WHY ARE CHALLENGER CONTENT CREATORS LIKE THIS?

[@NEACE]

SUBMIT YOUR CLIPS FOR JUDGE NEACE VERDICT discord.gg/neace

[@i0kiVids]

This entire argument was one of the best pieces of League content in years

[@MrGodPowered]

@@parishart3509 LOL tryin to get i0ki involved. 😈

[@derbestimmer1148]

How did this come to be? Was Tarzaned also in that game?

[@thoughtspiration]

@@parishart3509 Why are you asking i0ki whose entire content revolves around making fresh accounts in Silver 4 elo and stomping low elo players? 😂

[@Lurchstavo]

@@derbestimmer1148 tarzaned was graves mid lane, they kept saying jaymo is a fake coach and troll etc so they queue sniped eachother to prove it and face eachother in jungle. This is a game they queued together and tarzaned played mid. 2 hrs later they played against eachother jg

[@Kevinterell]

Hahahahahhaahaha!!!!!!!!! Bruhhhhhh this video is GODLIKE!!!

[@patternz777]

I fuckin love that dantes is pushing neace into his circle with content (so it seems) great collab

[@Grxnts]

Yeah honestly I really didn’t care for neace at first but he’s grew on me

[@YuYuYuna_]

Neace is awesome. I think people just love to have a hate circle jerk on the internet and whoever they get the opportunity to shit on they will it doesn't matter the reason why or who it is.

[@active938]

i agree

[@HANDLE4798]

well its for clickbait as you can see all 3 of them made a video for their channels lol

[@Grxnts]

@@HANDLE4798 that’s how collaborating works

[@IanLEAU]

Yeah Tarzaned was hella right on that Drag call, not just for the reason he stated but also lets the enemy team know that you're not willing to contest 50/50 on an objective. If this is the message you're sending the enemy team they're just gonna steam roll you on everything. Heck they'll even start pushing into your jungle late game with no vision and shit on your lawn.

[@yggreuyri5822]

It's never going to be 50-50 with that dog "we scaling btw! woohoo! i play ezreal to hit for 25 damage!" botlane and a tank with a 9999 range dash vs a trollpick mid. Jaymo shouldn't have listened and just cleared camps

[@WakaFlockaN8]

😮😮

[@IanLEAU]

@@yggreuyri5822 what does that achieve aside from breaking even with kindred? No tempo on the map, enemy team pushing lanes, and vision is a fucking mess as well. You gotta make a play at an objective to stop the bleeding.

[@yggreuyri5822]

@@IanLEAU It's not a matter of tempo. Draven would simply collapse on all 4 of them because they picked dog champions. And they know that. Shyvana's only viable play here is to hover and countergank if there are no camps and play for 6. Tarzaned and Neace are retarded if they both think that dragon play is ever going to work with that Draven vs dog botlane picks

[@ArnoldBayema]

​@@yggreuyri5822lmao.... Kindred was top side, mid lane pushed when the dude was doing the gromp. That was the perfect timing for a drake. His indecision make the play bad. at this point you just make the play

[@hiddenlights2809]

I love that 1/4 of the way in tarzaned is already being suprised by how good neace actually is lol

[@YuYuYuna_]

I mean I'm willing to bet its 50% him just being typical tarzaned and not giving genuine credit towards someone especially not someone he's had beef with before and 50% serious.

[@deusredux]

That’s just Tarzaned repeating validation of himself, not actually evaluating neace’s game knowledge.

[@PdroxCbon]

@@deusredux This, couldn't have said it better myself.

[@ocinpounce6818]

u mean at 4:30 ? he was genuinely complimenting neace what are you all on about lmao

[@BlackVeilHorizons]

@@ocinpounce6818 It's a back handed compliment what are you on about lmao. If i tell you "wow i'm surprised you're not a moron" does that make you feel like I'm calling you smart or does that make you feel like I expected you to be an idiot? He's asserting that he thinks neace is dumb but since neace is agreeing with him he gives him the back handed compliment so he feels like he's still above neace.

[@psy_99]

More thought went into this 20sec play than my entire league history

[@DanKindopp]

Guy's a perfect example of what happens when you have too much knowledge about "what's supposed to happen"... you do nothing unless you sure its 100% and your team hates you.

[@YuYuYuna_]

It's a guy who focuses on concepts and never limit tests or knows his own champion's limits.

[@jamesjundt7697]

Ya I heard thebausffs say it’s not about making the perfect play it’s about making a play with your whole team making a play together

[@rofishy2]

@@jamesjundt7697sion players understand that concept better than anyone. We int because it’s a fucking meme for your team to just piss you off by watching you get dove on repeat by mid and jg with zero backup. If I’m going to die I might as well deny prio as best as possible.

[@derbestimmer1148]

@@YuYuYuna_ oh come on....

