Why Anti-Migrant Pushback Laws are On the Rise in Europe

[@backslay]

i'm so glad people are finally realizing that we can't just let everyone in

[@AustrianPainter14]

I say we let in zero

[@hofimastah]

Migration laws we have haven't been designed for the current situation of mass migration and weaponising migrants.

[@stereomachine]

Agreed. I'm normally really socially liberal, but uncontrolled migration is having a tangible impact on the EU, and it needs to be controlled one way or another.

[@laid-backmonster1881]

This, I'm an immigrant, living in the EU, and am against such pushback against migration (cause hey, Europe needs immigrants to fill the jobs they don't/can't fill...). But I'm fully against this weaponization of migrants, and if I were in the Finn's politician's shoes, I'd probably vote for the push back as well, although it's against the international law...the thing is, no one is winning there, and the refugees just want a place where they can be safe. At the end of the day, they will be the ones that suffer greatly.

[@emperorjonz9590]

@@stereomachine Yeah EU signing treaties and not honoring it is normal haha

[@beepboopbeepp]

Its not just weaponising back in the past there was no free stuff and help people who came to Europe would have had to work bad jobs and build up from nothing Now however they get stuff handed to them left and right

[@boubayaga_]

@@stereomachine the weaponisation of migrants is obviously terrible, but at the end of the day that's not the fault of the individuals seeking refuge

[@miguellopes7627]

It's hard to work within international law when your unfriendly neighbors don't

[@andrewlee-py9zm]

bingo

[@mihaillapin1755]

It is hard but it is necessary if you want to consider yourself a democracy

[@PwerRanger01]

@@GrotesqueSoulthorn That religion and people predominant now invaded originally. They were colonists. Hypocrisy incarnate

[@idoshulman6379]

​@@PwerRanger01Jews didn't invade Israel. You could argue that the way the land was acquired between 1900-1948 was illegally acquired, but it was never invaded. By 1948 there were already many Jews throughout the land of Israel, and they might have acted unjustly to defend their land, but again, never invaded.

[@lullaby218]

@@GrotesqueSoulthorn Ottomans, the end. The land was judeo-Christian. You can't change recorded history. You can't only go back as far as it fits you.

[@vincent_hall]

Turning away people you don't want from entering your country is a core right of any nation. To deny that is to deny the concept of a country.

[@darcyhoodtube]

I feel like even if it wasn’t seen as a human rights violation to not let immigrants in, some countries (mine especially, France) would still allow immigrants in despite what the people of the country want. We don’t want immigrants, the government does. (Idk if that makes sense sorry)

[@duncanhw]

Fleeing war is a core right of any human.

[@jayc1139]

@@duncanhw 'Feeling war' and 'going where you please' are different.

[@AustrianPainter14]

duncanhw So why don’t you go to China or Japan? Why is it always where Europeans live? Can’t you leave us alone?

[@sreenarayanram5194]

According to historians and anthropologists lived in colonial British period in india in their works Malabar manual by William Logan (1887) and castes and tribes in south india by edgar therlsun (1909) which eloborate the details and life style of more then 300 castes in south india clearly mentioned thiyya caste in north malabar kerala have some european ancestry and it is the only hindhu caste mentioned in Eurasian category by edgar therlsun in his book caste and tribes of south india (1909) and Logan States that " There are, in North Malabar, many individuals, whose fathers were European. Writing, in 1887, concerning the Tiyan comniunity, Mr. Logan states* that “the women are not as a rule excommunicated if they live with Europeans, and the consequence is that there has been among them a large admixture of European blood, and the caste itself has been materially raised in the social scale. In appearance some of the women are almost as fair as Europeans.” On this point, the Report of the Malabar Marriage Commission, 1894, states that “in the early days of British rule, the Tiyan women incurred no social disgrace by consorting with Europeans, and, up to the last generation, if the Sudra girl could boast of her Brahmin lover, the Tiyan girl could show more substantial benefits from her alliance with a white man of the ruling race. Happily the progress of education, and the growth of a wholesome public opinion, have made shameful the position of a European’s concubine ; and both races have thus been saved from a mode of life equally demoralizing to each.” Does it gives thiyas of malabar kerala India any rights in UK or right to emigrate USA or UK because thiyas are hindhus 😂

[@ludwighaugg8239]

If following "international Law" means literally giving up on you countrys security and control, it obviusly needs to be changed/ abandoned. It is nothing sacred it is just paper signed by people who couldn`t imagine the current situation.

[@ludwighaugg8239]

"This paper says you have to accept your daughter never will be able to feel safe", only evil or pathetic people would say "ok".

[@marshmallowcello7528]

​@@ludwighaugg8239and that's what Russia and Belarus are rubbing their hands at. To make the EU look like hypocrites.

[@kyleslater5245]

Especially if the other side of the border is well actively antagonizing… that side signed a paper saying Ukraine would not be invaded by anyone as well. To make sure it’s correct they are invading it themselves to keep even the Ukrainians out…

[@TheShalalai]

National law is above international law. Simple as that. If unelected officials do not like it, we should be ignoring so called international law.

[@malogibeaux4946]

And only very stupid and misinformed people would think that it is what these charts says.​@@ludwighaugg8239

[@DreadnoughtDave]

Each country has the right to protect their borders and country. The whole of Europe should follow suite.

[@leGUIGUI]

That's not relevant, there. Giving ourselves the means to actually process those migrants would not make our borders unprotected.

[@Rokaass]

@@leGUIGUI it is virtually impossible to "give ourselves the means", there are simply too many migrants

[@leGUIGUI]

@@Rokaass According to who is that impossible?

[@DaDunge]

No, but on the EUs external borders it may be nessecery. International law was written in another age.

[@leGUIGUI]

@@DaDunge That doesn't make them less relevant and no, the US doesn't need to renounce to them either.

[@B_men_apo]

The whole world can’t all live in Europe.

[@chadbrad8100]

no one said they do

[@nitr0gen949]

@@chadbrad8100 Leftist ideologies do. In the name of globalism. Germany and france have officially become a "migrant country" they are no longer officially german or french (culture wise). 0 solutions for birth rates, and immigration will be forced regardless. either legally or through refugess.

[@leGUIGUI]

The whole world isn't asking.

[@raybod1775]

And U.S.

[@hkonhelgesen]

@@chadbrad8100 The rich get richer. With cheaper labour from Africa. The socialists get more powerful. With more docile imported high quality voters. Africa avoid painful free market reforms. When they export their people. In stead of capitalism, industry, jobs, production and real export. A lot of special enterests benefit from migration. At the expense of the people.

