Why Air Canada's Shortest Flights Exist

[@AlexPraglowskiAviation]

This may be the first time I've intentionally included a boat in one of my videos 😂 Would anyone be interested in a ferry trip report at some point? 🤔

[@Os-vr6qc]

I would quite enjoy a ferry trip report, sounds interesting.

[@ccudmore]

Love whale watching on the ferry between Vancouver and Victoria. I’d love to fly on Harbour Air when they get their electric planes (which are perfect for these short routes) up and running.

[@FinnTheCanadian]

Bc ferries are pretty cool

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

That would be cool. Alex, you already did at least one video on a rail trip.

[@TyNovakAviation]

Me!

[@Wes220]

I saw C-GANH at YLW a few days ago while plane spotting. (1:30)

[@ylw_planespotter]

Rare YLW mention!

[@cgj28ok]

Harbour Air is amazing. Downtown to downtown, no messing around. And there's nothing like the beauty of coming in over Stanley Park as you land in Coal Harbour.

[@ryan_alexander]

I wanna do it one day but it's so damn expensive.

[@EstebanJavornik]

This is literally the only way flying makes sense.

[@admc8]

I only take Habour Air. If you book in advance enough it just makes sense

[@niklasdanchenko3893]

can you do a video on why canadien air travel is so expenisve. thats something that i experience and am very curious about.

[@paulrenny4801]

For one thing, taxes. Canada has the highest airport user fees in the world and the airlines are not allowed to disclose or show this in it’s pricing. At one point, Toronto held the distinction of the highest landing fees in the world costing airlines 10x more than landing the same aircraft in Chicago. For that $170 the airline collects for a ticket from the island to the mainland, more than half that will be airport fees, security fees and various other taxes.

[@mariochegini7789]

Don’t forget about the general lack of competition in the Canadian market. In the US, if I want to go cross-country to Los Angeles, I can choose between American, United, Delta, Spirit, Frontier, Southwest, or Alaska, but if I want to fly from Toronto to Vancouver, my only choices are Air Canada and Westjet (or Flair, but their network is limited like Sun Country in the states). Air Canada pretty much dominates the market, and with that comes the power to set prices.

[@hynes0621]

@@mariochegini7789 not entirely correct. AC will get competition from WJ on any route worth flying. So while this is small competition it’s still competition and AC is not fixing higher prices as you say. The main reason is that the majority of Cdn flying is east west. In the US you can pretty much fly in any direction and fill an airplane. That’s creates economies of scale. Hence their lower prices and more airlines willing to jump,in and compete.

[@humphryshan9494]

Canada's population is also smaller and the country is less densely populated than than the US or Europe so many routes have lower demands which forces airlines to increase prices

[@ericbeaulieu4663]

Yeah taxes but when a flight from vancouver to montreal costs more than Calgary to st martin, we can ask questions…

[@CharlieND]

As a Vancouver Island resident, I gotta say flying these routes never gets old.

[@lilianreynolds7879]

Do they not fly into Comox anymore?

[@vicoastdog]

@@lilianreynolds7879 there's still flights to Comox, Campbell River, Port Hardy and Tofino. They just wouldn't be considered that short. Mostly that's Pacific Coastal

[@denelson83]

I've only ever flown on _one_ round trip between Victoria and Vancouver.

[@deltavee2]

I lived in Victoria back in the '70s and the harbour to harbour (Van./Vic) float planes were referred to as Scare West after a few incidents.

[@antonh1709]

@@lilianreynolds7879 Air Canada used to before COVID, and they still do put Vancouver - Comox flights into schedule, but that has never been materializing. I guess they do have an intent to return to the route, but the question is when - I guess when overall demand returns.

[@TheSkidrowyachtclub]

There was a direct, early morning Westjet flight from Victoria to Toronto. Gone due to pandemic. Man that was nice!

[@viscount757]

Air Canada also operated nonstop Victoria-Toronto for quite a while, most recently using Rouge A321 if memory correct.

[@amritpalbharajvideoproduction]

What was the ticket price for that?

[@TheSkidrowyachtclub]

Don't remember the price.

[@justinwalker5274]

I took that flight several times. It was usually just a bit more expensive than the itinerary with a stopover in Vancouver.

