Why are people boycotting FIFTYFIFTY?

[@Cherrywinx]

Honestly I really liked your videos up until now so I was super excited about this one since I stanned Fifty fifty since their debut days. I watched the video until the end and have a few things to say and criticize. I really hope you and other people read through it until the end and hear me out aswell. First of all I really didn’t like how you downplayed their health issues. Rather than asking what more could the company do about their health issues the question should be how it could get to the point of developing these health issues under the company in the first place. Also I think it‘s very unfair to point out how it was Aran‘s own choice to postpone it (so basically giving her the complete fault for it) completely ignoring the pressure the kpop industry puts on young girls. Either you keep up and debut or you‘re out as a trainee and you expect a young girl to make responsible decisions here? To be fair the parents are also to blame here but what i‘m trying to say is to just have a tunnel vision of this is not right. Besides that you left out a lot of things from court about Attrakt, which are definitely fishy as hell. For an example regarding the amount of money Attrakt supposedly borrowed to fund fiftyfifty from Starcrew (yes he borrowed money and no he in fact did not sell his car). These were addressed on the SBS UNANSWERED QUESTIONS episode on fiftyfifty. Would‘ve also liked if you had mentioned this. Unfortunately they did not make a follow up episode due to the members going through psychological distress to the point of contemplating sui*ide. SBS also suggested that the backlash for the first episode comes from ppl suddenly being contradicted in their views because at that point attrakts mediaplay went genuinely crazy. Also I want to say something about keena. She revealed pretty early on that she is the money maker for her family, she has been working multiple jobs since she was 14 living alone in seoul. After Attrakt threatened to file a lawsuit with a big fine she probably knew she or her family could not pay it and went back. I‘m not saying its the only reason but i think you should also keep her background and family situation in mind. Another point I would‘ve liked for you to mention is that the member specifically said they cut contact with The Givers and have repeatedly emphasized that they filed the provisional injuction lawsuit on their own voliotion. Additionally another important aspect was the leaked phone call between the the givers ceo and keena‘s dad which just further proved how the givers attempted to manipulate the girls and their families. Honestly there‘s so much more like for an example company employees going to aran‘s place and terrorising her mid the lawsuit and much more stuff you just did not mention. All in all it seems for me that you used korean sources primarily which I‘m very disappointed in. This does not feel neutral at all and lacks many important aspects especially the ones against attrakt. For me personally this video just seems like the perfect result of the company’s media play and it makes me really sad that it works so well. I hope people don‘t take this video to form an opinion on the whole situation. I wish the best for every single member. If you want to know more about what was said against attrakt (like the borrowed money that ends up not making sense) I encourage you to read this good researched thread on twt with documents, video clips etc etc. x.com/fightforfifi/status/1806559767105863956?s=46 And this thread which talks about attrakts questionable behavior like the CEO Jeon Hongjoon lying to investors, contradictory statements etc. x.com/fightforfifi/status/1815041455553155507?s=46 Btw. the court is continuing with the main lawsuit on the 29th of this month.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this information down for me, I really appreciate it. I was unaware of the fishy behaviour by ATTRAKT and tbh I was way in over my head while making this video. There are clearly many things that I missed here and I’m so sorry that I didn’t do the topic justice. I usually avoid these kinds of very serious topics because I’m aware of the responsibility involved with it. Which is why I tried to back up my points with screenshots. And said that I’m not trying to tell the viewer how to feel about the situation. The reason I used mostly Korean sources was because the situation took place in Korea so I believe Korean reporters would have the most insider information and I tried to avoid mistranslations as much as I could. I showed Arans statement on the screen while I was talking (not good for the audio listeners so I’ll take that criticism and do better next time) but it doesn’t shock me that people were at her door when she walked out on a contract with (from what I’ve seen) no warning. I really hope I did not convey the situation as one size fits all and capture the nuance of it all. It’s not easy to say who’s right and who’s wrong in my opinion and I really struggled to formulate myself in this video because of that, I’m sorry if that has disappointed you, it’s sad to hear that from a viewer. The reason the video lacked many aspects was because I believed that so many people were already talking deeply about the members sides and not much about the company. The reason I focused on Aran stating that she “chose to push back her surgery” is strictly because of the narrative being pushed on tiktok that she was forced to, of which we have 0 evidence for. It’s weird to say we should listen to the members, but then go on to ignore their own statements. She said “I chose to take the risk”. The frustration came from people insisting the company forced her to not undergo treatment along with another member who had anxiety. Of which she was already receiving help from a psychiatrist. I still stand by the fact that there’s not much the company could’ve done to better support them considering they were falling unwell at a time where as a small company they needed to be promoting. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t empathise with the girls. As I said this video is mostly to debunk the falsehoods being spread by netizens, not the girls themselves. It’s not their fault people took their statements and paraphrased it in a way that was just not really true. Again, I’m sorry if this video disappointed you and I hope I articulated myself well enough in this response. Have a lovely night 💕

[@Cherrywinx]

@@Natasha.Louisee thank you for reading my comment! I understand & thanks again for taking the criticism. As I mentioned there‘s so much more about Attrakt that‘s just super weird even the ceo himself being caught following 🌽 accounts of „freshly turned 18“ girls … you really had to be there to experience the immense mediaplay at that time. Even now weird things happening for an example allegedly the 3 members have opened their instagram accounts and news outlets in korea immediately posting abt it (it ofc had a negative reaction from knetz), then it gets exposed for being fake and literally like 2 days later it gets announced that the 3 members are redebuting & the accounts are gone. Now another article stating that the stocks of iok company (the one that‘s gonna redebut the 3 members) have fallen since the announcement which again was proofed to be wrong. Really this is just my personal opinion but there‘s definitely something going on. Could you maybe pin my comment so people can at least know about these things and also get to the threads that explain the lawsuit very well for every involved party? It would mean a lot. Have a good night!

[@Natasha.Louisee]

@@Cherrywinx ofc! I pinned your comment earlier today. Again thanks for writing the things i missed, it's very important. The media play can make it hard to see where to stand because it's so incredibly divided and so many sources just say the opposite. In the end, we weren't there so we will never truly know. Only try our best to listen to both sides to the best of our ability

[@aoiumenokouji4172]

