3 Cartridges Better than 6.5 Creedmoor

[@mrmatt7210]

Ive spent a lifetime hunting with a .308Win, .270 Win and most recently a 6.5 Creedmoor. I doubt seriously a person could examine the wound channel of a deer taken with one of these cartridges and be assured in guessing the cartridge which was used. In my opinion, these three cartridges all perform nearly identically on deer sized game. A poorly made shot will lose game even if you shoot a 300 mag.

[@jfoutdoors4337]

My experience with the 6.5 CM has been all positive. 143 ELDX bullets. We have taken 8 mule deer, pronghorn and 3 elk. ZERO issues. Know your limits and make good shots.

[@CiviTac]

6.5 is just a great all around cartridge. I’ve basically replaced my .308 stuff with 6.5cm as it seems to do the same thing just a little better in most categories

[@Notreallyme377]

I agree. It’s not a magic round but works pretty well

[@ajdube9967]

Like with every cartridge.

[@aldean6333]

Yep

[@fedup3582]

​@@CiviTacnot that either is my very favorite, but I have owned and hunted with the 308 and 6.5 creedmoor. I no longer have the creedmoor, I do still have 308.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

I’ve never had problems with my old school .30-06, .308, or .243 for all big game in the lower 48.

[@damham5689]

I have a 308 and use it for all my deer hunting. As the old saying goes " Beware the man with 1 gun, he probably knows how to use it "

[@goodnewseverybody739]

Theses “old school “ rounds may not have the b/c or powder efficiency of newer offerings but they are “knock down” rounds, more than makes up for it. Outfitters and guides love it when they don’t have to track wounded game!😊

[@aldean6333]

And you won’t with well placed shots.

[@aldean6333]

@@goodnewseverybody739it’s placing shot in vitals

[@Alan-cw8vy]

270 Forever. Everything I point at falls down. The only caliber I use here in Alaska. Why bother with the Needmore?

[@dongunderson9572]

Another good 6.5 is the 6.5x55 swedish. Shoots fairly flat and good power with low recoil.

[@marksummerlin976]

Would love to have one someday.

[@lenzadlberger]

6.5x55SE killed more Moose and every other Game Animal in Sweden Norway and Finnland then every other Cartridge in the last 129 Years / it is equal in Performance then 6.5 Creedmoor with European Factory Ammo and you get a little bit more Juice out of it if you load it for an newer Rifle with with good Brass you can easiliy load it for a little bit more pressure then from Factory

[@nathanadrian7797]

Also the .264 Win. Mag. and 6.5-06.

[@garyh1449]

Yup, the grandaddy of all the 6.5's

[@garyh1449]

@@marksummerlin976 I have the 96 Swede, the M-38 Swede and a Sauer 100. Great cartridge.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Got my son a Ruger American All Weather stainless steel rifle with a 22 inch barrel in 7mm-08. Got a Bell & Carlson aftermarket stock with an aluminum trigger guard upgrade that came with it. I got a Leopold 2-7 power scope to put on it. He absolutely loves it.

[@MrRourk]

The perfect kids gun 7mm-08 well until we get 25 Creedmoor

[@garyh1449]

Yup, What's not to love? A great build for sure.

[@Red-vn4xq]

Excellent caliber.

[@johnmorganjr769]

I couldn't put a better deer rig together than that !! 💯

[@melvinganoe1175]

I could never give up my .270.

[@MrHiggsrocks]

Amen.. everything is chasing 270 ballistics.. 270 already has it.. used one since 1980.. not changing now💪🏻🇺🇸

[@ianlauhon8760]

Me either it's my favorite round too

[@_GlockComa]

Truth! I've used 30-06, 308, 7mm, 270, 6.5, 243... for almost all medium to large game, 270 just fits. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@YoungDisciple90]

I just bought my first rifle Browning AB3 Hunter in 270 went with that caliber off my uncle’s recommendation just got it haven’t shot it yet how’s the recoil on it?

[@christianspain3015]

Amen.

[@texasfairbanksman272]

The 264 Win mag and the 6.5 Rem mag are hard to beat. I still like the older stuff better.

[@fredrickwaldon1579]

I agree.They put down the 260 rem because it was too hot so now they want to better the creedmoor by going hotter with the PRC.Makes no sense.The creedmoor makes no sense.If you want a lighter loaded 264 don’t make 10 more cartridges smaller just down load the ones available.It’s all sales gimmick.

[@howardcox7993]

​@@fredrickwaldon1579the 6.5cr does make sense. it was developed as a 1000yd target round. a higher twist rate stabilizes a long bullet reducing wind drift, the variable hardest to compensate in long range. that along with low recoil makes an accurate 1000yd target round. what doesn't make sense is to make 6.5cr a go to deer cartridge. the 6.5cr could be a target gun that the wife and kids also shoot and someone could hunt with it as a multi-purpose rifle...what makes no sense is to argue about it when hopefully it's nobody's only gun

[@georgezink8256]

@@fredrickwaldon1579 you really can’t download the 264 safely , remember the powder used must fill the case to at least 80% or greater to be safe, I’ll have to do research to find a slow burning powder? But what’s the reaso to slow down any cartridge ? Change caliber if recoil is a issue

[@nasedo3129]

I'm always glad to see the .270 do well. I put a bolt-on muzzle break on mine and it feels just like my .243!

[@MrRourk]

We got fast twist .270 but the 6.8 (270 on steroids) Western comes in short action and will work with 20" barrel.

[@YoungDisciple90]

@nasedo I’m new to hunting so I didn’t know anything about a bolt on one until I just seen this I was thinking about trying to get mine threaded but how well does the bolt on one work and do you mind me asking how much it was?

[@nasedo3129]

@@YoungDisciple90 It works great, I highly recommend it. I bought mine a few years ago from Witt Machine and it cost about $100.

[@justanobserver530]

I prefer the 7mm08. I've had numerous people say, "the 6.5 has a flatter trajectory, the 7mm08 is a lot more expensive etc" but for me what I hunt and the fact that I don't practice with my 7mm08, it's far superior to the 6.5 . It has better penetration, is capable for all the distances I've ever killed game (including elk) and my Weatherby will put 5 shots within. 0.5 inches every single time I test it out before a hunt. I used to shoot a 30- 06 but my Weatherby is lighter with less recoil, Win win. Just my experience , they've been dropping quicker with the 7mm08 too...better bullet selection, better placement??? I don't know, just the way it's turned out for me.

[@usafret4709]

I have two 6.5 CM. Tack drivers with a Norma 143 Bonded Tip. Would not hesitate taking them deer hunting. I think a lot of issues people are having with the 6.5 is bullet selection. However, as you mentioned, 7mm-08 is becoming my go to. Even having a custom rifle built in that caliber. It is the do-everything cartridge in my opinion (within acceptable ranges).

[@colelowenstein1201]

Ballistically 7mm 08 and 270 win are incredibly similar

[@anthonysullivan4202]

7m-08 rules!

[@phild9813]

The 7mm-08 is certainly not “far superior” to the 6.5 at anything. That’s an exaggeration, without a doubt. And the fact that you don’t practice with the 7-08 and it’s your go to hunting rig seems unwise. I’d switch to the 6.5 if I were you.

[@justanobserver530]

@@phild9813 Considering your oblivious to the penetration differences and apparently cannot make drop/wind calculations with anything other than the one round you like, I'll take your 2 cents for what it's worth.

