Why a real adventure motorcycle helmet has a flip-up chin bar

[@damiank2568]

Thanks. In Australia I'm riding a lot of dusty gravel roads with other bikes kicking up the dust. The peak is very important. Not to keep the sun out of my eyes but to cast a shadow across the dusty visor so I can see better.

[@bsidethecside2283]

Similar with a winter commute in the UK, except it's dirty wet road spray and the low sun! A drop down visor won't help as the contrast has gone when the light hits the dirt and diffracts.

[@hoppa1909]

As a former paramedic, I can't stress enough how important it is to have easy access to the patient. Especially for the first people on the scene who may only have rudimentary medical knowledge. That's why I agree 100 percent that a flip-up helmet can save your life. Thank you for this excellent video. Drive safely.

[@MattTofield]

I love the fact that I live in an age when a motorcycle gear expert talks about cognitive dissonance. Bloody brilliant.

[@jamesfairmind2247]

"Chap in a Cap", absolutely brilliant analysis and worthy of a PhD award in the subject. However, somewhat surprisingly, you forgot to identify another very compelling reason for a flip which is that when you stop to engage with the locals for some local knowledge re hotels/petrol stations or whatever, or when you are dealing with Police /border officials, a flip allows them to engage with a human face instead of a scary looking Star Wars Stormtrooper, and speaking from my own experience as a RTW rider, that incredibly significant physiological advantage cannot be understated. You can't smile your way out of a tricky situation in a full face because nobody can see the smile. Perfect example, Ed Marsh who could charm his way out of a firing squad because he always spoke to the officials with his lid open.

[@GringoCarioca]

Love this shop. Hugely rate the team. Quite simply one of the BEST bikeshops I have been to, in UK or Australia.

[@brucecurtis6281]

I do own both types, and they have their respective strengths. Can you wear goggles with a flip? If you wear glasses, flip helmets can go on and off with your glasses in situ. Sometimes the visor actually stabilises the buffeting, like fins. Wear good ear protection, alpine or similar, every ride. Slow speeds, flips give more air. Drop your helmet and the peak often saves your visor from damage. Own both, and you will always be wearing the wrong one and the wrong time!

[@razorwired130]

Love your channel and wish you had a shop in the states. Never underestimate the power of style - your outfit for example - you wouldn’t be the same in a baseball cap and a t-shirt.

[@swcrossii]

I wish they had a shop in the USA as well!

[@brucecurtis6281]

Sunset in the Serengeti lasts about 4 minutes. Sunset in northern Scotland, or Norway, lasts eight hours and is very low in the sky. Daylight in winter is less than eight hours in the whole day, amd skims the horizon. The peak is useful up north. If the sun actually shines.

[@uncleroach]

I find peak way more useful on high sun situation. Airoh Commander for example doesn't have peak big enough for sunsets. However it is way better for midday sun as it creates a bit of shade on your face. It is quite bad in side-winds especially with MX style chin.

[@michaelmclarney1994]

I agree Chris, I mostly wear my flip front helmet on whatever bike I ride, it's just so much more practical for every situation.

[@nebl-hq3nh]

Since I got my first flip-up helmet around 1985 I have never thought about buying anything else. I agree with almost everything you said in your excellent video - with one exception. The foil against low sun should be applied at the sun visor, not the outer visor. The sun visor is a common feature in flip-up helmets and can be lowered within a second to protect your eyes and enhance your security. This way, your view will not be permanently obstructed.

[@ronanrogers4127]

100% agree. I have a KTM 1190 Adventure R and a 690R and do a lot of adventure (4mth trips) and off road. I use a Schuberth C3 Pro because it’s very quiet, has a drop down sun visor, and the flip lid is easier for me as I wear glasses. Brilliant helmet

[@sebastiankasprzak182]