@@Natasha.Louisee Why are you letting her gaslight you first and foremost? Parents are the first line of defense in any case regarding a child's care. What matters is if the company accommodated their disabilities which the court ruled they accommodated them they best that they could w/o removing them from the environment. Attrakt was incredibly progressive with how they handled basically disabled individuals. More than what any Korean, or American company could have. The relying upon, "They were sick" takes away from the struggle that many disable people suffer to have adequate work conditions. If they were not being accommodated correctly, it was because The Givers made sure to run interference, that is clear. The company had meetings monthly with the talent, at that point, I'm sure if anyone was feeling unwell and flunked their evaluations then it would have been asked. Part of the reason a lot of people are mad is because of the probing the company did after the fact--yet they ask the company why didn't they probe the talent more before hand? Like which way do you all want it? The SBS show UNANSWERED QUESTIONS got pulled from showing ever again because MANY people wrote in from all walks of entertainment to report that their "experts" couldn't even speak on standard contract correctly as well as had no testimony from the CEO of Attrakt. Korea Broadcasting companies have an obligation to report unbaisedly during an ongoing court case and UNANSWERED QUESTIONS failed to do so. Even a KBS figure head wrote in to say what they were doing was a disgrace to unbiased reporting. There was going to be a Part ii to the FIfty Fifty incident by that same show, But due to Keena telling the show to withdrawl her testimony, Part ii could not air anyways. The account that this person link you too, Fight for Fifi, is not fluent in Korean and translated the documents BY THEMSELVES, resulting in the mistranslated and misinformation that we are all fighting so desperately against. They never speak on The Givers being sent to the procession for embezzlement, or the fact that The Givers CEO's education was faked. They keep repeating the words from the now deleted Televsioin show UNANSWERED QUESTIONS as the fact because they are clearly easily influenced by media. I think you are old enough to know when somebody is talking out of their butt to try and use your emotions against you. You are not a bad person for saying, "Protecting yourself is pivotal, all the red flags were there why did you not do it?" It's clear that the parents were the failing building block in all of this, and yet, Keena's parents some how knew better? How did Keena's father know that he needed to start recording calls with The Givers CEO and he didn't need to record calls with The Attrakt CEO? Please don't turn away from your gut feeling because somebody wants to say "They were sick the company needed to do more." And had they done more and everyone still was sick, because TRUST ME, it happens all the time where you think you are getting better and you're not (me, actually) and you have to quit your job anyways. They would still get blamed. People are equating asking "How did this happen?" As an attack, when it's a common question with answers. And that person you just pinned is telling half truths in hopes of finding an emotional vulnerability and they found it. I suggest, not being influenced so quickly and use your common sense. There *IS* a lot of stuff going on with this case, but this case isn't uncommon. If I could dumb this down for everyone to understand: It's like when somebody cheats in a relationship, and the two cheated on people fight each other instead of the person who cheated. Then the cheated on person, especially if they are a narcissists spins narratives from simple happenings to make you single out the victim they are they most angry at to take control of their image. In this case Attrakt is the target of a narcissist scammer. Attrakt may not be perfect but he who has not sinned cast the first stone. For the fact Attrakt waited, provided opportunities for a conversation minus the 3rd party, kept the court records closed to protect the former members reputation, says A LOT about how the company tried to accommodate for them. We got Disney out here trying not to pay for someone's wrongful death on their property by saying, "You bought a Disney + membership so like.. IF you die that's on you." LIKE LET'S ALL REALLY THINK HERE. They are making up "Almost died" to scare you, but people out here really dying on company time and are being negated to "You bout a subscription, TEEHEE Like TOS covers accidental death by us" Like girl, do not let these abled bodied people take over the narrative that the company didn't AT LEAST TRY. I've been through hell and highwater than to let abled bodied people start scaring the other abled bodied people with PULLED propaganda. Trust your gut. You know Keena's parents did. And they were the only people who realized something was wrong WITH THEIR CHILD, and ACTED UPON IT IMMEDIATELY. Because you see the moment their child was in danger? They mobilized. Everyone wants to say the former members were just children, so YEAH your Parents KINDA NEED TO DO SUMN. Let a mf throw away my home made kimchi? LET ALONE MY TUBBERWARE? I'm beating the breaks off them fr! For the fact they didn't and was like meh, whatever? GIRL WAKE UP!!! You are not responsible for those parents not moving heaven and earth to protect their child when they were supposed to, and you are not WRONG for even saying, eluding to, they were supposed to! And the "We filed it ourselves" is to protect the parents fyi as well as acknowledging they WERE given 3 choices. And they picked the wrong one. That is the TRUTH! Do not second guess it. Thank you for your time I'll amend typos later, I have MY OWN doctor's appointment to attend ETA: The fact they keep talking about UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, and YOU can't even go back to watch that episode speaks volumes. They are citing media you can't even go watch YOURSELF because it was pulled BY SOUTH KOREA, THEMSELVES, for being inflammatory and filled with misinformation as well as being biased. South Korea sometimes gets it wrong. But they got it so right with Loona (that's 12 SEPARATE cases), Omega X etc. We on court part iv rn. There is still an opportunity for Attrakt to lose because court can be unpredictable. However; what is true, is that Keena's PARENTS saw their child in danger and ACTED. That's all you need to gauge this situation and WHO exactly put their child's future in danger with propaganda

[@jeremyjeremy7224]

@@Natasha.Louisee 정말 잘못 알고 있네. 나간 세 명은 어트랙트 몰래 배신해서 뛰쳐나간 것이고 키나는 안성일한테 속아서 나갔다가 잘못된 걸 알고 어트랙트로 돌아온 거다. 그리고 멤버들의 건강을 비롯한 모든 것들은 기버스가 담당했다. SBS 프로그램은 거짓으로 만들어 한국에서 방송을 관리하는 조직에서 잘못됐다고 지적받았다. 외국에 떠도는 헛소문 말고 한국에서 나오는 정확한 스토리를 읽어라

[@Chuckles_The_Echidna]

I think in this situation there are 3 different types of people: 1. I side with the idols because companies are always bad 2. I side with the company because idols should be grateful they are given a chance 3. I will collect an as objective amount of information as possible before I type something up Peoples 1 and 2 are the loudest everytime. Until this video (as a new K-Pop listener) I never really had a semi-clear idea of what happened. I had avoided checking out other videos because I just wanted to listen to music but since FIFTY FIFTY and the ex-members are signed to new contracts, I figured I should check things out. I like this channel, glad this video dropped

[@queenie1010]

💯 Agree

[@hevydavy]

I side with the idols because I believe that The Givers and their parents convinced them they should. I hope they do well with their new company. And I also hope the new 50/50 group does well.

[@pinkestfawn]

if i can like a comment twice, i would

[@antinapay]

Can I copy this and spread it everywhere?

[@aoiumenokouji4172]

Keena was the only one fine and she was an Attrakt trainee. Only timr Keena wasnt fine was when she left and The Givers CEO stole her money. Like its not hard to figure out who is perpatrating against who.

[@yoonjungie]

this really shows a cultural/political divide between inetz and knetz. inetz like to frame themselves as social activists who tend to think of the idols as helpless victims of the company and like using words such as "abusive" and "oppressive" to describe the situation. whereas knetz are generally more conservative and will see the idols as "spoiled" and "ungrateful." both perspectives are hopelessly biased

[@Natasha.Louisee]

This perfectly put into words how I've been feeling about this whole situation. I was like..... "how tf are people SO divided". I guess this is why

[@CSeaSee]

Everybody is fifty fifty with this group

[@risuyami1468]

Was hoping someone said it already😂 thanks

[@ilovekokofish]

frr! i wanna stan them but idk because of the company!

[@phoenixmorphix]

BAHAHA

[@pinkestfawn]

i'm glad someone said this 😭

[@shireenrazak7160]

​@@ilovekokofish Depends if the company is actively malicious like bbc with loona. The girls are in debt because they wanted to get out of their contract without paying the legal fees. If u boycott em, u have to boycott every company since it's sadly the norm for the industry. As long the former members aren't constantly getting sued, u can support the new group. It's oso ok to boycott but like i feel like some people are over.

[@0MUZIKS4U0]

It's great to see a person who is smart and rational like you. Doing your own research, before giving opinions and making decisions. I appreciate the hard work you did for this content. ❤

[@norah672]

Thank you for this video. Initially, since I am in the international kpop sphere, I too was heavily on the girls side. But as I did my own research and read through the documents, I came to the conclusion that Attrakt was at fault in some instances (like not better supervising the Givers as the managed the girls and not providing better clarification of payments) but the rest, I think the blame goes to the Givers since they were primarily the ones that looked after and managed them (and eventually manipulated them and stole from Keena). I feel like the situations that were brought up to the CEO and direct Attrakt employees were handled okay for the most part. I don’t deny the mistreatment or pressures of the industry to push your body beyond what is reasonable but I think a lot of the blame is misplaced and Keena and the new 50/50 members are getting harassed because of this misplaced blame and frustration. Just my opinion after my research.

[@YONGSUNGKIM-e2z]

If ATTRAKT was a company that exploits idols, would composers all over the world have sympathized with ATTRAKT's CEO and sent him 2300 sample songs? If ATTRAKT was a company that exploits idols, the 5 RU NEXT contestants would not have applied for the audition. All the claims of those three liars were rejected twice in court.

[@destinyashana]

Thank you, I've Been WAITING for someone with a bigger platform to talk about this issue because the spread of misinformation on this case is Insane.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

*GASP* you think I have a bigger platform!!!!! Omg mom I made it

[@destinyashana]

@@TS-fk7ws Wheres the misinformation

[@0MUZIKS4U0]

Some words for the people out there. Just stop blaming Attrakt. Attrakt's CEO isn't the villain and never was. People who had worked with him spoke out and said nothing but praises, even though they didn't succeed as an artist under his management. And there is so much more...... This mess almost ended his life. I'm not joking. The vast majority of people in Korea are supporting Attrakt's CEO and the new Fifty Fifty for a reason. It's an unusual thing people supporting an entertainment company. They never did before and Attrakt is the first ever happened. Do you really think the vast majority of Koreans, the judges know less or are misinformed about this tragedy? It was a big issue back then and a lot of people were concerned and have followed the story. There are a lot of news, articles, contents that covered the story. If someone sincerely cares about the group Fifty Fifty...... please take your time and do your own research PROPERLY before giving opinions, making noises. Thanks.

