Whoppy Killed Phillup | Death explained

[@romarioergie]

Really appreciate this video. Growing up you always hear the saying but never an explanation. Keep up the great work!

[@jayyvngblud3110]

Big up jamaica chapter nigel for those interested information and may god bless u and continue to the good works🙏🙏🙏

[@elgranjero2284]

Thanks for the history lesson on Whoppy King. I've always heard that name or the idiomatic expression "when Whoppy killed Phillup." I also watched your historical take on Delroy Wilson and found it quite informative. There is just one thing I find a bit distasteful in your narration though, and that is your categorization of Whoppy as " a dirty locks Rasta man." I take offence with that reference because it comes off as derogatory and scornful. You could've easily said: A man with dirty locks,, stained teeth and unkempt hair. My father, for the last 35 years of his life, was a Rastafarian who - through his work as an engineer - was a respectable productive member of the Jamaican society. I find that many Jamaicans do look down upon people with locks with a superiority complex. My father, like all true rastas, had a great ideology on life, religion, morality, deportment, and family values which were all entrenched in the teachings of His Majesty. Sir, if there is any way possible please edit out the word "Rasta" from your narration. I am not of the Rasta faith as my father was but I have great respect for the people who categorize themselves as Rastas, and Whoppy King does not belong in that sub-group as my father and the many thousand people throughout the world who class themselves as Rastas. Blessings

[@JamaicanChapter]

The description is specifically pointed to Whoppy King alone and does not refer to the entire Rastafarian community. (The Gleaner at the time described him as a Rasta).

[@elgranjero2284]

@@JamaicanChapter Bredrin, in those times (the 1950's) Jamaica was under white, British rule and most things that were put out in the Gleaner and over Radiogram were controlled by a white ruling class. The narrative back then was skewed towards the British. Blacks (along with Chinese & Indians) were second class citizens. Rastafari which begun its movement in the 1930's (and given some strength by Leonard Howell, Joseph Hibbert, Archibald Dunkley & Marcus Garvey), was looked upon as the lowest of the lowest. Here now, in the 21st Century we should be careful how we talk about ourselves, our culture, and our sub-cultures. Whoppy King, with his locks etc., and criminal ways was obviously not a man of high moral character but we should be careful how we characterize him in reference to a group of people who have given yeoman service at the highest levels of society. Let's repudiate and relinquish old colonial terminologies that served only to put us down.

[@jasminsimpson1324]

Well said!!👏

[@patriciamccalla5300]

Well said, Jamaicans have a bad habit of calling anyone with locks Rasta. They need to stop call Rasta duty Rasta.

[@orvillethompson9351]

You are theorizing what happened

[@bluehibiscus502]

Wow! Who knew Whoppy & Phillup were real people.

[@Nyameanah]

I thought Whoppy and Philup represented million years or old as dinosaurs 😮😮.

[@jay-sean424]

​@empresspaula-mae I thought it was just a folklore

[@olgamartin5884]

​Every bed time story is also real they tell it like parable just like Jack and the Bean stalk Bredda Annancy and Tucomba Cinderella Harry Potter the Prince and the Pauper just to name a few all of them are real

[@nerdknowledgeunlimited6023]

I thought it was just urban legend LOL.

[@vivienneforrester5578]

Really​@@Nyameanah

[@georgeedwards9374]

Thank you for the enlightment on that story of Whoppy. In the future, can you please tell us about Ryggin,Mospan and Goldstine. The were outlaws extraordinary in the fifties i believe. Looking forward with great expection. Thank you for your timely discourse on the Whoppy subject. Done with good clarity and explanation.

[@rafftafari7332]

Whoopy King wasn't a rastaman, he was just a bearded-man.

[@allanvickers3501]

I still don't understand how the phrase Wholly kill Phillup came about. Who the heck was Phillup?

[@JamaicanChapter]

Sydney Garel's petname was supposedly Phillip.

[@AckeeEater.]

Watch the video again. --Æ.

[@elgranjero2284]

Apparently he is implying that Garel's nickname was Phillup.

[@dannysinclair5089]

That's the nickname of the same man he killed.

[@456loveluck]

Good thing I found it Cause my mom always said that term 😂, not many times Sometimes 🗣️🤔❓

[@byronbanner2298]

Very informative keep up the good work

[@carolb.6350]

Thank you for sharing this story with us.

