Why All Quebec Maps Are Different

The 100th anniversary of the Labrador Boundary Dispute is just a few years away. For decades Quebec and Newfoundland have both claimed the same area of Eastern Canada but a resolution seems unlikely.
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Read more on the dispute at
www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/labrador-boundary-dispute
www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/politics/labrador-boundary.php
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dispute-flares-up-again-over-quebec-labrador-border-1.639001
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[@hdufort]

By the way, there's another weird border between Québec and Nunavut. In the Hudson Bay, the border has been defined as following the line of low tide. That is, Québec literally stops at the water. You can't even build a fishing pier without intruding into Nunavut territory.

[@simondeschamps4969]

Good point !

[@FlyingGospel]

As a Québécois who lived both on the Hudson Bay and in Nunavut, I confirm this is accurate and a real problem for economic development.

[@MA-fd8fw]

There is another weird one nearby, but between Nunavut and Newfoundland. Near the northern tip of Labrador there is Killiniq island. That island contains a land border between Nunavut and Labrador

[@hotspur666]

@@MA-fd8fw ...Yes, there still two dozen houses where live Inuit folks watching howling winds to 50 miles an hour all the time...(I been long all over those weirds places, Newfoundland, Labrador and the edge of Ungava and Labrador)

[@hotspur666]

Visit(and land your flying boat)all over northern Labrador, you'd love to float on the sea next around these walls 3000 feet high, totally vertical...

[@MrGryphonv]

As a Labradorian, there is a side of this that isn't really publicly known. I'm sure most Labradorians would rather be autonomous from Newfoundland. It'll never happen, but many from Labrador don't feel a connection with Newfoundland or Quebec, they are Labradorians. They don't feel respected by the island, except as a source of taxes and exploited natural resources.

[@rediisteadii7695]

That’s completely understandable. I’m a Newfie myself, and have always felt bad about how neglected Labrador has been by both our government, and local media. You guys are incredibly resilient people, and your province is just breathtaking :) If you don’t mind me asking, why do you think Labrador is still attached to Newfoundland? Is it an issue of money/management?

[@MrGryphonv]

@@rediisteadii7695 That is a very good question. Political will I'm sure is a big part of it. Less than 30k people live in Labrador AFAIK, and maybe 2/3rds of that identify as Labradorian. It would be a major undertaking to actually get Labrador recognized as its own territory. Also the legal ramifications about who owns what, things like the hydro projects would be a rat's nest to sort out. And there would be no way for Labrador to take on the debt burden from them alone.

[@rediisteadii7695]

@@MrGryphonv Ah, I see. That makes sense - like aforementioned in the video, an independent Labrador would probably cause dispute with Quebec as well. Thank you for your input! ❤️

[@TheMichaelMonroeDoctrine]

Damn I didn’t even no Labradors could talk let alone type

[@MrGryphonv]

@@TheMichaelMonroeDoctrine "Damn I didn’t even no Labradors could talk let alone type" We even KNOW how to spell also. Maybe you should work on that.

[@louisd.8928]

There is another territorial dispute between Quebec and Newfoundland regarding the maritime border between the two provinces. Long story short, there is a large oil and gas deposit called Old Harry at the bottom of the sea, right between the two provinces. Needless to say, both provinces claim jurisdicition over it.

[@mikeschapansky1374]

judging from the warfare from the keybecois, nothing to worry about.

[@codyaucoin3412]

@@mikeschapansky1374 Ya and Newfoundland got fucked over more than once by the pricks in Quebec over Hydro, and now Quebec can get fucked

[@louisd.8928]

@@mikeschapansky1374 what warfare?

[@arglebargle5531]

​@charlolel NL is not about to go bankrupt, **look it up**. They wouldn't be able to successfully launch an LSE bond offering if they couldn't service their debts.

[@arglebargle5531]

@charlolel ...no, a successful bond offering shows that they've been judged creditworthy by buyers. That fact alone disproves your "they're about to go bankrupt" claim, because investors do not purchase bonds from entities that they do not believe can repay them. Also, I find it odd that you think that an A credit rating supports your arguments... surely you know that A is not a junk credit rating, which is what's assigned to entities that are expected to go bankrupt? "Well they have a higher coupon then Quebec" is not a meaningful argument in terms of potential bankruptcy. I won't bother to go into the weeds on why your comments about NL's population decline are overly certain, but that position is also flawed.

[@flamingmuffin666]

being from Newfoundland, I find this dispute highly intriguing. I first saw the 1927 privy council note when I was doing geology work in the Labrador Trough region, I needed to see Quebec geological survey maps and they have the non-definitive declaration on the border. Newfoundland has no such note, they just say Quebec and Newfoundland on each side of the dotted line. What was hell to research, is that the Labrador Trough (a NW - SE formation that stretches from the Gulf of St Lawrence to Ungava Bay) is shared with Quebec, and the Quebec geological survey doesn't call it the Labrador Trough, they instead call it "New Quebec Orogen". Certain geology papers call it one, others call it the other, some use both. We call it Labrador Trough, they call it NQO. It's a background reminder where it doesn't need to be. I imagine other fields have similar reminders, but I can only speak for geology. What's hilarious to me, is that part of the Trough used to be a flood basalt for a Large Igneous Province (large region of land was flooded by lava, its why there's a lot of economic interest), and it was a Federal Geologist who made an argument that the centre of this flood basalt is this interesting region of a Columnar basalt formation (same as the Giant's Causeway, hexagons of rock), it's location is pretty much in the middle of the Labrador Trough/NQO on the Quebec side, but he named it the "Labrador Traps".

[@Simboiss]

If there is valuable minerals or other resources there, you know Canada will pour an inordinate amount of efforts and resources to make sure Québec has the least of it.

[@ec6052]

@@Simboiss LMAO Quebec gets the most of everything even when they don't contribute. 50% of all equalization payments to ONE province. Alberta forking over billions of dollars every year, for those degenerates to turn around a post a multi billion dollar surplus... in a HAVE NOT province. FFS

[@maninredhelm]

It should obviously go to PEI. Every other province already has far more land than they're ever going to use for anything.

[@erso5172]

It's my favourite province! Having been to all of them, it was just so different. Very beautiful, nice people, AMAZING food

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

​@@erso5172 youve made me want to visit as an albertan!

[@Speaktruthabsolutely2023]

You wish 😂😂😂😂

[@richlisola1]

One small problem…This isn’t about who you want to have territory, but to which provinces have a legal claim to it.

[@jonathanallard2128]

PEI shouldn't even be a province

[@Game_Hero]

Finally, a respectful video about Québec and all that actually makes it fascinating, thank you!

[@TEMUJINARTS]

Ah please..cry me a river esti

[@Game_Hero]

@@TEMUJINARTS All self-respecting peoples around the world cry when it's not the case and it's seen as normal, it's not different here.

[@TEMUJINARTS]

@Game_Hero what are tou talking about man? You're seeing something that isn't there . Victimhood. Nothing more.

[@Game_Hero]

@@TEMUJINARTS Allow me to enlighten you, foreigner. The near totality of videos here and elsewhere about the minority nation of Québec are full of cultural inaccuracies, canadawashing and other cultural appropriation of their culture, condescending moralizing preaching that is more about asserting their anti-Québec survival double-standard views that borders on racism rather than giving an encyclopedic educative view using Québécois sources and perspective (being so loudly for privileging the voice of the minority groups to talk about themselves except for us, when it's a majority anglo-canadian origin from A to Z that aims to preserve its dominance and the canadianizing assimilation of Québécois people) the same likes any other minority or majority nation would have gotten the privilege of except us or the Roma in Europe. If these things were to happen talking about any other nation in the world, it would make a scandal, but with Québécois people? It's magically ok, even cherished. A view you seem to share as well.

