WHY are Live Service Games DYING NOW?

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When I wrote an article this week about the slow death of the live looter shooter genre, one recent game actually slipped my mind, despite the fact that I’d previously put 300 hours into it, The First Descendant.
The First Descendant is very much a PvE looter shooter, and arrived with solid numbers and a decently robust fanbase. Though the narrative about the game got sidetracked by culture war debates about character hotness, I previously said that at least at launch, as a genre veteran I found that it was in fact a compellingly-structured shooter with decent reward loops and clear objectives to maintain.
Fast-forward to six months later and…things are not quite where they were. And a lot of that comes from improvements the game could have made that it did not, and the structure of the entire seasonal model.

[@Just_Saying-404]

People don't like bills. People don't like being reminded of bills. Live Service games is a subscription which means it is a recurring bill.

[@cameronhubbard7729]

Exactly

[@gabrieljohnson1854]

Tell this to Final Fantasy online players you have to pay A subscription on PlayStation and on Xbox you have to pay for two subscriptions costing around 300 dollars A year.

[@terminatorxp2007]

Sometimes the best thing about older games is the simplicity.

[@cjbrown1979]

And that you can play them without an internet connection!

[@only4posting]

Videogames used to be about passionate developers willing to create fantastic games for gamers.. and for themselves. Then, when greed nosed people started noticing people were spending hundreds of millions on candy crush, on the 1st iPhone... and they infected all the big studios with their trillions $ and their hoards of greedy shareholders ... the rest is history.

[@chanbenyamin3527]

MEGA MAN!

[@gabrieljohnson1854]

Remember the good old days when games released without needing updates and devs actually cared about the games they made? Yep those days are gone.

[@AARONGAMING1988]

Because we don’t want live service games

[@ArielCleirigh]

Never like to play the Same game, as Cod, Fifa, Fortnite, etc. And especially wasting money on skins or others similar stuff its so dumb to me.

[@TheIronTiger44]

That too. I agree. I play for story. When the story ends I’m on to the next game.

[@Enigmalake]

I don’t like them but idiots blow billions on fortnite and gta and etc.

[@MyManJFKTV]

Another case solved by Aaron Gaming 1988. Pat yourself on the back for the job well done.

[@Spiderman-_-007]

Thats precisely the reason why they’re failing but they just want 💸💸💸💸💸 they don’t care what us gamers want 🤷‍♂️

[@ericksolis7820]

Fortnite and GTA online have done some serious damage to the gaming industry.

[@matthewrodgers740]

Exactly a lot of people want story driven single player games without Internet requirement there’s just too many digital Internet slave creatures out there getting brainwashed

[@ryleybenson1009]

I tend to prefer that games have both a beginning and an ending. These unending games get really boring and exhausting after a while.

[@prezzeruk4054]

Live service is the opposite of wat gaming should be. I play games for fun, for entertainment, to get lost in another universe, thats gaming. Live service games are a chore to play, they are so grindy, so tight with the rewards, u HAVE to play them to get anywhere. Its like a job, not a fun experience. Live service have had their time, now its finally over!

[@decusq]

i doubt this is the last of live service games but like any other trend following their comes "The Trend Culling" those who aimed to join the trend will now be culled and taken down.

[@pewyouredead]

Live service games will always be around

[@hotpockets69]

Socom Confrontation is more fun to me than any story driven single-player game I've played in modern times and that is/was live-service. I would gladly trade all Soulsborne nonsense and bloated open-world theird-person single-player action games to have the ability to play Socom Confrontation on my PS5.

[@expattrading]

Then you are playing the wrong games. Helldivers 2 and Marvel rivals are incredibly fun to play

[@jiggerypokery2962]

Yet all the money goes to live services.

[@MTTT19]

Never cared for Live Service Games. I'd rather play a Single Player Story Driven Game all the way through and then come back to it at another time in the future.

[@4400seriesFAN]

It's because 99% of them are boring, repetitive garbage like The First Descendant!

[@newyorktechworld6492]

People just want to play a game, tired of being connected to the internet. Always online sucks.