[@Mushroom-z6f]

My bro keep doing things the want you're doing it, don't matter the good you do there's always someone who will see you and your work or works as being not enough or no good. You who is telling the man to speak faster please leave the man alone stop listening to the channel if it doesn't suits you

[@bollockchop501]

Because a man has dreadlocks doesn’t make him Rasta, true rastaman would not commit these crimes,be more careful in your choice of words

[@dannysinclair5089]

Thank you..

[@markspringer716]

Oonu think Rasta a oonu Jesus ? Lol 😂😂😂

[@nyabinghinyabinghirealms9433]

​@markspringer716 u choose a white man to be ur god rasta choose a black king...Jesus the ship that brought you to Jamaica into slavery and now ur praising the same idol that they use to put us in slavery so stupid so dumb u all praising a white man for ir god...

[@richardcalbut3927]

Was about to enjoy the sort imagine identified a dread as a Rastaman, smh. It's really ignorance, Blessings for your standing against any slaughtering.

[@whitehallavenue1752]

​@markspringer716 Juvenile

[@christineh322]

Be mindful of your audience and refrain from using outdated, stereotypical, derogatory language and description when referring to Rastas! As others have stated not everyone with locs are Rastas. Such language is extremely offensive and conjures up memories of the 'Blackheart Man' era as described in Bunny Wailer's song of that title. True Rastas are far from dirty!!

[@markspringer716]

The description and references of said man was no different from a real Rasta in those days. He was reading the printed narrative. It's just a reminder of the raw uncensored scorn of the day. The narrator had no imput.

[@skygawd5609]

Just made this exact same comment but I think it’s the Christian blood in him he cannot help himself 😂

[@karennotice3563]

I believe he's referring to the way Jamaicans referenced to Rasta back then not now

[@dorinemckenzie-samuda806]

I think the young lady in this story bite whoppy King And that's how she was able to ID him as, he had trim to look different

[@Michel-7.7.7]

Why do i get the vibes you fit the description of a white liberal middleclass woman?

[@sweetsop2938]

In this day and age we should not be referring to a person wearing locks whether for religious purposes or not as "dirty locks rasta man" poor choice of words.

[@elgranjero2284]

I totally agree. Listening to many Jamaicans you can tell that rastafari is not looked upon favourably among many people. DJ artist Stitchie demonstrated that sentiment when he did his hit song "Natty Dread....and dem deh kind of living." If we patterned our "living" more off the Rastaman we wouldn't be having so much crap in Jamaica with all these murders, a shredded moral fibre, and same sex relationships.

[@jasminsimpson1324]

Well said...it's about time we start understanding the legacy of colonialism on our people's minds and stop perpetuating the ignorance and prejudice brought about by our oppressors.

[@charmainerussell5226]

Well whoopy was one because he was a old murderer!

[@MC-mv2wr]

Love it that there are almost 50 k views on this fella. This story brings memories of my late father of the1955 windrush generation. The 1st time I heard the name/story of Whoppy King was my father recollecion who was (32yr old) in Kingston the day the JA police wasnt playing while urgently rounding up every bearded dread for interogation for the wicked murder of the fiance and rape with attempted murder of his pretty part chinee girlfriend. My father a strong supportar of the death penalty and like many of 1st time windrush always said at the time he dont like no bearded man with his reason being WHOPPY KING. Something else not spoken about so much, this crime fired up a lot of emotion I can only imagine that some poor innocent dreads that day had busted heads.. Great crime story. 👍👏

[@sidneyreid1366]

Blogger i love the music u played in the background at the beginning of this video. U should have played it all through the video.😅

[@marvinwright7656]

“Creeping up on the couple was a dirty locks Rasta man..” 😂😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️ ayooo that made me laugh out loud!! Love your channel on these old Jamaican gangsters! Respect form the UK 🇬🇧

[@jeffcee9457]

Thanks for sharing the starting was sad but it make up in the end with the rope around di Rasta man

[@yvonnegrant3659]

Thanks for all this info , I always hear my mom talking about it!!

[@musicmind7846]

that was a dread my lord, not a rasta man, u dig??

[@kamkam4571]

Fi real, caz Rasta clean and take pride inna dem teet wid dem chew stick n cane.

