Why are Philadelphia Eagles SO polarizing?; What next for Washington Commanders?

[@timdaniel1448]

How does The O Line Committee pick against the most dominant team in the trenches. Cam Jurgens and Landon Dickerson are MEN.

[@Mark-sk6om]

Because they don't have patrick mahomes

[@feetonland6609]

Because they don’t know shit bout football lol

[@Confooosion]

Give it a week. Guarantee 1 will change their pick

[@MikeHawk-00]

@@feetonland6609lol the NFL vets don’t know shit about football, sure😂

[@robertgoodman7114]

@@feetonland6609 Huh! You played football where?

[@bruceheysse4835]

The Eagles OLT Jordan Mialatta was drafted in the 7th round - best example of O-Line homegrown talent.

[@modogg42]

They put the load on Saquan, but he took the least amount of damage in his career this year.

[@yugdesiral]

I always remember him being injury prone I was worried when we signed.. but damn. Dude is barely touched half the time. MVP

[@danielvalentino3675]

Take less damage when you run 60 yards TD untouched.

[@MrBaiyifan]

Big relevant facts 💯

[@IH8AI]

"No snap, no play, on the dumb dumb" LMAO

[@MarliQQLuv]

I understand why people hate the Eagles and the fanbase but at the same time I dont. We are literally the affectionate asshole of an uncle that most people have in their families. So we shouldnt receive as much hate as we do. I mean people talk about us as if everything we do is in some bubble that has never happened in any other fan bases. Bills throw snowballs at their players and nobody batted an eye. But EVERYONE remembers an Eagles incident from 1968 where we threw snowballs at a guy who was literally a drunk dude they paraded around as Santa because the real Santa was AWOL. So I mean at this point I just accept that people hate us no matter what and thats cool. As long as we win.

[@cmorris9494]

The part that gets me is most of the people at the Santa snowball game are not alive.

[@jimquast8186]

That’s right bro fuck the Eagle fans

[@katyas-mom]

We're in our villain era now. Let em yap.

[@kruksog]

I grew up in montana with no natural nfl team. Had foles on my fantasy team in 2013 (27 - 2 season) and it was so exciting that I just decided the birds were my team. Feel like I made the right choice. It's been awesome.

[@stevebabiak6997]

“Nobody likes us and we don’t care.” - Jason Kelce

[@jackscully4686]

Without Jalen Carter's sack in the critical moment of the Rams game, the Eagles might not even be here. I'm putting him down as the x factor in this superbowl.

[@MrBaiyifan]

He's been an X-factor every game, all year long 💪🏿

[@TheVibesnstuff]

Ignorant take about the Eagles and the 2022 season team. They lost to Mahomes because of the defense. That was the difference. This Eagles team is more disciplined in scheme, in tackling, and in coverage. Saquon is the man, and is this team's MVP. And while it takes a 53 man roster to win a chip, if the Eagles make it happen this season, it will be because of Fangio's defense. Saying things confidently does not take the place of accuracy. Go Birds!

[@matts8039]

28:14 The Eagles were done with Luvu jumping the count. Luvu had blown up the 3rd down play on the previous drive by jumping the count. So they let him do it repeatedly to let him learn.

[@romanbaird1625]

They let him make a complete fool of himself just to run out clock. They've been doing this all year because it's HARD to run out 30 minutes of clock.

[@richardcampbell9892]

Alex the O-line vets Lane, Landon and Mailata took the load, they went to Sirrianni during the bye and told him put the load on us, Saquon is special, Use us we will win the games. And they did! But it was the O-line who called for it.

[@Rob-w7q]

I love this podcast because J and Boony make me laugh out load!

[@JTZIII]

Name a team with this many superstars where the head coach can keep everything in house. Nick's done a great job. He not only stopped the leaks but he stopped a whole flood from last year. We give Tomlin credit for handling divas but it's a knock on Nick. Baffling that he doesn't get any credit.