[@azahel542]

Look, people have been "rescuing" migrants on the coast of Libya and taking them all the way to Italy. At some point, people realize it's getting ridiculous.

[@teddyzaehmer]

You mean the refugees from war or human slaves of some warlord in a currently failed state are atleast somewhat safed? And that on a bugdet that last i checked was at around 760 euros per person? How dare they !?!

[@DmitriiShelamov-i3r]

@@teddyzaehmer it's very easy to be generous when it comes to someone else's money;)

[@happinesswastaken]

You wouldn't have Libyan migrants if you didn't coup gadaffi lol

[@babute21]

@@teddyzaehmer Is there any research into this? I bet most of these migrants, 90% of which are military aged men are just looking to get into Europe for benefits, Germany and Sweden did research into economic contribution of middle eastern migrants that came from 2015 and concluded that they are a net negative to the economy. I dont want my taxes going to supporting leeches.

[@aiojcxs0932czxlkm]

@@happinesswastaken Wouldn't have Libyan migrants if they didn't allow them in. Hopefully European countries will revoke citizenships and deport millions of non-whites like Algeria did to Europeans.

[@BoredomIncarnate1]

International law is effectively meaningless, there's no punishment for breaking it and no enforcement measures.

[@SaruyamaPL]

There are economics sanctions which have been used by plenty of big players to punish smaller ones.

[@halkon4412]

@@SaruyamaPLWhich are usually done on the whims of the country pushing the sanctions, rather than on a principled commitment to international law.

[@DaDunge]

Well in this case it also hasn't caught up to technology, the idea of a refugee flying across a quarter of the world is simply ridicolous.

[@TheRichCapitalist]

Every country has its own sovereignty. If the UN was able to enforce measures against countries, especially powerful ones, they would withdraw from the organization.

[@theteamxxx3142]

@@SaruyamaPL sorry but who can put sanctions on 3/4 of the Eu countries ? good luck doing it

[@cirno9976]

like an alcoholic realising that beer was destroying his liver in his mid 50s

[@robertokandal]

they dont belogn to a country so this si not racism this si stopping colonization and that ITS not a CRIME.!

[@B1gLupu]

Only Sweden, the UK and Germany had good full "let them all in" mode, Eastern Europe has not.

[@coomercommander2554]

​@@B1gLupuand statistics show, those 3 countries are fucked 😂

[@Dominic-hz5gv]

@@B1gLupuand France, Holland and Belgium

[@B1gLupu]

@@Dominic-hz5gv France is a colonial power, so that doesnt count. The other two, fair paint.

[@Ethaara]

Yeah, I’m with Finland on this one

[@lochlanensign5034]

Yeah so am I it seems like that war is inevitable sometime soon in the future very soon I would imagine

[@Bushswen]

yeah

[@MiSt3300]

Laws dictating the treatment of refugees were designed in the 1950s right after WW2. 75 years later the world is DIFFERENT, and back then nobody weaponised migrants and people didn't migrate to rich countries on such a scale. This means we must change these laws, and protect the borders, and ensure swift deportation procedures for those who come here illegally, or get their visa rejected. What's the point of the entire visa system if after being rejected the migrants / undesirable people can just cross the border on foot and be granted 'asylum', which basically means we are providing housing and food free of charge for those people? This is absolutely ridiculous.

[@HarithBK]

a core issue is that for these poorer nations having there people migrate to richer nations makes them more productive for that nations as they send money back home and vacation there. so why would they stop them from going? why would the accept people that return when the asylum is denied? the laws aren't being honored by these nations so why should we honor them then?

[@Ziolek.2000]

​@@HarithBK On one hand your right immigrants from poor countries do often contribute by sending money back to their families. On the other your forgetting about a key factor brain drain. Poor countries need skilled and educated workers otherwise they suffer from not having people to fill important jobs and not having people to provide training for new workers. Of course a lot of these migrants are not skilled workers as usually they would come on a legal visa. Despite that they are still shrinking their population and labour workforce especially when a lot of these people are younger and are vital for the economy.

[@TheBooban]

No. Our forefathers were not dumb. These people are not refugees. New governments have ignored the laws!

[@respair1385]

People often tend to forget the scale of WW2 refugees, for instance over 116,000 Poles took asylum in Iran (and also other parts of the middle east), they were received warmly, like how Germany helped Syrian refugees back in 2016. this sort of thing happen when there's a major war happening, most people will return if the situation becomes stable enough, the scale of development on its own isn't enough for people to decide they have to leave their homes.

[@ruekurei88]

@@Ziolek.2000You’d have a better point if brain drain wasn’t happening with legal migration instead. A lot of talented and skilled people in poorer countries migrate legally for better pay and better prospects in life. And if shit goes tits up in a country, these people are the first to leave for sunnier shores. The poorer ones usually try to deal with whatever’s happening until it gets way too bad and they make dangerous treks that can claim their lives. Basically brain drain in countries mainly stem from legal migration. It’s always been a problem for third world and developing nations.

[@meshuga27]

Hybrid warfare participants from Middle East coming from Belarus are not refugees - they have Belarusian tourist visa and can apply for refugee status there if they wish for. Same apply for people coming from Russia.

[@margareta9081]

Exactly and how do they have money to spend on traffickers

[@Aquacrystal78]

​@@margareta9081they waste all of it on those traffickers

[@joelhungerford8388]

What about all those millions of Middle eastern 'migrants' mother Merkel welcomed back in 2015, are they also hybrid warfare partipants, or just the typical doctors & engineers like the left wing always harbour on about?....

[@GD-jc3wx]

Let the Human Rights groups cry about it.

[@ponocni1]

I love how they cry, but human rights go both ways. Ilegals trample all over the rights of citizens of countries they ilegaly flee into. Most the time, these people are both burden on society and do not have in them to integrate and often cause problems. Also its spit into faces of people that go into the process legaly, people that actually are willing to play ball with the society they want to get into. Last thing is, if they were fleeing from war, why they did not flee into countries around with similar culture and customs, where they would be able to integrate better, but instead are going over the fucking sea into totally different region with absolute incompactible values.

[@margareta9081]

Exactly!

[@pwnguinuwu]

Something you clearly don't care about.

[@karlscher5170]

MusIim countires reject Human rights from the west

[@Zmyszen]

​@@pwnguinuwuWhy should he? The problem isn't migration, it's *ILLEGAL* migration. Would you bring home a homeless, because "everyone have to have a place to live"? Who would you blame if one day you would see your home trashed and valuables stolen? I'm sure you would be angry. But, what if someone would give you a criminal record of him, and you'd see he r'ed 4 girls and stolen at least 30k $? Would you STILL say "Yes, come in?"

