Why Are Stone Walls Banned In Feudal? This Is Why.

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[@tavish1658]

I think the issue with this strategy is how finicky siege towers are. I took the feedback survey a while ago, and it mentioned them considering giving siege towers a ramp like function, which to me sounds like a rework to siege towers mechanics, which I hope would be something along the lines of removing the garrison feature, and replace it with an ability for the siege tower to latch onto a stone wall, and as long as it stays there, your infantry can pathfind through it and onto the wall, much like they already do with gates and towers.

[@IorekMetal]

Tbh, infantry can just go up without any siege tower with walls like the one in the video.

[@benscot5728]

@@IorekMetal Your infantry can the enemy Infantry cannot without the siege tower. He is talking about the enemy infantry being able to pathfinder directly up without having to garrison into a siege tower because you can only garrison eight troops at a time

[@partydean17]

Yeah or maybe both. In case someone is implementing them to approach a very defended wall section and are trying to protect their infantry

[@returndislikes6906]

He is playing China, that is problem, not the stone walls.

[@IorekMetal]

@@benscot5728 When did they changed that?

[@saimonal6952]

stone walls should be cant built near the towncenters like aoe3(edit:it only shouldnt be built near the main tc)

[@dave6653]

The problem with walls in AO3 is since they only cost a marginal amount of wood, people have like 8 rows of walls and it's just not fun and ruins the game.

[@returndislikes6906]

LOL... Are people really taking this seriously. Its a f**** joke. The only reason it worked is because he is playing as China. No other civ can pull this off. Its issue with China not with stone walls.

[@troyb.4101]

@@dave6653 Doesn't at trubuckle take care of that issue.

[@Raven5431]

Can the enemy not get up the wall? I thought if they were on the inside portion of the gate they can get up. Maybe not horses but man at arms would work though not all civs get Maa in age 2 sooo ya nvm I guess since you cant really get close with spear or counter archer. Probably need to give units garrisoned inside a siege tower a temporary buff upon unloading. I do notice no one ever uses siege towers.

[@troyb.4101]

@@theargentraven42 Can you actually lock it? Several time the enemy just went up the gate area and killed my but!

[@Jetpower485]

@@theargentraven42 I know you can scale a locked gate if its your own if you're on the defending side. I don't know if the same applies to the enemy though.

[@theargentraven42]

@@Jetpower485 I completely forgot about that, just remembered that was possible. But if your troops can do it I guess their troops could.

[@theargentraven42]

@@troyb.4101 Sorry was wrong, I think it should still be possible for troops to go up even if the gate is locked when they are inside the walls.

[@Raven5431]

@Uncle Phil ah I must have missed that ty

[@Fonzo125]

I think moving stone walls to castle age is not the way to go. The only thing that will do is to nerf any defensive/turtle playstyle and ruin non-competetive games or games against bots. I don't really play this game competetivly, I only really play with friends or against bots, and moving stone walls to castle would ruin the fun for us, as we're all pretty defensive players who like to build up large end game armies before going for the real push, and early stone walls helps a lot with that.

[@troyb.4101]

Takes a while to get enough stone, It's really a non issue. New to this game about 50 hours of it.

[@colmduffy2272]

Drongo! ... What have you done!

[@GraysGx5000]

It might Sound Like a meme, but Siege Tower should actually counter this strat. People forget its in the game lol

[@troyb.4101]

That's a great video, on the subject.

[@Nehpets94]

I play Chinese defensively so pushing back stone walls will hurt. Just call the land where the main TC is “sacred” and deny any walls in its rage of sight. There was another strategy where players build walls with towers and surround the other player’s TC.

[@fathinalbatamiy9290]

And again Chinese is the best to execute this with regenerating wall, extra damage and faster build

[@brestopetr]

In AoE 3 you could build walls only in some distance from your TC and forts or defense towers can not be build close to enemy TC. Why did not they imply it to the AoE 4?

[@tlmadonado]

Pretty awesome build!

