Why Air Force Nurses Get Paid So Much

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This video is to show you how much we make as nurses in the air force. Air force nurse pay
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[@martymaranan7191]

Genesis, look on the bright side.. in Civilian world. A nurse work 3 days 36 hours and off 4 days. Extra 2 days work with other employer. A nurse in UCSF San Francisco makes $350,000. After 10 years. He goes home every night and no worry of getting transfer elsewhere. CRNA makes $300,000. In Las Vegas Nevada. Full benifits and retirement. Why join the Military Nursing?

[@genesis.kts_]

because everything isn't about money. I've done the whole travel gig in california and made a grip ton of money, but that didn't even fulfil my purpose in what i want to do. I've been a nurse for a long time and the last time I want to do is hate the profession because I have no passion in what I do any more. My 20 year retirement with the Air Force will be a lot better of that than a civilian because once I finish my 20 and get the experience i need to be a strong leader I don't need to go back to bedside and I will have so much experience to start a business, become a section chief, and who knows may be more. I'll give my life to this versus that which treated me bad for profit any day. Morale and principles over profit and unjust cause.

[@LKOO7]

@@genesis.kts_ fr most people do it for the money smh

[@yaya5tim]

My friend's dad is a retired army, he just retired this year after his 20 years of service, his retirement + disability and everything is $8000 a month, and he's only in his early 40s, he's now working at a military affiliate company, making a few K out of it every month, every month he's basically rocking over 12K easily, and with tons military benefits, he saved a lot of money with utility, rent, car loan, house loan. So if you're doing nursing, yes you're making 10k a month, after tax that's probably 7k left, minus all the cost of living in major US cities, which could be 2K-4K a month, left you 3K on your own expense, and you have to wait until age 59 or 60 something to qualify to take out your retirement money, military doesn't, you start getting that retirement money once your 20 years mark is reached, and you can do a civilian job until age 60, that military retirement pays until you're dead, if you tired at age 40-50 in military then work on a civilian job, by the age of 60 you're retired from your civilian job, then you're getting both military retirement pay and also your normal retirement pay(social security), you're pretty much hitting 10K a month until you're dead. But if you think life outside of military is better for you and since nursing job already offer you enough money and you're sure you don't need more, then sure do it your way with nursing is great, too.

[@cristiano4309]

“I go to work and it doesn’t feel like work!” I love that! Thank again!

[@teenabobeena2389]

Are you also an AF nurse?

[@depatie99]

"Tired of being treated like crap" .... well said !

[@anonymousdelta7339]

You know what though? You do what you love. I took a major pay cut to achieve what I’ve been wanting to do since I was a kid just like you and it’s worth it because we live up to that saying, “work a job you love and you’ll never work a day in your life”…(sorta). Good to see you again kuya Gen I haven’t seen your pages in about a year or two. Keep up the good work and stay blessed.

[@shemini850]

Thank you. So interested in being an AF nurse.

[@djeanevens]

Great video! Good to see that you are happy with the change. I have been an ED Nurse for 4 years, I have my BSN. I want to go to school for CRNA and I al considering the Air Force.

[@genesis.kts_]

So, the roadmap from ED to crna is VERY competitive. CRNA applicants in the air force is ICU preferred. Not saying you don't have a chance, but Air Force WILL prioritize nurses with ICU experience over ED. I've only met one person as an ED nurse to get in and they had every certification known to man, with an endorsement from their SGN.

[@djeanevens]

Thanks for responding! I found a school that will take my ED experience and I am now in the process of getting things together for the HPSP. I will comment on here with some news hopefully a year from now 😂

[@charm_777]

Excited for the Q&A!

[@nurseadrianern]

I’d love to hear some distinctions of how You are treated/respect/ patient behavior/safety etc that’s different from civilian world. Thank you

[@genesis.kts_]

I'm making a video on culture in the air force. I apologize that it has taken me this long to get to this. But it's coming.

[@cmpbstephai7082]

You're the only I person who admits that you get treated badly as a travel nurse. Its why I stopped doing it.

[@genesis.kts_]

not worth the money honestly.

[@nurseadrianern]

Happiness has great value. Also- big one- you get your healthcare fully funded- yes? Correct me if I’m mistaken. Great choice- Bravo 👏

[@356z]

Some things to consider, after covid, are military pay is competitive to travel pay before BAH. You get benefits (unfortunately new members lost out on the pension though). The military also moves you on their dime and for longer periods. Travel nurses move minimally and pay for it.

[@redcapote4760]

Are you saying there’s no more pension?

[@356z]

@redcapote4760 no more pension for new members. Its all TSP (or whatever each branch uses) which is setup like a 401K. Its beneficial for people that do less than 20 years though.

