Why Are Centrifugal Superchargers So Good?

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@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
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@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 Жыл бұрын
Question? Have you looked into using the petal style of throttle body and run draw through to improve efficiency? The german aircraft ran that and saw great benefits at partial throttle as the air entering is already spinning fast and offloading the impeller.
@danbenson7587
@danbenson7587 11 ай бұрын
The gears appear straight cut spurs. Would recommend helical because they are quieter, and stronger. They can be arranged so their thrust helps counter the impeller thrust. If spline-connected to the shaft so they can slide, it’s possible for them to dampen torque pulses. Cheers
@mrctuned2844
@mrctuned2844 Жыл бұрын
Erik is a very well spoken individual, he appears to understand not only his product, but the industry asking for his products. Excellent interview, I'm predominantly a turbo guy but these Prochargers are badass!
@shakeydavesr
@shakeydavesr Жыл бұрын
Andre is a great interviewer. From the questions he asks to how he presents the questions, wording them in a way that people of different levels of knowledge can understand. Wether or not the responses are "friendly",,, lol,,, that’d be out his control. I like listening to HPA podcasts while I’m driving on a trip that’s more than 30 minutes. All those 1-2 hr shows help pass the time as well as stimulate the grey matter ;)
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the feedback mate! Really glad you are enjoying the TunedIn Podcast. 👍🏻 - Ben
@johnhall412
@johnhall412 Жыл бұрын
Love my Procharged Integra. No one is expecting that noise from a 4 cylinder.
@zztop7306
@zztop7306 Жыл бұрын
I've always found supercharged 4 cylinders interesting, a friend of mine had a Jackson racing blower on a k series in a little EG and it was Hella fun. What kind of power you making?
@johnhall412
@johnhall412 Жыл бұрын
Haven’t dyno’d it but figuring around 450wheel
@AtZero138
@AtZero138 Жыл бұрын
That would be Rad to hear,, I just like fast.. I drive old American cars,, Dodge.. but I don't judge, fast is Awesome,
@minimanadam
@minimanadam Жыл бұрын
Would it beat my mini ??? kzbin.infojWoEr_yIkQ0?si=dXSoztOllh05sQRB
@minimanadam
@minimanadam Жыл бұрын
G'luck fitting that mechanical drive charger setup into anything besides a funnycar style dragster.. lol whst engine bay has that much room without pushing back the engine ect ?
@seethruhead7119
@seethruhead7119 Жыл бұрын
Best Motorsports related channel on KZbin period. Every interview is always great.
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 Жыл бұрын
The guy knows what he's talking about. Thats what makes the difference.
@NieJestemzPolskiPL
@NieJestemzPolskiPL Жыл бұрын
100% truth, I wanted to say the same.
@MotorsportMonkey
@MotorsportMonkey Жыл бұрын
And I still cannot believe these guys do not have millions subscribed!
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support man! The whole team here appreciates it. - Ben
@getahanddown
@getahanddown Жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 Legends. It isn't exaggeration though. Always well laid out courteous and informative videos. I would say only Stephan Papadakis would be similar in terms of bam - short video with well explained cutting edge info - all killer no filler. Nice to hear kiwi accents online too :)
@blackmancer
@blackmancer 4 ай бұрын
Probably the best channel for motorsport knowledge, Andre is the best I've seen over the years.
@hpa101
@hpa101 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support 😎
@Just1Spark
@Just1Spark Жыл бұрын
I hope people can appreciate how damn hard such a good info packed impromptu interview such as this, is to achieve! Well done!
@GMsnowflakez
@GMsnowflakez Жыл бұрын
i learned so much about superchargers in this video and Im not even an engine guy, im a suspension guy lol
@supremeflagship8965
@supremeflagship8965 Жыл бұрын
That's why I love this channel. Lot's of good information. Hope to see a similar interview with screw blower manufacturers.
@SR-fx5sm
@SR-fx5sm Жыл бұрын
I am always amazed at how well you conduct interviews.
@ImEasyAs
@ImEasyAs Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see one of these on a big ported rotary. It'd free up so much restriction from having a turbo having off the exhaust. The sound of the old supercharged 20B Mazsport FC RX7 was insane.
@ProChargerSuperchargers
@ProChargerSuperchargers Жыл бұрын
Great video! Erik does a EPIC job explaining the power and performance ProCharger offers!