[@byronneedle-xp3oy]

Very interesting I always hear about wappy killing pillop I am going watch more of your videos thanks again for sharing these interesting stories

[@paulogee6220]

Love the background music bredda, real doo wop era in badmanism. 😅😅😅

[@vinnette4583]

from i was a child i use to hear my grand parents talk about about whoppy king and Phillip up and the killing on the beach

[@richardgregory2349]

can you state how the name phillup came about

[@nekeishasmith4382]

Keep it up bro😢

[@oliverose3465]

Thank you for explaining about Woppy King

[@blackjarokat]

Thanks for the story always heard the saying but never the backstory. Did subscribe bless up

[@antoinettethompson1159]

Thank you so much for this history lesson. Please could you please find Gregory Isaac'.Thank you

[@LeTheeman]

This is an accurate report from what I heard, now some might not like the truth but you are not here to sugarcoat the facts just to please any, feelings might be hurt but the truth is a solid rock, peace...

[@mandy6379]

I always heard about whoppy kill philipup from i was a child and thought it was a joke some one made up...but never knew it was a real thing....as my mother always said you live and learn.

[@asherbendavid59]

Back in that anynody with even a beard was /could be mistaken for a Ras.. weird

[@Ben-Ken]

I'm not a Rasta but I understand why some people don't like that Whoppy was labeled a Rastaman. He may have just been an unkempt savage. Since people didn't understand or like Rastafarians at the time, they probably just called him that.

[@drtonyfearon7318]

Thanks for info. The old timers always mention woppy king.

[@normanbrown9225]

Thanks for the Info I have been looking for info on Wholly, I as 7 years old Kingston Ja.❤

[@normanbrown9225]

Whoppy king is what I was saying and in 1951 I was 7 years Old, Kingston Ja.

[@saulbenjamin6368]

Also gave us an update on dat old time black Jamaican character name bag o wire it would be cool to here about him lol

[@1968cageyb]

I think my mother mentioned seeing Bag-O-Wire. I will have to ask her.

[@donone7686]

I have been hearing the saying from Whoopy king kill Phillip from I'm a boy and its the first I know what its about lol

[@kayziacoutureclothing4035]

😂😂😂 me too

[@justicedagreat]

So who the hell is Phillup?

[@claudettestewart3711]

Inteteresting, i wonder where 'Phillup' came from since the victim's name was Sidney 🤔

[@jahjire5518]

Great work.

[@Rapchaendz1]

Thanks fir the history !!

[@InspirationalTeacherr]

I know that the narrator wasn’t trying to be disrespectful to rastas. I know that very well. I just wanted to let people know the difference between rastas and dreads. The word dread as it relates to locks ,was originated in England by white men who knew very little about our faith. If you refer to a real authentic Rastafarian person as a dread you would be in for some serious problems. I for instance,I don’t entertain anyone calling me a dread as I’m not dreadful. Children used to be scared of a Rastaman because they were told that he is a black heart man and when you see one you should run or call the police but now the Eastman has come a long way to emerge as the most peaceful person on earth.

[@JoanBingham-i3c]

The Death penalty should still be considered

[@MasterresalerightsMRR]

I honestly did not know this was a true story!

[@janettebailey6275]

Thanks for that clarification

[@janoyantonio9585]

But no statement on who the phillup he killed was, the death form was on woppy. I'm confused here that did i miss

[@tdotsubway]

Is the big whopper named after Whoppy?

[@DevonBarnett-q9f]

Discrimination against Rasta have been going on from Day one, no wonder Joomayka people suspicion of Rasta is still existence even today expounded by church and state via the media

[@zillogullu33]

And fools like this ...

[@RR-kb2ks]

1. This dangerous nasty piece of work was not a rasta, just a serious ruffian, with locksed hair. 2. Dread and Natty are not derogatory terms. 3. Please stop finding fault in the presenters delivery, he is doing a good work, taking time and effort to bring a lot of insighful and historical information to us. If you feel you can do better, then stay away, create your own channel and stop knocking the guy - big up Jamaican Chapter.

[@MarciaWilliams-y4d]

I thought this was a myth. I didn’t know it was for real.

[@TheWetwet]

Me too 😮

[@shandibessant59]

Me to 😮 mi caa believe a backside

[@joscelynmiller9333]

i still dont hear who Pillup was? Cho!!

[@JamaicanChapter]

The focus of the video was on Whoppy King. But I agree that I should have gave details about Phillip (supposed petname of Sydney Garel). But the video was already made.

[@Lionking-i8k]

Pillup can be just about anyone

[@SandiSandi639]

@@JamaicanChapterbut u should have mentioned that Garel was also called Phillup 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@GanGztaGriZZle9684]

Pay attention

[@OneilBent-j9t]

Very great vlogger.