[@genesis.kts_]

Q&A comes out next week. Tried my best to answer your questions. Hope you are well.

[@d3r3kyasmar]

I was told not to join the airforce because the pay is way less compared to my civilian nurse job.

[@genesis.kts_]

if money is a point of contention for you to join, then you're joining for all the wrong reasons.

[@d3r3kyasmar]

@@genesis.kts_ thank you.

[@laurencebrooks7699]

On the enlisted side there are a lot of benefits that others pay out of their salary, so while I was AD, I started getting paid well when I was promoted to E6 and E7 paid great. Ive enjoyed this retirement check for 21 years and I now draw a civil service retirement check. Some enlisted fields pay a bonus, but many dont...I never got one, but that's ok. I worked in the Education Center while civil service and helped enlisted commission. I told many of them to search the salary on the outside, especially for those pursuing legal, chaplaincy, or medical fields. I know medical fields have bonuses and professional pay. I once saw the LES of a cardiologist whose pro pay was more than his base salary, so yes, you do have to pay for good talent, and that is definitely ok.

[@Jackie-wo2hw]

Hello, I'm currently an civilian LPN. I love how real this is! I'm just wondering what my rank will be when I join the airforce.

[@genesis.kts_]

Hello, You'll be rated as a 4N not a 46N. You will be enlisted. Some people come in as enlisted and get their RN to gain their commission.

[@abenasaaba9130]

You will be at E-3(ARMY) And have to choose 68C (LPN) if u want to remain in your field only if it’s available

[@CBApp-un1dq]

@@abenasaaba9130 Are you currently a nurse in the Airforce? I would love to ask some questions.

[@cahrljezerraagas5314]

Soon future nurse!

[@laquettaowens6120]

Sharing this with my daughter

[@d3r3kyasmar]

I am still brainstorming if its worth it for me to give up my civilian nurse jobs to become an airforce nurse.

[@teenabobeena2389]

I’m debating the same but I look at it this way…AF is not forever. If it doesn’t work out you can always go back to the civilian world.

[@autumnonpurpose]

@@teenabobeena2389and have all those benefits forever

[@scotthaan1046]

I am 4-year-experience RN who thinking about joining AF with big maybe. Thanks for sharing little bit of your life but O-3 making less than 3k biweekly is so much discouraging. At my hospital (CA), even newgrads make more than 6 figures a year, not to mention I get more than 5k biweekly after tax with two days of pick ups. I'm sure with your experience and master's degree, you will make much more than I do here. I'm afraid what kind of financial degrade I have to endure just to join AF. You mentioned, you like the work environment in AF but what exactly so much better there? I don't really hate my current workplace nor think you can't find one in civilian settings. Perhaps, you took your limited civilian & travel nurse experiences too deeply and thought it's always like that? I'm trying to convince myself to join AF for different experience in my life but I can't find a good reason why I should.

[@genesis.kts_]

I'm not going to sugar coat it, don't do it if you want it for financial gain. A lot of people join because of service. I did, and that's how i grew up. I've worked in 8 hospitals. The one i'm at now is 2nd to best. The financial gain over time for me is worth it because, again and i reiterate, it is not for everyone and when i retired i will have a good pension on top of disability with VA benefits. I look for the long term gain versus short. I don't care about money because I am financially set. Hence why I did travel nursing in earlier career.

[@corylee1800]

Hey i was wondering and i wanted to know if i can make more money there i am a nurse right now in kaiser permanente in Southern California making 67 hr and about to finish my fnp in 2 years and was thinking to join then with a master degree and see if its worth to join was wondering if i get paid pretty good and would i be able to get free housing with my family if i stay in base 0:39 0:40

[@genesis.kts_]

Please connect with me on instagram if you can @genesis.kts_ I will elaborate on how housing stipends works.

[@liberoAquila]

The real pay is significantly higher than nominal pay, as a large part of income is tax free.

[@genesis.kts_]

yes, BAH/BAS will make a difference!

[@liberoAquila]

@@genesis.kts_ yup, people are in for a rude awakening when they go to corporate America and realize they have to pay their own health insurance premiums and rent/mortgage!

[@kettacary]

What do you do if not Bedside? Thanks for sharing

[@genesis.kts_]

admin!

[@BigTXJohn]

You came in as an O3? I thought it was O1 for nurses coming in?

[@genesis.kts_]

7 Years ICU w/3 years medsurg tele; CCRN certification; and MSN in informatics = O-3 lol.

[@catdu2232]

I work as a dialysis nurse, making 13-1500/week, now 38 yo. I wonder how were you when you join.

[@genesis.kts_]

cut off age is 45 for medical. I joined and commissioned at 35.