[@babyanie4673]

Girl you’re brave, I already know they’re going to try and wack you on Twitter. Thank you for an unbiased take

[@Natasha.Louisee]

If they wreck me they clearly have no clue what they're on about so I don't mind

[@islikindaofficial]

@@Natasha.LouiseeAS YOU SHOULD!! ❤ they’re just mad that their storyline that they think is real is, in majority, not true

[@lama7763]

Sorry, but this is not unbiased like at all. It is more of a middle ground position but she clearly talks about her own opinions

[@lama7763]

And that’s not a bad thing I just wanted to point out that it isn’t considered unbiased

[@w0nyst0e]

@@lama7763She does give her opinions but she’s not forcing them into people

[@js7110]

I was in the same place thought wise until I did more reading about the situation. I’m almost always on an idols side (and in some ways I still am), but reading more and more and actually looking at what the girls said I was swayed more and more to see how gray the issue really is. I can have empathy for the girls while also realizing they really bet on the wrong horse and lost hard. I don’t particularly like the ceo, but he doesn’t seem any worse than any other kpop company ceo. I would have to stop listening to all music if I boycotted shady companies run by creepy men. I see a lot of similarities in the og girls and New Jeans, where someone they trust implicitly essentially tries to take credit for your all of your success to the point you rely on them and will do anything for them, including break contracts that could potentially bankrupt you and your entire family. I hope the og girls and the new ones both find a lot of success, it’s a tough industry and both will have some rough times ahead.

[@SolitudeDayys]

I agree. I believe they did in fact face mistreatment but the type of mistreatment is unfortunately normalized (which shouldn’t be!). The CEO, though not maliciously, F-ed up real bad and is highly incompetent. He failed miserably to manage the situation from the get go and manage the girls. He couldn’t even manage the traitor management company that caused all this mess. It’s a horrible situation overall but i just HATE how the girls are demonized for speaking up about something that MUST change and should no longer be normalized!.

[@js7110]

@@SolitudeDayys yeah honestly the encouraging them to diet stuff is gross to me, and him not being aware enough of the going’s on in his own company to realize what ASI was doing to the girls is really negligent. I don’t necessarily trust him to run anything after this debacle, but I don’t trust the CEO’s of most of the groups I stan so can I really hold that dude to a higher standard and boycott? I hope the 3 that left find some peace and hopefully succeed internationally.

[@SolitudeDayys]

@@js7110 yea I’m also not necessarily boycotting nor bothered by the line change. I just wish the other 3 girls will be given a chance to thrive.

[@theonlyreallovelyzstan]

I agree with the stance that if you boycott new fifty fifty you might as well boycott the whole industry. The whole fight for fifi movement is performative. Just look at how they’re hating on the new members when they’ve done nothing wrong. You can tell these comments didn’t do their research. The only thing I can fault attrakt for is not keeping a closer eye on the givers. Granted he was told the girls wanted to not see him, but he still should’ve kept a closer eye on the people managing them. Regarding 3Jeong I can’t help but feel ill towards them. I do feel bad about the punishment they received but hearing the things their parents said to Keena kinda rubs me the wrong way. Calling her a traitor and a backstabber all because she noticed she was getting her signature forged is not ok. It’s a shame people here are plugging their ears to the facts presented here to continue their narrative that attrakt is the main perpetrator. It reminds me of when everyone dog piled Garam and now that it came out that she’s innocent people aren’t wanting to admit they were wrong. All these people trying to imply negative tones and coming up with their own theories just to justify the boycott drives me mad. Why are the new members being punished for something they had no part in?

[@brunetteartist24]

As you said, although the girls who left can be considered "at fault", at the end of the day, unfortunately its another story of young talent being taken advantage of left and right For me, "stanning" just means their music is on my playlist sometimes, i hope both the new fifty-fifty and the old fifty-fifty can now have somewhat successful careers post the entire scandal

[@shireenrazak7160]

The adults in their life failed em. Attrakt is incompetent(i don't trust the ceo, he sucks at management) while the givers and their parents got them into this mess (original lawsuit was about poaching). It's really unfortunate since they're all so young. So im supporting both keena and 3jeong since im an og hunnie.

[@brunetteartist24]

Another small point: although i agree that it was the girl's own decision to push back her surgery and take less time off for recovery, unfortunately text messages and such do not show what the 'vibe' was like in person Like, she could be kind of encouraged to take less time off without being directly told that, but constantly implied - maybe im just playing the devil's advocate here, but idk that's also a possibility imo

[@charnaywiener]

I was thinking the same thing, too! Context and tone isn't always detectable in texts. Also, knowing what the messages said in korean could've also helped convey the tone because translations don't always produce accurate meanings.

[@brunetteartist24]

@charnaywiener im south asian, not east asian, but that kind of "younger person implied into doing something on their own will" without considering how seniority comes into play is pretty common here and from what i have noticed sk has similar culture too

[@rftg1793]

I was thinking the same thing!. It’s not that easy to get with that conclusion like the KZbinr said. It depends on the context and knowing how the industry works, their choices are always influenced by others especially older people and to note, time is always important. I hate how the industry is what it is and I think she was too cold to put the her in that scenario 🥲

[@shireenrazak7160]

The givers were also withdrawing information from the ceo to make attrakt look bad in court.

[@YONGSUNGKIM-e2z]

If ATTRAKT was a company that exploits idols, would composers all over the world have sympathized with ATTRAKT's CEO and sent him 2300 sample songs? If ATTRAKT was a company that exploits idols, the 5 RU NEXT contestants would not have applied for the audition. All the claims of those three liars were rejected twice in court.

[@SolitudeDayys]

Just a speculation regarding Aran’s claim about the company wanting her to work after surgery vs the text messages. Do not forget that Sang Il was VERY manipulative and often lied/exaggerated things to the girls. It is not a stretch to think that he likely told her that there will be some consequences to her career/group/album if she didn’t comeback. Who knows how many lies this man has told.

[@auroraragazzoni4533]

Thank you for this. I can’t stand that people are ignoring so much information to feed their narrative that “company abusive, keena bad, ex members angels, fuck the new members”, it’s so frustrating. I will keep supporting Sio, Saena and Aran, but I’ll also keep supporting fifty fifty. They’re all girls with a dream, and the three ex members were manipulated into their choice. Sadly we’ll never know the absolute truth, but yeah, acting like the “villain” is not the givers is just weird.

[@ylgn9561]

30:21. Same, I was like: "Why is she returning to an abūsive company?" And then you dug deeper.

[@sientense]

Love your content! ❤

[@Gaby-df4ge]

I just will say that this generation is so sad, people just don't read anymore, I have my own doubts about what really happened, but fake news is so reticent that you don't know what to believe, the only thing I know is that I'm not going to To be a part of this, I only wish the best to all the girls involved here, the new and original members

[@dxohwf]

im happy the 3 og girls get to debut again but im also excited for the new 5050 lineup. i hope they both become successful and especially the 3 og girls because despite what people say they were definitely wronged by the givers by being manipulated

[@dxohwf]

@@TS-fk7ws you clearly didn't watch the video or read any of the articles and court hearing results.

[@dxohwf]

@@TS-fk7ws im sorry but from what i've red, there's no concrete evidence of attrakt being the abusive one, and it's so unnecessary to boycott the new group because of that. i don't wanna contribute to potentially ruining innocent girls lives because of rumors. i will only stop supporting them when concrete evidence shows up, as of now i am waiting for their latest investigation reports.

[@dxohwf]

@@TS-fk7ws ok man you do you. not gonna change my mind and i don't think you're being truthful either.

[@dxohwf]

@@TS-fk7ws and i won't take the words of someone as condescending as you, if you educated me properly and show me concrete facts we could have a decent non-hostile conversation. but all you do is brag about how long you've been a fan.

[@skylerwhiteyo9191]

​@@TS-fk7wsdid you...not watch the video?

[@blacklikethesun]

22:00 just to be fair. Modhaus doesn't have any strict dieting rules and tripleS members can eat pretty much whatever they want. Many of them are just into fitness though of their own accord. Some aren't.