[@carlcramer9269]

Asylum has become obsolete. It was instituted post WWII for displaced Europeans. It was then expanded to cover the world. During the Cold War, it worked for the limited number of people who escaped the Warsaw Block. But today, long-range travel has become cheap, and human trafficking has expanded to the point where asylum laws no longer work. But abolishing it is too controversial, so instead we create workarounds like those outlined here. Double morals is worse than no morals.

[@hydoffdhagaweyne1037]

As a Somali, I support these Finnish procedures for handling economic migrants. I think it's pretty self-explanatory that Europeans are sick and tired of uncontrolled immigration

[@hydoffdhagaweyne1037]

I guess there are limits when it comes to generosity and helping fellow human beings. However, nations should not exhaust themselves to keep other nations afloat, which is exactly what the Western world has been doing for a while now. As a citizen of a third-world country, I am grateful for this. However, this policy should stop now for the sake of Europe's future and for the betterment of third-world citizens.

[@Olaf-zy5ie]

Because you are already in EU?

[@Zyzyx442]

Had two Somali friends where grew up, one integrated and became a atheist succesful tattoo artist, the other was sent to a extremist religious school and now lives in the UK. Integration is the key, especially intermarriages, problem is religion that pushes parents to prevents their kids from marrying native population, in the long term only intermixing will create assimilation, if not it will always be "us" and "them".

[@dinte215]

​@@Zyzyx442look man I live in Botswana. Non of the Europeans here integrate into our society, so why should other people integrate into European society. Like they stay here behind the highest walled yards in the country, demand you change your laws to suit them and never meet any locals except in offices or factories. Even the more vilified Chinese you meet in Clubs or sports venues, but Europeans, Arabs and Indians are the worst migrants in the country who don't even try to interact with you unless they are selling something.

[@aiojcxs0932czxlkm]

@@Zyzyx442 Intermixing is the worst possible thing. How could you want your culture and genetics to die out? Disgusting.

[@XY-uc1tw]

Someone who crosses the border without a visa is not a migrant, but an illegal border crosser! It's very disrespectful to call these people as migrant because, there are some real legal migrants, who settled with legal work and live permission.

[@mittfh]

By your definition, *everyone* fleeing warfare in their own country is an "illegal border crosser", so presumably should stay put even if there's a very high risk of them being killed, either by their own government or by the forces fighting them?

[@staskozak8118]

@@mittfh, but for some reason the refugees from Ukraine did not break the barricades and did not break through by force, but went through checkpoints and bureaucratic procedures.

[@mittfh]

@@staskozak8118 Many governments set up schemes to directly import Ukrainians, either directly from their country or neighbouring ones. The UK also had a scheme for Hong Kong nationals and a (very) limited number of those who'd worked for us in Afghanistan. From pretty much anywhere else, there are few (if any) schemes to apply to enter a country from abroad if you don't have a passport, funds and several months to wait for a visa application to be processed. The UK is apparently the fourth most popular country in Europe to claim asylum by overall numbers, while the handful of research studies indicate the top reasons are the language and existing communities of their nationality (both likely a consequence of Empire) rather than expecting lots of freebies. Having said that, given the increasing numbers of entrants with very conservative social ideologies, maybe the government could compile a primer on prevalent British / European attitudes on things like gender roles, expect to see plenty of people wearing "immodest" clothing, we quite like LGBT+ people etc, and if they have problems with any of that, let someone know and we'll try to fine a more "compatible" country for them (perhaps cases like those could be where a vestige of the voluntary element of the Rwanda Scheme could come in useful: deals with countries for those who do have a likely genuine claim, but whose ideology is at servere odds with European social norms).

[@SatongiFilms]

@@mittfh what war is in turkey? they come here to drive Toyota Prius with Bolt and be a nuisance to everyone.

[@AnmEEE-e6g]

​@@mittfh Russia can stop this war at any time

[@armandsgulbis4291]

They are not refugees, they are Syrian Afghan ETC tourists in Belarus! they are invited there as tourists- with tourist visas! next - there is no war in Belarus so they can seek asylum there.

[@rokasdobrovolskis]

They are "invited" by shady NGO's funded by Soros. Belarus is a scapegoat in this situation.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

Exactly. You're not fleeing persecution once you've left the unsafe country. If Syrians are claiming refuge in Turkey, they're refugees. It's the next safe country. If they're from Afghanistan, claiming asylum in England, then they've crossed like 20 safe countries. They're not longer refugees.

[@LifeisajokeER]

i think he said that belarus abused those who didnt go to europe so definitely its not safe for them in belarus

[@Elbereth_TV]

@@LifeisajokeER well then they can go back home, since they have no right to seek asylum anywhere

[@yury3548]

As a Belarusian, the result of this was not Poland fludded with migrants. The result was that the center of Minsk was packed with those "tourists" sitting on their baggage and having nowhere to sleep.

[@cheshirekat8273]

We mustn't forget that the current migration laws were all born of the 1984 Ethiopian Famine and other humanitarian crisis of the 80's and 90's. They were never updated to take into consideration the weaponization of migrants, changes in absorption capacity of welcoming nations or the commercialization of illegal migration by criminal organizations.

[@eykan_ow]

Sweden needed this law so many decades ago...

[@DaDunge]

our only EU external border is with norway. Do we get a lot of refugees from Norway?

[@thedamntrain5481]

​@@DaDunge your country is literally Swedenstan now, are you really proud that lots of immigrants are in Sweden?

[@DaDunge]

@@thedamntrain5481 No its not, I grew up in one of the few areas where more than half te people spoke a diffrent language than Swedish at home so I know they're not that common, and how marignalized the people who live there really are. And yes I am. What I am not proud of is how we allowed them to be segregated once they came here. That's the reason for pur problems today.

[@skullyboi1215]

@@DaDunge You do realise Oceans exist and Sweden accepted thousands to help other EU countries with their migration problem by taking in said thousands.

[@DaDunge]

@@skullyboi1215 I am aware. But I don't recall there being particularly many refugee boats arriving in Sweden. As for other EU countries, we are obliged by treaty to keep the four freedoms, that is a non negotiable part of being in the EU. Also if the countries on the external EU border has this it's enough.

[@bassetts1899]

Finland is not in an easy position, Russia poses a real risk and they have an enormous border.

[@toyotaprius79]

And visa versa. But neither take seriously the catastrophic permafrost melt and wetland emissions from global warming

[@SK-nw4ig]

@@toyotaprius79 How so?