I guess, what has been said in the video is true, but the whole story just describes half of the picture: 1. Flip lids according to 22.06 are ridiculously heavy - L-sized Neotec3 in nearly 2kg, XL-sized is well above 2kg... That's insane! Riding with the chin bar up you just put the additional weight on top which makes the weight much more tangible and uncomfortable. Actually, what you do is just avoid riding like this. 2. Open chin bar prevents air getting inside a top vent so while you put some more air over your face, the top of the head gets sweaty, again - riding with the chin bar open is just a tradeoff not an extra gem 3. Noise - while fliplids can be quieter... add earplugs and there is no difference whether you have a fliplid or anything else 4. Fliplids tend to have the strap moved a bit backwards comparing to full face helmets - may be uncomfortable for some of us, depending on neck shape 5. ADV helmets have much bigger visor aperture. I like that! 6. Much more air to breath with in ADV helmet and (most often) better ventilation helps keep the whole head cooler 7. Yes, you can open a fliplid in case of an accident, but there are (on some ADVs) a quick releases which address the problem how to get the helmet off swiftly 8. Peaks do a great job if you ride 8 hours in the full sun - just minimize how much UV gets inside shading your face from sunlight. Actually you feel much cooler on the face So I guess, it's what someone likes better. It would be fair to say that there is as much advantages of a fliplid as disadvantages when compared to ADVs. Personally, if my trip is mainly about on/off or with lower speeds (avoiding fast transfers) than I take an ADV (yes, air drag can be a pain in high speeds). If there is much more motorway riding involved - I leave ADV at home and... I take a fullface because of less (lot less) weight - my NXR2 lets me save 0,6kg over a Neotec3 and it does far more better job at speeds aerodynamically than a Neotec3... and the lack of sunshield does not bother me since I added a transition to the NXR2. So, my take on this subject - ADV or a light fullface :)

[@MervinDeJager-o2s]

Been using our LS2 Valiant II both on our VFR 800 as well as Tiger 800. Why we chose this particular helmet is that the chin bar goes back 180* almost all the way to the back, and not just halfway like many other modular helmets, which causes some backwards drag when open. And when coming off a freeway into a town like setting is awesome, changing from a full face to an open face helmet. Greetings from South Africa.

[@codyoldford1592]

Great content. I have a Klim KRIOS Pro and a Shoei Neotec 3. For me the Klim is actually quieter (I expected it to be the opposite). It's also lighter and runs much cooler. The problem I have with it is it gives me a hot spot on the front of my head after long rides. The Shoei fits like a pillow and the flip front is awesome you just look like a cop....have fun out there!

[@vailmcc]

Same! I get that pressure on my forehead as well. It’s common on the Klim, and I understand some shops will shave a little of the interior to alleviate it, which I hope to do soon..

[@geoffmesser5091]

I’m in Australia and tend to ride a lot of gravel roads, forestry and other tracks rather than a lot of bitumen. Some day tides, plenty of weekends with O/N camping and occasional week-long trips generally well off the bitumen. Rode my F650GS for years with a Shoei Neotec with a narrow sunvisor inserted between the helmet and liner and really enjoyed it. Recently replaced that with a Schuberth with flip front, drop down visor and a peak. Happy with it so far. No real buffeting but I’m short and my bike has a fairly high screen and I don’t ride all that fast when standing. The other upside of a flip front is that it’s so much easier when you wear glasses.

[@Michael-Masi-911]

What model Schuberth mate?

[@tx51210]

I always respect your opinion and experience. Your videos are welll grounded and explained. I think one aspect you might have overlooked with peak helmet design is their background in motocross and hot environments. The increased air flow does increase noise but in hot environments the cooling effect can defeat noise and buffeting concerns especially in off road conditions. As with all things we must live in compromise, so how we ride dictates our selections. Thanks again for another great video!

[@RYwoodview]

Great discussion, thank you. I naturally chose a flip helmet for its flexibility. Even being a physician, I never thought of its value in case of being found unconscious or with a damaged neck.

[@thetreadtrader7565]

I agree wholeheartedly. I’ve tried a few helmets over the years. Been riding adventure bikes since the nineties. My latest helmet purchase is the Nolan 120-1. Chin guard goes over to rear enabling me to ride open face in the hotter weather, but back to full face for higher speeds.

[@Coatsey007]

Chris, those in the know agree, I’m on my fifth flip helmet, all Shoei and the last one bought from you.