[@melonpeach9723]

You have a platform, and you need to use it responsibly. Because of your plethora of misinformation, several defenders of soliciters of evil behavior are getting a platform to speak, and spread misinformation. Accusing the girls of “betraying,” their ceo (who is evil), and saying that people who believe all companies are evil are “wrong.” This is perpetuating victim-blaming. - A disappointed viewer.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I never said the girls betrayed their ceo. They have no obligation to do right by him. If they wanted to leave to better their career, I wouldn’t shame them for that. It’s important for the girls to put themselves first in a sea of company ceos who probably don’t care about them. And I also never said that people who believe all companies are evil are wrong. I just said it’s a lot easier to just make it a black and white “company bad girls good” than actually dig deep into both sides. Standing by the side of a company isn’t something I’ve ever done. Being objective and picking at both sides isn’t me siding with the ceo or even me feeling bad for the ceo. Me finding the members statements to be strange and contradictory isn’t me siding with the ceo, it’s me being sceptical of the givers. Of whom keena has already outed as the string pullers of this whole situation. “I’m not throwing a pity party for the ceo of ATTRAKT. If the company CEOs were on fire and I had a cup of water in my hand, I’d probably drink it”- my own words. People tell us to listen to the girls, to what they said in their statements, yet run around telling lies that the company forced their members to not undergo life saving surgery which I cited as my reasons for even making this video. I said the reason I made it was because of the lies being spread by the media, not by the girls. People are being gaslit by fans who haven’t even read the member statements. And the truth of the matter is, if you wanna boycott ATTRAKT, you can shove all of the other kpop companies in there too because the only actual claim from the girls was dieting

[@havensohn3821]

I always have to take the side of the girls that left cause there's no way the true "villain" of this whole mess is a bunch of young girls who just wanted to fulfill their dreams. Idol life is brutal and it was obvious with the various hiatuses the members took for their health. Now that they are in BILLIONS OF WON in debt along with that pos givers dude, I think we should give them a chance since their korean audience effectively turned their backs on them and sided with a company.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I take the side of ALL 4 girls. Keena and the 3 girls who stood their ground on their lawsuits. They're too young to be at fault here in my opinion and were all manipulated and used by middle aged men

[@emmityemmity6159]

I really want the people who are commenting this is biased and misinformation to actually cite proof than just saying “this is false”. This isn’t me trying to be snarky either, this is a genuine question. if they believe there is misinformation, why aren’t they citing info for people to look at?

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Exactly. I need some screenshots to disprove what I said. Someone said "dispatch is an unreliable source"..... ok then what about Keena? Is she also an unreliable source 💀

[@SolitudeDayys]

The girls suffered the unfortunate normalized treatment that a lot of companies often practice. I-netz and k-netz have always felt sorry for idols that brought up these issues YEARS into their debut and are often met with sympathy and tears. The 3 girls brought these issue up very early into their careers but were met with backlash where their complaints were often labeled as “this is normal”, “you’re spoiled”, “others had it worse”. Point is, their company is incompetent either ways, they couldn’t manage the girls properly nor manage the company that they hired that stabbed them in the back. They weren’t traitors, they jumped ship early but they unfortunately did not land on a lifeboat.

[@andreapaola2750]

Fvck both companies, i hate how a lot of people say "the givers are the abusers" as if artttack are 100% innocent, bro, they're literally using the abuse of the former members to promote the new lineup with stuff like "now it's fully balance" and all the videos of keena being alone and sad until the new girls comeup I'll personally boycott the group but I don't think it worth that much (example as loona case) because I know they will milk cupid success with no kpop listeners that wouldnt know all the situation+ how knetz talk about the group

[@emmityemmity6159]

Right now, Attrakt isn’t making any money off of Cupid. I think they haven’t for the past year or so bc The Givers stole the rights away. I just know the Givers profits from it rn are frozen bc of the pending lawsuit. Agreed, I’m not for either company. Because while The Givers were the abusers, Attrakt was negligent on keeping tabs on their talent which made an environment where they could do that. I just hope Attrakt had some internal reorganization so this doesn’t happen again. I agree that the Keena video was a bit much. I understand talking about it because it was a huge topic, esp in Korean media. I wish they highlighted more of how she said how she knows herself better. Like what did she learn about herself and stuff like that.

[@InfinityX00]

"How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again."

[@rakim5383]

Personally, i don't think a hit like cupid will happen again, but the company seems so confident, which makes me think they are cooking something huge, who knows

[@thebivi]

@@rakim5383 Only time will tell, as there are many factors that go into a song going viral, and now there is the removal of the two voices that defined Cupid. I wonder what the other two members aside from the ones we’ve heard sing sound like. I wonder if they’re trying to get voices similar or completely different to the original group in the new lineup.

[@emmityemmity6159]

Only time will tell. If the debut is successful I can see them comfortably being a mid/upper-mid tier girl group. Unless they somehow become digimons in Korea. Not sure if that will happen, but the Korean Public is veryyyyy interested in the new fifty fifty debut. So far, all the introductory trailers of the girls have trended in the top 10 on KZbin Korea.

[@thebivi]

@@emmityemmity6159 Ah, well, that certainly makes things interesting. I do have a feeling that some fans of other groups will try and attack the new Fifty Fifty lineup if they prove to be successful (that happens to really any group, though).

[@goldyd144]

(BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO) I'm so happy to see this video pop up on my feed! I've been 50-50 (lol) on the allegations between both parties. Something about completely villianizing the former members, villianizing the Artrakt, or giving full support to either the new members lineup (or recently, the former members) felt...weird. From my own research, the clear bad actor here was always the Givers. So it always kind of rubbed me the wrong way to see fans take an "Artrakt bad" of "Fifty Fifty members bad" stance so vehemently. I'm curious to see your take on the situation!

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I hope you enjoy the video my love~ 💕💕💕

[@emmityemmity6159]

Agreed!! And I feel like a lot of the loudest people in this whole situation are the ones who either a) don’t actually know the full situation or b) were never fiftyfifty stans to begin with

[@phoenixmorphix]

THANK YOU!!! I've been following the OT4 group and this case before it made its way to Twitter, and the situation is much more nuanced than the black vs. white (or 50/50) narrative that's being promoted. I haven't seen a situation this heated and controversial since the Kim Garam issue, so I'll just wait until a clear picture is developed. I really hope OT3 & OT5 Fifty Fifty succeed because they definitely all deserve the support! 🫶

[@goldyd144]

​@@Natasha.Louisee I did! I think the only points that I have some contention with you on is about Aran's surgery, but only really in the way you got your point across (not the actual point itself). Here's what I mean: Many people in the comments are pointing out that she could've been pressured behind the scenes to delay her surgery, but I don't necessarily think that's true. Using myself as an example - I remember a time where I was so sick that I was approaching death's door myself, and I still showed up to work everyday. My superiors weren't pressuring me to go to work whatsoever. I was the one who chose to go to work, choosing to let my symptoms worsen overtime until I was so sick that I couldn't wait any longer. The pressure was entirely of my own making because I wanted to provide for myself and my family member, who was living with me at the time and couldn't provide for themselves. Without her explicitly stating pressure from the company, I really don't think there's a reason to infer that that happened. Based on her own words, she's the one who wanted to end her recovery. If it's anything pressuring her, it's toxic working culture that prioritizes making money to survive over the health and safety of the populace. Korea in particular also has a toxic work culture in general that also prioritizes face and reputation in addition to that. Aran is far from the only idol to choose to compromise their health for their idol career, and it's not necessarily the company's fault just because the situation is icky. I think the way you tried to word this point, however, was a bit too analytical, and fans won't get it. We can already see it in the comments. I do get your point though. Can't wait to see fans take this point out of context on Twitter though, lol 😅😂

[@lama7763]

I love hearing your take on it and getting the full story, but I do think you should look into the pressures of the Kpop industry because although she says she chose to come back early to work on the comeback the overall environment of the K-pop industry and being an idol or trainee puts a lot of pressure into not looking after yourself and I feel like that dynamic should be spoken about more (even though we cannot know for sure)

[@lama7763]

Also, something that you say seems like you don’t know anything about mental health (try not to bash you) but like around 12:50 It just feels very ignorant (like even if you are seeing someone you can figure out what triggers your anxiety, and working around and the company can make reasonable accommodations to try not to trigger it)

[@lama7763]

Also you kind of brush it off by saying that the company didn’t cause the health problems, but they’re still forcing strict dieting which really does cause and prevent health problems from recovering or improving

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I understand this. I did try to come at it more analytically rather than emotionally. I personally have anxiety. I had it to the point I could barely leave the house in early 2023. My point was more of she is already receiving treatment there's not much the company can do for her. People act like they refused her treatment or something the way they talk about it

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I'm more coming at it from debunking what other people are saying about the idols too. Not just their statements. I understand and did state it at the end of the video. But the public are blaming the company for their health by spreading lies that they withheld treatment

[@lama7763]

@@Natasha.Louisee I’m kind of going against what you’re suggesting and commenting as I go just because this is really long video and hard to keep track of 😂

[@theonlyreallovelyzstan]

I also find it so fishy that people won’t take what Keena said seriously when she had the proof to back it but are blindly believing 3Jeong. That makes no sense to me

[@shireenrazak7160]

Keena was the least popular one probably, people call her an abuse supporter when the givers, who the girls were siding with, forged her signature and took her rights for cupid. Then she actually met up with attrakt and realised she was manipulated.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Literally. How are people in my comment section trying to say I’m wrong for this video when keena literally confirmed everything I said? “We should listen to the girls!” Until it doesn’t fit their victim narrative

[@Natasha.Louisee]

@@TS-fk7ws ok

[@chelleange1s]

the givers are obviously 100% to blame, but i think attrakt definitely takes some fault too as they were entirely neglectful. none of this probably would’ve ever happened had the attrakt ceo been more involved w/ 3jeongs as he made no attempt to get to know them & was doing god knows what during this whole thing.

