again, it is not related to the baptiser having a title to do so. Any born again christian that follows the instructions of scripture CAN baptise, because its a matter of God and not men.

[@ikesters6697]

Matthew 16:18 18 And I also say to you that YOU ARE PETER, (Apostle) and ON THIS ROCK (Jesus Christ) I will build MY church, and the gates of Hades SHALL NOT prevail against it. Matthew 28:19 Jesus to HIS APOSTLES: 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father (Philippians 2:9-11) (Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the GLORY OF GOD the Father.) and of THE SON (Jesus Christ) and of THE HOLY SPIRIT," (Jesus Christ) Jesus orders this to HIS APOSTLES

[@Scb30476]

@@ikesters6697thank you

[@davidortega357]

Matthew 28 19 was changed by the Roman catholic church in second century it was originally written go ye and teach all nations baptizing them in my name. The phrase in. My NAME is all over the book of Matthew as well as the 3 other gospels. In his name or. In my. Name. Peter said repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of jesus christ

[@christopherspargo8795]

I've heard comments against individuals doing the Lord's supper outside of church before, but I've never heard a genuine argument. Why shouldn't college students take the Lord's supper in their dorm? Did Jesus not simply say, "Do this in remembrance of me" ?

[@djt8937]

Agreed. The heart of the faithful believer is precious to God. We have church structure, Pastors & teachers are accountable for guiding the flock, but some men think they are a literal mediator between Christ and the believer - religion. Not so. We each have an intimate relationship with the Lord as a reborn, regenerated Christian. The same spirit that rose Christ from the dead abides in us.

[@redoctober2026]

The answer "only elders can do the baptism" seems not consitent with the Bible.

[@kenim]

I would say thats an ecclesiological view rather than a Biblical view. But I think it would depend on the definition of "Elder" probably? AFAIK any true born again Christian that understands the principle of the Baptism (repent, baptise unto death as in Romans) CAN baptise, because as in other things like evangelization, it is a work of God rather than an office of men.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@kenim]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE I agree with you because you say “Should” rather than “can/cannot”. This is probably what differs us to catholics regading this issue, the should vs could.

[@thomasc9036]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE As a Presbyterian who subscribe to WCF, I am not sure about absolute ministers of the Word to minister sacraments. After the Covid lockdown, most of the churches in California stopped the Baptism and Lord's Supper. My church won't even reply when I ask about it. I think the understanding should be faithful ministers who will actually observe sacraments because when WCF was written, it was unthinkable for ministers not observe sacraments. When your ministers won't, I believe that the head of the household can.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

@@thomasc9036 I understand the dilemma all too well. The same problem apply in general when considering churches that won't take communion weekly as the Bible commands and exemplifies (1 Co 11:20, Acts 2:42, 20:7). In such cases (i.e. ministers won't obey Christ by practicing the sacraments) I believe we have only three options: (1) pray and speak to our leaders to repent by lovely showing what the Bible commands, or/and (2) if to no avail, find another church, (3) plant a church with Spirit-qualified pastors and ordained by elders. Otherwise, the same logic (if they won't I'll do it) would justify woman preaching and other such things that follow the end justifies the means. Not an easy situation, I understand. Thanks - Jonas

[@beebee5807]

I would appreciate a biblical explanation of your answer, please.

[@peterheinz9569]

There isn’t one

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@beebee5807]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE Thank you very much for your answer. It is true that in every case in the Bible when baptism is taking place a man is in charge. May I ask please if you could help me to understand what is the role of a deacon in the church, especially considering that Romans 16:1 talks about Phoebe, a sister, she is described as a deacon of the Church of Cenchrea. Are we lead to believe that deacon can not baptize members of the congregation?

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

@@beebee5807 Hello, excellent questions. Brief answers. In the local church, there are two offices: Elders and Deacons (Philippians 1:1). Elders=Pastors=Biship=Leaders (Acts 20). Deacons=Servant who help Elders in the caring ministries of the church. Elders must be able to teach, deacons do not (1 Tim 3). Both Elders and Deacons must be men (husband of one wife for both, 1 Tim 3). Also, Deacons in Acts 6 are only men despite the work of serving food to widows. Correct, deacons cannot baptize because deacons are not the leaders of the church, Elders are (Heb 13:7,17). They alone give an account for the flock, hence they alone can accept someone into the flock through baptism. As for Rom 16:1, the correct translation is: "I recommend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchre". The greek word for servant is also used for paul and he was not a deacon. Rom 16:1 is unconlusive for the case regarding woman deacons. Clear passages about deacons show that only men are eligible (Acts 6; 1 Tim 3). Thanks- Jonas

[@beebee5807]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE Hi, thank you again for an excellent clarification of the texts we are considering. It seems clearer to me that the responsibility of the congregation is in the hands of capable men. As such they become accountable in front of the Lord. James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness". However, we do have examples of women in the congregation who seem to have some responsibility (Moses' sister; Anna the prophetess). How should we understand the prophecy of Joel 2:28,29 with relation to women prophesying and receiving the Holy Spirit? Is not prophesying a form of teaching?