[@hardtailchop]

I'm one of the people who needed to hear this. I love riding off road and have a dedicated small bike for that (with an appropriate lid and goggles). I also have a dirty great big adventure bike that mainly gets ridden on well made surfaces because of course it does. My heart tells me that I need an ADV helmet, but you are 100% right here that riding with a peak is a pain in the neck - literally. Probably be seeing you in a couple of weeks to try a new Neotec 😆

[@paulsmyth497]

Nice one Chris. I bought all of my gear from you. Neotec 2, Marrakesh, Stadler, gloves, boots, my lads' gear..... etc. I would never even think to go anywhere else, except your wonderful little set up with Sarah, Sean, yourself and everyone else. Having said ALL of that, I WAS very loosely considering buying an Arai ADV helmet in the Africa Twin colours (mostly because of low sun - with a splash of vanity peut-etre 🤣🤣)......... but I'll stick to my lovely Neotec based on this brilliant advice - as always. Nobody else like Motolegends. Nobody. Fact.

[@Fractal379]

Flip for life! 🙂 I love all your videos, thanks again!

[@clayfarnet970]

One of the biggest reasons I prefer a flip helmet is when approaching busy intersections or an unstructured areas, I lift the chin guard for greater peripheral visibility. It helps with my limited neck mobility due to disk surgery.

[@peterjohnson4006]

Good advice as always I tend to run run with the sun visor down half an inch which is similar to the tape method,,,,,

[@michaelmclarney1994]

A strip of tape on the bottom edge of the visor also helps in that situation, simulating the peak advantage without the disadvantage

[@soulrebelno1]

I agree, it's an excellent technique. I use it when riding around my local parks on sunny days, remember them! The overhanging branches will cause the dappled sunlight effect on the road, so you will go from light to dark in an instant, and you simply don't know how long it will last. By looking down slightly, you can bring the sun visor into play. It's also useful for when the sun starts to sit lower in the sky as we approach autumn and winter. 👍

[@JEmmertz]

I really love the conclusions you have here! 👍 You might not like the extra weight that comes with a flip-up, but all other aspects of it will be very handy for many many riders.

[@JEmmertz]

One of the reasons I like and prefer any flip-lid is from the discussions I have had with local motorcycle police. I live nearby the local Police station and many/most riders fill up with gas at a station even closer to me, and I do have occasional talks with them. Very soon you get to find out why they use certain gear - and a motorcycle police is never a random rider with no real clue or connection to the circumstances of reality. There's a serious reason to anything they wear. (And they can tell some really eye-opening stories on what they have seen and experienced on the roads also.)

[@chrisssinstockholm]

Up north, for example in sweden the sun set very slow compared to at the equator. For riding in evenings a peak is very nice.

[@brianhoward9217]

Thanks Motolegends, I lrearned a few good things from this vid - well done. One aspect I was waiting to hear about, but was NOT mentioned, was strength and safety. I'm no expert with stats or industry knowledge here, however it seems to me obvious that a full face quality road helmet (i.e. Shoei ot Arai) would be a much safer prospect if, in a fall, I am skimming across the ground and heading for a pole or gutter impact. Conversely, I think I'd MUCH rather have a full face if I fall off in traffic and any number of cars or busses are looking to use my helmet for traction.

[@parkland4530]

I have used a strip of tape on the top of the visor of my Nolan flip for years. It certainly helps. I normally ride with the visor cracked for additional air. I have the tape installed so that if the visor is closed the tape only allows a small crack to peer through. Good riding.. Thanks for the video.

[@florianalexander9183]

which kind of tape do you use? Any experience how compatible it is with visor cleaners?

[@parkland4530]

@@florianalexander9183 Well My last attempt was with alum foil duct tape. It worked ok but doesn’t look factory. It sticks but with some wrinkles. I have used gray duct tape in the past. Kind of works with my silver helmet. But there must be something better. Thanks for the comment

[@richardmugridge4142]

Excellent point about the first responder access. I use a Carbon 7 modular helmet and it is vastly superior to my older Arai Corsair. Great content thank you.