[@MulletDestructur]

I like what you said about having a smaller cartridge and being accurate with it than a larger one. I’ve seen so many people with the bigger cartridges that can’t shoot them well because they’re scared of the recoil so they refuse to practice with them. I much prefer someone get a moderate cartridge that doesn’t hurt to shoot, so that they will practice with it and become proficient with it and know without a doubt that they can put the bullet where it matters every time they squeeze the trigger.

[@aaronpalmer7425]

Only reason people claim 308 is more accurate than a 30-06 not cause it is but because of the shooter being scared of its kick

[@millermanhal]

Wise words to live by. My fellow elder hunters only use 30-06 and laugh at me...but my father in law had a run away two years ago and my .350legend ar15 with good bullet and placement dropped a buck at 100yards where it stood. Made him a believer. Now we go practice shooting all year to make sure we know our guns quirks and limits. For a clean ethical kill. Nothing worse is to leave an animal wounded. Hunters are caring and ethical.

[@roddecker1900]

Found 338 w closet gun justlike u'r talking about. I load it to cover deer . have bigger stuff 2. Shot 3 groups of 2 shots each. Walk the 200yds out each shot ( exercise) i fired 6th shot by i figured out i wasn't missing 4 foot target 3 times darn thing WAS holeing all 6.??? Ya its a good one no couldn't do that again

[@MrRourk]

That is why we have 6.8 Western (270 on steroids) short action and will work with 20" barrel

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

I bought my 7mm/08 for 4 reasons. One it was lighter, two it was softer recoiling, three a removable magazine, four was synthetic so it can take the wear of use. this was over an old school remington 700. The magazine was a big one since unloading my 270 required me cycle the bolt and i didnt like the safety issues it might bring up.

[@timlott5778]

7mm-08 blows the creedmoor as well on hunting distances. Also light recoil.

[@joshclemons9975]

I own a creedmoor and a 7mm-08 and a 308 as far as killing a whitetail there's zero difference between them

[@Gokywildcats11]

What 7mm08 are you using

[@jtother1242]

My 7-08 has a shit ton of kick 😂

[@scubasteve3032]

Year before last I shot a nine point with a 6.5 Grendel 129 grain. You are correct, shot placement is everything.

[@Rickkari7]

I actually got two deer this past year with my AR Grendel using Hornady Black ELD-M target ammo. Mean stuff. Also downed a Coyote while deer hunting with the same.

[@AcM.5233]

I love my Grendel. It's an absolutely amazing little rifle for Florida

[@DT-ww4gv]

I just built a 20" grendel up just because I had a bunch of lowers to build out. Pretty nice shooter. Not sure if I'll ever hunt with it because this caliber is way low on what I have available to me caliber wise.

[@markthornhill519]

I've killed 18 deer so far with my Grendel, largest was a 9 point 180lb buck dropped in his tracks at 245 yards. 123grn Hornady

[@DT-ww4gv]

@@markthornhill519 what state do you hunt and can you get more than one deer tag a year? I live in Oregon and it's not impossible to be able to get two tags for deer in one year but it hardly ever happens.

[@eduardoolaechea]

Would be interesting if you also review the .264 Win Mag, which has been around since 1958 and performs the same as the 6.5 PRC; probably better when handloaded due to a larger case capacity.

[@MrRourk]

But you really need at least a 26" barrel with the 264 mag.

[@eduardoolaechea]

@@MrRourk Yes, like the model 70 pre 64 "Westerner"

[@MrRourk]

It's not the case size it is the case efficiency, twist rate, new powders, and tight champer. All stuff we learned in Afghanistan. For instance Military now uses 5.56 in a 70gr bullet with a 1:7 twist barrel. Also the new ogive designs allows the bullet to grab the grooves sooner. All thanks to Military Developments.

[@Jo-tw8kr]

. 270, .243, 6.5 cm, .300 win mag.... the list goes on. You know the absolute best round, all of them. Not one I have that I want to give up, and several I'd still like to acquire.

[@johntownley9885]

One of the many good things about the 6.5 Creedmore is that it fits the standard 308 size action both in bolt guns and in AR-10. I have had many one shot kills with my Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmore and only one buck that went less than 20 yards. My daughter has also taken several with the same gun and she has actually taken even more deer with the 6.5 Grendel. I will always use my 30-06 and 25-06 but I do enjoy and have had no issues taking whitetail deer with the 6.5 Creedmore. Also I like to shoot ALOT and the PRC and the Weatherby cost a lot more, especially in factory ammo. Thanks for the great video

[@douglaskurka5874]

No issue here using the 6.5 CM ! I have taken 4 one shot kills on deer the past several years using Hornady ELD-X 143 gr. The farthest one ran was maybe 40-50 yds . Ranges varied from 25-160 yds. Not my favorite cartridge, but does the job. My go to cartridges are still the old stand byes, (30-06, 308, and 270). Thanks for the info !!!

[@phild9813]

Yeah I agree, it’s worked well for us. It’s laughable that people are blaming lost deer on a cartridge, 6.5 creedmoor or otherwise. All cartridges are what they are, just cases to hold propellant. The bullets do the work. If these are guides, they should be quizzing their hunters on bullets they’re using and making them shoot paper before they hunt to confirm ability.

[@texpatriot8462]

@@phild9813the Hunter who cannot shoot a 6.5CM accurately is going to be less accurate with any of the "bigger" cartridges. The "extra " power of the 6.5+ rounds won't make it more likely the same Hunter gets a clean kill. Indeed, I the the Hunter will be less likely to kill the deer cleanly.

[@philsullivan1153]

I agree I've only used my 6.5 creedmoor once but one shot one deer works just as well as my 06 but way less recoil and weight to travel around the woods. Accuracy counts.

[@patrickparent5214]

Shot placement....

[@jimwalden7863]

My vote goes to my Browning A bolt chambered in 280 rem. Loaded with 140 grainers. I’m going to try some of those Remington core-lokt tipped bullets on a Wyoming antelope hunt in September. It’s hard to leave my 6.5CM Browning X bolt Predator Hunter home when it shoots sub minute groups at 350 yds. with 130 grain Swift Sciroccos. Aw heck, I’ll take ‘em both.

[@sethspiker]

Took my first deer with a Ruger 280 single shot at 360 yards with a 3x9 when I was 14… yes i spined her and had to put her down when we got to her, but my Dad thought I missed cuz we kept walking and looking back at the stand and my Dad said ,”no way you hit something this far, and started walking back to the truck. I found her 100 yrds later and had to yell at him to come see. Love that 280

[@ASIMPSON54]

Are those soft point bullets? If so I hated the soft points, always put the animal down, not necessarily immediately and they tended to waste a lot of meat. I switched to Hornady GMXs and they've been great. Some kind of hollow point or bonded bullet is my suggestion. Something designed to open up but not break apart. Just my two cents.

[@scottfrederick8299]

My Browning A-Bolt 280 would be my last gun that I'd ever get rid of. My reloads have accounted for a train load of game. 140 gr. Nosler Accubond at 2950 fps, never recovered a bullet from 50-419 yards.

[@robertsahli9998]

I have seen Elk drop with 6.5 creedmore and 243! You said it! Shot placement most important! You can drop a deer with 22 if place shot right.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

I'm excited to gain insights into these options that might just become my next favorites for hunting.

