Why are 55% of EV Owners selling their Electric Car within a few months of getting it?

[@simonh870]

The problem is probably the lack of infrastructure making them unsuitable for so many people. But in a country that cannot even maintain the roads properly the chances of suitable infrastructure popping up soon is just fanciful.

[@danielcooper6423]

The infrastructure just goes to prove the government aren't really that interested in it, consumers seem the lack of infrastructure and simply don't want to risk it

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Why repair roads when they don't want us using them! Proves what their plan is! They don't care what condition the road is in when driving a RangeRover.

[@simonh870]

@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i They seem to want us on buses and on push bikes, but poor roads are not much use for those.

[@bigfluffytowels]

Infrastructure is coming along nicely. No problem charging up away from home except for the cost.....89p per kw is extortionate. The rapid chargers are in a high profit making cycle to fuel investment. Home charging is around 7p. The biggest issue is you need a driveway. You need to own your home. Or have a landlord happy to have the electrics worked on. If you live in a flat, communal property, terraced houses it's going to be expensive.

[@simonh870]

@@bigfluffytowels There you go. if infrastucture is in place it is useless if it is too expensive, and nobody is going to build it unless they are making money from it.

[@Bufford2024]

EV ... translates into evaporating value. 😂

[@hughblack6831]

My neighbour has a Mini electric - he tells me that it barely does 100 miles on a full charge. A horse could do better.

[@bordersw1239]

Does he like it?

[@mrbig7718]

​@bordersw1239 obviously not if a horse can do better😂

[@ambassadorfromreality1125]

He probably has balls of steel like me. 9th year as ev driver. 3 years in the desert in Kuwait and abu Dhabi looking for oil in a chevy pickup - Toyota land cruiser no roads just sand. And to hear all this whingeing about evs when it is obvious that the whingers are just echoing stuff they heard on the Internet. The superior electrical drive has displaced the old diesel engine on the railways and large ships like aircraft carriers even if if means just using a diesel as a generator. Modern batteries made the electrification of cars possible and inevitable, superior technology always wins out, landline versus mobile , kodak versus digital. The chinese realised this decades ago and are poised to wipe out the European car industry because they are hanging on to the hope that they can keep going as before.

[@mrbig7718]

@@ambassadorfromreality1125 and there you go doing exactly what you just claimed everyone else does🤣. I almost fell for it until the diesel powered locomotive thing. You should look in the mirror or actual research. Or maybe look up George Carlin about people bullshittin. Oh that Kodak thing has been repeated over and over but movies still use Kodak and fuji film. Plus evs were invented in the 1800s and still the problem back then is the same as now in comparison. Nothing has changed. No matter how much things change, they still remain the same. Just a new version of an old scene.

[@Fred-gu6pk]

​@mrbig7718 Ofcause a horse is better, it produces horse shit and that can be used in the garden. And when the horse is done in it can feed the cat. 😂

[@Nearly-Insane]

I returned my Leaf after 5 days. I sold my Kia Niro after 4 months. I've now got a Passat 2.0TDI and a Citroen C5 Aircross Hybrid. Unless they produce a BEV that can do 550 miles + and it costs 35p per kWh and charge to 100% in 3 minutes I'll never buy an EV again.

[@EwanM11]

Did you get a home charger?

[@enrobsorussell]

The question for you just has to be..... Why did you buy the 2 Evs in the 1st place....did you actually believe the EVangelists, the govt, the MSM and jump in without doing research....did you fall for all the lies & propaganda?

[@Nearly-Insane]

@EwanM11 yes a Ohme ePod.

[@EwanM11]

@Nearly-Insane what was the issue with the Kia?

[@restonthewind]

If you didn't know that a Kia Niro can't do 550 miles on a charge or charge to 100% in 3 minutes and that public charging costs more than 35p per kWh, buying one with this expectation was premature, but whoever got a huge discount on your used Nio may be much happier. I paid half the retail price for a 2020 Bolt EV with only 8k miles a little over a year ago, and I'm still loving it.

[@paulineprice9534]

When the purchasers (whether finance companies, private companies, councils and service companies etc) realise the losses they are facing, that's when the proverbial will hit the fan .... it could bring the whole motor industry down surely whether EV or otherwise. One could be forgiven in thinking it is deliberate 🤔

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

It's all deliberate.

[@nsweeney3970]

​@WeAreAllDoomed-n5iAgree 💯

[@Benzknees]

Some of those will have had big tax incentives to go EV, offsetting their losses.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

@ Typical lefties! If the government is giving away anything, they have to take all they can! If the government was put in charge of the Sahara desert, within five years, there would be no sand left!

[@thisisnumber0]

This isn't an EU thing, it's the partnership of the UN and World Economic Forum.

[@MrBrendanrex]

The ZEV mandate was dreamt up by the Tories and the IEA

[@AnalogDude_]

They don't trust counties outside the west and don't want to deal with them, other cultures suck ... according to them. But they are the oness with the resources, that's why, nothing else.

[@SquidwardhatesEVs]

Great video Barrie. I'll tell you something Barrie, I drove pass a Maxus commercial vehicles dealership around Cannock in the West Midlands and I saw one of their EV pickup truck for sale at £28796, so I got home and later I went on Autotrader to see this EV pick up for sale and I was shocked how much was discounted, original price was £51230, so £22424 off. Absolutely unbelievable, I can see why you are worried and I don't blame. Keep up the good work and stay strong.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Yep they got a £27000 registration bonus to get rid of about 700, you could get them for £50 a month

[@SquidwardhatesEVs]

@@BarrieCrampton I'll tell you another thing Barrie, in order to shift Maxus T90 pickup truck model, they introduced a diesel version in the UK, it's absolutely hilarious.

