Why Are Badminton Players Being Punished by this Rule?

[@thefallenarm589]

In the case of LZJ, if had continued with cold spray, no matter what his ankle would have been worse after ; so safety first is indeed respected. Cold spray has been abused a lot and solutions must be found. On the other hand, speaking of safety first, by its rules, BWF forces players to do too much tournaments along the year leading to mental and physical exhaustion and finally injuries. (and to less quality tournaments in the end, VA had a few words about it for example)

[@shin_.-]

I agree Lee zi jia somewhere bone got crack i think lzj have no opinion since using cold spray is useless to him

[@ophyt2830]

his footwork is just 🦀 clumsy. period.

[@Zeexiu]

@@ophyt2830 haha what a joke

[@rotyler2177]

​@@ophyt2830 maybe you can go out there and show him how its done!

[@admintpglobal5297]

@@ophyt2830 I am Malaysian, I disagreed totally that LZJ footwork is clumsy, he is just dumb in the first place, he already won the 2 previous matches and can go straight to semi final, I honestly don't understand at all why he need to go all out with LSF and get injured. Just see SYQ, he straight away let go with Kodai, lose the battle win the war.

[@LifesHourglass]

what in the world are these laws??? player's are our priority.... if they are down bwf goes down, someone's health is peak priority.

[@pauldodd2120]

Best for your health to retire if you injure yourself, not dope with cold spray.

[@loanne95]

BWF

[@loanne95]

@@pauldodd2120obviously you have not played this sport so gtfo

[@horyh3655]

@@pauldodd2120 my ranked teammates

[@Racketflash]

Bwf cares only money Not players health that's the truth 😞

[@TheOhmahgawdz]

The cool spray doesn't affect health at all. The cold just helps dull pain. If anything, preventing use of cool spray stops players from continuing to play through an injury.

[@Racketflash]

​@@TheOhmahgawdzthe real problem starts when this injury happens at team events At that time it's not football like substitution. More pressure and withdrawal push pressure on bwf i hope

[@Racketflash]

​@@TheOhmahgawdzwaits when the team event starts more pressure on bwf hope they will change

[@abdhafizzz]

same with FIFA & UCL. They forced players to play more, intense matches for more views. Yes, its all about money, all these sport organization. Sickening

[@MZ-jp1co]

Just officially give players more time to rest between matches and take more break during matches. Otherwise most of them had no choice but to abuse the medical break rule to gain rest time. SHI Yu Qi in the 2024 BWF final for example had to play 5 matches in 5 days, and inevitably he has to use the middle match against Kodai NARAOKA as a chance to rest, which made the game a lot less intense as usual.

[@pauldodd2120]

In most tournaments you have to play one match every day. In lower level tournaments you might have to play two matches per day.

[@danielyee9159]

Thoes empire thinks the players are ROBOT can never even take a longer rest. They always hurried the players to start the game. Hopeless empire

[@admintpglobal5297]

Bro, every players had to play 5 games during the match, but SYQ is clever to let go on Kodai cause he already won 2 matches, win or lose with Kodai doesn't matter. I can't say the same with my own country LZJ, who is dumb to go all out with LSF and end up injured 🙄.

[@ophyt2830]

As legend LCW admitted, even during his era, players manipulated and abused the injury time out call = waste time. How can I tell if one is genuinely injured or faked?

[@master40382]

In all fairness though, the cooling spray does not heal injuries, it only alleviates the pain. Even if Goh, Fajar, and LZJ got the cooling spray they would still likely be unable to continue. Are there any changes BWF could make to prevent injuries and give players the proper medical treatment, while also avoiding delay tactics?

[@TheOhmahgawdz]

Exactly. There's very little medical benefit of cool spray - it's symptom relief only.

[@Phat-rj3jo]

That’s the problem, no way to tell if it’s delay tactic or actual injury. So to be fair to everyone, no medical treatment.

[@aathuulvardhan]

if you see any games its ok to take some time if you are injured no games cares for this delay tactic as much as badminton what if that person takes a small 10 sec break even for 10 to 20 times only 200 sec 3min not that much loss of time

[@kumark214]

Not really. It can alleviate pain AND inflammation. It is anti-inflammatory just like ice is but works way better.