[@NaourassDerouichi]

Ask Szalami he will find a counter to this...

[@feuerstein6419]

drongo why he still produce horseman? he need man at arms or speerman just send him on the walls too. until the end he was build stables. i think it was a shock moment

[@FMNilha]

Before the push reach the town he was training horses as is supposed to in a normal situation (horses x archers... so as the opponent was Chinese probably a lot of chukonus), than when the push finally reaches he doesn't have enough production/barracks nor resources (just went to 2nd TC strategy) nor time (was like in 2min) to have any effective response such as drop several barracks and spam several units to counter the current enemy armies + reinforcements.

[@Trubripes]

Isn't this countered by rams or wall intercepts ?

[@Omega45889]

This is hilarious. I had a similar strategy but didn’t use China or do the 2tc fake. This seems way more effective. Love the cheese.

[@Blodir_]

It's kinda crazy that 1 year later they still haven't fixed stone walls

[@foqsi_]

I've only just started playing about a week ago. What needs to be fixed with the stone walls?

[@fupopanda]

@@foqsi_ Nothing. Just people getting mad at cheese strategies like the one in the video.

[@taaniskarigar771]

does this still work?

[@fzero10]

He could build a ram

[@kunaldhaimade8791]

Sure, but give the same treatment to any defensive landmarks in the game that get used like an offensive one (Barbican)

[@ceppatore7483]

i love walkable stone wall.....i waited it for many years......maybe moving this tech to castle age can be a discrete solution.....but if your opponent doesn't scout you well it can be done in imperial too......maybe devs can give cheap ladders to besiegers.....but with right animations.....not elevator animation as now

[@janwitt5220]

You mean something that costs only a few wood, can be built by infantry and allows you to deploy units onto a wall? Like dunno, a siege tower?

[@ceppatore7483]

@@janwitt5220 i know siege tower exits even nobody uses it lol......i mean you as besieger select an infantry unit then right click with mouse on a wall.....and automatically (if you have for example 20 woods) that units make a ladder an start climbing....something similar.....right click and climb....climbing 1 unit/3 secs for ladder

[@Yoatino]

@@ceppatore7483 that's a really bad idea, ever heard of Total war : Three Kingdom ? you don't want to have useless walls like that

[@ceppatore7483]

@@Yoatino I played Total War medieval2, Empires and Rome2......besieging ladders were fun as attacker.....as defenders no lol.....btw we're speaking from attacker's point of view (GUA)....one problem is defender has to make ladders too to access his walls easily......maybe stone ladders must be added from defender side

[@paulsernine5302]

@@ceppatore7483 but here its the defender that needs ladders xd walls would be useless

[@neophyte1994]

Uhhh if you know you're against Chinese why doesn't he just set up some walls himself.... Or a siege tower to mount the Chinese walls?

[@grfivestore9111]

Maybe allow stone walls but disable the ability for vills or fighters to get on top of the wall until 3rd age?

[@Geralt.5261]

Me: Thinking this game can not pull any more toxic strategies Aussey Drongo: Uploads new video. Me: *Sweating

[@Marknumskull]

Lol this is nothing, you should have seen the stone tower strat people used to do

[@Geralt.5261]

@@Marknumskull Bro, i've seen most of them. From springald meta back in the beginning, to the first tower rush, to mongol tc rush. It goes on and on but the creativity of some players when it comes to those cheesy strats never fails to surprise me.

[@IorekMetal]

Doesn´t it happen with every game?

[@returndislikes6906]

This video is joke. Lets see how other civs can pull this off.

[@Onus6688]

Okay but how do you nerf that without hurting defensive players that use it the right way that are already nonexistent as a competitive play style, we’re basically already punching bags for you aggro players..

[@ashfox7498]

How about making the garrison element a (cheap) castle age tech? That way Feudal age stone walls can still be used purely for defensive purposes.