[@Mrmaddog]

In this country we can't even build a railway from the south to the midlands so how the hell are we going to upgrade the entire electric grid to support the charging of millions of EVs..

[@ColumbusDixon]

People always forget but originally it would have reached Geordieland. ( NE. UK)

[@scorchedearth1451]

Only with solar and wind??? Where I live some new building don't even get a connection to the power grid, because it's "full".

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

But in China they are building 35,000 miles of high speed rail. In China EVs are 1/3 of the price they are here. All street lights should offer car charging at low rates, council gets the low profit. People get local infrastructure.

[@jamiepops62]

Figure's just released state that ford have only sold 6.85% EV's in the first 11 months of this year. How are they going make that figure up to 22% in the last 4wks?

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Ford are screwed...basically.

[@colinmould2219]

i predict a lot of main dealers are going out business in 2025.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Yep

[@fredfred2363]

Could the short ownership simply be dealers "buying" their own new cars? It just doesn't make sense. I can't believe any private owner would sell a car under 6 months of ownership. I don't know anyone who'd keep a car less than a year, unless totalled.

[@RobertSmith-di5ll]

thats what I believe - government penalties are possibly involved? - just because an EV is sold does not mean the owner then bought an ICE

[@BarrieCrampton]

I’m pretty sure there is some fix going on

[@mrbig7718]

​@RobertSmith-di5ll, regardless its a false purchase to get out of a penalty that shouldn't exist. Obviously the majority of the population doesn't want them. I'm not against evs and I believe that they should be an option, but forcing them on people is only making it worse.

[@GT380man]

I agree, but this is what the data says, and it’s a prevalent finding. Dealer registrations that were never privately owned & now offered for sale are characterised by very low mileage, such as under 100 miles, massive discounts over brand new price, despite being for all practical purposes, new. They’ve been doing this increasingly during second half 2024. Because customers are buying nowhere near enough cars for this absurd % of total bar. As Aussie KZbinr pointed out that it’s “The 3 Fs” that are almost all of the purchases of new EVs. Fleets Fanboys Freebies The fleets have mostly run a cycle or are coming towards the end of their first cycle. There’s blood on the floor. The number that matters is total cost of ownership through whatever their cycle is, typically 60-80k miles or 4 years, whichever is first. They’ve a fleet discount on buying many new vehicles. There’s maintenance, two types: planned and unscheduled. In addition to cost, you’ve lost time and you’ve ability to get spares same day or next day latest as well as their cost. At exit, you’ve residual value. For the first time in fleet history, there’s essentially no residual value. Even at auction, they’re all but given away. This has devastated the fleet managers, who are paid on hitting agreed targets. They’re not getting bonuses. They’re more expensive to buy. The drivers often don’t like them because, driven hard as typically they are by reps, salespeople and service engineers, they need charging way too often, with attendant wasted time, lost business, disappointed customers and everyone pretty grumpy. Servicing is running ok, but what people weren’t told is that because the cars are up to 50% heavier than their ICE equivalents, they kill especially rear tyres. Tyres are usually specialty tyres, again because of weight, requiring special construction & they can cost double the regular tyre. I don’t think they break down more or less often than ICE cars but where they suffer is, for some models, difficulty in getting spares at all, let alone same day. Running costs for electricity, unless they’re Teslas, with low cost, fast chargers, is not cheaper than liquid fuel especially if the driver cannot fast charge at home, as many cannot. But it’s the devastating depreciation that means few to no fleets will go around the cycle again. It’s almost doubled the total cost of ownership, from higher initial cost to near total loss at exit.

[@danielcooper6423]

If that's true. It's more worrying. These cars are 3/4 years old and in that time nobody has bought it expect the car dealer from himself. That's an industry that can't survive, it's unsustainable

[@ryanlarson4700]

If people are going EV for the environment then they should be driving the EV they got for as long as possible. Trading it in after a short ownership is just demanding more emissions be released to make that new EV.

[@freeforester1717]

See Mark P Mills discussing 1) EV fantasies at Hillsdale College, or even better, 2) talking about the delusional transition to net zero at SKAGEN SFONDENE - it ain't gonna work, no matter how hard they try, the raw minerals needed to make the battery alone aren't there to be mined, leaving the environ-mental impact of digging up half a million (500,000) pounds of rock in order to produce a single 500lb battery for each and every proposed disposable battery vehicle. The only thing 'green' about their production and use is the naivety of those buying them, which they find out when they come to sell them again.

[@ryanlarson4700]

@@freeforester1717 also the green money being made making and selling them things.

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

it's not being crushed, it will still be used. Lots of people go through vehicles on a regular basis. I used to do work for Rover and the executives were given cars every 6 months to get second hand vehicles into the market at more affordable prices.

[@bigjoeangel]

I think (hope) 2025 will be the year of truth. People are sick of the lies.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

What, you mean that people will realise that thinking we can continue driving around burning fossil fuels ad infinitum is a fantasy?....Which it is.

[@ab-js2gw]

😂😂😂

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Don't get your hopes up! For a start we've got the liar in chief back in the Maison Blanc and I am sure the fossil fuel industry inspired FUD around EVs will continue in an effort to slow down the inevitable conversion of our world to renewable energy and electric transportation

[@eldontyrellcorp]

I have big doubts but who knows :)

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

We're in the post-truth era, so pretty unlikely.