[@stereomachine]

@@toyotaprius79 idt vice versa applies; who's going from finland into russia lol

[@RooiGevaar19]

Vice versa? Finland has neither interest nor plans to invade Russia, disrupt Russian daily lives or migrate to their country.

[@soundscape26]

@@toyotaprius79 Except Finland doesn't weaponise migrants.

[@kinexxona06]

We should redefine how to handle human rights, because it is a joke at this point.

[@RabbitShirak]

Fun fact, when the Human Rights were adopted in the 1940s, Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam was adopted by over 40 countries in 1990.

[@BornKafir]

​@@RabbitShiraknot so Fun fact: slavery is 💯halal even today. Mohammad had slave girls that he slept with.

[@greatteacheronizuka]

Russia has been doing the same to Estonia as well before Finland's issue, around the same time or a little later than Belarus doing the same to Lat Lit and Pol

[@Corndogg316]

Countries should have no automatic obligation to house all refugees. A countries top priority should be for the welfare of its citizens.

[@hismajesty6272]

Dissenters for that Finish bill are trying to destroy their country.

[@l__l2328]

It's just the usual "It'll work this time" delusion

[@killerinstinctwithringgene713]

should get investigated, same as Greens all over the world

[@m.tayyab3290]

Some things to consider: (1) The vast majority of migrants coming in are not legitimate refugees but economic migrants. Its basic common sense to not take refugee claims on face value. (2) In the case of the small number of legitimate refugees, it's worth considering whether it's good for both the host country and the refugee if the individual doesn't have compatible values to live in the West, thereby inhibiting integration and assimilation.

[@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ]

Legitimate refugees who are uncompatipable should also be deported, just not in their homeland but to some safe place which will accept them, like another muslim country for example.

[@chadbrad8100]

@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 true

[@MrYugideck]

@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Ukrainans are NOT temporary. Recent polls show that the VAST MAJORITY want to stay in Germany (who wouldnt?).

[@unothgor]

@Minimmalmythicist They might have the education, they don't have the same culture & values.. I've had plenty of "try-offs", co-workers from middle east trying out the job I'm at. They 99% go for back stabbing if it benefits them at some ways. They just don't know that even bosses frown off that behavior. Cohesion is the nr.1 quality needed in european work enviroment.

[@daveanglo2581]

@Minimmalmythicist I'm sorry but I don't think you know what your talking about. The fact that Syria is a some-what diverse place, or that 30% of them have a higher education doesn't change the fact that for these people have to travel through multiple other nations that aren't in conflict to reach the "richer" and better western ones. Additionally plenty of the people who claim to be seeking asylum from "Syria" and other war-torn places aren't always from these areas. I'll admit that most of them would be unable to even get to these western nations without claiming asylum (as they have no embassy in most western nations and I believe they have no visa agreements with anyone in Europe outside Albania, making the process incredibly hard) Most of the educated Syrians don't need make their way to Europe as they can actually get a job easily from one of their neighbours (Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc). A large percentage of the Syrian men that make their way to Europe are draft dodgers, who are avoiding the draft as they cant afford to pay to escape it. Its interesting that you talked about Syria, considering this year that the middle east only makes 22% of asylum seekers to the EU, while Africans make up 23%. and of the "Irregular border crossings" Syrians only made up 27% of that (which they can self identify for if there is no documentation I believe). You also mention Syria being having Christians, which is true but they are only 10% of the population of Syria, the majority of these refugees aren't Christian are your purposely obfuscating that. In 2015 Germany accepted 96% of asylum requests in total, and took, and has taken in over 1 million Syrian refugees, with is incredibly high from a nation that doesn't share a culture, border, heritage, religion or sea with that nation to take in. If you cant understand why people are put off about the amount of refugees with a figure like that, then your discussing in bad faith. Telling people they "don't know what they're talking about" will never get anyone to agree with you and comes off elitist and like you believe yourself superior to the person your talking to. You've shown yourself "talking down" to people based on a single sentence by them.

[@justskip4595]

Nations need to protect citizens and also those that they let in. It is not good for the citizens, tourists, migrants for anyone in long term if civil order is let to be degraded by uncontrolled changes. If someone moves from abroad here to Finland, I want that person to be safe and secure here along with everyone else.

[@thepax2621]

Its also popular in other europian countries. Some politicians and media just don't want to see it

[@UtamagUta]

smart people, they know that those igrants do not intend on staying in boarder countries - they go deeper to the established ghettoes in Germany, Sweden, France, etc.

[@ArtemLisunov]

My neighbor, a Somali, has been living in Finland for 29 years and he has not worked a day... 😂😮

[@AgentCarp]

"Human rights" groups forget about the rights of the people living on the land.

[@Rui301]

I still dont get how people get so worked over pushbacks. Its your country. You dont have any duty to share it with everyone in the world. Its ilegal migration for a reason. International law isn't objectively right by default.

[@erik_havoc]

It's not my country, earth belongs to all and I don't care if you think you have a right to pushback people who are on the move. No human being is illegal, and also there is a law that no matter how a person got there if they apply for asylum they have a right to stay, that's all, you are the one that is being a moron

[@PwerRanger01]

The globhomo doesnt want that though.

[@Fockan]

And the people who promote always have an anterior motive

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

People screeching about international law also have no idea what they're talking about. The law doesn't state anything about migrants - and even with regards to aslyum seekers, it states about them having to be directly facing persecution in the country they're in (which, isn't France for migrants to the UK for example) as well as stating a country has a right to refuse if it is against the interest of the country to accept them (on grounds of security of social cohesion for example). Countries absolutely can legally reject asylum seekers if it would be bad for the country.

[@erik_havoc]

@@Patrick-y4d1z No country has a right to do pushbacks, no matter how you jump around and screech about it. Asyluym seekers have a right to stay in a country no matter how they entered, that's the law, even if it wouldn't be, restricting migration is immoral

[@MietoK]

According to russians their country is a safe country. So asylum seekers can stay there and live happily

[@leGUIGUI]

Nazi Germany also claimed their country was safe.

[@inenfmk]

Indeed. They have a lot of land there.

[@grzeh9713]

They can inhabit whole world there

[@thxtalk]

To be honest, Russia is now safer than many European cities precisely because of the migrants who can cut you in the middle of the city

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

There are 185 millions of displaced people in the world, and even bigger number of those who live in terrible countries and did not leave their homes yet: There are 690 millins people living in extreme poverty. Billions living in countries whit serious human right violations. Billions endangered by climate change. Many of those would like to come to Europe if they could, many of those would have the right to asylum. It is quite obvious that Europe can't take them all. The number of people Europe can take will be always lower than the number of people who would want to come. The easier and safer the journey is the more will come. So there are two options: Europe opens it doors, welcomes houndred of millions of people and collapses, or Europe close its doors and try to stop the flow which is not possible without violating those migrants' human rights and violating the international law. Both these options are bad and it is sad to live now when we Europeans face such a terrible dillema.