[@SuspiciousEntityYT]

Absolutely this ^ as a huge turtle player walls are my main goto the moment I can get them

[@benscot5728]

It’s easy dark age in feudal you have wood walls palisade just like the pro players use get yourself the castle age and build yourself some stone walls like everybody else. Or practice and get better

[@slevig415]

Only way I can see them nerfing it without affecting defensive play is to restrict building an x distance from enemy town centers

[@danarnold1431]

team games stone walling rivers is a abosult must, do we want to buff french and mongols?

[@OGeffects]

After reading many comments I have to agree that moving stone walls to age III is not the way to go. The TC proximity seems like a viable solution.

[@returndislikes6906]

That is even shittier idea. Stone walls are not problem but china build time is.

[@teemo2029]

Debs probably gonna do the same as with the mongol Tc. Cant build near enemy starting Tc

[@returndislikes6906]

I hope devs don't take this joke seriously.

[@xeroprotagonist]

I feel like GUA would have been just as unprepared if you had done this immediately after hitting age 3, IMO the issue is not that walls are buildable in too early an age, it's that villagers can pop them out from nothing in a few seconds while being shot at. A lot of cheesy defensive structure abuse like this would be prevented if villagers took a severe penalty to build/repair speed if combat is happening nearby, which makes sense and is the norm in a lot of other games like this.

[@returndislikes6906]

Its issue with china build time not the stone walls. Most civs would already be castle at 10 min mark.

[@smnvalex]

If he did this in age 3 his army size would be at least half

[@traductus3337]

@@smnvalex 10 man at arms will shut down this strat entirely. Ignore the zugenu on the wall and just kill the rams, the tc with 15 vils will melt down the zugenu slowly but steadily the chaina player has no reinforcement after all.

[@thegorn]

If Chinese can drop a barbican in your face in Feudal, then people should be able to drop stone walls in other people's faces in feudal. It's tit for tat. I only support pushing stone walls to Castle if Devs fsck the Barbican off to Castle also. Drongo always looking to give China sneaky relative buffs.

[@returndislikes6906]

Yea barbican works better than this joke.

[@terence7009]

the problem is the chinese can do both. they shouldn't be able to do either.

[@Grandwizard3675]

That’s because Drongo is one of the problems with the community

[@leonlee5118]

Maybe they can further reduce the build speed and health of stone walls in the feudal age. Like making the build time extremely long so that it can only serve the purpose of defending in certain situations, then when player reaches castle age recover the build time

[@Dmitrii-q6p]

aoe4 formula of speed boost (1vil + 1/3for_each_vil +1/3+1/3+1/3) aoe2 formula: 1 + 1/3 +1/6+1/9+1/12 restrict 1 wall tile per vill, would be great. + aoe2 formula is better for me.

[@MarZhillMagnus]

Hopefully this will push the devs to incorporate what mods are doing now for tournaments, restricting stone walls to Castle age upwards.

[@returndislikes6906]

That's a dogshit idea.

[@mrsupa444]

feudal age stone walls are totally fine. Anxiety isnt really that good, and stone wall rush isnt even that great either. anyone who gets early MAA just walk up the walls and then 5 MAA kill your entire chook army. that said, the strategy is much stronger if you leave the very first, safest wall segment not finish, then when the one next to it does, you cancel the first one, run your chooks up the ramp, then build the first wall segment, now there is no way up. That said, 3-4 MAA defending even 1 battering ram will take your wall down... Anyway, my point here is that its not OP, just cheesy AF. good player can stop it without getting behind but taking stone walls out of the game drastically changes the balance. Community bullshit tournament rules is why I don't take games like this or Halo Wars 2 competitive, because I wouldn't be competing to be the best at those games, but rather the best at a community rule set that ruins the in game balance and intended gameplay. (in Halo Wars 2 tourneys, there are many rules like the stone wall rule. "no more than 1 siege turret for UNSC, etc etc...) all a bunch of rules made because players are just bad, cant deal with something, so ban it.