[@jermainemiller6750]

I never knew that this was real omg!!

[@solomonbeckford1885]

Report on how some police officers met violence killings too!

[@charmainewarsop688]

Speak in that manner I am interested to listen and understand

[@Junjo11]

Nigel, can you try to find Whoppy or Phillip family they must have family alive. 1952, was not that long .

[@JamaicanChapter]

Actually, I researched the families of them both but left such information out.

[@christineh322]

If the narrator is reading from an original script re the description of Whoppy, then maybe a caveat explaining this would help to avoid the reactions from viewers who find it offensive.

[@AckeeEater.]

Good info but the first native GG was not Florizel Glasspole; it was Clifford Campbell. I was born in 1951 so yuh done know seh me no like fe hear dat me born from when Whappy kill Philip! Grrr! --Æ.

[@JamaicanChapter]

Thanks for pointing out the error. I have since edited it out.

[@ronmandingo1566]

Who was Phillup.

[@RichardAllan-z2q]

You need to talk about. Maxfield sunrise.Don aka Rodigan.

[@OrlandoAnderson-pt3nb]

So who was Phillup???

[@jdfguthrie]

Still dont know or what is Phillup.

[@dean-kz9cm]

I don't hear nttn about phillup whoppy would not be popular without phillup 😢

[@dawnallen287]

Mr mind your mouth talking about dirty Rasta man , you have fashion dread, you have Rasta, both are not the same, pls don’t try to disrespect Rasta , I don’t understand what your talking about wholly kill Phillup more than disrespecting RASTA, get your act together Mr

[@JamaicanChapter]

The description is of the specific man (Whoppy King) and not of the Rastafarian community.

[@andrewcummings2416]

Them a deven dread them just locsup

[@jdfguthrie]

Yes but should differentiate because Rasta is not just anyone wearing locs. You could have gone about the story without using degrading comments about Rasta. Just don't sound good and not a good look either. I am not even rasta and I take offense. I even hate the fact that every and anyone just loc them hair without respect for the background and it's purpose. However u can't sensor man from fashion but at least u have control over your language. So just be mindful of the word and how it's used. The same u wouldn't want all black folks to be referred to as nigga or monkey.

[@skellyghosskellyghos6239]

If he died 45 ,then at least early thirties at the time of his first murder

[@michaelnelson7438]

So what was so special about this murder that their names are still known to this day.

[@CN-pq6wj]

Who is phillup

[@errgag3580]

So who was Phillups? You never mentioned

[@blackpild3171]

Who is Phillip??

[@ricardobaggio4330]

Sydney garrell was philop??

[@JamaicanChapter]

Yes, indeed

[@sqaddie]

Excellent choice of topic, however your delivery felt like " watching paint dry " but I'm sure you will be working on it 👍🏾

[@CeeItsMe]

Lol @ “watching paint dry”😂

[@pvirgo9338]

Rasta man ?? fix up your talk

[@ikongchin3088]

Mi fully agree wid de I. Nuff 1s in n 1s from a certain back ground always look down pon RASTA. Now as a full grown man , mi tek offence to your wording regarding RASTA suh please watch U mouth n how U address RASTA. This is now 2023 a nuh back then when deh powas dat be had deh uppa hand regarding how we think n speak. Nuh badda wid it seen .

[@charmainerussell5226]

Whoopy was just as he described him he was a old murderer

[@AuthenticSelector64]

Some people call dem self Whoppy King…..disgusting

[@judithwhite6148]

Who is Phillop????

[@Zeddy641]

Law boss sen mi yasso

[@FrankTulloch]

"From Whoppy King Phillup"

[@MadSwagMedia]

From Whoppy Kill Phillup

[@raphaelgeorge6486]

It's nice to hear about this but yu make it a lot longer yu drawing out your words

[@514relaxmode]

Dirty locks Rastaman???? Dats where I log off...........

[@JamaicanChapter]

The description is of Whoppy King only and does not refer to the entire Rastafarian community.

[@pvirgo9338]

Stop it bout Rasta, just bbc Stop it !!

[@514relaxmode]

@@JamaicanChapter words have power....

[@mrg21659]

How him know seh de man teeth stain and him mouth stink 🤔 eeeeee sah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🇯🇲❤️

[@traum640]

My granny used to say whoppy killed phillup because him did borrow a money from whoppy and when whoppy asked him for the money phillup beat whoppy. She said whoppy laywait phillup and chopped him up with a machete.