[@derbestimmer1148]

It is just getting ridiculous. How everyone in this community comes along, nitpicking the most absurd stuff just to be right once. Not you go at the guy for knowing too much? Absurd! Totally absurd. He play lvl 5 Shyvana here. If he went for that drake and died everyone would say it was a coin flip against a Kindred, especially atm. The amount of "if"s in this counter argumentation is ridiculous to justify going for this drake.

[@jmeiners1]

I think tarz gave a tiny bit of respect to neace after this one. I'm not aware of how often you two interact with each other. But I know he does like to talk smack in general. Not like you needed his respect. I think this friendship with dantes is really cool. I know for you it may seem pointless to have these type of conversations. But for us it gives us a bit of perspective on how higher elo players think about the game. I would love to see some real hard discussions about these types of things. Analyzing plays and discussing. The whole shittalk is not needed though......

[@GandalfTheSilver]

Agreed. I think for the audience, there is a lot of value in seeing the reasoning behind different approaches, but the insults kind of detracts from it.

[@diogopocas7943]

tarzaned and dantes have some videos of dantes getting coached by him and you can see them analyzing the plays and giving their perspectives. I know it's kinda weird to say this in neace channel but it's what you wanted and their duo is funny

[@VenomCold]

im here for the shittalk lmao

[@anthonypolanc0]

the shittalk is fun to watch

[@sepkamrouz1]

The only reason this is popping off on everyones channel is bc of the shit talking

[@JustShotsForMeh]

The situation: Kindred is the hardest match-up for Shyvana, Shyvana does not want to engage Kindred on even grounds because she gets directly countered by Kindred, this is a good fundamental to follow when you're learning the champion, but the funny bit is that Tarzaned already learned the fundamentals and is talking about the details, the details being you have Shyvana with tier 2 boots, level advantage, and flash against Kindred with no boots and no flash, it's such a perfect state of affairs that it's almost unfathomable that Shyvana now kills Kindred with these factors if you played Shyvana before, it's a big brain VS. mega brain argument. Top 10 coach is thinking through a Shyvana lens, Tarzaned thinks through the League of Legends lens. 7:42 On another note, Shyvana wants to gets 6 to be the strongest champion on the map and becomes fixated on red buff that grants her 6, but you give your 6 to a dead top side, why? Wolves, gromp, enemy chickens even if it's Zac Kindred sandwich, and you win every engagement including the drake, nobody even brought it up. But I guess that's the problem watching the middle of VODs without context. EDIT: 12:52 Never mind, if he thinks he loses there there's a much bigger problem I didn't factor in.

[@HamsterPants522]

Great summary. Thanks for writing this.

[@kibbit1373]

This dude isn't a top 10 coach. It's a fucking low diamond claiming to be chall, which was proven wrong in the stream.

[@kibbit1373]

Also, it's extremly unimportant how strong Shyvana is right here, since mid has prio and will always move to drake before Zac does.

[@anthonydeng5419]

Tarzaned looked into the situation with a brain lens;Jaymo saw the game through a disability lens

[@JustShotsForMeh]

@@anthonydeng5419 Funny comment, but considering you're not chall, you have some disabilities of your own using your logic.

[@wisteria_blade]

I love high elo arguments ngl A lot to learn from them

[@TheNeckoman]

They mostly call eachother names in very toxic manner, can you learn stuff, yes, be respectfull toward team and a lot more can be achieved and argument becomes conversation, from which a stubborn person can back down and learn from mistakes. But here, all the loud bitchy crybaby guy has done is being overaggressive and pushy, what caused jungler to get into extremly defensive stance from wich he will rather make effort into defending himself then letting guard down and learning. What was accomplished, nothing. Bunch of cry babies, with all due respect to neace and another normal guy who was calm and respectful too.

[@N3mdraz]

What's even more interesting is that bronze/ silver players here start debating what's the correct play xD

[@active938]

@@N3mdraz yeah but jaymo is obviously incorrect, idk what he's saying if bronze players understand that he's wrong through tarzaned and neace's explanations then gg

[@alonymelony8047]

@@N3mdraz it doesnt take more than bronze to realize that oh drakes a good call,we are present they are not we just win cuz of number advantage. delay it for 15 seconds and a amazing play turns into a dogshit one.also silver here

[@冬甩賓治]

High elo arguing with a sliver coach

[@BlackPenzo]

This feels like Hells Kitchen LoL edition

[@muhammadrafa7189]

Lmao

[@WowoWinn-lc9qb]

But all of them are feeling like Gordon Ramsay

[@worldlinezero4783]

I think I would lose my mind if I tried to have one of these guys coach me

[@something4179]

^

[@CenturyBlade]

I did not think I was going to hear the sentence "Just because we say 'contest dragon' does not mean you're a gargoyle and you stand on top of dragon with your dick in your hand and beat on the dragon." today but here we are 🤣🤣

[@adamchoquette1937]

Was such an entertaining watch to see all the account log in requests and discussions in the discord. Jaymo is clearly not on the same information and game knowledge level as Tardy and Neace.

[@冬甩賓治]

I love Jaymo. He is uniting the league content creators like avengers.❤

[@matyaskarikas1348]

why are they watching gryffinn in this game ??