[@buyaqub]

I have both, believe me the peak is a plus and help a lot to make your comfortable

[@pollcrazy]

Thanks for the tape tip! I have been having sun issues this late in the fall

[@michal_z]

You should say at the beginning that this video is for 'wanna be adventure riders who stay on tarmac with their brand new GS's'. If you go for some green lanes with flip-up helmet you will realise very quickly that you don't have enough fresh air to breath. You will get sweat after a couple of minutes. Your pinlock will not work because of the amount of moisture. You will basically boil your head in it. I don't care that much about the peak but the protruding chin that adv helmet offers is a must and a lifesaver for a proper adventure rider.

[@AlexOnABoat]

Now there's a very good reason why Claudio Von Planta chose a flip-front (and it was only for Long Way Up), that's because it makes it easier to use a camera. PS Lancashire Tea for me 😉

[@RabidWombatz]

I’ve come off/crashed at 80kph or more in the Australian outback twice, once in my Schuberth C3 pro, then in the replacement C4 Pro Carbon. The chin stayed down and I am alive and nothing broken. So they do work.

[@mdh6977]

i love having the flip lid... if the sun is low i can drop the sun screen partially down to kill the glair (instead of a tape strip) and if i need more air or want a smoke or talk to someone it works in all conditions and quickly

[@thebigoaktree8401]

Enjoyed the Neotec 3 quietness, modular design, but it was too heavy for me in an XL. Purchased the GT Air which was lighter and more to my liking but it was indeed much more noisy than the Neotec 3. Every design is a trade off for sure.

[@hiddendragon415]

I swear the Gen 1 GT Air was the quietest. I found both newer models noisy.

[@stevesteve1965.]

I have the best of both worlds a Nexx Vilijord , flip up and peak. It's on a par with my Schuberth E1 with regards to wind noise,fit and comfort. Not noticed any extra wind noise or drag from the peak and it's the only helmet I've had where I haven't needed to put tape across the top of the visor which I've done for at least 2 decades.

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

I live in north Australia, and it’s mostly hot or bloody hot. I also come from the days when most riders used open face helmets, and to this day I really enjoy wearing an old fashioned open face with a small peak (helps reduce sunburn on the face). Right now I’m needing a new lid, it’s down to an mx or a modular helmet. And tbh I think the modular lid just makes sense, especially at highway speeds.

[@AlexOnABoat]

There are two very important use cases where a peak beats a drop down visor, green-laning and urban riding. Seemingly total opposites but both offering the same conditions - rapid switching from sunlight to shade at a time when you don't want to have a hand off the bars. In both cases the lack of speed means noise and turbulence aren't an issue and in both cases, a tint whether from a drop down visor or sunglasses renders the shaded areas pitch black.

[@longjonwhite]

Still rockin’ the Schuberth C3 you sold me about 5 years ago. I own a couple of others, but it’s definitely my favourite.

[@calmcruiser]

Great Insights Chris, I’ll be buying the NeoTec in the coming months, 👍🏼

[@knackeredrovers]

I am old enough to remember when only the Old Bill and people who could afford BMW system 1 helmets were in flip lids. As a glasses wearer though, I always thought they were a good idea. Nolan bought out the first reasonable quality but affordable flip helmet, the N100 if I remember correctly, in the late 90s. I bought one back then and I have always had a flip lid ever since. I currently have the latest generation Nolan, but may well treat myself to a Shoei next year.

[@axelfiraxa]

I tried the Shoei but didnt find any relevant advantage against my Nolan N100-5 Plus. Where i did feel a slight difference was with the HJC RPHA 90s Carbon or 91 Carbon. The 2-300g difference is alightly noticeable which might help for very long trips. However the N100-5 has a funny trick where the top air vent is designed to create lift so in practice it actually feels ligbter than it is in a regular upright position on my 1250 Bandit or 1290 SuperAdventure

[@exile730]

Never a truer word, Chris - function over form for me. The flip may seem uncool but it is my go to on a touring basis whatver type of bike I am riding.

[@alsnyder1660]

I'm not sure about flip ups being more quiet. Yes, they can have smaller openings, but there is the joint line on the shell between main shell and jaw portion that i suspects creates turbulence and noise. But i do wear a flip lid for communications purposes

[@adamshani3049]

Great insight on a very important topic. Thank you for sharing

[@stans2493]

I just picked up a new Schuberth E2 which comes with a removeable peak which I immediately removed because it flops and is almost useless. Other than that it's near perfect. Flip front, drop down visor and fits my head better than the Neotec 3. When I want a peak I wear my Shoei Hornet X2.