[@ericgregori]

Tesla is known for having some of the most loyal customers of any company in any industry. The company’s customers are committed, passionate, and happy to spread the word. In fact, in one survey, 99% of Tesla Model 3 owners said they would recommend the car to their family and friends, and 98% said they’d buy one again.

[@andyhobbs2812]

Your so right Barrie, I'm 71, and have had 4 BMW's, all second hand and never had any motor problems. Mostly driven in Germany on the Autobahns ( 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 military) and driven home to UK on leave with family.

[@ab-js2gw]

😂😂😂

[@AlfaBmwKarma]

Audio is too low Barrie. Boost your levels please it's currently making the adverts deafening. Thanks buddy, fantastic content.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Honestly it’s fine on all my stuff, and the original video is perfect

[@hunchanchoc8418]

Barrie, your audio IS always low compared with other people's videos.

[@grrfy]

@@BarrieCrampton Is defo low .

[@AlfaBmwKarma]

@@BarrieCrampton The audio quality itself is great, it's just the volume level is quite low post production. So we have to turn up our volume to hear you, which is perfectly fine.... until the adverts come on 🙉. Really enjoying your content mate and a new subscriber here. Brilliant work. 👍🏻

[@leecromer3289]

So, in actual fact, the massive rise in sales isn’t new registrations, it’s re sales…

[@mikewhitehead50]

Well no that’s not right. The new registration figures are that. Whether they go to a customer or dealer stock. Used car sales though, are quite clearly inflated by people swapping cars after a few months.

[@leecromer3289]

@ well if they go to dealer stock, then the EV evangelists and the government who state that EV sales are on the up are clearly lying, it’s just the number of registrations, which include dealer stock, that is on the rise, so misleading..

[@matthewgodwin3050]

Going to Colin Wanker at the 'Lack Of Intelligence Unit' and expecting him to give truthful advice, is like looking on Jeremy Corbyn's bookshelf, and expecting to find a copy of the Torah.

[@BarrieCrampton]

lol 😂

[@richardharris7214]

When an EV can drive 650 miles in the winter on a single charge, take 5 minutes to recharge and costs half its current price, I will buy one. Until then I want to be able to drive the car I want, not the one Ed Miliband is financially squeezing me into which he thinks, in some quite utterly bizarre madness, thinks will help change the weather.

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

this was started ages before Ed Miliband had any position of power. The previous government, maybe?

[@SzaszaG1]

How many times a year do you drive more then 400 miles without stopping for 15 minutes?

[@kevinbray9550]

Nice to hear some evidence based analysis for a change.

[@g0fvt]

I smell a rat with the short ownership periods, sensibly none of the cars are terrible. Possibly the range did not live up to expectations, or perhaps they were upsold a new EV. The market is being interfered with by various taxes and penalties, dealers and manufacturers may decide to take a hit on the EVs...

[@danielcooper6423]

Many reasons why Barrie, they're not desirable enough to take the risk. Infrastructures is bad, poor range, heavy depreciation. The appetite for EVs isn't there, they are trying with adverts but it's not fooling enough people to buy a car that is already more expensive to buy.

[@andrewwaller5913]

@@danielcooper6423 You forgot expensive to buy initially.

[@danielcooper6423]

@@andrewwaller5913 I've adapted it 😂...that said I've also forgotten the higher body repair costs, the insurance costs especially now Porsche drivers are getting letters to not charge near their house. We need to give it up as a bad idea.

[@karmanline2005]

53% of cars for sale being under 12 months old is a different subject to 55% of ev owners disposing of their car within 12 months. Those are different topics. The last research i read said 92% of ev owners plan to replace with another ev. Meanwhile, ZEV mandate pressure has pushed up pressure to register more demos, rentals and pre regs. Its good to be sceptical but its very bad to conflat different topeics when conducting data analysis. Btw, there are plenty of ice cars on sale below 12 months of age too.

[@koggism]

Welcome to the world of BS. Car manufacrurers like ford, volvo, vw, general motors and more are cutting production of ev's. Some are threatening to close production altogether. Dealerships say the ev is a hard sell

[@PeterKirton-nu9iv]

I have just watched a video by the Australian KZbin channel The Electric Viking who tells a very different story of large increase in electric car sales. The ultimate aim in this move to electric is to stop people driving. Range, depreciation, upfront cost are too expensive for many and when their ICE cars eventually die they will be off the road permanently

[@TheYellowSnoman]

Things to love about EVs: 1. Child battery labor 2. Range anxiety 3. Risk of garage fires 4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle 5. Battery degredation 6. Poor resale value 7. Reduced performance in cold, highway 8. Higher repair costs 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather without restrooms 10. Higher insurance rates 11. Replacing tires more frequently But hey theres a tax credit!

[@ab-js2gw]

What if I don't give a rats arse about the points you made?

[@BS-ge4ne]

​@@ab-js2gwfeels over facts. Aka a cope

[@rain-bender4712]

@@ab-js2gw I think we've found the resentful EV owner.

[@johnnunn8688]

@@ab-js2gware those points untrue?

[@ab-js2gw]

@@johnnunn8688 if you want to keep hugging trees be my guess 👍🏻

[@DanTheCox]

it's going to be interesting to see the fate of the companies who preregistered cars that have lost already up to 30% value once we reach 2025. Not only these companies will have massively depreciated assets, but it means also that their customers have been robbed. And from an insurance standpoint the valuation proposition is completely bonkers: who would insure a vehicle which has barely above scrap value?

[@johnpassey3176]

When I bought my modified SAAB 9-5 AERO, the previous owner had it for 3 days, he lost his licence seeing what it would do on the way home. Maybe everyone is doing this?

