Why Alan Turing Remains the Unsung Hero of WW2

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[@lindakay9552]

My son spent 7 years of his life being a "white hacker." Computer and game security was his life. Coding was his passion. Turing was one of his idols. He passed away at 19 from cardiomyopathy. He would have given huge props to this video. Much love to you for doing Turing's memory justice! 🥰

[@aryanjagtap313]

I’m sorry for your loss

[@lindakay9552]

@@aryanjagtap313 thank you so much.

[@factsdontlie4342]

My best friend has the same condition. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@jmcba2213]

@@factsdontlie4342these covid vaccines are giving too many heart issues

[@stankfaust814]

Thank you for sharing, really sorry for your loss though.

[@mollyersupermunchable]

Thank you for making this video. Alan Turing is a man with a story that deserves to be known. The thought of this video spreading his story even more, warms my heart.

[@kamalarif8979]

thas gay

[@mikeFolco]

They should make a movie about him.

[@coling3957]

@@mikeFolco they should make an ACCURATE movie about him, not the thing Benedict Cabbage-patch was in

[@jeffchad6481]

He was a pedophile btw

[@ethanselph3665]

@@coling3957 how dare you bring Benadryl Thundersnatch into this

[@dynad00d15]

Alan Turing is a freakin' legend! I first heard of him when i was a programmer, back in the early 2000s. I learned about his feat with Enigma when i was reading stories about WWII. When his name came up, i immediately stopped and thought : "Hey i know this name!" . I was immediately hooked on his story.

[@Chris-hx3om]

Then you need to watch "The Imitation Game"....

[@davidarundel6187]

I was taught about Benchly Park , and Alan Touring , along with the persecution he suffered post WW2 . Just think - if not for Alan Touring , we would have no computers . How far 'advanced' would we be now had Touring not committed suicide , due to poor attitudes by his community - an attitude that still hung around in the 1970s , it got worse in the 1980s .

[@ZERO_O7X]

Search for a "Geheim Machine" and you can buy a kit where you get two. One for you and whoever you want to send messages to.

[@braddo7270]

@@davidarundel6187 I mean... it depends where you mean. Britain hasn't been that bad for gay people since at least the 70s... I'm quite glad I was born in the early 90s and in britain. Wr already had decades of acceptance and by that point nobody batted an eyelid whatever you liked. Same to this day. May I ask where you're from??

[@braddo7270]

@TEQ Snukka... its nice to see so many know his name, his lifestyle and respect him regardless. He was also an atheist. Public enemy number 1 at the time 🤣 except he saved the public hahaha

[@RogueTurban]

one of englands biggest shame is what they did to alan after he saved the entire world

[@gristlybillow7050]

of england's shame there appears no end

[@coling3957]

someone like Turing in any other major nation would never have been allowed free. what he did going to the police was incredibly stupid. the police man tried to stop him but he kept on talking..... he had broken the law of the time. he'd lived in an ivory tower all of his life. noone knew of his wartime work, the Enigma wasn't declassified for decades after ww2. Turing is given perhaps far too much credit. there were thousands of ppl at Bletchley , all manner of academics, mathematicians etc he didn't work alone.

[@iniquity123]

Funny how things have changed in 60-70 years. My pronouns are ....

[@sergemcchampion5881]

@@iniquity123 😂😂

[@theUglyGypsy]

The movie kinda sold him out too tho

[@GIBBO4182]

The film with Benedict Cumberbatch in about this is worth a watch. Such a shame his life ended the way it did because of society at the time.

[@JaredLeesMom]

Excellent film! I highly recommend it as well. Tragic end to a truly brilliant young man.

[@clarkymark1042]

Imitation game if I recall correctly

[@GIBBO4182]

@@clarkymark1042 correct

[@punishedjesus8260]

Nice film but history accuracy is hot garbage tho

[@aldinsadic6453]

Currently lives continue to end in a similar or more violent way and trans people are suffering the same mistreatment all over the world. 🏳️‍⚧️

[@matthewread93]

It really upsets me that this wasn't taught in my school. I feel robbed of history and wish this man had his own holiday so we can celebrate the life of a man who saved all of our lives. Sleep well Alen and thank you for my life 🥺

[@chungfaame]

real

[@CatinaTheo12]

Alan Turing doesn’t get recognized enough. His story is one of tragedy and inspiration I first heard of him in The Imitation Game and became obsessed ever since. Hes a genius and if society wasn’t messed up maybe he would’ve been treated like the hero he was.

[@ludoviajante]

Thanks for this video! Your channel can make any subject interesting, I love it when you talk about history. You are an inspiration to me. Much love from Brazil.