[@xujinxing]

That’s why the new arai peak is easy to remove for highway routes and easy to install back when you hit the dirt/gravel. Dusty visor and sun glare is a bad combo together. There’s always a compromise in one or another when you do adventure riding.

[@38orangsweet]

Just recently I learned that modern flip helmets have progressed quite a bit; I agree with these conclusions here. It used to be that flip helmets were believed to be heavier, louder, less safe in a crash (Not sure if those things were true, but I believed them). I still believed that up to last year when I bought the GTAir, then it ended up being louder than my old neotec. I didn't even question this before the purchase. I subsequently learned that the locking mechanisms are much better now, the helmets do not have a large weight penalty anymore; in nearly all things that I wanted, the flip helmet was better.

[@1young-geezer]

I have the v5 Arai that you had on the table (or is it 4? whatever, same helmet - same color, love it). I had a flip before. I was sure that a the Arai peaked helmet would give me greater visibility, i.e. more peripheral, more top and bottom, and unless I'm kidding myself I do believe that to be the case, so that's my 2 cents. AND living in the southwest US, I have MANY times now been REALLY happy for the adjustable peak on the Arai, at 7,000 ft and up to 12,000, my normal riding altitudes, that dang sun is BRIGHT and annoying, the peak has been great, and much loved over the flip up. I do miss the sun shield in general, and the open position is great. But..........

[@zyghom]

I started with cheap flip helmet, then moved to Schuberth C5 (from you btw) and I am super happy

[@ChrisWeaving]

What about an adventure helmet with a peak that also has flip up? there are some on the market, in fact im currently in the market for one.. which brought me to your video.

[@AwesomePlayers]

Scorpion AT950 and 960 have both. I removed the visor after having used those helmets for years. So much less buffeting.

[@garysmall3094]

Been using tape on my visor 4 years also fog city & pin lock. Have the neotec only gripe & its a big 1 is that the visor on the lowest level is far 2 high.in summer time I remove the chin cover & carry it with me . Prefer more fresh air .

[@T-Bone54]

I use both a flip and a full face. I use the flip 80% of the time for the reasons you make here. Where I do take a slight issue is where you state emergency services can flip the helmet safely in case of an accident. Very, very few paramedics will know it's a flip lid, mainly because as you state at the beginning, when closed, they just look like a standard full face. If a rider is dazed or unconscious, they can not inform a responder accordingly. Worse, flip lids can be a pain finding - and operating - the damm release lever! Different manufacturers put them in different areas.

[@alainmichaud6747]

I agree, Scorpion at960 with no peak, Touratech ( neex) adventuro with no peak, Shoei Netoec2, nolan N70 2x no peak , NolanN70 2 gt, these our my helmets , except for the shoei when I travel long ride , all the others give a better and larger view and provide convenience and more air and versatility. ( proper protection at higher speed) yep ear protection is needed.

[@thaumaturgeishere331]

You managed to ignore the impact of helmet weight on long journeys.

[@sattvicvelo3506]

I miss the peak on almost every ride - but deciced not to use it because of the downsides you mentioned (my NeoTec 3 has a drop down sunvisor and it's awesome, but I still wish it had a removable peak). My rides usually start at 5-6am just as the Sun is right low in my face riding into the mountains... I might go as far as to get a helmet with a removable visor and put it on jsut in the morning ;-)

[@darenwilliams2995]

I don't agree with its just a fashion accessory statement: I wear an Arai XD4 for touring (including a 5000 mile trip around Europe this year). 1. Great field of view 2. No need for yet another piece of plastic to look through 3. Much better ventilation than a flip lid (apart from low speed). I do have a very short screen on my bike and most helmets, including peaked work best in clean air.

[@Lakiozoon]

Tbh, as you pointed out, I don't need a peak on my helmet to go adventure riding. Simply put, I don't see significant benefits in having one. That said, as someone who wears prescription glasses, I do require my helmet to have a really good ventilation. When working hard on trails, normal helmets simply fog up. I'm currently on GT air 2, but it simply isn't good enough on trails. I guess flip up would help, but I would have to leave it open all the time, which isn't ideal.