[@Climatetruth]

Wow… thats the fast actual ban in the world… rubbish! Am sorry but it will be at least 6 months for the summons to come through…

[@johnpassey3176]

@@Climatetruth I guess if you get pulled up at 130+mph in a car that at the time was very hard to insure you know whats going to happen 🤷

[@Climatetruth]

@ I cant believe you used that excuse for people selling there EV… we all know why people sell them… they are just not fit for purpose due to costs… and charge time costs… but i hope he got a lengthy ban for not having insurance..

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

How about not wanting to have something that can and definitely has simply set itself on fire, parked near their homes? Porsche has sent letters to owners telling them not to! A Mercedes in SouthKorea, set itself and over 100 other vehicles alight! Mercedes now being sued, as they lied about the make of batteries used in their vehicles. Teslas that crash and cremate the occupants? Electric buses in London setting themselves alight? Expensive charging costs when away from home, if they work that is! Plus lack of security at charging locations! Range anxiety! Very poor range when cold or towing! Loads more I can think of!

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

in Luton, a diesel Range Rover destroyed over 1,200 vehicles and an entire multi-storey car park. That's going to be difficult for an EV to beat.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

@ You forgot to mention it was a diesel hybrid RangeRover! Search YT for reviews on the model.

[@dubsydubs5234]

They're dealer registered to fiddle the numbers not private owners.

[@warrenknight5373]

Short ownership often indicative with lease deals not just an EV issue

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

Apparently insurers are now not only declining to insure EVs, but also declining to insure a home if an EV is parked there. And yes, insurers are so interlinked now they have the software to link the address of an insured EV with an insured home. Think about that.

[@NT-hr3eu]

Trying to navigate the EV market...secondhand, noticed on Autotrader it just gives you the range based on new..how are you supposed to gauge if it suits your needs without that information? I don't think people have time to go to check each car manually. For older EVs it would be useful to know the replacement battery costs. Are there facilities for official battery replacements to get a new warranty to give you peace of mind for another few years?

[@ClassicTrialsChannel]

They don't really want you in any car or going on long journey's. Can you imagine visiting a relative hundreds of miles away, are you going to ask them to charge your car when you get there

[@andyhobbs2812]

Barrie, can you please turn up your slightly, thanks. If nobody tells you, you will not know. Have a good break into the New Year, obviously included your family. Greetings from Germany.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧😎👍🍀

[@bordersw1239]

Your looking at dealer and lease pre registered cars mate. What percentage of the population could take a 30% hit in value by selling on an almost new car. Certainly no one I know or have ever known has done this.

[@BarrieCrampton]

They are private sales

[@bordersw1239]

@ . The only figure we know is at present almost 90% of EV sales are not to private buyers.

[@BarrieCrampton]

@@bordersw1239 it’s private sellers on motorway, dealers buy them, dealers are separated

[@mikewhitehead50]

⁠@@bordersw123990% of new sales are business and lease so that’s why often the first owner is 3 years. It’s the subsequent owners who pick up a used bargain without thinking it through very well. They hopefully aren’t losing out too much when they trade in with Motorway.

[@matthewbacon5734]

You talk common sense Barrie. I have never seen an EV on fire but I have only seen and I would overestimate ten ICE cars on fire driving a van for nearly forty years. I don't have a driveway to charge an EV, I wouldn't want that car charging next to my house just incase. Call me risk averse but the Actuaries are now adding up the Insurance risks from EV's and Insurance companies don't want them in their car park? In their current form they are a dead duck, why plant a potential bomb under your own block of flats?

[@jasonaris5316]

New builds with integral garages will not have internal door access (I suspect due to the increased fire risk)

[@matthewbacon5734]

@@jasonaris5316 Maybe but if one of those things catches fire in a modern newbuild, timber-framed, celotex and plasterboard house wouldn't stand a chance. Ftumsch!

[@ericgregori]

Here are some recent recalls for internal combustion engine (ICE) cars due to fire risk: Kia Telluride Kia recalled 462,869 2020-2024 Telluride SUVs due to a risk of fire from the front seat power motor overheating. Owners are advised to park their vehicles outside and away from other vehicles and structures until the recall repair is complete. Hyundai and Kia Hyundai and Kia recalled more than 3.3 million vehicles from the 2010-2017 model years due to the risk of fire. Owners are advised to park their vehicles outside and away from structures until the recall problem is repaired at a dealership. BMW BMW recalled 720,796 vehicles due to a faulty seal on the water pump, which may cause a fire. The recall spans 12 models from the 2012-2018 model years.

[@nekite1]

I bought a 2010 Honda CR-Z hybrid with low mileage and a full service history in May of 2023. It has been without fault since I bought it. At this moment in time, I feel that hybrids are the ideal compromise given the lack of a decent charging infrastructure. Self-charging hybrids as a rule don't have the range anxiety of full BEV cars, have good fuel economy, are ULEZ compliant and pay very low rates of VED. If I had the money, I would get a BMW i8.

[@Thunderbloke2]

A lot of these vehicles will be coming from the fleets. My daughter has just swapped a company Tesla model 3 at 3 yrs old and 100,000+ miles, she now has a BMW i5. The Tesla is still sat on her drive waiting to be picked up, no one seems to want to collect it!

[@minichank-eg5gu]

I was thinking about an EV, then I downloaded that Zap app to see how many charging points were in my local area - not many, and the price they charge per kwh shocked me, so no EV for me.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I had a BMW 330e, it was meant to do 26miles on a full charge it struggled to hit double figures in the winter no chance, obviously the battery was on its way out, at £10k for a battery it had to go, I switched to a petrol car.