[@chelleange1s]

also apparently one of attrakt’s new investors was found guilty on false claims(?) so it seems the ceo is just not that smart… or too trustworthy

[@Alice074p7]

@@chelleange1s yes regarding that Attrakt is distancing themselves from David Yong now, Almost no investment was made by him, David Yong only invested a small amount of shares as a minority shareholder, but the 10 billion won investment was hardly made and Attrakt suffered no damage

[@_postershuhua]

im so glad im not the only one who thinks this, attrakt and the givers debuted the group together, and to only blame the givers to the mismanagement of the group is unfair

[@emmityemmity6159]

This is my stance as well!! The Givers were the abusers but Attrakt did unknowingly make an environment for the Givers to take advantage of and abuse them. I just hope some internal stuff was worked around so the new fifi don’t fall into the same issues. I think probably so because the whole situation was very public.

[@emmityemmity6159]

But yeah the ceo is an idiot still lmao

[@iamweird-ei7s]

I have consistently been very confused on the situation because yes it does look pretty bad for the members and their health issues but that's also something that companies usually have. In fact, other videos leave out so much information because I hadn't even known about the snacks thing and some other stuff. I usually refrain from commenting because the entire situation is messed up but this video really put it into perspective. Keena's statement also made so much more sense because when it first came out channels were making videos and I remember the whole thing about the Giver's CEO. Tbh, in any situation the girls faced the worst of it all but at the same time I can't defend them nor can I discredit their problems which makes it even more tricky.

[@blkblnkinurarea8139]

This is the most clear and unbiased video I have seen on this topic, especially compared to kookielit.

[@kcxkassy8602]

Kookilet cares about nothing but views. They will bend for popular opinion and nothing else

[@soomi]

Kookielit is a content farm, allegedly

[@Pookasoul]

To me, the Girls had always, since the beginning, seemed very manipulated by an outside source. I'm Not the Kind of Person to usually siding with companies, since they are usually the one's in the Power Position, but their Statements had so many Red Flags and contradictions since the beginning, that I was one of the people saying "wait.... I think Attrakt is right, and they are being influenced by someone". So to me, the fact that it was The Givers and their parents, wasn't really a Schock. I feel Bad for all 4 of them and I hope that the New Fifty Fifty, as Well as the other 3 members, can become wiser and still find another chance to achieve their dreams. But The Givers really should pay. They were the real perpetuators.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Even reading (specifically Arans) statements it was clearly not written by them or at least with the help of someone. Whether that be the givers or a lawyer. I’m just pissed of at the comments being annoyed at me for not speculating and actually just looking at the information given. “But what if she felt pressured by the company” well she didn’t say that so that’s not a fact “but what if but what if” omg the whole situation of people trying to turn back history and act like Keena didn’t already squash this whole thing is driving me insane

[@Pookasoul]

@@Natasha.Louisee It's definitely annoying as heck. I also keep reading the same assumptions, and I can't count, how many debates I've had with people over this, since it began, having even to share the court documents, for them to get that No one was misstreated by Attrakt. If anything, they had been misstreated by The Givers or their parents. Or even both. It was so clear that this was another Case of very young girls, rookies in the industry, being told what to do by outside sources, and the perpetuators relying on Fandoms to twist the narrative in their favor and support them.

[@SolitudeDayys]

If i were in their place i would have also believed the givers. The givers literally built their image, sound, public image. I would definitely side with the people that pushed to me the top. It’s unfortunate that Sang Il turned up to be the devils spawn tho.

[@alexgreys4654]

i"m honestly so sad for the girls , hopefully the can redebut and their talents wouldn't go to waste

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

They are redebuting. The other three signed under a company and they will be debuting at some point

[@shireenrazak7160]

​​@@AUGHHHHHBBG IOK is pretty incompetent oso but u shouldn't really expect much from kpop companies. I hope the former members the best, aran was my bias :')

[@r.s.w.k4569]

There are no angels in this story. The worst offender was the givers dude. Clearly a piece of shit. The members probably did experience a lot of those hardships. Almost every idol goes through some or all of the crappy shit like dieting, overwork, etc. I think they got exploited by the givers dude, but they shouldn’t have betrayed their CEO. The Attrakt CEO is probably no angel either with the harsh diets, overwork, etc.

[@maratrar7036]

If you had been following all the events, you wouldn't be writing such nonsense. The CEO of ATTRAKT didn't force anyone. Look at the text messages between him and Keena. He only advised eating properly and avoiding junk food to stay in good shape for the debut. You also didn’t mention the surgery and the month of rest given to all the members! Even though with that kind of surgery, people usually return to work in a week, two at most. What you wrote was exactly what ASI intended-getting people to think of ATTRAKT in that negative light.

[@user-theims]

Attrakt CEO was an angel compared to every other company CEOs. Read the evidence

[@yellew6246]

people from tiktok should watch this

[@Neon-l5d]

the real victim here is the ceo of attrakt

[@luckymesyndrome]

girl bfr

[@kcxkassy8602]

I say fuck both companies 🤷🏽‍♀️ im personally not supporting the new fifty fifty bc I do believe smth happened to the girls to make them stand their ground. The most I can do is wish the best for the new girls but, god forbid, if another lawsuit comes out against the compnay, smth nefarious is going on over there and they got lucky the first time bc they were dealing w/ an even worse company. I will be supporting the 3 former members group though bc after all these ppl playing in their faces (parents included), they should have a chance at their dreams w/o so many hands in the pot.

[@Protopred]

It's great to see a video on this trying to explain the situation in great length and without all the bias! I totaly share your anger about all those morons refusing to inform themselfs at all and just attack everyone who did, and reached a different conclusion. Also I'm sure none of those people will watch more than 2 minutes of your video and just attack you anyways.. Also just one important thing I want to add that you did not mention, is that according to Keena the other members refused to communicate with Attrakt and only the Givers and their parents did all the talking. Like in most situations, once communication breaks down, nothing good will happen afterwards and here the outcome for the girls is devastating.

[@rosedive87]

im rooting for the new fifty fifty and attrakt (hate me however you want at least im not stupid and delusional)

[@kanakanaa.]

oh you definitely are

[@rosedive87]

@@kanakanaa. you lack the ability to read and are easily influenced by others without fact checking.

[@niaaajoy777]

i’m never one to comment on videos, even tho i’ve watched all your videos as soon as they come out but i have to say this was incredibly helpful. Good job on ur research and guts to put everything out there knowing the devil (twitter) will come for you lmao. You are what the kpop community needed all along

[@DumiNihi]

Personally the ceo's creepy behaviour is what did it for me

[@passionfruits4]

youve honestly really changed my view on it, hearing it from someone who acknowledges all sides and is clearly educated on their stuff really helps you understand the situation

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Make sure to also look at other videos before making up your mind~ It's always good to get a diverse mix of opinions when it's about something super serious because I missed some stuff in this video ❤️❤️❤️

[@passionfruits4]

​@@Natasha.Louisee for sure, ive done my own research too, especially when its for a serious cause like this and i will still choose to not stan this group. however, i do feel you have been able to articulate your opinion with sufficient evidence, whereas a lot of videos ive seen have been aimlessly spreading claims with zero evidence to back them up, so i was unable to understand the situation fully

[@stoopy_anushka]

thank you for giving me an answer to my question finally 😭

[@taaleyakhan3134]

So basically, the CEO of the givers is a POS that manipulated and gaslighted the poor girls! I have sympathy for the other three girls because even their parents were against them going back to Attrakt and maybe that solidified their stance of not giving up the lawsuit against the company. But one thing I don't is why didn't Attrakt ever official have a meeting with the Warner brothers Korea and why didn't they check over how the members were treated under "the givers" management. So many unanswered questions that will probably never get answered. Anyways my conspiracy theory for the boycott is that none of this people are actually fans of fifty fifty and seeing the strong line up of the re grouped members (Chanelle and Yewon being so loved by the viewers of the survival show) scares them that they have the potential to outdo their faves and repeat history? I know it's a stretch, but do you think they really care if the members were being mistreated or not? They just can't handle a "nugu" group outselling the big 3/hype groups. Now just see how "Bad villain is supposedly copying babymonster" when their sounds are so different and honestly YG wishes it did what bad villain's company did with their debut.