[@kumark214]

@@TheOhmahgawdzit is anti-inflammatory. It cured by 30 year problem of bursitis in 2 days when I was told surgery is only option.

[@katak7425]

BWF putting STUPID RULES. Better retired that bwf top man 👎👎

[@haridasification]

What a twisted logic

[@ChenruiZhang-q6k]

I hope Lin Dan’s King Cup will replace bwf. LD really cares about players.

[@louong93]

When is it held? But I don't think any Malaysian players is invited.

[@ChenruiZhang-q6k]

@ it’s coming at the end of this month, best care and rewards ever.

[@songsisters6269]

It’d be interesting to see the actual implementation of this new rule on Medical Emergency Intervention - “The Tournament Doctor is now allowed to enter the court without the direction of the referee in case of suspected cardiac arrest….” It seems to put tournament doctors responsible to make that decision / move in such situation while it’s been all the while the referee’s responsibility. The reality is, the tournament doctors at many BWF sanctioned tournaments are sometimes physiotherapists or even nurses instead of real doctors. Suppose you are one of these tournament doctors, would you be comfortable to take such responsibility?

[@pauldodd2120]

If the medical personnel see a player on the ground and the umpire is indicating a medical problem, they should then go immediately to that court. As badminton athletes (,excluding veterans) are very fit, players needing instant medical attention are extremely rare.

[@kst6420]

I think cold spray should be allowed in between brakes

[@pauldodd2120]

It is allowed, just have to be applied by yourself/coach etc. and not by the tournament doctor.

[@rotyler2177]

breaks*

[@andremalmgrenjensen4105]

It is, but It doesn’t do anything. It’s not a magic “fix it all” spray 😂😂

[@darrenpang1318]

Actually there's a 3rd option, whereby injured players can continue the match but purposely lose the match by intentionally hit all shuttles to out until they lost the match. Sounds silly, but players should do this to publicly detest, protest to show how this stupid rules for the whole world to see and gain attention on live TV. This way, yes the player lost the match but still be in the championship. Just like LZJ, he probably could recover to the semi. All players should boycott this rule by doing the intention of purposely losing after injury.

[@pauldodd2120]

I very much doubt that you can recover a seriously sprained ankle in one day, even with tape, but yes, he could have continued.

[@lenahew1761]

I disagree for LZJ to continue playing coz if LSF wins the 2nd match both hv to play a deciding game n this might further agrevitate LZJ's fractuted ankle

[@darrenpang1318]

@@lenahew1761 Bruh, u don't get the point. LZJ still can smash standing on one feet. It's not hard to stand on his other feet and keep hitting all shuttle OUT on purpose during his opponent serve until u lose 2nd and 3rd match. He can even expedite it, by just letting his opponent to serve and NOT return the serve. It'll land in, and his opponent would gain points until LZJ lose 2nd and 3rd. Losing points is easy in badminton, gaining point is hard. LOL. Losing the match, but he still won't be withdraw from the Finals, and would remain in the championship into Semi. The main purpose is to rebel against this stupid rule, and show the whole world about it.

[@msms2007ms]

If I remember correctly, the whole idea of speeding up play time was to make it feasible for more live telecast and indirectly generate more sponsorship. But has this approach succeeded? Badminton has to gain popularity with good games first and foremost, excite the audience and money will come. With live streaming nowadays, longer playtime isn't an issue anymore, it would not affect the broadcaster's program. Just look at soccer and tennis, timeouts are common. The umpires and tournament referees should be given autonomy to use their discretion in deciding if treatment is needed, an injury is an injury, cardiac arrest or just a bruise. Get real Hoyer!

[@louong93]

I don't know much. But i remember once a boy representing China have a heart attack suddenly died on the spot. Chinese fans blame the slow reaction of the medical team. I taught after that unfortunate incident bwf might improve its medical time out. I know sometimes players faking injury. But if they are really injured its definitely unfair to them.

[@runeer]

He didn't die on the spot, that's what makes the fans angry with BWF, very very poor umpiring and emergency medical response

[@chongkm8941]

Extremely BAD rules maybe purposely designed to destroy both badminton and players should organise an alternative to replace BWF.