@dannysdailys
@dannysdailys Жыл бұрын
They're only one of many.
@whytebearconcepts
@whytebearconcepts Жыл бұрын
Considering this concept for racing goes as far back as the 1950's with the Potvin Superchargers, there has certainly been massive advancements with the new metals, fuel delivery systems, and the engines themselves.
@dannysdailys
@dannysdailys Жыл бұрын
Advancing the technology? Fuel injection and electronic timing made the biggest impact to making any of this possible. I have a supercharged Pentastar with a Vortec in it that puts out 608 hp and it's quite amazing.
@whytebearconcepts
@whytebearconcepts Жыл бұрын
@@dannysdailys I work with a couple of vintage racers here in California, mostly just doing fabrication on bodywork. There's been two that have come through this summer building Potvin blown cars, one is a small block Chevy and the other a flathead Ford. In the shop next door is a Camaro with 500+ cubic inch Procharged engine. We looked at the dyno info for both the 1960's Potvin Chevy and the Procharged engine and the curves for torque are very similar. Much higher in the modern engine of course, but different that with a belt driven blower. I'm not well versed in making sense of that sort of data, but I remarked about how similar it was to each other and even the guys with the dyno had to take a look.
@jamesgeorge4874
@jamesgeorge4874 Жыл бұрын
It originally goes back to the 1930's with aircraft engines, although they were trying to keeping intake air density as close to sea level to maintain power output.
@margiemouse1660
@margiemouse1660 Жыл бұрын
Miller used centrifugal superchargers for some Indy engines in the 1930's then built the Novis in the 40's with them. a brute force approach but you have to start somewhere.
@whytebearconcepts
@whytebearconcepts Жыл бұрын
@@jamesgeorge4874 Wasn't it Willey Post that did his flight at something like 30K feet in a pressurized flight suit and early Supercharging? California to Ohio if memory serves me, 1935-36.
@duffeybrothersheatingplumb4980
@duffeybrothersheatingplumb4980 7 ай бұрын
I love listening to guys that really know what they are talking about , very knowledgeable guys .
@weljo2001
@weljo2001 Жыл бұрын
Had a 99 Mustang Cobra i put a ProCharger Super Charger on it in 2000 and it was a beast when need be, but also a great daily driver...
@erikradzins
@erikradzins Жыл бұрын
HEY THATS ME! Thanks again for the video guys! See you all again in Vegas?!?!?
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
You bet! Thanks again for your time mate!
@chrismathes3647
@chrismathes3647 11 ай бұрын
I'm so old I can remember when ATI/ProCharger was the only company to offer an intercooler SC kit. The rest followed 💯
@scudzuki
@scudzuki Жыл бұрын
Roots or Twin Screws deliver a wide flat torque curve, much more useful in the real world than the peaky delivery of a centrifugal. This coming from an owner of 2 centrifugally blown cars that I love.
@Day1Mechanic
@Day1Mechanic Жыл бұрын
every time i drive a roots or screw car, its almost unusable on the street. you give them more than h 30 or 40% throttle and they just want to blow the tires off. every centri ive driven is basically like a NA car until you cross the RPM threshold for boost. if im cruising on the interstate at 70 mph, i dont want to be making 2 or 3lbs of boost because of my gearing since im in a manual. they come on line when you really want to put the pedal down. i used to be a roots guy but now im a centri guy because ive been able to experience both several times now on different platforms and ive just come to favor centris.
@scudzuki
@scudzuki Жыл бұрын
​@@Day1Mechanic Yeah it's a bitch having all that power available low in the powerband. In lower gears it takes some throttle control to reduce wheelspin but in higher gears you can mash the pedal at any RPM and feel the joy. I rode 170 HP literbikes for a decade and you can't give them a lot of throttle @ lower PRM in the lower gears or you'll land on your head. It was fun then and it is fun on 4 wheels as well. As for cruising on the highway, the Maggie HB TVS2300 has a bypass valve that eliminates boost and parasitic loss at small throttle openings and light loads.