[@The_FatGeneral]

The second option isnt bad at all mate

[@jhacklack]

Not our problem

[@beepboopbeepp]

Simple solution is they recieve no help or drastically less help. This in turn will make it so less people make the journey when they realize how difficult it will be to get established in that country. Take american back in the old days people came with nothing and got nothing they had to work for it. Those are the kinds of people we should attract here not the ones who complain about "our rights"

[@naapsuvaimne740]

if 3rd world nations cant manege themself then sameone should take these nations over and rule them

[@naapsuvaimne740]

@@beepboopbeepp ww2 people fleed to sweden and they didnt get anything for free

[@rtyzxc]

"international law" my ass. Our country, our law.

[@ilovepeoplebro]

It should be called "globalist law"

[@MLGpromyass]

Globalism and the no-more-borders crews are destroying the west

[@kurrwa]

Imperialism 😂

[@MM-ww6yb]

EU will force whatever they want on your country bro. Lol. Like they’ve done so many times before, or they’ll extort you to do whatever they want your country to do or they’ll freeze funds

[@prometheus7387]

International law isn't like national law, it's a set of guidelines that appeal to a wide range of countries. It's mostly just summarized as "You don't harm me, I won't harm you." International law can be ignored, but don't cry if the other country suddenly says they're doing things that are harmful to your country.

[@ThePaalanBoy]

When the elevator says max 12 people at a time, it is max 12 people at a time or the elevator is going to eventually break down and a country is significantly harder to repair.

[@kitsunekaze93]

whaaat? but resources are infinite! unless you approve of taking in everyone you must be a monster! (sarcasm)

[@Wozza365]

Illegal migration is even more frustrating when you have people who worked hard and paid a lot of money to migrate legally. These people are the equivalent of jumping the queue and not having to pay a penny to the host country for the luxury. If they were refugees, they would be relieved to be in any safe country (including Belarus and Russia). Many Syrians for example are in Turkey and have not travelled further. If they were economic migrants of any value (ie doctor, IT, teacher), they would be approved a visa in many countries

[@leGUIGUI]

"Illegal migration is even more frustrating when you have people who worked hard and paid a lot of money to migrate legally." Not this trite argument, please. Migrating into a country and ask for asylum IS a legal way to migrate. You are then processed and if it is proven your life is at risk where you come from, you have the right to stay. The kind of migration you talk about are for people from country where they do not suffer from persecution and their life are not at risk, which means it's actually possible for them to work in the first place. People whose life are at risk do not have the means to do that.

[@Wozza365]

@@leGUIGUI not this trite again. These people are not refugees, many come from safe countries. A genuine refugee would be happy to be in the first safe country they reach. And quite frankly that's what the rules should be. Syrians refugees in Turkey do not speak Turkish when they arrive, they don't even get a particularly warm welcome either, struggling to get by, often discriminated by Turkish people and yet they are (relatively) safe, at least from war. If my country was at war I'd just be happy to get across the first border, I don't speak the language of my neighbouring countries. The rules have to change and these people must be processed in the first safe country they reach, we're being taken for mugs and letting this many people in who are not vetted and offer little to society is not compatible with the welfare states and trust based systems we have in Europe. I am happy for my country to take genuine refugees from Turkey, Jordan etc bordering conflict zones. Someone who is willing to pay criminal gangs 1000s to traffic them to their preferred country and travel 1000s of miles is not a refugee and should never be treated like one, they must be sent back immediately or detained. For the record I wouldn't consider myself right wing on this issue, I'm pro migration and I'm pro helping refugees, but what is happening right now is a massive problem and it is not being caused by genuine refugees.

[@peterjones5243]

The real victims are the natives, not other immigrants.

[@ponocni1]

@@leGUIGUI And I will ask why these "people" do not stay in first country where their lives are not in danger. I am not saying there might not be exceptions here and there, mostly the Alphabet people, but absolute majority what we are dealing with are young man that are not fleeing because of prosecution, but to get to wealthy country with expectation of handouts. Maybe blame these dickheads for exploiting goodwill of Europe, making it nearly imposible to deal with the situation in moral way. Its the rock and a hard place situation and there is no easy solution that will not hurt at least some people. There are already huge problems with the migrant communities causing havoc in places like Paris.

[@nitr0gen949]

@@leGUIGUI MATE, there are people lying about, there is loopholes, pretending to be LGBTQ, WHY the hell u think its just males coming into here? It increases rap3s too which is not sent to media so no one knows about it. Just another one in paris recently.

[@felliceteii6944]

If countries that have no respect for international law are going to weaponise the morals of countries that do, then perhaps going down to the same level of those dictatorships is the only option to safeguard the borders.

[@leGUIGUI]

@@PlasticDoll. "we also need protection" it is quite possible to treat all migrants without sacrificing security. We just have to be willing to put the means and the resources to it. Using the false "security" argument has always been a bad faith argument. It is essential that you realize that most migrants have never been a threat, like most people.

[@PlasticDoll.]

​@@leGUIGUI I wish it was that easy.. but for democracy, the good, human rights and all that to prevail we also need protection. We can't have a bear plushie against a real bear.. we must also be monstrous in a way but somehow that doesn't go with our values.. it's just how the world works, we have to stoop to their level in some sectors

[@dallysinghson5569]

Don't need to give up on those principles, but it would be daft to not recognise that your humanity is being exploited and needs further evaluation

[@leGUIGUI]

@@dallysinghson5569 Not exploited, but challenged. Those are still human beings that deserve the minimum of dignity.

[@thxtalk]

It seems to me that when European countries figure this out it will be too late.

[@gianlucamastrangelo4705]

international laws are followed only by democratic european country, should be renamed european laws. it's ridiculus.

[@leGUIGUI]

The EU should still follow those laws. If even the EU can't follow them, other countries will have ground to appeal sanctions when the EU want to sanction them for not respecting those laws either.

[@abcddef2112]

EU are not following the law they set themselves for the entire world.....

[@gianlucamastrangelo4705]

@@leGUIGUI useless. If you sanction those countries what you obtain is that: first those countries don't pay the saction; second their sentiment against europe increase and third, they start to shift their economy to other countries with a growing economy and less interest in their administration of their country and no saction. And this situation feed even more all the problems regard immigration.