[@GRAVEMINDGOATERA]

💯

[@TheSymbiot3Venom]

Meanwhile over at Sony : we’re doubling down on live service 😅

[@akavario]

I just want a game that’s there when I want to play it. Not a game that needs ME to constantly be there in order for it to be playable.

[@erey214]

There are plenty of games out here

[@piyoweb]

Don't worry, Sony CEO said they'll 3x... 4x down on Live Service. 400 million loss? That's NOTHING! $1.6 billion, $2 billions losses coming soon from Sony!!! 😂😂😅😅

[@Hailie_Broko]

Live service games are very rare to get right and the top people don't even understand that.

[@xxtimmy69xx]

So rare none have done it yet. I'd say closes which is still far off is helldivers 2.

[@mingo675]

Live service games couldn't die off soon enough. Companies wasting money on this shit when they could have made a better stand alone game.

[@thecinematicbandicoot7280]

Good riddance to live service games. Too bad it came at the cost of hard working employees rather than lazy executives who reap all the money for themselves.

[@ethannderyakabuski5749]

I knew I could find a good take like this in this community. Too many peanut brains blame the devs when they don't even know what jira is, or what a day in the life of a normal low level software game dev looks like

[@1jclaypool]

Who has time to do daily quest, weekly quest, seasonal quest on multiple games. Heck I don't have time to do them on a single game let alone more than one. Plus they get boring after doing the same quest 20-50 times.

[@nicodimus2222]

Well, I do. I'm retired. However, I choose to not support any live service games with my money or time.

[@TheSnycher]

Theres a lot of great games still dropping today but I absolutely feel the golden era was pre PS3 gen.

[@jack_knife-1478]

Live service sucks! It's ridiculous that people can play one game over and over and over again.

[@erey214]

7 years later and I'm still playing pubg

[@jack_knife-1478]

@erey214 try something else

[@shalindelta7]

​@@jack_knife-1478 I've tried plenty else but always go back to Apex because nothing else can scratch that itch. Expand your mindset, there's nothing ridiculous about it. We like what we like. I used to think people who still play games like Mario are ridiculous, especially adults, but not anymore as i understand nostalgia sells. I've purchased a retro handheld myself because i do feel for ps2 games sometimes and it's nice to have it for those times.

[@SillyOmega]

They can't they get sick of it, takes some longer like me.

[@erey214]

@@jack_knife-1478 i have too many games, but there's something about pubg

[@magic1wizard]

I hate how multplayer games are designed now. Its no longer about having a fun game. Now its about fleecing money out of you all the time

[@erey214]

Lol. They not forcing u to pay

[@magic1wizard]

@erey214 I didn't mean that they were forcing but the core gameplay and design of the game gets made around near infinite monetization.

[@mischiefmotorsgame]

Live service games try to prey on your FOMO and you really need to invest a lot of time even for just one of them. As a father of two with a full time job and a game dev hobby, I just cant afford that much time and money into a single game. It takes me 3 weeks to complete 10 hour games nowadays....I can't grind like that. Plus, these games have so many mechanics that dont matter and just divide your attention, usually to get you to spend. I prefer old games because you had real post-game content, hidden stuff, things to unlock, hidden wacky modes like Dino Crisis 2's Battle mode. All of this without spending more money. There's some nostalgia of course, since these games arent always the best, but they've got a lot of charm and they were trying different things in a time where there were no standards.

[@stitches4714]

I believe yatzee said it best. We want an ending. We are present with not so many games that want you to replay to see all the choices or something that has so many endings cuz of actions. They want a story. We are lacking games with not only a good story but a good ending to wrap it up

[@carlosmoore2080]

