Why are people quitting? | Wild Hearts

[@thadudelydude3707]

I quit when I found out end game didn't give you any further upgrades, and that hunting deeply voletile kemono is pointless

[@Lil_Angst]

That was what almost got me to quit, it’s so frustrating to beat the annoying boss fight, only to then be told you’re basically at your best weapon design, sure you can farm volatiles to get the parts but why do that when the normal or mighty monsters are just easier

[@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer]

Deeply volatile gives you the rarest talisman.

[@Lil_Angst]

True they do give you talismans, but those are also rare and random, and the extent of how much they help didn’t seem to be All that great, I could be wrong I doubt I’ve seen every talisman in the game so I’m sure there’s a few I’d love to grind for but I’ve yet to come across one that I couldn’t play without which is where it starts to feel like a time waste to me

[@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer]

@Lil_Angst I have 100% achievements, I'm just grinding to have the "best" of each weapon class. Once you figure out how to fight the volatile, it's not too hard. Randoms can definitely be hit or miss, so it kinda sucks having the kemono almost dead and having a random bleed out on you. Lol I've been playing MH for 15 years, I gotta say, I love the gameplay in wild hearts much more.

[@Lil_Angst]

I definitely agree, there’s so much about wild hearts that might just be that it feels fresh and new but the weapons alone keep me so interested, I love every weapon (except cannon’s) gameplay so much and discovering all the broken stuff you can do with each is really fun for me. Overall I can atleast say I prefer WH over every modern MH and we shall see how that changes with each new iteration, because I really am wanting a wild hearts 2 in the future

[@romeobunny7214]

I dont mind the endgame , what I don't like is the volatile monster rotation when trying to farm Armor Cladding

[@Lil_Angst]

The end game for me is strictly okay at best, its not an incredible keep you hooked experience, but it also atleast has something for the people who really enjoy the game are able to play. it just feels rough to be locked out of armor cladding through the entire game, only to have it be a massive grind to do once you are able to unlock it

[@tonberryfieldforever]

I'm on the verge of quitting Wild Hearts... However, I'd give it a second chance. It's a good game but lacks character (imho)

[@aner_bda]

I find myself agreeing with most of what was said in this video. I have just over 100 hours in Wild Hearts, and have beaten 2 deeply volatile kemono, but don't feel the urge to really log on and continue. It's been fun, and I feel that I've gotten my money's worth, but I don't think I'll be continuing much past what I've already done.

[@Lil_Angst]

Most of what I’ve done to keep me occupied is to just build a weapon for each style of build I want, help out people from the reddit, but I completely understand, I felt the same, 70$ for 70 hours of genuine fun is what I would deem a fantastic cost

[@phiavir5594]

I just got bored. The combat system was fun in spurts but it doesn't have a smooth recurring vibe to it. The karakuri cheese and reliance is dull. The monster roster is weak. The weapons don't feel massively different in playstle, and they don't require much build wise because armor is kinda bleh.

[@kiteblackrose2074]

For me Endgame is fashion hunting + making weapons and mastering them. Which is fun to do with friends. I do understand that WH endgame doesn’t really have that much to offer at the moment. It just needs a big update.

[@Lil_Angst]

Its got a long way before its an absolutely perfect end game, but im still personally enjoying it, the fashion may not be the style i prefer, but i love making a character i can call my own, and looking absolutely amazing while huting with friends or helping out other people in their own hunts. Im just waiting for them to add weapon cladding so i can run around with my umbrella club or a better looking claw blade

[@penguindrummaster]

I think they could make a small change and instantly make Volatile/Deeply Volatile hunts worth it. Volatile dropping a resource that allows you to convert a single Inherent Skill to an Inherited Skill would vastly improve replayability, and then Deeply Volatile monsters giving you a resource that allows you to add a 6th skill slot to a weapon. Another thing would be to add Volatile extensions to the Human/Kemono-Path armor upgrades that offer different skills, and puts all armor at the same tier of capability. Going back to the last video, also putting some weapon-specific skills on these new Volatile armor sets would greatly increase the utility of sets like Ragetail or Spineglider. Giving Volatile Ragetail skills like Extended Rap, and Spineglider gets Aerial Fury. Give Emberplume Speed Heat or High Spirits, and other thematically relevant skills (maybe Thread Thrift for Amaterasu)

[@Lil_Angst]

I actually love this idea, it would both give people a reason to come back to see what new things they can add to their weapons, and keeps people playing so they are able to properly farm out their own custom weapons or armor. It really does start to solve the biggest wall in my opinion of there just not being enough customizable skills. You my friend have a golden idea right here that I can only wish gets implemented

[@ArcticWolf2110]

I just regret buying this over rise:sunbreak. I quit right after emberplume as I got fed up of relying too much on the karakuri system.

[@Lil_Angst]

What about the Karakuri system brought you away from it? I always viewed it as a different way to do the items in monster hunter and am curious how you viewed it.

[@ArcticWolf2110]

@@Lil_Angst Items in MHW are so easy to use. All you have to do is just use the radial and it's done. The karakuri system in wild hearts is just cumbersome. Not only you have too many button inputs, the the setup time is just way too long. For some reason if the monster decides to go into rage mode, all of the karakuri gets destroyed. The cooking system is stupid and inconvenient. Then comes the most annoyingly thing about the karakuri system; it only happens during co-op. People spamming the basic karakuri.

[@Lil_Angst]

The thing i like about the karakuri system over the MH Item system is im not forced to gather everything in order to get the baseline amount of items before unlocking the ability to have them farmed for me, while yes farms and the argosy help a lot i just dont enjoy putting a bunch of research points or resources towards something that (other than potions and traps) i dont find to be usefull. The button inputs arent really a problem to me, but learning long combo strings isnt something i struggle with coming from a lot of fighting games. While i do see your point on the cooking system, and the fact you cant carry enough food early to actually get a good stockpile of cooked and uncooked, i also wasnt the kind to eat on every single hunt, so i didnt struggle with it until end game when you have all the upgrades and can hold a good amount of food, but i do know a lot of people do not like the food system and i will admit that can be a short coming to the game. and unfortunately the basic karakuri spam is a bit pet peeve of mine, however thats a fault to the karakuri system and how integral it is to weapons being able to do enough damage and be played efficiently.