[@christineperedetto451]

So let me ask you a question, I've been born from above and redeemed by Christ's blood for seven years. Are you telling me that because I'm not an elder in a church, that being a born-again Christian I can't baptize my 10-year-old child? A child who believes in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. What is your definition of an elder? who is to decide whether or not the elders are even born again? No scripture, no convincing this christian. All of you sound more like Pharisees and Sadducees to me

[@carmensiekierke3579]

From your comment it seems you are unfamiliar with the fact that an elder is a divinely appointed office for men in the Christian church. This article explains this.....along with all the Scripture verses. carm.org/apologetics/women-in-ministry/the-elder-in-the-church/

[@djt8937]

You said it well. Yes, as a believer following Biblical instruction you are "qualified." Blessings to you and your 10 year old! Great job as a parent too! (They did sound like pharisees to me too)

[@kenim]

This disputes against ecclesiology often come to this issue. Who or what establishes an "Elder", is it a process or a state of being? Biblically I would say all born again christians that God has taught the scriptures and follows it IS AN ELDER. But the church is currently too afraid of false christians to openly allow/admit it and sticks to institutional requirements. I can sympathise but its wrong nonetheless; you cant LIE to do good.

[@moodberry]

I personally baptized three of my four daughters. The one who was baptized by an "elder" is lukewarm in her faith. The man who did the service left the church. He was the one who counseled my daughter to be baptized. I think he had no clue what baptism was for, and as a consequence my daughter is weak in the faith. Shame on me for letting it happen!

[@nikkichadsey4712]

@@moodberry can't you baptize her again yourself the right way

[@whopua]

What bible verse says only an elder can baptize? In fact what verse indicates any Christian can't baptize a new believer?

[@56pjr]

Any truly born again male adult can and should baptize. There are NO special "holy men"

[@breannawilliamson9787]

@@56pjr why does it have to be a male?

[@56pjr]

Baptizers are only male in the bible. They have spiritual authority over women. Read 1 Tim 2.

[@stueydoubleyou]

not once was a bible verse mentioned, just comments on fringe people they find to have a shallow understanding of doctrine baptising people. oh wow.

[@cspearman362]

My sentiment exactly

[@reginaldchesterfield8110]

Amen!

[@mrniceguy3006]

Right, just intellectuals talking

[@whatwouldjesus3444]

Yep...

[@runf201]

For real! Give me bible verses to back it up now

[@LivingLambsVeganKitchen]

I'm a great fan of Ligonier, but I don't see anywhere with this view can be substantiated by the Bible. If he gave the command to the disciples, then everyone can do these things, if he gave it to the apostles, then nobody can, unless there is Apostolic succession.

[@kenim]

Trust issues with false converts has led to this protectionist but unbliblical institutional demands.

[@reformedwretch2071]

Absolutely spot on

[@thomasc9036]

Where is this Apostolic succession come from? It's not in the New Testament. Apostles left us the New Testament and churches. If Apostolic succession is true, why does it have to be through human beings and not through the written word of God?

[@LivingLambsVeganKitchen]

@@thomasc9036 I don't believe there is apostolic succession. That is what I was trying to say, but I see I was not clear (my apologies). Love in Christ to you, my brother!

[@prayerforceone]

Ananias baptized Saul of Tarsus. His only “credential” was that he was a “disciple.” (Acts 9:10-18)

[@kcmuanpuia]

@Desire Of All Nations You want to base your rules on a "probably". The gospel does not elevate anyone to a special "class" of "haves" as against the common. This is just a hangover of the catholic priesthood. The NT is for universal priesthood. Those who clearly understand the basics of Christ's gospel will well understand without asking "Does the Bible permit...?"

[@GregRickard]

I don't see any verse backing the elder-only theory. We are saved through Jesus, not the elders. Use his name when baptizing, just like if casting out a devil. Can only elders call on the name of Jesus if demonically attacked? Bit of clergy/laity going on here.

[@lonecrusaider]

Any born again believer can baptise.

[@kenim]

Amen.

