Why Are Some Chinese Men So Feminine? - Intermediate Chinese - Chinese Conversation - Audio Podcast

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就是哦

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[@xiaor4585]

I like the look of those type of feminine men. Everyone can look how they want. Feminine men and Masculine men can both be attractive. Everyone can have their own preference but i dont like if people make fun of the feminine men. Everyone has a different idea of beauty and not everyone has to conform to your personal preference of beauty. Good intersting video.

[@tentimetex]

its just because its trendy right now and youve also probably been reading manga and watching anime, thats why. :-)

[@HawaiiYou88]

@Mark Carson Human nature?! That’s just an excuse to be hateful. How is a man dressing like a woman hurting anyone though? Let him be.

[@HawaiiYou88]

@Mark Carson That’s why we need to change this. I don’t think it’s human nature to be hateful and judgmental. All of these were taught to us ‘cause when I was little, I had never judged anyone. Due to the environment I was in and the ppl I was around, I became very judgmental as I grew older.

[@aryanemarques2089]

Awesome comment, agree with you 100%, we need to respect more each other's preferences

[@Preciousdiamond-2]

Yes u are right

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my only complaint is that it isnt in traditional chinese

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[@roujiamo8570]

Excellent content. To language learners, try to just listen without looking at the screen. They speak very clear Chinese.

[@luciesolcova6776]

Great video! I have never really thought about the historical aspect of the feminine appearance of Chinese boys.

[@aafa83]

Funny to see Luhan used as an example of 小鲜肉 because, in his latest drama "Crossfire", his appearance is completely opposite of that. I think he's probably trying to distance himself from that earlier image now that he's 30 and be taken as a serious actor; He actually did a good job in that drama.

[@yannickjohn6930]

Like what actors and public celebs do in order to be taken more seriously. Once the trend ends, what's next?

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i really appreciate the effort you put on subtitles, translating everything. Thank you so much.

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[@x1005daytoy]

I was smiling and light at the same times as they mentioned the word "Fresh meat" and the topic was ended became luhan. I mean bruh, I just knew what fresh meat means and Luhan will indeed caught anyone's attention when it comes to those things. Not to mention Cai Xukun, they're on the top lol.

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This guy seems to be so friendly. He has a beautiful smile. :) I loved this interview. =) Thanks a lot!

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感谢两位老师们，你们的对话对我的汉语学习很有帮助。Best Regards from 西班牙阿利坎特！

[@adriancann5056]

in trying to understand more about Chinese culture and opinions I've found your blogs are really great. I do have a couple of comments about today's show. most western women have the same male beauty standards as Chinese ladies. huge muscles are not considered attractive by most women. in addition, I think (just opinion) that the reason for so many young men becoming more feminine in their dress is that they are trying to attract young women. Young women, especially teenagers, seem to be very nervous or shy when they are around very masculine men. These feminine males make these girls less nervous. When you see the feminine KPOP groups, most of their fans are the teenage types. I'm not disagreeing with what you've said in the video, I just think this is another reason to add to your comments.

[@xakatas9510]

kek they never accept the truth

[@iangreen180]

I'm not really learning Chinese, but I found this conversation, open, honest, and without fear of criticism, very refreshing to listen to, like you have a freedom of speech in this topic that has been destroyed in recent years in the English-speaking world.

[@Enoch-Root]

Lol, I've been living in China for several years, and Westerners still often say that Chinese people don't have freedom of speech, but in daily life I have more freedom than I'd have in the West where I would quickly get in trouble for saying that women are not men and vice versa, etc.

[@samdobie6748]

No freedom of speech to criticise the government though (that won't end well for you in China).

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Thank you again for this great content！ There is indeed a metallic sound to your voice coupled to some echo, but it in no way prevented me from understanding you and matching your voice to the pinyin tones. So no harm done😁 Besides, it's free content. And one does Not find free content of this quality everywhere.多谢！

[@OckieHardy]

Nothing wrong being feminine for guys or masculine for girls, all are human being and has their own right to be what they want to, i love them equally 💞💞💞

[@averageuser7956]

No, men shoud be a men, and women should be a women.

[@neo4552]

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

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As an intermediate Chinese learner this is really useful - because it is so interesting, not just rote learning.

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Great channel to learn chinese, thanks for you hard work Eilen !