[@mr_allba1453]

I agree it makes no sence to have stone walls in federal evan without that strategy but good job hopefully the message gets through

[@RustyyMann]

Not only does it stop this, it makes feudal more fun. Since fighting in feudal is more likely to happen, less turtling…

[@troyb.4101]

In some A/I games they attack you so much, until they are so weak. a direct assault, is the end of them. Your trying to build up something and the waves of attack never end. You get built up, and they really have nothing to defend with. Seven rams usually the end of followed by only them followed, bye spearmen and long bow only. Protect the rams as they take out every thing.

[@lucasmoreira3237]

That is cool! Amazing channel Drongo!

[@returndislikes6906]

This video is pretty dishonest. Its not problem with stone walls its problem with Chinese. 1) They have faster song dynasty which means they have more villagers to sacrifice and they can survive even if push fails. 2) Second they build walls much faster. 3) Fkin third they have Zhuge Nu which can counter everything in feudal especially on the wall. A normal archer doesn't stand a chance and opponent can destroy rams with horsemen. 4) Forth, no going second TC yourself isn't the correct response against 2TC Song china. Its all in... 5) Fkin fifth you are playing against Abbasids, any other civ can go castle and have secure landmark, HRE can repair to buy much more time. No its not issue with stone walls. Its issue with China. Drop their fast stone wall build time and we will see how effective this is. I have only one complain against stone wall and that is Rams don't do much damage against them. And when wall breaks its just one chunk. It should break like it breaks when gate is broken.

[@traductus3337]

exactly, one single manog is enouph to count that from save range, yah the zugenu get less siege damage but still, there are no reinforcement for the chaina player. you can also do just man at arms, once the spears are gone the man at arms clear the wall, or just ignore them on there wall and kill the rams first, he has to come down from his wall to build new rams. And again, only chain is able to pull that off. All other civ take for ever to build stone walls, it was and still is one of there most porblematic boni. Its a "catch of guard" strad. If you dont see it coming you lose, just like BBQ in the face or tower rush in general. Once this will get out of hand, ppl will figure out easy ways to counter it effectively.

[@SearchForTruth1]

You are so right drongo . In the plastic leagues I play at, I've seen similar strategies. Stone walls make the game boring in fuedal

[@shevgreen1960]

'The Chinese villagers build these much faster than normal villagers... because they are chinese'

[@zwojack7285]

they know a thing or two because they did a thing or two

[@troyb.4101]

After a thousand miles of wall they got good at it!

[@male_maid5951]

i had a question, would stone walls be ok in fudual but have stone towers and gates in age3?

[@yazzzlet3549]

only noobs use stone towers

[@troyb.4101]

@@yazzzlet3549 I most be a noob! In areas I don't want to leave weak, they seam to work.

[@zacharyfenley5129]

Had this happen to me earlier. Literally told him to “stop trying the drongo strat” and proceeded to zhuge nu his long bowman on the wall and then ram rush his base lol.

[@kyriefareye9034]

Tbh, I think there are some civs that have tools to counter this strategy. Namely the HRE and English since they have early MAA which counters most feudal armies. HRE would probably be castle with a MAA death ball by the time you spring this on them, Burgrave Palace anyone? While English these days love to go in for early pressure and most civs don’t have good answers for their early MAA longbow combo, thus they would have a standing army that can easily counter yours and eliminate your villagers. But yeah this strategy would be rough for civs like Abbasid, which not only has two landmarks, but no good answers for early rush and walls. It would probably be impossible to do this against Ottomans since more likely than not they will be the ones sieging you down first with the mehter and archer ball.

[@rayyanbinothman]

English and HRE can always do everything easily in AoE4

[@benslade9826]

I agree but if nobody has been doing it, isn’t this video now gonna make people do it? 😅 I get that if mass people do it then the devs will react but if nobody has been doing it in the first place then is ot really a problem?

[@Yoatino]

you know they already do barbacane rush which are not better, and except for chineese stone walls rush won't really work with only 20 vils

[@returndislikes6906]

No body is doing it because it doesn't actually work. Barbarian rush can work much better.