[@lolanxtdoor]

the boycott has been going on since last year

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

The boycott been happening before this so that logic is flawed

[@taaleyakhan3134]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG oh okay so maybe they just don't to see fifty fifty succeed regardless of who they are

[@taaleyakhan3134]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG thank you for that information and since i wasn't sure about it I said " conspiracy theory"

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@taaleyakhan3134 it's not about the girls at all. It's about the company. People don't want attrackt to get money so that's why they are boycotting. Most people don't got anything against the new girls themselves (and alot of people who do just hate the girls themselves ain't aren't even in the boycott)

[@irissu02]

I must say i disagree a bit with you about the "she chose to postpone the surgery herself" when i don't think we can 100% say she wasn't under pressure. Like you said the comeback date was already set so she probably did feel stuck, if the company really cared they would have made her do the surgery first and then comeback because postponing a health surgery can really be harmful in the long run. They were the adults here and they knew better but they were happy to go along with the "she doesn't feel like it's important right now". Not saying what you saud isn't true but i just personally cannot believe it was not a decision taken without outside pressure said outright or not

[@markigirl2757]

Then why did she say it the way. She should of said she was forced

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I get your point, I’m feeling weird about it too. But if there was company pressure I wonder why she didn’t include it in her statement? The only reason I highlighted it is because people are genuinely walking around confidently stating that “the company forced her” while her own statement says otherwise. I don’t really believe she would’ve left out company pressure especially since this was her reasoning for the lawsuit. If she was pressured she would’ve definitely included it, no?? But maybe I’m wrong

[@w0nyst0e]

Even if she felt pressured she had the chance to get the surgery but she chose not to. Unless they legitimately said “we can’t keep working with you if you get the surgery but the choice is on you” or something like that I fail to see how that’s the companies fault.

[@VyctoriaBrooks]

I agree with you. I think people don’t realize how reputations work. If she said the company put her under pressure, she’s blaming the company and other companies might not want to work with her because they would see her as a difficult investment. So I think it’s weird people need to have some voice something like that not understanding that sometimes you can’t say everything due to your reputation. And the comments here saying she should have said something is ignorant. It’s giving the same energy when an assault victim comes forward and people blame them for not speaking up sooner. Sometimes three are pressures that we as the public are unaware of.

[@dxohwf]

and then it turns out the one pressuring her to work was Ahn Sung Il but she can't say no because he's "on their side" 😂

[@markigirl2757]

At least the other three are debuting and maybe I’m being too hopeful but I hope they settle and that them redebuting they can get support from international fans and help with paying off the debt they owe to attrakt that way. I’ll casually Stan for now since I’m looking forward to Chanelle debuting (as long as the music good lol) and I’ll still check out the other girls music as well. I stanned Bestie and Exid who had a similar situation (not abuse involved tho)

[@imnotbonnie]

"i failed to see how it's the company fault" A serious company would have either pushed back the release or let the member sit out of the promotions. That kind of pressure one feels that they HAVE to put their own health at risk for the sake of their work comes from outside, not from whitin, meaning it is the company's way of working that led her to this point to begin with.

[@Rubylolo13212]

Thank you for making this video it was very informative even though things are still murky.

[@frankeeramirez5241]

I don't get how idols have social anxiety. Like is that not your job

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I thought it too. But I think that it's possible she could've developed it after already being an idol. At that point, already stuck in a contract

[@soomi]

Finally a kpop youtuber who gets the truth right and who won't just blatantly echo what the kids on tiktok and twitter claim. THANK YOU. And people acted like I was crazy after doing my research and coming to my wildly different conclusions vs. what all other people were saying.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

When I did my research, i was convinced that I was reading a different story to everyone else. Because.... huh? The blatent lies being spread was actually quite humorous

[@soomi]

@@Natasha.Louisee Yeah I followed a youtuber Soullite TV and he reported on the whole case so wildly differently last year in the moment when it happened, so I was so confused why international fans were SO opposite. Even Ploopy - another big kpop youtuber - basically said in her video as well that the CEO of Attrakt was proven innocent over and over. What more do these fans want? I really hope people won't ignore your video and I am glad you sparked up the conversation again in this area of time. People are sending unnecessary hate to the new members of Fifty Fifty and it's absurd :(

[@Alterstruct]

Im not a korean fan but im sided with the company

[@luckymesyndrome]

youre weird then

[@Alterstruct]

How is that weird? I can side with who i want how does me siding with the side that most international fans dont support make me weird

[@luckymesyndrome]

@@Alterstruct because attrakt has been proven wrong in all the points they've stated

[@a.a677]

@@luckymesyndrome proven wrong by who? because it's certainly not the courts lmao, all the court rulings have been on attrakt's side

[@OGseoulite]

The abuse allegations were enough to turn me away from anything the group or company does. That was all I needed to know not to support them.

[@phoenixmorphix]

What sucks is that Dispatch already released a lot of evidence proving that The Givers promoted these allegations to steal the OT4 from attrakt and sign them under Warner Brothers Korea, but it's never acknowledged even by the justice4fifi account on Twitter.

[@teresa18870]

Same, I don’t know how as a fan of Chanelle or yewon, you would want to support the fact that they signed under an abusive company.

[@phoenixmorphix]

The timeline of events on Twitter is missing a lot of stuff. Noticably, Ahn Sung Il, Warner Brothers Korea, and Dispatch. As someone who was following the OT4 and the case day 1, I just want to say this issue is very nuanced than it's being portrayed on Twitter.

[@phoenixmorphix]

I hope I wrote this nicely. 😅🫶 Sorry if it came off the wrong way. 😅😅

[@Diameansday]

14:53 you said on june 3rd 2022, but the girls hadn't even debuted yet 😭😭😭

[@coco74836]

Thank you so much for this video and the work you put into it! I've been curious about this case, but I honestly didn't know who to believe, because everyone feels so strongly about it. I didn't realize there's been so much misinformation being spread.

[@jada.177]

honestly, i am very happy to hear that chanelle is debuting even though it's with attrakt. i was kinda of upset with her decision, not bcz I'm not stanning but bcz of the 'higher' possibility of abuse happening. (i know that just bcz a company is exposed for abuse, doesn't mean that they are more likely to). i feel like people felt a sense of protection towards the former FF girls and so when new girls were announced, they were outraged that the company actually was replacing them. I just hope all the girls are safe and happy. I hope more that the fandom doesn't have infinity beef just because of the higher-ups.

[@thebivi]

@@jada.177 I’m wondering now how bad the solo stanning will be within this new lineup, as there are people who didn’t really like Fifty Fifty before but are Chanelle fans.

[@markigirl2757]

Depending on the music I will loosely Stan for Chanelle

[@emmityemmity6159]

@@thebiviI have a feeling she and/or Keena will have the most solo stans, for Chanelle like you said and Hunnies who hate Attrakt but still like Keena. Though hopefully, because a lot of the bashing the girls are undeserving of, a strong ot5 fandom can emerge for the ones choosing to stan.

[@queenie1010]

I'm honestly confused about this scandal I'm a new kpop stan only been for like 2 years and never stan fifty fifty so when I saw this new scandal blow I was soo confused and I felt like people weren't talking about the important bits so im just staying out of the scandal and group it's self hopefully I don't sound rude 😊

[@auroraragazzoni4533]

As someone who has been following fifty fifty ever since their very first song and has followed every bit of news from the lawsuit, I was also confused. Like, people were just leaving out so much detail for no reason other than feeding their own narrative. They seemed to think that Attrakt was BlockBerry creative 2.0 but that’s really not the case While I love the girls, I understand wanting to stay out of it, it’s a big ol’ mess

[@auroraragazzoni4533]

Could you please link the articles you read? I think it would be interesting to read them

[@weeabooper]

Hot take: but I think their situation is almost exactly like what happened when BBC tried to slander Chuu, but since they were extremely new in their careers and they didn't have the amount of industry people and domestic fans to vouch for them that Chuu did, they were much more easily painted as villains

[@chelleange1s]

mmm i would say this case is way more similar to mhj vs. hybe which is also very interesting bc knetz have almost always been on mhj & newjeans’ side. just shows nugus will probably never be respected in the industry…

[@OGseoulite]

@@chelleange1snahh the first person was right with their comparison. MHJ and the Hybe situation are NOT the same as this let alone comparable

[@chelleange1s]

@@OGseoulitei mean it kinda is… both nj & 5050 are new groups who achieved massive amounts of success despite being rookies and the adults around them want to take advantage of that. mhj was quite literally doing the same exact thing the givers were doing, but was caught quick enough so she couldn’t carry out her plan. the only difference is that newjeans hasn’t come out with any claims of abuse. i can see the similarities with loona, but it’s not fully there… that’s just me tho

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@chelleange1sI mean knetz like siding with whoever they hate the least. Only reason why they siding with MHJ a is because they hate BSH more. For most cases they aren’t for the idols

[@emmityemmity6159]

I’d have to disagree. During the BBC suit, no one was on their side and it was 100% clear with no room for doubt that Chuu was innocent. I think a really important part you’re missing out on in your take is that Chuu and LOONA all had the courts on their side which was the reason they won their case. The fifty fifty one has a lot more going on with A is good and B is bad and have had their cases thrown out or lost so I’d agree with the person who is saying it’s like MHJ vs HYBE.