[@c.l75]

The practice of the new rules were like the thought of the human and animal. Humanize was to be thought to be wiser, but animal only can felted the negative side of the human. Hence, If there is no interesting matches, who wants to watch the game? If there is no audience, who wants to become the sponsor? The same thing also, If there doesn't have superstar players, what is the value of the BWF???

[@pauldodd2120]

Somehow don't really understand your point.

[@rigonliu1042]

These rules are crue! There should be some ways to prevent the players using these rules to deliberately delay the game when they actually have no hurt.

[@pauldodd2120]

Don't see how it's possible to decide if players really have pain or not (short of very big and expensive medical scanners, taking up to 30 minutes for a diagnosis).

[@FLChan-um5dw]

I think there should be a balance... I think treatment should still be given to the players however if the tournament doctors found that the players are faking it then one point is given to his opponent during the game. If they also found that the player has abused this rule, fines and point reduction (ranking) and also banning players from playing certain tournaments can be imposed. This will cause some players to think twice on abusing the rules...as it will affect their ranking and their ability to earn prize money as they are banned from tournaments...

[@facejoker1349]

I just read other comments. Some people said its better to give up than make the injures worst and takes longer to recover. Because spray is only to limit the pain and not heal the injures. There is one thing. Almost everybody want to win and go to the next stages and if possible win the tournament. Specially if the price get higher for each stages. For example(true story): I won the first set. On the 2nd set i got pain on my shoulder. I cannot smash as hard as on the first set. I want any treatment possible, like spray. To be able to perform without/ignore pain. As long as i can beat my opponents at that moment and go to the next stages. How many stage, i dont care. Higher is beter. Its my responsibility if my injure become worst on the next stage. After i got spray treatment i dont feel pain(temporally). I can push body and hit smashes as hard as the first set. Guess what, I won.

[@michaelkoerli3815]

I disagree with this rule… comparing this to tennis, its inhuman

[@DanDan-li4hr]

I remember Jonathan Christie injured and there is no proper wheelchair to carry him out. The guy carrying him even dropped him while sitting in a flimsy ""wheelchair"

[@GaryM67-71]

BWF is a Mickey Mouse organisation, local leagues are run more efficiently.

[@PurpleFrogHigh5]

One solution might be mandatory breaks at 7/14, or 6/12/18, instead of only once at 11. Good for players to rest and good for BWF to get more money from sponsors' ad.

[@pauldodd2120]

If someone retires in a match, they are out of the tournament, regards of if they could win the group or not. If you have a very small injury which could be OK by the next day, you need to continue. If you would go to the KO stage even if you lost, it might make sense to continue and limp around.

[@izulhazimy6556]

yup... really stupid law now

[@vickytan4181]

I think the players should play for other bodies and leave BWF. What a shame.

[@teomelvin7430]

Stupid laws

[@wps5133]

Victor Axelsen complained about delay tactics meanwhile it is his fellow countrymen, Anders Antonsen, who abuses all kind of delay tactics. From delaying the serve to complaining about service judge coughing.

[@dbdejonge2081]

Victor does the same with his serve, just swinging his racket for 5 seconds 😮

[@MaksimsDacis]

what nonsense. the way Victor serves is absolutely legal​@@dbdejonge2081

[@kevinlu0]

agree with bwf, cold spray is a temporary fix and doesn't have any lasting benefits for the players. usage of cold spray has been abused to a point where banning it creates more benefits than detriment, so i believe it should stay

[@kumark214]

It provided me with lasting benefits by curing my 30 year suffering of bursitis in 2 days.

[@Deloowix]

Cold spray only numbs the pain. But pain is important to stop players from pushing themselves for short term gain with long term injury. It is akin to doping or taking painkillers to push through the pain, it is bad for players in the long run. The best form of treatment is rest, which is, to give up the game.

[@kumark214]

No. It is anti-inflammatory.

[@andremalmgrenjensen4105]

@@kumark214a little bit of cold spray.? Absolutely not 😂😂

[@rahulbdesh]

I wonder how many of the BWF members were professional shuttlers or even professional sports people. And the same question goes for the refs. This makes me angry as well as sad for genuine players

[@pauldodd2120]

Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen, the BWF president, won gold at the Atlanta Olympics. Professional players don't become technical officials, but go more into coaching or association jobs, if they remain in badminton.