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[@Lanandr]

Hahaha sooo interesting topic - even in English! Thank you very much! 🦋💜🦋 Just yesterday I showed my 10 y o niece (we are from Kazakhstan originally but more international living now) a photo of one of my fav actors Luo Yunxi and she didn’t like him at all coz she initially thought it was... a beautiful girl rather a 30+ guy 🤣🤣🤣 Same she thought about some korean pop stars i gave her after - she was mad about their very obvious make up and non-masculine looks 😜 Her parents feel the same... Yes there is some groups among young girls in russian speaking countries who are very big fans of that type of super feminine k-pop or chinese pop stars but then they get married and have kids there is ZERO chance that those yesterday’s fans would want their sons look like this 😁 that appearance and manners would be considered sort of the curse for the boy rather than blessing 😁

[@tbigpictcha]

Hi Mandarin Corner. Please can you do a pod cast in Chinese on the western phenomenon named the Soy Boys. Similarly to your views on effeminate men in Chinese pop culture I'd be interested to hear what you have to say regarding the Soy Boy in Western Europe and America.

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@Mark Carson Indeed, it definitely needs a looking in to by Mandarin Corner Channel. It's definitely one I'd tune in for!!

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[@ThemommaBear195]

I love your content! Xiaofeng is very funny and manly and has great hair. Excellent content Eileen!! Thanks so much! We have this phenomenon is the US too. They did a study where they showed women the same man’s face where it was digitally modified to look more masculine (broader chin, firmer eye brow ridges, things associated with higher testosterone) or where it was modified to look more feminine with a more narrow chin softer features. They found women preferred the more masculine men when they felt unsafe financially or lived in an unsafe area but preferred the softer man when they felt more confident financially and otherwise. I wonder if this is what is happening in China?

[@jan-ef1fp]

i don't know but i don't think that's the main reason. i can understand where they're coming from too. girls now might prefer guys that aren't "masculine" bcs they're seen as less aggressive or unhygienic unlike a stereotypical man, and would prefer someone who isn't afraid to open up about their feelings. i feel like women who are softer and delicate might want a masculine man to protect them while a strong confident woman might not want that and would like feminine man as a counterpart?

[@ccc-e1f]

Your videos are the most insightful ever. Thank you both so much for this one.

[@tentimetex]

I think young people are very influenced by trends, and their tastes are shaped by what they see in the media. Right now kpop is trendy and so is anime, and both have feminine men and characters. Therefor its normal that some young people find that attractive. But these things change.

[@jan-ef1fp]

idk, i don't think it's a bad thing. it's nice to see something different from the norms

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Please make more video like this, I appreciate it

[@chrismf1407]

Another great video

[@user-iy3gx9qg4y]

Finally, femboy question on the Mandarin Corner

[@stevenv6463]

@唐三藏 yes why are their ears so delicious?

[@JBfan88]

@唐三藏 中國沒什麼猶太人，為什麼你覺得這是適合的話題？

[@s0lanav]

@@JBfan88 因为他是纳粹。他厌恶犹太人。

[@user-iy3gx9qg4y]

@@s0lanav 不实的. 这是关于“犹太问题”的笑话。 谷歌那。

[@samsammm7231]

Oh I love Hua Chen Yu. Unique talent. Great voice no doubt. He is a real man inside.

[@digitaldazzle5836]

Thank you bringing light to this issue. I'm sorry but I just think it's shameful for a man to be prettier than a woman. Lol. It's really embarrassing to see all these soft and delicate flower boys portrayed as heroes. 🤣. Whatever happened to the days when the men from China were portrayed as battle hardened MEN? I miss those days. America too!

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Hmm. Learned something already.好

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its me or i find Eileen voice a bit different? maybe the mic?

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the topic very interesting and the channel is very fantastic, I read the just the English sub-titles hope that I'll be able to understand a real Chinese

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谢谢，很有意思的话题。我在中国两年，我发现了越来越多男人女性化。

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[@lex6819]

The fact that masculinity in women is acceptable but femininity in men is not just shows how little Chinese society values female qualities. They have a long way to go to dismantle the patriarchy.

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This type of culture Just starting now in tik tok . This video changed my thought. Love from Nepal

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Perfect content!