[@michaellowery928]

Great video! What about full flip models?

[@JoeIannone]

A downside to flip up helmet that I don’t think was mentioned is that they are typically heavier than non flip helmets. Heavier helmet will strain your neck more. The peak also keeps the sun from penetrating through the visor during the afternoon, not just at dusk/dawn and that really helps with keeping your head and face cool. Even with a tinted visor the sun will still penetrate and the inside or your helmet gets warm- the peak helps with this. Discovered this riding hours in central Texas during the summer and am telling you the peak helps tremendously in this regard. Otherwise great vid, but I’m not giving up my XD4 anytime soon.

[@phfrank888]

Yes my flip is heavy, and it does wear you down on a long ride.

[@Eagleburger90]

I use a peak to keep the sun off my face.

[@twowheelstouring482]

We dont have the same issues with the sun here in uk, we are lucky to see it.

[@Sweetw4ter]

As always interesting inputs from you :) What i will say tho is that there in no one "real" adventure helmet. Why? Because adventure looks different for every person, also every person has different preferences. I dont think that Adam Riemann would agree that a flip up helmet is the "real" adventure helmet of choice for example.

[@seanlock5614]

I've worn flip helmets for years even when I rode my Harleys . Because I live in Spain, I have the best of both worlds. I usually only put the front down when I'm at Highway Speeds. Yes, I have other helmets. But the modular is my everyday rider for most things.

[@12masterr]

I just went tru this last week! Riding my gs, I had a helmet vibration that if I slightly pit a finger on the arai peak, will dissappear! Got back to using the hjc 90s and problem solved!

[@swcrossii]

This is why I purchased the Schuberth E2 ….it’s a flip lid with a (removable) peak! 😬…. all the advantages, cognitive dissonance included! ☺️(my second helmet, which I wear for the larger spectrum of vision and transition lens, is KLIM Krios Pro. It’s great combo in my experience.

[@dukesublime4178]

Great chat as always sir.

[@squashproplayer]

Great video & explained perfectly ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@magnusb6311]

Good video, so a flip-up is same as we in Sweden call Modular? But flip-up is brittish English? I have a Schubert C5, it does notbhave the beak like the E2. But I wonder, do you think, if I buy a separate shield and beak from Schubert for the E2, will it fit my C5? Cheers from Sweden

[@stefanhansen5882]

Interesting perspective. Much appreciated. I'm trying to find a new helmet, and my number one criteria is low noise when riding my SV650. Could you please recommend one or more helmets for me? Thanks!

[@neiljohn6913]

Very interesting- looking for a touring lid as RX7Evo far too noisy for big miles- thanks 👍

[@4KITTIES-ADV]

I have the RX7-V Evo, too, and the Neotec 3. The latter I bought for a 5000km trip I completed a few weeks back. If using a naked like me, the Neotec 3 is really noisy around the ears compared to the RX7-V that I have used for over 26000km. I use ear plugs with both helmets. The Shoei mostly now collects dust as I am back with the Arai for all rides. The Neotec 3 may be great behind a screen / adv bike. I am buying the F900 GS, so I will try it with Neotec 3.

[@ElSancho311]

Chris, love the educational videos. Can you recommend any modular helmets for a long oval head shape? I have been at a loss, all tried have caused an unbearable hot spot on forehead. The Arai Signet-X is perfect, have 2, but interested in trying a different style if able to find a solution. Appreciate any insight. Cheers!

[@sarge2665]

What an absolute load of sense! 😂 I own both a flip front (neotec 2) and an adventure helmet and I have to say the ONLY reason I bought that is looks! Everything said here about adventure helmets is correct, they are noisy and suffer buffeting at speed, and the peak really isn't that much use at all. Whilst being in the honest chair I do still wear my adventure lid when I know I'm not going far or I won't be riding at motorway speeds purely coz I like the way it looks but in ALL other respects my flip front lid beats it hands down 👍🏻

[@oschilli]

Thee are helmets which have both, flip and peak. The Schuberth E2 for example.