[@MrRourk]

6.8 Western if we could get more ammo makers on board. Short action and works well with 20" barrel

[@BikerDash]

My biggest beef with the 6.5CM is how so many think it will automatically turn on God Mode for them and even make them a sandwich while they're waiting for the deer to magically go in their freezer. I keep seeing videos and reading articles about how it's so much superior to every other round ever created, or will be created in the near or distant future. Personally, I love my .308 Winchester rifle. It will consistently place 5 rounds of 150gr Core-Lokt seeds into a half inch group at 100 yards, as long as I'm on top of my game. Ammo availability makes for a lot more practice time for me. On the subject of the 6.5CM and so many lost deer, you never seem to hear about everyone losing deer to the 6.5x55, even when they use the old n' slow roundnose loads. Same with so many other rounds. You said it yourself; the 6.5CM is a fad cartridge. And I'm willing to bet boxes of Remington ammo stacked *THIS HIGH* that 99.9% of those jumping on the fad-wagon never practice with their rifles, which would lead to Stormtrooper levels of sloppy shooting. If you were to show up with a 6.5CM, none of those guides would worry one bit, because they know you have practiced extensively with your rifle, and that you will place your shot with 100% accuracy to harvest the animal clean and quick.

[@ASIMPSON54]

Agree most of these shooters are probably not practicing with their Creeds. I've hunted with the 6.5 cm for the last 5 or 6 years and I've loved it. It's the do everything pretty well rifle. I've used 243, 7mag and the 6.5 CM and will continue to go CM for deer. Now if I go for elk or bigger game then I'm probably going 7mag. It's a great round if you understand its capabilities.

[@redneckninja2539]

I bought 6.5 creedmoor because of damaged shoulder. Discovered I could shoot a lot more without shoulder pain so I spent more time practicing. 22 deer killed and 1 lost. People try to tell me I lost a deer because it was 6.5. Yet they will let slip they have lost deer shooting 7mm mag, 308 and even 300 win mag. Placement is crucial. More practice lets me shoot better and test my equipment. Just added a 7mm-08 in the ruger as well. Muzzle brake makes it comfortable to shoot a lot and practice as well. Don't feel under gunned with either one.

[@tombeyer375]

PRACTICE is key to all of these comparisons. That, and ones comfort level with recoil. Shot placement = clean kill + satisfaction!! Peace out

[@daveyboy6985]

I think what ever calibre you choose out of any so called deer cartridges, learn there strengths and weaknesses, and hunt with them accordingly.

[@getoffmylawn8986]

Well, I have a 6.5 Creedmoor...love it for accuracy but I've never hunted with it (which I'm glad about, because I wear my hair like you do and a man bun is a long ways off!) But you nailed the important part--it's a lot more a matter of where you put the bullet than what bullet you put there. Keep 'em coming, WTW!

[@markwheeler202]

The late great Jack O'Connor sold me on the .270 Win 50 years ago. I've had my Remington Model 700 since 1974 (hoping some day to do some elk hunting - never happened). I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between the .25-06 and the 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@timclaus8313]

Those 270 loadings are impressive for a very old cartridge.

[@Tradhunter]

I have taken a few deer with 6.5 Grendel with Hornady SST. No issues deer didn’t know what happened all dropped. Out of a Howa bolt action. SST rounds work very well.

[@randygerhart5076]

I also use a 6.5 Grendel for Whitetail in an AR with a 20” Barrel. Got 2 so far. I use an AR ever since my stroke and losing the use of my right arm and hand. One dropped in its tracks, and the 2nd one only went 35 yards then piled up. Both were over 100 yards away.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

6.5 PRC interests me but I don’t shoot anymore due to health issues. Partial paralysis sucks mostly because my body doesn’t regulate temperature anymore. Hot or cold and things don’t work well. That said, 243 Win and 270 Win , while definitely Fudd cartridges, kept me entertained for years. My favorite though was a 168 gr 30-06. In my old Savage rifle, it was a very very sweet shooter!

[@user-ko4pe9yd4e]

Praying that you get the opportunity to get out there again.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

@@user-ko4pe9yd4e thanks! Very kind of you!

[@boomerrangerron]

Great job and well done review! Hey I’m old and have killed deer with my 30’06 in all three bullet weights (150,165 & 180)! My son has made several one shot kills with his .270 that Jack O’Conner made it the Rock Star cartridge for all Baby Boomers. Heck I’ve killed deer with both my .270 & .300 Weatherby so I really don’t need any 6.5’s. And I can hand load any of these cartridges up or down in terms of velocity and recoil reduction if I choose. I think the 7mm:08 should be the deer killer of choice but sadly I don’t own one.

[@joshualong7368]

I agree shot placement is key. My favorite go to caliber is 7mm-08 as several have mentioned already. We shoot deer and hogs and it just hammers them with 140 grain Winchester ballistic silvertip. All my kids and numerous kids in our community have taken their first deer with my rifle. I did not jump on the 6.5cm because the ballistics were so similar to 7mm-08. I held out for the 6.5 prc and have taken several deer with it and love it. Thanks for the review. God bless, Joshua.

[@kevinstokes5214]

I love my 6.5x55.

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

So the guide can’t find deer shot with the 6.5cm but people in Europe have been killing moose with the 6.5x55 and they both have the same weight bullets running the same speed. Must be some big whitetail deer where he’s at. 🤷🏽‍♂️. Obviously I like the cm and if you are not killing whitetail with that you are not hitting em in the right spot with a good bullet. Compare that to the 50 grain 22-250 that you’re using. The cm is a way better choice than the 22-250. At least in my experience and yes I’ve used both. Use what you like they all work. I like them all. Happy hunting 🦌

[@Tom-xp7dl]

308 and 30-06 have always got the job done. I still have not found a reason for the 6.5 creedmoor. What I have noticed id guys LOVE to say creedmoor like as if its Gods gift to the rifle community.

[@henrywal]

308 is my do all. Distance and options

[@CiviTac]

I like my 6.5 for long distance steel shooting. It’s way better for the money and recoil than any other long range target round I’ve used. Not that there’s not other stuff out there but it’s super easy to use and I can have it in a lightweight rifle which is really nice

[@matthewgrice6902]

Grew up hunting farmland in northern Michigan. One buck tag and however many farm doe permits my grandfather had left when we made it up there. If I was on the open fields I went with the .300 win mag. Always one shot and the only time I had to go very far from where it was shot was because the deer fell toward the downside of the trail and rolled to the bottom of the ravine. My dad found a .264 win mag at a pawn shop. Part of a three gun set of Winchester model 70's (looked like from one owner). Wish he had bought the other two, but water under the bridge. Lower Michigan you could not hunt with centerfire at that time, so my go to was a Winchester 1300 with rifled barrel. Open sights out of the box shot a 3 shot group under 1 1/2". But my eyesight was better back then. I also had more time to go to the range back then. Shot placement is definitely the key. Everyone we had to help track their deer didn't practice and took shots they were ill equiped to make. Don't take a shot you have not practiced! Thanks for these videos Who Tee Who. Congrats on your results in the Rockchuck competition. Are we going to see more videos using Canick pistols?

[@WHOTEEWHO]

More canik very soon

[@adamfranks4118]

My Remington 7600 270 is zeroed at 200 yards, and I have the 7600 chambered in 30.06 zeroed at 100 yards. I carry my 270 when hunting in open country where a longer shot may be a viable scenario to take a critter.