[@damiennroddy]

I mean the lucky factor is massive in rise. Let's not forget how much we farmed in Rise/sunbreak for talismans and for decorations on world/iceborne

[@Lil_Angst]

True but once you got to chaotic gore and unlocked that version of melding it was insane, and those are a passive thing not having to actually fight the hardest boss, on top of they aren’t as important as they are in this since decorations and armor give more skills, now world and icebourne no that was bullshit and no one liked it, just because they were in those games doesn’t make them good systems at all, rng can only be so prevalent in a game without being just tedious and annoying rather than improving or lengthening the grind.

[@damiennroddy]

@Lil Angst oh forsure! Rise Sunbreak title update 3 really almost perfected their farming strat.

[@Lil_Angst]

If that was the standard it would be perfect, but I agree base rise and deco grinds were the worst, I got to like 1000 hours in world with only 2 attack decos when I finally said fuck it and modded in 1 more to finish my build

[@Ryanvea]

Coming from MH i felt like different weapon builds and affects made a big difference in MH. With WH Hearts i feel like the weapon experience doesnt really change no matter how you build it which doesnt inspire me to fight a ton of monsters to build a 2nd or 3rd version of the weapons... the accessory offering could also use an upgrade for making your character look cooler (maybe some capes, more masks, add auras?).

[@MavHawk]

The game started off amazing and has so much potential. It was great to give monster hunter some hint of competition. I hope they take these problems as lessons and learn from them to make a big improvement

[@Lil_Angst]

It’ll definitely take some time but I feel like it has the most potential out of any hunting game to truly compete with Capcom and grow some very healthy competition for both of the dev teams or maybe even some healthy partnerships

[@VandalHeart383]

If they was going to require a ludicrous amount of orbs for cladding, they should've made the drops guaranteed, instead of rare. I agree, everyone in this game is a peacock, with very few that are unique.

[@klaxocuchulainn2554]

I love playing this game because it gives me another hunter game to play that isn't just Mon Hun Rise and World. Nothing wrong with Rise and World, I just got burned out after like 2000+ hours of playing em. But I do wish I have friends to play Wild Heart with, most of my buddies either are not interested or only made it to chapter 2 of the game and left

[@Lil_Angst]

It’s real nice getting something that feels so unique but Carry’s the same basic genre principles, my buddy and I atleast made it to the end but didn’t want to try anything new and didn’t want to sit through the end game so most of my time playing is just finishing a build or grinding for cladding, then if I’m bored of that I just join random hunts to help people out

[@klaxocuchulainn2554]

@@Lil_Angst Speaking of joining random hunts. I feel like I've met ya once before in game. I remember seeing a character that looks just like yours. But who knows, that might be another fella who had the same ideas as you lol. Btw my character wears an eyepatch, has blue hair that's tide into a ponytail on the right side of her head and mostly wears Lavaback cladding.

[@Lil_Angst]

Haha not sure I have a very tame design when it comes to my characters looks, just a nice pontytail and yellow eyes, if you ever see Angst in your game then you definitely found me, soon I’ll be able to fully get my character designed but the cladding grind really is a long one

[@adellongino9413]

Maybe you should go back and play older Monster Hunter titles, 4U is fantastic.

[@klaxocuchulainn2554]

@@adellongino9413 I'd love to. But I don't have a switch or a console

[@lemingable]

It's mostly what you described. I am a long time Monster Hunter veteran, but I do find myself not wanting to grind for transmogs to the extent the game would require me to, so that doesn't seem worth it. On a more general note. I feel like armour skills and talismans don't really impact my playing experience enough to warrant the grind. Is it nice to have 5% more of a skill on a talisman? Sure. Would I grind for it under the current conditions? Nope. I am managing the hunts quite well and the game doesn't give me a reason to improve, so I have no reason to follow the game loop

[@Lil_Angst]

That’s a good point, I never felt like I struggled enough that a talisman would’ve helped a lot when for 75% of the hunts I never even felt like eating was worth the investment sure there are times I do eat but most of the time it just seems like a big waste much like the actual talismans

[@CousinChal]

I came to the same realisation recently. It's a shame cos I really enjoy the game but the endgame has completely failed to grab me. I have been enjoying making multiple weapons and builds etc but there's only so many cobalt lavabacks I can fight before I lose my mind. Also I can do that without ever interacting with volatiles and I'm not fussed about layered armour so I don't really bother. And don't get me started on deeply volatiles, they only drop *crystals*??? No new mats/weapons/armours?? All the effort for maybe 1% extra skill points on a talisman does not excite me at all...

[@Lil_Angst]

Yeah it’s rough I’m hoping with the new content they end up making it better or at the very least more enticing for people to continue on but ti think it’ll be hard to add new things to the end game with how the end game starts off with needing to kill the 4 DV, before you can hunt lahar back

[@KevinHorrox]

They missed the mark with the weapons and gearing. Being able to inherit skills from other weapons is cool, but why must I build a queue of 20 different weapons, upgrading and downgrading myself along the way to get to the one I want with the skills I want? Just let me build the 5/6 weapons I want for the skills I want. And why didn't they do that system with armour? I also disagree with skills on armour pieces, in a game where the game expects you to build armours to counter a monster's strengths/weaknesses. The story also felt like it was almost a carbon copy of MHW. I do like the karakuri though. I think they add a non-linear and dynamic experience to every hunt, that every weapon can benefit from

[@Dabking5]

I just made it to the endgame and I just feel no motivation to keep playing. I love the game but there were some obvious problems with the grind and weapon crafting.