[@bahorabunamyed]

@@genesis.kts_thank you for making such a great video. You mean joined as an O3 with a masters degree? I am commissioning at 35 and I have a masters degree too, I want to commission at O3. Please give me advice how to go about it?

[@genesis.kts_]

@@bahorabunamyed First step would be to reach out to a recruiter. You'll need to reach out to a medical recruiter not a regular recruiter. From there they will collect some information and will get you on your way. Do you have an instagram? I connect better on there versus here. I don't give out recruiting information on this platform.

[@YaniP-g7s]

Hey, how did you enter as an O3? I was told people who enter as an officer start as O1? I'm interested in joining as a nurse.

[@genesis.kts_]

I have constructive service credit at as civilian with my masters.

[@JuanRodriguez-qk4oi]

Can you elaborate on being treated like crap? By who exactly? And can you give some examples? i actually just got out the air force and I'm considering nursing. I was in maintenance when I was in. But basically being treated like crap by supervision made me get out. I would like to avoid that kind of toxicity again. I can take rude patients i see it as being part of the job. I'm also in California btw, if that means anything.

[@nigelwest5776]

First of all you are given an unbelievable amount of work and literally don't have time to complete it. You are required to do what I think a lot of people would consider degrading works constantly (wiping people's ass), and you can't just throw your hands up and say well I don't have enough resources because it's your license on the line and you are expected to get everything done and keep everyone safe no matter how many patients they give you. Most patients are relatively nice but a large percentage of them will be confused and have dementia and may try and even hit you. That's a piece of cake compared to the family members who watch you like a hawk and will get upset that you didn't bring their family ice water fast enough (yes we basically have to do waitressing too). I can't speak to management in the Air Force I just know on the civilian side of things you are treated as a very expendable cog and decisions about patient care not made by people in pt care. I feel someone burned out and I only been doing it 7 months and seriously consider and changing career fields completely. But maybe it's different in the airforce??

[@teenabobeena2389]

@@nigelwest5776very well said. Sad to hear that you’re only 7 months in and already over it. I’m hoping the AF is the place I’m meant to be.

[@genesis.kts_]

100% less stressful. I can do my job efficiently and not burned out!

[@123SmithJamie]

I am joining the air force as a nurse. Did I hear you correctly that they took away retention bonuses? Did they do this in other branches as well? Thanks!

[@genesis.kts_]

retention bonuses are only now only available after your first active duty service commitment. they didn't take it away complete, there is still what we call the ascension bonus.

[@teenabobeena2389]

@@genesis.kts_does that mean you only qualify after 3 years of service? My recruiter mentioned other bonuses being offered.

[@genesis.kts_]

@@teenabobeena2389 correct.

[@animationguy5020]

Coming as ICU nurse was the specialty pay not offered when you came in?

[@genesis.kts_]

It was, but because of the new fiscal year and new guidelines I wasnt grandfathered in.

[@kam1776]

Hey!! I want to join the Air Force after I get my BSN and pass my NCLEX. But I do want to get my masters in nursing education. Would they pay for it?

[@genesis.kts_]

Yes, Air Force has programs that will pay for your advanced degree!

[@kam1776]

@@genesis.kts_ also, would they pay my already existing student loans?

[@genesis.kts_]

yes if you opt for the student loan forgiveness it'll accrue for your time in the airforce.

[@kam1776]

@@genesis.kts_ thank you soooooo much for replying!!! You just solidified my decision.

[@ObjectivelyBias]

What’s the age limit?

[@ObjectivelyBias]

I’m 38 and start BSN cohort in august.

[@genesis.kts_]

45 for nurses

[@autumnonpurpose]

@@genesis.kts_oooh good to know

[@maxtorresperez9329]

I have aquesitos, according air force web Page it says 48 the age limit to join the air force as nurse. It is correct or am i wrong?

[@maxtorresperez9329]

Sorry the corrector, a question

[@MauricioCastro-s8q]

Hows the process

[@genesis.kts_]

which process, just clarifying lol

[@ruthtresil5793]

I’m a single mother without a support system but I’m very interested in enlisted as an RN, you think I should do reserve or active duty?

[@genesis.kts_]

hello. question, if you're an RN, why go enlisted? also, if you need balance especially with your child/ren you may want to consider reserve. At least with reserve you get the benefits still.

[@karlagutierrez8809]

Hi, any insights with regards to FNPs in the Air Force? Do they get transferred frequently in different bases?