[@gongqi67]

That dude didn't just jump off sides, he flew over the center and into Hurts. Multiple times. Cringy.

[@stevebabiak6997]

The first time he led with his helmet, and that should have been called.

[@jakethornton4856]

Tbh there is a huge difference between the 2022 eagles and the 2024 eagles. In 22 on defense they were completely dependent on getting pressure from the d line and jumping everything and they had huge coverage issues when they cudnt get any pressure(like in the second half of the super bowl). This year they are way better in coverage and less dependent on getting pressure from the d line because they know they can cover and force the qb to throw it short until Jalen Carter or one of the other d lineman gets a sack or the offense makes a mistake. The offense in 22 was amazing but in 23 the coaches didnt understand the offense they were running they were just trying to call the same plays. Jalen has proven in the right offense he can be a top 5 or 6 qb but I feel like he is doing pretty well in the offense he is in now even tho a lot of it isnt what he is the best at running. If Steichen was still the play caller I think Barkley cud have gotten 2000 and Jalen cud have thrown for 4000 still. I like Kellen Moore but I feel the same way about him as I do Joe Brady, they arent really that great of coordinators but they are so much better than the guy they replaced it is making them look good but if u look at Steichen's offense compared to Moore's (other than a few new running concepts) his offense(even for the colts this year) is was better than Moore's. The thing I worry about is can the current eagles coaching staff find weaknesses in the Chiefs defense that Steichen did because Spags is going to do things that don't make sense and you have to make him pay or he won't stop.

[@MrBaiyifan]

Boone is so on point, man. It's pick your poison and daring Jalen to hit that group of receivers (Goedert still is an underrated big-time threat) is just the LESS RISKY proposition. Its not optimal because they dang near won a super bowl -one odd fumble away - without Saquon already.

[@sjost8654]

Great content on this show. Learn a lot from your analysis. Deep dive into line play is so often overlooked, and so important..

[@laquonl]

Vic Fangio was the biggest addition to this team. Last year’s collapse wouldn’t have happened with this defense

[@ForrestFairie]

He’s great, but Mahomes is 8-0 against Fangio defenses. Something has to change for his defensive schemes, clearly.

[@2JetStowa]

Idc!!! Football gods blessed me with him! I’m happy to have him, best part of life rn!!

[@lordhegamonster6931]

Who?

[@motomedic72]

No doubt Barkley was the missing link in our OFFENSE. Zach Baun was the missing link in our DEFENSE. Baun is the best LB we have had since Joyner. Our Special teams has been suspect for years. With Mann and Sydney brown on ST, we have improved every part of our team. Even the 2nd and 3rd team player are scoring on teams. Only the refs can lose the game for us now... Taylor Swift was a great move for the Chiefs in the off season.

[@lordhegamonster6931]

Swift made Kelce soft. Shell of his former self.. will be rooting for the Eagles for the first time ever 💯

[@tmass7013]

E-L-G-L-E-S ... per the Mayor of Philadelphia

[@cmorris9494]

I don't care how she spells it if the eagles win the superbowl.

[@matts8039]

32:06 NFC East in the 2004-2006 had 4 Hall of Fame Coaches Joe Gibbs 2004-2007 Bill Parcells 2003-2006 Andy Reid 1999-2012 Tom Coughlin 2004-2015 Assuming Tom Coughlin and Andy Reid get in the Hall of Fame. I think Reid is a guarantee. Coughlin is borderline, but with 2 Super Bowl wins, I don’t know how he doesn’t get in.

[@tinkdnuos]

@@matts8039 if Eli gets in, Coughlin should too. Personally I think neither REALLY deserves it but it's not up to me. FWIW, as an Eagles fan, I looked forward to playing Coughlin's Giants twice a year. It was just a vibe he gave off, but those games always felt like he was gonna bungle them somehow.