[@56pjr]

Amen. That is what the bible says.

[@omispirit7899]

Thanks can you provide scripture for this?

[@56pjr]

Please be specific and i would be most happy to oblige.

[@leighriah5295]

Wait a minute....Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" If we who have the Holy Spirit are only eligible to spread the Gospel, but not baptize in Jesus name then how can this statement be true? Are we called to do one and not the other?

[@ikesters6697]

Jesus said this to his Apostles. Not to the person reading what Jesus said to his Apostles.

[@davidortega357]

Peter obed jesus when he baptized all in jesus name. If you've been baptized in titles father son it must be done in the name of jesus christ Acts 4. 12

[@gsp8489]

@@ikesters6697 Oh, the great commission doesn't apply to me? Good to know.

[@emmanuelroosevelt6840]

The communion is meant to be a feast, where one eats, shares what they bring, pray and sing hymns. Baptist on the other hand is an initiation into the Christian fold which can be administered by a clergy, or a dedicated person in the Christian fold, by pronouncing the directives given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ, which says, baptise in the name of the Father, Son and of Holy Spirit. These guys didn't give a biblical reference to support their claims. Very poor!

[@thomasc9036]

I attend a PCA church and we haven't had the Lord's Supper for a year and our elders have no concerns about this. When things are quiet and peaceful, all elders are brave and biblical, when things are chaotic... I don't hear any of these guys clarifying during this Covid lockdown. Why don't you be "brave" and address this issue?

[@djt8937]

Too bad no one answered the question. A group of men sat around using doctrinal buzzwords criticizing others but not teaching. Very poor job.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@thomasnorton2679]

Sorry Ligonier, you've helped me so much, but not with yous on this one.

[@reginaldchesterfield8110]

Amen my brother

[@cspearman362]

Can we get a Bible verse or something. Otherwise everything that was stated is moot

[@ethanhocking8229]

I was baptised by my parents in the sea when I was 14 at a time when we weren't part of a church. I have often struggled with questions about the nature of my baptism, but my Anglican vicar who knows my parents well has affirmed the legitimacy of my baptism, so I have decided to let my conscience be at rest about it.

[@kenim]

@@ethanhocking8229 Rather be baptised knowing the truth of baptism by any tool of God (persons) than being "officially" baptised but ignorant of the truth like often happens nowadays. Being born again by baptism is all that really matters.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@ethanhocking8229]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE What office did Ananias hold when he baptised Paul?

[@ethanhocking8229]

@@kenim I'm not sure that I was genuinely a Christian at the time. But I'm finding myself agreeing with infant baptism now, anyway, so that doesn't seem like a serious issue. I'm beginning to understand that baptism is not a "public declaration of one's faith" as many credo-baptists define it, but rather the initiation rite for entering the body of Christ. Like I said, my baptism was somewhat unorthodox. But my vicar who knows my parents well has affirmed it. Therefore, if the body of Christ affirms it, as far as I'm concerned, then it's legitimate. If my vicar said I should be baptised again, I would be open to receiving it. But he hasn't said that. So that's that.

[@timfowler4642]

First dude is flat wrong. The authority isn’t in the baptizer but in the name of Christ and the believer who is submitting to Christ in the act of immersion. No magic words other than a declaration of faith in Christ as the son of God. Many scriptures from gospels to Paul about no special calling to baptize. The notion of the necessity of having some ordained priest perform is not scriptural. God has called everyone to repent in submitting to Christ in baptism-into the priesthood of ALL believers. Gal 3:26ff. Blessings!

[@kenim]

Amen! Conversion and baptism are strictly Gods work, so it can be done by anyone God prepares to use.

[@AtreyuKhalil]

So only elders can baptize? Can someone post scripture for this please?

[@djt8937]

They are claiming this because Jesus gave the great commission to Apostles. At that point, no one was an elder/Deacon, etc. They were Christ followers. These guys are subscribing to religious academics. They speak very phariseutically.

[@redoctober2026]

@@djt8937 I totally agree with you. Somehow, these in the video were trying to elevate their position as something special. Wrong.

[@everytingYay]

@@redoctober2026 Their position is so special, and attracts greater condemnation or judgement. And they are the leaders of the church. Baptism involves confession and counts a great deal in the church of Christ, especially concerning whether or not you are considered part of the body of Christ. If your parent baptises you (assuming he is not an elder), is he going to take charge of other spiritual matters that elders take in the church for you? And how do you square it off when every member in the church baptises their children and other members. How can the overseer shepherd the Church of Christ?!! I think this is pretty straightforward to me.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@reformedwretch2071]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE You straight up contradicted yourself on your number 2 rule. The pastor who baptized me has an infinitely smaller role than an Apostle had in redemptive history. So by that standard, he shouldn't baptize anyone. There is no chapter or verse to hold your belief or Dr. Parsons' Any true Christian can baptize a repentant unbeliever.