[@waitwho3074]

@@Game_Hero Ton commentaire est juste excellent! Et bien sûr, TEMU est mystérieusement silencieux... Classique. Enfin bref, mes chers Québécois, n'oubliez jamais cela si vous ne le saviez pas. -Le terme « Canadien » faisait à l'origine référence à un Québécois ou à un francophone du Canada, mais les anglos l'ont approprié culturellement. Eux-mêmes avant se qualifient comme Anglais ou britannique. -L'hymne national du Canada était à propos nous, écrite en français par le Québécois Adolphe-Basile Routhier mais ils l'ont approprié et traduit en anglais. -La Poutine, l’un de leurs derniers vols culturels, qui est maintenant le "Plat National Canadien" -La feuille d’érable en tant que symbole national, représentaient les Québécois et les franco-canadiens, mais ils l'ont aussi approprié. et bien plus.. La vérité c'est que les loyalistes anglais du Canuck n’ont jamais eu de véritable culture puisque c’était tout le résidu laissé par l’Angleterre. Alors ils ont tous volé aux Québécois. Nous avons nos propres lois, notre système d'éducation, nos pensions de retraite, notre système de santé, notre politique, etc. La seule chose que nous ne contrôlons pas est l'immigration, qui est la plus importante. Nous sommes le pays le moins officiel au monde, sans bénéficier des privilèges, des avantages et de la reconnaissance d’un véritable pays. L'avenir du Québec, c'est la souveraineté absolue. J'espère qu'il ne sera pas trop tard avant que la majorité ne s'en rende compte. Le sort du Québec ressemble à la métaphore de la grenouille bouillante. Aucune nation au monde n'a jamais regretté son indépendance et pourtant pour les Québécois, ce serait mal ? C'est ridicule! Vive le Québec souverain ⚜

[@brunodesrosiers266]

Well done. I had forgotten about Newfoundland’s offer to sell (the first time);and didn’t know about the second offer.

[@marklittle8805]

The Newfs would have been fools if it had gone through. But it is also typical of Quebec to keep fighting over it.

[@brunodesrosiers266]

@@marklittle8805- Typical of just everyone on earth to act exactly like this. This video only treats the political aspect of this issue but you should know that until they found oil off-shore, Newfoundland hasn’t had one single penny to develop this territory. So Hydro-Quebec has done it and Newfoundland has been whining about the contract that established who would pay what and when ever since. Now you tell us what this is typical of(?).

[@Simboiss]

Fighting over a territory that was stolen to us by hateful British lord maggots and that contains valuable ressources? Sure, we'll fight over it. But according to these English bloke fuckers, apparently only Québec, in the entire world, should let it happen and be grateful for it. What a delusion.

[@gordsnow6962]

@@brunodesrosiers266 Ottawa and ontario and quebec gangsters too canadians taxpayers monies from all our resources and built it wake up the are still doing it today.

[@marcrj8111]

I rarely agree with Quebec on many of the issues and agreements they claim but on this one I have to take the side of Quebec. The Quebec govt created a Commission in the early 70s and the Commission published a report that basically recognized there can be no dispute regarding the borders of Labrador.... The report is called: "La Commission d'étude sur l'intégrité du territoire du Québec (CEITQ) Many of politicians who still bring the border with Labrador up usually admit to having not read the report in question. In other words one of the key concluding points of the CEITQ is that "The decision of the London Privy Consil was legitimate and indisputable" The Churchill Fall question is a complex and the complexity allows for ignorant or opportunisitic politicians to play the populist card as you can pool into the subject and pull out of kinds of innuendos.... There were in fact plenty of opportunities, like you slightly addressed, to give a hand to the Newfoundlanders... This said... The only legitimate negotiation is the "straight line" bordering the southern part of the Labrador... Quebec would like to conclude and make a settlement based on the geographic waterline so that each jurisdiction have full control of their own total tributaries (water basins?)... And that is reasonable and it would also have allowed N&Labrador to re-open the Churchill Fall Hydro project agreements.... Many jurisdictions in the world today have conflict over water rights.... Mexico and the US, Laos and China, Egypt and Sudan and Ethiopia.. and around Israel etc....... And there are major water rights between US states and between Canada and the US. Water rights are fondamental... Resolving that question could avoid, because of the major transformation in the fabric of the people composing Canada and thus resulting in an increasingly undemocratic "culture", help avoid future major tensions and misunderstandings... If Canada continue to "diversify" rather than "unify", surely territorial disputes could become compromised due to its "complexity" and thus becoming complicated and this complication becoming the excuse for tensions and conflicts....by those who have no historical roots to the initial situation. I leave it at that.

[@passatboi]

Tracé in this context would be line or alignment. Not "record".

[@anthonibarbe6503]

Borders on watershed are way more logical then a straight line cutting into wilderness

[@dixonhill1108]

Yeah as a newfie, I'd fight to the death for lab city, but yeah that southern bit should be theirs. Watersheds are the only logical way to make borders. Especially when the primary value is in primary resource extraction. Hydro dams specifically needs the consequences down stream from the dam, so it's always a big thing. Egypt has massive issues now that countries further up the nile are trying to develop hydro.

[@user-vg6sg7kh1q]

until there is is a glacier where yo don't know the border until the climate gets hot enough to know on which side the water will flow. Chile and Argentina has that problem

[@maxpower6315]

So should all the other provinces change their borders, because they too all have straight line borders cutting through wilderness

[@dixonhill1108]

If there's a dispute absolutely. @@maxpower6315

[@antoinemorin1816]

@@user-vg6sg7kh1q There is no permanent ice on that territory. The bedrock is well known and mapped in details by the Québec ministries.

[@Punker85_YouTube]

As a Quebecois, this was pretty good video but a correction I would like to make is that the area that is today called Quebec was only called that since 1867. From 1535 to 1763, it was called Canada, from 1763 to 1791, it was called the Province of Quebec, from 1791 to 1841, it was called Lower Canada and from 1841 to 1867, it was officially called Canada East (And also, the flags of Quebec and Labrador showed in 3:25 didn't existed at that time)

[@billyccall5774]

It's all still Canada, cope more though

[@Bluesykk]

It was called, "Lower Canada", and Ontario was "Upper Canada". Maybe if you're going to make a correction, make sure it's correct...

[@linefrenette9116]

You are wrong, Between 1534 and 1763 It was called “New France” and the city of Quebec received its name in 1608 and it was the capital

[@Punker85_YouTube]

@@linefrenette9116 New France was the name for all French holdings in North America until 1763. Canada was the name for the area around the Saint Lawrence valley and the Great Lakes with comprised modern day Quebec

[@linefrenette9116]

@@Punker85_KZbin you are completely wrong ASMR - Louisiana, Quebec: History of New France / The French Whisperer ASMR kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3zFoWVnhK-IrMU

[@guillaumehomier5038]

J'étais au début de l'école primaire et un jour à l'école on a vu une carte du Canada avec un gros morceau de la péninsule québécoise qui n'appartenait pas au Québec. Un gros morceau dans le nord avec peu de population. Le soir à la maison je demande à mon père: Dits papa, pourquoi le Labrador ne fait-il pas partie du Québec? Il me répond: parce que c'est du vol!!! 😡 😂😂😂

[@mathieuboucher1287]

Il a bien raison.

[@thehungrynoodle2545]

@@mathieuboucher1287non.

[@kordellcurl7559]

No it is not

[@freedfree7933]

The only theft is how much money Quebec keeps sucking out of Canada. The French are always the first to whine and the last to help. Such a garbage province full of addicts

[@LordDeShadow]

​@@kordellcurl7559yes it is! Labrador was stolen from Quebec and given to Newfoundland so they would enter the confederation. The federal stole this land from Quebec without even asking us.

[@ByzantineCalvinist]

After the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council made its decision in 1927, Québec’s government established a minister without portfolio to try to undo it. He became known as . . . . . . the Labrador Retriever! 😉

[@jeancharlesclement787]

😂😂😂😂

[@jonathanlanglois2742]

The matter of Churchill falls has actually been mostly settled at this point. There's still a lot of bitterness left over the entire thing, but it has gone to court several times and been affirmed as a valid contract. More recently, relations between Newfoundland and Québec have actually been slowly warming up. It is in the interest of both provinces. Churchill falls represent 15% of the power available to Québec's power grid. Newfoundland stands to make a lot of money once the existing contract is over. It is also a fact that in order to get that power to market, Newfoundland must use Québec's electrical grid. Both provinces understand very well that they will have to negotiate ahead of 2041 and should burry the hatchet. Furthermore, Québec is looking to increase the amount of power that it produces. There is an opportunity on the lower Churchill for another large power station. There are some signals that this is being considered as a potential solution to meet those needs and it could very well be that the terms of Churchill end up getting renegotiated as part of that project.

[@Caper1144]

If I was Newfoundland, I would get China and India to fund and profit off Churchill Falls by helping to build infrastructure bypassing Quebec.

