Why are Drake and Kendrick Lamar beefing? A thorough deep dive into 10 years of acrimony

[@NeidaTeresa]

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[@eldrickemc4602]

As a man I'm offended that you said we don't exist 😞. Also not every man is a misogynistic incel. I was raised by a single mother, and my grandmother along with my little sister, my family pretty much only consists of women except for me and my brother. In therapy I recently learned that most of my art usually depicts strong black women, all my favorite superheroes are women, because that's all I was exposed to as a child. I didn't take offense. I just wanted to share a story with you. Love you

[@BluEx22329]

​@eldrickemc4602 she doesn't care, she got her clicks. Nobody only cares about men unless you pay them to fake care

[@ilikesmosh101]

For me the “real women” Kendrick is talking about was alluding to Drake not going for women at all but kids, and also I took it as a “any woman that fw u is not a girls girl” because he also said if you are listening to Drake you are selling out your sisters, so to me it was talking about the women (like Nikki Minaj) who enable abusers like him and support them publicly over the women he attacks

[@meoutthispiece9015]

Perfect

[@ripwednesdayadams]

Thank you, this made me look at everything in a different way. Before, I was put off by the jarring misogyny from Kendrick and thought it undercut his message a bit. When viewed through this lens, it makes sense.

[@esme_melody]

i hope so, bc that line rly rubbed me the wrong way, even though i like kendrick

[@pilaread]

I think so too because Kendrick has a trans uncle.

[@Iffmeister]

The "real women" bar is a bar about minors imo, he's saying they are underage girls who think they are mature

[@esmooth919]

I also got from that bar that he's into women who undergo mad plastic surgery in order to look like his preferred type, that is, slim yet voluptuous. Remember, besides Rihanna, one of his biggest crushes was Nicki Minaj

[@ayandandlovu1292]

@esmooth919 for me I was thinking plastic surgery girls, girls that sleep around and Trans women.

[@riss3690]

@@esmooth919 exactly. Drake is known for "dating" women with exaggerated enhanced features. Specifically women who have a manufactured Venus Hot and Tot appearance which adds to the bar where Kendrick talked about Drake fetishizing Black women with a nempho fetish.

[@petesematary]

Could also mean "real" like "honest"

[@sunnydayz8747]

No actually he was talking about women with no morals ,and that sleep around different men basically he is referring to hoes, thats why he mentioned Sexxy Red. And no this is not a double entendre and if it is Kenny is just now finding out because of your comment because when he wrote it this was not in his mind.

[@caecandy]

I think as the rap beef went on, it got steadily clearer that "real women" was a reference to minors. He may have some misogyny issues, but it's clear what he thinks of Drake.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

I don't think it's only minors

[@johnathanlewis3155]

@@BeautifulEarthJa yes. Transwomen

[@tehronmoment1367]

@johnathanlewis3155 no he's talking about the kind of women drake is with women with no morals or integrity ect. Real women wouldn't date drake because drake is immature

[@johnathanlewis3155]

@@tehronmoment1367 no. He’s talking about transwomen. Pusha T and Kendrick BOTH talked about his sexuality and hinted at this “Cut the heads off the snakes” “Chop the TOPS off the coups” “Peel it back layer by layer” (referencing bottom surgery) “Cut the snakes out the grass” “…. Confuse themselves with “real” women” “BEING A BEARD fit you better” (Google what a beard is) “I don’t even think you like women” “The OTHER VAGINAL OPTION”

[@johnathanlewis3155]

@@tehronmoment1367 no. He’s talking about transwomen. Pusha T and Kendrick BOTH talked about his sexuality and hinted at this “Cut the heads off the snakes” “Chop the TOPS off the coups” “Peel it back layer by layer” (referencing bottom surgery) “Cut the snakes out the grass” “…. Confuse themselves with “real” women” “BEING A BEARD fit you better” (Google what a beard is) “I don’t even think you like women” “The OTHER VAGINAL OPTION”

[@AllTheArtsy]

2:02:38 this was also my kneejerk reaction like, "Kendrick, since when did you know this? why are you only saying this now? why havent you gone to anyone with this information?" and then i remember that the police is not a just, fair, efficient or kind institution, especially to Black people. i remember that s*x crimes are almost never investigated. that s*x offenders are almost never punished unless the evidence is so totally obvious, damning and overwhelming. why would a dude from Compton ever rat out to the authorities? if all he has is anecdotal evidence, who would believe him? Drake is a cash cow with huge monetary backing and connections. how is Kendrick supposed to feel totally safe anout himself, his friends and fanily, being safe if he actually tried to do anything else but whistleblow, kind of, on a diss song, in the biggest platform he has, when all eyes were on him, in an effort to win a rap beef and claim GOAT status sure, but maybe also to forever alter the way people look at and see Drake?

[@mooreflava]

Great analysis of the pedo situation. As a SA survivor the perpetrator almost always get away with it. Even when there's proof especially if they have money and status and when they don't they get so little time in jail it's senseless to even put yourself through the drama and embarrassment. So Kendrick in this case I believe did the right thing by using his platform to oust drake and by extension the industry

[@mashonem]

You spit a whole lot of facts here. Court of public opinion isn’t always just, but it’s *far* more prompt that the justice system

[@AllTheArtsy]

the "pacify them" bar is actually diabolical because it, too, hints at Drake's creep behavior towards young women

[@geovanniemiles7178]

"Take care" is majority weeknd's work lol and it's not considered a rap or hip-hop classic due to it not being a traditional hip hop project. It's more a pop or R&B classic.

[@maggiedk]

I've seen a lot of people describe it as an R&B classic too, which makes sense with The Weeknd's influence.

[@AllTheArtsy]

coming from Dot, this was definitely a dig at The Weeknd writing like 5 of the songs (Drake basically took them after Abel refused to sign to OVO)

[@synbeast0241]

I was coming to say tht too, it’s a can of worms, tarnishing the “classic” title. Tbh it could go down in history & probably does for the actual art & mind(s) behind it as an infamous album. Everything great abt it is not Drake nor his (participation in) exploitation of Blk artists w/ less privilege & recognition as him & going on to exacerbate tht fact (allegedly🥸)

[@geovanniemiles7178]

The hate thing from euphoria is from an old clip with DMX on the breakfast club 😂😂😂

[@ripwednesdayadams]

That video was so damn funny. I’m only sad he wasn’t around for this.