[@stevebabiak6997]

@@tinkdnuos - and he had Matt Dodge to help ;) They’re the midGets for a reason ;)

[@MIKELIN8]

Funny that the o-line guys went for the team with flash, and not much else. The Eagles have the best lines in the league, both sides. These guys make a video on the Eagles lmost every week talking about the Eagles' o-line. And still, they went for the team with flash. That 50-burger the Eagles dropped on them yesterday? If Hurts wasn't put out of the December game, I know...I KNOW...they would have dropped a 50-burger in that game too. The Commanders have very little on defense, especially against the run.

[@walking_on_MARZ]

Excellent work men!

[@markelia1075]

How many holding calls will the Eagles OL get during the SB? How many Roughing the Passers will the Eagles DL get called for against Mahomes? Eagles are so far and away more physical and talented then the Chiefs on both sides of the ball. The only wildcard is the NFL.

[@ericday4505]

Absolutely, just like the last SB they met, when the Eagles out played them in every real category, but their defense kept falling down at the line of scrimmage, thanks to that ridiculous field. Nobody can tell me the league didn't intervene in that SB. Travesty.

[@danielvalentino3675]

I think at this point, the NFL wants as little flags as possible. National stage, they don't want the Refs to be front and center. I enjoyed the limited flags in the NFCC. While WAS had 9 penalties, 4 of them were on that ridiculous tush push drive.

[@ericday4505]

@@danielvalentino3675 As to your point about that Tush Push, Nick calls that play, and the Eagles are not nearly as effective as they were with Kelce, I mean he calls it on like third and a long two, or a yard and a half, they just dont get the surge they used to get. My goodness, third and two, spread the formation, and either run to Barkley, or QB draw or a quick little pass to the outside, or your TE across the middle, that is like 4 possible options, rather than the entire world knowing what is coming and if someone's footing is not there or someone jumps, its moved back, third and a foot or two, ok but trying to get this yard and a half, with this banged up center, no Nick.

[@ericday4505]

Wait those two guys picked the Commanders, wow, thought they knew football. A little bit.

[@waltervidas9551]

Stopping Saquon is easier said than done. He's kinda proved it all season.

[@rdougherty137]

Hot take: playing single high against Saquon is a bad idea. Watch the big plays in the last two games it was against single high safety. in order to stop him you have to stay committed to shell coverage oddly enough.

[@tinkdnuos]

@@rdougherty137 exactly right! That's why, ironically, the one DC I would trust to contain the Eagles running game is Vic Fangio lol

[@dylanreeder6652]

I love how spicy this got 🤣

[@davidnelson6874]

Here’s a theoretical question: How quickly could the Vikings transition to a gap zone running scheme? Would the entire interior offensive line have to be replaced? Would the OC and O-Line coaches have to be replaced with coaches that had excelled in gap zone schemes? Or is it not quite that complicated?

[@jhonis]

this show was great, seemingly unbiased takes by looking at talent and performance at each position. this episode however... Go birds.

[@papa_starch4]

Howie M'Fn Roseman. He's built the eagles through the trenches year in and year out, they've had one of the best OL and DL since like 2017 and they just keep reloading it up year in and year out.

[@papa_starch4]

And HUGE props for knowing and attacking their weakness of a terrible secondary and flipping that to one of the best in the league in one offseason. Drafting Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean while bringing back CGJ has been the difference

[@3101home]

eagles fan here. Commanders and J Daniels had a marvelous year, but after they slayed the NFC dragon (Lions), I said to myself that there was the Commanders Super Bowl and they played the Eagles a week later like it was true. Next season should be very interesting in the NFC East

[@davidnelson6874]

It’s as if Howie Roseman cheats in the draft. Which of course he doesn’t. The team knows that when massively talented defensive linemen fall in the draft you take them. Then you’ll never ever have to trade for them or sign them in free agency. Another suggestion I would have is to trade veteran players for first round picks to poorly run teams. That is a way to get higher than expected first draft picks in exchange in addition to your own. And don’t be afraid to trade back a little. But be disciplined and don’t trade back to far. Great talent always falls in the draft-always. Then fill in gaps in free agency. Sometimes drafting for need is inevitable but it should be the exception.