[@jonathanlanglois2742]

@@Caper1144 Seriously, it feels like you are trolling me. They definitely could bypass Québec, but realistically, they would run into the same problems that Québec has been experiencing trying to sell electricity to the northern US. Its taken a decade just to get a single project off the ground. Québec is their biggest potential customer and they know it. Also, there's absolutely no way that Canada is going to allow China to finance any major infrastructure project. The US would throw a fit at the suggestion and it would quickly become a major point of contention and cause a diplomatic incident. No prime minister in their right mind would risk that.

[@Caper1144]

@@jonathanlanglois2742 You're probably right.What about North Korea or Iran? Two more countries I would rather deal with then Quebec.

[@maxpower6315]

Why do you think Nfld built a power line from Muskrat Falls across the Straight of Belle Isle down the length of the Island of Nfld then 170km across the gulf and into Nova Scotia bypassing Quebec.

[@robertkennedy5414]

One of the problems with the deal was that when Churchill Falls was built, the power was capacity was much larger than what the province required at the time. The government intended to export that surplus power to the Quebec, Ontario and the northeastern United States, passing through Quebec obviously. Quebec would be paid a royalty for the use of its power grid to deliver to Ontario and the US. Quebec insisted that the power be sold to the utility at the border. The biggest failure of the deal was that the NL government at the time failed to anticipate the market rate for electricity rising significantly from when the deal was first signed, and the price to Quebec to buy power was locked into for the duration of the deal. Later lawsuits were filed, making the argument that the deal at the time was unfair because of the drastic difference between what Quebec paid for power from Churchill Falls and what it earned from selling surplus power to Ontario and the US. The courts basically told them every time, that's the deal you signed, Quebec is under no obligation to renegotiate it because the market changed. When Muskrat Falls was in its planning stages, the NL government tried to use it as leverage to renegotiate Churchill Falls, and Quebec said no because they were making too much money from the deal. That's when they decided to partner with NS and build the subsea transmission line to sell power to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the New England states.

[@titi577]

I'm from Quebec and I didn't even know that we claimed some part of Labrador

[@gadriver]

C'est normal. Encore un vol des britanniques. Ils ont aussi déporté les francos qui y vivaient, en plus de génocider les amérindiens en catimini

[@brunodesrosiers266]

Il n’est jamais trop tard pour apprendre un fait historique !

[@defo9546]

Personne n'écoutait à ses cours de geo?

[@joeylaflamme8527]

@@defo9546 C'était pas enseigné en géo.

[@wipoute]

​@@joeylaflamme8527 normalement, ce l'est

[@Lisbonese]

The Québec version makes much more sense.

[@dennisenright7725]

I think that you are mistaken in saying that Quebec has claim on all of Labrador. The 1923 Quebec claim, backed by the government of Canada, implicitly recognized about 98 percent of the territory as belonging to Newfoundland. Quebec's claim disputes the straight southern border at 52 degrees north and says the boundary should give Quebec the entire watersheds of the rivers that cross that line. In acknowledging a that a land border exists between Quebec and Labrador, the Government of Quebec has already renounced claim to 98 percent of the territory. Only about 2 percent north of that straight section of border is in dispute.

[@dixonhill1108]

>Quebec's claim disputes the straight southern border at 52 degrees north and says the boundary should give Quebec the entire watersheds of the rivers that cross that line They can have it, land should always be divided by watersheds. It's why most of it belongs to newfoundland and always will.

[@ih302]

@@charlolel If we go bankrupt, it will be because of the heavily lopsided CF "deal".

[@carlhvs9437]

Quebec should be given the bit with the proper watershed, and that should settle it. Also while we are at it, Northeastern BC should go to Alberta.

[@tonyfromlasalle]

Québec is objectively in the wrong. But their nationalist tendencies make them think they’re defending territorial sovereignty. This is where the federal government should step in and force Québec to oblige

[@ih302]

@@carlhvs9437 That's the issue, they wouldn't settle for just that part.

[@geraldmayo1299]

I'd say Labrador belongs to the Innu and Inuit.

[@Darkdragon5544]

And the Naskapis, don't forget them!

[@Hsalf904]

Only correct answer

[@patriot8942]

Ask the Beothuk that were exterminated -genocided- by the Newfoundlanders.

[@jonathanallard2128]

Fuck that. They were conquered fair and square.

[@Hsalf904]

@@bingodeluxe Well there are more Indigenous nations than just those three but yes

[@kongkiiing]

Great content!

[@alekcxjo]

Simple solution: make all Atlantic Canada part of Québec. It would solve this controversy and simplify the maps.

[@johnholmes8919]

gimme a break

[@alekcxjo]

@@johnholmes8919 that's my point

[@renaudbergeron9207]

That's a great idea: sold.

[@Ptitnain2]

We good with that. No problem siding with the Acadiens.

[@victordesouza5604]

Better idea: make quebec part of Atlantic Canada. This way racist quebecois won't be able to force others to speak the language they want

[@quebecpower978]

Le Québec n'a JAMAIS signé la confédération Canadienne.

[@andreverville9492]

From fishing rights to coastline to watersheds separation line, I am wondering who pushed the limits further and further until it became a matter of dispute? Québec has let Canada talk for itself, see the result now and please don't ask how come it now wants to master all its relationships.

[@thisisryan2094]

I'm not sure what this comment is supposed to mean

[@Dogz9221]

Unintelligible francophone seething.

[@idkimlikereallybored9533]

​@@Dogz9221im neither francophone nor anglosaxon, yet i understood what he wrote..

[@gagnepower]

@@Dogz9221just say you don’t know how to read 😅

[@wipoute]

As a Quebecer myself, this comment's grammatical structure hurts my eyes.

[@angeurbain6129]

I am a Québec nationalist and i am telling you that there should be no conflict with Newfoundland over the Labrador territory. The best thing we can do togehter is business. And it happen that the people in Labrador need us. And please next time don't go ahead with dumb hydro-electric project just as an act of revenegnge over the Churchill Falls agreement. The best for everybody is to do business together.

[@LordSirNathaniel]

Hey le nationaliste, parle français caliss.

[@angeurbain6129]

Calme toi là-dessus. J'ai répondu en anglais parce que le vidéo est en anglais. @@LordSirNathaniel

[@LordSirNathaniel]

Ont s'en caliss des anglais, parle français et arrête de plier. Tu te force à comprendre, eux autres auront juste à faire le même effort pour comprendre. Ils comprennent le français mais préfère juste s'en calisser, il feront jamais l'effort de vouloir l'apprendre. Soit fier, parle français.

[@angeurbain6129]

Tu te trompes vraiment d'ennemi ici. Bonne fin de soirée.@@LordSirNathaniel

[@Bresto88]

​​​@@LordSirNathaniel chill mate, this is such a Quebec victim mentality of "feeling" bending down just cuz you speak English. Moi, je suis un allophone qui a immigré au QC (MTL) et maintenant travaille au Labrador. Je parle 3 langues et je m'en calisse que je dois parler français, anglais, etc. On est au Canada. I agree with OP; now it's not the time to keep going back to boring old issues. QC and NL need each other and Churchill Falls deal needs to be renegotiated so that Gull Island can proceed. Everybody wins.

[@AdrienDesautels]

I think visually you can see the land mass of Quebec versus the nearby island of Newfoundland. The idea of the english having the fishing rights on the coast was already a money-grab, but then getting a ridiculous amount of Quebec's coastline too is extremely unfair by any measure and of course was not a decision made by Canada or Quebec. It was the British court who favoured the english-speaking and snubbed their nose at the french. For this reason we historically claim the region despite the British court (that does not represent us) giving it away.

[@ryantwitter343]

Newfoundlanders don’t feel Canadian or British. If you wanna talk about robbery talk to us. It was “English” speakers who fished those shores not French who remained mostly along the river. Otherwise Labrador would be filled with French speakers.

[@Bluesykk]

@@ryantwitter343 You got that right man!

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

Oh no. No no no. I don't think so. The British have had to bend themselves backwards over Quebec. They literally lost the 13 colonies because of it. A chunk of Labrador seems like the LEAST the largest province can afford.