[@Ghst-rf6bt]

I am thinking on getting the game some point but i'm just worry about wild hearts on having anti consumer stuff and loot boxes in the game because EA have some bad history about their games have stuff like that.

[@Lil_Angst]

I completely understand, with their track record as publisher its a legit worry, so far the only thing that you get for spending more money is purely cosmetic, every content update will be free as stated by the actual devs of the game, and id assume any micro transaction will just be for cosmetics or emotes/chat stamps. While this doesn't mean there's still not that possibility it at least looks like it'll be a fair monetary system which when the game comes at such a steep price I would hope so

[@Ghst-rf6bt]

@@Lil_Angst I do hope that would be the case.

[@r4m3ny45]

Lack of Endgame content is why i don't play it that much anymore.

[@Lil_Angst]

Hopefully the content they continue to release comes fast and with the changes to make things fresh

[@r4m3ny45]

@Lil Angst they should also do something about the armors. Armors feels too plain. You should be able to upgrade armors to increase defense, and maybe add "jewel slots" to it. It just felt too easy and too fast to get to the end game

[@Lil_Angst]

An extension to the talisman system wouldn’t be too bad either, it’s a fine system but being so limited on what you can add when the armor has such a small pool of everything between skills and just options feels real bad

[@grizzlee6063]

I agree, talismans need some work. The low drop chance on high stat talismans, and the small armor pool make building crafting a little tough currently. I've put more time into weapon making than anything else, because I have enjoyed all the weapons so far. This has differed from my experience in MH, because I usually just stick to 1 or 2 weapons, but the katakuri really make every weapon useable in any fight. I really hope we get a buff to the talismans, and see some more armors. I'm 100+ hrs in and still finding stuff to do. Also, the next content update is in 3 day, Woot!

[@Lil_Angst]

I’m looking forward to the new stuff they add, and I also am enjoying the game 100+ hours in I just found it very interesting seeing so many people say they are done and felt like it deserved a critical view on why

[@TreshToons]

Deeply volatile have turned me off from the game a lot. Stuff just one shots me or people online just get AoE one shot and the single try on those hunts are so annoying. I wish we could at least have 2 or 3 tries

[@Lil_Angst]

I get more annoyed at the fact they have a one shot, with how many have fast combo strings that do 90% of your health per hit but at least those have some counter play, getting hit by a stray one shot even with resurrection gets really annoying and frustrating after playing the fight well until that point

[@Annatar-Sauron]

The dv was not work correctly i said, yeah i love the harder fight, but it should come the great prizes for that so ppl can enjoy it. Speaking of RnG in the game, i think WH was way more better than MH.

[@Lil_Angst]

It’s better than world and base rise, but still not an enjoyable thing in the game but it’s still something to do that isn’t going crazy farming other things

[@RalphieLykin]

So much truth packed into this vid TBH... my friend that I played with quit till the new update comes out 'cause well he got bored with the end game. I'm still playing myself but I'm a "completionist".... I have to have my maps perfect & all upgraded; do every last quest & sidequest (still bothers me that there is that bug that won't let me finish some >.

[@Lil_Angst]

Haha I appreciate the wall of text, it means you enjoy the game so much you want it to succeed which is awesome, my buddy stoped playing before finishing all of the first DV hunts due to lack of feeling like it’s worth it, where as I just want to play the game and keep having fun with it because it’s so hard for me to let go and out it down, I’m sure I’ll slow down on playing it when the new MH Title update comes out but even then I’ll always come back to WH with hopes of more things to do, I still have so many camps to make and cladding to use, as well as experiment with more builds which is a fun thought but it’s not the actual hunts or grind keeping me, it’s my own want for more things

[@RalphieLykin]

@@Lil_Angst yes I really do enjoy this game & see so much potential in it even with all the faults it has & yeah I feel you on wanting all the "Things" before you give up... I'm hoping with the new update coming later this month & the one in May will spice that grind up a little since it will be coming with new armor & weapons but with MH title update coming the potential of getting distracted by that is rather high... I just hope WH listens & ups their game by giving more inline rewards to the work/grind the players put into the game & maybe fixing the performance issues at least.

[@Lil_Angst]

@@RalphieLykin Yeah the performance issues definitely should be top priority to get more people at the very least able to join in and have fun with the game, my biggest hope for the new weapons and armor is that they open options, as long as they aren't soo good that you ditch the old armor to just use that, but are just good enough it starts to develop some more thought put into current builds to allow it to cater to different preferences of playing the game

[@RalphieLykin]

@@Lil_Angst yep it seems to be a top priority which is good & even though I'm beathing in all that copium I'm only surviving on it because back in the day when I 1st started gaming fps was never talked about & when it did come into play things like 30 fps in those early days was heavenly (yeah I'm old I remember the time before the internet even was around lol) & yeah with the new armor... I'm also secretly hoping I can dive into a really good status ailment build with the new stuff because those are always super fun to tinker with

[@calebfoley5872]

I “quit” because beating lurid felt like a nice stop to the game after a solid 80 hours of solo play. I couldn’t imagine grinding them though. I actually really like being able to tie a bow on a game after some nice hard fights. That’s why gu is my fav monhun endgame. You almost get to pick your final boss or bosses. If you ever want to come back, you just load up your character and pick a different final boss for your new mini playthrough. I am of course talking about deviants. Other than the retained mandatory high rank deviant quests for gen deviants I think the system is nearly perfect.

[@Lil_Angst]

I would agree out of all the places I've seen people stop doing the final "mission" where you kill them all at least once is a fantastic end to a game that, as long as you enjoyed the journey on, will leave more than enough closure. I'm hoping you're able to find some motivation to play later in April when they start to add entirely new Kemono and you get to experience those fights :) but if not that's totally fine, you got what you wanted and there's nothing wrong with that

[@calebfoley5872]

@@Lil_Angst Loved the vid and the respectful opinions. Trust me after a few updates come through I’ll be back again, this game is an incredibly fresh take.