[@Mcode11Youtube]

I remember taking the flight from Nanaimo to Vancouver, I would recommend Harbour Air for nicer views, and maybe cheaper as well!

[@EpicJoshua314]

As someone who grew up in Victoria and worked for Jazz until COVID (I personally know the guys pushing out the Q400 at 2:00), I would only take Jazz or Encore to Vancouver if I was taking a connecting flight. Harbour air is the airline that I’d take if I had to go to just Vancouver. BTW, my mom nearly threw up on the 14 minute flight from YYJ to YVR on Jazz, though at the most it was just light turbulence!

[@FlightATC]

52KM!? Wow! I find that amazing because when you stand on the beach in Vancouver on a clear day your can literally see Nanaimo quite clearly. Really enjoyed this, Thanks.

[@chesterwang3070]

the airports are not in the same place as the beaches. If it was 52 km and you could see the other island, earth would have to be flat-

[@Rindiculousfun]

There are other gulf islands in the way so can't actually see unless you climb one of the mountains on Vancouver Island or are flying above Vancouver Island

[@FlightATC]

@@Rindiculousfun Not if you stand in Stanley Park. You can see past Gabriola Island to Northern Nanaimo.

[@robm3074]

As usual, a great Sunday morning surprise. Thank you, Alex.

[@MTAviationPhotoFilm]

I always ride the Dash-8 from YVR to YQQ. Nice little 15 minute flight

[@Boffin55]

I've actually been on a shorter Air Canada flight from YYJ; their old service to CLM & SEA. Air Canada (AirBC), Alaska(Horizon) and San Juan Air all operated a YYJ-CLM-SEA at one point or another on various equipment ranging from Cessna 402s (San Juan), EMB110 (San Juan), DHC6 (Air BC), Metroliner (Horizon), DHC8-200 (Horizon) & Do328(Horizon). CLM was a customs/immigration stop, took 10 mins, re-board, and you'd arrive at SEA as a domestic flight; but you could book it separately (and did on at least one occasion) YYJ is a very interesting airport; rarely do you see the mix of general light-aviation and jet traffic like you do at YYJ. When I was learning to fly, isn't wasn't unusual to be "#2 to the 727 / DC9 / 737 on final", or watch CPAir 737-200s doing pilot training. Also, the 7000' runway is a tad on the short side, and you'd watch a (back in the 80s) fully loaded 727 for YYZ takeoff on a hot summer day; use pretty much every foot. Also, YYJ does get wide-body traffic, up until a couple of years ago the YYJ-YYZ flight was on a rouge 763, and if you go far enough back there was even WardAir 747-100s operating YYC-YYJ-HNL.

[@Rindiculousfun]

0:41 So cool to see a video recorded from the exact spot I stand on a daily basis for work. As an islander and a flight instructor, this is the most up my alley video on all of KZbin.

[@egpx]

In 2019 I visited Victoria three times from the UK. Consequently I’ve travelled between Vancouver and Victoria several times, using BC Ferries, Harbour Air, Helijet and WestJet. The latter was to connect to a BA flight back to London. The Q400 had about ten passengers on board and took fifteen minutes. Cracking view though, including around Point Roberts, that odd little US exclave south of Tsawwassen.

[@Indoman_71]

Harbour Air in my opinion is the best as its harbour to harbour and I never get sick of the view.

[@egpx]

@@Indoman_71 I agree. Most convenient as well as most fun. Less expensive than Helijet too.

[@adammurphy6845]

I've been able to do all three ways of travel between the Nanaimo and Van......Harbor Air seaplane was my fav for the novelty of it and the fact it is downtown-downtown service......flying AC, as you say, is handy if connecting via YVR, like I have from SFO. Great video Alex!

[@cjmaviationvideography1720]

Great video Alex! Great to see the island and its unique air service get recognized!

[@marriedGary]

We should do a cost of airline travel in Canada video. It would be a fascinating video and discussion

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

Montreal to Charlottetown meant flying West to Toronto; then East to PEI in the 80s

[@Alexrocksdude_]

Great informative video! Nice to see that your production quality keeps getting better :)

[@brianmcdonald6519]

This brought back memories for me. I travelled from Toronto -Victoria in the early '70's going through Vancouver. The first time I was on a turbo-prop from YVR-YYJ! I think the airline was Pacific Western. At that time, the flight was scheduled for 25 minutes. I wondered what type of aircraft they were using now! Thanks for the video!