[@vetric4797]

​@@Very_Silly_Individual what are you on about? The seven years' war that lead to the tax hikes in the 13 colonies which then led to their declaration of independence was by and far a European conflict, with the American theatre & territory being mostly an afterthought. throughout the 200 years of British rule over Quebec, the British treated francophones as second class citizens, often severely limiting representation, rights, religious freedoms, economic opportunities & working in tandem with the Catholic Church in the region to keep the Quebec poor & dependent on great Britain and the church. Not to mention that with the merger of upper and lower Canada, Quebec was forced to take on upper Canada's immense debt burden. People often forget that Manitoba & the entirety of Acadia used to be majority French before the British and Canadian governments either wiped out the communities or whittled them down to negligible numbers by restricting rights and access to education. The British and Canadian government have historically had a very strong bias against French communities in Canada, and its only as recently as the 70s that French communities and Quebecois started receiving similar treatment & rights as anglo Canadians.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

@@vetric4797 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The COLONIES hated the French. But the British allowed them to exist in Quebec. Why? Why would they do this if they could've just allowed the colonies to take what they wanted from their enemies? Two possible options. Either the British were sympathetic to the French in Quebec (highly unlikely), or they couldn't afford to fight another war in America (far more likely) and thus, had to BEND THEMSELVES BACKWARDS in order to keep the region compliant. But, again. This was a big reason for the 13 colonies splitting off. They definitely did NOT like the French and saw Britain's pro Quebec policies as directly interfering with their own desires and aspirations. Particularly when it came to growing their lands. If the British had simply given less regard for the safety, rights, and protections of French people in Quebec, the world might look very different today. But King George III was famously incompetent (at least early on) And what people ACTUALLY forget (everyone knows about the Acadians. That isn't new news in the slightest.) Is that the Qubec act was one of the "intolerable acts" in the eyes of the colonies. How could Britain recognize and protect the territories and rights of French settlers after they literally just fought a war to take their land?

[@emdxemdx]

It's just the usual british-canadian francophobia at work, since 1066.

[@fs400ion]

I'm Québécois and if Labrador had a Francophone majority I think we should have it. But since it's not the case, we should not claim it unfortunately for us. It would have looked better if Québec and Labrador were united but whatever. Still, since I have a soft spot for natural borders, Québec should clearly have the little land it claims. The straight line is just atrocious.

[@mikeschapansky1374]

There's a francophone majority in other parts of the country, you going to 'claim' those as well? We'll see how that goes.

[@fs400ion]

@@mikeschapansky1374 well obviously not those who dont border Québec. Beside Northern Ontario and Acadia there are none bordering Québec. And juridically it would be complicated to parcel Ontario and New-Brunswick.

[@ratoftoska7497]

@@mikeschapansky1374 Imagine having 9 provinces and still being that insecure and hateful because francophones claim one. What a sad person you are.

[@FlorenceSlugcat]

@@fs400ionhow about you stay in your designated borders and dont try to anex canada

[@fs400ion]

@@FlorenceSlugcat well that's pretty much what I said and also as you saw in this vidéo Canada changed Québec's borders, not the other way around

[@bernier42]

I was waiting for the video to end so I could bring up the Yves-Francois Blanchet incident, and there it was waiting for me.

[@renaudbergeron9207]

About Churchill falls: The point is that in the 1960s banks refused lend money to New-Found Land to build the hydroelectric dam. New-Found Land wasn't solvent. Neither are they now. So it's Hydro-Québec that paid for this construction in wich nobody believed. It was generaly believed that nuclear piwer was the future. This contract between NFL and HQ was done for political reasons. If Hydro-Québec has not been there, there would have been no Churchill falls. But it turned into a very good investment. So New-Found Land should be thank full to Québec for that 40% of Churchill falls is owned by Hydro-Québec and 60% goes to New-Found Land. Sorry for this pour english, I am québécois: I speak french.

[@sotch2271]

You do know they get literal penny for the worth ? I also heard they lacked energy to develop

[@linefrenette9116]

Hydro Quebec did not yet exist in 1960, because Hydro Quebec was founded in 1964 and subsidized by Wall Street and subsequently Hydro Quebec bought Churchill Falls Hydro Electricity and many Newfoundlanders are unaware of this.

[@renaudbergeron9207]

@@sotch2271 I woudn't say but I read the final building cost were 900 million$. HQ bought 5 billion$ of electricity snd 100 million $ of Churchillfalls "obligation". HQ paid 200 million$ for electricity line to USA. HQ was also responsable for interest over 5% and average hapened to be about 7 3/4 to 8%. In other words NFL took no risks. HQ had no client to buy this electricity before agreement with NFL. HQ took all risks.

[@bkdarkness]

@@sotch2271 They get 1c/kwh and that's fair. Hydro Quebec built the dam, the plant, paid for everything and even today are still the ones operating and managing the plant. Without HQ, the government of NFLD would be getting nothing; the plant wouldn't even exist.

[@michaeldesanta977]

In Montreal the Frenchmen say that they own Labrador, Including Indian Harbor where me father fished before, But if they wanna fight for her I'll surley take a stand, And they'll regret the day they tried to take our Newfoundland! I'm a Newfoundlander born and bred, and I'll be one 'til I die. I'm proud to be an Islander, and here's the reason why: I'm free as the wind, and the waves that wash the sand. There's no place I would rather be then here in Newfoundland!

[@WeirdAwesomeGeography]

Love that song! Shanneyganock is a great band :)

[@Speaktruthabsolutely2023]

Is that another Newfie joke ? 😂😂😂

[@davidlefranc6240]

Don't be affraid its just some talking in a democratic world of today have a good life .

[@davek303]

@@Speaktruthabsolutely2023 Yes. Newfies are oddly proud of themselves for some reason. I guess because they don't travel and know how nice the rest of the world is?

[@foundationofBritain]

@@davek303 the rest of the world isn't 'nice'... its shockingly awful... and you don't need travel to know that, and yet, the more you do travel, not only do you find out that it is indeed 'shockingly awful', but that its more shockingly awful than you could ever imagine... Newfies are "oddly" proud of themselves in all likelihood probably as they see themselves as 'nice' in comparison to the rest of the world from their point of view... and every Nation in the world normally throughout history did thinketh themselves likewise.

[@truemisto]

congratulations to watchers of this video, you now know more about labrador than many canadians

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Probably most if we're being honest

[@JohnWasAPrettyCoolGuy]

Love this video Also here before you got big 1.61k

[@discursion]

That just made me realize why as Quebec children we were poking fun at Newfoundlanders in elementary school jokes, calling them "Newfies". It's fun how you might not be aware of this kind of stuff as a child and yet still use these remnants of territorial animosity. Now I'm wondering why we use "mongols" as a way of saying "crazy person". I suspect this boils down to rivalry with indigenous cultures.

[@Narkogurio]

cause the mongols conquered like half the planet and killed like 25% of the population at some point ahaha

[@BandGGaming]

Plot twist - it belongs to me

[@andreleclerc7231]

Two women claiming custody come in front of King Salomon. King Solomon orders the baby to be cut in two. The first women is fine with the ruling and the second woman says "please don't kill my baby, let her take her". Only this was a ploy, King Salomon just wanted which women would care about the baby wellbeing and granted her custody. So what's the point of this story? Newfoundland tried to sell Labrador. They tried to sell the goddamm baby. The difference is that in this version of the story King Solomon went: "Well you're anglo and she ain't so of course you get it".

[@stephicool]

Wow im Canadian and never knew about thia dispute thanks for the history lesson!

[@lephilosophe666]

Well, i am pretty new to this issue, but as a Quebecois from the "North Shore" region, i would be tempted to side with Quebec on this matter. My knowledge is limited but i do know that us Quebecois have been exploited a lot by the British, and by extension, the Proto-Canadians. We are a vastly more distinct culture and people than any other peoples of Canada (excluding First Nations) and technically we have much more ancient claims to that piece of land. I know lots of good & bad people across Canada sees us as a spoiled child and in some ways we are. But we are also feeling a need to be because we have to struggle to survive in this sea of hostility towards our ideal. Just our culture (music, movies, tv shows, theatre, etc.) is struggling beyond words in the face of the tsunami of American culture. Hell even the Canadians struggle because everyone that has talent goes to the US. We just see this "culture-drain" from French to English (US) more because we are francophones. Our struggle is one of self-determination and the right to stop the guardianship that Canadians (and by extension the UK/US) have over us. We feel like we don't belong in Canada, and we often disagree with the rest of Canadians on policies. We are different peoples, and as much as i fear change, i think it would be in our perennial interest to get our independence. (Although i can see at least 5 things that would be unpleasant to me if we did, like the strength of our passports lol)

[@sachaguilhemjouan2082]

I've lived in Quebec for the past 15 years, and this is the first time I've heard of this. I think many of my fellow Quebecers and I don't care about this border dispute. Sovereignty and freedom of language are much more pressing political issues in our day to day, especially in our relations with the provinces to our West.