[@GoodTimeMark]

Hypothetical Question: If there was a college punter entering the draft that was a guarantee to pin opponents inside 5 yard line every single punt (never gets returned) regardless of field position. Where would he go in the draft?

[@Go_B1rds]

By not snapping the ball and making them jump off sides, they bled over a minute, plus off the clock.

[@TheMinor7th]

Saquon is great because he’s and Eagle. Sorry, that’s just facts. Ask him and he’ll tell you word for word…”you can’t be great without the greatness of others” This whole team loaded. Go Birds 🦅

[@danielvalentino3675]

Hahaha. Dont pressure from the inside. Force them to run up the middle.....Barkley and the Oline suport that message.

[@PoschSpice30]

I’ve asked this question a few times but with what happened in the NFC championship game with the 12 offsides in a row Washington had, I’ll ask it again. When there’s multiple half the distance to the goal penalties called, does the ball actually get moved to the 1/4 or 1/8th yard line or does it just stay put?

[@lordhegamonster6931]

Yes, ball was on the 1|32nd yard line which is why they scored so easily..

[@psjonesi55]

The Eagles franchise is playing their 3rd SB in 7 years. Yes, Barkley is the man and a principle reason the Birds won. That's why they brought him in. No ego here. But he didn't get to the SB before now and he does not block for himself or play Defense. Throw shade at Jalen Hurts, but his teams have been to two SBs and four playoff appearances during his years as a starter. Those are facts. Hate is subjective and personal.

[@BassForever]

Part 2 got uploaded first, ding!

[@TheMinor7th]

Bro really just said “we need to make Jalen beat us. We need to stop Saquon and let the passing game try to beat us” Have you not listened to the last 8 weeks of commentary before every single Eagles game?

[@christofercook2248]

Their NOT the only people. EAGLES made Alot of people eat their words yesterday . All season actually !

[@Tmindful182]

Problem with Saquon is stacking the box leads to 65 yard TD’s…. Nothing can make Eagles one dimensional. IMO you just play 2 high and allow no explosives in pass or run game. I hope the chiefs stack the box. Much better run defenses than the chiefs have tried to stop this run game

[@mikeflynn902]

Mackey's right, no one in the Bears front office knows pro football, they should've hired McCarthy.

[@johnmichael8368]

Brady still hates the Giants for 18-1

[@Eidenhoek]

Not me angry that we didn't get so many encroachments to have a touchdown declared.

[@wideglide2153]

half the world wanted the Commies to win but a majority knew the eagles should win

[@hikerinpam33]

They picked the commanders because they are jabrones.... Come on this was a easy pick... Come on... The commanders only beat us because Jalen was out and the team was actually due for a loss. They weren't really up for that game and tge commanders were playing like it was the superbowl. That last regular division game didn't mean anything for us.

[@anthonyschuster6403]

if vikings think we dont paid guard then that got to change

[@intrepidfool]

I thought Daniels played well and looked calm. His team did not though and played poorly with the turnovers, dropped balls, and defense.

[@mikeronald3812]

Disagree with Luvu jumping. If he times it right they may get the TO. The odds of Philly scoring is almost a guarantee. If Personally the Tush Push is more childish than the nump. Eagles have a bunch of guys pushing the qb over the goal line. That's more pop warner than what Luvu did.

[@yugdesiral]

Imagine defending luvu, that dude is reckless af.

[@tinkdnuos]

The push/shove/whatever is COMPLETELY stoppable, without jumping the count or breaking any other rules. But it requires selling out in a way almost no DC would ever, ever be willing to.

[@katyas-mom]

It's only stoppable if the Eagles mess it up.

[@bonzology322]

The laughable thing is the complete misunderstanding of basic physics by D’s and coaches

[@tinkdnuos]

@@katyas-mom not true. It can be stopped EASILY, but it requires putting more D linemen on the field than a lot of teams even carry on their roster. With a normal roster you'd need to essentially stick 10 or even all 11 players into a stacked push stance though, which means you'd have no prayer against a fake. Possibly still worth it in a lot of scenarios though.