[@Saint_Wolf_]

Alan Turin was one of the greatest minds to ever live, your video along with Veritasium's video about "the hole at the center of math" and Ahoy's video "Videogames, the nuclear fruit" are some of my favorite ones that tell you how his work influenced our whole lives as a whole.

[@Saint_Wolf_]

@@Krivvet and?

[@dunning-kruger551]

@@Saint_Wolf_ Turing.

[@HarryPairatestes363]

Agreed. Alan Turning was brilliant! Never could I forget his name!

[@tigerteff015]

Apparently his close school friend Morley was intellectually as bright or more so had he lived past 16 or so.

[@braddo7270]

@@Krivvet having his name misspelled doesn't affect his intellectual ability 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@trevorbevan587]

The Alan Turing story always fills me with sadness and despair. Your presentation, Thoughty2, is a fitting credit to this British Hero who is so often forgotten in our busy daily lives. I was only 7 when Alan was convicted and I can recall the scandal this case caused in the Press. Thank goodness the Queen was persuaded to Pardon all those who were cruelly treated by Society in what is now accepted as normal human interactions; where one person shares their affection with another. Thank you Thoughty2 for your continued interesting stories and all the hard work you go to, in order to bring us such intriguing stories.

[@xzavierryan2.072]

For some reason I feel like I’ve heard the name ‘Alan Turing’ before.

[@psycronizer]

@@xzavierryan2.072 and you'd be right, there is a hell of a lot of vids being recycled, copied, rehashed etc. all over the show here on YT, inevitably uploaders tend to run out of ideas , all the low hanging fruit is picked and then we are left with this type of thing...

[@happybear3706]

So where’s the colossus though? Where’s all the recognition for Tommy flowers and Bill Tutte who managed to crack the Lorenz cipher (which was used by hitler and his top generals) without ever actually seeing it? Which is far more impressive than what Turing and welchman did for the enigma which was already cracked by the poles.

[@boriss.861]

You need to talk about the Bricklayers Son! Thomas Harold Flowers, BSc, DSc, MBE (22 December 1905 - 28 October 1998) was an English engineer with the British General Post Office. During World War II, Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.

[@HeinrichDixon]

He wasn't even mentioned in "The Imitation Game", Boris. A disgraceful omission. 🍌😤

[@boriss.861]

@@HeinrichDixon I have not used a search engine, but I remember a BBC series (wash my mouth out with carbolic soap) with names documenting one of their heroes. I think Mr Clarkson highlighted this unsung character from the 1930's onwards.

[@HeinrichDixon]

@@boriss.861 "Inventions That Changed The World", BBC, 2004, presented by Jeremy Clarkson: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3a0lnt5p799o5I 🍌🙂

[@happybear3706]

And Bill Tutte, who cracked the Lorenz machine without ever seeing one.

[@psow4062]

Polish codebreakers were the first to: - reconstruct the internal wiring of military version of Enigma - successfully use math instead of linguistics (dominant approach at the time) - realize many things can be used to reduce the number of combinations to check (Enigma design flaws, German operator errors or laziness, beginning of the message starting the same or similar etc.) - build machines to speed up codebreaking Not long before the war Germans upgraded Enigma by adding 2 additional rotors. Previously, Poles could break the daily code in 2 hours, after this change it was still possible, but it took too long. Rejewski later commented that "we quickly found the [wirings] within the [new rotors], but [their] introduction ... raised the number of possible sequences of [rotors] from 6 to 60 ... and hence also raised tenfold the work of finding the keys. Thus the change was not qualitative but quantitative. We would have had to markedly increase the personnel to operate the bombs, to produce the perforated sheets ... and to manipulate the sheets". So the Polish codebreakers didn't have theoretical problems at this point - rather a resource problem (they couldn't reliably decode daily keys fast enough, but the theory and developed methods were still mostly good). Poles showed the British that with enough resources and correct approach (math + machines) it's entirely possible. So they hired some brilliant people (like Turing) and gave them a lot of resources and all the knowledge the Polish codebreakers gathered in 7 years. And they did an awesome job speeding up / optimizing the code breaking process. Think about it as a relay race - both participants were important to achieve the end goal, not just the one that run through the finish line.

[@mil0s251]

yes!

[@zacwoods]

Didnt know any of this! Thanks! Great backstory for sure and it definitely ties some things together i had questions about before

[@trevorbevan587]

So glad you reminded us of the work of the Polish Team , years before WWII. We often forget the great contributions the Polish made in WWII especially in their skills at the Battle of Britain when they flew our Spitfires with such bravery. I often feel that the British do not mention often enough, the Poles and the help they gave us during WWII. Without the Poles, things could have turned out so differently.