[@Simboiss]

Sovereignty goes through control of resources and links with the outside (among other things), two things that were, and still are, affected by that artifical line drawn by hate-driven racist British lords on the other side of the ocean.

[@Redjs90]

What would we do with it? We don't use 80% of our land. The only reason we would be remotely interested would be for the hydroelectric dams or for resources we would only start exploiting in 200 years.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

​@@charlolelinvest in nuclear

[@LePhil79]

Hydro electricity is way more cheap. Québec doesn't need more electricity for themselves, they need more hydro electricity to sell to north eastern US states, so it has to be cheaper than the nuclear energy that they can produce themselves. @@Very_Silly_Individual

[@gingerman5751]

Nieh should Quebec’s would be much more beautiful on a map

[@vaisseauspatialterre3768]

This situation in Labrador is like northen Irleland situation. Nature says that Ireland is an iland that include Northen Ireland. Quebec is a peninsulat that includes Labrador.

[@dionisiodussart5629]

The "judge and party" principle has allowed the english-speakers to remove from Quebec that area, where there are now some thousands people, a density of around 0.1 inhabitants per square km .... more than 50 times less than the average density of Quebec.

[@CardboardBots]

Maybe Labrador could best be administered as a territory rather than as a part of Newfoundland.

[@joeyyoung2952]

Newfie here: over our dead body.

[@CardboardBots]

@joeyyoung2952 what "our" are you referring to? Newfoundlanders or Labradorians...? I'm a Newfoundlander who once lived in Labrador.

[@DaiAtlus79]

its beena push among the population for years.

[@DaiAtlus79]

@@joeyyoung2952 again, a Newfoundlander who thinks they can speak for us Labradorians....

[@Game_Hero]

@@DaiAtlus79 Don't worry, happens to us Québécois all the time by all of Canada thinking they can speak for us.

[@Hsalf904]

Hot take: it belongs to the people who actually live there

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

What a coincidence, I was talking about this in a Discord server very recently!

[@johnr797]

Map printers in Quebec: pack it up boys, they're doing them all individually now

[@trish2764]

Haha, I work somewhere where we sell maps and we have that problem with Québec maps 😂

[@kparkz47]

As a Newfie thank you for Saying Newfoundland properly LOL you have no idea how much it pisses us off when people call us “new- Fin-lind” like we have nothing to do with Finland thanks 😭

[@DaiAtlus79]

3:00 that was The Grand River at that point, wasnt renamed to Churchill til post-confederation. Also we refer to ppl from outside of NL as 'mainlanders' as those from Labrador is referred to as Labradorian (im Labradorian, never call us mainlanders, its not offensive but it gives the connotation we aren't from the area), which i dont think u uttered for the entirety of the video (Labrador culture is very different from the Newfoundland culture). also, Quebec would have to content with the Nunatsiavut Treaty, where the Nunatsiavut ppl (inuit of northern Labrador) have self governance and their own special administrative district (think of it as Canada's Hong Kong; i am what is referred to as a Nunatsiavut Beneficiary, meaning im listed under the treaty).

[@gordsnow6962]

bravo.

[@marcoprolo1488]

Must be cold and humid there. I won't fight for that. 😂

[@timward3116]

Give Newfoundland and Labrador to the Republic of Ireland.

[@vegetasnewhaircut9141]

Trade for Northern Ireland?

[@shrimpy7862]

This is a wild comment

[@timward3116]

@@vegetasnewhaircut9141 Hey, that's a GOOD idea! That way, everybody could be happy!

[@paulcrane]

Bro I live in quebec and everybody here knows that that’s labrador

[@wipoute]

As a Quebecer, I approve this message

[@japaris75]

All of Labrador should belong to Quebec with protective rights for the English-speaking communities in Labrador. The 1927 Privy Council was very biased

[@jean-dod4966]

I agree

[@mikeschapansky1374]

Yeah, that's going so well for English speaking people in Quebec. Get your head out of your ass.

[@LordSirNathaniel]

Hey ciboire, pas une lumière toé. Depuis quand faudrait-il protéger la langue anglaise ?

[@alasdairblack393]

“Protective” (?) English speaking rights in the province of Quebec are a joke.

[@GayToBeHere]

@@LordSirNathaniel Si une communauté anglophone se ramasse liée au Québec du jour au lendemain, ça serait juste cruel de leur demander de se conformer à nos lois de protection de la langue française... Tout cas moi j'aimerais mieux qu'on me laisse vivre dans ma langue maternelle si j'étais annexée de force à une province, donc j'aimerais mieux qu'on traite ces gens-là comme ça XD

[@walshwil]

As a québecois, I know that Churchill falls is an important claim because of the hydroelectric operations going on there. Else, I see nothing of value to gain except for fishing borders (since teh St-laurent isn't doing as well as it used to), but those weren't in the game to begin with. However, the Quebec and Labrador map looks so much better, those two straight lines are really horrible to look at. While traveling, I've seen the map with Labrador colored off-blue for tourist stop indicators . It shows an aestheticly pleasing image while indicating that it isn't part of us

[@DynV]

5:55 I'm a Quebecker and "tracé de 1927 du conseil privé (non-définitif)" in Google Translate sounds almost exactly how we'd say it (click the speaker icon). As to what I think, the 1912 border seems fair, with some long-term rental agreement for the Newfoundlanders already there (ie: 100 years for 1$).

[@MrFrancisp1980]

"trah-say duh mil nuhf sahn vahn-set doo kon-say pree-vay (noh deh-fee-nee-teef)"

[@ClipsNSnips]

Oddly enough, I was just thinking about this exact topic a couple weeks ago... It seemed so strange to me that the Newfoundland territory doesn't extend all the way down to the Gulf of St. Lawrence... I guess it used to 😅

[@hotspur666]

Yes, there was anglos along the St Lawrence river but no Newoofies...Newfies were foreigners and not part of anything in America! Just a ten mile strip along the Labrador, but they tried to seized EVERYTHING in Quebec!

[@foundationofBritain]

@@hotspur666 Newfies were Anglos... there England's oldest North American colony (now ex colony), it wasn't England's oldest *permanent* settlement in North America, but it was her first North America possession, and one of the earliest permanent English colonies in the New World, as from August 1583 England formally took possession of the island... though permanent colonial settlements on the island were established from 1610... Jamestown, Virginia was in 1607.

[@doswheelsouges359]

@@foundationofBritain It was a New-France territory with it's first governor in 1655. Ceded to England in 1713 with the Utrecht treaty.

[@malcontender6319]

@@hotspur666 You can barely form a sentence in your hatred.

[@malcontender6319]

@@hotspur666 Thanks for the storytime, you really sound like a Quebecer.

[@Nicklan1961]

The quebec map changed after the iron ore company of Canada decided to develop the iron ore in Labrador you will note the very first mine that they started. quebec has a specific little area that extends out and around it and back to quebec

[@gordsnow6962]

just like churchel falls and very soon muskrat falls.

[@jd395]

Labrador is part of Quebec. The borders are ugly when you just remove land.

[@Mattattak]

Simple. Canada didn’t want Quebec to have access to the oceans. English Canada always wanted to control French Canada

[@linefrenette9116]

Quebec has always had access to the ocean via the St. Lawrence River and Canada would be unable to deny us access to it in the event of a separation. it would be rather the opposite Canada could have to pay passage fees

[@TheNmecod]

@@linefrenette9116sure but then any water access through the Hudson Bay or Ungava Bay or any other northern body of water is restricted and Quebec does not have jurisdiction over, but rather Nunavut. (Before Nunavut it was the federal government)

[@linefrenette9116]

@@TheNmecod Yes, Quebec has jurisdiction, it is Canada which does not. inform yourself

[@johnholmes8919]

wow the comments keep getting more idiotic thats some great education you are all getting

[@wipoute]

​@@linefrenette9116 thank you. People say so much nonsense it's crazy

[@KwehShiro]

As someone from quebec, i never knew about this. Easy to say common people don't care so the tension and dispute is more on the government side of things. Like cant they just recognise them as their own part, come on. Tbh so many other issues the government ignore, but that's true anywhere.