[@stephendoherty9855]

i'm scared of ev's too! why can't everything just stay the same forever? progress makes me sad. happy new year

[@rain-bender4712]

Everything I've ever owned that had re-chargeable batteries ended up in landfill not long after I purchased it.

[@Neil-r6o]

We should call them what they are. Disposable Battery Vehicles. DBVs. Takes the shine off a bit.

[@andyhobbs2812]

Barrie, I've got a 2007 , 335 d , able to use it here in Germany. Lovely Bubbly.

[@andysgriff1965]

Our street has just got a fibre internet connection, laughable in 2025 No chance to get a practical charging network any time soon

[@burgesskab]

So is it possibly the same few people buying and selling the EVs to push the sales numbers up? Do they show the milage the EV has covered during their ownership period?

[@paulineprice9534]

I assume majority of EV's are pcp, motorbility or company cars and vans. Wonder what % that is?

[@a1paulh911]

I was wandering the same thing about Motability, as death their rates might play a significant factor...

[@svr5423]

most BEVs are electric scooters.

[@TK-Will.]

If a cars got 3+ previous owners, it’s a red flag to me 🚩….. what’s wrong with it🤔. Especially if it’s only a few years old.

[@mikewhitehead50]

What would actually be useful would be knowing the reasons why people are trading them in. A lot of it will be dealing with range, anxiety around that and public charging. I can’t imagine anyone getting out of a diesel whatever, into an EV and thinking the EV drives crap.

[@jamesclayton3388]

My 18 year old Prius just had its first reconditioned Hybrid battery . 175 k miles and hopefully I'll add a few more.

[@mosw5]

The question is: why do people have to be convinced to buy an EV in the first place?

[@mrpetehampson]

I’ve had a byd atto 3 for last 6 months and already done 15,000 miles mainly motorway and country lane miles from Manchester to Neston and back 104 miles a day free charging at work, range drops too much on hot days and even worse when really cold.

[@johnowen7061]

Quite Birmingham live 97% of EV drivers do not wish to go back to ICE cars and SMMT EV sales Up 58% in November

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

The used car market in the UK grew 4.3% between July and September 2024, used EV sales grew 57% in the same period so obviously nobody wants EVs......😕

[@BarrieCrampton]

Really, and how many EVs did that amount to? Did you know that used Ford Fiestas outsold every single make and model of EV? In fact just used black cars outsold every single make and model of EV, used EVs aren’t selling and the sales figures are being manipulated too, get it?

[@BarrieCrampton]

😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJDSp2WAmLSDnNUsi=BL90hlQm_Oow1r4v

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@BarrieCrampton It amounted to just over 53,000 used EV's changing hands in that period Used EV sales were 2.7% of all used sales in summer 2024, up from 1.8% of used sales in summer 2023. The growth is proportional to the EV population as a percentage of the total car population...it doesn't take a genius to work out that in summer 2025 used EVs will have grown again as the total population of EVs continues to grow. On my channel earlier this yearI pointed out that 2022 was the first year that more petrol and diesel cars were scrapped than there were new ones coming onto the market. Calculating scrapage rates over a 10 year period shows that they are more consistent year on year than new car sales which fluctuate far more. In a mature market like the UK with little increase in the total car population this is resulting in a slow but sure replacement of ICE by EV.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 why do you ev evanglists watch these channels ?

[@tyrantwitness2482]

Have you not learnt the lesson with percentages? Whenever percentages are quoted, you are being conned. Gates loves percentages for that very reason.

[@rubydoobstylie]

We're on our second EV and would never go back. For us it's cheap to run, virtually no maintenance and so easy to drive. I've never met an EV driver who has been disappointed with it. 🤷‍♂️

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

Yep I'm in several EV groups with literally thousands of members who actually own EVs and the majority seem perfectly happy and wouldn't go back , there are petrol heads in these groups also who have a weekend sports car etc and like you and me most just find them easier and more relaxing to drive, cheaper to run and maintain, but I look in on this channel occasionally to see what b/s they've made up this week 😁

[@johnmcconville6055]

My other half had an electric mini,but went back to hybrid.Range was a problem,but more so was her reluctance to find out where alternative chargers were.🤔 I am on EV number 4 now and wouldn't go back to ICE.I do like engines and cars,but for everyday usage, EV wins hands down for me.

[@andrewwaller5913]

It just cost you 50k to buy you mug.

[@andrewwaller5913]

​@@davefitzpatrick4841Utter nonsense

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

@andrewwaller5913 you do know you can buy EVs used, that's what I do . Let the mugs who buy or lease new take the big hit ( that's with any car Ice or EV) then buy once most of the depreciation has happened. My EV was brought used for £14k , is 9 years old now , only worth around £5.5k , but has saved me around £1.5k a year on running and maintenance costs so has saved me around £9k , add that £5.5k on and I'm not out of pocket, try and do that with an Ice car 😁👍

[@Neil-r6o]

I would have thought an original design mini (excluding the external seams) with a hyper efficient petrol engine would hit the spot these days.

[@fredfred2363]

Yeah, but not as comfortable as new cars...

[@grahamleiper1538]

0* NCAP unlikely to help sales, if they're even allowed.