[@DavidPaulMorgan]

TBF Thoughty2 did mention the Polish contribution and the fact that there were many many complex contributions to the code-breaking. some luck, some social-engineering, some brute force - just like 'hacking & cracking' today. Fleming & Dahls 'counter intelligence' fictions (see Operation Mincemeat) also made a contribution to distract & mislead Hitler's high command.

[@trevorbevan587]

@@DavidPaulMorgan Yes, I absolutely agree with you David. Another long forgotten contribution from another country was the sacrifices made by the Russian people and their Army. But for the distraction caused to Hitler's aims at World domination, by the Russians, we'd be speaking in German right now.

[@bridgetsclama]

He was absolutely brilliant. It's a shame how his story ended. Thank you for this.

[@Sneaky_Echo]

Always enjoy watching your content! You have a great way of telling these stories and it's always so captivating! Keep up the great work!

[@johonybrawo7434]

You forgot that if Polish mathematicians wouldnt brake first Enigma code then Brithish one wouldnt Breake the Enigma 2.0 code. They just walk a path paved by Rejewski, Różycki and Zygalski ;)

[@SirZanZa]

and how do you know? if the polish can do it why not others? Engima 2.0 was a much more complex machine.

[@magmus2]

The work the Polish intelligence did was cracking a much simpler German machine in 1918, Alan cracked the vastly more complicated WW2 German machine, he did have some help but most of it was done by him.

[@peterpan4038]

How exactly did he forget something that was explicitly mentioned in the video?

[@happybear3706]

Because that imitation game movie is completely wrong. Alan Turing didn’t crack enigma by himself because he had an army of people working alongside him. Gordon welchman (who isn’t even in the movie) who helped Turing co design the bombe machine that was built by Harold keen admitted that if it wasn’t for the poles, the enigma team would of never gotten off the ground.

[@happybear3706]

Also, So where’s the colossus though? Where’s all the recognition for Tommy flowers and Bill Tutte who managed to crack the Lorenz cipher (which was used by hitler and his top generals) without ever actually seeing it? Which is far more impressive than what Turing and welchman did for the enigma which was already cracked by the poles.

[@feeterican]

Funny how I end up knowing about these fellas is by what gen Nvidia GPU I get. The 20 RTX series was named after Turing, the 30 RTX line is named after Ampere. Then Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell to name some of the older gen cards.

[@jackwinter1507]

Pascal as well, however I don’t know who Maxwell is, do you?

[@jianng7795]

@@jackwinter1507 James Clerk Maxwell I imagine.

[@roax206]

Then arguably the best is coming with the 40 series named after Ada Lovelace. SHE is credited as being the first programmer and supposedly writing a thesis as to the use of computers for more than typical math calculations in the "notes" section of Charles Babbage's Thesis on his Analytical Engine. According to some stories, the "notes" section was 3 times longer than Babbage's original paper and added when Ada translated the paper into another language. All this almost 100 years before Turing.

[@feeterican]

@@roax206 I could agree, just hope to get my hands on one when they release and I really hope the power requirements are exaggerated. I did just get a 1200W PSU but the heat might be a possible issue. :)

[@nickevershedmusic8927]

Rest in peace Alan Turing, you were an incredible man

[@psycronizer]

do you know why they buried him with his bum sticking just out of the ground ? it was so his mates could slip around for a cold one...

[@felicitybywater8012]

RIP Turing, you bloody legend.

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

and a bumder

[@jessiehuynh7495]

No piece to him he was gh3y.

[@mayuri4184]

Alan Turing: Is essential to winning WW2 via computer development. British Government, after WW2: Y r u gae?

[@ana-zb7ix]

Exactly

[@ana-zb7ix]

Sad af

[@petschitt2252]

Thank you for covering the remarkable Alan Turing! 😻 A man that did so much to ensure our safety today. Most know of the "Turing Test" but not many know how Turing, himself was tested. Cheers 🍻😺

[@daniell1483]

Alan Turing is a hero of the highest level. Perhaps he didn't have superpowers or a superhero name, he nonetheless is a man whose life saved others. Literally in the case of breaking the Enigma Machine, and then posthumously with Alan Turing's Law. WW2 is strangely dotted with so many tiny points upon which the fate of the world turned. Turing is one of those points in my opinion. Imagine what would have happened if he hadn't worked in cryptography? Or if he worked for the other side of the war? I think the video is absolutely right in saying Turing was a sort of weapon, not unlike Oppenheimer.

[@perrrry]

"The Royal Navy captured German U-boat U-110 on May 9, 1941 in the North Atlantic, recovering an Enigma machine, its cipher keys, and code books that allowed codebreakers to read German signal traffic during World War II" This was the real breakthrough. They actually had the machine at their hands.