[@KinSenx]

It seems that BWF message to the players play at your own risks

[@elpistore9175]

What with that magic spray anyway, I have not noticed that being used in other sports just as much. Why don't players be allowed to cold spray themselves without doctor help?

[@pauldodd2120]

They are allowed in the interval to apply cold spray.

[@bernardtan4609]

then make soccer player also no injuries treatment. the badminton player already no rest continue playing every competition.

[@lucarioprathz6576]

not a good one. I think this must be changed

[@veera99936]

I think players should not enter into a tournament without worrying about their health. BWF is there to make profit & money from the sweat, pain and sometimes the life of players. So players your health and life are more important then the money and title given by BWF. Play in other non BWF tournaments don't let BWF monopoly the game. I also think billionaires in the world who loves badminton create a independent world class badminton federation.

[@pauldodd2120]

There are very few non BWF tournaments that offer substantial prize money. If you don't play big tournaments you won't get sponsors. If you play tournaments not sanctioned by BWF or national associations, you will be banned from BWF tournaments. I also don't think BWF make a large profit, gains are plowed into development.

[@AngSawHoon]

So every country got to send their own medical team . BWF don't want to spend this money

[@Danielchan-z6h]

Of course it is a stupid rule. Every sport (football and rugby) do allow for such treatment.DO NOT SACRIFICE PLAYERS HEALTH AND SAFETY JUST BECAUSE A SMALL MINORITY TRY FAKING INJURY. DO NOT PUNISH PLAYERS WITH REAL INJURY JUST BECAUSE OF SOME FAKE ONES. FIND WAY TO PUNISH THESE FAKERS

[@coldsunflares]

That is what happens when the board is filled with bureaucrats who have never set foot on a badminton court in their life.

[@NoobMaster69-z6k]

Badminton tournament rules is shit.

[@ducnguyen4083]

Thanks to BWF legislative system, more players switch to Pickleball.

[@pauldodd2120]

Can't see any of the top players switching.

[@thebrwnkid]

Just implement a minimum amount of time for players to be ready for the next point. Baseball in America has implemented a similar rule for pitchers and it appears to have a beneficial effect on flow of the game.

[@pauldodd2120]

You mean "maximum".

[@surapurna]

Kalau pemain bawa tissue magic gitu apa boleh dia usap sendiri yah? Walaupun nggk se instan cold spray sih efeknya. Peraturan yang aneh emang. Keselamatan pemain harusnya tetap paling utama. BWF bisa apa kalau pemain nggk berani main karena aturan yg aneh ini. Merugikan bgt.

[@peterwong8499]

No cold spray but you get cold heart treatment instead. How ridiculous!

[@desertreindeer]

If the opponent agreed to let the injured player to do treatment then is not a delay tactics right.

[@Jayden-y6t4z]

So stupid ah, bwf

[@tariqkamil7853]

All for TV ratings, advertising and time. BWF have to balance players’ safety and commercial success. Without the players, there won’t be sponsors. Tennis went thru the same thing. Now it’s figuring how to allow players rest during the match; like 90 seconds after 9 points or, 5 serve outs. This also allows air time for advertising and sponsors.

[@raymundmonica8884]

So what the Dr. use for during the tournament for

[@pauldodd2120]

The doctor will be invaluable in a medical emergency, which can occur in any of the people around the court or in the hall. They can also advise the player what the injury could be, and if it will get worse if they continue. At the end, it's the player's decision.

[@TuanAnhLe-wn7gk]

If the player wants to use cold spray during matches, they should stop complaining about the abuse of the rule. You can't have both ways.

[@oneworldchua5293]

Players are "forced" by the system to play too many matches. Modern day badminton games are unlike those in the 1970s, games nowadays are so punishing'; players are running to all for corners of their respective courts, jumping and bending. It is indeed very sad to see players' limbs almost fully wrapped in plaster strips. Hope the organisers and sponsors will be more humane in future and not treat the players as money making machines.