[@eilishhelder9840]

@@ripwednesdayadams X would've love to see all this go down. Let's imagine him smiling up there when this unfolded as it did😌

[@Fluer-de-Lis]

1:11:17 I disagree, respectfully. Drake has, for a long time, ran through and tried to collect American black women and claim them as conquests. Then when they move on to another guy, he’s spiteful and will continue to call them out in his songs and drag their men for dating his “leftovers”. I can name a few net famous women and celebrity women with whom He’s been rumored to have dated and then he talks crap about them when they don’t stay single forever after being with him, he’s bitter. I don’t think he likes women either. I’ve been saying this for over ten years. I think he’s jealous of black women. I think they get the attention and sometimes respect from black men that he craves.

[@haniyyahn]

I like your analysis. Deep and twisted though if true. Like Kendrick said - F*ck a rap battle. It's a lifelong batte with yourself.

[@_hi_pwr]

Copy and paste again ​@@haniyyahn

[@_hi_pwr]

When I see you stand by Sexyy Red, I believe you see two bad bitches

[@loverboymadita7811]

This is exactly what I was thinking! I thought it was a way of saying "he doesn't like women, he likes getting laid".

[@ezmokonnen]

i know atleast three women that have come out and said that drake paid them for sexual favors & all of them have one thing in common: theyre tall darkskinned women with either body modifications or naturally ample features… Drake has a fetish for that type of woman & goes after his “trophys” publicly like Rihanna & Nicki..

[@route7635]

I keep my mouth shut about Drake's whole culture vulture thing typically as someone who is. Not Black, but honestly, that's what he decided to do with queer aesthetics and whatnot while also still being homophobic. He uses things like nail polish, the bows and duck lips to essentially paint himself in a "safer" light, using some forms of typically feminine aesthetics to soften his own aesthetic and keep him in that nice, sensitive guy lane while also becoming increasingly misogynistic and homophobic in his actual music and actions. He literally just borrows from queer culture to make himself appear as less of a threat, as well as making himself marketable to a wider audience, while also still hating us. I'm not gonna pretend Kendrick is some perfect queer ally or whatever because he's still a straight man in his 30s (the sheer number of times he dropped the f slur in Auntie Diaries has always seemed excessive and made it feel less potent) but at the very least we can watch him growing and trying to unlearn some of these bigoted beliefs that are so baked into society while we simultaneously watch Drake actively regressing and simply appropriating queer aesthetics and visuals while simultaneously acting in ways that are extremely homophobic, such as the whole situation with ILoveMakonnen. Also, just a side note, but while i enjoy plenty of J. Cole's music... He isn't even the best rapper in Dreamville, dude was smart to bow out of this one lmao

[@asmodeuslol7904]

About the auntie diaries song and Kendricks f bombs I just gotta say, as a trans queer woman, the way he used them was justified. He used slurs, dead names and the wrong pronouns to tell a story, his story coming to terms with his own homophobia and transphobia. I felt seen by that song, and I think it's a near perfect introduction and invitation to examine the subconscious biases we hold

[@route7635]

@@asmodeuslol7904 yeah, I'm not gonna say people can't have their own feelings about that! I'm a bi trans man, so that was just my own experience, but I absolutely think the song was really good and showed a lot of growth and a look into queer issues that you won't see from like. Any other mainstream rap artists. It's a hugely impactful song, I just personally felt some discomfort with how much that word was used in it.

[@asmodeuslol7904]

@@route7635 absolutely fair king, but I think that uncomfortable feeling is intentional to really deliver the gut punch that is the scene in church.

[@MzJamaicanBeauty12]

The hair clips were Drake poorly copying Smino and possibly ASAP Rocky not the queer community. I see your point on the rest

[@marcusgomez5056]

@@route7635 you're correct. Not sure if you're talkin about J.I.D. but I feel him and Kendrick are at the top. Drake was never there and never respected or accepted for good reason. Good thing Q called J up since he was too oblivious to realize that Kendrick and everyone else has had enough of Drake and love seeing him brought down many pegs. Drake will never live this down.

[@taylorsmith5990]

This isn't like a critique but like I feel like people go out of their way to misinterpret the sexy red lines about him not liking women, it's less about misogyny and more about the fact that Drake is one of those kinds of men who likes to have sex with women he likes to possess women he likes the statue that comes with being with the women that he values, but he doesn't actually LIKE fully realized women who would hold him accountable for his behavior etc etc aka he sees those women as actual competition, it's why he's so flagrantly about talking about people like Rihanna and Serena at random on his projects

[@janine7767]

I agree with you... Drake has this thing about possession. Shaping women the way he wants. So, to me, it makes sense he likes younger women easier to manipulate.

[@haniyyahn]

And why he may prefer teen girls (see the lyrics of Teenage Fever). These are people with women's bodies who are less demanding and shrewd than grown women and more worshipful and easily manipulated (as an older, rich, established adult he's always in the power position with them - the same reason why these relationships are inappropriate must make them seductive) - great for someone like him.

[@babyharoro]

I also saw it as saying that drake doesn't value women as people -- rather as objects -- and only seeks/values male validation, which the girlies would be competition for

[@EANDM71]

This is what I always took that line to mean: he uses women only for his sexual pleasure or to groom young girls, but he really doesn’t like women. Has nothing to do with claims of being gay or Kendrick being a transphobe. There are many men who don’t like women and hate the fact that they need women to have sex with and procreate with. I think there are men who hate that they are attracted to women and are jealous of women. I think Drake is jealous of women at the same time. This is not uncommon.

[@jaybee4118]

That’s not a form of misogyny?