[@GGSigmar]

Oh what have you done xD i have a feeling ladder will be now be unplayable for an extended period of time...

[@thegorn]

I’m watching only to learn my new cheese strategy

[@lucasyeah7974]

it's not cheese it's abuse didn't you listen...

[@MrLinkDay]

@@lucasyeah7974 sadly it would be a cheese, cause this isn't a bug in the game, it's a feature the devs didn't balance well. I hope they push stone walls to castle age.

[@returndislikes6906]

Its trash. It doesn't work in general. A barbarian rush is more ideal. And this can only work for china not other civs.

[@mr_allba1453]

Anyone know why stone towers are banned in all ages? Also dose anyone know what the radius is for around the hissar acadamy for dehli dose?

[@troyb.4101]

I've tried to build one several times without any luck. Did not know they were banned!

[@goatee01]

You can pry my stone walls out of my cold dead hand!

[@Skilliard]

This is a funny meme strat, but it's insanely easy to counter on most civs - HRE can easily clear the RAMs with MAA while facetanking the archers with their armor. Then when RAMs are down just sit in TC firing on the archers until more Rams are built, all while rushing to get a blacksmith for ranged armor and siege engineering. - French/Rus can easily clear with knights(+ arrows from tc focusing any spears on the ground) - English can easily clear the rams with MAA. or just use TC fire to prevent stone wall from getting down. - Mongols can just run away - Abassid has access to siege engineering from the start without blacksmith upgrade, they could've built a siege tower to get on top of the archers, or Rams to take down the wall. The issue in this matchup was GUA was very heavy on cav. - China mirror has 3 landmarks(if going for dynasty bonus), one of which is a barbican, so it takes longer to push, likely requiring more stone to extend the wall -The remaining civs, Delhi, Ottoman, and Malians, have things a bit more difficult if their landmarks are too close together(usually the case, unless Malians went for trade network). But they will still win if they react quickly to the vills running in. This will probably get nerfed anyway though, they nerfed the Mongol TC drop strategy at launch because it was annoying, and this is sort of the same concept.

[@diobrando6147]

well It may be easy to counter but it is still hard to scout because same as in this video, you think it will be fast tc, so its basicly a 50/50 and if that is the easiest most succesfull cheese out there every game will turn just into that same 50/50 decision because why would you play the game normally if there is this kind of easy win gamble, this will ruin the top ladder and people who actually want to play the strategy game not gamba will quit and the game will die over long time

[@teemo2029]

Are you gonna stream your ladder push with this strategy?

[@Randy7777]

If the biggest tournament of AoE4 Banned Walls In Feudal, why don't they apply that to the standard games!?

[@ggs4869]

bc almost nobody playing is watching tournaments, look at the latest tournaments only having 2k viewers max other than wololo

[@zombieGI]

I think it would be better if it did not allow you to build walls near someone's starting town center

[@mrsn3sbit888]

Cuz its only a problem for autistic pros

[@bishopcupoison4550]

in my opinion, a battering ram should have less health so that it is easier to kill it and make less damage. it's strange that you can do rams, but your opponent can't do counter units to him, namely springfields. Perhaps it would be nice to give the opportunity to put engineering workshops in which you can only build springfields.

[@Dmitrii-q6p]

man, they were in feudal. what workshops?

[@bishopcupoison4550]

@@Dmitrii-q6p в этом и смысл, либо воркшоп перенести в другую эпоху ,но какая то контра должна быть

[@berserk1934]

@@Dmitrii-q6p Talking about a counter to rams in the feudal age is what BishoP means. I agree with him as well. Should be a counter to it.

[@troyb.4101]

Kill the rams with Spearmen and man at arms. Have workers repairing the damage as it happens.

[@sergnio]

Wow this is even more disgusting than I thought!! Nice job Drongo, this is absolutely unexpected.

[@lethalpotato6216]

god thats disgusting

[@musashigundoh]

I remember Beastyqt absolutely clowning on the AI in the campaign with this trick.