[@skilxrd1203]

The issue with this game is that it’s a farming game. When you make a farming game the farming must be ‘’easy’’ in a way that if you die it’s not too punishing but when you’re fighting a tough kemono and dies after 10 painful minutes and you lose EVERYTHING it’s just so painful it makes you want to quit. For exemple Souls games are more fun to farm because the fights are very hard BUT very fast. So if you die you just lost 2-3 mins at most so it doesn’t pain you that much.

[@Lil_Angst]

Ive never actually thought of these games as farming games, always was just a by product in them but more focused on enjoying the fights themselves but absolutely see how that comparison can be made and how that would easily effect how you view the game

[@street_sharq]

Honestly, once I experienced sneak atk destroying all the regular cast, and this making anything outside if deeply volatile not a fight. The cosmetic section and feeling completely over powered outside of deeply made me take a break

[@Lil_Angst]

I don’t know what it is but honestly every kemono outside of deeply feel like they just have extremely small health pools, it’s no wonder people can abuse mechanics and get sub 30 second hunts when all it takes are 3 power hits to kill something, just feels like they wanted to make the monsters difficult to hit, but not have a big enough health pool to make the fights last long enough, in low rank I understand but getting to mighty and volatiles I feel like having at least another half of their health added on wouldn’t have been a massive issue and would’ve made experiencing the fights better in the long run

[@torontomapleleafs4121]

I stopped for now I felt like early to mid game is harder then most of mh rise sunbreak i wiped out all of sunbreak no problem risen valstrax is tough but it’s manageable gunna give it another try but took a break got to end game got very frustrating I held my self from almost destroying my controller a couple of times I enjoyed this info definitely subbed

[@Lil_Angst]

I get that, there’s so many deeply frustrating parts about the deeply volatile and volatile fights a break is good, and with a new patch tomorrow the 23rd we can only hope it’s better and they make some changes, also I appreciate it thank you

[@gamin-sn8qj]

I managed to solo all of the DV kemono even the dlc one and really enjoyed the challenge but it is very unrewarding to not get anything new for your trouble also I found a talisman list online that really helped with the talisman grind

[@Lil_Angst]

I’ll have to take a look at that because I don’t even know what all I can get let alone want to get

[@gamin-sn8qj]

@@Lil_Angst I farmed mighty dreadclaw for solar protection talisman took about 40 times to get 4 I wanted

[@Lil_Angst]

@@gamin-sn8qj thats insane, ive killed a ton of mighty dreadclaw and volitile in order to get materials for my weapon upgrades that go through those paths and the armor cladding im trying to make, but i only have 1 talisman with 1% solar protection, i dont know if its able to get any higher but im happy you were able to get what you needed

[@twiistedcreations]

I didnt quit the game made me quit after 165 hours and almost every armour set with 511 kemono hunted. This latest update made my file unplayable. Says chapter 0 cannot fast travel anywhere, and all dragon karakuri and pits have been reset.

[@zhikos_6441]

after amaterasu i fell off the difficulty felt unban

[@draionalderson1949]

I'm not a content creator, but I truly enjoy the game. Is it perfect, no, but what game is? Think about it can you name a game that you have played that don't have things that you wish for? And state to yourself this could be better? The deeply Volatile system may not be the best, but what end-game content is? Most games either have pvp as their end game or bosses you farm repeatedly. This is their first monster hunter style game, and for their first, they did an outstanding job in my opinion do they have room for growth of course but that's good that gives them stuff to build on for future content. The deeply Volatile are mostly for the challenge for the true player that want that which is why they are going to continue adding more and they are about to add new stuff you can build and weapons. Honestly I don't think game developers should focus so much on the casual players if you want to satisfy them its easy give them an option to pay real money to skip the grinding option in game. Lol it's true most casual players just want to start off OP and hate grinding. But good content not saying your opinions aren't valid these are just mine. Thanks

[@Lil_Angst]

Absolutely my goal of this video was never to be “this game is terrible never play it.” And as I play the end game more and more I start to like it more and more, the point of this video was more so to highlight the aspects I feel need changed to bring it closer to a perfect game, which no game will ever be perfect. Could I make anything better? Well after flunking out of a year of game design and art I can honestly say there’s no way in hell, it’s very hard to make a game let alone make a game that works properly and doesn’t have flaws. I maybe should’ve been more clear about my thoughts but I really want this game to thrive but if no one talks about the short comings then people won’t know how to improve, if for some strange reason a dev or someone watches this or reads the comments they can start to get an idea they have people who love this game and are willing to offer ideas that they may not like but would make the player base happy, either way I appreciate you leaving your thoughts!

[@lilfuzzballa]

Some people mention that MH is just as grindy when it comes to trying to get that extra little increase in your build. That's true, but I think what's different with World and Rise is that all materials have a use. Rise does an even better job of this than World did. In Rise, monsters from the lowest tier to the highest tier of monsters drop their regular materials, which all can be used towards crafting charms, armor, or decorations. Then there are unique mats that the endgame afflicted monsters drop for augmenting armor and weapons. Afflicted monsters also drop anomaly tokens, which can be spent at a shop to exchange for materials that further help towards min/maxing. Hell, even charms you dont want can be recycled into crafting new charms. Even those have use. Literally every hunt will end with usable rewards. no matter what monster you choose to hunt. And I feel that's the key. Even though these materials are ultimately used for grindy RNG crafting recipes in some cases, I feel the key thing that makes it feel better, is that the player has multiple choices. You have complete freedom and choice to farm literally any monster you feel like fighting, and you'll end that hunt with useful mats to your endgame min/maxing. You also have free choice to decide from multiple different crafting systems (charm craft, deco craft, armor craft, token exchange, weapon augment, armor augment) in where to use those materials. All these choices all across the endgame are what I feel allow players to hang in there a bit longer before burning out.