@P71ScrewHead
@P71ScrewHead Жыл бұрын
@@scudzuki I'll take a pd blower over anything.. In a race, the pd blower car just takes off way faster n is hard to beat.. Reason why most 3 second cars (1/4 mile) use pd blowers..lol
@scudzuki
@scudzuki Жыл бұрын
@@P71ScrewHead Yep, I want to ride that fat wave of torque from 2000 RPM to redline! This is why I have a Magnuson TVS2300 twin screw I'm installing on my LS7 ('11 Z06)
@P71ScrewHead
@P71ScrewHead Жыл бұрын
@@scudzuki The LS7, my favorite Chevy engine of the LSs.. Do you have the head fix or replaced with CNC heads?? Give it the beans man, smoke them tires..lol
@firemanjim324
@firemanjim324 Жыл бұрын
If I ever have the money to blow , I'm definitely going with ProCharger..... Been a fan of their work since day one.
@joshuawolftexas
@joshuawolftexas Жыл бұрын
First time watching a video. This guy is great at interviewing people.
@shaynekirby9117
@shaynekirby9117 Жыл бұрын
Our of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see a ProCharger on a Cummins. I've always done compounds, but the kid in me wants this
@ImperatorCaesar22
@ImperatorCaesar22 4 ай бұрын
@@shaynekirby9117 Even better, what you can do is have a sequential setup with a centrifugal supercharger feeding into a larger turbo, so that the centrifugal is just there to eliminate turbo lag at low RPM and spool the larger one faster. You could do the same thing with an electric turbo. This would create a lot of boost but if you already have a turbo, it’s probably easier to just install an anti lag system with compressed air feeding the exhaust and spooling the turbo faster
@sidbobby3233
@sidbobby3233 Жыл бұрын
Love this, never been that intrested in "super chargers" but this was very interesting. Again presented well and helped pick up the more "tec" bits for those not in the know. Thanks 😎😎✌✌👌👌👍👍
@Come-What-May
@Come-What-May Жыл бұрын
Very good discussion. A lot of clarity in this.
@camerone397
@camerone397 11 ай бұрын
Saw these Prochargers in person at PRI this year and was fascinated by them. really cool technology that honestly makes a lot of sense too
@edwinwheatley2732
@edwinwheatley2732 4 ай бұрын
I love my Procharged 13 mustang gt. I’ve daily driven it for 140000 miles and counting.
@toxaq
@toxaq Жыл бұрын
Damn, brilliant as always. Guessing CVTs couldn’t handle the force to make variable speed a possibility.
@bennyb.1742
@bennyb.1742 Жыл бұрын
They can handle loads of force, but I think the belt would expand outwards at that kind of crazy RPM and bugger up the ratio.
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 Жыл бұрын
ProCharger does actually have a compressor you can buy with a programmable CVT gearbox, called the 'i-1'. Or at least they did anyway, I haven't heard anything about it in a while, honestly might not have sold too many because it was a little more expensive of course and, honestly, the "need" for more boost down low out of centrifugals is a bit blown out of proportion for most applications. It's for street car stuff, I don't know how far anyone has pushed the i-1 but ProCharger says they're good for a max of 900HP.
@501isa
@501isa Жыл бұрын
@@bennyb.1742 I would imagine the CVT would be used before a gearbox that reaches the crazy speeds. Basically run it so it can shift the input speed to the gearbox 1/3RD up or down from crank speed. Allowing it to be under driven under driven at idle and low load cruising then to be over driven to get the compressor into its efficiency range when the engine RPM is climbing.
@adamsh1
@adamsh1 Жыл бұрын
@@bennyb.1742 they can’t, where are you getting your info from
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify Жыл бұрын
CVT driven centrifugal blowers have been made. Major example was the Daimler Benz DB605 built by Germany during WW2. In that case the blower was driven by a fluid coupling, varying the amount of fluid (engine oil) in the coupling gave variable speed. A simpler and more reliable option is to use a multi speed gearbox. Most WW2 plane engines were set up that way, usually two speeds were available shifted by clutches. The reason they went to the trouble in both cases is so that the superchargers could compensate for higher altitudes by increasing the drive speed.
@teamgonzo9289
@teamgonzo9289 6 ай бұрын
Enjoy this video very much!!! 👍 Knew a lot of the stuff already, however technology moves on . (I swear I saw something very similar to this, on a Schmidt 109. Just 2 Speeds though.) The guy is so good, he sold me on looking into more information.