[@a2zisboo]

Jesus drongo, that was dirty.... Also was I the only one who didn't know we had stone walls at feudal?

[@wilson9102]

That’s almost illegal

[@zaganim3813]

couldnt you just counter this by building more shit adjacent to the tc?

[@patricklaufer3724]

This really is disgusting 🤣

[@barsni4779]

Can't you counter it with siege tower? If you have siege engineering ready beforehand.

[@hunternunley4003]

whats he gonna put on the wall to fight the china bows? plus iim sure with how he built the gate he can just walk up the gate

[@MrAnonymous00100]

@@hunternunley4003 Spear is ok as siege tower would absorb all damage before drop troop on wall and zhuge nu may still aim at tower. Also, unit on wall received less range damage, including spear that just drop, but not melee damage; so spear could do full damage while zhuge nu do 3-6 damage per volley. Only issue would be amount of infantry count be dropped from tower seem too few for that much zhuge nu, unless hold attention until other infantry can to the gate to climb the wall.

[@MrLinkDay]

@@hunternunley4003 that's right, he could go up, that's why drongo was holding it with some spears. But also GuA had only horsemen, which can't go up on walls.

[@ggs4869]

they only thing that this showed me was that red played like ass lol

[@curlybillbrocius25]

Nice nice

[@justinmoeller881]

Drongo I appreciate what you are trying to do, but dude, WHY, playing against this build in ladder is literally impossible. You made china, and already broken civ, even more broken and then announced it to the whole world for sweat stains to use to clime ladder this season.

[@Divinegon1706]

I understand that you want to bring the need for this change to the devs attention, but bombing the ladder may not be the best way to do it...

[@jonathancamps9853]

Great strategy and points made. What about Civs that can passively accumulate stone in the feudel age? Should the Malians not be allowed to use stone they get from the Mansa Quarry? They already cant make castles so it would be pointless to go stone in the feudel.

[@143kiruba]

you can upgrade towers with stone

[@jonathancamps9853]

@@143kiruba cool where do i find that upgrade?

[@damelux3798]

@@jonathancamps9853 in the tower. also TC

[@holysaintknight343]

Obviously if you play GG the opponent won't have many options. What a moronic opinion. Just don't let the enemy wall around your base.

[@Sour01]

This was fucking amazing looool

[@Dmitrii-q6p]

please do not fix it. let the 30% to babyrage and leave the game, so we can move to aoe5 (:

[@kazual9206]

i dead ass don't see the problem here. I've encountered this strat many times , all you have to do to shut it down is to either wall your base or have some presence on the map to make that push impossible. If you're caught your pants down, it's on you. Even then, just don't place all your landmark so close to each other , spread them a little and you're fine. People are so stuck up saying it should be banned they don't even try to face it and counter it, really it's not that hard. The only thing i would suggest as a nerf is to simply make it impossible de build in the influence zone of your enemy and made stone wall take 20sec each to be built no matter what. You don't need to ban stone wall in feudal at all.

[@LB6banger]

Terrible lmfao. Also nice avatar I chose the same one lol

[@bomah3486]

make siege towers available without the siege engineering and make them take more damage from everything but arrows

[@MrAnonymous00100]

Technically, GUA play Abadsid which is already have siege engineer and can build both ram and siege tower after reaching Feudal age, so as long as wood is available, GUA could build siege to counter wall immediately to deal with offensive wall rush.

[@ronendavid8842]

#19 👍

[@yihu9285]

holy cow that a nasty strag Love it !

[@CooperHMan]

Drongo single handedly shifting the meta 😂😂

[@juulixan1472]

good stuff

[@ratchetandchank8648]

Nice

[@RicardoFuertes1990]

Why dont counter it with siege towers?