Live service games are the first games you lose when the player base falls off . When they realize that a ton of consumers are gullible they pushed that agenda . Multiplayer used to be free you didn't need a subscription for that type of access. In stead of gamers rebelling and not buy multiplayers and boycotting against it making them revert back they fell for it and gave them the money . When a hustler or business man sees a opportunity with gullible people they're going to keep finding ways to take money from that mark . The fact that people submitted with no resistance for decades discredited their intelligence to companies . The old games are not better than newer IPs and it is merely nostalgia. Ive been gaming since the first Atari and colecovision my mother was a gamer and collector as well. Nowadays I don't know what has gotten into people but there was of thinking is counter productive and they are to closed minded to look at how there actions affect things down the line . Because a lot of gamers and influencers are very selfish people and seem to think every game should be made specifically for them and don't consider the other people that like games they don't. It has created an atmosphere where a lot of development teams avoid being innovative because gamers act like children and want to either boycott and influence others to boycott the game before launch just because the leader of the sheeple doesn't like it and that is manipulating the market . Causing great development teams to lose there jobs , strip them of their dream , and lively hood even persuading gamers that might like the games not to try them for themselves. Y'all take the power of influence for granted. There are a lot of people that have a beta mentality and go with everything the popular person says without doing their own research or doing what they like just following the popular opinions handed down by y'all. It's not y'alls fault Their gullible but y'all are accountable for being mindful the the things y'all do negatively effect others that like to play games y'all don't that is selfish. Like I said I have been gaming since the first Atari so me and my wife have every console except the Chinese emulators. Why would I pay $500-$600 on a console only to play old games I've already beaten with just better graphics it makes no sense especially if the graphics are only up to the level of PS3 or 4 . Y'all are killing innovation with all the negative press which is just as toxic as a PC player using game bots. Rather than saying a game just isn't for you y'all tell everyone not to buy it . Depriving People of awesome sequels like days gone 2 I even pitched to Neil Druckman to have it where the days gone universe and characters intertwined with the last of us universe and because of the negative press influencers put on days gone it was rejected. The things y'all go for is crazy like investing in 100% digital libraries. You stand a way higher chance of losing games you spent your money on just do to sales dropping or them just deciding to discontinue support on the store service than a person that buys physical copies of single player games that only need Internet connections for updates . The companies knew this since the inception since the creation of the Sega channel decades ago . Yet tons of people fell for it giving them further reason to question gamers intelligence. Things like a game being to hard wasn't a thing one of the fun factors was to get a hard game and striving to be better than anyone else at it now you got people whining and complaining that lack a competitive spirit. Another thing that I think is crazy is preferring to buy a $70 game that is 7-10 hours vs a game that has 100 hours of content . Look at it from a fiscally responsible point of view you are paying $10-$12 per hour for the smaller game and less than less than a dollar an hour for the 100 hr game . Now with Indie titles you are more likely to get value at the price tag but with AAA titles that's insane. The game is going to be $65-$75 with tax . We are crying about gaming and further corrupting it all at the same time I'm a hard core souls borne , resident evil , last of us, God of war kind of person and I tried dragon age veilgaurd on PS5 it ran smoothly and outside of some of the weird conversations the game was definitely not a bad game . I've also seen where a lot of KZbinrs that criticize games are also trash at the games they don't like. They have us believing there is issues with movement or button reactions and Ive turned around bought that game day of release and it played perfectly boards they've died on multiple times I've passed on my initial attempts. I'm thinking about being a streamer because I will be honest with no bias and let people know the game is something others might consider but it's not the type of game I like to play instead of telling them not to buy it and ruining it for people that might want to play it or ruining the chance for them getting a sequel to a game they enjoy. They manipulation of the market by influencers is the reason we are getting minor graphical remasters constantly now because developers are scared to be innovative and are playing it safe with games that have already had success in the past . I like legacy of kain but the only way I would spend a dime on it again is if they made the graphics realistic like elden ring or and the game play way smoother almost to the point where it seems like a totally new game. Gamers need to take accountability for where they are responsible for what's happening aswell the the blame is not just on development teams alone they only get away with what you let slide and every action has a reaction just because you do something about something doesn't mean you'll create the desired affect. You have to be strategic to make sure your reaction is almost guaranteed to result in the desired affect. Sure standing up the way people are doing I'm proud of that but how and what they are prioritizing is overlooking the main issues like free multiplayer getting rid of the live service model except on free to play games and franchise milking IPs like COD and 2k games every year with minimal changes also the release of half a game with the other half being a patch or update just to save money when the whole game can be on disk or digital without bug fixes patches or updates .All these things are being ignored while y'all argue over buying a game because the female character looks battle hardened which actually fits a realistic aspect or a stripper from magic City . That actually sounds like a topic for men that can't pull 10s unless they buyem in real life . Let's be real if your girl or wife looks good why would how a girl looks in a video determine whether you buy the video game.Its a stupid childish reason . Assassin's Creed shadows looks awesome I'm black do you I don't like the fact they made the black man gay I really don't but is that gonna stop me from buying the game hell no . I want to play as the ninja anyway. Plus it will be the first assassins creed ninja and samurai game . In my opinion I feel it will definitely be better than mirage regardless. That's just my take but how people like me feel doesn't matter because the selfish people out there want to dismember Ubisoft because the game is not for them . If it's not for you move on to something that is and let others enjoy themselves. The privilege in modern thinking is unreasonable but within these next 4 years a lot of people will be humbled as their privilege disappears into the shadows. Job markets are guaranteed to crash even worse as buying power depletes donations and patrions will lessen greatly out of necessity and survival and the struggle will begin for those that never struggled in their life . Probably then priorities will shift and people will really understand what I mean about prioritizing the wrong things and the negative affect to come down the road . Many will regret buying the newest I phone every year and wish they spent that money on purchasing physical gold and silver bullion instead but that will not become a common idea until it's too late and they can't afford to. This is going to affect gamers aswell because some will try to play it smart and instead of blowing money on events and shopping may invest in a backlog but will be pissed in the long run because most games will be the same or boring after playing it years ago then playing it for the second time. My predictions in gaming have been accurate for the past 10 years and I'm sad to say gaming is definitely headed for a turn for the worse except for those that are willing to sell their freedom for convenience those are the people that will think they are winning but are really losing. Owning nothing and loving it begun with the digital error but not many people even realize that. PC found out the hard way 2024 and that revelation hasn't dawned on console players that heavily invested in game pass and PS plus and it won't untill someone tries to file a lawsuit for them removing games they paid for from their library. Once the ruling is passed down and publicly noticed then people will acknowledge that laws in gaming don't protect consumers other than the selling of their private info and they have been duped again.