[@h.calvert3165]

You people are fools if you don't care about all the revenue from the natural resources which have been stolen right out from under you! 👎🏻

[@FredoRockwell]

Cool video! I knew there was some sort of dispute but not why. Just imagine how weird the map would be if Newfoundland still only included the Labrador coastline!😮

[@WeirdAwesomeGeography]

Thanks Fredo!! That means a lot coming from you. Love your content! :) Yes, would be a very weird border, losing the Hydro and Iron mines in Labrador would be a massive economic hit as well especially with fishery challenges in Newfoundland.

[@FredoRockwell]

@@WeirdAwesomeGeography I sent you a message on Insta. :)

[@amossimon3438]

Who owned the land before the Britissh and French..

[@Speaktruthabsolutely2023]

@@amossimon3438Nobody, just trees there

[@amossimon3438]

There were people in Labador for the last 9000 years.The Dorest The Innu and the Inuit.This is still there land. The world must respect that.Especially now the importance of The North West Passage.lets hope thy benifit from the opening of that Trading also. Route.There needs be competition between the Nato and BRICS. That will benifit the natives peoples of Artic.

[@alexandrepage-chasse7178]

Quebecs legitimate land, but english occupied, its obvious.

[@mikeschapansky1374]

Plains of Abraham says Quebec is legitimate British/then Canadian land but French occupied. Obvious right?

[@ratoftoska7497]

@@mikeschapansky1374 Why is some guy with an Eastern European name acting like he's tough shit because the British army defeated a fur-trading colony France didn't care about hundreds of years ago? You realize you don't get any of the credit, right? And BTW, Canadien was a term exclusively used to describe my ancestors to differentiate descendants of the colony from the European French. Your whole national identity was borrowed from us, at least show some respect or stop using it. Just name yourselves Upper-Americans and be done with it.

[@PlayThroughTheGame]

its took only 20 minutes of war to lose everything to brittish in 1759.

[@DaiAtlus79]

so ignore the indigenous ppl already there? ugh

[@PlayThroughTheGame]

@@DaiAtlus79 indigenous are everywhere in the world even in haiti so what?

[@punkrockwino164]

They can HAVE Labrador, if they're willing to take on the BILLIONS in debt that is Muskrat Falls!

[@DaiAtlus79]

Labrador didnt want muskrat falls - was a Danny WIlliams legacy thing, he did it to cut Nova Scotia a deal on power. I lived near the area where the falls were before the project, and it's power being given away below cost to appease our neighbours. Williams was all but nailed to the cross for it as we were sitting on billions in oil revenue and outdid even ontario for prosperity, but Danny wanted his legacy. we've held inquiries about it and its not good, some may get nailed to the wall for it yet, they already had to break up a crown corporation because it had too much overreach.

[@robertkennedy5414]

@@DaiAtlus79 My theory on it was once Muskrat Falls was completed and at full production, Churchill Falls production would have been cut drastically, if not shut down completely. Just a theory, though.

[@DaiAtlus79]

@@robertkennedy5414 wouldnt have had capacity to do this. The loan guarantee was based on the need for the Krugers mill need for power (that was inaccurate and trumped up to sell the project). This was mostly to benefit Emera. Sold down the (Churchill) River twice now.

[@Narkogurio]

as a quebecer with a love of history, i had never even heard about this dispute so i guess we dont take it too much at heart since its unhabited land lmao

[@Nothing2150]

The party quebecois still posts images of quebec that include Labrador... it's still a thing

[@christopherellis2663]

Return the Missouri and Mississippi to Québec!

[@morencymbm]

At the 1 minute 25 second mark of the video the church is called St.Clements and the town is Mutton bay on Quebecs lower north shore. I wish nfld would take us.

[@Chewable396]

God willing, one day. Once our financial house is in order again we can make Labrador bloom anew, and if Quebec can leave Canada, you should be able to leave Quebec. We would be happy to have you. Cheers from St Anthony’s.

[@davidascroft9888]

high time labrador was a province in its own right

[@Bresto88]

I actually agree with this. Labradorians and Newfoundlanders are different people.

[@dixonhill1108]

That's absurd, the population is way too small.

[@davidascroft9888]

in 1867 PEI's population was 87000 people giving them 4 seats in the HoC. Labrador currently has a population of 26,655 which is still the least populated riding in canada but more than PEI's original 21750 per seat ratio. There are plenty of independent countries with fewer people than Labrador. I'd also argue that Greenland should be an independent country and toss off the yoke of the danes but you seem to disagree based on number of people not their desire to rule themselves. Make Labrador a province - they already have their own flag and anthem 'ode to labrador'. Time to grow. @@dixonhill1108

[@wipoute]

​@@dixonhill1108 idea: instead of calling it a province, we could maybe make it the 4th territory 🤔

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

​@@wipoute no. That's foolish as well. It can just stay apart of Newfoundland. Nobody has any actual issues with that. Maybe one day when it grows a substantial populous, secession could be reasonable. Like with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

[@bengagnon2894]

Beaucoup de Canadiens dans les commentaires qui ne connaissent pas du tout l'histoire de ce qu'ils sont fiers d'appeler leur "pays". Beaucoup de Canadiens qui ne connaissent absolument rien au Québec. Ni sa culture, ni son système légal, ni sa politique, ni son économie, ni sa géographie (visiblement)... À l'inverse, je pourrais tout aussi dire que je ne connais pas les Common Laws, les chanteurs tendance de l'Alberta, les grandes entreprises de Vancouver ni le gouvernement provincial du Nouveau-Brunswick. Parce que j'en ai rien à foutre. Et c'est justement l'une des raisons pour lesquelles le Canada, ne serait-ce que d'un point de vue économique, devrait être scindé au bas mot en 5 morceaux. Les maritimes, les territoires du nord, la Colombie-Britannique, les Prairies et quelque chose qui reprend le Québec et l'Ontario (ou les deux séparément). L'état fédéral canadien est beaucoup trop vaste et différent d'un bout à l'autre pour être géré par une seule entité, sur de nombreux points. L'état fédéral en tant qu'entité politique n'a plus lieu d'exister en 2023, sauf pour des points bien précis tel que la lutte face aux catastrophes (mais cette lutte est déjà internationale lorsqu'elle se produit, on n'a qu'à penser aux feux cet été). Il est impossible de concilier les problèmes auxquels font face le Nunavut et les pêcheurs de Terre-Neuve; les Torontois et les habitants du nord du Manitoba. À chaque fois qu'une province veut faire quelque chose de son côté, il y a toujours un obstacle pour lui barrer la route : l'état fédéral. À chaque fois que des groupes se lèvent contre des entreprises multinationales, par qui les intérêts de celles-ci sont-elles toujours protégées? L'état fédéral. Infranchissable. Les Prairies veulent avoir leur sables bitumineux : pas de problème, on vous le laisse! On a notre hydroélectricité. La Colombie-Britannique veut pouvoir se développer économiquement vers l'Asie : allez-y les gars! De notre côté on va se tourner vers l'Europe. Quelqu'un peut me dire à quoi sert l'état fédéral ces dernières décennies à part pour mettre des bâtons dans les roues des provinces? À part pour avoir un Premier Ministre qui va faire le clown déguisé en Inde aux frais de la princesse (même pas capable d'y quémander un bout de pain en plus)? On pourrait dire quelque chose de semblable pour les états américains. Pour le meilleur et pour le pire.

[@patrickoreilly5528]

C'est vrai. Le Canada est trop grand, les besoins et les valeurs des régions sont trop contradictoires pour fonctionner réellement. Tout le monde deteste tous les autres lol! (Pardonnez ma Francais, svp. Mais...c'est une bonne example, non?)

[@bkdarkness]

Le quart des "Canadiens" sont meme pas ne au pays. C'est pas vraiment surprenant que beaucoup n'en connaissent pas l'histoire.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

That wouldn't function. They'd all either join back up or join with the United States.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

​@@bkdarknessreal

[@bigcaper862]

I am a Canadian map nerd and have never heard of this at all. Thanks!

[@99malc1]

So what would happen to the people of Labrador if Quebec got its wish? Would they all be subject to bill 96? This is an old hoary imperial quagmire that puts Quebec in the glaring light of old imperialism.

[@AlainPare]

VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE et notre Labrador

[@wipoute]

Ok boomer

[@AlainPare]

@@wipouteworm brain

[@loicklaroche6816]

Vive le Québec libre

[@mikeschapansky1374]

I agree, leave.