[@JohnAngle-vw8yq]

6.5CM with a good hunting projectile is maybe the perfect whitetail cartridge. Boobs taking target rounds hunting is the biggest problem I have dealt with. Good bullet in a good spot is critical with any caliber.

[@marcmoore4115]

I agree that one should use hunting bullets for hunting - but Ultimate Reloader as well as BackfireTV have both got great videos showing that the Hornady ELD-M is actually a very good bullet. I have also used it for hunting and took over 15 Gemsbok with it in my .308, ranging from 50m out to 300m. About as many Warthogs as well. No issues. But I would still not recommend it, since hunting bullets have a Guaranteed performance, since they are specifically designed to expand in specific way and retain a specific amount of weight. Match bullets don't have that.. they do expand and retain weight like any other cup and core bullet would, but there is no guarantee for how much or how little.

[@daveknowles3055]

I was one of those 6.5 CM haters then I was lucky enough to win a PRS style rifle chambered in 6.5 CM. It's too heavy to hunt with but at the range it is incredibly fun to shoot. We have a big old 3/4 size steel buffalo at a 1 kilometre (1093 yards) at the local range. Pretty nice to ping a few rounds of that piece of steel. Groups at 100 and 200 are extraordinary. Don't think I would hunt with the 6.5 CM but for training and practice it is hard to beat.

[@edwardh1591]

With a 22” barrel the 6.5 creedmoor is terminal out to 200 yards with a 140 grain class bullet like the 143 eldx. Great for in the woods and short range. My range that I shoot on average is 400 yards. I use the 6.5 prc. At 400 yards it kills deer dead in its tracks. Velocity wise the 143 eldx out of 6.5 creedmoor in 22” barrel is 2530. Where the 6.5 prc out of a 26” barrel is average 2990 fps with the 143 eldx. I load my own ammunition and chrono my loads. Generally the velocity the factory gives is way off. You need to chrono the loads your shooting.

[@robertneal4112]

I’ve had mixed results when hunting with 6.5 Creedmoor. I had a few flop over, lay there for 1-2 minutes then get up and run off. Vital shots are where I’ve had trouble. High shoulder/spine drops them in their tracks. I’ve used ELD-X, Hornady white tail hunter and Federal Trophy. I’ve since gone back to 30-06 mostly and haven’t had to do any tracking. This year I’m trying 6.5 prc and 300 WSM. My perspective is that 6.5 Creedmoor can get the job done, but other rounds are make deer more deader.

[@joshuarogers9086]

270 win is all ya need

[@jmgates09]

Maybe if you add wsm to the end of it

[@hoffpbass]

More power and at worst, only 2/10th of an inch off 6.5cm at 200 to 300 yards. The velocity overcomes the 6.5cm boat tail drag advantage at any normal hunting distance.

[@DT-ww4gv]

If you already have a 270 I agree. 6.5 is super pointless.. I like the fact you can stretch a 270 out for Antelope or use it for Elk. Really if you have anything already in that range, 6.5 is just not needed. I love my .270 remington 700. It's plenty capable of taking medium game at 400-500 yards and elk at 350 yards and in. I hardly ever use my .270 because I hunt short ranges.

[@Tradhunter]

270 is pretty is good.

[@whiskerbiscuit99]

"Muh two-sebenty"....

[@danblumel]

I have 2 x 30-06 rifles, a 270 Win and a 6.5 PRC. Looking to get into target shooting much more than in the past using the PRC. Prior was pretty much just a hunting shooter. I might sell the 270 if i like the PRC enough. The 2 x 30-06's are more than sufficient for anything elae i might want to do.

[@dankoziol2434]

Adam, I’m in the exact same scenario as you. I have a 6.5 and put up about the same groups so it seems appealing to bring deer hunting but I just don’t. Exact same feeling that you have I guess. I just keeping bringing my traditional deer cartridges in my favorite rifles. It makes me wonder why I keep the 6.5….. But it’s fun to shoot at the range :)

[@drdes9609]

When you look at the 6.5-06 it’s very comparable to the 6.5 prc. Honestly when you look at 30-06 derivatives there amazing. I agree though shot placement is king.

[@nikos6220]

Today with cans on rifles I want a 20’ barrel not to carry around a musket. Terminal ballistics of 6.5 CM out of a shorter barrel are just not something I am comfortable with for use on larger game

[@Chris-liwymi]

The problem is not the Creedmoor the problem is the shooter when something is very popular and people are first getting into it that is what they gravitate towards so a lot of inexperienced people are going out using it thinking it’s a laser beam not really knowing what to do causing a lot of problems personally I don’t own a Creedmoor but I would also say there’s nothing wrong with the cartridge itself

[@michaeldavis8065]

I picked it as my first bolt action due to its popularity because it meant the ammo would be easier to find and I wanted to be able to practice with it since I’m a new shooter. It’s been a solid choice so far, though I haven’t been hunting with it yet. Plenty more practice before that, I don’t want to be one of those guys losing deer because I’m not good enough with my rifle.

[@Chris-liwymi]

@@michaeldavis8065 awesome well I hope you get the chance to go hunting and you have the right mindset I have been shooting for quite a few years and I just started hunting this year I’ve been out a few times but only found thousands of mosquitoes no animals yet lol. (I live in Florida) the creedmoor is a good rifle, I hope yours shoots well

[@millermanhal]

Agree. Novice shooters not knowing their rifle and limits,not practicing enough to deliver a boo lot to where it needs to be.

[@TheHOOfan1]

Yeah, when he said the guides hated it, made me think the guides don't actually think much about what the problem is. I bet if the .30-06 was the hotness and they were taking out a bunch of inexperienced shooters carrying .30-06 rifles, they would say the same thing. It's a pretty common theme in hunting magazines etc. Someone goes into a deer camp with a new cartridge and they guys there tell them that anything less than a 300 Win Mag isn't enough for deer hunting. I also wonder if these supposed guides are just not that good at tracking. Have they ever tracked a deer shot with bow and arrow? The 6.5 Swede has been used for decades to kill moose, the 6.5 Creed is it's ballistic twin. Put a hole in a deer's lung and you should be able to track it.

[@Chris-liwymi]

@@TheHOOfan1 exactly

[@mogulrider]

My Creedmoor is half the recoil and drops them hard at a 1/3 of the price of the others. It's the bullets. Hornady rounds shatter. We've lost 2 deer. As soon as we went lead soft point. No problem. Thks WTW

[@rayjames7156]

7mm 08 definitely is better

[@stoli-9574]

I feel I would really like to add a 7mm08 to my collection

[@dankoziol2434]

It’s an awesome caliber for deer. Especially if you hunt a nice mix of woods and edges/fields/swamps and if you are interested in keeping recoil comfortable.

[@rayjames7156]

@@stoli-9574 would definitely recommend one it’s by far my favorite cartridge for deer and elk (within proper range) I’ve had my Remington 788 in 7mm 008 for 10 years and my dad had it since the late 80s and the ole killer still gives us groups the size of my thumb

[@stephendezz2567]

I’ve used a 6.5 creedmoor to shoot 5 deer and 4 bears now with a 143gr eldx at ranges from 40-325yds Every animal has either dropped in its tracks or not made it over 25 yds. Most were full pass throughs except for a couple hard quartering shots. I even got a full pass through on a large mule deer buck through both shoulder bones at 200yds. Dropped in its tracks. Not sure why everybody has so many problems with it

[@garyh1449]

I'm guessing bullet selection.