[@ascontralto]

As someone who pays 0% deliberate attention to any celebrity culture and can barely remember band/artist names, i swear i still heard the rumors of Drake being a creep and texting young girls 5+ years ago. Like one of those murmered open secret things where there's no definitive proof of actual crimes, but people were HARD side-eyeing some of his behaviors. So when all this came out i was less shocked by the content, but how HARD kendrick went on saying it

[@ascontralto]

Finished the video (i was like 5/6ths through), saw you brought up this kinda stuff lol oop

[@Inthepotwithdiogenes]

I remember that as well, you are absolutely correct. He got moderate shit for texting girls, particularly millie bobbie brown, iirc. I remember being aware that drake was weird with girls (not women, but at the time I was younger than the girls he was messing with so I saw them as more "adult" than me) around/just before the 2010s, but being a bit too young to dissect the feeling enough. We can say "drake kissed a 17 year old on stage" but that doesn't go into the things he said, the way he sexualized her *specifically* for being underage. Dude said it straight up out loud on stage without a shred of shame.

[@rahbeeuh]

​​@@Inthepotwithdiogenesthe young lady even made an Instagram story about it "being nothin' then and nothin' now". I'd be inclined to believe her if it weren't a pattern of behavior for Aubs to do that AND if she weren't employed at the same record label Drake's under (UMG). Kendrick pointed out "He's signed to a n---- who signed to a n---- who says he's signed to that n----" 😂

[@flacohernandez4380]

@@ascontralto There are videos on KZbin that were made months and years ago before this beef talking about Drake's behavior with women.

[@demitasse22]

@@ascontralto agreeee. I’ve been waiting for thesss

[@geovanniemiles7178]

Joel Osteen the pastor guy wasn't accident. Its alleged that he doesn't writes his sermon ie drake and his ghost writers

[@maggiedk]

Also his voice has been mimicked a lot using AI, plus he's very widely regarded as a fraud who doesn't believe in the things he says but only does it for money. I definitely don't think it was an accident either lol

[@kentuckyroutezero]

yeah, same. I’m not saying Kendrick can’t make mistakes or that he’s perfect, but I see way too many people thinking it’s a mistake. I’ve know Joel Osteen is a piece of holier than thou sh*t who lied through his teeth and grifted his audience since I was a teenager.

[@NeidaTeresa]

Oh I didn't know this!!

[@TheKidd730]

Also his church has had allegations of child endangerment

[@undergroundsoul94]

i took that as a jab at drake's persona. joel osteen is someone who doesn't talk the talk when it comes to his purported christian values. drake is the same way with culture.

[@maggiedk]

I was a huge fan of Drake until I found out what a creep he is a few years ago, I adore Megan Thee Stallion, and as a hip hop fan I obviously recognize how great Kendrick is, so suffice to say I've been hyperfixated on this whole situation since it started. I'm so ready for this lol Also not enough people have been giving Megan credit for her influence on this beef, thank you!!!

[@fizzychizzy]

Hearing about your father crying when he watched documentaries about slavery reminded me of my mom. My parents are Nigerian but I was born in the US, surrounded by Black Americans culture, essentially immersed in it. My mom CRIED when we watched Eyes on the Prize, this long documentary regarding Black American history in the US. It is INSANE to use a term like "rapping like you are trying to get the slaves free" as a pejorative. And I get where and why he was making the joke, BUT in this battle when someone is coming at you because of culture, it is crazy to say that line. CRAZY.

[@keke_LunarGemini]

I enjoyed your video, but I don't think that KDot was being homophobic when he said that Drake was "popping ass" with women. As you previously mentioned, Drake seems to enjoy dissing women or using women to get at other rappers. So I think Kendrick was saying that Drake doesn't like, Aka defend/protect women, but see them as competition.

[@esmooth919]

51:39 Drake was trying to say that Kendrick's record label forced him, a pro black *_hip hop_* artist, to work with pop artists in order to make money for the label. But where this falls flat for Drake is, Kendrick is known to be a multifaceted musician, and you shouldn't try to put him in a box

[@KaylaMarie_]

Not being stereotypically masculine doesn’t mean you’re gay. And something I noticed about Drake watching his interviews is he kinda changes his personality, voice, accent, and general behavior based in who is interviewing him. I remember watching his interview with Angie Martinez about the control verse and the language he used made me think he was speaking the way women tend to. He sounded very vulnerable and betrayed And then he talked about the same topic with elliot wilson and he sounded like a dude from nyc - arrogant and nonchalant 😂 Anyway that was what I think Kendrick was getting at. He absorbs the people around him - even the woman he hates

[@GodScrewface]

3:04:35 I think that’s kinda messed up because if Whitney comes out and says that yes he put his hands on me, everyone will 100% believe her. But if she says no he never put his hands on me, people will Mother I Sober her. Family Matters, they accused my fiancé "Did he beat you Whitney?" Never lied, but no one believed me when I said "He didn't"

[@lwitte8857]

This is a really good point. I also really didn’t like a lot of the things he mentioned about Whitney. Being the victim of domestic violence shouldn’t be considered a diss but cheating and lying about who fathered your children is. Drake attacked her character and morals in a way that I consider pretty inappropriate for someone who isn’t actually in this rap beef.

[@esmooth919]

2:51:55 I definitely have to bring this up, if someone else hasn't already: This is the exact same mistake that Drake made in his beef with Pusha T! I was initially upset with Pusha T for outing Drake's child during the beef, because keep private things private; But back then, I wasn't paying that much attention because I don't keep up with these mofos like that, so I didn't know that Drake had previously named dropped Pusha T's wife beforehand. So yeah, he made the same mistake twice, and lost two consecutive rap battles as a result of this. And now he's got a Scarlet letter on his back... And that letter is P. And the worst part about all of this is: Kendrick *_warned_* Drake not to go there! And what did he do???

[@eilishhelder9840]

@esmooth919 Exactly, he did the same thing when Wayne tried to tell him 'You need to stay yourself, stay who you are' which, in hindsight, is difficult for someone who's actively putting up an act for most of his music career. If not the entirety of it😅

[@RebelWithoutABoss]

I don't get her point about possessiveness of women in some of these instances. If someone who's supposed to be your friend, or even a close work partner has an affair with someone you're dating (especially if they're someone you might actually have some feelings for) of course you'll be angry, because it's a violation of trust and a sign that they have no respect for you as a person to go behind your back and betray you. Now if it's just some person you're having sex with, that's different, rappers are known for all being with the same women.