[@loicklaroche6816]

@@mikeschapansky1374 merci

[@wipoute]

Le Québec est déjà libre. La seule chose qui nous prend en otage, c'est les idéaux identitaires de nos boomers fanatiques et illettrés

[@princemajestal8100]

@@mikeschapansky1374 We want nothing more than that.

[@user-cz9qi3sr4h]

Labrador belongs to Québec. Be real, Newfies are just islanders.

[@Hoovie9596]

I’m Canadian and has still never understood Labrador

[@dixonhill1108]

Newfoundland's east coast was fished by the euoropeans/americans. So we had to go further north to fish, so newfoundlanders always fished up along labrador. We obviously settled the shoreline. The interior had almost no people aside from some natives/fur trappers. When Newfoundland was still a british colony, the british sided with the smaller colony and gave us the bigger chunk of the landmass.

[@Hoovie9596]

@@dixonhill1108 is it technically a province with Newfoundland or territory of itself ? I never really got an explanation. Even some Newfies I knew were divided on it

[@wipoute]

​@@Hoovie9596 it is an "extension" of Newfoundland. It is not a province in itself, but a territory that belongs to Newfoundland. (Yes, as a Quebecer, I said that lol - reasonably so)

[@DaiAtlus79]

@@Hoovie9596 its like cape breton - a physically separate part still a part of the main area. also, within Labrador is the Special Administrative District of Nunatsiavut, homeland of Labrador's Inuit population.

[@Hoovie9596]

@@DaiAtlus79 ahh good

[@raymondfranke154]

Quebec had no nation to nation standing at the time of negotiations, it was and is a part of Canada. The negotiations on the border was between soverign nations. Quebecers can complain all they want, but they didn't have a say, Canada was their voice at the table, end of story.

[@OdinWannaBe]

you do not understand the dynamic and political power inside Canada Quebec has.

[@raymondfranke154]

@@OdinWannaBe Hi - been to Quebec a few times, lovely province. Nobody outside of Quebec recognizes Quebec's claim of a Labrador revision. Well aware of Quebec's dynamic within Canada. The PC's regularly have more overall votes than the Liberals in federal elections, but is unable to form a government because of the dynamic. Best to cut a fair deal with Newfoundland in my opinion.

[@OdinWannaBe]

@@raymondfranke154 Oh I agree with you I do not see LAB as part of Quebec, but they are WAY more culturally connected to us. Canada was FORCED to leave Quebec a voice, they didn't do it because they wanted to, go learn history if you think The brits gave all theses right to Quebec just to be friendly. They did because it was the only way to control Lower Canada, It's not some wars won by a brits in the others side of the ocean that meant that the Habitant did comply ;)

[@raymondfranke154]

@@OdinWannaBe Good point, I think the Brits did learn some lessons from the American independence movement and gave Quebec a lot of autonomy, because they had to. They did not do that with Acadia though. Nice chatting with you.

[@agagnech]

Tu n as rien à décider si c'est la fin de l'histoire ou non. 😂

[@patbrennan6572]

I think Quebec got shafted right from the start so they should share some of the resources as compensation .

[@dixonhill1108]

"they should share some of the resources as compensation" they get endless endless amounts of money through equalization payments. They're welfare payments they were set up so poorer provinces would survive temporary hardship, but Quebec collects them continuously, despite being the 2nd largest province in the country.

[@wipoute]

​@@dixonhill1108 as a Quebecer, I hate the equalization policies and hope to see them removed one day. A lot of us are not even aware they exist.

[@kchristian133]

Lol it is already a welfare state, now you’re asking to give them more handouts clown?

[@MomotheToothless]

Hot take, but as a Newfoundlander Labrador has a fair claim to self governance tbh. My argument being Nunavut exists based on cultural, historic, and ethnic reasons, plus Labrador is primarily governed by the indigenous Nunatsiavut government.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

I'd argue that Canada should not be governed by people who do not consider themselves to be Canadian.

[@attiliobarcados8178]

I read, Newfoundlanders wanted hunting rights on the beaches of Labrador. The houuse of lord in Britain wrote the act choosing the mountain height limit as a border

[@TheBloodyPoint]

All of these comments by people who want to upend established law simply because of how the map looks aesthetically...it's a perfect example of the stupidity that abounds, especially in this province. It's my province, I have lived here for over half a century, but logic-based decision-making has never been the norm, everything is always tied to emotions. It will be her undoing. We are watching it happen before our eyes, and it is a tragedy.

[@CdeHavillandMosquito]

Calm down now.

[@bengagnon2894]

C'est vrai qu'il est beaucoup plus logique que des gens n'ayant jamais foulé la terre qu'ils s'apprêtent à tracer dictent des limites en ligne droite sur plusieurs centaines de kilomètres, plutôt que celle-ci suive un BASSIN VERSANT coulé dans la pierre depuis des millions d'années.

[@AlainPare]

1927 the British stole labrador to Québec and gave it to the Newfies wake up

[@dixonhill1108]

The french stole the land from the natives, and then like a decade later tried to pretend they're the rightful indigenous people of Canada. Quebecois got to keep their language, because in the 18th century the french language was the pinnacle of the white elite.

[@wipoute]

Ton anglais laisse à désirer

[@AlainPare]

@@wipoute c'est tout ce que tu as ? personnellement j'ai un LABRADOR volé qui manque à mon pays , mais j'en ai un autre pour compenser il est brun chocolat il s'appelle Pépito, il adore courir et nager mais surtout il a trois fois ton intelligence, au pied bon chien

[@wipoute]

@@AlainPare ok boomer

[@AlainPare]

​@@wipouteticoune sans éducation

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Gotta remember that the Newfies are the only Canadians to complete a geni-cidr.....

[@kchristian133]

Lol, it was definitely the modern Newfies who are responsible for Acadia you clown. 😂

[@PaulDurdle]

You know we have a national holiday on Sept 30th for the genocide that was done by Canadians…

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@PaulDurdle sounds about right. And many wonder what Canadians say "sorry" so much Edit- but that's ww1&2 when Newfoundland was founded, they completely wiped out and entire group of natives to the rock

[@DorisMorris-uv2fc]

That is my home town Newfoundland.

[@DorisMorris-uv2fc]

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[@DorisMorris-uv2fc]

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[@steve_frenchcougar1747]

you guys are so stubburn you refuse hydro-québec help to build your dam and now your so in debt that you wont have a choice to sell back some land we wont have to take it back

[@GZPB]

Belongs to Quebec, no question. One day we will reclaim our land.

[@coolbuddydude1]

Reclaim “your land” it was never yours. And the French lost all claims when they lost the war.

[@GZPB]

@@coolbuddydude1 War is not over.

[@coolbuddydude1]

@@GZPB okay then...

[@sharonperry5213]

All native lands sorry. Lies of French history are lies ignorance. No catholic rule

[@shannongoulding5440]

At this point the territory should become its own individual territory. This obbsession with land claim is beyond me. Labradoreans are so use to this greedy grab and being used/taken advantage of. We are the land that everyone who has claim, love to claim, but hate to grow. Let Labradoreans own the territory and the resources and watch it flourish.

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

I agree, it's disconnected from both Newfoundland and most of Quebec. Shouldn't be a province though. Too small population

[@shannongoulding5440]

@@yourlocalyoutubecommenter that is why it would be a territory and not a province.

[@dannyboy032679]

Historically it should be Quebec, but culturally it’s an anglophone region that most closely resemble Newfoundlanders and should remain. I can’t believe Quebec rejected that offer! 😮

[@Narkogurio]

pride i guess, but yea kinda dumb

[@angelagendreau3586]

I can, they weren't French enough and they don't want to contaminate their blood. They'd use it at best to deport Anglos to.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

Pride and greed. The two most prominent French traits 😂😂😂 (Ovbiously just joking)

[@EmsiYTs]

@@Very_Silly_Individual I hope so

[@rpoutine3271]

Labrador is a piece of Quebec that was chopped, so is Newfoundland. We should separate from Canada and conquer these lands. >:D

[@johnholmes8919]

you are a special kind of numbskull now you are suggesting war? you would not win

[@vince8520]

Honestly it's really not a big deal in Quebec. I never hear about it.