[@matyaskarikas1348]

or i dont get the whole thing? they are talking like jaymo is shyvana, but shyvana ign is gryffinn, who is a prodigy jungler, currently rank4, peaking rank1 this season..

[@benalexz]

@@matyaskarikas1348 This dude called Jaymo lied about being a Challenger player/coach, so gryffin borrowed some accounts so he could prove himself playing jungle vs zaned, funny sht lmao

[@冬甩賓治]

@@matyaskarikas1348 They were supposed to be on opposite teams. But they landed on the same team and Tarzaned let him jungle. And Jaymo played like a sliver player, not kidding.

[@beemanAU]

@@matyaskarikas1348it’s not Gryffinn playing that account got “compromised” 😉

[@accelerator1666]

Neace broke Jaemo's only esoteric foothold on the topic of "tempo" on his very first input lmao.

[@tonyred5166]

Listening to these guys is why I play solo lmaoo

[@iOmgTom]

In bronze

[@iOmgTom]

@@ifuckinghatebarking I'm diamond 4 with 65% W/r

[@jordipernillo3026]

@@iOmgTom op gg

[@iOmgTom]

@@jordipernillo3026 Smited EUW

[@keys2467]

​@@iOmgTomwow omg you're so good

[@MrJuggalo909]

I love it when Tarzaned gets mad and starts calling people dumb.

[@ciriousjoker]

...so, always?

[@angelgu323]

I love when he got banned on twitch and cried like a bitch haha

[@marcusmeins1839]

Tarzaned is eating the troll bait by Jaymo XD

[@MT-so2mk]

As much as I am not a fan Tarzaned, he IS one of the best jungler. His view on the jungle and timings are hard to match. Why are people arguing so hard with him?

[@roe4822]

The shyvana in this clip spam messaged Dantes that he "could teach him more game knowledge than tarzaned". Showed up taught extremally bad calls, claims he was challenger "couldn't find the account" eventually "found it". Then someone else comes forward saying its not his account its someone elses. The guy is a fraud looking for attention.

[@YuYuYuna_]

While I agree Tarzaned is very smart and has a great understanding of the game I disagree with the notion that you shouldn't have arguments with someone who knows more than you. The issue isn't that they are arguing, arguing is a good thing it's how you figure things out and tests your reasoning for why you feel X thing is correct or better. The issue is that the Shyv is just stubborn as hell which is made even worse because he's dealing with Tarzaned who talks down to people A LOT when he's discussing league with people. Even if Tarzaned is right the way he approaches people about league doesn't help. Not justifying the Shyv at all either, being stubborn is a horrible trait to have and if you cannot defend your reasoning behind doing something without making personal insults then your argument is very weak to begin with.

[@MT-so2mk]

@@YuYuYuna_ Don't get me wrong, having a discussion is great and you should question why someone thinks something so that you will actually learn about his standpoint. What I meant was that he gave very clear reasoning about the timing, but the guy just wanted to hear he's right.

[@冬甩賓治]

@@YuYuYuna_ If doctor Tarzaned has to be arguing with every sliver Shyv players. He needs 48 hours a day. If you are trying to argue with Tarzaned at least have some kind of league credentials, and knowledge of the game. And he would definitely respect your opinion. ❤️

[@rpstephen]

@@YuYuYuna_ I agree but if you have been dealing with the same shit Tarzaned has done throughout his career playing this game for years and become challenger, I bet you would be talking down on a silver shyvana with a massive ego calling you out too.

[@tesdrenga3517]

these guys are way too emotional when debating concepts. Neace actually being the adult in the room and i'm here for it 💜

[@JTEishere]

The irony of that is lost on everyone.

[@Prexxo]

they're also debating on a level that neace cannot grasp lmfao

[@everbladee]

Corny af

[@SoulHydron]

@@Prexxo did you not see what happened to jaymo when asked to prove his chall status haha. Also wasn't Neace arguing the same concept as Tarzaned? Tarzaned even complimented Neace that he was thinking the same things

[@wileyreid5420]

@@Prexxo they have became the manifestation of league's frustration and Neace hasn't reached that level.

[@coned07]

Jaymo being so stupid is all we needed to unite Neace and Tarzaned

[@xiampiii]

I stopped playing League like 4 years ago but basically only follow Neace for the content. This was TOP tier

[@Justaplebxd1998]

We need this jungle tribunal more often

[@walkelftexasranger]

The Jury - Mr. Tarzaned has deemed you ''Retard'' As punishment you will have to touch grass for 2 weeks.

[@bigfin20]

the council

[@lizzb1065]

12:15 I have no idea why, but the timing of the shot of this castle was HILARIOUS 🤣👍🏻 WP mister editor!!! Great video, Neace! ❤

[@qvd3533]

yeah wtf is that bro, is that his house or something?