[@markarmstrong9550]

WLTP is an issue. People buy cars thinking they will do that range and are then shocked when it does half that motorway-winter. They should show an approx min, average and max range. Also get rid of the term "Long Range" since no EV is long range yet, they are medium range at best, with the best EVs barely matching a 50 litre petrol. Missleading people with "Long range" and WLTP leads to lack of trust. Once an EV can do 600 miles motorway-winter, call it long range. If I buy a car that claims it will do over 300 miles, I would expect to be able to drive at 80 in France and get 300 miles, not have to pull over and charge only at specific places where there are chargers, for maybe an hour, after less than 200 miles.

[@jaysea1553]

This man is not telling the truth he is making stuff up there is no probs with electric cars except when people like this make stuff up l have had no probs charging in fact i have saved a fortune do not listen to people like this all new cars depreciate once you drive them off the forecourt

[@BarrieCrampton]

Please point out where I am not telling the truth as I am referring to a sale, and have published the proof, cast iron proof!

[@el86lo36fky]

A Peugeot E208 is sold in France for €35,000 new and loses €15,000 in 3 years and 45,000 km. An equivalent ICE car at €25,000 only loses €7,500 over the same period and same mileage. €7,500 of pure losses that the gains on fuel and maintenance costs do not allow to compensate

[@stevebobojones]

Hi Barrie,I watched an EV Auction selling Evs Registered as Taxis the Firm was off loading them,apparently you can get a grant if you use an Ev as aTaxi.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

When thinking about the state of the motor trade and EV mandates, for some reason the film Frankenstein comes to mind! Only the vision is of people carrying lit torches through Downing Street, searching for KeirStalin! Where is the Davos monster?

[@foppo100]

My daughter would like an EV for her next car.She is a nurse drives about 20 miles to get to work and back.She can't charge at home so at work it is a small hospital would be ideal.Many people need destination chargers.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

If its not on the correct tariff from home, then its uneconomic, whether its a destination charger or whatever it is.

[@andrewwaller5913]

Buy a diesel Fiesta.

[@EwanM11]

Unless she's willing to fork out for a second hand Tesla or equivalent with enough range so you can drive all week without having to think about charging, i wouldn't advise it.

[@alexalex13131]

I can't image any hospital allowing EVs to be charged on their property.

[@pixie706]

Why can't there be a trial scheme instead of having to buy any car then regretting it

[@dermotporter5280]

Depreciation of EVs is horrendous in Ireland,10 percent depreciation in 1 year,with poor trade in values in relation to actual market values.

[@peterrolt6403]

Business users are being forced into EV's, once the contract is over, nobody wants them.

[@GrahamNewman-mq7gr]

In my opinion a lot of this EV sales properganda , all these " Cars only been owned months is very suspect" . It is not beyond posibility the usual suspects AUTOTRADER/ CARWOW ect. have for some devious reason got involved . This type of thing has happened before in other industries. Are these GENUINE ADVERTS ONE WONDERS !!.

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

Yep all those EVs I see on the road , pure propaganda, I'm sure the government pays people to drive around in them all the time, 5 years ago I hardly saw any , now there's too many to count, but I'm sure you are right, they are government paid operatives driving around trying to make it looks like there's more than there is 🤔...............🤣😂🤣

[@trevortaylor4113porsche]

I believe this is the reality the older the ev gets people question the battery life instead of the milage on a petrol/diesel car, if you have a 40k milage on a petrol car in ten years time you know what it's done...but if you own an electric car with 40k in ten years time you're not going to be worried about the motor but the battery, and in my opinion with other reasons that's why ev depreciate so badly...people aren't stupid they think with their wallet closed inside their brain before buying

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Rubbish!!...There are thousands of EVs out there with > 200,000 miles on the original pack. Check out the 430,000 mile Tesla Model S features on Autotrader. With original battery and motors and still >80% of original range. I'm coming up 6 years and 113,000 km on my Kia e-Niro and have experienced no range loss at all. This would be no surprise to you if you understood anything about batteries and how BMS systems work.

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

Totally debunked , plenty of EVs well over 200,000 miles now ( average Ice car in UK is scrapped around 125k ) . Warranty on an Ice car 5 years or 60,000 miles ( if it's serviced regularly to manufacturers specifications) average EV warranty 8 years or 100,000 miles ( quite a few Tesla's have 125k warranty) . I'd sooner buy a used EV than a used Ice car and as someone who's been driving for 41 years I've had quite a few Ice cars ( that have cost a packet to keep on the road ) .

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@davefitzpatrick4841 My experience exactly having owned ICE for 45 years and an EV for nearly 6. Eventually this will sink into the heads of the general population.

[@Mark-wx1ho]

People rush into buying EVs without research. They are decent for some people. For others not.

[@AA-ou8kl]

you need at home charging, don't rely on public charging or at least find out where they are and plan your journey for charging

[@rbejva]

I test drove a Polestar 2 and a Volvo V60. Honestly, the V60 was more fun to drive (slower to accelerate, but with more character) and had a lot more space. It was a no-brainer.

[@svr5423]

The Polestar 2 felt incredibly cramped during my test drive weekend. My knee hurt after a few hours of driving and I had less space on my seat than in my Toyota Aygo back in the days.

[@t2p]

I use a supercharger regularly, its the one bolted onto my engine giving me over 400 bhp 😂 old cars ftw

[@chrisaris8756]

Looking at the auctions, Addison Lee have just put 30 two year old Tesla model 3s to auction. Wonder why?

[@bentullett6068]

On lease hire agreements. These cars will circulate the auctions for many weeks now.

[@grahamleiper1538]

24 month leases?