[@BluEx22329]

Its white washed black feminist talking point. They dont call women entitled or materialistic or misandrist for trying to guilt trio rich men into marrying them just because lol

[@bluchismoon]

Drake seems to specifically go after his buddies' girls while he's friends with them, though.

[@GiovanniRacine-fu7rt]

Great video! I agree with most of what you were saying throughout the video but I have to comment on something in the “meet the grahams” part. The current Diddy situation kind of answers why it’s so difficult to expose the weirdos. Imagine going to report a crime. And they just throw away any evidence you may have because “Diddy” has that police station on payroll. Now you made a powerful enemy in vain. And you don’t only fear for your life but your family’s life. As a man I fear more for my family’s safety than my own.

[@MyouMoorlord]

I think a LOT of people forget that Take Care is half the Weeknd songs. Like you can easily say that that's the Weeknds album. So Drake doesn't really have a classic if that the album everyone points to as his classic.

[@geovanniemiles7178]

The Taylor swift thing is about Taylor being the biggest star currently, and no one tends to put out music around the time when she drops, especially her label mates, which Kendrick is. Drake dropped, "Taylor made" the same day Taylor dropped her album to troll Ken stating he couldn't drop due to her, so he has to wait the following week.

[@AllTheArtsy]

Taylor is not strictly "labelmates" with Kendrick. Kendrick has his own creative agency (not just a music label), pgLang, but his music is directly licensed to Interscope. both Taylor and Drake are under Republic Records. but both Interscope and Republic are under UMG 😅

[@Dozav7]

@@AllTheArtsy And from what I understand, Lucian Grainge is UMG and in one of Kendrick’s songs, he sings about Lucy and not in a flattering light. It’s scary that Lucian has enough power on both sides to manipulate this beef and even public perception through what gets more air play.

[@AllTheArtsy]

@@Dozav7 thats not really scary so much as it is expected. there's really only a few very rich people who own and control most corporations and much of capitalism is illusion of choice also Lucy is Lucifer, although i suppose you can transpose a music exec with a close enough name there too

[@EANDM71]

@@Dozav7It’s also a double entendre: Lucy = Lucifer.

[@esmooth919]

2:46:49 You are not the first person to say this. And this is ultimately why Kenny's accusations against Drake are far more believable than The latter's against the former. Couple that with the fact that there is tangible evidence of Drake being a weirdo that dates back almost two decades.

[@LadyJenevia]

Leaving a comment for the algo because you deserve the engagement for all of your labour! 🍿📝

[@NeidaTeresa]

Thank you so much!! 🤗

[@RebelWithoutABoss]

Also, the "real woman" line can also just refer to those women not having many morals, same as saying someone's not a real man for clout chasing, sycophantic behavior, having little to no morals as to what you'd do for those things, not having a sense of loyalty, integrity, dishonesty and these things are often associated with the hanger-ons in the hip hop space whether male or female, in general, all around trash people. Remember, he's calling Drake's manhood into question as well, not just because of his supposed effeminate behavior, but also taking sort cuts through life as explained in the first verse of Meet the Grahams when he's telling Adonis to be a better man than his father. .

[@adellturner3846]

I can even say the ‘real women’ were about younger girls who think they are grown bc they have a grown 30+ year old man on their roster. I.E. him texting a 13 year old Millie, and quite a few 16 year olds, Billie eilish, The Weeknd’s ex etc. clearing out a place to eat with them and saying how much he misses them. I genuinely was confused about the transphobic part tbh

[@longlivebeans]

A couple months back I remember thinking to myself “Aubrey needs to stay out of women’s business before one of these men get him” AND THEN THE BOOGEYMAN POPPED OUT! See if he hadn’t been so distracted coming up with all those weird incel bars, he might’ve seen Kendrick coming.

[@EayuProuxm]

6:50 - 7:20 I'm glad I wasn't the only one ABSOLUTELY BAFFLED by the sudden appearance of all these Tory Lanez fans.

[@chrishills24]

You're the first channel i seen actually bring up Megan thee Stallion!! Thank you!!

[@chatoyantsfriend]

"I don't stan men" *instantly subscribes*

[@NeidaTeresa]

LMAO Welcome to the party there's plenty more where that came from 😂

[@biancaprimo4168]

the moment she said that I knew I was in the right place

[@rahbeeuh]

I haven't even gotten to that part but your comment lets me know I'm in the right place.

[@DeityReign]

What is "the right place" if i may ask?

[@rahbeeuh]

@@DeityReign a place of solidarity

[@treyvonjenkins7377]

I don’t think at any point of drakes career he shouldve been compared to the likes of biggie or Tupac as the best rapper 😂 he’s the biggest ARTIST but not rapper

[@velvethunder]

Artist is too much of a compliment. He's a pop/rap singer. He makes mainstream easily palatable content. Not music.

[@EayuProuxm]

Correction: He's the bigger ENTERTAINER, definitely not the bigger artist or rapper

[@psyolytesaille]

Or as he likes to do, MJ. I'm glad he never surpassed it, only matched. Granted he has the edge of technology. People had to physically go out and buy for MJ back then so imo (biased as hell xD) isn't on the same level.

[@nimittkhare3201]

i agree with you on everything in this video but men getting upset when their gf sleeps with someone else is not "misogynistic" their feelings are extremely valid because cheating is a character flaw and wrong no matter what gender does it it has nothing to do with ownership of women thats a wild take also drake lied about the dave free shit because kendrick kids look just like him

[@NeidaTeresa]

No I totally get what you’re saying! I think I meant it more like guys who have never spoken to a girl or have no real relationship with her outside of a few hookups and claim her as “theirs” like it’s breaking bro code for a woman you decided you didn’t like that much to go out with one of your friends. I agree I feel like a full girlfriend or even something with feelings involved is a violation

[@nimittkhare3201]

@@NeidaTeresa yeah now i understand your point if there is no real relationship there is no need to police what these women do

[@_NoHandle_]

It's believed Drake uses the artists he signs to his OVO label as his personal ghostwriters. His label is jokingly called "The Sweatshop" as a way of alluding that Drake has his artists working on his music instead of focusing on their own. This is likely the main reason The Weeknd refused to sign to OVO, especially since The Weeknd has stated that half of the songs from his first album were given to Drake for "Take Care."