[@worm8957]

I stand by the tape trick. I regret my Klim Krios purchase, wishing I bought the Neotec. I’ve removed the peak from my Klim and put a strip of tape across the top.

[@alsnyder1660]

I'm a big fan of the tape approach

[@matthewoakley6081]

I agree with you completely re peaks. However, in my opinion laminated jackets are more flexible than lined jacket as vents work so much better. (Klim badlands )

[@stalbansbiker]

Totally agree Much better on the road more convenient and cooler also I rode the ABR in very hot and dusty conditions, and it was fine J

[@keithrackham]

I own a flip helmet and have suffered the strobe effect when riding through woods as the sun goes down, alternatively being in the shade and then blinded by low sunlight. The tape across the top of the visor seems a very good suggestion only I am concerned some tape adhesives could have a detrimental effect on the polycarbonate. Can anyone recommend a specific tape they have used which is sufficiently broad and can be removed easily without causing lasting damage, or does it have to be considered permanent once added

[@markg1291]

I wish Shoei made a flip front with a peak!!

[@soulrebelno1]

When you move your head about at speed, a peak acts as a sail or an aerofoil! One thing Chris didn't mention, is that a flip-lip also makes it easier to talk and to hear other people, because you have the ability to flip the front of the helmet up. The best flip-lid in my opinion would be the Shoei Neotec. I bit the bullet and bought one after wasting hundreds on helmets that, for one reason or another, I simply don't wear any more. The Neotec is expensive, but it's extremely comfortable, it's very quiet, and in the long run it's money well spent, because it's the only helmet you need for everyday road riding. I managed to pick up the Respect TC-10 in a sale, but if you want to save some cash, and from a safety point of view, the plain white one would be the sensible choice.

[@rpicinato]

Does Apple Face ID work with the flip-up helmets like Neotec? I doesn't work with full-face ones

[@armandoloureiro7158]

Except. It’s heavier than a gold bar.

[@soulrebelno1]

​@@armandoloureiro7158 I've got a Scorpion Exo-1400 Air Carbon full-face as well, it's a great helmet, but I still prefer the Shoei Neotec.

[@soulrebelno1]

@@rpicinato I use Android, and I can unlock my phone using face ID wearing my Shoei Neotec 2. I think it works by measuring a series of facial points, like the corners of your mouth, your eyes, and your nose, etc. If there's a microphone in the way of your mouth, then face ID won't work, you'll have to move the mic to the side.

[@latestviking]

Very good video👋

[@antonisr827]

Would you recommend a premium flip up helmet even for street/naked bikes which are also used for commuting in warm areas?

[@05gt99]

Love my Agv tour modular , tried the shoe but just didn’t feel right for me.

[@calmdymon]

I think you are missing very important point on helmet bic, it is not only for shielding from sun, as well protect the goggles from branches, but most importantly for adventure bikes gives the correct airflow, it cuts through the air , makes huge difference for head to stay straight, otherwise when you ride without bic your head moves side to side , like you underwater. It's is very important for aerodynamics when you keep your head up straight facing

[@AwesomePlayers]

The best part is being able to flip the bar up when huffing and puffing to drag a bike out of a mud hole.

[@dominichayes9808]

No, a strip at the top of the visor will not do the same job as a peak to block the effects of the sun. A peak will shade a portion of the visor, preventing all the micro scratches from being lit up by direct sunlight, which is very hard to see through. A hand would do the same job, but I prefer to keep those on the bars. Plus, flips and sun visors add weight. That said, I prefer a helmet with a flip, but I often find it covered in dust at just the wrong time! 😂

[@DouglasRosser]

I would love to wear a flip-up (aka "modular") helmet but I have a very round, very large bean and the only helmet I've ever found that fits is my Arai Quantum-X 2XL (full face). At least it fits well!

[@Motolegends]

Get a PFS fit on a Shoei. Unless you make part-time appearances at the circus, it should work fine. CP

[@splintergg]

Will you be swapping your flat cap for a fez Chris? Jus like dat 😁👍

[@dungspreader]

No need for a peaked cap indoors . Rather rude actually .

[@creedm3040]

Awesome video! Good points certainly. I have a Shoei Neotec 2 and I love it. I disagree , I think you look younger. Best!