[@GrahamNewman-mq7gr]

A lot of these Dealers are not loosing the % of cash been banded about. In the Motor Trade there are a "Lot of backdoor discounts to dealers when problems like EVs arise " . Mr. Joe Public looks at New Price ( Which is wrong) then looks at second hand asking price. Concludes A-B is loss. " BUT " You do not know what was the Actual Paid Price Was in actual cash.

[@BarrieCrampton]

It’s cost the manufacturers £4 billion in discounts, expected to rise to £6 billion, 😂 that’s a loss !

[@GrahamNewman-mq7gr]

@BarrieCrampton If they had engaged brain before starting on this road to disaster they would not be in this position. They probably listened to some of the Bearded Wonders like you have found in government depts. I watch all your videos 110% CORRECT . EVs are not going to work in the forseaable future. The hoards of the great unwashed will keep pushing it to the bitter end regardless.

[@bentullett6068]

Do you think these are cars given as company cars to the main bosses of dealerships? I know that is a common process that happens. They register it in their name through the company, put a few miles on the car and then get another car when they reach a set mileage target. The car they did have, will be placed back in the used car stock portfolio to sell.

[@tyrantwitness2482]

How much do FullyCharged pay to leave comments on this channel?

[@markielarkie445]

I’m surprised big brother hasn’t taken you down for telling the truth.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

Why are there 786 Porsche Tycans on Autotrader ?

[@bentullett6068]

Audi E-Tron GT's might also have similar numbers listed. They currently have an issue regarding the batteries that could at any point go into thermal runaway. Don't worry though as VW group say you can used the effected cars but avoid charging them near the house or in a garage. Basically it's like living with and driving a ticking time bomb.

[@bwarey52]

@@brandonfromlondonuk3484 why are there 600 almost brand new petrol Porsches on Autotrader?

[@anthonydevono8833]

The only thing is if you are going to buy one with your own money you are in for the long haul second hand market of older style ones seems to be ok.The newer style ones that cost a fortune are going to take a different market to sell to they have been designed to sell on lease or Pcp

[@MrkBO8]

charge time will be the #1 reason people reject ev's

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Why? My EV takes 15 hours or more to charge at home as I don't even have a charger, just use the granny cable. But do I care? Of course not!...Cars spend most of their time not moving, if you do 12,000 miles a year (above the UK average) then your car is stationary 96% of the time...Get home from work, plug in and you're all set to go again in the morning. Given that most people only do 200-250 miles a week then you only need to plug in at home once a week...£0.075/kWh on Octopus so 200 miles of driving for £4.70. Beat that with your noisy, smelly fossil burner!

[@MrkBO8]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Great. Now what would you do if you couldnt charge at home, you will line up to charge like everyone else does and if you are someone who is going to have to line up ev's are a poor choice because time is limited. Also, you live in the UK lol, you dont have any real distance to drive. If I want to drive to Sydney there are only 3 stops and Sydney is~280km away. 5-600km/day driving is not unusual for Australia around holiday time and that means they need an ev and a real car or just settle for the real car that can do it all

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

​@@MrkBO8a modern EV will do 250-300 miles on a charge, by then your bladder is ready for a break ( sooner if you have kids orca Mrs ) in ten years time EVs will have 400-500+ miles of range ( already EVs that can do 500 miles on a charge at highway speeds ) and charge in a matter of minutes and by then infrastructure would of improved ( yes it needs to improve) so fear not in 10 years time most EVs will accommodate even the haters like yourself 👍😁

[@MrkBO8]

@@davefitzpatrick4841 Im not a hater, Ive been in the solar business since 2011 and i know charging is a joke because even though we have access to inhouse labour, its not financially viable for us to build an off grid charge station because the cars charge to slowly. Making things worse, the majority of ev owners charge at home so there is not enough customers to make charging a viable business either

[@hunchanchoc8418]

@@davefitzpatrick4841 Not in 10 years. The distribution grid does not have the capacity to carry the currents required in order to charge EVs in a few minutes if they became widely adopted.

[@matthewbacon5734]

EVs are dead. I don't want one, I want a reliable petrol car that does the job, I don't want to spend an hour or more finding and then charging a pretend car. Brummmmmmmm! Fill up and go thank you.

[@koggism]

The problem is the EV, it has many problems. Lack of range is just one and because it lacks range a eye popping very expensive infrastructure of charging station is need

[@AA-ou8kl]

solid state batteries will change everything bigger range faster charging times

[@fredfred2363]

Barrie, your audio level has gone skewy again. Not loud enough. I've cranked you up to max on headphones. Then the ads scare the crap out of me because they're so loud. Your audio should be at the same level. Good vid 👍🏻🇬🇧

[@stevenjones916]

His audio is perfectly fine to me.

[@utinirhino7658]

Same here, really quiet.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Honestly it’s fine on mine, you need to go to the cog at the bottom of the video, and make sure you have stable audio switched on

[@NineLayerNige]

I too had to turn up the volume on this particular video. I tried to enable Stable Volume, but its greyed out and cannot be switched on, on this video. I checked on other videos and it can be enabled, so something is wrong.

[@marumaru6084]

EVs are like flairs they are forever tarnished.

[@Tomasz.Abrahamer]

Video filled with naught but warm thin air.

[@williamnorth5277]

I love my ev

[@vincentcausey8498]

I don't think that, as soon as you stop "saying nice things about them", they will suddenly succeed in the market. I think the issues are real, not merely the result of narratives.

[@BarrieCrampton]

If you say things that turn out not to be true you create buyers remorse and depreciation, always better to under promise and over deliver, then you have a customer for life

[@Andy-e8n7g]

My 10 year old EV only has 1 previous over and the savings over the last 5 years of ownership has returned the purchase price.. I guess this small sample of owners' circumstances have changed unlike my own?