[@esmooth919]

Whitney technically DID deny Drake's allegations via a story on IG, but it's gone now

[@osobaw1nternec1e45]

Can I have a link or Pic or ss or something? Genuinely asking

[@AllTheArtsy]

JCole was not counting Section 80. by "put people to sleep" he means TPAB which is a WILD take

[@haniyyahn]

Not Like Us: My understanding is that North Side is very suburban vs. Atlanta proper where you have tougher neighbourhoods. So, it's saying that he's saying that Drake would be a fit for Northside. The 2Chains line is a reference to one of his tracks that has lie in the name. I'm not a fan, so I don't remember, but it is a direct reference. There is no way Drake leaked because of his responses and their sequence. Someone who has manipulated the situation would have moved differently and not been caught out so often. For me, Drake starting off with his white Mom saying Maybe you shouldn't say ___ so much this time and then proceeding to assault us with it every second word. The SA jabs were horrific. I also watch SVU despite it being copaganda.

[@dueceiswi7d]

As long as were aware its ok to enjoy certain copanganda

[@haniyyahn]

@@dueceiswi7d Yes, I think SVU is tricky. I was reflecting the other day that it's done a good job of getting viewers (its audience is huge) to consider consent, LGBTQ+ issues, child SA, domestic violence and intimate partner violence, trafficking, s*x work, various kinds of SA...really created space for a lot of the topics to be discussed. So while it's wrapped up on a carceral perspective and an overall view of the legal system that is sometimes critical but not pushing reform, the positive views of the police, etc (though in recent years there has been discussion in the show of the internal police isms - but again no reform or overhaul viewpoints. Yet, I watch SVU a lot.

[@eilishhelder9840]

@haniyyahn That's true, it's No Lie by 2 Chainz featuring Drake

[@sukimarmelaide4030]

Just subbed even though I have heard every single video on this subject, but your perspective is more aligned with mine even though I am outside the culture, because you are sensitive to other groups and your own and I appreciate it so much; also, other than one female talking only about Drake and his predilections, all the other videos were made by men and all shared almost the exact same perspectives. I really respect your positions, and your absolutely refreshing p.o.v. Thank you for spending the time doing this for a subject I find myself endlessly fascinated with

[@Effexxor]

THREE HOURS?! YES PLEASE

[@NeidaTeresa]

🙋‍♀🙋‍♀🙋‍♀

[@Dozav7]

For real. This is incredible!

[@ace_xae]

i dont think kendrick is a hotep lmaoo i think it's a huge misconception about him

[@tchew2545]

I don’t either. He’s aware of the culture and his environment- the good AND the bad… and calls the bad out, even when it means calling himself out (see Mr. Morale..) Kendrick makes people think and a lot of people don’t go to music for this, they want to escape not immerse🤷🏽‍♀️

[@BluEx22329]

​@@tchew2545her friends white. Any proud black man is a "hotep" which that words actually just means "hello" feminists hijacked the word an turned into something else in order to talk bad about black men. Kinda lome how whyt ppl hijacked "woke" an turned into something else

[@AllTheArtsy]

the issue is in DAMN. he says "dont call me black or white" and seemingly calls himself a Black Israelite. but if you go through the album, thats the influence of his cousin to him. and also his "respect ourselves" comment -- but that also makes sense if you listen to XXX. in DAMN. and Blacker the Berry that his context in saying that was misconstrued... but also, he's kinda hotep-ish with all the Ghana shenanigans... but yeah he probably doesnt neatly fall into that category 😅

[@jackiearcher7738]

Kendrick fiance mother is bi racial while her father is black, her DNA is more black, Drake think people are talking about his race, it's about how he operates in the culture.

[@kevben706]

@@jackiearcher7738 stop it Drake has helped a lot of artist including Kendrick stop with this culture crap.

[@jaylalove7308]

@@kevben706he also takes from the culture. He hopes on every new artist song or steals the sound. He will sign artist just for him not to develop them and then they flop. He’s not good for the culture

[@kevben706]

@@jaylalove7308 you don't know that for sure and if he does so what. im sure alot of black artists do that. at the end of the day drake is still black hes stealing nothing.

[@jaylalove7308]

@@kevben706 we do know that. It’s simple facts. Even the weekend said he was happy he didn’t sign with him for the exact reason. He takes their songs and dumbs them in the trash

[@ripwednesdayadams]

6:12 THANK YOU. Because so many of these creators are leaving “Hiss”/MTS out of their breakdowns.

[@idontuploadanym0re]

1:29:48 the fact that Giancarlo Esposito indirectly makes his way into this beef is UNREAL.

[@pristinedecision1877]

Please know what you are talking about. ×3 Please know what you are talking about. ×3 Please know what you are talking about. ×3 😭🙏 There have been far too many content creators attempting to make money by covering this beef without being aware of it before "Like That," and somehow, they are the ones who are garnering the most attention. I've been here and aware of this since I was searching shitty forums for a leaked version of "Take Care" to put on my older cousin's iPod when she came to town, and my father took me to my first concert, the "Club Paradise Tour." I recall vividly the day "Control" dropped, the general public's reaction, and how every named artist outside of Drake understood the assignment. (R.I.P. Mac Miller 🙏). I remember Drake's lame ass interview with Elliot Wilson disparaging the verse as a "moment," and I remember staying up late to watch the BET Cypher and wait for the uncensored version to come out on KZbin. These were seminal moments for me, as they were my first experiences as a youngin' with genuine animosity between two artists who couldn't be more different but also had a startlingly similar artistic and professional trajectory's. In 2011, Drake released Take Care, proving to the world that he was here to stay and would like be the next major pop rap artist. The next year, KDot released good kid, m.A.A.d city, proving he may very well be the next hip hop legend. KDot delivered on those promises with TPAB in 2015, cementing his status as such, while Drake released Views the following year, catapulting his pop-star status to new heights. Edit: So far, she’s ridiculously thorough. This is the one.

[@Iffmeister]

I'm half an hour I and it's very good, only missed on small details (King Kunta ghost writing line was in the spring and Meek and Drake beef ended up being that same summer, in 2015).