[@claytonmcminn1121]

The priesthood of all believers and the freedom of christ extends to me the right to baptize my children but to administer the sacraments as well. Dont fence the table.

[@kenim]

This sounded eerily pharisaic. I cant believe that reformers have become so afraid that they have gone back to Catholic ways.

[@kcmuanpuia]

True. You don't even have to look for a verses if someone without a "title" was allowed to baptise... If you understand the gospel well. You know it.

[@keithcambra9760]

You can not cut the great commission in half and tell us that we are to go into all of the world and make disciples and then tell us that we can not baptize.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

I didnt get a straightforward answer on either question.

[@asenawood8317]

Because there ain't no straight answer in Christianity. All you get is debate on doctrines after doctrines. Its a pity n shame.

[@garethifan1034]

Thank you Ligonier - this was tremendously helpful.

[@dccd673]

I would love to see short clips of book reviews! Is the ministry ever going to do something like that? I have just boxed 28 books (some were given to me) and there are a few I didn’t get a chance to read yet. But after finding out more about the authors, I just can’t have these in my house. This will be my second trip to the recycling centre as I don’t want to give them away and help astray someone. This batch will total just about a lil over 100 books that won’t be sitting in my bookshelf. However, I don’t know what to do with a couple of bibles that are commentaries from a couple of the authors of the books I’m getting rid off.

[@carmensiekierke3579]

It's great to see your continuing comments, DC CD. Good to see you are not giving away questionable books. Hmmmm.....which authors?

[@vmax8481]

Especially the revisited 1967 version...

[@dccd673]

@@carmensiekierke3579 I try to stay on top of watching Ligoniers videos lol. The very first bible I got myself back then was Joyce Meyers then Charles Stanley and Billy Graham. The only books left to decide were written by Billy Graham, and Charles Stanley. I didn’t know who Charles Finney was until a few days ago. Billy mentioned him in two of the three books I had. I didn’t bother checking the last book. I just opened up one book and my eyes fell on Charles Finney’s name 😂

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@dccd673 You only found out about Charles Finney a few days ago? Wow, when people wonder if God uses the internet and Ligonier.....He does :-) Charles Finney ( The Second Great Awakening) thought there was nothing supernatural about people being born again ( regenerated), and so he thought they could be regenerated if the right " methods" were used. The music played at revivals, the length of a message, the words and tone used. People could be manipulated to " make a decision." Revivals were held by traveling evangelists......they had no church, no congregation. They were not shepherds. With the Billy Graham crusades, members of the staff started walking the aisles when the invitation was given. This is manipulation. Raising a hand, walking an aisle, saying the " sinner's prayer" is called " decisionism." In 1999, in an interview, Billy Graham said he thought only 1/3 of the people who had come forward in his crusades were true converts.

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@dccd673 Charles Stanley has said that a believer can sin and live like the devil but they won't lose their salvation, they will lose their rewards. It is true that a true believer can't lose their salvation......but Charles Stanley thinks a person can be a Christian and show no evidence. This is usually called " easy believisim" or " free grace" Charles Stanley also believes that God tells him when he is in a grocery store what turkey to buy for Thanksgiving.

[@rkip123456]

I agree with the "low view" argument they're using. I would have loved to hear one or two Bible passages to support these positions.

[@robertfields7688]

Since I’m sure this was only a segment regarding this topic, there is perhaps more that’s been said to Biblically back up what we did hear. If not, shame on them. They should know better.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@LivingLambsVeganKitchen]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE I thought your response was great and well thought out, but are not all Christ's followers disciples without having, necessarily, a special place in the church? Or is there a level below (for lack of a better word) disciple that would capture what Catholics would call laity? ❤

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

@@LivingLambsVeganKitchen Yes, all believers in Christ are disciples. In my earlier comment, I referenced the Gospel passage where the apostles were baptizing but not Christ himself. Bottom line is that although we are all equal before God in Christ (Gal 3:28), God has chosen some men to hold offices in his Church (Eph 4:11, 1 Co 12:28-30) and these offices have unique duties and accountabilities that all disciples do not have. For instance, James 3:1 states: "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness". As far as bapstism, it is