[@gregoryrc3746]

I would still like to know who phillup was

[@JamaicanChapter]

Indeed. Because the focus was on Whoppy, I avoided locating the death registration forms of the other persons.

[@RomarioToretto]

The fourth of April is soon many years since he died

[@jendayipinnock6180]

hey sir, hello...nuh badda wid di dirty Rasta business. Rasta nuh mixup inna bangarang! Mad man with dirty locs is all you had to say.

[@JamaicanChapter]

It is obvious that the description points to Whoppy King alone. It does not include the Rastafarian community.

[@jendayipinnock6180]

No, it’s not obvious. Look how many people commented. The man was not a Rasta because he had locs, clean up your argument rather than be combative.

[@CeeItsMe]

Hmm. But if you’re literally referring to him as a “Rasta” of any kind, then yeah, you’re actually saying that he represents the Rastafarian community. And yeah, I completely take offence to that.

[@lanaranger9770]

Up to now I don’t know who phillup is

[@kamkam4571]

Suppose it wasn’t him that killed Phillup? They could’ve sentenced an innocent man!

[@vivettebrown6655]

How Phillup came from

[@mystikraindroptv7767]

Where is Phillup grave

[@JamaicanChapter]

Interesting question. I might re-visit this story by going to there graves

[@EvelynPalmer-r8c]

A Long time from dutty whappy,days the justice system is weak, n shaky, by just giving ppl like those just a few months in prison to come repeat them dutty habits

[@orlandorichards9942]

Mi like hw nigel say dirty locks rasta man 😂

[@Senator_B]

Why do you talk so slow like you are talking to school kids? Speed it up a little bro.

[@Mrs.T305]

Increase the speed with the settings icon in the video.

[@kingstunna7666]

​@@Mrs.T305😂

[@user-nubiangoddess]

Gosh. He has a good program here...this is how he speak. Enjoy the program

[@shaniquavybz9007]

Good story teller but It's true needs to be a bit faster

[@patrickrowe6745]

You can speed it up bro

[@sashacreary9007]

So these were real people???

[@JamaicanChapter]

Yes, indeed, as is evidenced in the Gleaner and the death registration form I read.

[@edneypowell1216]

Yes they were. The thing about Whoppy King is that he was Jamaica first badman along with Rygin

[@peterprice2705]

While the historical narrative is quite informative and helpful to listeners & viewers, the narrator needs to let someone else tell these stories. His voice and presentation are the biggest turn off to such vital information. Why are you counting your words so much are you doing a summary and you want to get the exact words or what?Wasn't anyone there to advice him frankly and truthfully NOT to narrate the stories himself? In addition, you need to choose your words carefully when relating to certain people in the society. (e.g. the 'Rastaman', etc.). Great information but poor narration.

[@Fada_king]

Remember the guy is Haitian

[@alvesthegreat]

Is there a reason you doing the video so slow and depressing

[@JamaicanChapter]

Thanks for taking the time to give a feedback. I appreciate it. I don't see where it's slow and depressing though.

[@venkatbryan2743]

maybe is deso dem get the phrase "whoppy back"

[@kelsonalleyne]

Don't involve rasta in your business just tell the story of the criminal he was not a rasta

[@cleverB634]

I thought that was just a saying. Didn't knew it was actually real

[@damionmorris3523]

so is the person he killed name philop

[@deenyferguson8630]

Yes

[@1KurrentlyKurrenciii]

🤔🤔

[@jerusalem6559]

I don’t know how a 17 minute video seemed like an hr long.. the narrator speaks painfully slowly…

[@ronaldsamuels7286]

that is not where the phrase came from get your facts right I've seen this man many times at gold street sea side a dangerous looking man everyone avoid get your facts right

[@jdfguthrie]

What are the facts sir, don't just spill all that without base

[@lavernsmith8699]

I am 71. From i was little little people used this saying "from woppy kill Pillop" probable meaning a long time. So which part yu si Whoppy these days?😅 an Phillop probable mean Philip in proper english.

[@carljohnson3774]

Mate, you are treating us like we are dunce.☹

[@Junjo11]

I am hoping that Whoppy King did not have any children because they would be evil like him

[@JamaicanChapter]

Whoppy King was living with his girlfriend, a woman called Ruby at 60 West Street, Kingston. I did not go to the area to find out if Whoppy King had children. If he did, I doubt that they became as him.

[@newtonsmith6682]

This comment is specifically for my friend...Friend! Do you blame this killing on dancehall music too?