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Thank you for your feedback on our earlier videos, Taylor. Because most of our videos are labor-intensive, we have to be very selective on what we produce. For the last two years, our primary impetus for producing videos has been to create content that provide insights into how Chinese think, the conversations and stories they have and is also informative about contemporary Chinese culture. We find that we can't do this very well if we confine ourselves to producing beginner videos. We never have seen ourselves as Chinese teachers, but as video creators that produce Mandarin content that Chinese students find interesting, informative and have some educational value - as a byproduct. We know this is different from what we initially did, but we all don't want to feel that we being put in a box. Most of us need to explore new directions and evolve. This is the direction that gives us a sense of fulfillment. However, we will still do some of the earlier type of videos, just not very often.

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[@chinasubtitled8892]

我想到前一阵子热播的《传闻中的陈芊芊》。在女人地位高男人地位低的花垣城，相当于青楼的教坊司里，那些取悦女性的男性乐人就是很“女性化”的。这或许和社会地位有关。

[@estherandherlittleworld7821]

Sophisticated guys .... ❤️ I think this kind of phenomenon hasn't become a thing in Brazil yet as our film industry are not that big and etc.

[@larrysmith2123]

Nice topic 🌝🌝

[@isassetuba]

I love this channel but it felt one sided today when he read the comments

[@crochet-and-coffee]

He read the opposite opinions later . Watch fully

[@SoiBoi_Kelda1059]

25:08 “That was the main purpose of postmodernism”

[@johnmccreery7550]

這個視頻非常好。很歡迎在作者嚴格的視頻.

[@AnalisandoSampa]

I agree that this is a phenomenon that is spreading worldwide. In Brazilian main cities you can see either men looking like women or vice versa. You can also see homosexual couples (of two men or two women) naturally walking, in the subway or wherever. And it's not ethical to do some types of comments. Even some statements in his video could be considered discrimination here. You cannot classify that as "not normal". Penalties for gender or sexual orientation discrimination are the same as for racism. Some companies are offerings job openings for transexuals as part of their diversity policies.

[@cabal4171]

Yeah asian countries, especially china and japan from what ive seen arent as PC as us here in the west

[@brightlongpham]

東北哥哥的普通話怎麼這麼清晰啊？跟我知道的完全不一樣。

[@mluisaforatini7261]

... or "Light Breath"?....

[@AmaniCarson]

And this is what I love about Asian men/Asian culture. It shouldn't just be up to the women to make effort to look pretty

[@leonardovosper8550]

Chinese people have a long tradition of favouring and deifying a feminized men. In 1990s almost everyone love Leslie Cheung, who acted a gay character in the movie . Maybe such kind of feminized characters are considered to be more gentle and sympathetic.

[@leonardovosper8550]

It's actually such temperament that attracts fans, but not only the look.

[@shannonsutherland2450]

Yes, many of them are 妈宝男 😁

[@reigninblood123]

That guy from the Buddha video 也是北方人。 Unless I am mistaken

[@MandarinCorner2]

No, he is from Sichuan, a local Leshan guy. However, he lived in Qinghai (west north) for a while.

[@stalker21able]

Everything is great 10/10, but microphone still need to be adjusted properly

[@MandarinCorner2]

Adjustments in what specific areas?

[@agustinl2302]

@@MandarinCorner2 Your mic sounds a little saturated or echo-y.

[@marcuskeum8500]

I don’t hear any issues with the mic

[@tydalm.9665]

@@MandarinCorner2 Eileen, I personally do not care, but there is a very short delay/echo on your voice track, which makes your voice sound a bit metallic/robotic. Since it's not on the track of your guest, my bet is your microphone picked up your voice from your headphone. Anyway, thanks for the video!!!

[@MandarinCorner2]

@Agustín L Frankly, we don't hear the echo and we are not sure what you mean by "a little saturated". As we responded in an earlier comment, we are not audio or video professionals, so if something is not *really bad* , we just can't distinguish subtle faults in the production. Our goal is not to do a CCTV production (especially with no budget) but to produce free videos with decent enough quality that serves the *main purpose* of providing (hopefully) interesting Chinese conversations with good sound and clear subtitles. We are a little puzzled why some viewers feel so compelled to complaint about the audio and take no notice on the video content.