[@hwlee4514]

I take this route all the time! It's 11 minutes in the air :). The flight attendant just tells people "don't bother undoing your seatbelt the whole flight". It's a pleasant flight as it does not go above the clouds.

[@Indoman_71]

As an islander also taking this route often I can tell you Victoria to Vancouver is approximately 35 minutes air time - not 11 minutes!

[@hwlee4514]

@@Indoman_71 Ah! Sorry mate. You are referring to gate to gate. Up in the air is 11 minutes :). Just took the flight.

[@Indoman_71]

@@hwlee4514 You may have my old reply. Please discard that. This video talks about Air Canada and I'm talking about Harbour Air seaplanes. AC says its 30 min but it must mean gate to gate because both airports are close to the ferry terminals.

[@gmupps]

As a lifelong islander, I sincerely hope that a bridge never gets built.

[@shintyty]

I Live on pender island and I wish a bridge was built but I think it would be way to expensive and some parts of the ocean is nearly 300m deep which is too much for bridge

[@Dbodell8000]

Victoria and Nanaimo are Vancouver Island's two main cities! Love the Island it's so beautiful : )

[@jcbaily5559]

I really enjoy the music you play at the end....another great vlog....thanks!

[@darrenmiller5893]

My best VR-YJ time in the Q: 9 minutes. FYI: we used to do Campbell River - Comox on the classic. Too short of a flight to retract gear or flaps.

[@roundandroundmyworld]

Of course, if you fly onward to a third point, you certainly are not adding $170 to your ticket for that short hop! As an example, a Victoria-Toronto flight via Vancouver is usually the same price as a Vancouver-Toronto trip on the same flight for the YVR-YYZ leg.

[@karladelman6289]

I take the ferry more than I fly. I am a ferry enthusiast so a trip report would be pretty cool. Up until Covid hit I was usually on the ferries every week to two weeks. Best way between the island and mainland. Is not Edmonton to Calgary a short flight?? I thought it was less than 30 mins in the air when I did it once.

[@joncalon7508]

@Corey McDonald Add another 30-ish minutes to clear YEG and make it into the city as well...The flights between Calgary and Edmonton were much more convenient when the municipal airport was still in operation in Edmonton.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Lethbridge to Calgary should be shorter

[@karlossargeant3872]

Air Canada Shortest Routes sounds interesting this Video Keep Going Alex Awesome Video Man!!!!!

[@HoweDP]

YVR - YYJ my most familiar routes :) quick and enjoyable view as always.

[@dustinsemrok1162]

We just did this Nanaimo to Vancouver this last trip. The big thing is we did not have to pay for long term parking at Nanaimo. And once we were done off the plane we were home. Also you need to take into account that if going somewhere out of Vancouver Airport. Then we would need to book a hotel and come over the day before on the ferry and the same on the way home. Because the ferries dont go constantly and it takes a couple of hrs from Nanaimo to the Vancouver Airport with the ferry

[@nybotor1]

Love this one! You should do another video explaining why Air Canada and Flair Airlines used the A320 family and 737 on this route.

[@whaleoilbeefhooked3892]

The no-fly winter fog in Nanaimo let me down too many times, only rely on air in warm season. Thanks, if you do a ferry video...

[@dominicstewart1941]

My uncle is a pilot for harbour air!😂 you should really make a harbour air trip report! P.S the best seat is in the dhc3 vazar turboprop next to the pilot!

[@Scott757300]

When I travelled from Vancouver to Victoria, we used a bus service that leaves from the city centre, gets on the ferry and then drops you in Victoria. As a tourist to the area it was a fun trip, and the scenery on the ferry over was quite impressive!

[@denelson83]

Because some people think BC Ferries are too slow. Also, you forgot Seair. There will never be a fixed link between the BC Mainland and Vancouver Island anywhere near Victoria or Nanaimo. A fixed link would be much more feasible if it started up near Campbell River. As well, being an Islander myself, I do not consider it reasonable for me to pay more than $30 at the farebox to drive my vehicle aboard a BC Ferry. BC Ferries is part of our highway system, so the lion's share of its operating costs need to be paid for by our provincial taxes.