[@barneyrubble9309]

they also raided German Weather ships in the North Atlantic and got hold of Code books

[@uteriel282]

yea not to say turing didnt do incredible work but untill the allies got their hands on an enigma machine, the cipher keys and code books their decryptions didnt go past guess work. which was better than nothing but at best they managed to get one out of thousands of messages correct.

[@tmf866]

Yeah. When they got it, they sent it to Turing, who found that without ever having seen one, he had correctly figured out how it worked.

[@tmf866]

@@uteriel282 It wasn't that they failed with 999 out of 1000 messages. It's that it took some time for even the machine to figure it out, so they literally didn't have time to handle all the messages they got. For the ones they thought might be important, they were incredibly successful once they actually made the decision to work on it. If they had 1000 machines, they could have had 1000 times the success rate.

[@adrianfrr310]

As a computer scientist, and someone who did quite a bit of work in post grad crytpo research, I already knew lots about him but watched the video anyway because I knew you would make it very entertaining. Good work, as usual!

[@crippninja4664]

I don’t know if it’s because of my suggestion that I made to you within the last few weeks or so but either way I am so happy to see you do a video on Alan Turing and I am incredibly grateful. Thank you so much for doing this.He really does truly deserve it and I think the world owes him a great debt of gratitude and we should actually be celebrating a holiday in his honor. It’s just so sad with the world did to him instead. We definitely need to redeem ourselves and give him The acknowledgment he so unjustly denied to him. I just subscribed. The end actually made me tear up a little bit. 🍻 cheers mate. You did an incredible job, thank you. #AlanTuringDay

[@kennedy9464]

Fantastic. Loved this. Can't get enough of your content.

[@Earth_Being]

Arran you are an inspiration for "Discipline" man 💪🏻 ❤️ May Thoughty2 brand grows beyond limits 📈

[@Gemini540]

Well that's my evening sorted! :D Nice cup of tea and a notebook on hand! Thank you for being the most consistently brilliant channel on the platform at the moment Thoughty2!

[@ismarwinkelman5648]

My thoughts exactly!

[@birdflipper]

Check out Why Files for more great videos like this!

[@marc_frank]

why a notebook?

[@ismarwinkelman5648]

@@marc_frank Why not? Personally I find it most relaxing to take notes whilst listening to Arran 🙂

[@Gemini540]

@@marc_frank I like to make notes on subjects that fascinate me so that I can discuss them accurately with my friends later on :)

[@jonathanmunz]

As a fellow Computer Scientist, Alan Turing has always been a hero of mine. Another video well done.

[@insidiousbeatz48]

Finally another video, the time between these is getting longer and i appreciate you're busy but i miss them and appreciate all your effort. Ty

[@JoseRodriguez-zk2jj]

Glad you're making new and great videos! One of my favorite Brit's

[@TheJammyboi]

Really is a disgrace how this man was treated after all he did for the world.

[@KipIngram]

Unspeakably disgraceful, and on top of that unbelievably . Killing the golden goose, and for the most absolutely ridiculous reasons.

[@markalancampbell]

Love your videos. I really look forward to watching them. Keep them coming.

[@jeez297]

Many great new insights on a known topic, beautifully delivered. Thank you

[@GayFrogsTho]

Alan Turing's story deserves to be up there on the podium of eccentric British geniuses. It's a travesty what happened to him.

[@TeddysTube]

Author Roger Bristow, while researching for a new book; "Boffins, Bombs, Boats and Balloons", unearthed Turing's post mortem report, and found that although the report officially concluded that he died from cyanide poisoning, the final sentence that the pathologist who examined Turing’s body wrote in his report was “Death appears to to be due to violence”. - The "Snow-White-Poisoned-Apple" version has often been used to emphasize the tragedy of the injustice done to Turing.. Personally though I much suspect that the original intention of that tale rather was to smear Turing's name, by painting in gross colors just HOW much of a "fruit" he was. (This was the early 1950s) - For whatever reason, it would seem that Turing was beaten to death, but the official report wrote it off as suicide, in such a way as to discourage any sympathies.

[@smhaceofspades2813]

Well he should of been rethinking his actions otherwise I see no issue with his case.

[@victoriaeads6126]

I am in no way surprised by your assertions. I wouldn't be completely convinced without documentation (yes, I understand that much has been destroyed), but, knowing what can be affirmed, it makes disgusting sense.

[@psycronizer]

shouldn't it be "Boffins, Bombs, Boats and Balloons and buggery" ?

[@Moon_animation_studio]

As a computer science student myself, I know how hard it is to code and program. It is something not everyone can do, Alan Turing's skills were much more than remarkable it was truly a feat of unreachable heights.

[@diegolatorre6793]

The best part of your videos is the type of humor you introduce. Storytelling is remarkable.