[@NeidaTeresa]

Literally had the same trajectory as you! IT was odd to me that not enough people were talking about the loooonnngg history Drake and Kendrick have. I first encountered Drake on Degrassi and so it has been a long and painful journey through my pleasant childhood memories of him to accept that he is who he is, but alas, here we are in 2024 😓

[@haniyyahn]

Regarding the real women -- I don't think anything is wrong with celebrating stretch marks. We don't get enough of that. Drake is into Instagramy augmented women. The feature he was on with Sexyy Red recently had him talking about how many women's BBLs he had paid for -- these are possibly life threatening surgery to fit some sort of aesthetic sexualized ideal. You don't need to be a Hotep to not love that.

[@devineggins4]

As a Scorpio man…we do NOT claim Drake

[@ManuelaAlmeidaRamos]

shoutout to you for knowing that Megan is the precursor of this beef. also this video made me apreciate 6:16 in LA a lot more thank you

[@sbrown9531]

ok... So, Ive got one major gripe with you thus far while watching this ridiculously long yet very well thought out and well put together video... when kendrick says that he has three angels watching over him in "6:16 in L.A." and you state "well he has three kids so that's pretty self explanatory". Kendrick only has TWO kids. and he is still with the kids mom so I think those are the three angels...the two kids and Whitney. Don't be giving him an extra kid!!

[@eilishhelder9840]

@sbrown9531 Very sharp! True as well. While I do commend her for her take and very interesting perspective as I'm interested in astrology on a deeper level, some things were slightly incorrect. Not to say she didn't put in the work

[@haniyyahn]

Drake's uncle and grandfather from Memphis were serious, renowned Blues and R&B musicians. He could be dipping into that heritage. The sample Kendrick used for 6:16 in LA is from a song that Drake's uncle is playing guitar on -- I can't imagine that is a coincidence. I think his dilemma is that he was raised as a (white) Jewish boy by his Mom and her parents and that's what he knows the most and what's most authentic for him (which is fine) yet he isn't living that life. Drake is an adult. At some point, you need to decide where you belong and who you are as a person.

[@kcosofsky7338]

I'm only like 5 mins in but THANK YOU for starting the story with meg!!! she threw the first brick at stonewall etc etc and THANK YOU for talking abt how fucked up the way everyone treated her re: the shooting and everything

[@EayuProuxm]

48:55 For the line "Your arms are too short to box with the god" is probably a reference to one of the opening lines of the poem "The Prodigal Son" by James Weldon Johnson Young man- Young man- Your arm’s too short to box with God. It's been referenced a few times by various rappers. Off the top of my head, I remember it being remixed by Talib Kweli on his song, "Thieves in the Night" off his collab album with Mos Def,Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star "Your firearms are too short to box with God" I had to look it up for other references, but Jay Electronica also uses it on his song, "My World (Nas Salute)" "Your arms too short to box with the sender of the prophets" Nas used it directly in his song, "You Da Man" "Your arms too short to box with God" J Cole is a big Nas fan, so it's probably where he got the idea from. If I'm going to comment on a 3 hour and 23 minute video, I got to have at least one comment that respects the dedication that went into this. (My dedication amounted to a google search and like 2 page clicks, but it's the thought that counts! And I feel like that's more dedication than most comments anyway.)

[@EayuProuxm]

1:06:32 - 1:06:41 Bring back hate.Non specific, non dangerous hate. Let's just hate things again. Let's just be mad at things again. Please make this speech at the UN. It's something all humans needs to hear. The joy in your face when you say it is contagious.

[@ericlowery1304]

I enjoyed it. It really sounds like my kitchen where my 26 and 21 yr old daughters have discussions with me and the mom. And like those discussions I don't fully agree with all perspectives but I understand why you feel a certain way. I truly enjoyed this and will look for more of your content

[@NeidaTeresa]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Warms my heart bc I have a 21 yr old niece and we often have chats in the kitchen just like ur daughters 😊

[@jackiearcher7738]

The lyte pack verse also gives reference to daylyt a rapper who has written for Drake before

[@Mjrules1021]

2:45:32 Phenomenal video! I loved your in depth analysis of this entire beef! What you said at this time stamp lit a lightbulb in my head because since that shooting took place at Drake’s Embassy mansion, people have been looking into the security company Drake hired and the security officer who was allegedly shot. Come to find out; the security company is one of those that Drake owns runs through his team (I think Chubs is his head of security). 🤯🤯🤯

[@hannahhecklof]

I've been waiting for a take from a girly and you delivered tenfold!! (I don't think kendrick is an Israelite but some of his family are)

[@moonriversou]

Seated!! So glad you're talking about this ♡

[@user9o777laont]

1. Big 3 refers in pop culture to an NBA acquiring 3 superstar players who are so good they make the team damn near unstoppable. 2. GKMC is considered Kendrick’s FIRST *major studio album.* J.Cole was referring to TPAB as his second album, DAMN as his 3rd and MMATBS. 3. J.Cole’s prime is widely considered by Cole fans & hip hop heads to be his 2015 album, Forest Hills Drive.

[@wathykite]

This was THOROUGH. Amazing work from you and the desk correspondent 👏🏻

[@EayuProuxm]

20:45 Coming to that conclusion means that you lack both reading and listening comprehension skills. Which is going to be a theme for Drake going forward in this beef. Glad we recognized this started way back.

[@tatianar9429]

2:33:00 I think you missed some context for this whole Spotify policy and TDE threatening to remove their catalogue if it is put in place. It was not about separating the art from the artist. TDE and Lamar went on record and pointed out that while the policy itself claims to be about removing "problematic" artists from playlists (quotation marks because definitions in new rules were intentionally ambiguous and vague), in practice they were targeting specifically R. Kelly and XXXTentasion, so only black artists. Their white counterparts would not be subjects to the same policy. They published a whole list of white artists who fall under same guidelines as R. Kelly and XXX, but would not face the same treatment. This list and a whole bunch of potential legal consequences quickly snuffed out the whole discourse (but allegedly shadow banning these same artists from official playlists was probably introduced behind the scenes).