[@lizzb1065]

@@qvd3533 I thought it was like a reference to a reality show or something I haven't seen 😅

[@abraxasalpha]

“I’m surprised your (neace) is a very smart person”,,,, yooo what tf is that backhanded compliment

[@ryukoysusei]

@Neace I think you just stumbled upon a brand new type of content. You all play at a high level. You all have extensive game knowledge. The way you interpret that knowledge and arrive at an outcome differs though. 4 to 5 high level content creators all critiquing each others gameplay and decision making in basically a roundtable just doesn't get done. You might have hit another gold mine.

[@HANDLE4798]

Neace is diamond 4 he wouldnt ever be in this lobby lol

[@quack3891]

@@HANDLE4798 to be fair, the guy getting critiqued is also probably d4 since he lied about his acct lmao

[@user-gh5zo7vx4b]

this was doaenels idea, neace was dragged into the call last second for a 4th opinion

[@HANDLE4798]

@@quack3891 Well im just saying Neace agreed with Tarzaned bc he knows Tarzaned is challenger and a top tier jgler in NA so agreeing would make him look good regardless but disagreeing would make him look like an idiot like jaymo

[@void2920]

I mean Neace did reach challenger eventually.

[@bendystrawz2832]

15:11 LMAO Doanel just giggling behind the arguments! I'm dead!

[@615bacon]

NEACE was absolutely right about it being a tight timing window. The ward at blue camp gave away too much information, and walking around wolves would’ve helped that. Bot had no prio, Also Shyv was close enough to 6 to justify clearing camps instead of going drag. Finally, graves was still around to collapse to drag to help out but he recalled even though he spam pinged it. Once Shyv hesitated, he should’ve kept clearing to get that 6 spike. But also listening to to Graves pings should’ve meant graves collapses. Once he recalled, Shyv was at an instant disadvantage. There are three options here: 1. Keep smite up, commit to the dragon and path around wolves to avoid vision after kindred goes north 2. float drag and pull blue team and everyone loses EXP but that’s good for shyvanna who was still ahead in level. 3. Give drag and path to stay ahead of levels. The WORST case was the one Shyv was in where she dies, loses drag and die and give kindred lead level. That 2v2 was all shyv’s fault for not having confidence. Because he assumed it was a lost fight. Assuming is bad.

[@Haas888]

Agreed on everything but the last bit. Why do you say "assuming is bad"? League is all about assuming, you look at the items, levels, wave states etc., you calculate the posibilities and assume (i would rather use "predict" here) the outcome . Imo the only issue here was that he was just wrong in thinking they ever lose this 2v2.

[@sumwightguy7634]

Honestly feel like the two people IN CALL TOGETHER (graves and shyv) could've communicated that better anyway. Graves spam pinging the pit were the only pings in that interaction for red team. No pinging that he was backing, no "back off" pings from shyv, no on the way pings from shyv to indicate graves should stay. Silence. And again they were in call together apparently so easy enough to say "actually I'm gonna back just farm." Or something. Maybe I'm wrong because I'm not nearly as good as them.

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@Haas888 That's now how assumptions work. If you are taking in factual variables i.e. things you look at and know for certain and comparing them you aren't "assuming" anything. You are making an informed decision based on the variables in front of you and deciding "yes this is a fight we win and we win it hard" or "No we will either very closely lose or hard lose the fight." If Im driving my car down the road and come to a stop light to turn right on red and I look to my left for traffic and see it is clear and then I turn I'm not "assuming" it is clear I'm looking with my eyes to see what are the variables in the situation and see if there is anything that would make me NOT want to do X thing, in this case making the turn. An assumption by definition uses no proof - a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof. Assumptions are bad. Informed decisions that take into account the important relevant factors are not. Looking at items, levels, wave states etc. as you say and calculating the possibilities is NOT assuming. Assuming is another way of saying an uneducated guess. You're purely going based off of emotions aka how you FEEL in the moment.

[@crvg.luciano]

@@Haas888but you’re not assuming anything here.. there is absolutely 0 way they lose that 2v2. And their support is also coming to match theirs in case a fight breaks out, that’s just plain lack of confidence or fear of inting in front of tarzaned since they were already arguing so much

[@oddzie2]

thats true, the problem tarzaned didnt dive into details which he obviously should do

[@ranorimonus4719]

Dantes laughing while Tarzaned molds on the 2v2 mid was priceless.

[@vodly2658]

Watching this live was gold. Funniest stream ive watched in months.

[@TheWayOfTheOtaku]

Neace has the same expression at 1 minute, that I have when i babysit my cousins

[@alexlin7060]

The unraveling of the Dantes Cinematic Universe, featuring Tarzaned, Neace, and villain Jaymo

[@冬甩賓治]

If Zac and Kindred think they would win the 2v2. Why would they back off when the Shyv shows? The fact that both players back off show they know they would lose. And Jaymo the diamond coach insisted he is right❤.

[@zeening]

wait that guys a fuckin coach???? yikes imagine paying a diamond player for one thing, but even more so imagine paying for a coach w takes like that >.