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

it is only the Scripture that should guide our practice and therein on men with offices baptize. Let us follow God's Word only and " not to go beyond what is written" (1 Co 4:6)

[@LivingLambsVeganKitchen]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE I agree with all you say in principle, but John 4:2 says it is his disciples who baptize -- it does not specify apostles here. I agree that there are certain things that are limited to elders, but nowhere in the gospels or epistles, by command or by example, are these two tasks so delegated (at least not that I can identify). If any local church wants to limit the practice, I have no need with that, but any Trinitarian baptism should be accepted and I think the Lord's Supper can be a remembrance among any two or three gathered together. Or even an individual, maybe. Could be wrong, but I don't see any Biblical evidence to the contrary. ❤

[@nickspitzley8539]

Is there more to this video?

[@jhoenshell]

I have to agree with the comment (Thomas Norton) that you, Ligonier, have helped me a great deal in the past, but not this time. In trying to speak the truth in love, I’m forced to say there’s no doubt that the Church in America has adopted a low view of ecclesiology, but to contend that the mode of baptism - without qualifiers - is an understood reasoning is a rather empty argument. And to say that the Church is the “means of grace” (clearly an English idiom, arguably unscriptural... AND again without clarification, making it an esoteric point) leaves me in question... if not a fog.

[@jcorle00]

The question in the video title was not answered. 👎🏻

[@zachboggs]

Nowhere in Matthew 28 does it say elders are the ones to baptize. But the great commission is for everyone who is a disciple of Christ is to go out and make disciples and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Highly disagree. Textual evidence for these claims would be great not quotes from any other book! God bless.

[@alandagg9511]

as a missionary I have baptized a number of people in Asia, is this wrong?

[@urawesome4670]

I didn’t find a real answer in this video. When one is baptized unto the name of someone, whether Moses, Paul, Jesus etc. it means you submit to the teachings of that person, thus becoming a disciple of the person you were baptized unto. You submit to their commandments etc. This involves teaching immediately after baptism of the person whom one was baptized unto. Like Peter said: “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:” ‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬ A good conscious towards God, by choosing to be a disciple or follower of Jesus. With all due respect, I think Ligonier needs to push the reset button on this subject and start over, reexamining carefully the Word of God on this subject.

[@vmax8481]

Very Important : Please Read Hosea 11:1 (then) Matt 2:15 then Exodus 4:22 Exodus 4:23 This refers to God's calling His son Israel out of Egypt during the Exodus...

[@hey_miss_alicia3889]

John the Baptist wasn't an elder of a brick and mortar Church, correct? 🤔

[@shivadizayin]

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. I wasn’t baptised by a member of clergy or thus, but by three brothers who were themselves lay men who had also been baptised… The changes and renewal of my mind because of His Holy Spirit, from the moment of my baptism… has been profound and heavenly. We become a nation of priests who can baptise. through the grace and Spirit of the Almighty LORD of all, Elohim, Christ Jesus, Adonai!

[@judyl.761]

This sounds very legalistic which is not in the Spirit of Jesus. I am not aware of any place in the Bible that says only elders of the church can baptize. It’s a fact that many pastors have never read the Bible all the way through.

[@ryanfox4739]

The Great Commission of Matthew 28:18-20 clearly states to make disciples and baptize. This command is given to all believers. So long as we understand that baptism doesn't save you, but is a demonstration of your new faith, and you understand its symbolism, then any true Christian can baptize or be baptized. I am disappointed by the legalism and unbiblical response by these leaders. I recommend not taking everything your pastor or leader says as Gospel. Test it against scripture to see if it has anything to stand on.

[@Nohandleneeded101]

Imagine a group of people holding back Yeshua’s love and power from his flock.

[@angelmd43]

Baptism is a baptism of the heart.

[@everytingYay]

For those that say that these men are elevating their position like Pharisees, you are wrong. And to be clear, their position is so special, and that's why they attract greater condemnation or judgement when they lead people astray. And they are the leaders of the church. Baptism involves confession and counts a great deal in the church of Christ, especially concerning whether or not you are considered part of the body of Christ. If your parent baptises you (assuming he is not an elder), is he going to take charge of other spiritual matters that elders take in the church for you? And how do you square it off when every member in the church baptises their children and other members. How can the overseer shepherd the Church of Christ?!! How do we determine who is in and the hypocrites!? I think this is pretty straightforward to me.

[@wetlandweasel]

Church is devalued because pastors do not shepherd the church as it should and do not preach verse by verse throught the bible instead make it all about self help and entertainment.