[@amyj5603]

The market is flooded with live service games, with battle passes and expensive bundles, nobody wants them and they also expect everyone to play games 24/7 with no work or lives plus you start one day 1. 6 months later you can't find matches and a year later it shut down so what is the point

[@aFLYER1980]

I see live-service.... And avoid like it's the plague

[@only4posting]

There's only 1 response to this greedy corporations and industry : That's called emulation. And yes, gamers need to hurry, and download EVERYTHING they can, from old nes/snes stuff to more recent ps1, psvita, DS, ps2, GameCube, etc, before Sony, Nintendo, etc, forces some countries to pass some copyright bills, and in just 24 hours, all the existing websites that still share roms packs, emulators, etc, could be gone. The other day, I had more fun playing through all the portable and ps2 God of war games, on a simple tablet + dualshock4, than I had fun playing God of war + Ragnarok ! Had a blast discovering donkey Kong. Or some dreamcast and Saturn shumups. Not all games need to be in 4k and run on 10 gigs if memory

[@aFLYER1980]

@only4posting funny enough I have around 14TB of games downloaded (DRM removed).

[@N-FINITE.E]

Live service is Dying... Good 😁

[@GodofWarChuka]

I’ve been playing more Indie and Retro games. Still play Destiny 1 and 2 sometimes. But won’t stick any more money into live service games.

[@MJVlogsGutierrez]

I just want a game with a beginning and options for possible endings. At least it feels that I made an achievement. That is the plus side of developing a complete game.

[@kylehammon2304]

Live service cant disappear fast enough

[@hiroyui9699]

They suck.