[@user-cf1se1kk5x]

My first flight was on a STOL (short takeoff and landing) Dash 7 from YYJ to YVR in 1985. That plane was airborne in about 10 seconds from a dead stop. Very impressive.

[@9999AWC]

Another excellent video! You know it's a lovely day when Alex uploads a video!

[@ChefJeffVancouver]

Nice! I’ve flown most of these routes. Always a spectacular view.

[@LostSonOfPluto]

I've flown the Vancouver to Victoria Route with Pacific Coastal several times. Sometimes you spend more time taxiing than actually in the air

[@Demosthenas]

I want to try Harbor Air. A float plane would be a very unique experience.

[@ransom182]

It’s the best way to get to the island!

[@hackimro]

What about Freight/Cargo between these two areas; it's not really mentioned and seems to be something to think about here...? Thanks for the interesting video/trivia... RRH, Boston, Mass.

[@maccanorton]

Thanks for making. I think if you include slightly fewer digressions it might be more fun to watch.

[@Berubium]

I once flew YVR-YYJ in a 757-200! Pretty big bird for such a small route. Can anyone guess which airline that was?

[@Boffin55]

Harmony.

[@Berubium]

@@Boffin55 you got it. It was a little puddle jump that continued on to HNL.

[@nonenowherebye]

I've flown this route a couple of times, just for the points. Years ago, I was 850 miles short of making Super Elite coming to the end of the year, back when the minimum mileage was 500 miles/leg. So, because we were heading to Victoria for the holidays, I grabbed a flight there and back, just to make across the line to Super Elite. The benefits of this status were definitely worth the $350 investment.

[@williamyqb]

amazing video Alex, very well researched.

[@johnoke1206]

I’ve seen A319’s/A320’s on YVR-YYJ a few times on Flightradar

[@rulinghabs]

My wife says you sound like robot. 😆😆

[@thatfloridian5719]

I don’t know why but this video is fun to watch I have watched it like 3-5 times

[@glengamble526]

I live in London Ontario and the flight from here to Toronto is a close second...45 mins.

[@kingmalric6571]

It's a shame that Air Canada doesn't fly direct between Victoria and Calgary anymore. For a brief time, there were four airlines servicing that route (AC, WJ, Flair and Lynx). With AC pivoting away from the west and towards eastern Canada, plus the Lynx bankruptcy, there's now only two servicing that route (and only WJ flying it daily).

[@madmanthan21]

This seems like the perfect place for a fast catamaran ferry, or even a hovercraft service, much faster than a normal ferry ship, and, when taking into account going to the airport, check in, and all that, it shouldn't be too much slower.

[@karladelman6289]

back in the late 90s or early 2000s they tried the Fast Cat ferries between Nanaimo and Horseshoe Bay. They were a flop. Did not like them. From Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal you hop on the bus that takes you to Bridgeport Station then you hop on the Canada Line to YVR it is pretty easy on the Vancouver side to get from the ferry to the airport. That is cheaper than a taxi.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@karladelman6289 they had foot pax service

[@cbrewitt]

The vehicle fast cats had so much wake at speed they washed out all the docks along the route. So, not fast. Scrapped. There have been several attempts to have a city centre to city centre fast cat foot passenger service with smaller ships, but the first attempt failed when the government demand something like six round trips a day from day one to get licensing, and the most recent and current was struggling to expand beyond one morning and one evening trip for tourists before corona upended everything. Locals travel slow on BC Ferries. People who have to be fast take Harbour Air or Helijet.

[@FinnTheCanadian]

Eh Victoria made it to a vid, The ferry travel is best for going to mainland it's self but if your travelling onward it's easier to start from Yyj

[@rorysinden6038]

Yep, the only time it makes a ton of sense to fly is connecting to somewhere else or taking harbour air/helijet to downtown, if that’s where you need to be.

