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[@jonei]

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[@luxuryenginesshorts]

Plz make more vids about your own game cause its rrly interesting and you have got me into game development my self...

[@jonei]

I'll definitely be doing more. Is there anything in particular that you'd like to see?

[@luxuryenginesshorts]

@@jonei uhh probably like how you manage to lay out the hud. Like the starting screen i think thats what its called and also map making. i suggest blender pretty beginner friendly.

[@brokennewbs]

I love the dash = 3rd person concept. I think anytime something "cool" or significant happening, that is when people would most value their fancy skins and increased environmental awareness. Apex, for example, does this on finishers, resing teammates, emotes, valk ult, tridents and other times the gun is put away. I think it should also be extended to octane pads and other mechanics where your shooting spread is so wide it is ineffective. If your game implements any kind of hand to hand combat beyond a basic melee, I'd recommend that has to be 3rd person view for awareness reasons. I compare MGS4 Final Boss fight/God of War/Mortal Combat/Dishonoured versus CyberPunk 2077/Apex hand to hand fights and find the former much more enjoyable. I know Apex got rid of some of the 3rd person peeking during emotes. Maybe there is a way to only show people who would appear in 1st person while in a 3rd person mode. Complicated I'm sure. Anyway, Keep Up the Development and Updates please!!

[@JadeSlays]

1st. No second thoughts about it

[@BrightHero_Ultimato]

3d person forever

[@MarkPiccolo]

I agree 👍 3rd person games are awesome

[@archangel4220]

I use to play rouge company! May have to give it another go. COD is not as enjoyable as it use to be.

[@jonei]

It is insanely fun lol ngl. Played some warzone the other day. Was interesting to say in the least lol. It wasn't too bad but the movement was absolute cheeks xD

[@Its_Trixie_]

Rogue company is so fun!

[@lancealotent.6277]

I fell in love with third person shooters when I played the first Max Payne

[@BlaccX]

Third person shooters are better. My proof is the uncharted series, watching my brother play online was cinematic. Further proof is lost planet 2 online pvp & when unreal championship went from 1st to 3rd person in the sequel

[@ryanellison1044]

I agree. Uncharted multiplayer is still the king of 3rd person shooters and it's depressing that no other developer has come close to matching it and ND seems to have given up on MP. Like, I don't get it, all the evidence that we need that 3rd person is better is right there and hardly anyone wants to carry the torch.

[@YamiFoxx]

I think for me I generally prefer 3rd person for one reason and one reason only, I get a lot less tunnel vision in 3rd person, I'm way more aware of my surroundings and the situation so I'm more likely to play a little more skilled with more mindful strategy

[@m.dave2141]

How much fov do you use in first person, maybe its too low (I tend to use 100 or 110 to not get tunnel vision), but at the same time to much fov can look annoying or even nauseating for some people, so yeah, its a matter of preference.

[@oldgamer1330]

@@m.dave2141 Why would you get tunnel vision, do you get that in real life as well, you must have your FOV set that way.

[@shawnjackson3764]

3rd person view is better because of female characters.

[@asdfasdfasdfaf]

Did you private some of your movement videos? Trying to recall a tapstrafe guide but cant find it anywhere

[@shawngorski9714]

All your points for tps were cosmetic or dampened the experience for the actual people who will most likely stick with your game... while all your points for fps seemed to be game play oriented like sorry but imo immersion is the most important thing to any game as well, i dont play games to be immersed or for very specific mechanics so if your games just shooting or just combat or roaming around than imo it has to be fps but if its a pokemon like game, a platformer or made for kids in general than tps is usually better and ofc micing the povs to flip expectations on their head can be good to but on average fps is just always gonna be beter for a shooter.