[@GT380man]

It’s a high proportion of buyers of new EVs who are selling them on after less than a year of ownership. Not my opinion. A fact on the particular website. This particular sample is tiny. However, it’s similar in other, larger samples. By the way, unless you lay out the simplest basis for your claim, I struggle to believe it. Absent any information other than your assertion, I’m entitled to my opinion. There’s a large amount of funded propaganda around on this whole topic.

[@pippip8744]

​@@GT380manclaims made by a registered three months ago and stream of positive about EV comments account, what are the chances of fakery? I'd say about 95%

[@Andy-e8n7g]

@GT380man What do you want to know I've got a 2015 leaf I bought early 2020 just before lockdown.

[@heinzriemann3213]

​@@Andy-e8n7ghow much of this savings is government-mandated by taxes on fossil fuels?

[@Andy-e8n7g]

@@heinzriemann3213 I'm not sure? I just pay 1-2p a mile for the majority of the mileage I've covered taking the odometer to 140k. I guess it's the lack of tax I've paid including VED.

[@weegaz22]

Rise in interest rates meaning you may pay up to 20% more over RRP the whole course of the finance term, couple that with really bad depreciation means people are realising their getting badly f***ed by buying an EV when it comes to money they get back at the other end 4 years down the line when they trade in for the next car. For example just looking on autotrader a new model Y performance is £64k and the finance itself costs you £11k over the term of the vehicle...and then you look at the fact I can pick up a 2 year old Model Y performance with 38k miles for £34k...thats almost 50% loss of value in 2 years...can you imagine what it'll be after 4 years? People are changing cos they're getting royaly F*****. If they bought a new Golf R new at £40k they can sell it 2 years later for 30-35k depending on mileage, thats only a max of 25% lost compared to half your money.

[@fractalofgod6324]

Haters gonna hate

[@BarrieCrampton]

@@fractalofgod6324 could you elaborate please?

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

You talk about people being misled and yet you say that 55% of EV owners sell within a few months (obviously not true) based on absolutely no evidence. You say you don't know why they are selling them and then imply it's because they don't like them. You need to base your conclusions on verifiable facts otherwise you’re part of the problem and not part of the solution.

[@BarrieCrampton]

They are selling them within weeks, it doesn’t take a genius to conclude why, this is day in day out, the EV shill surveys are garbage

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

@@BarrieCrampton so, only 45% are keeping them and 0% of ICE cars get sold within a few months. You must know it's not true.

[@paulnewman9275]

I love the EVangelists..... they are losing a fortune, and fretting over range issues etc all so I can ,if i want ,but an EV in 5 years that genuinely has a 400-500 mile range , charges in 10 minutes and costs about £25-£30k. If that doesn't happen then even better i know i was right to stay with ICE :))))

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Barry, 10 miles a day? Get a Brompton!

[@jessicaarverne1181]

It's ten years too early to buy an EV.

[@tyrantwitness2482]

Where we anti electric, racists are mostly beaten by EVs is? Getting away from traffic lights. Plus they don't draw attention to themselves doing it.

[@andrewwaller5913]

Speak English

[@svr5423]

I rarely see any BEVs at 200kph cruise on the Autobahn. It's almost exclusively ICE cars.

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

Got an EV? Get yourself a Brompton folding bike! Keep in the boot, just in case.

[@johnowen7061]

Sorry quote Birmingham Live

[@WeAreAllDoomed-n5i]

But dealers are holding back NICE cars, till the new year! NewInternalCombustionEngine vehicles.

[@grahamleiper1538]

Where are you getting this 55% from? Most people keep their EVs. You'll occasionally get someone buying one that doesn't realise you need to charge at home to make any savings from running them. Sounds much more like they're ex-demo cars, lemon returns, or shortened 3 year leases that people could no longer afford due to a change in circumstances. You have a tiny sample and no information.

[@BarrieCrampton]

Watch the video, it helps

[@mariusanderson358]

Ev useless for tow bars roof racks! Yes some tow but not very much and miles are butchered in half

[@restonthewind]

Because they aren't. Your statistic is BS. You don't even say in the video what the title claims. You say that 53% of EVs for sale on a web site were owned less than a year. That's not equivalent to 55% (or 53%) of EV owners selling within a year. EV owners who aren't selling aren't on the web site at all. Googling for the statistic in your title just now, I find 18-20%.

[@BarrieCrampton]

But they are, I’ve showed you the site and the figures, that’s a great way to tell whether people are actually happy with EVs and whether they would go back to ice, asking a load of sychophant EV website congregation members is about as stupid as you can actually be to get an accurate result

[@restonthewind]

@@BarrieCrampton I didn't refer to a sychophant EV website. The 18-20% figure is from Google's generative AI which is based on many sources. Type "how many ev owners sell their car within a year?" into Google, and you'll see it too. Why would you dismiss the figure's source as a sychophant EV website when you had no evidence supporting this assumption? Again, your figure does not describe what your video's title claims. Your site only describes people who are selling an EV. It says nothing about people who are not selling an EV. The average age of an EV in the U.S. is only 3.5 years while the average age of a car is 12.6 years. A greater proportion of EV purchasers sell within a year, but the proportion is not close to 55%. Most of the people who bought an EV and did not sell within a year are not represented in your statistic at all. That more EV purchasers sell within a year is hardly surprising. Most EV purchasers have never owned an EV before, so they're experimenting with technology that they may or may not like. Most ICE purchasers have owned an ICE vehicle before, so they know what to expect.