[@twinkiestorrstoenailclippi2122]

Definitely enjoying your videos, keep it up man and don't give up!!

[@Lil_Angst]

I appreciate the kind words! I plan to keep going and try to get better with each video

[@brandonporteriamyasuke1507]

Sometimes your voice puts me to sleep lol. But I will say the game just came out so they have a while to make improvements on this game, what you should do is send them an email about how you feel and some changes that need to be made. My biggest issue is the talismans, I'm getting one's that doesn't even synergize with my gear the percentages are too low.

[@Lil_Angst]

Haha believe it or not I’ve been told my whole life I have either a very boring monotone voice or a very soothing and “asmr-esque” voice, I wasn’t aware they had an email I’d be able to contact them through to suggest stuff like that, I’m no game designer so I don’t know the logistics behind what they are capable of doing with their coding and game engine but I agree, if I would want to see anything it would be the ability to narrow the talismans you can get from volatiles or DV drops

[@iamwyse1269]

Your patience is great but mine isn't and me and the Mrs had to uninstalled due to the frustrations of Karakuri building and the infamous "you can't build here" messages when your clearly on a flat surface. Also the frustrations of not having the thread resources and feeling super weak after grinding and building so many loadouts to just get one shot after stacking 50 mil defensive and HP recovery meals. This as well as what you mentioned in your video is why we uninstalled and will continue to play MHRise.

[@Lil_Angst]

That's entirely understandable and i dont blame either of you, I really enjoyed all the time ive put into rise and am looking forward to seeing their next title update, I also really enjoy wild hearts but honestly its developed into more of a time killer than something i have hardcore goals i want to accomplish, much like many hunter games the new kemono and armor sets bring me back, and hopefully they are able to add some good fixes to make things less cumbersome and frustrating. I hope you both were able to atleast feel like you got your moneys worth out of it or manage to find the motivation to come back when/if things are fixed. I wish you luck against Amatsu should they add him to rise (which im begging they do, i havent caught up with what TU5 will bring, i am hoping for a pleasant surprise)

[@northturtle6263]

I can't even bring my self to kill the deeply because performance and the katakuri system not developed enough. the fact that the game will glitch out and say i can't place kataguri in the middle of an open field has fucked me more then once.

[@DembiBrox]

This game is good and has potential my main issue is when I play this game it looks like a monster hunter game, but feels like I’m playing a dark souls game the monsters are too hard for no good reason and it’s hard to enjoy it and the grinding is sometimes not worth it

[@Lil_Angst]

I’ve been saying it the whole time, this game is like a Pandora’s box of potential that if they could just iron out the issues and get an actually engaging end game this would be a serious competitor for a hunting game, but as it stands and with the severe lack of communication from the devs it’s getting more and more worrisome

[@DembiBrox]

@@Lil_Angst From how I see it they were trying to make their own monster hunter like a game the problem is they were trying way too hard not to copy monster hunter

[@Lil_Angst]

I agree, as much as people defend it saying it’s their “first triple A” game and to cut them some slack and compare it more to past MH games if you’re going to, I think that’s absolutely the wrong line of thinking, and they had access to all of rise and the complaints/compliments both rise and world got, so there could’ve been some playing off of that to make something similar, but yet keep it fresh and there own. They strayed too far from mh on a lot of points they should’ve just copy pasted and spent more time on the more unique concepts like Karakuri, weapon trees, and developing a more interesting endgame

[@DembiBrox]

@@Lil_AngstIndeed I see where they’re trying to go with this game but monster hunter in all of its games has this sort of feeling to it making it fun to hunt monsters it makes gaming feel somewhat alive it’s not something that you can just make a copy of.

[@maxrosefoxanime7225]

Hoestly im only still playing mostly out of boredom in general im not really enjoying the game but still playing because there not much to do in general game wise but like also tte layer wear is my god i think i will would rather sleep i think i farm one monsters for 2 days for one piece of cloths but im still playing mostly becaue there not many games i like

[@Lil_Angst]

That’s where I’m at, other than a few games with friends there’s nothing single player I want to play that I can sink some time into, there’s a couple of survival games but overall I’m just kinda playing this cause I enjoy the game but just have nothing else that catches my eye

[@silekkelboom9002]

The grind is not worth it. I havent tried the talisman grind cuz I dont enjoy the deeply volitile. I like the normal volitile. But the deeply are not my cup of tee. But I can imagine having to grind key stones in order to get a chance on a better talisman is stupid. The deeply volitile should be replayable without using keystones after youve done them all. The cladding grind is also deeply flawed. You get on average 1 orb per monster or region. If I want a Golden tempest mask I need 10 golden tempest orbs and 10 akigure orbs. If you get one each fight thats 20 clears. On one armor part. Sometime you can get lucky and get 8 out of nowhere. But in my experience that's when I need one more, fml. I did it for multiple armor sets cuz I do enjoy the game still. But oh lord is it bad. Let alone you need to be lucky that komster you needthe orbs of are in rotation. I know you can glitch it by going on a duo hunt an only kill the one you need and reset the hunt. But that's not how it should be. This is by far bthe grindiest game Ive had with the least rewards. I still very much enjoy the game. But man does wear on you.

[@ramigilneas9274]

I won’t complain too much because I already played the game for a few hundred hours. But now I am too bored and probably will never play it again. The good thing about Wild Hearts is that it made me appreciate Rise again that I didn’t like that much compared to World.