@UncleManuel
@UncleManuel Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I didn't know that! These superchargers only spin at 1/2 or 1/3 the speed of exhaust driven turbochargers. That is a huge difference if the compressor wheel spins at 180000 rpm or just 75000 rpm... 😲 And btw: using a "Winters quickchange" style gearbox is quite genious for changing the ratios... 👍
@mr.pineapple7620
@mr.pineapple7620 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see someone experiment with driving a centrifugal through a cvt to always keep it at optimum rpm and desireable boost
@Procharmo
@Procharmo Жыл бұрын
Procharger already did it with the Idrive
@laszu7137
@laszu7137 10 ай бұрын
I think that's what Messerschmitt did back in the 1930s. Variable hydraulic drive.
@25aspooner
@25aspooner Жыл бұрын
Thank y’all!!! Love the deep information.
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 😎
@rickchambers73
@rickchambers73 Жыл бұрын
Also another cool factor not mention. No oil lines from engine. They have there own oil.
@chaderickson9574
@chaderickson9574 5 ай бұрын
That's exactly why I went with pro charger. Contains its own oil! Didnt want to tap in to the oil pan
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 Жыл бұрын
That was a great interview! I’d love to supercharge my old kent 1600 crossflow. One can only dream🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀
@sardengineering
@sardengineering Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this interview, solid information delivered in an easy to digest manner.
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! Love you are still watching. Long time fan right there. - Ben
@pingpong4016
@pingpong4016 7 ай бұрын
Damn, this guy knows his stuff! Great interview
@MRworldEtIkA
@MRworldEtIkA Жыл бұрын
my guy reporter knew his stuff, makes the interview so much better
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that! Thanks for the support 🤘
@pugmanick
@pugmanick Жыл бұрын
Really good interview. Knowledgeable and personable guy. Excellent
@Chris.Davies
@Chris.Davies Жыл бұрын
I had a spinner in my 911 race car. But I have to confess, after driving turbocharged cars: turbos are better!
@ezequielsanuy8895
@ezequielsanuy8895 Жыл бұрын
I have a new idea, a normal complete turbocharger that is crank opperated via a cvt belt driven to spool the turbo at low rpm and with a free wheel mechanism, so when the cvt cannot go faster the exaust flow pushes the turbo. In other words replace the electric motor of the turbo of an f1 mercedez with a cvt, free wheel and pulley connected to the crank shaft and obtain instant response and peak power like never before
@joshgessinger4509
@joshgessinger4509 Жыл бұрын
Great video thought i new most everything about aspiration but I learned something new. HP academy is a great place to learn if ur new to motor sports or a vet. Iv Taking many hp courses like to take more soon as I have the time. Thanks HP academy
@mickvonbornemann3824
@mickvonbornemann3824 Жыл бұрын
A centrifugal supercharger is basically a turbocharger without the exhaust turbine, so it’s driven off the crank. Well there’s no reason why a turbocharger can’t also be driven off a crank as well, so they can ‘crank’ plenty of air before exhaust pressure builds up on the turbine & so, using the benefits of a variable gear drive, can also put power back into the crank. This is called turbo-compounding & was popular in aero engines in the immediate post-WWII period & some trucks today
@TheHighpotinuse
@TheHighpotinuse Жыл бұрын
Great questions and answers. No time wasted. Thank you.
@frankeck5493
@frankeck5493 Жыл бұрын
Andre does such good interviews. He does the Kiwis proud.
@DonnyDRacing
@DonnyDRacing Жыл бұрын
I have a ve alloytec engine (with new timing chains lol) I have a v3 sealed trim capa supercharger with big intercooler and running a 10psi pulley and getting 335 kw at the treads at 6500rpm limited about to install a haltech to solve some fueling issues. As is I would say it's similar to a big v8 so much fun to drive and very street able. I would recommend great tensioner and very precise bracket and pulley orientation and it's awesome
@frankmmiii
@frankmmiii Жыл бұрын
Very informative. I won't use it on my Challenger Scat Pack but maybe on my Ram1500.
@sn95_mustang_garage
@sn95_mustang_garage Жыл бұрын
I have a Procharger D1-X on my 2020 Mustang GT making 770HP at the wheels at Palm Beach Dyno. I don't like the Procharger Blow-Off Valve that came with the kit. It's very bulky, it's not very snappy. Although their blowers are fantastic, get a Tial or equivalent to fix normal drive ability issues.
@captainobvious9188
@captainobvious9188 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always wanted to see a big twincharged setup with a tubular header exhaust manifold with wastegate priority and small turbos, and a centrifugal supercharger for the top end.