[@heathdunn9932]

Ecclesiology is the study of the church mainly the church building. The bibles church was a formation of all of Christ people. I am a bit confused seems that you are saying a building has to give someone authority?

[@gsp8489]

Who baptized Saul of tarsus? And which seminary did he go to?

[@dodibenabba1378]

Don't agree with this, any born again believer can baptise, if not show me the scripture...I noticed you don't on this clip.

[@consulmollard]

Show the Bible verse!!!!!!! How many false Christian preachers have baptized people, and those people not knowing they were false?! Does that mean that those people aren’t legitimately baptized? Basically what they are saying if “we” don’t baptize you, your not baptized. Also where does the Bible say that only those preachers at Ligonier are Elders? If a Christian preacher baptizes a person. Then that preacher steps down as a preacher. Does that mean the person he baptized is now unbaptized?

[@davidsutter1846]

Wow- and I thought the Roman Catholics were heavy on man-made traditions! Come on guys---you can do better!!!

[@reformedcatholic457]

You have traditions as well that are unbiblical, these guys are right.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@dodibenabba1378]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE I noticed you have written the same again, where is your scriptural source for such beliefs?

[@samnorman3052]

@@CONNAITREpourVIVRE And Ananias? He's only described as a disciple, yet he baptised Saul.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

@@samnorman3052 Ananias of Damascus: probably an Elder of the Damascus Church Ananias possibly baptized Saul who became Paul: “17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19 and he took food and was strengthened” (Acts 9:17-19, see 22:16). The following facts strongly suggest that Ananias held a particular office, likely that of an Elder in the Damascus Church: (1) Ananias met at least two qualifications of an elder since he was devout and well-spoken by outsiders (1 Timothy 3:7, Titus 1:8), as shown by Acts 22:12: “A certain Ananias, a man who was devout by the standard of the Law, and well-spoken of by all the Jews who lived there”; (2) Ananias had a vision of Jesus (Acts 9:10ff) which is only said of Christian leaders such as Peter, Paul, and John in the New Testament; (3) Ananias laid hands on Saul (Acts 9:17) which was typically done by the apostles or elders (Acts 6:6, 13:3, 1 Timothy 4:14), (4) Ananias was used to channel the Holy Spirit to Saul (Acts 9:17), a fact which was also typical of apostles (Acts 8:14-15,18); (5) Ananias prophesied concerning the future life of Paul (Acts 9:15-16, 22:14-15), (6) Ananias miraculously healed the blindness of Saul (Acts 9:18, 22:13), and (7) Wikipedia states that “according to one tradition, Ananias evangelized Damascus, before becoming its bishop and being martyred in Eleutheropolis around the year 60 A.D.”[4] Notably, John MacArthur wrote in the same vein that Ananias was “one of the leaders of the Damascus church”.[5]

[@stevemelvin6012]

The problem with this answer is the question.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@56pjr]

Any truly born again male adult can and should baptize. There are NO special "holy men"

[@2CPropertiesTeams]

That was really grey

[@elainegreen5855]

I'm pretty sharp, but man, way to pontificate. You used 3 minutes and said nothing... all I got out of it was Pat Boone baptizing in his pool. I learned more from the comments than I learned from you.

[@DdD-pi8jw]

Sorry, but “the sacraments and ordinances are the purview of the church” does not seem consistent with Christ’s teachings or the Apostolic ministry. In fact, it sounds a great deal like warmed-up Catholicism. Universal Priesthood is a common belief among Protestants due to Scripture passages such as 1Peter 2:9. If we are Priests with Christ, then we of a certainty have within us the means and privilege to Priestly duties, including baptism.

[@MichaelKunz-mt2oo]

First of all, I also didn't hear Scripture being used. These arguments were akin to listening to the CCC of the Roman church using only human reason to defend a tradition or practice not found in Scripture. If baptism is spiritual warfare, where a believer openly proclaims allegiance to Christ, and if we are to believe in the biblical doctrine of the priesthood of the believer, then I am not convinced that a baptismal ceremony of Christians with Christ in the midst is somehow not a "legitimate" baptism. I have not made up my mind yet, but when I do it must be based on Scriptural evidence, not human reason.

[@akvillelindroos877]

So sad.. very very sad.. :(

[@sambananas4513]

The written word kills the Spirit of the Word gives Life.