[@wilsonlum1507]

Time to have a new faces in bwf.. Starts with Paul Erik Larsson, rules are created by bwf and is time to change, players life are far more important than their stupid rules..

[@pauldodd2120]

Poul-Erik Høyer Larsen, the BWF president, won gold at the Atlanta Olympics.

[@wilsonlum1507]

@pauldodd2120 So what.. compare to tennis do u think u are more prestiges.. even RF and Nadal are allow for injury treatment time..unless if all racquet sports ruling said no treatment during match then all must follows... But u are the first to set such ruling without thinking of the repercussions..

[@nkt0811]

time to call on strike against BWF

[@heidylianawijaya8771]

BWF is not human organization...

[@glynhannaford7332]

Remember, cold spray doesn't cure injury. No, it masks pain and partially reduces inflammation, making a player more comfortable to continue, whilst the injury damage is still present and possibly worsening by playing on.

[@kumark214]

It does certain injuries such as inflammation.

[@ameerfarid2005]

Unfair for injured player.

[@AhmadFerdaus-ww1es]

Poor LZJ

[@tonyyew3759]

Should allow cold spray at 11points and injured player should hit the shuttle out to reach 11points for interval

[@pauldodd2120]

Cold spray is allowed to be applied by the player, coach or other team member under the current rules during the intervals. The tournament doctor will not apply cold spray during the match.

[@kimipang2602]

No matter what the rules, the referee should not rush the players back to the court while the doctor is still checking with the players. No players want to lose a match, not to mention to lose a point. BWF should just change back the old rules but with some adjustment. Only doctor or referee can determine whether the player can ask for medical assistance such as ankle twist or muscle cramp. No treatment if the players suddenly ask for medical assistance without obvious any accident during the match. Even some tennis players abuse their medical time out just to interrupt their opponent in form

[@pauldodd2120]

Getting the Referee and doctor to come on court will always give a delay of at least two minutes.

[@tapena8281]

stupid rule! Period!

[@steadyeddy1424]

If this country in so hurry better put all games rules to "must finish 1 set game in 20 minutes". If the result is 15-12 the 15 wins. I think this country no need beers to get drunk.

[@pauldodd2120]

Some tournaments/leagues play sets of fixed time, say 5 minutes.

[@petrified100]

couldnt they just allow cold spray when their injured??

[@user-co9ge6vc3c]

This is why badminton as a sport will never gain the same level of international popularity and prestige like tennis or football. BWF is simply a mockery to the sport! Those who truly understand badminton can't help but feel sorry for the professional players. It's arguably the most intense and physically demanding sport, but players hardly ever get the financial rewards and recognition that tennis or football players receive. To make things worse, they get mistreated with draconian and senseless rules.

[@rockle9284]

Many will donate for a new alternative badminton federation than BWF. They are not only stupid, this is heartless. I can tolerate stupidity, I can't accept heartless.

[@John-jd2qm]

Axelsen criticized the rule cuz players use it for delaying??? Buddy is delaying the game everytime when serving he needs to move his racket 10-20 times before sending out the birdie lol

[@MaksimsDacis]

it's legal. and this does not constitute a delay of the match. it uses the effect of surprise.

[@pauldodd2120]

Perhaps only 5 times now (because he was faulted for delay).

[@azriazhar6288]

Better yet let the referee judge if the player's injury should be treated or not. If players are delaying, you would knoww but spraining ankle? Give em treatment

[@mapcmichael646]

The scoring system needs looking at 21 even 30 for 1 game just look at other sports scoring .

[@राजीवदुबे]

BWF tried to change it several times, even President Høyer favoured the change. But it never succeeded in the vote.

[@ujangarie]

Stupid Rule!!! They really don't care about safety.

[@IrwanWan-i7x]

Bwf no more like spotmanship😢worst rules

[@pktan1779]

Please let the referee do the judging? When one needs cold spray, one NEEDS cold spray!!!! We can input the compassion factor into the sport, for once?

[@kelvinawyeang]

If this cannot that cannot , why not just banned it no injuries time for badminton players just walk over and that all

[@tommyhanqidong8477]

I remember in the WTF where Goh Sze Fei was having a cramp and the umpire was telling him to not delay and play, he said "Cramp? Can you play if you have cramp???" BWF is awfully stupid making these rules, they are preventing badminton to grow as a sport.