[@jasondavie3027]

The idea of a forever game, was always a shit idea 😂

[@erey214]

World of war craft says hi

[@rrice3142]

Couldn’t agree more. Let’s get back to great games.

[@TheeMetalhead]

I have some reason for why: They put mostly single player devs to make service games, which have zero experience in that market, the top people wanna have their own Fortnite, Apex, Marvel Rivals, so they can get the billions of dollars in the bank or few points gain on their stocks and finally, they seem not to have a clear vision for what their service games are about or even monitize it properly

[@JGr2000]

Gaming is dead… if you only play cod, madden, fifa and fortnite

[@lemming9984]

I've never played any of them - but yes, gaming is dead. Regret buying my PS5 over 4 years ago. I have about 10 games.

[@shalindelta7]

​@@lemming9984 then gaming is dead FOR YOU, big difference. I had a ps5 for 4 years as well and purchased over 50 games and enjoyed aplenty.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

You say that like its a bad thing. GAAS should dle altogether IMO.

[@nicodimus2222]

Because it's a rotten business model. Nearly all of them fail quickly.

[@thesorrow7499]

I wonder if Tassi mentioned that TFD was on Steam's list of top-selling games of the year, having been on the market for 6 months.

[@matthewrodgers740]

You used to go into a store to buy a game now you buy a game to go into a store

[@cjbrown1979]

Ya, I do agree with the stance that the grind of live service games kills their enjoyment eventually. You basically need a dedicated group of friends who are in it for the long haul and are willing to spend time playing the game together. Otherwise, the enjoyment of live service titles really fizzles out quickly.

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

Cause we've had enough of the BS. Nobody wants a video game to feel like a chore list. Shouldn't need to grind your way for a week to do 2% more damage. Skull and Bones was the best example of complete BS! Your ship actually gets tired and needs stamina. WTF? It's a wooden tub FFS... But don't worry! You can pay real money, and we'll make your stamina better! ... 🖕🏼

[@blizmo2]

I haven't played a live service game in years but my guess is because they suck

[@cackoocacho1629]

Live service, is the biggest oxymoron in gaming. They are without a doubt, a dead disservice to the hobby and industry. Empty, soulless, lifeless husks of nothing, set to waste your time, psychologically assault you at every given moment, and disconnect you from your money. If that isn't a Dead Disservice game? I don't know what is.

[@gokuson8853]

but the live service games are not dead whan fortnite and marvel rivals exists 🤷🤷

[@ElKnoppers]

people are just tired of them

[@iraford5788]

​@@ElKnoppers not when their done right like Marvel Rivals.

[@ElKnoppers]

@@iraford5788 I dont care about overwatch or its many clones

[@QuantumChrist]

Rivals will surely die in a year Fortnite is slowly dying each year, that's why they keep adding mode and keep scamming big ip to go to Fortnite. Gladly Nintendo isn't dumb like Microsoft and Sony to be scammed by Epic

[@gottalottasocks3076]

That’s only 2 games btw mostly kids play them

[@brianharley6452]

Sony are in a mess. There putting 60 percent of there funding into live service 😂😂

[@balaam_7087]

I don’t know and I don’t care, just so long as they keep cratering. GaaS is the single worst thing to happen to gaming. Ever.

[@geert6227]

The smell of his mouth......

[@wantsome-zs5sq]

I don't do services that includes Netflix. Everything I purchase needs to have a disc or I won't buy it. That includes music CD's DVD's/BluRay and games. When I can no longer buy physical I'll just live in the past.

[@erey214]

Lol

[@wantsome-zs5sq]

@@erey214 Jokes on you buddy keep over paying for glorified rental services

[@erey214]

@wantsome-zs5sq 20 bucks for me is not over paying pal. 1 could say the same about cable

[@erey214]

@@wantsome-zs5sq ok

[@gopiratexiii6256]

We dont care for live service games anymore

[@thejcxshow4426]

The old school games are much more exciting than this some today's online games.

[@1kbmahan]

They’re really not dying but sure… just because 200 live service games shut down there’s still 2,000 more live service games including mobile games

[@thegamechangerchannelclass9711]

Games as platform time and money sinks only sustains if it becomes a religion for a player.