[@maxterhyixell9778]

No no it really is a big dispute again today, it's just that other than politicians it is not very talked about

[@Bresto88]

You don't hear about it cuz QC really really benefits from the Churchill Falls deal. Just wait until they find some more resources to exploit. QC people will play victim again boohoo against the "English" Newfoundlanders

[@defo9546]

Should've learnt that in high school geography

[@dixonhill1108]

Yeah but you put your funny maps up, to newfie's this crap is supreme level prickery.

[@wipoute]

​@@maxterhyixell9778 it is less serious than the Denmark-Canada border on Hans Island tbh

[@kericmason]

The UK gave the Alaska panhandle to the US to curry favor and Canada has lived with it, Quebec needs to get over it.

[@linefrenette9116]

Let me laugh,,,,the day you English Canadians accept Quebec and the Quebecois, it will rain anvils 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robbyjohnson9684]

They have the biggest province in the country and yet even after confederacy there is a dispute. Can't believe we have that amount of disunity over a scrap of uninhabited wasteland.

[@bengagnon2894]

Ça n'a absolument aucune incidence de savoir à qui appartient le nord du Québec et le Labrador. Connaissez-vous le régime des claims miniers? Eh bien pour résumer, le nord du Québec et le Labrador sont des propriétés entièrement privée. Il suffit à une entreprise de réclamer un bout de terrain (aussi immense qu'elle le veut) et ainsi en devenir propriétaire de plein droit, peu importe qui y vit et ce qui s'y trouve. De plus, le régime des claims miniers a préséance sur toute autre Loi. Pour résumer encore plus : Battez-vous pour savoir où passe la limite administrative entre le Labrador et le Québec pendant que les entreprises minières se font des couilles en or à vos frais. Aucun sens commun. Aucune volonté populaire. Aucune souveraineté. Juste du gros ca$h.

[@Simboiss]

Prend une carte, trace les frontières actuelles du Québec, incluant le tracé décidé par des fuckers Britanniques non élus en 1927. Ensuite, avec un crayon d'une autre couleur, trace les endroits où le québec peut échanger avec un autre pays du monde, autre que les USA, sans passer par le Canada. Tu ne pourras rien ajouter, et ça explique pourquoi le Labrador a été tracé comme ça. Pour isoler le Québec.

[@benyseus6325]

Between this and the Wine Wars that happened with BC vs Alberta, these are the dumbest Canadian domestic conflicts

[@johnholmes8919]

there is no dispute or conflict this story is false

[@dixonhill1108]

That's not the sentiment in Newfoundland. Quebec routinely threatens to leave to get its way. Not a fan of wondering if my grandfather will wake up in another country. @@johnholmes8919

[@sotch2271]

​@johnholmes8919 there is, as a quebecker, newfoundlander do look at his with a weary eye

[@DaiAtlus79]

ts a disagreement of border, not even a dispute as Quebec is the only one who disputes it, the rest of canada and the world recognizes it.

[@Mercure250]

As a Québécois who believes Quebec should be independent (but I'm not here to spark that specific debate), while I like to joke around with the idea of Quebec owning Labrador and be like "We'll show the Newfies", I honestly do not understand why certain people in Quebec care so much. We already have so much territory, third times the size of metropolitan France, for only about 8 million people... And Labradoreans probably wouldn't want to be part of Quebec anyways; why even bother at this point? I can understand the dispute over the specific bits of border that might have been a little too much; that's fine to consider and try to negotiate. But the whole thing? Let's just leave that idea behind already. We lost our chance, it's been theirs for, what, a century by now? It's time to just take the L on that one. There's already so much we need to do, with or without independence, there's no point in picking a fight with Newfies and Labradoreans specifically.

[@Caper1144]

I would love Quebec to leave. They won't though, because they got it to good fleecing the rest of Canada... Or Western Canada.

[@chrisfernandez8916]

@@Caper1144 Quebec would have if it wasn't for the millions the federal gave to the west to come and show their fake love to turn the tides in the vote 😉. You guys need to make up your minds.

[@thomas_pâté1]

@@Caper1144 Stop pumping oil till theres no tomorrow and maybe you’ll stop getting some of that dirty money taken away

[@Caper1144]

@@thomas_pâté1 Wouldn't matter Quebec would find a way to fleece Canada.

[@Caper1144]

@@philippelarabie9871 I’m not a particularly patriotic Canadian. My province, NS, also fleeces Alberta. Not quite at the level Quebec does. But we do. I don’t really care about the National anthem and if Quebec were the original Canadians, they can keep the name.

[@johnearle1]

Saudi school maps don’t have Israel on them. Whatever weird reality floats your boat I guess. They still celebrate Kim Il Sung’s birthday in the Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea. It doesn’t make him any less dead.

[@dominiquebeaulieu]

It belongs to Québec for obvious reasons!

[@rnalonto]

Well, now we know why NL didn't want Quebec to be given any special privileges during the Meech Lake Accord... and it's not just because of the Churchill Falls fiasco.

[@KaiserWilhem2]

Quebec didn't sing it with every chance we got (3 time) and still didn't sign it today

[@robertkennedy5414]

If I recall correctly, Manitoba didn't ratify the Meech Lake Accord either.

[@gordsnow6962]

@@KaiserWilhem2 but you bottomfeders love the canadian taxpayers monies.

[@gordsnow6962]

it going to be a real joke when alberta wants their own APP LIKE QUEBEC GOT

[@robertkennedy5414]

@@gordsnow6962 if the latest poll is accurate, they don't want their own pension plan.

[@forest_green]

Simple. Give it back to the Indigenous people.

[@ec6052]

As a Newfoundlander, we don't care about Labrador, we don't need Labrador but if the French want it they'll have to pry it from our cold dead hands LOL JK We love ya, Labrador...

[@Devesci]

The land belongs to the people who live there. That means Newfoundland and Labrador. Quebec has a massive province, and they just have sour grapes.

[@noreavad]

Québecois here and I totally agree. The Labrador border ''conflict'' is 100% political and it is brandished as an argument by independent political parties against Big Bad Canada. If you ask the lambda Québecois to write a list of their top 50 priorities for our nation, the Labrador border would not even appear on it. And it's not like it's an international border. You can, at all time, just cross it and are free to move wherever you want as a Canadian.

[@dixonhill1108]

@@noreavad "You can, at all time, just cross it and are free to move wherever you want as a Canadian." and we'd be incredibly happy for the population boost. What no one in this video truly stated was the population of interior of Labrador is literally like 6,000 people.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Problem is that literally no one lives there.

[@Devesci]

Sounds like the place to move to. @@skaldlouiscyphre2453

[@clifflayne9073]

We can simply fix the problem by giving Quebec to Newfoundland and Labrador, problem solved.

[@odyssey1537]

Newfie here. I know right now that Labradorians don’t want to be a part of Quebec or Newfoundland to some extent, they’d rather be their own province. That will never happen though as there are some projects in Labrador that are going to be highly profitable when done (muskrat falls)

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Could this explain why Newfoundland and Labrador remained under British rule until 1949 when the rest of Canada became independent in 1867? Also do you think that if Quebec were to become independent, the rest of Canada will also break up, with the provinces to the east of Quebec, forming one country retaining present capital of Ottawa, and the provinces and territories which are further west than Quebec becoming a new nation with its capital at Vancouver?

[@WeirdAwesomeGeography]

Sure! I'll do videos on those two topics. I plan to do a longer video on the Quebec Independence Movement in the near future, scripts about half done right now :)

[@amossimon3438]

That would create competition. That would be good for the locals. But not so good good for Big Corporations

[@bezotchs6725]

Newfoundland was not part of the Dominion of Canada, it was an independent British colony. After WWII Newfoundland held a referendum and had three choices: Remain under British rule, join Canada or outright independence. None of the choices had an outright majority support, so a second referendum was held with only the top 2 choices, join Canada and outright independence, with joining Canada receiving majority support. As to your other point, whether Quebec or Western Canada will ever separate is hard to say. But I can absolutely guarantee you Vancouver would not be the capital of a western republic.

[@amossimon3438]

@@bezotchs6725 Newfoundland was.home of the Bethocks Indans and first nation people's.That"s who it still belong to. The rest of the world need.take charge.

[@amossimon3438]

With Canada interfereing into other parts of the world like Coup in Ukraine in 2014.plus Canada's involvement in Tawain Independence from China. .Canada could face tought fight. To keep Canada together. .if trouble starts.This will not be like Referendum of 1995.