[@igiem368]

Hi thoughty2, I’ve been a fan of your channels for quite a while and I just wanted to put an idea forward for a video. Look into a samurai named Hasekura Tsunenaga. He is a Samurai to have travelled to Spain through Mexico around the 1620s.

[@bestdadakasongoku4157]

Damn that was an unfortunate ending, probably one of the brightest minds we’d ever seen and he was murdered for something he couldn’t even control.

[@HeinrichDixon]

He committed suicide! 🍌😤

[@dahken417]

Why the banana? I must know! Also, I think they meant 'murdered' in the philosophical sense; he only committed suicide when he did because of difficult life circumstances that an outside force intentionally visited upon him. After he made huge contributions to stopping the enemy, which potentially saved Britain.

[@HeinrichDixon]

@@dahken417 A tribute to a very special friend: It represents a soft 'toy' banana she gave me. 🍌🙂

[@justamanofculture12]

What about Alan Turing? This has been happening with geniuses for centuries.

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

@@dahken417 suicide isnt murder

[@Jibb3rs]

Keep up the good work mate, i learn something new everytime you post a video

[@StarslightAndDreams]

i have been waiting for this one! i was looking for a video about him and was surprised to not finding it on this channel!

[@joz6683]

I would love you to cover Tommy Flowers, the engineer behind the 1st computers and how he had to pay for parts himself. He is truly the forgotten man of world war two Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages. The fact that Britain had the lead in computing and the government ignored Flowers and gave away the lead to US companies. Remember this from computer Studies in the late 1970's early 1980's.

[@chrispbacon4519]

Great work Arran! I would only add that at 7:30, 1.6 light years is shown as about 10 or 12 astronomical units - it's actually more than 63,000 AU! Which would mean you'd have to shrink the whole solar system down to a barely visible speck to fit it onto the screen and put the 1.6 LY spot on the other side.

[@tommymarco]

nice catch , i was wondering for a second there !

[@Gmcworrior1]

Thank you sir for bringing to light these sung and unsung heros to light.

[@davidcarroll1991]

I wish he could post 2-3 times a week 😞. I’m constantly checking my notifications for a new Thoughty2 video. I just can’t get enough of this wonderful channel

[@BMrider75]

Minor correction : At 6.35 you have the example of SHRRK ------> HELLO But, typing the same letter on Enigma twice will never produce the same letter deciphered. The RR to LL is wrong. Smiles

[@anthony346]

Amazing documentary as always. Though i do believe it's important to note that although an advocate for his invention, Turing wasn't the sole mind behind It, I know you mentioned a few others briefly but there part was far more substantial than you gave credit for.

[@smith167]

I agree, this video should have been an hour long, giving more credit to the polish code breakers and go into more detail of Turing's work on computing contributions, because today to the general public is more widely known as the guy that broke the enigma machine rather than quite simply the father of modern day computing.

[@MrSuspicious0]

@@smith167 Well whether you like it or not, Alan Turing IS the father of MODERN DAY computing. The father of the computer in general is often regarded as Charles Babbage. Some of babbages core ideas are present in the foundation of modern hardware, but Alan Turing paved the way for people like John von Neumann to make his thought experiment a reality.

[@deehinker1848]

I loved The Imitation Game so much! Benadryl Cucumberbait's acting as Alan was superb!

[@lorrainemoynehan6791]

Alan Turing was born in Maida Vale, but the family moved to St Leonards as a child, where St Michaels was his first school. His prep school was in Frant (just outside Tunbridge Wells) so while it is true he cycled to Sherborne, he did the journey from st Leonards (East Sussex) rather than London.The distance is 176miles. What a legend

[@KamikazeMedias]

TIME TO CORRECT ONE THING: ALAN TURING WORKED ON 95% OF WORK DONE BY POLISH INTELIGENCE.

[@KamikazeMedias]

@@Memovox all we can do is to fight lol

[@KamikazeMedias]

@@Memovox i will send ya to a fitness club and make you lift for that comment lol

[@KamikazeMedias]

@@Memovox me? A brit? Buahahaha. I'm a proud slav lol. I will drag you to a fitness club

[@KamikazeMedias]

@@Memovox You are afraid?

[@KamikazeMedias]

@@Memovox yes you are chicken.

[@dbunik44]

Turing was not the only one who helped break the enigma machine neither was he the "Hawking" of mathematics, others who helped break the nazi code need to remembered by history

[@SirZanZa]

you know nothing

[@happybear3706]

So where’s the colossus though? Where’s all the recognition for Tommy flowers and Bill Tutte who managed to crack the Lorenz cipher (which was used by hitler and his top generals) without ever actually seeing it? Which is far more impressive than what Turing and welchman did for the enigma which was already cracked by the poles.