[@Leafy_Tree88]

I quit when I got to chapter 2… for me the graphics was a massive turn off and the fact that there’s only 8 weapons to choose from and I didn’t like the play style of 90% of them.. the grind is also real

[@saintofstories]

I hate the MH games. Clunky, slow, unresponsive in my experience. I beat all the content in them in like 75-100 hours, then didn't like how the weapons felt and couldn't bother to keep grinding. I'm on 220 of WH and finished the game around 100. I grind so that I'm ready for the next monster drop. Or because I love the look of the armor and want to look like a particular thing instead of taking random pieces. You don't all have to use Garuda either... you can mix it up and it'll be more rewarding feeling to win because you're playing off meta

[@Lil_Angst]

My only issue with playing “off meta” at the time was it was taking a massive loss in damage, not that it’s a big deal normally but if I have the option to just do 20% more damage I’m gonna take it, thankfully that’s slowly changing and getting better about having more viable option that are screwing yourself out of such a difference in damage, I still am very indifferent on the armor and weapon designs, the armor is meh, and the weapons are cool but I really wish you could do the armor cladding for that as well and pick the weapon that fits your outfit better

[@saintofstories]

@Lil Angst 💯 on weapon cladding using grimstalker set I made a katana based on blade manifest and dodging. Combo with destruction to peel away parts of the kemono and one stroke critical, and it improved my time by a little compared to straight damage. Also I don't get one shot without resurrection anymore but tbh that's just a skill issue on my part lol

[@Lil_Angst]

Haha I absolutely will say using human path made me feel 100% safer, desperation is such a rough skill to work around that even with resurrection has you begging for mercy, I need to make more human builds haven’t gotten the chance to make full Grimstalker yet, been trying to nail my hunter fashion. But I look forward to making and seeing some amazing builds as these updates continue

[@krycizuchiha2185]

Sounds like me trying to get the mighty bow jewel in MHW. I will say though the MH comparison is pretty unfair they had 20 years of trial and error to make it what it is today. This game had been out a little over a month now I think overtime we'll see something great. If not then they dropped the ball because I feel like it has loads of potential honestly.

[@lordassius3074]

This isn’t this studio’s first attempt at a hunting genre game. The studio also made the Toukiden games, which initially came out in 2013. I don’t think the MH a comparison is unfair either because in addition to them having a decade’s worth of experience, they also had the example of MH right there in front of them.

[@krycizuchiha2185]

@@lordassius3074 I know about toukiden I talked about this ip specifically and you just want monster hunter from another company? That sounds redundant, toukiden didn't do good in the west. Also how does 10 years and basically 2 monster hunting games equal to 20 years and and probably at least 10 games?

[@deathbyvamp]

This game in endgame feels kinda how monster hunter feels while waiting for s rank too come out... Just more Grindy with out the time respected rewards from it. This game defenitly has great potential... And could really benefit from it's own version of s rank with gear and talismans that make the grind feel worth it

[@Lil_Angst]

I’d agree, the limit break system is a nice start but stuff feels so slow rolled in terms of actual end game it’s hard to stay as invested as time goes on in my opinion

[@deathbyvamp]

@@Lil_Angst defenitly... On the plus side tho it got me back in the mood for mhr so grabbed that for the ps5 .. I just hope something happens to wild hearts to get me back invested

[@Lil_Angst]

Welp I plan to cover it until it dies which is either in the next month or years down the line haha, they are taking steps in the right direction it’s just a matter of will it be enough, but I can’t wait for amatsu in Rise, gonna be a fun fight

[@tigercloud6945]

Well I'm just a old monster hunter diving into this game for the first time and it is scratching that monster monster itch. I'm taking it with a grain of salt but I'm enjoying it and that's what gaming is all about.

[@godsangryhands4499]

Im going to the END! The fact that alyou can play online for most if not ALL missions.. I AM enjoying the full game.. A Little expen$ive but I REALLY ENJOY WILD HEARTS 💕..ITS JUST YOU! Only 1 fight left! Love this game!

[@Lil_Angst]

I could not for the life of me say I did not like really enjoy this game, I mean that’s why I wanted to make content on it is because I want to see it thrive and grow and become a main state game. I’m still enjoying it and pushing past the negatives because this is just a really fun game to me, but even with all the love I have for it, it’s still important to be able to say what’s wrong with it so there isn’t just an echo chamber of people saying the game is perfect when it’s definitely far from it. But I definitely plan to at least make an end game build for every weapon and have my style for armor cladding perfect

[@godsangryhands4499]

@@Lil_Angst its great to see someone who enjoys games rather than just SHITTING ON EVERYTHING!

[@Lil_Angst]

I always found it so funny when someone just completely complains and degraded a game, but still plays it 40+ hours a week. I’d never invest that much time into a game I don’t enjoy and when I really enjoy a game I like talking about it and why people either do or don’t enjoy it, gives me perspective on how it could be made better and stops me from being one of those die hard fans that can never admit to a games short comings or will defend a company through every poor decision

[@TheArne959]

Needs bigger hubs and some raid bosses / group mechanics

[@Lil_Angst]

I never did like the big raid fights, beheamoth and kulve weren’t super fun to me and I never liked the concept of being forced to find raid groups where you’re just hoping to get a spot, however that all changed when safi’jiiva was introduced to ice Bourne, now I really hope for a “the earth breaker we just fought was a child and now the mama is mad” style fight where each hunter is on a different part trying to subdue it, and ending as everyone gets to the face and has a big earthy fight.

[@TheArne959]

@@Lil_Angst i get you i also wasnot a big fan of the raid bosses however i do like group content and i also feel like they need to release the group content as solo content after a few months. Group content brings player together imo. But they need to have "easy" to check off objectives. Like safi's where you need to break specific parts. Witch was fun. And if they rekease it as solo content after a while its still do able for ppl who pi k up the game way later.