[@redneckninja2539]

I've noticed lot of people getting 6.5 , hear how it's easy to shoot to distance, but never practice at distance. Have talked to people who have said they'd never shoot their 270 or 308 at 300 yards at deer but immediately start shooting at deer with a 6.5 for some reason at 300-400. Lots will admit they never have practiced beyond 100, and that's just to confirm their rifle is still on from last year.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Great information Adam. I'm not a fan of the 6.5 CM. I had one bad experience with it. I have a true Boogie boo lot slinger in a 26 Nosler. Then there's the 6.5 x,55 Swedish Mauser and the 6.5 Grendel . I think I have the 6.5 's covered lol

[@marcmoore4115]

If you're using 6.5 Grendel and 6.5x55 Swede without issue - then I'll be honest, it sounds like you made a mistake and not the name on the cartridge being the issue... A friend of mine took an 1800lbs+ Eland Bull with his 6.5 Creed earlier this year and it took a couple steps before stumbling and falling over - juat what one would expect a .300 Win Mag to do...

[@cheryltysver4819]

Adam... Been dealing with a number of serious health problems on this end for a while and just wanted to congratulate you on your well deserved awards (again)... Two things... First the time you're putting into these videos is amazing and how you are able to respond to the comments with your viewer numbers is hard to believe! Just one of the things that I noticed in this video involving the charts is the drop trajectory! Across the board where shots ranged beyond 600 yards to 700 yards... the drop in that 100 yard interval was quite close to the difference in the drop between the sight in distance of 100 yards and the drop at 500 yards! Something for your viewers to think about when shooting at long range. Not to mention the issues of wind drift. It's not unlike watching the tracking feature in professional golfing when teeing off! The second thing that I mentioned in a previous text with regard to having or getting some FMJ'S for reloading the .50 BMG and a host of other calibers to use if you are reloading your Barrett or your Sako .500 Jeffrey...is that my source for them (Huntington's) is no longer in business and worse still is the fact that the Australian company that made these excellent full metal jacketed bullets burned to the ground not long ago (Woodleigh) and the last news that I had was that there was not enough left for them to recover from it! I do have a small supply of them left and don't know where the other manufacturers of dangerous game ammo are getting their fmj's in the calibers beyond .458. I would still be glad to help in any way that I can and have done extensive research and testing with a lot of the bigger stuff but have done all that and am currently working on the .416 Remington and below given it's current energy ceiling of ~ 6,000 - 6,500 ft. lbs., which is about my limit now without a muzzle brake... which I am not a fan of! Thanks for all you do and keep me advised and your powder dry! Also, sorry for the length of this...

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thank for thr comment. Always appreciate you watching

[@williamgunn1076]

I always used a 270 for deer, and Daddy used his 30-06. He switched to a 243 years ago and it's plenty to take a deer. I wanted a shorter action lighter recoil for deer hunting and was going to get a 243 until the 6.5 Creedmoor came out. I though cool. I can use this for everything I'd hunt including elk out to what I consider ethical hunting distances with the right bullet. Copper bullets are the way to go. You can take an elk with a bow. The key is shot placement and through and through to drop their blood pressure quickly. A copper bullet in a 6.5 will easily do that. Anyway, people hate change. No wonder the Creedmoor gets no love. Anyway, there are a lot of hunters who lose deer because they are not skilled at stalking and shooting. :)

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Hate change? I worked in the largest gun store in 2018, I averaged selling three 6..5 creedmore a day! People couldn't get enough of them

[@Airon79]

Ha ha , I've got rounds in 6.5cm but no gun yet !

[@nowherespecial6780]

Shot placement is king. Train yourself up on those bing bangs. Then it's just more tools in the tool cabinet. But if you dig into it entirely 243, and 6.5 creedmore have, the same ballistics almost identical out to 800... That's when you ask yourself is your shot ethical. It can do it but is it. Dang, you have me excited for deer season. And you have been making some great stuff.!!!!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🦌🦌🦌 appreciate you watching!

[@nowherespecial6780]

@@WHOTEEWHO Keep that good stuff pump in my friend. There has to be more out there that feel the way we do.

[@danielbutcher5836]

Would love to see this comparison with the .270 in Hornady Superformance

[@piwa1909]

Hello, sorry if my English sounds a bit strange, I only speak German and Italian, but there is a Google translator! I've been following your channel for years. You make very good videos! Only with this video I'm not completely satisfied! I have a ruger american predator in 6.5 creedmoor and two Voere in 6.5x68 that I mainly hunt with. Let's get to 6.5 creedmoor. It is basically nothing more than the American version of the 6.5x55 or 6.5x57. Both calibers are successfully used in Europe for roe deer and elk hunting, especially in Sweden! Only the 6.5 Creedmoor is stronger. Usually the error is behind the rifle and not on the rifle or the caliber!

[@johnlayne-sr9mw]

I prefer 30.6 overall of them but if push comes to shove I would take

[@johnlayne-sr9mw]

270 dude

[@Hunter_300winMag]

Ive taken most of my deer with a 8mm mauser, 30-06, 30-30, 270 and of course my baby, my 300 win mag. The 6.5 creedmoor is a very well balanced deer caliber. Looking forward to trying it out this year.

[@ASIMPSON54]

You nailed it when saying, " ...a very well balanced deer caliber."

[@WilliamKister]

The 6.5 Creedmoor was designed to replicate the performance of the .260 Remington and the good old 6.5x55 Swede while at the same time being able to be loaded in an AR-10 magazine with 140 grain High BC bullets. It does that very well. As far as performance, there have been cartridges that can out perform it for years. The 6.5x284 was the 6.5 PRC before it was.

[@marcmoore4115]

I mean, really the 6.5 Creedmoor was just an experiment by some guys at Hornady, necking up and down their .30 Thompson Center to see what works, until guys in competition realised how good the "6.5-30 TC" really is. They weren't really thinking about the .260 Remington - there's a very good podcast by Hornady about the creation of the Creedmoor. It's a shame the .284 Win case isn't more popular - the .284 Win Improved (.284 Shehane) was just about the most popular cartridge in top tier 1000yds F-Class until they started necking up the 6.5 PRC to make the 7 PRCW. I atill think the .284 Win is one of the most balanced cartridges in terms of power, recoil and Long Range performance.

[@Red-vn4xq]

The Remington 260 is best of them all in performance and accuracy. It's just not as popular because of established standard Calibers like 243

[@gk5891]

​​​​@@Red-vn4xq The .260 Remington is a fine hunting round. The 6.5-08 (Wildcat predecessor of .260 Remington) had a few issues as a long range target round. The 6.5 CM was a more tailored round optimized for that use. Unfortunately the .260 Rem will likely get superceded by the 6.5 CM as a hunting round in much the same way the 6mm Remington lost out to the .243 Winchester despite being a better medium game round.

[@peterhert9350]

​@@marcmoore4115 There would be no 6,5 Cm (6,5x48) , if at the time wasn't already a 6,5x47 Lapua on the market. Copy and paste.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@peterhert9350 I get what you mean, but also the 6.5 Creed came from the .30 TC. I wouldn't be too sure of the x47 Lap having much influence on the Creed being developed.