[@w0nyst0e]

I’m not going to support the new fiftyfify unless I actually like the new music but imo I don’t blame the company (fully) and I don’t blame the girls I fully blame that one dude who actually got prosecuted (I forgot his name). I

[@emmityemmity6159]

His name is Ahn Sung Il

[@Simplyyrosie2]

❤another really good video!

[@juliasjingles]

i reeaallly appreciate that you made a video about this!! i agree with most of your points and your debunking 😋😋

[@thebivi]

EDIT: I’ll update this in the future once things settle down. I’m curious to see how this will play out in the future. I myself didn’t really look too much into it and only saw the member statements as you shared earlier in the video. From what I know now, it certainly seems like there was some manipulation on the side of The Givers, so I don’t really blame the members for the initial lawsuit. On the topic of the original three members, I’m glad they are signed to a different company now; however, it will certainly not be easy for them now as their reputation has been ruined, and I’m not sure if bigger international support will be able to keep them afloat. As for the new Fifty Fifty lineup, I don’t blame Keena, nor do I blame the other girls from joining the lineup. Considering how they may only hear the positive Korean response, it makes sense that they would want to join, especially Chanelle and Yewon, who have fanbases from RUNext. I think that if the K-Pop industry wasn’t so ageist, that perhaps they may have chosen a different route as they would have options, but as they are 21 and 19 respectively, those are not as available to them as they would be to a younger trainee. I don’t believe it’s fair how Chanelle is taking a lot of the backlash, especially because she is from America and has a fan base, and I think the people who wish to boycott the company should direct their energy into promoting the other three original members instead of hating (they will likely need all the promotion they can get with how things are right now). I think that even if they changed the group name, that they would still get hate, and it makes more sense to keep it. Think about cases like T-ara and AOA, where they still kept their names even with scandals, although I do realize that they were more into their careers than Fifty Fifty is now. So yeah, that was my little rant. I’m going to try and stay neutral for now between the company and the members as this is still a developing case. Very curious to look back and see how this situation is in the future, and if the new members end up staying for their entire contracts or leaving like the original three did.

[@markigirl2757]

Same I originally wasn’t going to support bc I didn’t want to support abuse if there is any chance of it however I certainly wasn’t gonna hate or ridicule anyone that did decide to support ff 2.0 since the Koreans wanted this and I trusted their judgement over the international fans who can easily get manipulated or manipulated the situation based on their bias cultural lens’s on Korean culture as a whole. The Koreans know best and perhaps it’s questionable at best to outsiders but who are we to judge? If it’s such a problem international fans need to completely withdraw support from everything K-pop and focus on their own countries music industry. I’m also excited for Chanelle bc she was my favorite from ru next and I really want to see her debut and hear her voice once more and if the music is good I will casually listen and hope for the best. As you said time will tell and I’ll withdraw any support if more credible evidence of abuse does occur upon the new line up

[@Winnangh]

Okay... I have a genuine question. Is Attrakt only suing the Givers and the parents of the Fifty Fifty members, or are the members themselves being sued for the entire quite frankly insane amount of money news publications are brandying about. I'm aware the members are being sued for breach of contract, but is that the same thing? Because that's a big nuance that I think would make or break my stance on this entire situation and whether to give a chance for the new Fifty Fifty when they debut. I agree though, whatever actually happened is clearly messy, and there doesn't seem to be a clear cut "bad side" in this (that we know of). The members were clearly used. It's just a sad story all around.

[@emmityemmity6159]

The girls too since I’m pretty sure it’s a breach of trust/contract case

[@dxohwf]

i think the givers ceo is definitely clear cut bad, man literally forged signatures to steal song rights. and that's just one of the many things he did. but the other parties idk

[@HetaliaLovino]

Thanks for a great video! As a international fan I have to say my opinion is pretty similar to yours. I don’t blame the 3J for their choices as they were young but I also don’t agree with the narrative that Attrackt is this horrible company. The CEO was trying to grow and expand his small company so he chose to focus on the business side while trusting the Givers with the girls management. But that’s literally the only complaint that I have about him. The CEO just seems like he trusted the wrong person and that was his biggest mistake. Other than that the Attrackt CEO sounds just like any other Kpop company CEO in the industry. He’s not an angel and probably still has questionable things about him, but he’s not a complete villain. There are other kpop CEOs that are questionable but don’t get boycotted. Also I keep seeing people being up his previous management of group Hotshot from when he was under Star Crew Entertainment. They make it seem like that is more “proof” behind his “poor” character but HotShot never seemed to have any problems with abuse. Their main problem was poor management which is hardly a problem that only they faced. Lastly I have to agree with some of the other commenters that have pointed this boycott as performative activism because that’s what it feels like. Knowing the history of IOK with Alice, the fact that the CEO was just given a prison sentencing and that the new CEO has quite the questionable legal background also is strange. People are Boycotting Attrackt for all these different reasons, but then they have already decided to support the 3J’s new company which has a bad history as well.

[@Stay_Zerose]

Say it with me "The Givers are the problem"

[@islikindaofficial]

SHUT UP YALL THE GODDESS OF BEAUTY HERSELF HAS POSTED

[@OGseoulite]

Relax dude

[@islikindaofficial]

@@OGseouliteWdym? It’s a fact. 😅

[@Xile179]

@@OGseouliteshut up

[@OGseoulite]

@@Xile179 cry👐🏽

[@OGseoulite]

@@islikindaofficial I wasn’t being serious hun turn off your defense response lol😂😂. I’m pretty sure she’d be the first one to tell you she’s a human being herself lmao. No harm no foul in either of our comments, just vibes dude.

[@realitykenzies]

I am supporting fifty fifty in their new comeback bc of the members!! I hope the people who would hate on Keena and the other members would watch your whole video and understand that people should not attack the stans of Fifty Fifty.

[@1001weeks]

im so glad you talked about this because i was so annoyed with people spreading lies and misinformation. i hope this video reaches tt and twt stans

[@Natasha.Louisee]

They don't have the attention span to watch the whole video. They'll just harass me in the comments without watching it 😂😂

[@florlscnt]

I just hope the girls get justice for what happened to them

[@HectorH-M]

Koreans support Attract Ent. and the reformed group, but international fans support the 3 girls that left and signed with a new company.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I did think that was interesting. Because obviously the original information was in Korean and a lot of publicists have been called out for translating things in a way that favours one side or another

[@HectorH-M]

@@Natasha.Louisee The whole situation is just messy. In my opinion, Attract should change the group's name and start fresh. I still have mixed emotions regarding the situation, which is why I'm so conflicted whether I should follow the group or not. I have liked their debut song, FYI.

[@cinnamaricat]

i really appreciate you doing so much research not everyone is able to do it (i know bc i'm one of those people unless it's a group i stan my adhd won't let me do that much) and i feel like i finally form an opinion using the information you showed i believe the givers are the company we should be boycotting the evidence is telling me exactly like you said fifty fifty was manipulated and keena is the biggest piece of evidence in favor of this bc if what they said was true there's no reason to go back to attrakt i'll be supporting all the idols both the former and current members probably not stanning but i want to support 3 former members bc they're going to redebut together and the new fifty fifty lineup too bc really they just want to debut and they're getting too much flak from kpop stans who just parrot info from tiktok

[@Hyun_kwan]

Thank you for being honest

[@traceankunda4949]

Apparently that CEO of givers has a history of making artists leave their companies. He has carried out similar scams( allegedly) My opinion, i don't think fifty fifty had established a fanbase and this is just another "trend" that's going on for them they actually don't care.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I’ve heard this too but I’ve yet to see any evidence so I didn’t put it in the video. Although it wouldn’t shock me in the slightest

[@elf._.777]

Your way of speaking is so eloquent

[@Ten.ofcups]

Such a good video, everything is well researched. You’re a rarity in the K-pop community.