[@gianlucamastrangelo4705]

Beacuse if they can gain easy money from us by simply blackmail with immigrants why should they stop? We in Europe are the one that should stop with these ridiculous law pro immigrants and starts to show that these tricks don't work anymore. The reason why the far right is growing is exactly that, the laws of welfare for everyone and inclusion create a keep growing dept and now things don't work anymore. There are too many problems and the solution is to become strong and stop be the blackmailing. There is the need of many iron first laws after all these years of chaos

[@DaDunge]

@@leGUIGUI These laws are outdated and need to be rewritten.

[@sweetelle2196]

we need to revisit the aslyum and migration laws. They were written post WW2 and were really only designed to support refugees from neighbouring countries

[@kindnuguz]

Time to re-write laws which fit todays environment as opposed to outdated laws which fit the environment decades ago. Exploitation of outdated laws is what is going on

[@TheWhiteSharkSH]

It's pretty simple illegal migrants must apply to the migration department legally if they want to stay and enjoy the same rights that's all( know the language and culture and acknowledgement of the country laws)

[@Noswiatel]

There once were labor camps, and what I mean is, shipping the illegal migrants back to their countries is costly. Should they earn the ticket first if they slip in and get caught weeks later.

[@example_channel_55]

We don't need push back laws, we need send back laws.

[@ionut-cristianratoi7692]

Politicians that endorse loose asylum laws, have no interest in living in areas where allot of migrants are living. It's like those celebrities flying private jets to conferences, telling people that should not use cars, because they pollute too much. And too add salt to the wound, most of them also own private yachts.

[@amirhosseinhosseinzadeh7627]

As an atheist lgbt living Iran, I support these laws! Asylum is for people like us who face death and prosecution, not people who are going to just misuse the welfare state and call sharia for UK!

[@robw7676]

Homosexuality was a criminal offense in the UK when the ECHR was signed. You will find very little support for LGBT asylum from the British public, because anyone can claim to be gay. That was a common scam 20 years ago.

[@HOTGUYSIXPACK]

Just fix your own country!

[@OnyedikachiBenedict]

Am a Nigerian and i support the finnish government. trying to follow human rights when another nation is using it against u is not necessary,why is it Finland's responsibility to cater for immigrants from a failed state like syria iraq and Pakistan

[@SuperSmashDolls]

You're forgetting the real reason Russia is doing this: to stop Russian refugees from being able to enter the EU. Russia needs the EU to stop taking in Russians so that Russia still has a military to invade them with.

[@ibrahim-sj2cr]

who made them fail? if you bomb countries and make citizens feel unsafe they will leave and go to a better place How does being a Nigerian Christian strengthen your opinion, why mention it? If it matters I am white and born in the UK.

[@OnyedikachiBenedict]

@@ibrahim-sj2cr Finland did not colonize any nation

[@joaosalgado8393]

@@ibrahim-sj2crFinland didnt touch any of those countries, are you mentally challenged?

[@AkasakaS2000]

@@ibrahim-sj2cr Was Pakistan bombed? Egypt? Morroco? Turkey? Tunisia? These countries are not as prosperous for another reason. You just don't want to admit it. Germany and Japan got bombed to the ground 80 years ago. Guess what happened? Still want to blame colonialism?

[@professor_kraken]

Don't know why it took so long, but people are slowly finally realizing that "International Law" is a bad joke.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

The citizenry has a right to except or reject migrants as they see fit, such a right is foundational to the idea of self determination. Of course most western European governments at least just decided to accept loads of migrants without asking the people first, hence right wing backlash.

[@Ziolek.2000]

I get why people critise these pushback laws but I don't see them proposing a viable alternative

[@theatheistbear3117]

Simple: close the borders. Let people seek asylum inside their country of origin.

[@Aoderic]

I'm all for human rights, and for helping refugees, I'm part of an organisation that the past two years have helped Ukrainian refugees settle in my country, and I have nothing but good to say about them. But the people who are trying to cross the border from Belarus and Russia, they are no longer refugees or migrants. When they accepted the deal with Lukasjenko and Putin, they now became mercenaries in an invasion force. They are no longer subject to the rights of refugees or migrants, they should be seen as the hostile force that they are. If they do not know that they are mercenaries, they should be told so, so they have a chance to return home, and not die as cannon fodder in Putins war on Europe.

[@najkiller1]

Happy ur helping Ukrainiens refugees, maybe you will help Palestinians too

[@Aoderic]

@@najkiller1 I would love to, but they aren't being allowed to come. When not even Egypt and Jordan wants to take them in, how are we supposed to convince the EU to take them in on Quota?

[@Aoderic]

Btw. we took in refugees from Afghanistan in the past, they are mostly doing well now. Quota Refugees do som much better, than undocumented immigrants.

[@mankytoes]

"they now became mercenaries in an invasion force" unbelievably hateful language towards people who are clearly being brutally exploited.

[@Aoderic]

@@mankytoes No it's just a sad fact, I don't hate any of them. And we aren't talking about women, children, elderly or handicapped, they are allowed to enter at regular border crossings to seek asylum. No we are talking about young strong men who have been brought to the border and given tools to break in. They should really have used their common sense to see it was illegal. In any case, I said I wanted them to know that they have been lied too, so they could return to a safer place.

[@andycandal5934]

Not anti-migrant law. But anti-illegal aliens law and anti-foreign criminals law.

[@Raky2427]

To note once more, these are refugees and are thus legal migrants until proven otherwise. And by the statistics, a vast majority are really refugees.

[@NightmareRex6]

and stop fking with the blanance of mena nd woman? lots countrys like china have MORE MALES than woman, and i bet they will dump them all here, I ALLREADY CANT FIND AN EFFING WOMAN DONT NEED MORE COMPETITION!!!!!!!

[@tomblade]

Don't people see how the enemies of Europe use human rights laws against them?! These refugee conventions should be completely reviewed and adapted to today's circumstances.

[@kolle128]

Wait, when Hungary did the same thing wasn't that bad?

[@Rdldafu]

And people keep saying, its not an invasion.. hmm 🤨

[@jyvids]

Yes, because they realise how severely damaging migration is and how flacid we are on it's policy

[@vavashapov8413]

I cannot understand where human rights are violated. I am a migrant who applied through the system and received a visa to come to the EU. None sent me away. Yet :)

[@dzmitry_k]

I can. Visas are absolutely opaque, there's no way to know why someone was refused a visa, there's no real way to appeal a visa refusal, etc. Visas are *not* a replacement for asylum laws. I also was lucky enough to get a visa, but international law does not depend on luck.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@dzmitry_k International law also doesn't require countries to take in migrants though.