[@maggiedk]

Kendrick only has 2 kids btw! Not sure if that means Whitney is the 3rd angel or if he's talking about someone else, hmm

[@NeidaTeresa]

Thank you for mentioning that! I assume she would be the third one but then that begs a bunch of weird questions about infantilizing female partners 🤔 honestly wouldn’t put it past him tho

[@darrickfranklin7096]

@@NeidaTeresa how is her being an angel infantilize her? I’m pretty sure he just means these 3 are his family and he associates them as good things/blessings and they watch over him.

[@sisyphusmarble8460]

3rd angel could be his late grandmother Estell, whom he has referenced as watching over him in other songs.

[@ShyShy_999]

@@darrickfranklin7096 Agreed. The three angels lines sounds more in line when he's talking to God, asking for forgiveness for what he's about to do (that being, grind Drake to a fine paste) but knowing that his angels (his children and fiancée, or his family as a whole) will still watch him and stay by his side after everything (which I think also links to his lines in Euphoria about him focusing more on his family than rap, which he implies that Drake doesn't even do for his own family).

[@ChocolateThaiE]

3 angels are Gabriel, Raphael, and Metatron.

[@EayuProuxm]

1:14:39 It's just a beautifully written rap song and also horribly disrespectful I'm glad we're discussing that. Drake made 5,317,986 short jokes about Kendrick, but Kendrick's line "But let me tell you some game, 'cause I can see you, my lil' homie" is the most belittling line in the entire battle.

[@JCRandom1988]

Just going through videos about the beef and clicked this one on a whim. And that opening shocked me, and pretty much guaranteed I'm going to watch all 3 1/2 hours of this.

[@EayuProuxm]

2:14 And Kendrick Lamar in May of 2024 and he said, "I will get us back to God. Singlehandedly. I will bring us back to the light of the Lord." This is the greatest introduction to this beef and the only introduction that needs to exist.

[@biancaprimo4168]

oh I was looking for a video like this! I need to understand this beef, thank you for your service

[@NeidaTeresa]

Thank you for watching!

[@SuperMiIk]

I can never watch enough of these

[@SuperMiIk]

Okay the astrology lost me

[@eilishhelder9840]

​@@SuperMiIk😆

[@yarn_over_and_caffeine]

I think kendrick saying Drake isn't a real man. Isn't anything homophobic or transphobic even if Drake is a chaser. I think based on his complaints on meet the grahams it has nothing to do with those aspects but the fact that he lacks the moral integrity and shirks the responsibilities of a man. Honestly I think if Kendrick wanted to use that as an insult he would have put that in meet the grahams since he pretty much put everything else LOL. I know hindsight is 20/20 but with Whitney's brother supporting Kendrick and her in the video with the kids and at the pop out, my side gaze at him has lessened for those accusations. I really loved the research and detail that went into this. The point of view that you took and some of the details that you noticed. I am particularly annoyed that Drake's blatant homophobia and transphobia hasn't been called out more, since our community had embraced his music too.

[@thatone85]

J. Cole was talking Kendrick’s major label albums. 1. Good kid MAAD City=Classic 2. To Pimp A Butterfly= Put people to sleep but they gassed it. 3. Damn= the height of Kendrick’s career/Pulitzer Prize album. 4. Mr Morale and the Big Steppers= wasn’t that good. You misquoted the albums J. Cole was talking about

[@TaydaMada510]

Is it homophobic to to imply someone has tendencies or traits that reflect that they aren’t aligned with the sexual orientation they claim to be? I always felt like the attack was not in whether someone is gay, bi, etc or not, but in them not being who they portray to be. Much like every other topic in battle

[@dueceiswi7d]

Ive always thought it was more about the overall character of who is saying it. Sometimes i think it could just be ignorance, but if your track record is shitty🤷🏾‍♂️Its kinda like when Candence owens uses woke vs when Erykah Badu uses it. My best advice is if you are questioning whether it could come off offensive, dont do it.

[@3serio]

“If he wasn’t dissin, then we wouldn’t be discussing him…” YOU SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT HIM INTO THE DISCUSSION! “Is it KDot, Aubrey or me…” Remember!?…Mf!

[@tm7517]

I don’t know how much of this I’ll watch. But 6 minutes in there was a major error. She said Drake and Kendrick are two American rappers. And I guess if she means they are both from North America, yes. But Drake is not US American. And the fact that Drake isn’t from the US is a HUGE part of the beef with Kendrick hammering that home in almost all of the songs.

[@kakuzu1hidan2]

Though many consider Section 80 as Kendricks first official album it was actually gkmc which is the classic Cole was taking about (easily an undisputed classic). That makes it all line up as his 2nd album was tpab which did have mixed reactions initially because of the vast difference sonically but grew on a lot of people. So damn. is the prime because of the Pulitzer and being his most accessible album mainstream wise. Cole def shouldn't be talking discographies with Kendrick but eh he tried i guess... Probably why he lost sleep lol

[@paigeseliger836]

I've watched SO MANY of these breakdowns, and you by far have the most relevant background info included. Thank you for an excellent video!

[@jacquelinerandle5152]

No, no, no, no. No, you need to go further back than that. That's the wrong answer also Kendrick. turned that( first person shooter ) part down from the beginning.Drake and Kendrick were already beefing, go way Back Keep going back.

[@SleeplessSoup]

43:50 I really think that he was saying his first one: GKMC was classic and then his second one: TPAB was boring and they gassed it because the main criticism I’ve seen is it’s got no banger, and it’s a boring album (which obv is not very true) and yet it’s regarded as one of the best hip hop albums and his Third: DAMN. Was his prime due to how well it performed. I think he’s just looking past section 80.

[@NeidaTeresa]

I cut out a part where I was going through that whole timeline but this makes me think you must be right! Which makes it even worse because no offense to Damn but it is imo his weirdest album (like weird in the sense that I feel like that conflicted Jay Z gif when I listen to some of the songs)

[@PrynceDeeZee]

You got it backwards. Jcolr raps gkmc was classic. TPAB was tragic but they gassed it.

[@SaturnSicko]

Great video! Its awesome to hear your perspective, im so tired of passively misogynistic men making videos on this beef just brushing off the misogyny and homophobia or just being weird asf in general. Your critiques felt fresh and interesting in comparison. Albiet yeah theres probably stuff you missed, i cant remember anything specific right now but i have vague memory of there being a couple contextual things about the beef missing, for the most part i felt you did a great job explaining and researching.