@ItMeZumn
@ItMeZumn 5 ай бұрын
Look up Packard Performance, they have a twin charged Turbo & Centrifugal charger set up on their 2.0l 4 cyl Pro R side by side. It is insane
@magnitudematrix2653
@magnitudematrix2653 11 ай бұрын
.7854xdia2/PSI or KPA. That is the formula you need for all displacement cylindered applications. As long as you know the maximum pressure per cylinder at maximum load then all your other ratios per atmosphere absolute will equate. Use this formula with your map sensors and ratios.
@quocd5580
@quocd5580 Жыл бұрын
Procharger + 50mm blowoff valve = scaring all the children / parents @ the park.
@R3LLIK24
@R3LLIK24 Жыл бұрын
#1 no hot gas.... #2 works like a supercharger. #3 less plumbing #4 see number 2... Tuning ability and reliable. Easy install. 💥
@aaronliddell4280
@aaronliddell4280 Жыл бұрын
Pro-charger’s are great and all, but I’ll take the properly sized turbo setup 9 times out of 10
@michaelgreenup4777
@michaelgreenup4777 Жыл бұрын
Thanks very informative.
@markbroad119
@markbroad119 Жыл бұрын
Anyway to get one on my '95 7.3 powerstroke diesel?
@tbonilla6922
@tbonilla6922 3 ай бұрын
I’d like to see a Procharger/turbo compound 2JZ. I bet there would be zero boost lag if set up properly? Could it be done???
@lauriedooker1031
@lauriedooker1031 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one 👍
@lobbyrobby
@lobbyrobby Жыл бұрын
I have a centrifugal on my 2020 mustang gt. It's awesome but I should've got a pd blower. For my driving style I've always liked the down low power (which the coyote does not have at all)
@yamakasi5792
@yamakasi5792 8 ай бұрын
Install a 3600 rpm stall, I'll fix that issue. 😁
@lobbyrobby
@lobbyrobby 8 ай бұрын
@@yamakasi5792 hahaha. I see what you're saying but I have a manual. My left foot is my stall converter. With that being said I rarely launch it. I have faith the ole' shitty mt-82 in my car will hold up but they sure do grenade a lot.
@Pralix2000
@Pralix2000 Жыл бұрын
Twincharger ftw!
@licence1001011
@licence1001011 Жыл бұрын
Heck ya
@johngatsby1473
@johngatsby1473 7 ай бұрын
Im excited. I just purchased an f1x and am ready to get going again.
@hpa101
@hpa101 7 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy diving into it! - Taz.
@johngatsby1473
@johngatsby1473 7 ай бұрын
@@hpa101 honestly I don't know if I will keep it, I traded for it, I gave them my 02 roller c5 z06. What I really want is to trade it for a nice TT kit because I prefer turbo over supercharged all day long. I just needed to shut the wife up about the z06 rotting away.
@hpa101
@hpa101 7 ай бұрын
haha 'happy wife, happy life' moment eh! I'm sure you will figure it out. Part of the fun of all this is owning and trying different things. I'm sure a deal will come up on something you prefer down the line, and then when you get bored of that you will see something else different again in the future that tickles your fancy 😎 - Taz.
@johngatsby1473
@johngatsby1473 7 ай бұрын
@@hpa101 the shit is fun man. I went from a stock ls6 with the sts twins on it to a Ysi with a built 403 ls2 running 18 lbs. Blew it up and sold off the ysi and let the Vette rot since 2011....now the urge is back....I'm the old fella in a Vet that kids laugh at....till I hit them with 1k rwhp. That's the fun part.
@henrysmith8012
@henrysmith8012 Жыл бұрын
I have been running one for years. These things just flat work. Power is instant. Daily driving no problem.
@robertehasz1523
@robertehasz1523 Жыл бұрын
Been running my procharger for 7 years.Very reliable.
@johnr4032
@johnr4032 11 ай бұрын
I would like to see why on street outlaws tv several times guys running prochargers on chevy's broke multiple input shafts in a few nights of racing. What caused this and has it been fixed.
@dave5833
@dave5833 Жыл бұрын
ProCharger had no idea how to make their blower work on my LS swapped 57 Chevy BelAir. I had to spend $1000.’s fixing their work and brackets.
@ATomRileyA
@ATomRileyA Жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative.