[@yooyeonie]

this video really changed my mind abt the situation, i want to look into the situation more too, and i think people should support fiftyfifty instead of punishing the girls more

[@emmityemmity6159]

A good place to start in my opinion for English sources is reddit for different conversations on the topic. It’s very different in opinion than what you see on TikTok and Twitter.

[@zZZ-lm3ms]

I think both the members and attrakt were in bad positions, both have some certain part of responsibility on all of this, but I think most of it falls on attrakt. The members sued attrakt because they had the contract with them, not with the givers. It’s was attrakt’s responsability to take care for the girls, they may have not been the ones mistreating them/not being transparent with the money, but they were the ones who hired the givers. The girls were manipulated, and signed up for things they didn’t want, but they did and should be held accountable, however, we have to remind ourselves they are still teenagers who were influenced to do bad decisions. The givers are “the bad ones” here, and should be the ones crucified, not the members or attrakt. Also, I want to say that even though the members could have had bad intentions with all of this, you should have not hated them that much, they are still young, and everyone makes mistakes, and with this horrible reaction you just set the future for many idols who are/will be mistreated and simply wont come out. I personally will not be standing fifty fifty since I believe the company didn’t manage the situation well and sued them for that much.

[@zZZ-lm3ms]

24:43 Yes, it is his fault, he paid the givers to take care of the members, while it was not his intention for this to happen, the blame still relays on him as de CEO who was responsible for the well being of the members.

[@karina0462]

The givers didn't notify ATTRAKT about some health issues (Keena explained that in her interview), and once the CEO of ATTRAKT found out he gave all the members 2 months to rest

[@zZZ-lm3ms]

@@karina0462 I’m not saying he’s evil or that the givers are innocent (neither I’m saying the girls are as well) I’m saying that attrakt had the legal responsibility to care for the member’s well being, and since they didn’t have the resources/personal (whatever) to fill those needs, they had to contract the givers to do so, and there before everything that the givers did wrong, would fall onto attrakt’s shoulders (legally). The girls didn’t have a contract with the givers and if they were mistreated they had the right to sue Attrakt.

[@Nory86]

Omg I have been waiting for u to make a longer video cus I think the style rlly suits you!! Also thanks I’ve been confused😭

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

I love how you are unbiased and ur explaining you’re not trying to lead people to one side or another. I know for me personally since this started I’m just in support of the girls (The givers are a mess but attrackt is sketchy too. I don’t trust anyone). I think for this situation everyone do need to respect everyone else POV esp cus this is so complex that I’m not even mad people don’t have the same view as me and I understand how they would.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I’m so confused because someone said I’m being too biased 😭 but other people are praising me for being unbiased? I think I definitely displayed my opinion in this video, as I said many times. But I’m kinda confused by my comment section 😭

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@Natasha.Louisee don't be confused cus people will find it bias if u aren't directly attacking one side cus they take that as u supporting whatever side they don't..don't worry abt it

[@idkjshssbvVs]

boycott fifty fifty 2.0 and stan 3jeong

[@sensitiffly]

i'm generally going to be on the side of the idol in situations like these because these are point blank, cut and dry labor rights issues. south korea DOES NOT have a good track record with labor rights- for any industry, nevermind the entertainment industry which regularly employs minors. korean companies have many more protections than employees. i think representing the members conditions as just "not being 100% well" is insensitive 13:39. the ultimate question is whether or not the members were well enough to do the work required of them and whether or not the company should have intervened for their employees' overall safety. how old were the members, how long had they been training with attrakt at this point? the korean work culture of working yourself into poor health to "prove" yourself is toxic and i'm never going to defend it. i think ignoring the existing dynamics at play surrounding korean work culture and the utter lack of labor protections for the sake of "objectivity" isn't really that objective

[@sensitiffly]

this isn't a stan thing, i've never "stanned" fifty fifty. but i have always been loud and obnoxious about labor rights. the lack of them in kpop is what made me disengage from consuming it.

[@Natasha.Louisee]

I believe that the situation was greatly misrepresented by fans. I sited that as my reasoning for making the video. The girls said that the company forced them to go through with their activities even though they were unwell. However, many fans spread the narrative that the company was the reason they fell unwell. Which is not what the members were suing them for. You can call it insensitive, my mother is chronically sick, can barely walk some days and guess what? She still had to work because she was under contract at her work place. Every single person under contract has to try work regardless of illness and it reeks of privilege. It's not your god given right to be a kpop idol. The Job is a privilege in itself. These idols know what they're signing up for, the long hours, dieting and public appearances. That paired with the fact that Keena came out siting the givers as the reasoning for the lawsuit in the end just makes me less sympathetic to the members original statements and also my personal experiences and families experiences with employment. It's not 'work culture' it's called 'being under contract'. Normal people also have to work when they're sick, had surgery weeks ago heck even one of my colleges back when i worked at a supermarket had lung cancer yet she still had to work. These girls wanted to be idols and they loved it, they wanted to push themselves because they wanted to be idols, not because of pressure. You wouldn't try to be an idol if you didn't genuinely have a passion for it now would you

[@Natasha.Louisee]

@@fifi_hunnie your comment is full of pure snark so u can kindly gtf off my page thanks. I’m tired of replying to you because I’ve said what I needed to say already MULTIPLE TIMES. We just don’t agree with each other. Respect that we have a different opinion and stop trying to insult me over it. Purely PATHETIC behaviour

[@sumysim3245]

Personally, I don't think boycotting the new FIFTY FIFTY is a good idea. Most of these girls won't be able to debut again, especially the ex-RUNEXT and Keena. Considering how many legal battles have been going on, there are expenses and I'm sure the girls (ex-5050) need to pay it off somehow, but they've pretty much been blacklisted from the industry and most of the Korean public. I do think there were things done wrong on both sides of the party, with clear misdirection from the givers and bad guidance from those parents as well. I wish nothing but success for the girls, and not supporting them won't help them. Same with the RIIZE situation, I 100% want Seunghan back, but it's constantly putting the boys in misery every time they do an event, and have to be bombarded by pro-Seunghan fans. I'm split on this because I do want Seunghan back, but it really sours most of the experiences when people are boycotting their hard work because of another member. K-pop REALLY needs better management, with most of these companies just constantly in legal trouble or just plain bad at their job...

[@dxohwf]

kpop fans do boycott for the stupidest things, korean fans even organize protests when their idols get into a relationship 😂 meanwhile stan twitter thinks this is as bad as loona vs bbc when that was completely different, the company was directly attacking a member in the media and WAS NOT PAYING THEM.

[@Jayegato]

Every time natasha uploads an angel gains it's wings

[@seon_njang]

Im not gonna lie i dont really trust dispatch. Im glad this video exists because it made me second guess my opinion based on what i had seen on the internet but i think im just gonna stay out of it all. Unretweet fifi boycott posts and just. Stay out of it.

[@FrankieJane-kc6hm]

You made a lot of good points in this yes, the girls were manipulated, and I feel bad for that. Legally I'm with the company on this one, only legally.

[@pwqdon]

LOOKIN GORGEOUS AGAIN SLAAAAAAAYYYY

[@Natasha.Louisee]

Ahhh thank you so much

[@Ak_kwe]

I haven't heard from 50/50 in such a long time that I forgot that they even exist...😶 I'm commenting this 5 mins to the vid and omg there is alot going on..😵

[@gabrielesilvestro1679]

are you going to be making a video about the hate that the new members (especially chanelle) are receiving? btw your videos are awsome

[@mrsnobody2637]

Thank you for collecting all the information, it was difficult to go through all the missinformation on my own

[@Taylorswift_isamirrorball13]

The queen has posted again ❤

[@sevynsspace]

watching this on 14th of august i’ll check back tmr and see if you’re cancelled on twt yet

[@tondoma]

😭😭😭

[@Noorischcow]

I’ve been following you since you started instagram in 2020 and i just wanna say that i’m so happy that you’ve got so much more bigger❤️

[@lenka_w]

I'm so glad that i found this channel! I binge -watch your videos all the time. I love that you talk about this problems when most of people choose to ignore this (sorry if my english is bad).

[@Sparksnglitter]

Look at fifty fifty living up to their name No one knows whether to stan or not Idk I think I'll look forward to the new Fifty Fifty but won't listen to the new group where the other girls except Keena are debuting So confusing

[@taaleyakhan3134]

Face card in thumbnail is lethally majestic,so girlypop and love the minimalistic background and the video