[@leGUIGUI]

Not this trite argument, please. Migrating into a country and ask for asylum IS a legal way to migrate. You are then processed and if it is proven your life is at risk where you come from, you have the right to stay. The kind of migration you talk about are for people from country where they do not suffer from persecution and their life are not at risk, which means it's actually possible for them to work in the first place. People whose life are at risk do not have the means to do that.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@leGUIGUI Actually it isn't. They lose any asylum seeker status after passing through the first safe country. You even said it yourself. "The kind of migration you talk about are for people from country where they do not suffer from persecution and their life are not at risk" Last time I checked, the people in France are not under threat of death and don't need to flee to the UK. Therefore, not an asylum seeker by your own words.

[@dzmitry_k]

@@Patrick-y4d1z This is false. This is not how international law works. This is based on the often misunderstood Dublin agreement. Dublin Agreement is just internal EU regulation about how EU, internally, decides which country is responsible for handling asylum application. An asylum seeker *does not need* to know internal EU regulations. An asylum seeker can apply anywhere. And UK is not even in EU, so this does not apply to UK at all. «International law also doesn't require countries to take in migrants though» - migrants and asylum seekers are different categories, and international law does require countries to take in asylum seekers.

[@NicolásGonzálezAriza-t4u]

Could you make more videos about Spain? Lately it has been very interesting with the breakup of PP and VOX, the corruption cases of the President's family and the instability.

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

You can propose this topic in the form they provide. The link is in the description.

[@tiglishnobody8750]

There was a breakup of PP and VOX?

[@NicolásGonzálezAriza-t4u]

@@tiglishnobody8750 Yes, in the 5 regions in which they governed together. Supposedly it is because of immigration, but it is probably part of a new strategy, for example they have abandoned ECR and Meloni.

[@Brown95P]

In an ideal world you would indeed respect *_all_* asylum seekers, but the fact of the matter is that you can only go so far in respecting international law before a hostile dictatorship abuses it precisely for your own detriment. Ultimately, the fault lies squarely with these hostile dictatorships for finding and abusing these loopholes, not the ones pushing back against the abuse.

[@Setanta1913]

Mention the migration issues in Ireland 🇮🇪

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

Next they are going to say people are allowed to not let just anyone come in their house and sleep on their couch! It's just like 1930s Germany!!

[@Get_yotted]

“Violation of international law” Sounds like the biggest joke.

[@Dionysor]

I think the bigger issue is when countries like Germany give asylum seekers endless amounts of money and stay without being employed once. In history, we enabled immigration to have a larger workforce and rebuild after war. Look where we are now :(

[@Seeyou45]

Oh don't worry it's either have the migrats who crash the welfare system, or have none and collapse the welfare system. If it isn't obvious the welfare system was not designed to handle any of this... hell if I recall it's supposed to be only temporary state function not a permanent state function

[@valentinkrajzelman4649]

how to destroy an entire continent with political correctness

[@lexxihd5843]

Some asylum seekers can't even work if they want to, because they don't get a work permit until their right for asylum is checked which can take 2 years or so.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

Only push-backs into countries at war should be illegal. Push-back into safe country is imho just faster deportation.

[@whysoslow1999]

how do you feel about finland closing the border when russia is "at war" but said war is happening outside its borders and you arent in danger anywhere else (minus getting suicided by the govt for reasons)

[@kate_g-s2s]

@@whysoslow1999 Well, is Russia at war? Did Russia declare the war, or did it declare a "special military operation"?

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

@@whysoslow1999 Russia is larger than the rest of the continental Europe. Finish border is nowhere near war-zone

[@leGUIGUI]

Russia is at war, though, even if they deny it.

[@whysoslow1999]

@@lamebubblesflysohigh was mostly a question of if you support pushbacks into russia or not since it can be a country at war depending on how you look at it. sounds like we both support that so nvm

[@sagamerdog6544]

GEEE i wonder why the people are getting more and more sick of the immigration issue?

[@Andrii87]

Local population also has human rights. Like right to life .

[@slamacful]

The actual refugee law was a reflection for fleeing Eastern European through the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. Now the situation is totally different, so the law should be changed accordingly.

[@Kasierofhate-ga5]

Finnland W how is this controversial the Finnish nation is protecting its pepole and refusing to give up on its security Protecting the pepole is more important than interational law Closing borders is arguably the smartest thing you can do 🇫🇮🇦🇱 Sometimes violating international law is a good thing

[@Theodoros.8]

the question is why now and not earlier?

[@NoidoDev]

People cared more about not getting labeled as "something". Most people don't think politically, only care if things get really bad, but then it's mostly too late.

[@andybrice2711]

Because considerable numbers of Europeans are voting for populist nationalist parties.

[@CroatianUltraNationalist]

@@NoidoDev bs unless you live in france or sweden that wont happen

[@NoidoDev]

@@CroatianUltraNationalist Or Germany, or UK, USA, ... What do you think where these laws came from and why people didn't push back against it?

[@CroatianUltraNationalist]

@@NoidoDev USA is where the bs came from it later spread to western europe. people didnt react because they kept voting left wing parties in power while the east is voting nationalist ones.

[@stilicho539]

How are you acting like this is such a strange development. Have you actually spoken to any European over the past 2 years? I'm not counting Brits.

[@dingus6317]

Time for Europe to focus on Europe instead of trying to help everyone else

[@raindacer]

After seeing NYC migration crisis. Makes me question what is human rights? To kick out from entering the country or be homeless, trap in poverty and prey by criminals.

[@ErikHellsbornSD]

Well done, Finland.

[@mikel-zzzz]

I mean, with weaponized migration, it is on the best interest of Russia and Belarus to choose the worst kind of migration, so when they go find people to weaponize they will probably get criminals or radicalized people. It doesn't make sense to apply laws defined for random samples of people to a group of people specifically selected to destabilize a country. The blame of these new migration laws existing and of their application should clearly be on the countries weaponizing those migrants, it can't be solved by accepting the attack willingly and then trying to find a solution. International laws should keep up with present realities or they'll just become "aspirational". Which now that I think about it, it is on Russia's interest to discredit the international law, as in if everyone breaks it, it means nothing, and they can claim they are doing nothing wrong on the invasion of Ukraine, so this move is a win-win for them. I hope the international laws change and add exceptions for these new form of attacks pointing fingers to the actual perpetrators and trying to fix things on the origin, so where the migrants are "enlisted" / "lied to". This attack is so brutal and is so challenging to counter act, literally using people as ammunition, very on brand now that I think about it.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

Russia probably also wants to get the EU to close its borders so they don't accept Russian migrants, which would keep Russians in Russia and give Putin more conscripts to send into the Ukraine meat grinder.