[@tinkdnuos]

@@bonzology322 and they forget that arguably, defense has an advantage. Offensive players (at least linemen) are not allowed to be in physical contact with each other before the snap, i.e. they can't phalanx. The defense faces no such restrictions. They can literally interlock like a rugby scrum if they want to.

[@bonzology322]

@ the O knows the snap count, all else being perfectly equal..... advantage O

[@Xion-Rotti]

At this point you can’t say Siriani is anything but a great fucking coach. So many people see him as a bumbling idiot but an idiot doesn’t put the best team on the field week after week.

[@mikewintrode9470]

Who gets the credit for that penalty Tuddy on the stat sheet?

[@TheMinor7th]

Hall of Fame coach Sirianni

[@Joshua-y2y]

Nothing to do with the O line.. and pretty dismissive of the best team in football.. it's not just Saquan, if the Eagles also have the #1 defense. And fail to mention the Oand D lines?

[@buckstraw925]

The reason the Eagles are going to the SB is because they have the best roster and the best OL in the league AND they have Saquon. If it was only Saquon then the Giants would have been in the SB.

[@Danks-vz5xz]

They'll change their ways after the eagles win by 20

[@chamangus]

Give you credit for owning your fail, but I'm also petty enough to say we told you so.

[@BrauckMan]

Ok boys, seriously...it's pronounced NEW-CLEE-US....not NEW-Q-LUS. :). Yeah...I'm that guy lol

[@stevebabiak6997]

That’s the Jimmy Carter influence: he referred to himself as a nucular engineer

[@TheMinor7th]

Making excuses for the Redskins after the literal biggest asswhoopin in Conference Championship history is pretty weak.

[@paulfedor9828]

E-A-G-L-E-S!!! Most of the media doubted us..... How did you pick against us?

[@bonzology322]

The rhino is right! the jump over the line gives you ZERO leverage, it's the act of a bonehead and it has NEVER stopped the tushpush

[@intrepidfool]

Sucks that this is the matchup. Probably won’t watch it (unless it happens to be on and I have nothing else to do). Would have been excited for Bills or Washington. Cannot stand the Eagles and their fans and hope they get destroyed. But not a Chiefs fan so am not really rooting for them, just rooting against the Eagles.

[@PATTIGIBLIN]

Bud Grant is in the HOF, never won a SB!

[@baddadjoke2197]

Can anyone beat the Eagles? Idk, but on February 9th we're going to find out if the Chiefs and the refs can.

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

Cant ever trust sad and salty Vikes fans when they talk about Philly... So sad

[@ninjafroggie1]

wow what a dumb take..."its all saquan" bullshit. Hes a big part of it sure, but this is a VERY different eagles defense than what the chiefs faced 2 years ago. That defense was all line, no secondary. Now the eagles actually have a secondary thats damned good, and still have a damned good d-line. #1 defense, IIRC they were like #20 2 years ago.

[@cmorris9494]

I have no problem saying the eagles won the superbowl if the reason is saquon. The new England patriots won because of tom Brady. Great players win superbowls.

[@jimquast8186]

Already crying about how they got screwed. So Eagles

[@cmorris9494]

@jimquast8186 are you replying to the right comment?

[@stevebabiak6997]

How many Super Bowls did the midGets win with Saquon? They only won one playoff game ever with him.

[@paulfedor9828]

Jayden Daniels who?

[@richardcampbell9892]

J is a little salty after his Bills waste another opp to go Bowling

[@bonzology322]

You don’t KNOW ANYTHING about the fans, Serrianni and Brown, the media is horseshit

[@romanbaird1625]

Tell the talking head to shut up. He's embarrassing himself with non-issue, media story lines because he thinks this is ESPN or NFL Network. Replace him with a PEZ dispenser. At least then we'll have candy. And more useful commentary.