[@bluerum896]

exactly "We don't win 2v2" "What are you accomplishing by stepping out of the bush." "The second I show they back off" The second you show, they back off because they know they lose. His personality is on purpose but it really hurts to watch

[@cezartrancanau3796]

This night will never be forgotten. By far the best stream content I've watched in years. We love you, Jaymo!

[@bragiodinsen4604]

my assessment - priority should be just to get a ward down near dragon and react to the enemy team. shivana is dog water pre 6 and enemy has draven and zac with a tp. forcing dragon will bait them into unwinnable fight but they can always react and come out on top.

[@ryleeevans6211]

i would love more videos like this, like to see that challenger players argue like they are low elo players, relatable

[@NothingButAce]

If league chat was a person

[@LysergicSigma]

holy shit Tarzaned crediting NEACE and neace agreeing with tarzaned in one video is something i never knew would happen

[@kylon1235]

Why does jaymo sound like that recent bronze student talking about the conspiracy theory xD

[@lennyfaec]

not lying, that vod study reminds me of me playing clash with my friends.

[@derbestimmer1148]

Hy Neace! So nice to see you picking this one up. I just wrote another Coach who did a reaction to a Dantes Coaching Session not to go into the direction of being condescending about this stuff. It is such a misbehavior for content creators to build on toxic bashing tactics. The community is validating this stuff far too much. And ppl like Tarzaned got away with it for far too long. These coaches always act like there is one exact play for every situation in League. It is ridiculous. You were the only one so far to keep an open mind and trying to rly cooperate with others to improve concepts. Also the Hindsight Hero behavior is rly dumb. It creates a false image of certain Coaches / Players being the pinnacle of League Knowledge. At the end of the day League is a competitive Team Game with a plethora of variables. There can't be only one way to play it successfully.

[@derbestimmer1148]

The Dragon here is a coin flip. Hands down. It is Ocean. He starts it, he is slowed, they collapse. There are so many situations like that. Especially on pre 6 Shyvana, this is absolutely not a safe play and a scaling champion like Shyv is better off farming the Jungle and get out. Even Dantes says he would not do it on Hecarim. How is pre 6 Shyvana supposed to skirmish this more than Hecarim. You can do the play if you want to limit test and risk it, you don't do the play if you want to play for the safe thing and scale. If he dies there and loses drake and Blue side camps he has lost the game. If you have to go into argueing for seconds to make the play valid it is not a safe play. I feel like this is more like a situation where you guys pick up so much momentum proving one point, you can't look in another direction. Jaymo gets ripped into by this coach here in another vod at first Herald for taking it - the play is much safer, than the dragon play in this clip above: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaS6fJmAhbN8nqs At some point it is more about being right, than doing the right thing.

[@derbestimmer1148]

100% - if in the replay he would have hovered dragon they would have called out tempo loss 100%. And if he would have started or his team would have decided to skirmish and it would have gone south, it would have been his fault too. And the coin flip here, that they all want him to do so badly, is based on Shyv passive. That's 5 Armor (100 Gold) and MR (90 Gold) and drake itself IF the enemy takes it here VS. 3 camps. And the tier 2 boots are not solely valuable for the purpose of surviving Kindred after being slowed by drake. They give him much faster clearing. Not losing Tempo here against kindred is so important.

[@vastnumber]

Yes the randoms in the comment section of a NEACE video definitely know what they are talking about! Good job guys!

[@HamsterPants522]

"There can't be only one way to play it successfully." Well, that's true in the overall sense of an entire match, but in each specific context there is actually an objectively optimal way to play. This is provably true because it's a video game and it operates based on mathematics, so there will always be an objectively efficient answer to every problem.

[@HamsterPants522]

@@derbestimmer1148 "You can do the play if you want to limit test and risk it, you don't do the play if you want to play for the safe thing and scale." Okay but this guy clearly hasn't done enough limit testing. It's clear he doesn't know the limits of his champion, so limit testing actually takes priority as something he _should do_ until some day when he finally knows how to play the character.

[@andrewerath5585]

Wait wait wait wait... after listening to Jaymo's voice, he sounds exactly like that conspiracy theory guy from a couple weeks ago. Even gets angry and argues the same way

[@Popopicos]

I'm here observing carefully all this shit, while 15'mins ago I was dying cuz I was scratching my back while in teamfight

[@adamdecoder1]

wrong or right, these dudes are thinking about 50x more details than I do in an average soloQ game.

[@shxyed2490]

fr

[@diogopocas7943]

They think about a lot of things, but when they are reviewing they add things that benefit their decision and ignore the things that go against it. Imagine you are shyvana and you are checking the replay and notice ur adc and supp both have no mana, then , jaimbo would say "drag call is bad because bot lane has no mana!" , but in reality, no one checks that in game. They do check wave states and keep track of stuff like flashes and opposite jungle pathing

[@vincerafaelesguerra1847]

​@@diogopocas7943I mean do you think it's that hard to check bot lane mana?💀 It's literally either at the bottom right or left of your screen, like wdym no one checks that it's literally so easy to check it

[@something4179]

Conclusion: Low Elo players make mistakes because they do not think throughout the game. High Elo players make mistakes because they are overthinking.