[@genesis.kts_]

You have numerous bases compared to ICU. However, that means there are slim pickings for where you can go. FNPs are manned over 80% so it's competitive, especially the over seas bases. If you are in conus (in the states) you will be placed most likely at a large MTF (medical training facility) for your first duty station; it can be San Antonio, California, Las Vegas, Walter reed, or florida based on needs. From there, it will be a 4 year tour, then you will have the opportunity to put in for where you wanna go. As long as it is feasibly aligning with your career and goals the chief nurse for FNPs can make that happen. OCONUS (over seas) is a 3 year tour.

[@karlagutierrez8809]

Oh i see thanks for the info! All the best

[@EricFuentes-c5r]

How much time do I have left

[@blake_229]

I want to join the air force to pay for CRNA school

[@genesis.kts_]

i know a couple people who have already done it!

[@teenabobeena2389]

I want them to pay for medical school. I heard you have to be at least 2 years before they pay for any school.

[@genesis.kts_]

@@teenabobeena2389 that is correct. 2 years TOS.

[@teenabobeena2389]

@@genesis.kts_ I just passed MEPS. Supposed to report to OTS in August. Is it true we can pick up shifts as a “civilian” at other hospitals?

[@genesis.kts_]

@@teenabobeena2389 it is, however it needs to be cleared by your squadron. There is conflict of interest especially if it conflicts with what you are doing on the air force side. its possible.

[@erickamoraza8050]

I’m joining with my BSN. How much will I make bi weekly with lvn experience for 7 years as well

[@genesis.kts_]

you'll need to speak with your recruiter about that. my understanding is that the only experience counted is that of rn. lvn scope of practice varies in the air force.

[@alexquero5479]

Hello! I have a BSN and 4 years of experience as a hemodialysis Nurse. Also, I just completed my MSN and licensed and certified as APRN. To join the air force as a nurse, do I need a med-surg experience?

[@genesis.kts_]

Hello, yes. You'll need at the least, medsurg experience. Despite having an APRN, they want you to come in having solid experience. However, since you have your APRN, i would build that up to at least a year of experience then apply so you can come in as an NP not at a medsurg nurse.

[@alexquero5479]

@ thank you so much for replying!

[@PinoyMedic]

Hi brother I’m currently in the Army Reserves as 1LT 66S Critical Care Nurse. I want to lateral and join AF as flight nurse because we don’t have it in the Army (flight Paramedics does). Will I retain my current rank and does CCAT still need more nurses as of now? I work as Critical Care Transport Nurse in Civilian and I’m a former Paramedic.

[@genesis.kts_]

it should lateral especially if you have your CCRN and you won't need to redo your ccen. rank should retain if you plan on staying critical care and going ccatt.

[@kalog756]

Hi sir, if I am a new grad FNP passed boards and no np experience yet but with years of experience as an RN both in US and outside. Are they still going to consider my RN experience or just come in as a new FNP?

[@genesis.kts_]

simply put, no. np experience will only be counted if you have 1-2 years exp. they will tell you to apply as an RN not np.

[@kalog756]

@@genesis.kts_ outside RN experience considered po b or US experience lang?

[@genesis.kts_]

US experience only.

[@johnreodavis9282]

Could you explain how you were able to commission as an O-3 and not O-1?

[@genesis.kts_]

8 years civilian experience + masters, and 2 professiona certifications.

[@teenabobeena2389]

@@genesis.kts_I’m commissioning as a 1st Lt

[@genesis.kts_]

@@teenabobeena2389 nice! when did you find out?

[@teenabobeena2389]

@@genesis.kts_ last Friday. I’m soooo nervous. I have so many questions running through my mind. I’m nervous about OTS. I have no idea what to expect. Wonder if I’ll be deployed immediately following. I’m sure I’ll be relocated since there are no bases in my area. Hope to get a cool spot. I did hear that a lot of newbies end up in Texas but I don’t know 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ramongonzalez3103]

@@genesis.kts_ How much does an MSN count toward time in rank? I know experience is generally 0.5.

[@kam1776]

Also how long does it take to rank up?

[@genesis.kts_]

2 year increments! once you hit captain every 5 years before you start doing harder promotion boards.

[@Nico-ys6oc]

2700 every 2 weeks? What would be the requirement to be an O-4 or O-5?

[@genesis.kts_]

time in grade, SOS, and your specialty certificate. 5 years as a captain granted you do all the necessary things to pin.

[@Glodwra]

Hey Genesis I have a question. I had a kidney removed around 14, talked to an Air Force recruiter about it years ago, and he said it was a disqualification. I’m an LPN now working on my BSN. If I want to join the airforce as an RN, will I still be held to those same standards and do you know anyone with similar medical issues that got in, or got a waiver? Thanks

[@genesis.kts_]

There probably can be a waiver. I would touch back with a recruiter to see what they say.

[@matthewdoops4766]

Lol I’d never