[@Mialikesthings]

@@happybear3706except that the poles broke a much more simpler version of the enigma they helped he’s but too put done Alan’s complex work then you would be nothing but ignorant

[@elroddel4682]

Great video, I knew most of this but you went into more depth. Thank you

[@tprincipato]

Another excellent addition to the library. Bravo

[@WinVisten]

Sure, pardoning and apologizing to someone who's already DEAD will mean a LOT! Turing was a man who deserved to be treated infinitely better than he actually was.

[@this_is_ironic5659]

Rest In Peace, Alan Turing. You were a hero in the fight against fascism, and you didn't deserve your fate. I'm so sorry about the way they treated you.

[@pelculator]

Very informative video, thanks. A good number of years ago when studying at university, i was tasked to write an essay about Turing. This was basically pre-internet as that was not available to the general public. Also, internet was restricted at the university due to, let’s say, questionable events the prior year. I was stuck at a poorly stocked library, with little or nothing about Turing. Shame. He was by all means the greatest inspiration for a computer science student.

[@plipiethefish8174]

I went on a trip whilst at college to a computing museum in england. We got a tour and we saw an actual enigma machine. They gave use a full presentation about it and I'll always remember how lucky I am to see such a part of history!

[@itaylorm]

I didn't know about the questionable details about his death. Sad if someone decided to kill him. What haunts me is what he could have accomplished with almost 40 more years of life.

[@tommymarco]

that took a dark twist . had no idea as well . what a remarkable man .

[@YuvrajSingh-vc7ho]

I would pay to see this guy in a video just drinking wine from a wine glass in the most British etiquette 😂

[@psycronizer]

yeah it's what comes after that, that would gross most people right out...

[@YuvrajSingh-vc7ho]

@@psycronizer ?

[@yungjeddy]

@@psycronizer weirdo

[@Soooooooooooonicable]

He's right up there with Churchill as one of the greatest Brits. It's great that he's started to get the proper recognition he deserves.

[@MathLilly]

No. No way his life ended so sad. Dang. I'm in tears. The computer has help connect me to community many times. To see the founder of the science rejected by his is heartbreaking.

[@fattiger6957]

The thing that ruined the Imitation Game movie was the scene where Turing and his friends, not the commanders, decided how the Allies would deal with the information they decrypted. It was such a monumentally stupid and unrealistic thing that it ruined what was a great movie. I don't know what producer thought it was a good idea, but they were idiots. (yes I know the Allies had to be careful with how they reacted to the information. What's stupid in the movie is that Turing was the one to decide.)

[@leviathantoobz]

Alan Turing is an amazing person and the end of his life was so tragic. God rest his soul.

[@PrairieWolf62]

@Roman Black Pee Dough spotted. Deviants are geniuses? Tell that to yourself, gr oo mer

[@1998_Pat]

Arran, you did it again! Awesome job, thanks for mentioning the input of Polish enigma code-breakers in this video! :))) My next proposal would be a story about 303rd "Tadeusz Kościuszko Warsaw" Fighter Squadron who fought pretty well in the Air Battle for England and then were not invited to the victory parade in 1946 :/ 'Western betrayal' may also be an interesting fact to mention ;) Peace and love!

[@ElDantae]

Thanks for uploading!!

[@magnificus8581]

Funny, I just watched the Imitation Game a couple days ago. Good movie, but many historians believe that their contributions are overrated and the efforts of others, particularly the Poles have been passed over. Not sure, not an expert, just what I've read when researching the accuracy of the film.

[@SirZanZa]

poles broke a much simpler pre 1920s version not the vastly more complex ww2 version

[@happybear3706]

So where’s the colossus though? Where’s all the recognition for Tommy flowers and Bill Tutte who managed to crack the Lorenz cipher (which was used by hitler and his top generals) without ever actually seeing it? Which is far more impressive than what Turing and welchman did for the enigma which was already cracked by the poles.

[@braddo7270]

As a guy who likes guys, I genuinely fell prey to the whole fantastical (and probably liberal) version of events and really thought it was an established fact that that's the reason he died. I didn't know it was debated. I'm from Manchester and go to the Alan Turing garden often. The story we are told is different depending who you ask. Thanks for clearing it up! It's hard to see through the political fog nowadays... and that's why I watch you!! 👌✌️ thank you for looking at history objectively on behalf of us all. 🙏

[@this_is_ironic5659]

He was chemically castrated for being gay, mate. That's the conservative take on this story. Don't delude yourself.

[@braddo7270]

@@this_is_ironic5659 he chose between that and 2 years imprisonment. I know which I'd choose. He didn't have to have that done, and 2 years imprisonment is nothing compared. Therefore he wasn't required to do what he did. Therefore he made the decision that lead to his deat. I'm a gay man and an atheist just like Turing. I know how I'd have dealt with the situation ✌️👍

[@MrReymoclif714]

Cottaging was the charge.