[@Liam40]

The only time I would spring for a flight to the island is if it were a connecting flight, or a more tourist-focused flight not meant to actually transport but to really see the sights. In my opinion, when you account for all the messing around with airport security and layovers, taking the ferry is not only a quick affair but a beautiful one. Not only is it a fun little novelty to drive your car aboard the ferry, but it is also a very hassle free experience. Up on the sun deck, always pick the spot against the wall on the forward most portion of the deck. There will be little to no wind and you'll be able to see the beautiful ocean and coastline. The trip flies by and it's just generally a wonderful experience. Also, for those of you who are interested in boats and how they operate, being in a large truck that is first in line after a departure means you are first off the boat and get to see the bow open its doors, all the harbor operations, etc. It is a real neat experience.

[@octagonPerfectionist]

I've taken a flight between CYVR and CYYJ in a CRJ-1000 before! Only once though. Normally it's a Dash-8

[@bobthekobb]

Use to use the ferry, they need a amazing bridge now.

[@beefbrisket168]

Another short route: YOW-YUL. usually a Jazz flight, but sometimes a mainline Air Canada aircraft like a A319 or a A330

[@barontaylor7139]

I live right in behind the Nanaimo Airport

[@guilhermesilveira479]

Cool video watching from Toronto

[@joncalon7508]

I could've sworn that some of the flight hops in the Canadian arctic were even shorter...Given the lack of roads between some of the communities that aren't all that far apart as the crow flies...Whether they have scheduled flights or not, who knows.

[@nonenowherebye]

The distances in the Arctic are so vast, that I doubt this is the case. YVR->YYJ is about a 10 minute flight time on a Dash-8.

[@Cole-qn7pn]

the flight from Vancouver (YVR) to Comox (YQQ) is 136KM i believe that its the third shortest flight that Air Canada operates

[@BrodieMeeres]

I live in Victoria awesome Video Alex.

[@fredricunderhill204]

At near $60 Canadian per ferry trip, you could pay for a second vehicle in monthly payments.

[@jaysmith1408]

Moves to island Complains about being on island BC: Get over it

[@francoislepine4698]

I don't EVER hear people complaining. WTF are you talking about? Vancouver Island has got EVERYTHING...and then some.

[@Taco1011]

I really hope they never make a bridge across the Strait. Part of the experience of the area (for me at least) is that ferry ride. Being from landlocked Alberta, it's never gotten old. I love getting on the ferry. Planes are honestly the same way.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

I lived on the west coast for 26 years and now LOVE Alberta. The govt. ferries were the biggest joke. It took me 6 hours once to get from DT Vancouver to Nanaimo - on a Sunday - as a mere foot passeger. Helijet or fast foot ferries only (I used the, now defunct, ones).

[@Indoman_71]

As a born n bred westcoaster, I hope they don't either. Plans come up every few years about the latest plan to bridge and tunnel the mainland to the rock but it fades away. I also never tire of that ferry....been taking them my whole life and I'm creepin' on 50. Get on the sundeck, spark a fattie, crack a cold one...life is good.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@Indoman_71 having lived on the west coast for 26 years, that ferry is just a complete, miserable experience all in all.

[@Indoman_71]

@@ghostrider-be9ek I've been here almost 50 years and I understand if you drive on that thing shit happens sometimes. Even as a foot passenger, for the first time 2 years ago on Easter weekend, I had to wait outside the terminal as standby for a ferry to Mayne Island because other sailings sold out. We'll see what happens this summer.

[@g.a.8884]

Thank you 🌞

[@dabflies]

How long is the flight from YYY-YBC in Quebec? Just across the St. Lawrence. We operate that leg as a triangle YUL-YYY-YBC-YUL. We also do YVO-YUY as part of a triangle out of YUL (pre-pandemic).

[@AlexPraglowskiAviation]

Google Earth says YYY-YBC is 58km and YVO-YUY is 80km. I was thinking about mentioning those, but the Quebec service cuts are a whole other tangent that I couldn't necessarily fit into a 6 minute video!

[@erik_griswold]

I've seen lower prices on the YVR-YYJ route.

[@10lauset]

For these places, I prefer and have taken HarbourAir and their float planes.