@alexgraham6887
@alexgraham6887 Жыл бұрын
Great video, but if the centrifugal design is my efficient then why are the top fuel dragster designed with a screw
@SleeperAccord
@SleeperAccord Жыл бұрын
good stuff quality info
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed this one 😎
@TurboHappyCar
@TurboHappyCar Жыл бұрын
Great stuff, love the in-depth content. 👍
@SebastianBlix
@SebastianBlix Жыл бұрын
I always enjoy these interviews, thank you! That said, between a standard roots/screw blower and a turbo, a centrifical supercharger does kinda sound like the worst of both worlds. I'm sure it definitely has its's place mostly in uber high hp very custom drag applications (and sales back that up) but doesn't look like a good fit for more "street" or circuit applications. Still, awesome tech.
@crackpotfox
@crackpotfox Жыл бұрын
Having driven 5-600 hp v8s with both TVS and centrifugal blowers, i think putting it that way kind of glosses over parts of each type of blower. The TVS mustang was absolutely brutal to drive. Very hard to control due to the huge amount of torque available down low. Not a bad thing to have a broad torque band, just hard to drive. The centrifugal makes little boost until you get some speed into it. Sure, it's disadvantaged, however, it does have awesome driveability. Plus if you want boost, just downshift once or twice. You're going to be at higher RPM when you want the power anyway.
@veganjoy
@veganjoy Жыл бұрын
@@crackpotfox yeah i mean it's still gonna be making half boost at half rpm right? just seems to me like a waste at anything under peak rpm which is where a street car lives often. and probably a reason every oem in the past 20 or 30 years has only gone with PD blowers. plus the sound is hard to beat
@crackpotfox
@crackpotfox Жыл бұрын
@biruitor1680 I mean, at WOT, are you at half rpm or full rpm? I'm usually at the top half of the rev range at wot.
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify Жыл бұрын
The lower boost at lower RPM could be an advantage for a street car, less boost means less fuel used (as less air is flowing) and also less torque needed to drive the supercharger, so your fuel economy will probably be quite a bit better than a PD blower. Of course turbos also have this property. And they are cheaper, no super high speed gearbox required.
@crackpotfox
@crackpotfox Жыл бұрын
@nerd1000ify To be fair, modern (as of like 30 years ago) pd blowers use a bypass valve that essentially disables boost unless your throttle is open enough. And turbos are certainly not cheaper. Look at turbo kits vs centrifugal kits. Centri supercharging is cheaper than a turbo setup or a PD setup, unless it's chinese junk.
@SpecialEDy
@SpecialEDy Жыл бұрын
I always get miffed when i hear people talk about parasitic drag. A turbocharger has parasitic drag, via pumping loses on the exhaust stroke. Centrifugal especially and Twin Screws even are very close to turbochargers in terms of efficiency.
@AndrewShingange
@AndrewShingange Жыл бұрын
Can you prove this?
@josephschaefer9163
@josephschaefer9163 Жыл бұрын
Turbos use more heat energy than mechanical drive energy. Therefore less parasitic loss
@SpecialEDy
@SpecialEDy Жыл бұрын
@josephschaefer9163 Not exactly. Pressure, temperature, and volume are all the same thing. A turbocharger generates exhaust backpressure, whereas a performance exhaust on a supercharged or NA engine generates scavenging(vacuum). Typically, the backpressure on a turbocharged engine is anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times the amount of boost generated by the turbo, with the center of that range giving the best balance between turbo lag and undersized turbo. The backpressure means that the piston has to exert energy in order to force exhaust through the turbo on the exhaust stroke. So, an NA engine has a parasitic loss or pumping loss, drawing in air on the intake stroke. A supercharger has a parasitic loss spread out over all 4 strokes. A turbocharger has a pumping loss on the exhaust stroke. Turbochargers and superchargers are both more efficient than piston strokes at moving air. This means that a 6 to 1 compression ratio engine with 15lbs of boost will have an effective compression ratio of 12 to 1, and will be more energy efficient than a similar NA engine with a 12 to 1 compression ratio. Because, the forced induction device is more energy efficient at compressing air and pumping air than the intake or compression stroke of a piston. In other words, superchargers and turbochargers have overall less pumping losses than a similar horsepower NA engine because the pumping loss savings offset the power to drive the compressor/blower. But turbochargers nonetheless leech power from the engine, directly from the crankshaft via the exhaust stroke. This is more efficient than a supercharger, but not as much as you'd think. When I was looking through compressor maps trying to size for my 4.0L, at 15lbs of boost a twin screw supercharger would require about 40hp at redline, a centrifugal supercharger would require about 35 hp at redline, and a turbo would require about 30hp at redline.