[@ViniciusDutra]

I love this game and i think i probably love this game more than i love Monster Hunter, but i agree with every single point you made in the video. I will never blame people who quit and i will understand if this game doesn't have expansions or sequels. There are too many design decisions in this game that were not as well thought and polished as it's needed to be. But what saddened me more is that, looking for what the comunity thinks of this game i've realized that most players thinks everything in this game is fine besides performance. You, me and people commenting here seems to be the minority

[@Lil_Angst]

Performance is a massive issue that they seem to not be able to fully fix in the patches, they’ve made it better for sure but it doesn’t feel fast enough. While I easily could have only talked about that to me the performance feels more like a gate keeper rather than a reason to quit, I don’t think it’s right to say you “quit” the game when you couldn’t even really play it, with the most recent patch people didn’t quit but the performance inconsistencies and random drops that they never got before didn’t really cause them to quit, it just hate kept them from being able to play, while yeah we probably are the minority I think people aren’t viewing what the difference between quitting and just not being able to play are

[@Lil_Angst]

I love this game and want nothing more than to see it thrive but it’s out of my hands which just sucks, I want this to be the way people get into hunting games because it feels so friendly for newer players but it’s just up to the devs to really sit down and do what they can, either way I’m taking this game as far as I can before I just give up, can’t let a wonderful game die without trying

[@grimreefer213]

Despite all the complaints about the rng mechanics in MH, the MH team deserves credit for being able to make games that people want to play for hundreds of hours and still enjoy. I put 1000 hours in MHW-I and I loved it the whole way through. The augment system in Iceborne was pretty good, it was simple, but generally pretty good and the guiding lands was kinda fun. I know the guiding lands was too grindy at first but they changed it to make it a little easier to grind and I thought it was a pretty good system in general.

[@evanbenacheetofingersbenac2603]

I hope you read this and that many other people read this but so far my friend and I have played mh rise and world in the beginning he compared it to rise on the drops but rises drops for the rares are lower then 10 this game is new and different there may be flaws but this games uniqueness alone is what drives players like my friends and I everyone now tries to find the worst in every game this game just makes you value your hunts and make you want to hunt a certain monster more and is just a typical grind most people just wanna be spoon fed but this game is an amazing game I know you did not say it was horrible but the main problem your pointing out from a game that’s been out for a couple months isn’t the best the game is still new and fresh so don’t rush to stop making content

[@Lil_Angst]

I very much enjoy this game, and as I play more and more my views have slowly changed, while I still believe it’s an issue, I honestly really really like this game and am excited to see all it has to offer, I never planned on stopping content while there may not be a whole bunch I feel I have the ability or knowledge to talk about yet I plan to take this game to the grave, I personally prefer it’s hunting style and weapons to that of MH but both have their appeal, this game just needs to age, but it’s a fantastic starting point for a large majority of the content and once they nail performance and can add more content to not make things feel… dry I feel like this will be a fantastic title and hopefully an amazing series of games to come

[@ZekariusZetorian]

I hate to be the resounding gong that just keeps echoing the same problems over and over, but getting single digit frames in Fuyufusagi Fort when I have plenty of RAM, a CPU that's generations ahead of what the devs recommended (Ryzen 9 vs a Ryzen 5), and an 8Gb VRAM graphics card is just plain unacceptable. Guess that's what I get for having hype and buying into a game before it comes out. Guess I'm never pre-ordering again. *shrug*

[@arkhive506]

Weapon upgrades feel really janky.... there's a lot of great "on paper" concepts that are implemented messily and by the end of the day, you'll be gunning for end boss weapon as the final one for your chosen weapon cause of the sheer superior raw stat that it has. I.e. there's really little to no variety, doubly so with how QoL skills are king and how limited inheritable skills are (at least make multiple of the same inheritable skills stack with somewhat diminishing returns instead of having them eat multiple slots if they're going to be so stingy with the inherit skill slots. Either that or greatly expand the number of allowed skills that people can play around with crit/ element, etc instead of being stuck with QoL skill to build weapon gauge. Endgame grind (talisman) giving so little increment is just mindboggling on how irrelevant the result is given the amount of expected effort. It's turn off even compared to charm farming in MH games in general. Hell, (deeply) volatile monster mats should've at least allowed us to up the number of inheritable skills on our weapon of choice, and/ or increase the stats to a degree to at least close the gap on a lot of the weapons to the final boss ones.

[@Xeus86]

While I agree with a lot of your statements. I think its a bit EXTREME to “QUIT” a game that has been out only a month that has predicted to have dlcs and new kemono on the horizon . I feel that’s the most toxic thing about the gaming community is the lack of patience , ya i get its EA but so faaaar they have been IMMENSELY responsive to making this game better

[@Lil_Angst]

I agree I don’t think people quitting is the right response but I think it’s more they got what they wanted and then they’ll either not pick it back up or will come back with the content updates which either way I get it, people want a perfect game immediately and while I think they’ve been slow on their fixes and not keeping people updated properly, there is still a lot of reasons to be patient or come back

[@Xeus86]

@@Lil_Angst I hear you , I love this game too , and I have been slow at clearing it , taking my time and farming with coop due to the fact that I knew PREEMPTIVELY that there was limited content , but also still aware there will be few DLC’s . It discourages me to see the commentary on telling you to quit the game . Been a gamer since Atari days and more so as of recently when I got my PS5 (I have been primarily a mobile gamer the past five years ) never have I ever seen such impatience Please keep on churning out the content , I like your practical outlook , it’s not copium , but it’s honest and I respect bs free content that is solution minded . You got a sub from me

[@dogfrog9543]

Had high hopes for this game and ended up having to refund it due to the performance issues. I may try it again at around 29 bucks. Also hoping this wasnt a replacement for Toukiden as that one had some good ideas.

[@S3norSalad]

I agree with these points. There's a severe lack of endgame. It's just for cosmetics. Sure, the building mechanic make combat more engaging, but that's really it's other strong point I'd say.

[@Lil_Angst]

It’s very bare bones and im surprised it’s not being talked about more, but atleast it’s still an enjoyable game and can be ignored for most I believe

[@mrdavis8814]

If I want to farm Nergigante in Monster Hunter, I can select the fight and destroy him dozens of times to get my gear. In Wild Hearts end game, if I want to farm Gritdog at all, I have to hope he rotates on the map! Let us kill the kemono when we want to all the time!