[@DangerousTempest]

Ok, about 33 minutes in, i see why this autoplayed for me 😂 my autistic ass (real, not insulting) has been hyperfixated on this beef, *and* this is a crazy long deep dive?! Add in the humor and demeanor, this is the closest thing to a bespoke video I've EVER SEEN. I'll be adding thoughts through the next 17 listens, I'm sure 😂 I'll try to keep it to my own replies at least

[@DangerousTempest]

AND I'm getting links to MORE deep dive content that I can trust?! Speechless. Sometimes the universe is generous

[@EayuProuxm]

1:22:37 I also saw things no Reddit before I heard it in a Drake song. I was desperate for beef discussion, so I went on the Drake reddit and I saw someone post the rumor that Whitney had a kid with Dave Free. Having Akademiks come out post beef and say that was a lie makes me think that that was someone from OVO's team trying to astroturf a rumor.

[@rahbeeuh]

I clicked for the fro and stayed for the commentary. Subbed for 4:46

[@lmfisher100]

I listened to this whole Dissertation 🎉while cleaning and place is spotless and I learned yeah K Dot is the Shakespeare of our generation 🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍💐💐💐

[@EayuProuxm]

2:13:40 Not only on Not Like Us is he being belligerent and disrespectful, he's also giving us complicated and deep similes and metaphors and double entendre and you can shake your a$$ to it. Way too few people are recognizing that despite it being a club banger, Kendrick was BARRING OUT on that song. People say he simplified it, but he didn't simplify that much. The lyrics were more accessible, but they were still clever And it IS a song that could be on The Boondocks!

[@chesterstevens8870]

What's that? A three-hour analysis of a subject I only found out about last night? Regarding a genre of music I don't really listen too? Yeah, cool; count me in.

[@pacinorules752]

Thanks for taking the time to research and put this video together

[@Pinstripe105]

Noooooo not a short Gemini man like me hearing from this video that prince and kendrick, 2 of my favorite artists are also short Gemini men 😂

[@UniqueliStunning]

I think he was saying he don’t have a classic cus all his major bops were cheap samples or referenced tracks drake is joke

[@esmooth919]

1:39:23 I fxxxing hate this line! It just goes to show how ignorant / tone deaf about black American culture that the Canadian Drake really is! Hence why people keep calling him a culture vulture!

[@silenceinspace.]

Listened to/watched this video while I was doing my Saturday chores. You brought insight to the situation I haven't heard anyone else share. Subscribed!

[@FortunateKidd]

“Kendrick cracked his knuckles and said I’ll bring us back to God” is the same as “Thanks reached for the gauntlet and said Fine I’ll do it myself”

[@superslayer22]

I didn't think i was gonna watch a 3 hour video but you got me with the beginning stinger

[@KaylaMarie_]

2:47:57 that person who was saying that stuff doesnt know kendrick or anyone from tde and has been an internet troll for at least a decade. He goes viral every couple years for something random

[@BEAUTY2light1]

Nicki never took a bullet for Drake. They weren’t even cool at the time. She never ever mentioned she was taken up for Drake. Nicki mentioned her family.

[@esme_melody]

this is my 1st vid of yours but i'm so glad i found this channel!!! all of your takes are so refreshing and also very correct. subscribing immediately

[@averyjacob5476]

Kendrick also dissed Drake on “Perfect Pint” in 2017 👀

[@bigmacc9624]

Your hatred for men makes this hard 2 watch

[@sourpatchkiiddoo1582]

I love your analysis but I think you mixed up the records that J.Cole was mentioning. “Your first sh!t was classic” refers to GKMC, as I think it was his first big mainstream success, so when he talks about his second sh!t putting ppl to sleep, he’s referring to TPAB, and his peak as DAMN. Not super important but I think that’s why you were struggling to understand how J.Cole could say GKMC put ppl to sleep.

[@NeidaTeresa]

Thank you! I thought about that after I finished filming and I think you might be right! He's a lil insane for that though bc TPAB is one of my favorite albums 😭I almost threw my remote at the tv when 1989 beat it for Album of the year

[@sourpatchkiiddoo1582]

@@NeidaTeresa hahaha I feel you. TPAB is awesome, I’m yet to dive deeper into it like I have with DAMN, but it’s really good.

[@DatBeautifulNightmare]

One question only. What exactly did Kdot see on his tour with Drake. "I can dig rapping but a rapper with a ghost writer what the fk happened" 2013.. 2024 the Meet the Graham's . 6:16 in LA.. finally Not Like Us.. were so revealing it hurts.

[@_glia]

midway thru and this is hands down one of the best breakdowns i've ever heard

[@pristinedecision1877]

1:11:04 I think you might be thinking too far into this. I’m pretty sure that Kendrick is saying exactly what he is saying in this “Drake doesn’t *like* women.” It’s the reason he harbors resentment towards seemingly any woman who reneges him sexually and hold those grudges forever. Jorja Smith, Serena Williams, Rihanna and Meg. He constantly goes after “the women” or worded better, the significant others of contemporaries both immediately after they end their relationships and while they are currently in them as a weird form of one-upmanship. Edit: 1:32:34 She got it. 😅

[@maggiedk]

I can't explain how happy it made me to hear him just straight up call Drake a misogynist.

[@esmooth919]

​@@maggiedkamong many other things

[@NeidaTeresa]

Haha yeah we got there in the end! Thanks for commenting ^-^

[@AllTheArtsy]

soany people misread the "confuse themselves for real women" and "i believe you dont like women" as transphobic and homophobic when Kendrick was hinting at Drake liking girls/young women and also being a misogynist

[@Swichmech]

The follow up bars are important to the context too- “I believe you dont like women Thats real competition You might pop ass with em” Aside from the clear misogyny angle, I feel this is also saying that in a contest of popularity and attention between Drake and any other celebrity woman, Drake would find it a real challenge to always be more popular than a woman, and he desires this attention so much he’d sooner ‘pop ass with em’ to be able to share the spotlight than just have it taken away from him