[@AgentZeroNine1]

Helldivers 2 is the only live service game I have a shot and a big part of that is due to Helldivers 1 not being a live service game. Such a shame how many studios and opportunities we've lost to chasing the live service lightning in a bottle. It kinda reminds me of how companies chasing AI nowadays.

[@RickyBobby994]

Obviously you haven’t looked at the numbers for Marvel rivals and Fortnite 😂

[@ArielCleirigh]

Never cared about live service games, so I do not find fun playing the same game over and over, cause once I finished a game if its good maybe I played one or two times but thats all, ready for new game.

[@h.rod.3281]

🍯 I don’t even subscribe to play online on console rip offs privileges. So subscribe to play to pay loot boxes…💩

[@h.rod.3281]

Ohh n live services can just shut down without notice…

[@TheIronTiger44]

Because they get boring after a while.

[@AllThingsInfamous1]

Live service games suck and are just chasing and wasting money

[@MySplatterhouse]

I wont miss 'em.

[@GarryLarryBarry]

Play indie games, people!

[@sterlingkart9562]

I don't know man. I'm playing First Descendant like a mother f***** and I like the game so- Honestly, I think too many games are picky and then it sucks when decent games as a service games that are free come out get a bad rap because of a poor experience from another title unrelated

[@jtmfilm]

Love the channel man been watch you for 2 years I hate seeing all the haters talk shit but you don’t haters your not good at a thing and I think you’re a great video game reviewer

[@ZwiekszoneRyzyko]

JFK and Redshirt. I think your gf wants to send you some sort of a message 🤔

[@oldschooldogy316]

Dreamcastguy is partially responsible for all these Sony live service games because every time they put one out he would sing their praises regardless of how bad it was. He is a KZbin influencer but he never was fair. Whatever Sony put out was good and whatever Xbox put out was bad.

[@decusq]

Live Service games like any other trend has it's time and it comes back around one day but right now Players are content with their current games and aren't willing to spend too much money right now. It takes dedication to truly keep at it with a live service game, especially the free to play ones.

[@angrywhalewatcher]

I appreciate single player games but also I play the heck out of Zenless Zone Zero. My current triangle is ZZZ, Vampire Survivors and Cyberpunk. The industry needs balance not every dev needs to put out time sink type F2P game.

[@neoku84r.p.g93]

I think the gaming industry needs to go back in time to the 90s. Start with eight bit games and work their way back up to where we are now.

[@greglong9894]

I’m glad live service games are dying

[@geasslordzero]

This is ignoring all the good live service games we have had since last year. Helldivers 2, Marvel Rivals, Path Of Exiles 2, Zenless Zone Zero. People aren't tired of Live Services they are tired of badly done live services.

[@jasondavie3027]

Those are the exceptions 😂 now list how many have failed.

[@geasslordzero]

@jasondavie3027 You seem to know how many failed so why don't you list them?

[@AllThingsInfamous1]

Those games are free to pay

[@geasslordzero]

@AllThingsInfamous1 the very first game I listed is Helldivers 2 which is $40. Also what's being free to play have to do with anything? Tons of live service games are free to play.

[@AllThingsInfamous1]

@@geasslordzero you are defending live service games. Games that don’t respect the players time or money. They are free to sucker the player into spending lots of money.

[@d-Equalizer-b]

Hear me out.. Live service Leisure suit larry 😂

[@cornelius8149]

You are out of your mind if you think live service games are dying. Older gamers are still trying to hold on to their single-player games. Those days are gone. We are now in a new era of service games.

[@2012gnosis]

Yeah I do remember the Original Nintendo and also the Super NES and Sega and PS2/PS3. Note: GTA VI is coming out this Fall 2025, between the First Day of Fall to the Last Day of Fall. Just a little Heads up.

[@zero195]

Live services are dying because people have already chosen. Fortnite, Warzone, Apex, etc have been around for years, and people have invested money and more importantly time into them. Sunk cost fallacy is real, and people aren't gonna leave their game that they have been playing for years, for another one that's kinda similar but might not even last as long.