[@andreforcier97]

I would do it just for the views! BTW, it is on bucket list! 👍

[@yota22r92]

I’ve flown from Nanaimo to van more times then I could count I made the flight over 30 times in 2019

[@Speedster___]

SFO - STS is America’s shortest route if I remember correctly

[@ianschiller9612]

Great information. Leave something new

[@Krxzy_Zar]

Yessir Victoria Gang

[@XxXNinjaFanXxX]

finally someone who can pronounce nanaimo correctly

[@georgebattrick2365]

...but keeps stressing THE as if it were THE most important word in the sentence

[@judgedredd8657]

Island born and raised... no bridge ever please

[@aidanw9378]

Vancouverite here, BC ferries are impossibly expensive. And don't tell me that they can't be cheaper. Look at the costs of ferries in the States. So much cheaper.

[@syjiang]

pIlots probably starts the landing checklist right after takeoff =)

[@RossoFormula]

That's actually what we do.

[@roachtoasties]

So the reason these flights exists are people need to get to/from Vancouver airport from/to Vancouver Island without schlepping on a long ferry ride. Why make a video about this when it could be explained in one sentence?

[@QuarioQuario54321]

Genius idea: UNDERWATER BRIDGE

[@RoyalMela]

Or a tunnel above water?

[@ryanaines6617]

I live on the island , we don’t want an underwater bridge, or a above water bridge

[@julianfell666]

What we want is a railway connection. A deep water port on the west side could be the biggest container port on the north west coast but only feasible if containers could be loaded to rail and hauled directly to where ever. It could replace the ferries for vehicles and passengers to the main land. Realistically a bridge system for highway use would run about $50 billion. Just not economic.

[@lmlmd2714]

$170 for a 60km flight? JFC, Air Canada - Why not take the firstborn son of every passenger as well, just to really let them know how keen you are to own their body and soul?!

[@Brick-Life]

tiny planes for a tiny route!

[@ktkat1949]

EARTHQUAKES!! that is why there will never be any but bridge!!!

[@professordogwood8985]

It's a shame BC doesn't have any high-speed catamarans.

[@julianfell666]

They built three aluminum ones in the 1990's. Using jet type propulsion. They didnt work. To save weight they had to red-line undersized engines which broke down frequently. They hit floating logs and had to slow down for significant portions due to wake problems. They should have converted them to conventional propellor propulsion, they would have been good ferries that way because they had a lot of capacity for their weight. But it was politicized. Built by NDP, the following Liberals wanted to banish them. So they sold them off for pennies in the dollar. One ended up at Malta (I think) and the others went to Bahrain (not sure about that either).

[@professordogwood8985]

@@julianfell666 I know the whole story, I was actually being a bit facetious; to be honest I really wish we had kept those fast cats. At the time I was quite young and didn't understand the entire political story but in hindsight, I thought they were politically sabotaged and pretty sweet boats.

[@julianfell666]

@@professordogwood8985 Agreed. With conventional propulsion they could have been used on the routes now being served by the new Salish class.

[@NineEyeRon]

Dash 400s, ohhh that’s my thing!,!

[@lannguyen-pu1db]

The ferry is a tourist asset. Big mistake to get rid of it.

[@cedricmeallan]

No mention of the environmental impact that a bridge would cause?

[@noahwilliams8918]

They could just omit security and make the trip cheaper and faster. What's someone gonna do, commit 9/11 with a Q400 with 1hr's worth of fuel in it? C'mooon. Up here in Alaska you don't need to go through security to get on a turboprop for a ferry flight to a neighboring town, because that would be ridiculous!

[@isaiahkruse7769]

Well I mean for three people and a car can be 200 dollars one way. Ferry’s are super expensive

[@rulinghabs]

It isn’t $200. Plus you need to get around the island. Victoria does not have a subway system and the airport is still a bit away from Victoria. The Ferry is actually a very nice way to go. Spend the extra for a reservation so you can replace and get there later. You can walk the deck sleep, eat at White Spot😋. Get work done. The views are wonderful. I once saw a whale as well.

[@Whateva67]

It would be about 110 dollars for a vehicle with 3 peeps

[@Indoman_71]

As of Spring, 2021: Vehicle under 7' high and under 20' long = $59.50 Foot passenger = $17.60 TOTAL = $112.30 ONE WAY

[@novembertheduck3575]

Why do you sound like TheTekkitRealm? 😂😂

[@MilesLougheed]

You forgot to mention the Washington State Ferry that runs From Anacortes to Victoria and is frequently cheaper depending on the exchange rate. Plan your trip right and fuel up south of the border and it's almost always cheaper than BC Ferries.