[@Ricardo-mk2et]

Europe first

[@clearview5281]

If your country is not good enough for you, live with it as you built your country. Don't make our country like your country.

[@ЦветанГергинов-п2л]

Same for Bulgaria. 50% of the population are non-Bulgarian people.

[@MadeTheSame]

See the UN human rights declaration. It includes so many things that it is impossible not to have conflicts between the rights themselves and with reality. People take these rights as divine law when they are a set of general guidelines for an ethical society.

[@NatureStories-o3o]

Big issue from 2014 is we did not use the immigrant and we did not integrated them. This workforce was so good opportunity for Europe to create some big infrastructure projects around EU. Instead of putting them in camps where they stay all day don't intergrade don't spend energy and don't do anything, only their anger grows. We were supposed to make them work for 5 years as interns on different infrastructure projects(speed train connection between all EU capitals, etc...) teach them the language and culture and after 5 years of that if they did their part of Europe development they can get a citizenship if they had made some problems ticket home ...

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

How do you teach tens of thousands of people a completely new language to them when you already have a severe shortage of teachers in general? How do you train those same people in various jobs when they can't even speak the language? Not to mention that far too many were (or still are) coming and claiming to have a rather high qualification, rarely being able to provide any documentation to support that (due to "having had to flee so quickly" for example), so they usually don't even get considered for training for any "lower" jobs. Of course there are many who _do_ want to work - but again, how do you train so many people who can't even speak the language and can't learn it for a long time?

[@danpettersson4671]

I wonder if it's just me, but when a sales person tell "No time to think about it..." I loose interest all together.

[@DovieGuki]

loved your take on this subject, it’s so well thought out!

[@promatik]

Ocidental Europe used to be so good, so strong, so intelligent. What happened to us? Why did we get so dumb?

[@CharlieBruinsFilms]

Total, Degenerative Disorder

[@dood1e678]

The UK planning to send immigrants to Rwanda: The world: 🙂 EU countries protecting themselves against Russia: The world: 😠😡🤬

[@gaspernikl]

after all of these years this is actually a stupid question now

[@shroomyesc]

Was here when the title was just "Migrant Pushbacks YT" 👻

[@liphardusmagus5970]

Legend

[@aname4931]

🎉

[@vinesauceobscurities]

Nothing like the occasional glimpse into the inner workings of this channel. 😂

[@kinexxona06]

Same

[@levente9993]

What does YT even mean? T_T

[@rangerhalt]

Current Asylum and immigration laws were created in the post WWII era which is a very different era to now. The Asylum laws were designed to avoid another holocaust by forcing states to hear and process claims. It in no way accounted for the rampant abuse of the asylum system. The system needs to be completely abandoned.

[@TheOnesAtTheBottom]

We have sent all these countries hundreds of billions, trillions since colonization ended. Infact, everyday Brits today are still paying off the debt taken on as slaves were released throughout the empire. Where has all that money gone? No more unskilled migrants in Europe. We has to be selective to the extreme who we let in the E.U and EUP has to back border countries with all the aid they nedd so they can withstand and keep Europe safe.

[@EnSnusTack]

Its finally happening, lets make Europe safe again!

[@malogibeaux4946]

When was europe safe enough for you? Europe of the 50's was multiple times more unsafe than today's Europe

[@EnSnusTack]

@@malogibeaux4946 I look at my own country and how bad its has gotten since we took in hundreds of thousands of immigrants. I dont blame them tho. Most of them just want a better life. The politics is the problem. We have taken way more then we can handle and we now see the results. And imo this is a step in the right direction.

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@EnSnusTack well do you base it on data? Because personal personal perception and the medias can be bery biased and not show a accurate enough vision of the reality. What's your country? I say that because in France where I live a lot of people are scuffing about some "crime surge" that doesn't exist in the data, but since the media pass random violent events non stop for engagement people think it's real.

[@MatasJK]

@@malogibeaux4946my friend. Do some research about migrants and Sweden.

[@justanormalguyhere2408]

@@malogibeaux4946​​⁠​⁠​⁠ what a load of shit you are talking about. My country sweden was one of the safest countries in the world but now we are in sixth place in the world with the most rapes. Our streets are unsafe and shooting happens often. And you are saying when have Europe been safe?! I don’t now what world you live but before 2007 my country was a lot more safer than it is today. And plz you can’t is not immigration fault. Stop that leftist bullshit even I who is left can see that immigration is the problem.

[@alonsokumar3906]

I was here when this was called Migrant Pushbacks YT

[@Jonas_M_M]

A suggestion: International law can actually be worse than national law

[@akumayoxiruma]

This issue has two other major problems: 1) How twisted is it for countries to use people's desperate living circumstances as weapons against another country? 2) What kind of country has such terrible conditions that their people are willing to be flown to another continent only to be then set afoot to crush another country's border?

[@Mosern1977]

Just revise the asylum law to say people must have gotten pre-approval online before being let in. We're in the 2020s now, not in 1950s. Meeting up on borders without pre-approval => rejection.

[@theconqueringram5295]

I agree that the system needs to be changed.

[@kallekonttinen1738]

That law in Finland comes into a force only if situation is dangerous and president and government makes decission to use law. Which they have not done and, with current situation where Russia is concerned about islamic terrorists and border is silent, will probably not use it.

[@RecklessBikesTV]

The 'international law' aspect of it is outdated, that's why we are in this mess and some are trying to do something about it. NGO's can moan all they want, change is needed, and change isn't always pleasant.

[@christopherbrown1187]

It will not be enough. We should push back harder and re-migrate people to stabilize our vountrys

[@Fiufsciak]

As a Polish citizen, I'll tell you why, by quoting a song: "It's not okay, I don't feel safe I need to pray"

[@vladsky44]

A good law, but need also one that would deport ones that are in already

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Yeah you plug a hole in the boat but it's already willed with water. Time to scoop.

[@notreallysureaboutthat2015]

Protecting your culture, values, women and children is now "controversial"

[@valentinkrajzelman4649]

what was common sense since the dawn of civilization, now its bad and evil just because some communists said so in the 70s, crazy

[@AnotherMartinez]

Three million Muslim unskilled men who have migrated illegally … that’s why

[@painzrt7928]

0:13 and why would their opinion be more important than the finnish people?

[@localareakobold9108]

I may be a support for public transit, affordable housing and environmental friendly goods, but we MUST CLOSE THAT GODDAMN BORDER