[@peely.oiledup]

a problem with third person is that looking left and right have two different sensitivities which can mess up ppl in a more competitive setting

[@Its_Trixie_]

I’m glad this is your area of the game to work on-I’d have a hard time choosing between first person or third person 😬 I’ll just fuss with the map and work on the story lol

[@raytheswift422]

I prefer 3rd person because of creativity immersiveness and the world building, to sag 3rd person isn't competitive is kinda weird to me either or can be fun and just as competitive fps games are just too much straining imo

[@OMEGA-00000]

I saw this videos title and the 1st thing that came into my head was "Skill Issue" lmao 😂😂😂

[@hellogoodbye4402]

For me personally, I see first person as player driven, such as half life, halo, og cods. While third person is more character driven. Both work well with proper gameplay mechanics for multiplayer.

[@crownlessking6628]

IMERSION POINT - first imersion game I have ever played was Getaway, then old resident evil and silent hill. Those games are extremelly imersive while bein 3rd peson. - they each have *different* options and potential. Yes, 1st lets you see from your eyes, meters could be on guns or hands. BUT. 3rd lets you see your injuries, states, clothing dirt and damage. TLDR - 1st person drags you closer to fight - 3rd drags you to life of the character and his interactions in the world

[@badlicious]

For me its plain and simple, if it doesn't have 3rd person view, Ill never play it, PERIOD.

[@seewead101]

Yes you need more skills for first person, so it perfect for people like ya.

[@badlicious]

@@seewead101 ...my real name is "Asif Icare"!

[@badlicious]

@@seewead101 My real name is Asif Icare bro!

[@oldgamer1330]

Yep I am the same only if it does not have FP I won't play it.

[@leejet4730]

Third person is for noobs with zero awareness and game sense 😂

[@vikrantburde8870]

A game like titanfall or doom eternal in third person wld be heaven on earth.

[@jonei]

Funnilly enough we decided to change the direction of the game to third person. I'm working on an update for this and would love your feedback if you're interested in testing it!

[@BrightHero_Ultimato]

Doom is now hell on earth literally

[@real_rsaNoob13]

Fun fact:Apex Legends Mobile has 3rd person

[@innovance3788]

Thinking about this reminded me of Vanquish. Did you ever play it?

[@jonei]

Never played it, just looked it up though. Looks insane lmao XD

[@innovance3788]

@@jonei Yeh, platinumgames' games tend to be/look insane lmao. I don't remember much of playing it or know how well it holds up, I just remember the feeling of loving it when it originally came out! I'll probably pick it up again if it's ever on sale on steam. But yeh, it may be be worth playing with regards some of the questions and mechanics you're considering for your own game :)

[@FrankLeeYing]

Yo dope game. It was fps meet strider

[@FrankLeeYing]

I bought vanquish again for pc after seeing this😂😂

[@innovance3788]

@@FrankLeeYing Same! Haven't payed it yet though! 😂

[@Foebane72]

2:16 I've never EVER heard such arrant nonsense! FPS ALL THE WAY, BABY!

[@auxer_edits]

Mmmmm nah fps are hard and boring 🫤

[@S16E17A18N]

Way fooking better

[@christiandelao2547]

No, it is not easier for development, lol, its significantly more work, your animations have to look better, the camera setup is more complex and has to interact with the environment and you need to used different animations for your ai and players

[@kjcrafts751]

fps better

[@deck91]

Only TPS ❤

[@d4nny912]

people complain about free peeking in deadlock a lot and beg for first person which just wouldnt work in that game. its never really bothered me as a long time fps/competitive enjoyer since everyone in the match can take advantage of it

[@kingjinendra6521]

Socom created all of these games including Cod

[@gameboyadvancedsp6727]

Not sure about the impact of SOCOM but you say what TPS impacted the most Gears of War come to mind, and CoD was created by ex-Medal of Honor devs after EA betraying them. Edit: I think found a SOCOM inspiration, maybe: *Caliber*, free for PC on Steam. (You need a high-end PC) If KZbinr LevelCap think it's a TPS done right, knowing that YT then it is done right.

[@Tax17-17]

I feel like apex mobile did a very good third person it’s got a ton of animations, a nice FOV and decent gun play

[@vikrantburde8870]

what game were u playing at 3:40?