[@Kevin-qy4du]

I bought a 6.5CM specifically to hunt northern white tails with. I rolled with 30.06 for a lot of years and didn't like the meat damage with 150-180 loads. (I wish 200gr loads were redily available) used a .243 for a while and never lost a deer, but felt that it really didn't put them down with the authority they deserved. I loved the lack of recoil though and wanted something close but stronger. I came close to buying a 7mm-08 and think it's a good cartridge, but couldn't justify it at the time. Now that I've taken a couple of large bucks @ 150 yds, I think my choice was right. They didn't "drop", but didn't go far with fully penetrating double lung shots with 130gr copper solids. Out to 250 yds, I think that 6.5CM is about the perfect compromise of hitting power, recoil, and carcass preservation.

[@Pledgeman]

There isn’t a current cartridge on the shelf that can’t perform the same as these new cartridges. Everyone is just reinventing the wheel. Nice see new inventions but sometimes you just have to stick with what you’ve got!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I disagree when it comes to 7mm prc 😝

[@trwsandford]

I'll always be more impressed with someone that has drop kills than someone that has the newest thing. My Grandfather was an avid hunter with a 30-06 WW1 Springfield. (Mauser bolt action for those not aware). My mother grew up eating venison, he didn't brag about his groupings at a range. Not sure he spent anytime at a gun range after WW1 to be fair, he was just feeding his kids, and later his grandkids. He spent more time gardening and fishing than he did hunting, but even in the 1980's there was always plenty of meat in the freezer at Grandpa's house.

[@MountainSurvival]

6.5x284 is a really fun cartridge. i have one in a model 70 Winchester. awesome gun. ballistically similar to 6.prc. awesome video brother. cheers from kentucky

[@unbalancedredneck5778]

I honestly think the 6.5cm is a fine cartridge for deer. I believe there are two major things that give it a bad rap. The first being bullet choice. I would guess that many of the lost deer where simply shot with target bullets. The second reason is the darn 6.5 cm fan boys. I’ve seen more young guys at the range with the Ruger American rifle in a Boyd’s stock topped off with a Vortex crossfire scope than I can count. Not that that’s a bad setup but dang.

[@ralphhunt5225]

I think one of the better positive’s regarding the Creedmoor is it’s lack of recoil, a shooter is more likely to spend time practicing when he/she isn’t getting the crap pounded out of them and that should transfer over to being better at shot placement, both the PRC, and the Weatherby have more recoil, especially the Weatherby and that would definitely scare away some shooters. I’m always a 270 fan, and I would definitely say that it’s my go to caliber for hunting in my neck of the woods. You missed another 6.5 ish in your evaluation, the 26 Nosler , it’s ballistics fall somewhere in between the PRCs and the Weatherby I think and it’s definitely got more felt recoil then the Creedmoor.

[@jakehenry-c9q]

Hey folks, i used to have a 6.5x55 Swedish mauser m38, it was my go to rifle, up until we parted ways, an absolute beauty of a cartridge, but bills have to be paid, so, away it went, nowadays I'm shooting a 44 mag lever action, open sights, I'm not going to be shooting at a deer no 500 yds., and where i live , lots of bush, so, my 44 does the trick, I've had 270 caliber also, but i keep coming back to 44 mag ,I'm not a long distance shooter, the closer ,the better, keep up the great work man, shakyjake out.

[@fredhauge444]

Have taken over 100 red deer and 5 moose’s with 6.5.x55 excellent cartridges the people have lost deer with a 6.5 = bad shots

[@elizabethnybeck9935]

The sweed is all you need

[@jeffyoung632]

I absolutely agree. I've lost 2 good 8 pointers. Both were using Federal Terminal Ascent in my 6.5 Creedmoor. I've also dropped bucks in their tracks using Barnes LRX ammo. That's why I want you to do a 6.5 Creedmoor test using Winchester Ballistic Silvertip 140 grain. I hunted with a 7mm Mag for 30 years. I just don't care for the recoil anymore. I'm actually thinking of buying a 7mm-08. Just to see how it performs on whitetails. Great videos!

[@dylankorpi137]

IMO the 7mm-08 is a great caliber for deer. i use 7mm rem mag now just because im very young and dumb and dont mind the recoil. i used the 7mm-08 for a little bit and loved it. it was a weatherby vanguard compact rifle. if i didnt need money at the time i never would have sold it.

[@GOBBLINintheSIP]

Just bought a Ruger Hawkeye m77 in 7mm-08 compact for saddle hunting and it’s fantastic. Shooting a Barnes 120g TTSX. I like the compactness of it. Already taken 2 deer with it. One dropped and the other one I watched fall.

[@johnstruewing1164]

@@jeffyoung632 You have to remember that all of the long distance ammunition is manufactured to have thinner jackets or to perform perfectly at long distances. At woods distances of under 100 yds, these bullets will possibly under perform. They will not expand as you want. If you are hunting in the eastern woods, leave the long range ammunition on the shelf. Try some regular Barnes TTSX. You must be very careful with Berger ammunition. It’s easy to confuse there target ammo from the hunting ammo. Then the Berger bullets were originally designed to expend fully inside the deer. The bullets explode. No pass through, no blood trail. They may have changed some what, but I’ll never buy any Berger ammo. Barnes, Nosler and Hornady. I know you didn’t mention Berger ammo, but the bullet is being loaded in Federal ammo.

[@jeffyoung632]

@@johnstruewing1164 Thanks for the advice. Yes I hunt in the eastern U.S. And I only take my 6.5 Creedmoor if I'm hunting in open fields. I can have shots from 20 yards to 347 yards. If I'm hunting in the woods, I'll normally take my Henry 30-30. Where I'll have shots from 5 yards to 40 yards.

[@Lifeinthecountryfamilyislife]

I agree with most of what your saying. I feel like the 6.5cm is a little light for deer. My son hunts deer with one but he was only 8 last year he did go 3 for 3 with it luckily. I want to move him on up to the 308 but feel like hes a touch small yet so we will probably continue with the cm this season. However... My predator hunting rifle is a 6.5cm in a ar-10 configuration. It works wonders on coyotes and is flatter shooting than the 308s. We commonly take 300yd shots with ease with thermals at night. My hunting buddy uses a ar10 243 and I'm here to tell ya that thing is a laser beam and kinda wish Id went with that caliber. But if yall remember 243 ammo was incredibly hard to find a year ago so I settled. Id like to see a video comparing all short action ar style chamberings vs each other. Ya know like 6.5 grendal vs 6.5cm vs 223 vs 350 legend vs 308 ect. We all know bolt guns in long action are going to mop the floor with these ar cartridges. Thanks for all your hard work you do in these vids for us!

[@deltabravo1811]

Up here in the PNW, I've had my eye on an M77 22-250 mannlicher carbine. Short, light, fast, but gotta have .24 caliber minimum for deer, sadly. 6.5 cm is not a hunting round. It answers questions hunters never asked. Thanks WTH!