[@nizzie16]

I never ever considered getting a flip before, simply because I remember my dad made one or two remarks on BMW riders and their silly flips.

[@guywalkabout1914]

Well said by the man who even wears a peak in front of the camera.

[@stonecold2653]

peak came in handy when i was on the motorway in france.

[@pepcooper]

I agree in a few things, but disagree on some key ones. First of all I don't like the statement about "true adventure motorcyclist" as it sounds a bit like gatekeeping, everyone has different kinds of adventure. In my opinion, a "true adv rider" would definetly go off road a lot, in which case a flip-lid is terrible because of the added weight, lack of peak and compatibility with gogles so I think it's more adecuate for road use only so it would land on the touring side more than adv. And then, the main benefit of the flip-lid, the ability to ride with it opened up, is to me a big con, since I wouldn't want a hit in my face even at 15 mph. Also the silent claim is true like Chris said for a quality helmet, for something like a neotec or a shuberth, but most flip-lids are way noisier than a full face because of the shapes and the gaps inherent to the opening mechanism. Also, there's the ones that have the 180 degree chin bar which I wouldn't recommend at all. I know of a guy who got rear ended on a traffic light and the chin bar broke his neck on the hit and got him paraplegic so yeah, scary af. Honestly if you want a flip-lid go for the neotec3 or the c5...

[@roadwarrior8560]

Nolan N70-2X is a great multi purpose 'adventure' helmet.

[@pepcooper]

@@roadwarrior8560 Never tried it on the bike, but I had it in my hands and like most Nolans the build quality doesn' seem 100% spot on to me. But although I'm not a fan of detachable chin protection, the concept on this one is interesting. I think they are one or two updates/revisions away of being a brilliant product.

[@ianparkes2538]

To me adventure means off road , there isn’t a flip helmet made with enough field of view or ventilation to match the tour x . I’ve got an e1 which isn’t bad , but like the laminate suit you will boil wearing that off road . Yes i would love a tour x or similar with a flip front but its not made

[@smashy_smasherton]

My helmet is a flip with a peak. I like it. I wear earplugs because it’s noisy. My bike is loud too.😊

[@MR35th-890]

BMW Systems 2 helmet had a heated visor, never steamed up in the winter.

[@AmbrosiasRideOuts]

I was umming and ahhing about an Adventure helmet but decided against them. I bought a flip-back helmet for me and the Mrs. That way we can ride open faced without the drag.

[@tymobyrne4451]

Real Adventure helmets should come with cup holders to hold the crappy coffee from Charbucks.

[@doddy7623]

Do you think first responders (non bikers) know about how to remove them? Will they do more damage trying to remove modular helmets. I wear one but never thought about that before.

[@WDXash]

Yes, they’re taught about them.

[@Aquadug]

Did a first-aid course aimed at motorcycle drivers, held by a former military medic, current ambulance driver. 9/10 times he adviced it's better to do something i.e remove helmer than wait for first responders. He adviced to always try and remove the helmet, only exemption where if there were holes in the helmet. Can be skull fractures, and the helmet is holding the skull together. As a first responder he definitely preffered modular helmets, secondly modern helmets with pulltabs.

[@spcrowe]

The orbs blinding aura 😂😂

[@seanfarley8382]

A flip lid is useless off road if you are following other riders and its dusty. You cant breath and when you open the visor your eyes are inundated with dust. You need goggles. It really depends on the type of riding you do.

[@Motolegends]

Think I might have suggested that I was talking about adventure riders who ride mostly on road! CP

[@SpaceCitizenFaye]

Was thinking the same thing. No way I would flip that up adventuring the way I do, and flipped down there would be too much dust to breath. I actually did some adv like that in my Shoei RF1400 and it was miserable. I'm more interested in an Adv helmet for it's ease of use with goggles and much bigger air scoop on the front. But I guess ADV for some of these old farts just means TOURING.

[@sveinharang6639]

@@Motolegends I belive you made good arguments towards what I used to call "Touring", and the of these nowadays ride GS's not FJR's and VFR's. Hence the desire to look the part. I try quite hard to get both muddy, sandy and build a sweat, but there is usually some tarmac done before I get to the fun stuff.