[@sleepingbear1889]

Two of Britain greatest mathematicians never received the credits they deserved in there lifetime Alan Turing and Ada Lovelace, both brilliant but didn’t fit in the worlds they lived. Both should be national heroes ❤ ❤

[@timmytschudi7622]

I just bought the audio book for stick a flag in it. And you sir. Have no idea how excited I was when I saw that you yourself did the narration !!

[@doommaker4000]

Funnily enough, I am wearing a tshirt I won in a cryptography competition and it has on it the people who are responsible for cracking enigma. Wait, people? I thought Turing was one person? And what's with their unpronounceable names...

[@adventuresofdeankane3569]

Before he broke the code a young girl divised a system to sink subs and porotect convoys and it worked the first depth charge was a kill She is well worth reading into

[@lythd]

do u know the name so i can research that?

[@101Mant]

@@lythd the UK had a department to basically wargame how to fight the U-boats and they came up with loads of successful tactics. They started training the British Navy officers, you would play the game "blind" with just the information you would have. There is a story about a senior officer losing and asking to see their opponent who was a young women who worked there coming up with the tactics. When the US joined they were offered to participate by the Admiral in charge of the convoys hated the British and ignored everything they had learned and so the Americans took large losses from the U Boats initially.

[@officially_jb3018]

I've been there. One of my favourite school trips. I loved it soo much and it's incredibly fascinating. I encourage everyone to go watch the movies about Bletchley and alan turing!

[@dtaylor10chuckufarle]

Thanks for mentioning the Poles, Old Boy. Their contribution is often overlooked.

[@kingpuppet5881]

He was an incredible man and his country let him down immensely , simply for being a gay man. As a gay man I just want to say that your sexuality does not define you. In fact it's probably the least important part of what makes a person, their sexual orientation I mean. It's heartbreaking what happened to him. I am so glad he has got the recognition he deserves, a truly incredible man.

[@curtisbryce5096]

Try telling that to Hollyweird and all the gay activists.

[@Ice.muffin]

@@curtisbryce5096 Ikr. I agree with the OP tho.

[@kingpuppet5881]

@@curtisbryce5096 Erm you are being a tad homophobic are you not? If not, what do you mean precisely?

[@curtisbryce5096]

@@kingpuppet5881 Maybe you should reign in your criticisms and labels. before we talk. Calling someone "Homophobic" is so off the wall ridiculous. I mean really, what is there to fear from "homosexuals"? Can you honestly tell me there is no "Gay" mafia in Hollyweird and on Broadway and they don't have an agenda?

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Thus proving the point. You must tell us won’t you? Nobody else does.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

The Enigma code was cracked before the war in Europe even began, and not at Bletchley Park, but in eastern Europe (I don't recall if the work was done in Poland or in Czechoslovakia). However, it took a long time to decode a message, because the decryption process had to derive the initial settings of the Enigma's code wheels from the coded message alone. Turing's huge contribution was to invent algorithms for cracking the initial settings that could be actualized in the form of a machine - initially the Bomb, and, later, Colossus.

[@jamesslick4790]

Poland. It's covered in this very video.

[@Bjowolf2]

Andrew Hodges book "Alan Turing - The Enigma", on which the movie "The Imitation Game" with Benedict Cumberbatch & Kira Knightly was loosely based, is a really great read and explains all these technical things in much greater detail in an understable and fascinating way.

[@kyallogideon8625]

Good work,,,very detailed...captivating....Alan Turing is such a Genius n a Revolutionary...

[@Leymora]

Alan Turing: *"I am not a robot ✅"*

[@RiseAgainstDisciple]

Enigma was broken mostly by 3 polish mathematicians; rejewski, rozycki & zygalski

[@naminea2480]

Exactly!

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Then...why was Turing given credit?

[@Emdee5632]

In the end Enigma was maybe broken by how punctional the Germans themselves were. Its messages always followed a certain ''grammar''. The famous movie goes into this somewhat, but not all the way.

[@SirZanZa]

They broke a much simpler version of the enigma the one created in 1918 not the vastly more complex 1939-1945 version why would the Germans use a machine they already knew was defeated.