[@Lil_Angst]

@@mrdavis8814 I love this point, especially since they have the coding to be able to cycle through certain kemono (you're able to pick what version of GT and Emberplume you want to fight in chapter 4) not being able to just cycle through volatiles or have to go 2 chapters back to hunt specific normal monsters is just a strange decision to land on for me

[@antigo2hard]

@@mrdavis8814 let me tell you where you are wrong once grit dog does rotate to the doubles which is not hard to do just go to the doubles fight him and the reload without killing the other one simple

[@zachhall624]

I feel a large issue with it is most people who whine about the end game don't realize by farming cladding they are also getting a bunch of materials for other weapons and to farm deeply volatiles. I think most people would really enjoy trying other weapons and it really prevents burnout by using multiple weapons. Lol I'd argue a large amount of the players that have stopped playing either only played staff and bow and never really used anything else. I do think there should be some sort of conversion system like x gold or x karakuri points(I have 1 million) in exchange for the orbs. But I don't really think having the cosmetics farm being where it is now is bad. It doesn't really take that long if you really know the fight and have a strong build. Most hunts will take less than 5 minutes which makes the farm time kinda whatever at the end of the day imo. Now that being said, do I think the end game is superlative? No, but do I think a lot of people are being too negative towards it undoubtedly yes. If your hunt times are consistently around 3mins for a volatile for cladding you can get it fairly quickly and in the process gain a bunch of keystones and monster materials as well. But I have a suspicion that a lot of people haven't actually learned the fights which causes their hunts to be very prolonged which then the hunts will drag on certainly. But most of the hunts in the game don't demand excellence imo, you can get away with trading a lot,which is fine, but when you really master a certain kemono hunt they go down considerably quicker and what's a great way to master one? Cladding farming 🤔.

[@quelldieu7263]

did you send this to the devs

[@Lil_Angst]

I have not, i posted it to the subreddit but unfortunately it wasnt able to get much traction on there, and I personally am not too sure how to contact them or why theyd watch the video, but hopefully one of them might see it and be able to take it as constructive criticism and not like im trying to belittle or complain about the game, they have a lot on their plate and have been working non stop im sure on more pressing performance issues, i just hope this is something they are able to have on the back burner for when they are able to actually focus on it.

[@cowpokemorgan9147]

The game stopped working smoothly form me. And the games combat isn't as fun or technical as MH imo. It's fairly easy and to offset that the end game monsters have overturned hawk tracking which is not at all fun.

[@Anthul65]

Because the game unplayable! I7 9750 with rtx 2060 and 16 GB and i get 8 fps trying to kill Deathstalker??? And every couple of minutes game crashes to desktop? There you go!

[@wolferyxproductions]

While I respect your opinion you clearly don't know anything about kulve tarot you could spend and aentire 45 minutes hunting it tonight only get 4 weapon drops and 2 where copies and the other 2 where not even what you wanted but yeah I would like the volatile drops to be better for layer armor 😅 mande me remember my grind pts with this

[@Lil_Angst]

Oh trust me, I’ve done my time in kulve and AT kulve, however that was 1 hunt with the best weapons in the game, at the time, doesn’t make it a good fight but it wasn’t the entire end game was just a rotating event quest that eventually got out classes by worse power creep.

[@frankallen3634]

I hate the weapons and the look of the armor. And I haven't liked it enough to even get to the town. All I play is monster hunter and this is just so bad I can't anymore with this crap

[@geraldgossett724]

This game doesn't have enough enjoyment for the time you have to put into it this game is a game left mid through, and I regret ever buying it because by buying it I told the developers yeah make more of this..... no don't make more of this, the enjoyment is few and far between and the repetitive gameplay is absolutely not what people enjoy I also feel like there's a cultural disconnect with what they think we want and what we actually want

[@Lil_Angst]

Well to give them their credit this is a monster hunter style game, if you don't like monster hunter or what is essentially an endless grind fest you wont enjoy it, I'm sorry to hear you regret buying it I agree it wasn't given the full potential it could have had, It really could have been great had it received the time and love it deserved, but I don't know if that game is what you're expecting it to be, I still really enjoy the game and like playing it every now and then even after losing my save. But I also understand that is just my opinion and especially with this game finding people who agree is definitely a long shot haha.

[@jon_sinatra803]

Y’all are not gamers 😂😂

[@GrimThunder]

I'm sure they'll update quite a bit. It's like every other game now. Give you a little now so they can nickel and dime you later. Right now, they need to focus on fixing the drop in FPS

[@Lil_Angst]

Agreed the biggest thing right now is the fps and random performance drops, once they do that and more people can actually play the game things will be at the very least smooth sailing to hopefully a good path to a great game

[@MarioMunozBro]

The game just came out , it’s a learning process and to be going up against a giant like MH is pretty impressive off the bat, playing this game you can tell it’s got love and dedication and throughout its first year I think they can really clean the slate a bit and level it out to a much better experience

[@linkart1910]

Holy shit this game looks like ps3 game

[@Poogs]

I quit today because I logged into >20 hours of lost progress, nothing to do with cloud sync or corrupted file. Fuck this game.

[@EcopiuM]

"muh end-game" and it's consequences have been a disaster for gaming. Not everything needs a fucking endgame. I put in a good amount of hours into the game, enjoyed the story, hunts and gameplay and there you have it.

[@Lil_Angst]

While I agree not every game needs an end game, a big part of hunting games has been at least some form of an end game and continued content updates, and I was curious why mh can have people play for over 1,000 hours on each title and rush back to each content update where as I’m seeing people unable to return to wild hearts after hitting the endgame loop, when both on the surface have a very similar end game loop. I do think for most game genres the “need” for a constant end game loop is misplaced and ruins the game, I do think it’s important in hunting games and most action RPG styles since the replay ability takes a hit with the ability to do everything on one character and investment you put into them