[@ArnoldBayema]

​@@diogopocas7943dude .... We clearly look mana when making this kind of decision.

[@chickenoodle3397]

6:40 I KNOW WHATS RIGHT Hells Kitchen Riff: Beautiful editing

[@JakeAkstins]

The amount of insults thrown despite being right or wrong amazing

[@Cado-101]

This argument live on Dantes' stream was nuts, absolutely great chaotic content. Thanks for the video, cause I didn't see this on stream!

[@wbowe808]

I love seeing vids like this, multiple high ranks with a coach. Breaks down the tiniest macro play

[@something4179]

Thats not a breakdown...thats basically shit talking to one up one another to boost their egos. If these guys were genuine with analysing anything in a mannered way then yes, this could be a very educative and interesting civil debate. But as you can see its passive agression all over the place, egos and emotions clashing while Neace is like the adult/uncle who is supervising the kids arguing.

[@waynequach1898]

@@something4179 as much as tarzaned flames and what not jaymo is constantly over talking and mimicing the guy is like a 10yr old in a 30yr old body

[@walnut5617]

@@waynequach1898 jaymo just got exposed for being a pdf file. Turns out hes a predator and is hardstuck p4

[@Tatomito]

the background intense music makes it so much better lmaoo

[@silveroflegends7635]

I loved this content, bless jaymo with his hurt feelings you handled him like a champ 😂😂 I love to see these collabs! And also rate dantes for bringing you together 🎉

[@Gabescw0123]

I think an argument that was glossed over was Dantes' one. Even if Jaymo doesn't go for the dragon like Tarzaned said and does gromp and wolves, when he places the pink and denies that brush vision he starts clearing the 2 wards, which takes prob around 8 sec to do, time in which graves ends up recalling with the mid prio and cannon bounce while bot couldve moved up and secured a 4v2 or a 4v4 while enemy bot is losing waves. Besides if you have a pink I think its almost never worth it to actually clear the wards, it always takes a lot of time and once u clear them u give vision of where ure going immediately after anyway so its kinda stupid imo, its not worth the 30 gold.

[@renjitsu26]

I hope Neace finds the time to do these more often. 😂

[@luisteixeira8471]

I wanna be a challenger coach to have arguments like these all day long ahahah! Great video

[@sano6588]

Ive never seen such a play like that when shyvanna exited the bush, in years.A soraka with no spells activated would win this 2v2 if they chased graves

[@pierson110]

With that mid play, all he had to do was not show. Let them get close then engage with graves. I'm fucking gold and know that like come on

[@petitcoIibris]

What's most striking about this extract/conversation is the inability of just about everyone involved to have an argumentative discussion. The number of ad hominem attacks is unbelievable, and for people who claim to be at the top of their game, the lack of discernment and failure to put their knowledge into words or to verify and contradict is simply astonishing. Neace is about the least worst when he asks the question "what are you trying to achieve" but what comes out is frankly depressing. So I understand the players, they've just come out of the game, they must still be under tension. But there's still plenty of room for improvement. The best part is the little moment when they try to calculate Shyvanna's income possibilities, which shows pretty well how they think about this kind of moment. The rest is disappointing. Thanks for sharing it, it's nice to see how it's hard, even for good player to come to an agreement on facts. Truly humbling.

[@N3mdraz]

Not every league of legends player is a good debater per se. For alot of young people in early twenties it's hard to express themselves in a group

[@eostoleurdog8351]

Actually the real reason this happened is because this guy was a fake coach and told Dantes he could coach him better than Tarzaned , so obviously Tarzaned would be pissed (even though I he always talks smack but this time he had one more reason to do so) , the guy would make up excuses for everything and if you check out the whole livestream you will see how obvious it is that he is lying, every coach I saw comment on this guy was furious because they felt like their job was being made fun off and he was spreading so much misinformation which overall could confuse people

[@flipperflapper6682]

@@eostoleurdog8351 Tarzanned is the one who make bad arguments with lots of ad hominem, name calling, dismissive of points, and just plain insults. He mostly just insult the other guy or agree with Neace here.

[@rpstephen]

The shyvane being stubborn as a mule doesn't help either, he just wanted to win the argument so bad that he strayed away from logic in my opinion

[@petitcoIibris]

@@eostoleurdog8351 when you say "fake coach" was he actually selling coaching ?

[@OnkyoGrady]

I am endlessly entertained. The agro hyper competitive thing for real reminds me of college.

[@UnityComplexx]

Haha forreal reminds me of hanging with the gifted athletic kids

[@bubazzubaz3841]

people forget that there is more than 1 solution in a game.

[@xCharLiiie]

the content on this channel is addicting AS FUCK. first the conspiracy theory guy and now this

[@awwbelt1330]

Bruh this dude SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSPIRACY GUY. Damn at first I was convinced it was the same person trolling everyone.