[@donnacochran3335]

Somewhere Troy Polamalu is smiling 😊 We were robbed of the Nick ALLEGRETTI SB!! Really excited to see Washington having done so well this year. The AFC West now has 3 Superbowl winning coaches and one that's been to the SB

[@bonzology322]

The eagles are going to dog walk the chiefs, it won’t be close

[@raymondhoagland4976]

was thinking the same !

[@donnacochran3335]

We'll see 😂😂❤️💛❤️💛

[@wessheavner4294]

The last time they met in the super bowl the experts said the iggles had the greatest pass rush since the 85 bears. If i remember right they got 0 sacks. Andy is the king. Halas and shula didnt do it in free agent salary cap eras so they dont count.

[@tinkdnuos]

@@wessheavner4294 I remember that game too, and the biggest story for 2 weeks afterwards was how slippery that turf was and how no one on the edge for either team could get off the ball at full speed without losing their footing. It didn't affect the outcome significantly (hurt the Eagles more, but that's the risk of leaning on one unit), but you can't seriously argue that the Eagles poor pass rush in that game had anything at all to do with Andy.

[@angrydrunkengerman2819]

Hurts can't throw and can't run worth a shid now either. KC loads the box and shuts down Barkley. Blitz Hurts on 3rd and long. McDuffie takes away Brown. 3rd straight super bowl...

[@Go_B1rds]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tinkdnuos]

@@angrydrunkengerman2819 takes away Brown? I see you've been smoking that "lysergic" pack lol

[@angrydrunkengerman2819]

@@tinkdnuos He's already done it. I see you forgot that. Who has McDuffie not erased this year? Hell, Brown might just quit on his own.

[@tinkdnuos]

@@angrydrunkengerman2819 when did he do that? AJ had just shy of 100 yds and a TD in the previous SB matchup. Are you talking about the regular season game last year when the Eagles won in Arrowhead? Because I'd be fine with that outcome too.

[@romanbaird1625]

Why reply to someone with a screen name that tells you he's not worth it?

[@mickholohan4266]

The best! AROUND!!

[@slickificationful]

Here’s a dumb football question, is there any reason I should even watch the damn Super Bowl this year? I hate both of these teams. We could’ve had Bills v Commanders…

[@Joshua-y2y]

That's an easy fix. Don't watch.

[@slickificationful]

@ I know, I don’t plan to watch, might watch the highlights but I just think there’s a better way to spend 5 hours of my time on that Sunday night, my comment was more of a joke than anything 😂

[@PATTIGIBLIN]

Bills vs Eagles would have worked. The Bills then could get beat by the entire NFC East!!

[@Majestic7387]

DFQ. How does Jalen Carter kill someone and get to walk free with no consideration of the kids family

[@Majestic7387]

Not even a public apology so I just want to know what you guys are thoughts were on that

[@tinkdnuos]

@@Majestic7387 well for starters he didn't kill anyone. He was a passenger in the vehicle.

[@jS-wd9pl]

CHIEFs will

[@UncleSnottie]

In *slight* defense of the Giants, Saquon screwed them over too. He said he wanted to be there for life. He said it wasn't about money. They told him to get a number from the market and come back to them and he signed for more money without giving them a chance. Additionally, Saquon got himself in the best shape of his career this offseason which he would not have done with the Giants. Finally, the Giants could win with Barkley when he was less expensive, not sure they would've been better off paying him even more. The Giants main issue is for over a decade they've refused to just strip everything down and rebuild. Even with losing Saquon and DJ, they made a big move in getting Burns. They're perpetually stuck in this mindset where they think they are close to winning and not in a rebuild mode. If fans truly side with Barkley, rather than bury the Giants they should thank them for freeing him and giving him a chance to play in a Super Bowl. He would not get there as a Giant.

[@UncleSnottie]

The Giants also need to learn from Ereck Flowers and Mekhi Becton and finally move Evan Neal to guard!