[@darreldwalton8763]

Having the luxury of a few decades of time and experience, let me add a bit of perspective. Not much, if anything, that the Creed will do, that the .260 Remington won't do with the same parent case, and a couple of REAL old Mossbacks that the Europeans introduced, the 6.5x55 Swede and 6.5x57 Mauser, as well as the Mannlicher-Schonauer, and others that have all proven deadly on a lot more game, and on more continents. Now, to the other two rounds... I'll just say 6.5-06, and .264 Winchester Mag. Check the load data, and pay attention to barrel length! The original .264s had 26" tunes, not 24 and certainly not 22 like some data I've seen. So at 70 years old, what do I reach for? Used to be .308. The. 308 and 270. But the last 35 years or so, I started packing a nice little .257 Roberts on a VZ33 Mauser, 24 inch lightweight and a slim little piece of English walnut, and shoot anything I want to carry with a 120 gr Hornady HP.

[@LogosMediaII]

My son took his first mule deer buck with a Mossberg Patriot in 6.5CM. It hit the deck - hard. It was a Sig loading with hollow point bullet. On field dress inspection the heart and lungs were entirely exploded and several ribs ripped from the spine. Before that moment I had always doubted the 6.5CM capability as a solid deer cartridge. No more. Are their better cartridges? Sure. But for a deer specific cartridge it's about perfect. At the time he was about 13-14 and I got him the rifle in 6.5CM for its low recoil, and with a brake it's down to 8-9lbs. I didn't want to chase a buck for hours through the chaparral. Now I own two Ruger Americans in 6.5CM - the predator and ranch. For the big boys 7mm Rem Mag or 7mm PRC.

[@triplej4043]

270 is my favorite deer catcher. 🔫 🎉 🦌

[@chriscosby2459]

My next long range rifle will probably be the 280 AI. Great 7mm bullet selection and easy to fireform from .270 Win, 280 Rem, and 30-06 once fired brass. Great video as always.

[@Accuracy1st]

My fav is 270, but I have a LOT of very close 2nd favs

[@philsullivan1153]

I've killed many whitetail's with my .06 Weatherby and my .35 Marlin over the past 45 years. I recently went to 6.5 Creedmoor and the reduction in recoil and weight of the rifle are super easy to shoot accurate and cart around the woods for this old body. Last year was my first deer with my new Christensen Arms 6,5 Creedmoor. He ran 35 yds . To each his own but I bought a Sako 85 Finnlight II in 6.5 creedmoor this year to try out. I have 4 grandsons to leave guns with and i may try the 6.5 PRC as my gun next year. I think these will be great youth guns and old timer guns to hunt with. Accuracy counts more than anything else.

[@kareldebures7006]

Hi there everyone!

[@thomaswall4285]

Oh I forgot from all the questions I have in my head regarding the 65 creed. Wishing you all the best and thank you for your videos they help me a bunch, :)

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@nikos6220]

For me the 6.5 CM is the .380 ACP of the (ethical)hunting rifle world. Unless your physique really doesn’t allow you to shoot something more powerful, get a 3000 ft-lb cartridge like the 30-06. And if somebody flinches on a 30-06, that’s not genetics, just work it off.

[@stanleysanders9099]

don't need that much for deer

[@nikos6220]

@@stanleysanders9099 with a really good bullet and good shot placement a 222 Remington is enough. But life isn’t perfect, and ethical hunting means to kill as quickly as possible. So you should pick the most effective bullet cartridge rifle combo you can shoot competently.

[@josephmedeiros5770]

I just bought a 6.5cm in a Tikka t3x lite. I purchased it for longer range shots, but as a gun for smaller and first time Shooters. I have .270, 7mm wthby mag and 300 win mag for bigger game. I selected it for easy of finding ammo and lighter recoil to introducing new Shooters to bolt-action rifles. Say what you will the 6.5x55 swede has been taking large game for 100 years and no one complains about it. The Creedmoor was created to mimic it ballisticly, and they are identical. Saying too much. Long story short, 6 5cm is popular for a reason.

[@LifeisGood-ye8rl]

6.5 creed is still best. It shoots with mild recoil, shoot modern BC bullet, perfect mid size game cartridge, acceptable barrel life. Affordable components, large database of hand loading information, second to 308. Large available rifle selection. If you must shoot mfg ammo you have good selection as well and not too expensive. What is there to hate on?

[@gtfd503]

My finding was if you want a blood trail with whitetail deer, the best round I have found so far is the Winchester Deer Season XP, at least in short range hunting distances. Last season we harvested a deer with a Federal round and the Swift Scirocco with an entrance thru the ribs and exit thru the front shoulder that did not leave a drop of blood in the fresh snow. The deer went about 75 yards and was recovered quickly due to the fresh snow and the broken front shoulder. Took a second deer with the Winchester Deer Season XP with entry thru the ribs and exit thru the front shoulder, deer went about 75 yards and left a paint trail to follow. Both deer were about 60 yards away when shot was taken.

[@TXLorenzo]

If you want a blood trail, get a 45-70.

[@danmuffley6418]

Blessed to have hunted with Many calibers for over 40 years. The 6.5 is a phenomenally accurate round, I've shot 4 Pennsylvania medium size Whitetails all at roughly 200 yards or slightly less with just behind the shoulder hits with 3 different premium loads , YES THEY DIED , YES I WENT BACK TO OLD FAITHFUL the 270 Winchester with 130 gr Ballistic Tips

[@Northwoods208]

ALL the other cartridges are better than 6.5 CM. The issue isnt with the round itself, its the negative ballistic effects that the man-bun causes 😂

[@johnx9318]

well said. The world needs more morons.

[@nowherespecial6780]

Dang boy you are busy... All this dear hunting stuff and Bang bang stuff.. You're getting me all hot and worked up for deer season.. If your family's anything like mine we plan on filling the freezer. Here in Maine, it Kix off. At the The last week of october. For our youth. And november It is big boy time to play. Man, you have me excited.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🦌🦌🦌 2 freezers still full from last year 😆

[@Aaron-mn8gw]

It's not hard to beat the 6.5 cm but it is hard to beat it in all categories.

[@tylerproulx966]

I’m A young Buck 39 years old I’ve tried some of the new calibers yeah there cool and the new hip thing but nothing like taking one out with a good ol caliber that’s proven I personally take a 3006 or 12 gauge slug in nh there’s not many places you can shoot past maybe 150 yards if your lucky but shot placement and practice is a must

[@davhuf3496]

Only 3? 😂

[@WHOTEEWHO]

😆😆😆

[@jimjim6803]

Good one

[@newenglandrider3189]

Is there such a thing?!?! Kidding, great video as usual! Always informative.

[@hamishbarker4117]

Hi, Who Tee I like your idea of doing things a bit different than everyone else. I feel the same way love using the old school calibers, I love 270 Winchester, 6.5x55 Swede and 7x57 Mauser. I have just found a 250-3000 that is, I think a very cool caliber and not very common here I New Zealand. Thanks for another great video. Hamish

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@jaredreyes2811]

So I can honestly say that I hunt with a 6.5CM and I lost the biggest deer in my life last year. . I shot a 130gr Precision Hunter ammo. By reading the reviews everyone was using the same ammo that lost a deer. This year, I switched over to the old school Remington CL 130 grain. I’m really hoping for a good outcome bc my Nosler 21 was about 3k.

[@stevendonnalammar4422]

I have a 6.5 CM but haven't hunted with it. I hunt in the Southeastern United States, the forest around here is very thick and dance, 100 yards is a pretty long shot here. I have found that a fat slow-moving bullet seems to kill them better than a fast thin one does, my 30-06 inside of 100 yards was causing too much damage, I swithced to a 350 Legend and it works amazing.