[@febbychen3966]

Is xiaofeng has any social media acc? I want to follow him 😊

[@mluisaforatini7261]

Eileen, 那我们的东北哥们儿👨🏻‍⚖️，就是晓峰🌋，什么时候再来⛷️讲我们有趣的事情🎨关于🖼️东北方❄️？我是很感兴趣的😍! 对了，我很喜欢北方口音，特别儿话音😜，也爱干燥的气候像在俄罗斯，在莫斯科 🕌 的！而且我也很很喜欢西瓜🍉吃饭，但从来没有试西瓜汁儿🍹啊！我猜它味道是左右一样的😋，对吧？ 很多外国人是留哪儿现在的吗？本地人态度 对他们怎么样？生活费一般说是不是高吗？等等..... ⚠️ 我就一般完全不喜欢蹭车 (在转义上!), 所以我觉得很尴尬的因为到现没送去你们的. 我一定要这个做尽可能快! (🤞)

[@linlinpaing2577]

This is right.A lot of men are becoming more feminine and also on the other side countless of women are becoming more manly.

[@David-bw9qi]

the phrases used to describe the men is so negative and/or derogatory. The world changes style, fashion, culture etc. If a male is confident in who he is, why would there be any problem unless he is insecure with himself. There are different tastes in the entertainment world. Glad you are talking about it.

[@mluisaforatini7261]

(我要尝试... I'll try... to enter the discussion!) 第一，关于小鲜肉的现象，在我看来，很多责任有舆论工具，比如 说 演剧 跟时髦的世界，而且青年的渴望成功.... 因为少的工作机会，其实 市场化要求.... 第二 （I'll say that in Engl.:), maybe one girl and/or woman may sometimes feel attracted by slightly effeminate boys and/or men owing to a lack of tenderness in her life; otherwise, as she is aware of owing in her own nature a few more or less stressed male traits, and therefore for compensation or Tao ☯️ Law's sake, she may think she would need such kind of a guy nearby to live with and fulfill a good harmony.... Who knows? 🔮 我很好奇，你们同事的小凤名字 是什么意思？Little Wind?... (Windfall?...!) 😀

[@MandarinCorner2]

他的名字不是“小凤”，这是个女孩的名字。 I asked him about the meaning of his name. His name is 晓峰 which means "morning peaks / mountains".

[@vaidehiranade3046]

02:03 - 北方的口音跟南方的一样吗? 04:38 - 播客主题现在开始 08:34 - '小鲜肉' 的意思是什么呢？ 15:11 - 娱乐圈的一些反应 19:49 - 支持这个现象的声音

[@mluisaforatini7261]

好吧! ... 在前面还站一个像公牛🐂沉重的年, 但后忠于要到了老虎🐯 (或者母虎!🐅) 的年吧!!! .... .... 🎶🎵🎶

[@mohammedazam2729]

like so much , zui xihuan

[@KennyG-qh8jc]

If this is intermediate what is advanced, i should maybe give up....

[@takashi8san]

This channel is like gold to me, as a mandarin student. This is so much better than all those vids with robotic phrases.

[@CurrentChinese]

So true I have started watching it myself!

[@hazemkhoja2101]

IMHO, taking care of your skin isn't feminine 😅

[@citrusblast4372]

Its funny cause african american men (the race considered most masculine) use lotion alll the time and love taking care of themselves

[@patrickbateman7157]

@@citrusblast4372 >the race considered most masculine Only women

[@hazemkhoja2101]

@@citrusblast4372 Nice observation, but I think it's a must for them. While everyone gets ashy, it's most visible on darker skin.

[@hazemkhoja2101]

“the race considered most masculine”different cultures have different preconceived notions about different races

[@citrusblast4372]

@@patrickbateman7157 I've been trying to support my point but youtube keeps deleting my comment :/

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[@Jeroeny]

What a coincidence! I was searching for Chinese TV shows to improve my listening skills. But I was not able to find a TV show that reflects a normal life of a Chinese person. China seems to have 2 genres. 1 is about ancient China and its dynasties. And the other one an exaggeration of life. 'Perfect' looking men who are either the best student in the whole school, a doctor or the boss of a billion dollar company. But that is not what I am looking for. I want to know more about modern China. How people behave. Their norms and opinions. The culture. What they are proud of etc. If you have 1 or more suggestions. Please help me out :)