@SpecialEDy
@SpecialEDy Жыл бұрын
@@josephschaefer9163 Roots style blowers are really terrible, absolutely no competition between a Roots Supercharger and a Turbocharger. However, Twin Screw superchargers and Centrifugal Superchargers are much closer to turbochargers.
@fkhothatchi
@fkhothatchi Жыл бұрын
Imagine the newer civic type R has a procharger instead of a turbo and still revs to 8k+ I think it will solve all it's inherent cooling problems
@jordannorman1314
@jordannorman1314 Жыл бұрын
Yes it would by vaporizing the engine completely.
@ItMeZumn
@ItMeZumn 5 ай бұрын
Centrifugals run away cooler. Also no shared oil for the coolant to have to cool down. No heat soak. No heat from back pressure. Kraftwerks makes centrifugal Supercharger kits for civics. It's very possible
@ItMeZumn
@ItMeZumn 5 ай бұрын
I have a centrifugal charger on my Yamaha side by side
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 Жыл бұрын
Ryan Martin has joined the chat...!!!
@Blkslvr18
@Blkslvr18 11 ай бұрын
I have a 4 speed 200r4 but with 4.30 gears a Turbo or PD Blower would leave me with a ton of traction issues in 1st and 2nd which would suck since I daily my car. Centrifugal is the only way to go if you dont want to be punished for aggressive gearing.
@HaveFunBikes
@HaveFunBikes Жыл бұрын
The interview is awesome! I have a question for you guys. Was ever produced, or is there anyone testing a procharger and turbo hybrid? A procharger with exhaust housing of a turbo. The speed of the procharger is dictated by engine speed, like a procharger, but the exhaust gasses are scavenged by the procharger or the exhaust gases helps drive the gears of the procharger and effectively the engine? If not, can anyone really produce a high quality one and share the results?
@josephschaefer9163
@josephschaefer9163 Жыл бұрын
Locomotives have turbos with some sort of drive with an overrun clutch for starting and low speed efficiency
@pauleskridge7209
@pauleskridge7209 Жыл бұрын
One thing in question is what supercharger works best upon high boost loads and not put a significant amount of wear and tear on the block internals like the crank main bearings....how come this wasnt covered?
@johnmarkgatti3324
@johnmarkgatti3324 Жыл бұрын
very interesting ,drivability looks to be main win , great for rallying i would think . no mention of of actual efficiency ,as in fuel in for power out vs the exhaust driven turbo ,which is using some heat rather than just dumpnf it asap . and do they need blow off ,or recalculation valves ?.
@DrewPWebos
@DrewPWebos Жыл бұрын
What is your take on the up and coming GSS belt driven Centris 🤨
@dogdue4588
@dogdue4588 Жыл бұрын
So riddle me this, which is a better way to go? SuperCharger or TurboCharger?
@Blown6thGen
@Blown6thGen 10 ай бұрын
Did you not have to change to colder plugs when adding the blower and fuel system?
@georgeliquor2931
@georgeliquor2931 5 ай бұрын
I wonder how many of these are fitted to diesel motors, i imagine they would be very effective
@phalanx3803
@phalanx3803 Жыл бұрын
Cool but what would be cooler is a supper-turbo like on EMD 710's you get the best of both worlds just imigine the awesome response of a supper charger and the efficiency of a turbo.
@chipgrip
@chipgrip Жыл бұрын
Little hidden gem of knowledge @7:00
@robertehasz1523
@robertehasz1523 Жыл бұрын
7 years on a 3v Mustang.Reliable,driveable h.p.
@MichaelBuieFilms
@MichaelBuieFilms 10 ай бұрын
So, is there an improved tensioner for FBody with D1SC? Even my 8 rib is a bit inconsistent.
@PaulRodvik-jy3kr
@PaulRodvik-jy3kr Жыл бұрын
What about the old mechanical turbos that switch into gas driven at high RPM
@Hipsters_N_Hippies
@Hipsters_N_Hippies Жыл бұрын
A engine it’s basically an air pump. (But sometimes you want more power.) So you add a much more efficient air pump to your air pump, so that your air pump pumps more air.
@DrewPWebos
@DrewPWebos Жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️
@heh2k
@heh2k Жыл бұрын
Because piston engines can change rpm quickly.