[@caman171]

The problem with Ligonier, is that they are "Reformed"....which means they consider themselves to be the continuation of the Church Catholic ("Reformed Catholic"...remember, the Catholic Church is what they were reforming, the reformers had no intention of breaking away from the "true church" until they were kicked out). Reformed theology is a form of Landmarkism, as they believe they are the inheritors of the true Catholic faith, and thus the Catholic Church is the true church established by Christ. They accept all of the Ecumenical creeds of the Catholic church, including the ones which state baptism for the remission of sins...heresy!). Thats why they have a "high" ecclesiology. However, even the Roman Catholic Church believes ANYONE can baptize! The rite of baptism in the Roman Church says "The Rite of Baptism says, "All lay persons, since they belong to the priestly people, and especially parents and, by reason of their work, catechists, obstetricians, ... nurses of the sick, as well as physicians and surgeons, should know the proper method of baptizing in cases of necessity" (Rite of Baptism, 17). Also, the Roman Catholic Catechism says "In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation. (CCC 1256)SOOOO in this instance, the Reformed churches are the ones who are adding to Scripture, more so than the Catholic Church!

[@lryanpurtteman6938]

the Holy Spirit baptizes and indwells His chosen.

[@whatwouldjesus3444]

Fear that leads to excessive non biblical control.

[@notatheory4488]

Yet no actual statements on who and by what authority.

[@T.Ravikumar]

They've no idea what's baptism nor the Lord's supper. It's not who gives the baptism or the Lord's supper that matters. The worldwide 'church' (~99%) has become an Old Testament, hierarchical, commandment and ordinance professing church. The very thing that Jesus came to destroy, embodied in the destruction of the temple building as God's residence & God coming to live in (Salvation, 1Cor 3:16) & living through (Worship, Rom 12:1) His born-again children.

[@nickfedor210]

This guy got excited when he says so and so wrote... Not good. Should get excited to quote some scripture not some guy you are quoting.

[@jacobjake6339]

baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ.

[@MrBikeman7]

I must have missed it, but did they answer the question and did we learn anything? Just a talk fest going nowhere.

[@discipleshipmovements]

Read bible - God has comanded all believer can baptise.............all believer can share communion.............

[@ikesters6697]

No, it is those who have the authority of Jesus who can baptize in his name (Jesus Christ). Believers are not the same as followers.

[@discipleshipmovements]

@@ikesters6697 every disciple of Jesus have authority. Mat 28:18-20 is for all born again person. Also Jesus gave authority to his disciples Luke 9:1, Mat 10:1. All disciples are having authority to share gospel, baptise people, heal the sick, cast out demons etc. But Some people are not born again they have not received the new life in Jesus christ. They don't have the Holy Spirit.... I am not talking about them. But all born again people have authority to do that. That is what bible says. There is not a single scripture in bible tells that one need special authority to do this. Remember all are priest in new testament. All have same authority in christ.

[@ikesters6697]

@@discipleshipmovements Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but HE WHO DOES THE WILL of MY Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who PRACTICE lawlessness!’

[@ikesters6697]

@@discipleshipmovements Matthew 28:18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to THEM, (his Apostles) saying, “ALL authority has been GIVEN TO ME (Jesus) in heaven and on earth. *Jesus to HIS APOSTLES:* 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father (Philippians 2:9-11) (Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him THE NAME which is above every name, 10 that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the GLORY OF GOD the Father.) and of THE SON (Jesus Christ) and of THE HOLY SPIRIT," (Jesus Christ) Jesus orders this to HIS APOSTLES 20 teaching THEM (His/Their followers) to observe all things that I have commanded YOU (His Apostles); and lo, I am with YOU (his Apostles) always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

[@discipleshipmovements]

Who baptised Paul the apostle?

[@CoinsRus-pn2rh]

Man it's scary how wrong these guys are and the position they hold I know I'm my heart guided by the holy spirit soon as I heard the 1st guys voice I knew they was deceiving read the bible yall deception is everywhere they want you in church well guess what I'm in church every night at my house with my wife and 6 kids and blessed we are

[@casualobserver485]

Elders want to hold on to their power !

[@oriongazer38]

Answer the question. Good grief.

[@archiepereira7611]

False , Lord Jesus has Authorised and commissioned all Believers to preach , disciple and baptise Mark 15:15 , and not only to the church / leaders which was founded later at Pentecost Acts 2:1

[@James-ng9qn]

if the church is what god wants, and im not saying he don't but why do most Christian Churches warship on Sunday? when the sabbath is the 7th day which is Saturday knowing the pope changed it on his own authority? also why did the Church that I was going to have baptize my family say they warship Yashua on Sunday when that and the sabbath is against God's / Jesus's Fathers commandments/ Laws when it comes to his fallowers? Also why are most Churches condoning the LGBTQ or BLM extremist violent terrorist groups? Jesus was kind but still was the truth. My Family was fired, she was sexually harassed, and threatened by our boss/ landlord with being kicked out over our life of Christ Jesus and standing for truth, Gods people, and the defenseless, And yet no one no matter how many people we have as witnesses of similar situations from the same man, or how much evidences, like pictures recordings, pictures, receipts. no one will help? all of the lawyers and churches are to afraid of the people just like the pharisees in the days of Jesus the son of Mary and God. Fordyce AR has cast us out as a result of all of this. nut its ok were fine. we know God will guide us.