[@MyManJFKTV]

I personally can’t stand live service games, so if the alleged death of live services means more single player games that I can enjoy, I’m happy about it. I really do miss the game design of the seventh gen [PS3/Xbox 360/even the Wii I guess] and the creativity/colorful worlds of the PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast/GameCube games…and if those two gens decided to have babies with some updated mechanics and visuals, I’d be extremely happy.

[@DEEPANSHUGulia88]

My favourite gaming system is gba. It has the best gaming library. Next is ps vita, It is a jrpg heaven. I use emulators on my mobile and use a mobile gamepad and I have a more comfortable and enjoyable experience while laying on bed.

[@Hadeshi.]

I dont think the grind is the first descendant is that bad, 2 weeks playing the game, i got ult Freyna, Ult.Sharen and Ult.Bunny, a maxed Enduring Legacy, Cairevoyance, Perforator, Blue Beatle and Afterglow Sword. I think the real bad thing is having to wait between 4 to 36 hours when crafting stuff. 😱 Getting the perfect reactor and component can be hard as well, but doing just one mission you can get over a 100 of them

[@JoshuaVaughan-pi1sn]

People are realizing they are paying full price for a game they will literally just have taken from them in a year or 2 thats why

[@mtaffer]

I 100% believe this. I hope we get back to single player...the gaming industry has to shift! My favorite games are PS2 games to this day! In that era, they were willing to experiment and it kept gaming exciting. Now it's just try to sell the most games with the most safe thing ever = BORING! They are focusing too much on shiny graphics and losing the gameplay in the process. It actually needs to go backwards. Waiting so long for games kills the desire for them. It's just sad, I have almost completely lost interesting in anything new. If you want something new or different, you have to turn to indies.

[@only4posting]

... because.... 1- there's only 24 hours in a day 2- even the biggest whales and addicts need to sleep a few hours 3- once gamers enjoy playing a game, they will spend hundreds, thousands of hours on it, before they switch to a different game 4- gamers don't have 100 TRILLION $ to buy 20 games each month 5- in , say, 100 GaaS titles, there's little to no innovations between them, everything looks, plays the same, same mechanics, same game passes, same challenges 6- gamers got fed up of playing the same shit over and over 7- gamers no longer stand being milked, manipulated, etc, with loot boxes, microtransactions, and other predatory techniques

[@bigbri4090]

Outriders wasn't a live service game. The Devs staight-up stated as such. It was actually very successful....so much so that a DLC was made for it. Yes, it's dead now...because it's a few years old and we all moved on. Anyways, that game was a lot of fun while it lasted. But yup....I agree and I'm burnt out on Live Service games. I'm back to playing open world action/adventure RPG kind of stuff. The First Descendant totally wore me out.

[@leon6257]

single player games can sell for decades , as long as we have online stores. But they prefer some cash upfront i guess.

[@deathblowout]

"What's up gay bears? DreBcast guy here!"

[@Johnny_Ohio]

The one live service game many people used to love, I think they still play, is the division or division two

[@BIOSYNC_]

I was very invested in Fortnite for years, but not many more. Originally with just new skins and map changes I was excited about each new season. However, over the last 14 months your characters movement has completely changed. Also there have been many bad UI changes including locker and other settings changes. At the end of the day I decided to leave the game because nothing was left of the original game, it literally turned into a different game that I hate.

[@questlazy122]

If we have learned anything from this gen. It’s paid DLC with actual content trumps live service. You can only have a handful of titles like Warframe and Destiny actually find success. Until one of those two titles absolutely tank. There isn’t anymore room for live service games in my opinion.