@jimmydcricket5893
@jimmydcricket5893 Жыл бұрын
I'd like one on a Barra.
@Aaron-fj1hl
@Aaron-fj1hl 2 ай бұрын
I want one for my ls2
@mervynmontague1811
@mervynmontague1811 Жыл бұрын
Interesting and informative 🇯🇲 💯
@stevel.2759
@stevel.2759 11 ай бұрын
Coated pulleys are available now for less slip.
@StahlFirearmsNo2
@StahlFirearmsNo2 Жыл бұрын
So what procharger do I need for my stock 5.3 with long tubes
@slyr1
@slyr1 Жыл бұрын
I want them to build a LOUDER BLOWER like Vortech made the Heritage unit
@relaxitsme_alex9104
@relaxitsme_alex9104 Жыл бұрын
I really need to know if there’s a way I can supercharge my 560SL. It’s got the M117 V8
@franknirvana1
@franknirvana1 Жыл бұрын
I would find it interesting driving a turbo using water pressure in a boat fitout. There is a tonne of force in water flow under the boat. Thought?
@catchnkill
@catchnkill 11 ай бұрын
Not working. The turbo needs to spin very fast in order to work. Water flowing under the boat has a lot of energy but the water flow is not that rapid. You need a step up gear box to spin the turbo up to its operating rpm.
@franknirvana1
@franknirvana1 11 ай бұрын
depends on ratios i you would be surprised on how fast it would spin @@catchnkill
@evanlashway329
@evanlashway329 Ай бұрын
I wonder if you could belt drive a turbo?
@farvatron
@farvatron Жыл бұрын
Did these two get a room after this interview?! Whoa!
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
haha yes quite a dramatic difference in height there! Similar to Andres interviews with Scott Hilzinger 😂 - Taz.
@farvatron
@farvatron Жыл бұрын
@@hpa101 I just meant they were standing very close the whole time lol
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Ahh this reply went on the wrong comment. Someone mentioned height differences between Connor and Joel in another interview. Close is good! We instruct people to do that to help avoid them slowly shuffling away during an interview which is super common. I guess it could also count as romantic bonding, that's up to them I guess although they'd probably both just be happy to settle for an interview only 😂 - Taz.
@charleshulsey3103
@charleshulsey3103 Жыл бұрын
I had been thinking about turbo for my daily, but centrifugal my be the way to go 🤔
@blakelovett6512
@blakelovett6512 Жыл бұрын
Would a prochargeer work on a 13b pp high compression motor?
@NikoKyunKyun
@NikoKyunKyun 10 ай бұрын
you could, but it's not ideal, full PP is engineered to make more power at high rpm because of the overlap, kinda like big cams, you would need to change your engine completely by using side port and maybe semi pp, also use less compression rotors
@jayknight139
@jayknight139 Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of a crank/gear driven system as i am not a fan of belts because of reliability. the main issue though is that it sticks way out infront od the engine which limits what type of car you put it on but if the made it work on the Kawasaki h2 i guess you could figure it out.
@dougankrum3328
@dougankrum3328 Жыл бұрын
Kawasaki H2 has the supercharger mounted directly on the front of the head, it pushes the air right in there. I don't know if it's belt, or chain driven, but it's one or the other...probably a belt....the Japanese bikes are very good with belts...I think the Gold Wing engine has 2 belts, one for each side.
@schizophreniagaming4058
@schizophreniagaming4058 Жыл бұрын
0:06 “arvarverariety”
@hpa101
@hpa101 Жыл бұрын
Nailed it!
@albertt7784
@albertt7784 Жыл бұрын
Looks pretty easy to package in an engine bay!
@nameless9622
@nameless9622 8 ай бұрын
I want to know about the fuel amd if I need better injection
@urvhalt
@urvhalt Жыл бұрын
Centripetal, as we say at the academy ;)
@zokusharuuku1091
@zokusharuuku1091 11 ай бұрын
Could someone explain why I wouldn’t want to use a wastegate to regulate boost on a d1x procharged forged internal ls7? I like the idea of spinning the procharger faster and bleeding off the boost once it hits a certain target psi for much more midrange power and street-ability similar to a turbocharger powerband but without the lag. (D1x max psi is 32 I’m planning to target 15 psi)
@nathanboyles6222
@nathanboyles6222 5 ай бұрын
You could of your ECU supports stuff like that and you have a CO2 bottle to open it.
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