[@mysticflow467]

@@awwbelt1330 kind of true, does sound/act a bit like him, zero "mhm' yep"'s though

[@theinvader5686]

i had a stroke watching the conspiracy theory guy, literally

[@awwbelt1330]

@@theinvader5686 same my guy. The more I watch of this guy (part 1 and 2, one with neace, one with eagz) the more I am convinced he's the conspiracy guy. Sounds just like him and refused to show his rank after like 3 hours of tarzaned berating him for it. The old "I can't find my account I can't remember what one it was" excuse. Must be the same guy this dude clearly is low elo

[@marcusmeins1839]

He is the same guy XD

[@NepahelmShadow]

Although there is alot of what sounds like arguing, seeing this is really good when you get to see multiple mindsets of high level play.

[@SoulHydron]

I'm starting to doubt Jaymos claim of being high level as he provided fake accounts that weren't his, pretty much proven 100% by the owners, and they even found a Jaymo55 account in gold lol

[@arthurhellstrom5515]

oh man, soul fighter and naafiri coming soon and this banger content. This summer is gold!

[@b-spiral8314]

I'm loving the music and cuts like this is a ghost hunters feature

[@Cookiemunster779]

They should’ve cut to personal interviews where each person could talk about what they took exception to 😂😂 “I can’t believe he said that!”

[@user-qb4on2qm7z]

Bro neace has taught me so much about this gane its insane. I finally get what im supposed to do and it doesnt feel like im aimless.

[@HeremHD]

this call is actually hilarious lol. The music playing in the background as they dive into their mental analysis killed me XD

[@grimes9099]

i love how this video is edited like a kitchen nightmares confrontation 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@MeatDucky]

playing with tarzaned off role on your team is pain. imagine having to listen to him in disc aswell, him judging your every decision and forcing plays. Poor guy gets ripped apart for clearing gromp and heading topside, with complete vision control by the enemy team of dragon. Hes got a good point about kindred slow + ocean slow collapse

[@Kizinky]

the only reason zaned was judging him to begin with was because that jungler said he sas a far better jungler and teacher than he was. so the fight was on at that moment. then they decided to settle it in the rift, but got matched on the same team. thats why he was being judged. not to mention before any of this happened zaned exposed jaymo that the challenger accounts jaymo lied and said were his came forward and said they werent and that they were their own. so its moreso already knowing that the guy was a fraud but just hammering it home with the gameplay and dogpiling. not to mention after this they finally matched against each other and it was not even close how bad the jgl gap was. but props to jaymo lol he was a nobody and now he everyone knows his name

[@chiddiru6114]

The entire point that is getting made is by doing gromp/ wolves you allow the kindred to do what ever she wants and lose nothing. The concept here is, show at dragon so their bot/ mid/ jungle all have something to lose and you can simply walk away. Bot comes up they lose exp/ gold from wave crashing, same with mid, kindred possibly loses top mark on crab, this is all achieved simply by showing, if they dont react and come to the dragon you take it, therefore you are in an unlosable situation. you will always gain from this.

[@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n]

@@chiddiru6114 Exactly, so now you potentially have 2 lanes with 3 people spiking 6 or good recall timers with more gold spent, compared to the enemy. Which again gives prio and a potential skirmish/drake for shyv if they couldn't the first time around.

[@roe4822]

Not really. The whole point was that his team has prio, and the kindred had a mark on top scuttle. So he should have gone drag so that kindred(who has 0 marks) has to choose between the mark, or the drag. If he chooses the drag then shyvana backs off then takes crab, if he chooses mark then its a free drag. But instead he decided to do it way to late, and ends up giving both.

[@YuYuYuna_]

I mean I agree about how Tarzaned approaches people about league isn't helpful or productive but at the same time, he was right in this case. Go drag from spawn because your mid is about to crash a wave and your bot lane is pushing out so they will have first move. Starting drag there is smart. Is it risky? Technically sure but it's not an uncalculated risk. You are playing around the fact you have a stacked wave mid and bot that are about to crash and you will be forcing the enemy team to make a decision: Do we A) come to drag and drop the 2-ish waves at tower in both mid and bot or B) take the farm at tower and concede drag because the enemy team has first move in both mid and bot. If they come to drag you just peel away and do gromp and now the enemy mid and bot just lost a bunch of exp and gold for rotating in hopes that you commit and there's a fight that would get them kills aka exp and gold that would make up for what they are losing at tower.

[@Enocia]

The what ifs in this argument~ Hilarious.

[@FastSticks]

The most insane thing of this .. I just commented on Dantes last video saying “we need 200iq + Tarz + Neace” 😂

[@sacramento60]

Would be really cool if you turned this into a side series. People come to you with disputes and Judge Neace rules who is correct.