[@ikesters6697]

Because they don't have the authority of Christ. They preach the scriptures, not the word of God (which is spirit)

[@jahrasta4907]

Reason, blind faith, and everything in between will not get you any closer to God. Sit in the silence, experience him directly, not from nonsensical chit chat, pastoral hot air isn't the Spirit of God.

[@adamkpetty]

I think they hit the nail on the head with this one. Baptism in the New Testament is always performed by a leader in the church (Apostle, Evangelist, or Elder). This should be our practice as well. The Apostles were commissioned by Christ. The Apostles then went and ordained Elders and Deacons. These Elders would go on and ordain new men to these offices, and so on and so forth until the end of the age. This is the true “Apostolic Succession.” We have offices in the church for a reason. Much of American Christianity suffers from an individualistic mindset that ignores the reality that God also works in the midst of a community of believers. No man is an island. He must be subject to those in authority over him.

[@reformedcatholic457]

They are right only ordained ministers or elders can baptize others. People don't like the church doing what God has set in Scripture. But if no ordained minister is around then anyone can baptize a person.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@NOLUTHANDO SIBUSISIWE Dludla When someone is baptised in the book of Acts and others it's always the Apostles/Ministers are doing the baptising, to my knowledge there is no non ordained Minister doing the baptising in Scripture, if there is it is very rare. This is a part of a role of an ordained Minister that is to perform the sacraments because he is to test whether one understands the Gospel before being baptised.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@NOLUTHANDO SIBUSISIWE Dludla I never made the argument that only ordained ministers can evangelize, but if one was to evangelize he has to be well versed in the Scriptures. Yes, the great commission, is tied to baptism, that's why when one wants to become a believer he should take him to the Pastor and talk about baptism.

[@alandagg9511]

how about missionaries?

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@alandagg9511 Missionaries are usually Ministers.

[@CONNAITREpourVIVRE]

Amen. It is consistent with the Bible that baptism should be only performed by (1) men (2) who hold a special office in Christ's church and redemption history. The Bible hence shows that only prophets (John the Baptist), evangelists (e.g. Philip), apostles (Paul, Christ's disciples), and elders baptized (Timothy, etc). There is no baptism performed by a Christian who had not been appointed to a special office in the Bible. Rationale: Baptism is the door to the local church flock hence baptism is guarded and performed by the leaders of the church. The Bible is our rule for faith and practice. Deviating from Biblical practices is neither safe nor wise nor pleasing to God. Note: the priesthood of all believers does not mean that all tasks can be performed by all Christians in Christ's church because we have roles and gifts and genders that differ. Blessings - Jonas

[@_rob_.]

Biblical support for your points of view? Not important? Oh, ok, forget i asked.

[@randynbham]

Preaching opinion is never a good idea. This was the worst from Ligonier.

[@dakotawindom]

You guys are way off on this one. Repent.

[@mt9567]

Biblically, if the baptism doesn't use the name Jesus (see Acts 2:38) it's not valid. Baptism is for the remission of sins. In Jewish tradition it's used to declare the bride is officially betrothed to the groom. Father, son, and Holy Ghost are not names, they're descriptive terms. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[@carmensiekierke3579]

M.T., Oneness Pentecostals are wrong. You reject the Trinity. "In the name of Jesus" is not a baptismal formula. It is an expression of authority. Matthew 28: 19 " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Who said that? Jesus, Himself.

[@mt9567]

@@carmensiekierke3579 Then tell me, what is the "NAME" (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as the apostles were commanded to baptize? Are you suggesting the Apostles disobeyed Jesus or got it wrong? You will only see baptism in Jesus name in the Bible. Never using the titles or descriptive terms Father, son, and Holy Spirit. "Go ye therefore... 'Therefore' is said by Jesus because he had already revealed to them who he was/is. Here's two quick examples, but there's many more. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

[@2CPropertiesTeams]

Horrible

[@phil3924]

Parents baptizing their children is the latest fad. I would never do that and wouldn’t want to. It cheapens it if just anybody does it.