[@adamk.4767]

Thanks to the invention of the cryptology bomb, Poles coped with the Nazi code until 1938, when the Germans improved enigma, but the method they invented remained the same, the only problem was increasing "computing power"

[@benmcreynolds8581]

What he achieved, with comparison to the technological capabilities of his era. Is nothing short of the jump from regular computer CPU's to Quantum super computer technology getting invented and built. It takes someone, able to look at something in such a new and unique way, while equally having a work ethic that will actually make that idea come to life and be built and work thru the trial and error process, the learning of the technical and mechanical technique's process and coming out of that entire thing with a working, ground breaking invention. It is very impressive. Very very impressive. Only very rare and gifted geniuses come around ever so often and actually achieve a achievement of this magnitude. It's very special. Bravos 👏🏻👏🏻

[@DKQuagmire]

i remember on a holiday flight i had once, flicking through all the available on flight movies on the tiny screen in front of me (on the back of the chair in front of me), when i stumbled upon "the enigma machine". i watched it, and i was deeply fascinated by this guy and the machine he build, but also felt really sad for the suicide portrait at the end of the film. just before the credits rolled. the screen goes black and the viewer watching the film are given a brief context in writing, into how he influenced many things in the future, such as the alan turing law and so on, which was pretty cool.

[@Cander617]

All he did for the world and we repaid him with accusations and humiliation, what a shame.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

According to my American upbringing, it's his fault for being who he is

[@Cander617]

@@Dave_of_Mordor thats bs my experience is people we're just not as evolved and accepting now they are more so. Look at the difference between how gay people were treated then vs now much different because we got less ignorant and more accepting, nothing wrong with growing as a society.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@Cander617 evolve and acceptance? You mean in just two states? California and New York? What other states in America has the majority accepting gay people?

[@Cander617]

@@Dave_of_Mordor its much better than it was everywhere as far as society accepting that type of thing. "According to my american upbringing".. unbelievable, people are so damn ungrateful for those who have died so people like you can type your ungrateful little messages on your 1000$ phone safetly in your nice home and talk about how bad your american upbringing is.

[@antiabrahamicreligion]

@@Dave_of_Mordor be happy atleast what u have im from india

[@canturgan]

He wouldn't have been able to do any of it without the help of the criminally overlooked Tommy Flowers. He went to a state school and never went to university, he worked for the Post Office. He was self taught and created Collosus, the first electronic computer.

[@smith167]

and Tommy flowers would have never been able to create the colossus if Allen Turing had never published the first mathematical proof of a computerised code known as "101100011" which every electronics gadget on earth runs to this day.

[@canturgan]

@@smith167 Yes, a meeting of minds. What are the chances of that happening? I'm sure they could have worked that out too.

[@smith167]

@@canturgan my point is they both great who literally changed the world and flowers deserves a lot more credit than he gets, but I still maintain that Turing's contribution far exceed that of Tommy flowers. like I said everything runs on ones and zeros and that was quite simply genius since it didn't even exist before Turing publishing his papers, as far as I know. maybe I am completely wrong lol

[@canturgan]

@@smith167 He was an actual genius. His treatment from the authorities was a national disgrace.

[@xLucy_Hx]

There's a statue of him in Sackville gardens in Manchester UK where there's a QR code that if you scan you can hear him speak. It's quite cool

[@virk2316]

pleaseeee post more Aron, love your videos mate

[@marcinmichalec3809]

Its worth to know, that enigma was decrypted by team of Polish guys: Marian Rajewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski. NOT by Touring. We all know how history is scamed, but keep in mind: its the chosen nation that saved you all once again, and not the last time. And better pay respect so we will be willing to do it again. And you know you will need it soon

[@MrHellknightimp]

Commenting before I watch, are you going to talk about the teenage boys?

[@MattyEngland]

Probably not (I'm at 4 mins lol)

[@lilyflower91]

Do tell?

[@danielschenck2903]

I love your videos! I always eagerly await the “bot…” because I know a great twist is coming.

[@flamechick6]

Just finished watching The Man In The High Castle. Loved it . Piqued my interest here

[@editorrbr2107]

One of the most shameful moments of post-war Western history. The symbolism of Turing’s treatment is as awful as the treatment itself.

[@grzegorznaskret4453]

Check who was Marian Rejewski 👆

[@275Vet-RLTW]

Such a sad story. People always talk about "the good old days" they don't really exist! The human condition has never been entirely good or bad, always somewhere in between!

[@scottsevers6194]

Thanks making such a wonderful video

[@retrochronic44]

You should make a video about how the oldest person in the world lived to her age while being unhealthy.

[@Dietrich_Kaufmann]

By not being stressed all the time 💯 that shit will take years off your life

[@happicheshirecat]

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[@justinv588]

It's crazy that I have never heard this story. I mean, I know who Turing was and cracking enigma but it's insane I never knew the rest. Thank you for making this.

[@adamaa39]

42 is quickly becoming my favourite youtuber.

[@joecalvinchidoba1540]

The greatest storyteller of all time.

[@mikemattingly5128]

Story more sad than even Teslas. Messed up world

[@priyanshupandey8492]

I was actually waiting for this

[@blaa443blaa2]

I just hope I could give a bigger like every time . Your stuff is amazing1