[@xinhuiwu5534]

there are so many good realistic tv shows lol😂like 三十而已（nothing but thirty，2020)，都挺好（all is well，2019)，隐秘的角落（the bad kids, 2020, strongly recommend !!!!!!），some of my favorite 90s~00s shows:炊事班的故事（2002～2007)，杨光的快乐生活（2004，a show written by chinese traditional stand up comedians, definitely a classic），编辑部的故事（stories from the editorial board，1992，a fantastic political satire），北京人在纽约（a native beijing in new york，1994）（all of them you can find on youtube），some of the shows here require a deeper understanding of the chinese society and maybe you wont like them that much at first, but for SURE china has more than just 2 genres of tv shows, like?? aint nobody cares about those pretty boy /ceo escapism fantasy drama except for some teenage girls😂😂😂😂😂 i love good historical drama shows and i get that most foreigners might find that boring or confusing, but thats not all we got, explore more if u wanna learn more, 加油！

[@xakatas9510]

@@xinhuiwu5534 these examples you cite are “exaggeration of life”.

[@l.w.3626]

A lot of people found 小欢喜 a decent reflection of student life in China

[@chelseaag1928]

X Akataš Aren’t most tv shows, though?

[@xakatas9510]

@@chelseaag1928 almost :)

[@meilinsky]

When Luhan is already about in his 30s and still regarded as fresh

[@annymus4502]

THIS IS MY PRIDE THIS IS MY CITY MY SWAG'S ON FIREEE

[@رزيئة]

That's impressive ngl. He should drop his skincare routine and health routine in general.

[@cetilly]

Great interview, and Xiao Feng was an intelligent conversation partner. The dialog is still too advanced for me so thanks for including the English subtitles.

[@dans.7651]

This is a fantastic channel. It would be worth it to watch if one wasn't even learning Mandarin, but interested in China. Thanks!

[@outdoorscholar6016]

From the netizen’s comments, I’m surprised but not surprised to see the number of males who feel threatened by this. I’m curious if this phenomenon will eventually receive support or if it will continue to be verbally attacked for generations

[@orebbiL]

Damn, this was a really interesting conversation. And besides I became surprised how I already learned some chinese words that I¨ve picked up from before. It's actually not as difficult of a language as I imagined.

[@stanleyho8009]

I’m chinese but no jokes when I saw Lu Han for the first time I wasn’t sure what his gender was 😂 it was like 60% male 40% female. Or Zhou Shen was also for me like that hahahha

[@nk6772]

Love his voice!

[@sabrinawilson9313]

Love zhoushen but for him , without seeing him i think his case is even more severe than luhans. His voice can so easily replicate a natural female sound. I do wish this podcast talked about more about how females presenting masculine traits being more accepted might actually be rooted in sexism against females (unless they said so but i missed it), but it was other wise a very interesting discussion.

[@av3ngers17]

I prefer androgynous men tbh they tend to take better care of themselves, have better hygiene, and usually have less body hair. But they're so hard to find smh

[@Maria20t]

Than, you should date a girl.That is more realistic.

[@claug1214]

I agree. I mean, I like both manly and "girly" guys, but what I really like is someone that is NOT AFRAID to be who they want to be uncaring of what people may say. Fragile masculinity is the non-atractive thing here, as I see it. I don't want to be with someone who doesn't take care of himself just because people may say "Omg, so feminine, he must be gay". Just UGH. Just go on with your lifes, people, what do you care about the rest?

[@AmaniCarson]

Same. I've always been able to find this type of guy pretty easily though

[@aryanemarques2089]

@@claug1214 agree with you 100%, fragile masculity is horrible and definetely non attractive. At the same time, I think its really hard for men to get over this fragile masculinity cuz this is what they are taught and if they go against it they are bullied by their male friends and family. At least that is what I see in my country, if a man takes care of himself, of his skin and hair for example there is always someone who calls him gay. I personally really like a man that wants to take bettter of his appearance and I don't think they are feminine or gay cuz of that, taking care of yourself is something normal, it shouldn't be sth segregated between genders.

[@jan-ef1fp]

@@Maria20t that's not the point and it's not the same thing. it's just nice and unique when it's a guy is like that. doesn't mean a feminine man = woman. just like how masculine women are obviously not the same as men.. how could you even confuse the two tbh? like genitals and everything is not the same lmao....

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