[@mrmatt7210]

I enjoyed your video, and appreciate the work you invested in gathering the data shared. Are there any benefits to the 6.5 Creedmoor over the .270 Win? Maybe so, lets see. Recoil is the biggest difference i noticed (in my rifles). Running the numbers on my two rifles, my .270 would have 18 ft/lbs of recoil where as my 6.5cm has 13 ft/lbs. Numbers dont mean much for some people, but what this means is a 140gr .270 kicks very similar to a 150gr 30-06 but a 6.5 creedmoor has a recoil similar to a 30-30 (opinion). As a reloader, i appreciate the fact the 6.5 cm is a efficient cartridge which uses less powder than a .270 Win. Depending on your loading, the 6.5 cm may use 25-35% less powder than a .270win. When purchasing powder by the lb, being able to shoot more with the 6.5cm is a benefit. The high BC offered in the long skinny bullets of the 6.5 along with a barrel twist of 1:8 does a good job in stabilizing the 6.5 over long distances. In comparison, there are generations of .270 Wins which are limited to a 1:10 barrel twist due to the bullet designs of the day. Long skinny high BC bullets were not the fad when the .270win was first designed and such a bullet wouldnt stabilize well in a 1:10 barrel twist. What this means for for the 6.5cm is the potential for a more accurate bullet which is less affected by wind drift. Running the numbers, the wind dont affect the 270 noticably more than it does the 6.5cm, but if your comparing numbers, the 6.5 wins this comparison. For what its worth, if less powder, less recoil, superior barrel life and better wind deflection in a short-action cartridge is important to you, the 6.5 cm may be a good choice for you. In my case, i prefer a short-action rifle as it can can be slightly shorter in length, lighter, and more comfortable to pack should you need to carry it for hours on end.

[@kennethbyler1619]

Shot placement is key, but my suspicion is that the speed of the Creedmoor in the common loads is a little slow because of sectional density, and especially for the copper bullets. I plan to take it antelope hunting in October and am going to be running 109 gr copper boolots hand loads around 3300 ft per second. I am expecting little tracking with that type of hypershock.

[@Sandz_]

I love your videos. Thanks for another great one. You made me think a lot about these cartridges and their comparisons - thanks for that. I think where we disagree on this topic is the comparisons you made and (in some ways) how you made them. I also don't think you can have this conversation without including more data like ammunition availability, ammunition cost, rifles chambered in that caliber availability, caliber recoil, and rifle's chambered in that caliber's cost as well. To drive my point home, choosing the 6.5 WBY RPM (over the 6.5CM) the WBY provides more energy, less drop, higher velocity, and less wind drift...but comes at the cost of ~50% more recoil, ammunition being substantially more difficult to find, limited manufacturers chambering rifles in the caliber, the companies manufacturing the rifles in the caliber are typically more expensive (i.e. Weatherby), limited manufacturers of the ammunition, and ammunition being substantially (+50-70%) more expensive, etc etc. One additional item - which will require us to double click on your specific comparisons using energy and drop: I think if you'd like to determine which caliber is better using those metrics, the same bullet types in similar weight-for-the-caliber should be used. For example, if you choose the 140gr Core-lokt for the 6.5CM, I think you should select the 150gr Core-lokt in the .270 because it's a relatively similar heavy-for-the-caliber comparison in the same bullet by the same manufacturer. When making that specific comparison, the data shows the .270 having 4.1" of drop at 200y with a 100y zero and the 6.5CM having 4.2" of drop at 200y with a 100y zero. The energy shows the 6.5 CM having 1613ft lbs at 200y whereas the .270 has 1588ft lbs at the same distance. When making those comparisons, I'd argue the bullets are VERY similar. This is a good video, so please dont take this as me trashing it by any means. It's your (good/sound) opinion based on the data you used to compare the rifles. My point is I think there was a missed opportunity to share a more wholistic comparison of the calibers listed. Anywho, thanks for the video. Just giving my thoughts. Have a good one!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👍👍 I hear ya. Appreciate you watching and Appreciate your comments

[@bsa526]

Man, I love watching your videos. In my honest personal opinion (for what it's worth) I've shot, hunted, and loaded for 40 years, and the 6.5 bullet is flat, when propelled with enough velocity it will work efficiently. The Creedmoor doesn't have the velocity to open the long heavy bullets. If you were to load a well constructed 95, or 100 grain bullet in the Creedmoor, it would be devastating on game

[@dustinweaver3032]

Hope you see this you just hearted my other comment. Would really like to see some more rimfire stuff. The 17wsm is really good. Everyone likes the old cartridges like 35 Remington and 30-30 Winchester. That stuff never gets old. Love the videos keep up the great work. Big thumbs up 👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I read every single comment. More rimfire on the way

[@kevinlytle6215]

270 for the win in longer ranges but low recoil and good performance up close makes the 6.5 good for most hunting of small to medium game. I am looking for a bolt action and a semi auto AR pattern rifle for hogs and smaller game. Those numbers look real good for that so thanks for helping me narrow my choices.

[@TroyTownsend-wj3rv]

I made my first long distance shot with a 270 win, so every long distance shot that I shoot regardless of calibur, will be shot from within the imprint of that first long distance shot with the 270 win, however, on that same note I didnt actually learn how to keep my head down or control recoil until I had shot my second rifle which is my 6.5 Creedmoor. I also have a 6.5 PRC but I will always remember the fun I had shooting both.Never shot an animal with the 6.5 Creedmoor but shot it the most and loved every second of it.

[@michaelwood5327]

This is the first video I have seen in months& I am subcribed.

[@carlmason6572]

I have taken deer and hogs with the .243, .260 Rem. 7mm-08, and 30-06. Most were DRT, with those shot with 180gr 30-06 went the farthest, but all were recovered. Ranges from 200 yds down to 70 yards. The creedmore has the energy needed, but bullet construction and placement are critical.

[@tonyrendleman1676]

You did a good job and your are correct however your not comparing apples to apples. The ammo you selected is not high bc ammunition. The 270 and the 6.5 Weatherby is not available in high bc unless its hand loaded. Ethical hunting should be 200-400 yards max. The PRC is a superior round in all facets because of its high bc design. Good info just a little skewed.

[@rfrazier113]

@WHO_TEE_WHO I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, and it does fine for Whitetail. Big doe, ran less than 40 yards and dropped. Shot was around 75 yards. No long range. I dont really hunt anywhere locally that I have a shot longer than 125 yards, so the 6.5 is fine for me. Now I want to get the "Next Level Up" gun. I hope to some day go on an elk hunt and want to know your opinion on next gun purchase if I only have 2 calibers with one of those being the 6.5 Creedmoor. What are your thoughts on the next caliber?

[@HunterOne_Productions]

I watch your channel religiously. Could it be that the lost deer are related to shot placement? I am requesting that you go on a hunt with the 6.5 Creedmoor and properly place the shot. Looking forward to your results.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Hard to say 🤷‍♂️

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@remingtonbundt5359]

My favorite cartridge and gun will forever be the Remington 700 mountain rifle in 270. I currently have a savage 111 lRH in 300 win mag but man that 270 was flat shooting with federal premium ballistic tip ❤

[@johnstruewing1164]

@@remingtonbundt5359 Did you know that the recoil pad on your Remington Mountain Rifle has a friggin bar of steel in it. I replaced the pad on my Remington Mountain Rifle in 7X57 Mauser and discovered the steel bar. I could only shake my head.