[@rockhyde7775]

Yay! Live service games are finally dying! Whenever I see “online only” on a game’s box or description, I immediately decline purchasing it. The AAA industry’s shift to live service is such a bad idea and it’s no wonder the big budget western AAA side of gaming is in such a dumpster fire state. (Me be like: HA HA! Pointing his finger like Nelson from the Simpsons) Nobody wants to be online at all times to play their games, not even me! It’s like they’re deliberately setting themselves up for failure or trying to get us to charge more on our internet packages. The dying state of the western AAA industry whereas indie, AA and Japanese game developers are stealing that thunder will never get tiring to me. I learned that A’s are a budget label, not a quality guarantee label. Quadruple A won’t be much better. The fact that Skull and Boner (fuck that game btw, go play Ys X instead) calls itself that is just point blank laughable.

[@DJCroft]

I care more about Story campaign driven games more than love service games.

[@bjorn970]

Honestly, TFD isn't that bad. I mean even now you could unlock an ultimate character just by logging in for 14 days. There is all kinds of events that give you easy blueprints. You can also get them from the new vendor now.

[@Rusty_nail_666]

Marvel rivals is a huge liveservice game that just came out. Live service games are not dying.

[@maximillionroivas3893]

There's room for Live Service games in the industry. The problem is, is that it's heavily oversaturated. A few is fine. I don't play Live Service games nor will I ever. But I do see the appeal and why alot of people do play them. I hope with the decrease, it will only leave a few around and more companies will not pursue the genre.

[@maxwonder835]

I think with politics going a conservative route (even if this is horrible) games as a whole will do the same, full blown singleplayer games had come back in the last years and so they will in the future. Games like Alan Wake 2, Resident Evil 4, Spider-Man 2, FF7 Rebirth etc. are showing that the core gamers who were gamers in the 80ies,90ies and so on want full singleplayer experiences.

[@prezzeruk4054]

With the amount of time a live service games, needs from u to make any progress, is insane! I would imagine players only have time for 1 or 2 live services at a time? Personally i cannot play the same game, for more than a few hours, then i have to switch it up and play something else. Then go back and play the other game. I dont know how anyone can play the same game for days or weeks at a time!!

[@AdmiralBison]

Games as goods >>> Games as a service - Gamepass, cloud, liveservice nonsense etc... Own games Physical or DRM-FREE digital. Keep playing. Not keep paying$$$

[@BeersYourFriend]

I hate live service games. I do not play them ever. I use to be a multiplayer gamer, and for the last 10 years I transitioned to being a single player gamer only. It's also the microtransactions that I hate. I've never once paid for a microtransaction in my life, and I never will. I am against microtransactions. Skins do not mean anything to me. It sucks to be a single player gamer right now. Sure, there are TONS of single player games, but it seems like more and more live service games keep being made when we should be seeing more single player games.

[@ahmedalhassy]

I hate live service $hit

[@magfam9980]

Back in the day you couldn't talk to devs, only the media talked to tgem, now anyone can talk to devs and harass them

[@readyplayerone5220]

I'm currently replaying Enslaved: Odyseey to the West. It's a UE3 game that looks better Than any UE5 game coming out today. Also it's got some of the smoothest platforming ever and a gripping story that gives me the same sense of adventure it did 9 years ago. So yeah, games changed, not me.

[@anasbakhit4303]

" Live Service Games Are Dying and Losing Players " everyone pretending to be shocked....

[@ChillyB7uk]

I wish somebody would tell Sony this, get them to cut back on their planned future live service slop. I do hanker back to the PS3/Xbox 360 days and the consoles before them, gaming seemed to be a lot more fun back then, not as much these days I find, or maybe its because I'm older? Funnily enough I found my old PS1 in the attic the other day and tested it out. It still had a disc in it which was Porsche Challenge which I had great fun playing for 2 or 3 hours.

[@LeonardoRobles]

Let’s face it people don’t have time that’s why I only play single player games. I rather use my time doing that then waste my time playing online, as a father of four. I only have so many hours in a day to play.

[@SilverKitten10000]

If these companies want to make live service games, they got to make something unique and fresh. They also have to avoid getting too ambitious. And finally, they have to listen to their community. Otherwise, don’t make them. I miss the days when a single player game had its own multiplayer component😮‍💨.

[@petros-v4w]

Wait until they realize that GTA V is a live service game......