[@Tomas-zc4nk]

Half of league creators came to this convo

[@rasic7041]

after watching this video you can realize how complex this game is

[@ShadowUCK]

yea its harder then it looks the highest I've ever been is plat 3 in season 9 when I was spamming games one tricking. now I'm perma silver

[@MillenniumEarl014]

Except it isn't. It is just a bunch of old people overthinking a 50/50 situation.

[@dxtr0yerjr947]

dantes jus quietly laughing in the backround lol

[@morninstar_lucifer]

I would have never expected this crossover lmaooo dantes

[@gabagoof]

12:16 can someone explain this bit to me

[@chrislombardo740]

This was actually really really interesting content. Thanks NEACE !!

[@BlueFireDudester]

dantes the only content creator to not give into the cancel culture and hate neace for no reason respect.

[@Tabnito]

it's not for no reason, and it's not cancel culture.

[@mysticflow467]

@@Tabnito agreed

[@kallistoagg7845]

@@Tabnito Whats the beef with neace?

[@BlueFireDudester]

@@Tabnito bark more.

[@SoulHydron]

@@kallistoagg7845 I don't think they have beef with each other, part of prob how he got Neace to join the call in the first place. Some people just don't like Neace for reason, most of which are dumb reasons. But Dantes and Neace I think are cool, even have made videos together in past

[@hamzailarzeg]

This is the best way to learn league. Through debates like this. If you can implement this style and make it like a series where you pick apart positions like in chess it would be great.

[@mrmeow89]

This was peak content man. Hell's Kitchen SFX. Great work dude.

[@bristow4784]

14:30 the stealth movie scene mission music got me dead x.x

[@chickenoodle3397]

Damn, they have everybody in on this, Neace, Karasmai, Tarzaned, Dantes, Coach Eagz, Ls and Jaymo this is such an entertaining video lmao

[@markro1049]

they got midbeast and veigarv2 too

[@JaytheEternal]

Happy to see my boy neace included with other lol content creators. Stop neace hate! My nigga cool af and play league great 👍

[@urosstojkoski5188]

He could have been right on the dragon call but the mid call was wrong by him walking out the bush and then not even pushing mid wave by tanking kindred zac damage

[@meggsgg]

using "ramranched" was hilarious lol

[@matejatadic1274]

You know it's serious when they have to call in the Neace

[@scythe2996]

This was the most comedic thing I've ever seen

[@Lukasblade2]

The royalty free drama sound effects tho

[@LysergicSigma]

please more neace and tarzaned content PLEASE ill pay good money for it

[@MrSeppei]

4:19 This is weird. Like they have 4 of the worst champions in their team (in this patch). Me as a jungler will expect to lose every lane. It can either snowball out of control and its gg in 15 minutes or I can get some kills and maybe try to carry. Really just dodge the game.... I would either neglect farm and go mid or, more likely, do gromp without smite and then go bot or mid. At 4:19 I dont see the enemy bot lane, so why would I gank that? They are probably at dragon, my jungle is warded , I just die if I walk down there or get zoned away... after all my bot is pushed in just like my mid.... so no help expected from there. So after gromp I can lane gank bot, if they show up, if not I can go mid or farm wolfes.

[@scadooshy5161]

I could watch content like this all the time.

[@YuYuYuna_]

That has to be the most NA argument ever. Even if one side is objectively wrong, because he's from NA he will 10/10 times choose to die on that hill for the sake of not backing down and admitting he was wrong.

[@rpstephen]

Racional thinking is scared of NA at this point. It's history repeating itself with that Nubrac guy defending is "roaming teemo support" controversy back in the day

[@Nora-tl5lg]

This is so funny because they are nerding out for 15 mins about a single desicion I love it

[@dinero1023]

Challenger player " you don't understand the game" this is by far the most intense 2 min play ever.

[@TheDipdoo]

Holy moly, Jaymo’s the entire circus.

[@dannymerov]

this is fkn hilarious xD im used to silvers and gold arguing about who understands most. people who actually know and actually make sense is awesome xD

[@MaximumSpice]

Its crazy how this how challengers look at their own vods and discuss them, so weird to someone who only ever solo q

[@PapaTangoYankee]

A lot of the issues come from the fact that he's playing Shyvana, lol. If they go pressure the drake, he get's kited into oblivion by the enemy team comp, especially without ghost.

[@denymj5591]

I watched this live and each time i see this i start crying when he says “wheres their bott lane” and neace just gets hella confused

[@Jaime-eg4eb]

I for one can't see why they say the league community is toxic.

[@Nexene]

this is great content XD. I love how passionate everyone is lmao

[@anteiku0027]

@Neace and @MoNipple - Coach Eagz commented in his most recent video on this Jaymo coaching debacle that he would be interested in collabing and coaching you in the jungle (his best role) would you ever reach out to him and create content like this as you have done with Dantes?! Would love to see more positive collaborative work from you in the LoL community. Keep up the great work !

[@NEACE]

no disrespect intended, but unless this particular person actively plays in kr I am not really interested. It does not really play the same and usually don't provide much useful input.

[@casualmanticore2758]

I am way too dumb to understand like half of the discussion But I am invested 😂