[@Draculapin]

Ukon is more to the west than BC

[@michellehughes3893]

🎉

[@michellehughes3893]

Your heterosexual accent was A nice touch

[@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION]

I wanna fly the heli the most

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

its noisy, but great views - also a bit cramped if its full

[@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION]

@@ghostrider-be9ek u flew it?

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION many times

[@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION]

@@ghostrider-be9ek cool!

[@johnproduction4430]

Montréal is the 2nd busiest airport

[@shreddder999]

That's really dumb. Regardless of the flight segment lengths, some will always be the shortest.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

The government is a giant pansy - no balls to stand up for what is clearly the obvious choice - a submerged floating tunnel. Norway is building at least 2 in the next 10 years and its population is the size of BC. Its not about money - we have the skills required, but weak governments. 15 billion for a bridge, yes - but a floating tunnel is FAR cheaper.

[@TheOwenMajor]

The proposed floating tunnels in Norway are even close to the same distance(Nor are they built). Max 2km compared to 50km. How is that floating tunnel going to fare when a mega container ship plows into one of the pontoons? 50km of tunnel being flooded is going to kill a lot of people.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@TheOwenMajor clearly we should stop building bridges and tunnels then - as there is too much risk. How many major ship strikes have there been in Vancouver on the Lions Gate bridge the last 80 years?

[@TheOwenMajor]

@@ghostrider-be9ek Most bridges aren't floating, nor are they submerged. None have stuck Lions Gate bridge... Because the pillars aren't in the water, the span goes from shore the shore. But also talking about bridges, the support pillars are almost always massive chunks of concrete, a bit different then a floating pontoon. Also if a bridge collapses you have 500 meters of dead people, compared to a 50km long tunnel of dead people.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@TheOwenMajor same with boats, you would not have 50km worth of open tunnel, there would be water tight fixtures in place that close sections off - also the size of the pontoons would be enormous and would require an aircraft carrier to destroy and even they - because they are somewhat mobile, instead of a solid fix, the pontoons are flexible and can absorb large impacts

[@TheOwenMajor]

@@ghostrider-be9ek I mean this all seems really great then. Do you have any examples of a project this size? I'm being sarcastic. The Norway example designs max out at around 2km, and the longest floating bridge(Much simple) is 2.3 km long(And in a lake) The longest bridge over water in the world is only 27 km long. You are not only talking about the longest bridge in the world by a fair margin, but also one of an untested design. Yeah, we are going to stay with the ferries.

[@jl3059]

The problem with the stupid ferrys are they have no problem making you wait for hours and ride for hours but you cant smoke or drink or do anything without some crybaby crying

[@michellehughes3893]

HACKERS

[@supermanhakka8614]

Since there are so many islands between Vancouver and Vancouver island, why doesn’t the government just build a bridge

[@kyleenglot9184]

It's only possible to do this in the northern area of Vancouver Island. That means you'd have to drive north of Vancouver for about 3-4 hours before you'd be able to cross over. And then for those living in Nanaimo or Victoria you have to waste at least 2 hours driving time from the north just to reach Nanaimo and then an additionaly 2 hours to arrive in Victoria. It's not possible to build bridges to Southern Vancouver Island which would be much more convenient as that's where Victoria and Nanaimo are situated. However there's about a 35-40 km distance from tsawwassen to the first set of islands (Galiano and Maine Island). The straight of Georgia is deep, super prone to seismic activity, it gets very windy too so bad that even the ferries sometimes have to cancel sailings because of how rough it can get. Time wise and money wise it makes a lot more sense to just take the ferry crossing or a flight from Vancouver airport.

[@WaterlooExpat]

Air Canada and WestJet use identical aircraft and charge identical fares to fly identical routes. These similarities provide more grounds for the two airlines to merge. A merger has been the inevitable outcome since WS followed AC and purchased the 787, and AC followed WS and purchased the 737 MAX. A restructured the Canadian airline industry will emerge as a result of the financially disastrous consequences of Covid-19.