[@PaulFilmer]

Cramp is not considered an injury in tennis either. This is a sport to test hoe you've built your body and skill. If your body cannot hold up it cannot hold up.

[@tommyhanqidong8477]

@@PaulFilmer Can you play when you have cramp? lol body and skills are not even part of the discussion, every athletes is trying their best during the game anything could happen like cramp, injury. Those medical treatments are absolutely necessary, these are basic rights. You probably don't even play badminton and judging.

[@PaulFilmer]

@tommyhanqidong8477 no. I can't play with a cramp and I've lost matches due to cramping. I'm not sure how this changes what I said though. If you have not conditioned yourself for the match and you lose because of it then that's just how it goes.

[@tommyhanqidong8477]

@@PaulFilmer No one is coming into a match with cramps, it happens during the game. It shows how intense the game was and can make a professional athlete cramp. BWF need to make sure that whenever athlete have cramps, injury they get the treatment right away. Not just win or lose like you.

[@PaulFilmer]

@@tommyhanqidong8477 again cramps are not an injury. They correlate with poor conditioning, poor hydration and poor nutrients. No racquet sports allow injury time-outs for cramps. And given it is based on the condition you arrive in this is spot on.

[@mdth2012]

Nah it's a good change. Teams and coaches will have to get used to making the decision of pulling out their players the moment they have an injury. Whether to continue playing through the pain and risking further injury or pulling out immediately, it's up to the team now. And it's clear that BWF discourages the first option.

[@shin_.-]

Everyone have their own opinion on that tbh for me it is a bad change

[@demogladawar]

Changes is good in tournament.

[@kumark214]

This is throwing out the baby with the bath water. Stupid.

[@CajulisLawrenceV-dz5hf]

BWF Needs to change this Laws.This is Inappropriate Thing and the most worst law I've ever seen. In the Philippine badminton Tournaments if you are injured they care about Athelete's health priority though.

[@roco邓士载]

shame on bwf bwf爛完了

[@chrisdecu6422]

BS! Rule. Shame on BWF “protect players” I doubt its all about 💵💵💵💵

[@100league]

They need to cancel the badminton sport immediately. We have to watch pickleball now

[@raykhoo5682]

Stupid rules by BWF.... What's the statistics on faking injury???

[@PaulFilmer]

Have you not seen all the delay tactics at the moment?

[@raymundmonica8884]

No players no BWF to

[@TungNguyen-bn1lg]

Stupit rule

[@Danielho1128]

STUPID RULES

[@sujaynis3905]

If your opponent delays the match, you get the same time to recover and regroup. It's just stupid.

[@songsisters6269]

or you lose your momentum and get totally annoyed by that

[@pauldodd2120]

If you are in the flow you don't want any delays. If you are less tired/more fit then you don't want any delays.

[@d1427]

do you need a medical degree to use a spray?

[@pauldodd2120]

No, players can apply it themselves during intervals.

[@d1427]

@@pauldodd2120 I wonder why- because they need a medical degree for that?

[@devastKink]

Unpopular opinion, but I think the rule is fine. If you need medical treatment during a match, you are obviously injured and cannot play any further. The health is important yes, but getting a doctor's treatment to play further does not help the injuries at all. At that point a player should retire to save his health

[@m03_m]

When implementing players don't care and protest it. What to do? Someone create another BWF? For those who have won, they give a s... About it?

[@aathuulvardhan]

if you see any games its ok to take some time if you are injured no games cares for this delay tactic as much as badminton what if that person takes a small 10 sec break even for 10 to 20 times only 200 sec 3min not that much loss of time

[@pauldodd2120]

Getting the referee and doctor on court will mean about about a two minute delay. Players also spend 5-10 seconds getting ready to serve/receive. There are also delays when the court needs to be mopped. If you look at the length of matches where all the delays have been cut, compared to the full match, only about 30% of the time is used for playing.

[@zhoangnhanz]

for the sake of players heatlth, if they are injured, they should lose a match. No need to use spray/painkiller to continue play and make the injury worse. The healthier player should win.