[@jonei]

Destiny 2 :)

[@oldgamer1330]

3rd person shooters are kids games! running around like watching chickens being feed end of story. I guess if you have grown up playing kids games then it is what you are used to, but if you can't play in FP then you must struggle in real life.

[@jonei]

@oldgamer1330 I hope you're joking. This is unbelievably cringe if not.

[@oldgamer1330]

@@jonei Why would I be joking about about it, as I said they are just kids games, when you grow up you play games that are more realistic so that means first person, I am not saying they are not good games because I know a lot of them are, but why make them look like kids games instead of realistic.

[@jonei]

@oldgamer1330 Art style has nothing to do with whether or not a game is for kids... What you are saying is akin to saying Attack on Titan is a kid show because it's "a cartoon." Just because a game has realistic graphics doesn't mean it's for adults. It's the content that matters, not the art style. As far as perspective goes. Is gear of war a kids game? Clearly not. Unless you call using a chainsaw to cut someone in half with blood splatter everywhere a kid friendly game, lol... The same can be said for the first descendant. It's clearly not a kids' game either. Also, some people literally get sick from playing either perspective. They can't control that, and that does not make them a child. You really should take a close look at your values and get off your high horse before looking down on people just because they may or may not enjoy the same type of game as you. Side note. If every single game was realistic shit would get boring extremely quickly. Hades, elden ring, naraka bladepoint, and many other games have fantastic art styles that give those games such incredible character and memorable feel. If you can't see that, then that sounds like a you problem.

[@oldgamer1330]

@@jonei It is not the games we are talking about but the way you play them. When I was a little boy I used to push cars around on the ground, then when I got a bit bigger I to be in the cars so I used to ride Peddle cars then when I got older I got go karts and then I started driving real cars. It's called growing up and some people still just want to push their cars around on the ground, just like they play driving sims in 3rd person because they have not grown out of that yet, so because of all these kids that have not grown up there is a reason for game co's to keep making games to play from on the ground like little kids. We play these games to simulate real life, but there is nothing real life about using 3rd person.

[@jonei]

The fact that you think a majority of gamers want to simulate real life tells me you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. A majority of people play games to escape from reality. That's just common sense. I think I've wasted enough time with this conversation. Please only comment on my videos if you are going to say something constructive. Otherwise I will just ban you for wasting my time.

[@BlaccX]

What game is he playing at 3:09?

[@jonei]

rogue company :D

[@BlaccX]

Ha sorry I meant 3:39?

[@MegaMcJacob]

What was that last game you were playing?

[@jonei]

New World :)

[@MegaMcJacob]

@@jonei thanks man. Really enjoying your videos

[@jonei]

@@MegaMcJacob Np man! Just a head up New world is actually on sale for half off so right now would be the time to get it! And thank you so much for watching! :D

[@sbmmisalie3612]

easy fix: plan for both, and start with 3rd person for wider reach. When the game is popular (and has 1st person) competition organizers can make it mandatory to use 1st person only. Which can be easily checked/enforced.

[@jonei]

I'm not sure why I feel turned off from the idea of switching between the two lol >.

[@geekpotionletsplay6098]

@@jonei I wouldn't swish either , Its like bagging to lose 50-70 of the players coming for one thing and then the complete game feel will be different after a big patch

[@Amb3rMoon]

third person games are better. Period. First person games are rubbish.

[@seewead101]

First person makes it feel more immersive and realistic. I really hate 3rd person games.

[@the7screw]

I want to like third person shooters but it always feels wrong. Melee feels completely fine but with shooting it's almost like my inner ear doesn't know what to do (which is odd because I don't get sea sick or vr sickness)

[@najlepszeszotywmiescie6329]

no, its not fun. For sure for noob campers it is

[@thighhighenthusiastic1268]

I like both but prefer fps cause of the far camera 3rd person makes me dizzy. Especially cause it keeps pushing the camera forward when there is a wall close behind you, plus makes camping more annoying because you can see others while they cannot see you.