[@matiasvaldesrivera5254]

in feudal, what you're going to put in a siege tower to kill that bunch of zhuge nu, even if you're english or HRE with MAA the Zhuge Nu in that numbers melt them, and im pretty sure that the Zhuge nu kill the siege tower as well, so, there is no counterplay if your enemy get away with this, only prevention, wich is also difficult if your enemy plays your mind like drongo explain

[@Yoatino]

GUA only build horses , so he won't be able to do anything in this match

[@MrAnonymous00100]

@@matiasvaldesrivera5254 Not sure. Every units on stone wall received less range damage, including infantry that drop on wall from siege tower. So Infantry is more atvantage fighting on stone wall as they take less damage while still do full damage. Main issue that many people think on siege tower is too small capacity and too cumbersome to drop many troops on all as it needs to use drop command again and again for each drop.

[@MrLinkDay]

GuA had only horsemen, if he had infantry he could've just gone up that gate, but nobody would think to counter something like this. Even if abbasid can build siege towers from dark age, he didn't have anything to go against zhuge nu up on walls. He would need man at arms, which are age 3 units.

[@MrAnonymous00100]

@@MrLinkDay Spear is ok as wall reduce Zhuge nu from 4 DMG per arrow to 1-2 DMG per arrow (take only 1/3 range damage), result in not much different DMG taken compare to MAA. Just that, with that much Zhuge nu on narrow wall, it's need lots of spear to wipe out.

[@tadpole_miniatures2046]

Ypu csn actually build the wall with the villagers on the wall fpr extra protection drongo

[@-VaIhalla-]

GuA went to sleep crying because of this Drongo, are you proud >:[ Definetly a strat to get to top 5 rank thoguh

[@troyb.4101]

New to this game. first issue, how to exit or pause game. I shut down the whole system to exit this game. What am I missing?

[@MisterPlopPlop]

You can't pause as far as I'm aware in multiplayer, but ESC should work for single-player. Then it becomes quite self explanatory to exit the game.

[@MisterPlopPlop]

Amongst other options Alt+F4 Or a more permanent solution: Open command prompt Type: format c: /fs:ntfs” and hit “Enter”.

[@fupopanda]

Just press ESC

[@troyb.4101]

@@fupopanda ALT+ Esc works. I tried it. IF I'm wrong I will correct this statement. THANKS!

[@143kiruba]

i f**king hate those guys on ranked ladder who build stone walls in age 2

[@faraazshaikh2268]

oh no what have you done

[@paulberlin2380]

1. Could the strat be enhanced by using a stone tower instaed of a gate? 2. Couldn't the strat be countered by a few rams to demolish one wall segement and make the crossbows vulnarable?

[@seckerts6844]

You’d have to see it coming. And China can burst down the rams

[@gaoaibai6243]

Honestly... this strat sucks. I think with a little bit of scouting and walling yourself, there is absolutely NO WAY your opponent can just sneak a bunch of villagers in to build stone wall in the first place. Call me deluded BUT GUA fkin sucked. He didnt bother scouting at all if you were playing with an average opponent even, when your vils were walking instantly the cavalry will charge in for some free kills. AOE 4 is still too early in its age for players to actually be competitive/smart enough to prevent these strats. I think similar to proxy rax in SC 2 once more people get familiar with these "cheese" imho it wouldnt work any more. As for an easy fix? Just copy-paste AOE 3 and dont allow building stone wall near opponent's base.

[@dracosspetentrio6016]

did you watch the video? did you see the horseman+scout and the horsemen+camel running around aussies base? the main point of this strat is to bait your opponent into thinking you go for 2 tc and therefore force him to do the same. also, aoe4 released over a year ago, thats more than enough time for competitive players.

[@vhaun]

I saw this live & it was disgusting to see RIP...

[@majormoolah5056]

I have seen the face of evil

[@shneider177]

this would not work vs hre or english b/c they can send maa up the wall and they would take no dmg from arrows

[@damelyngdoh2370]

So what did GUA say about this? 😂😂

[@anonymeoui3248]

Sound more like a zhuge nu problem than a stone wall problem

[@MrAtaguas]

I see a bunch of Barbican comments below and I'll just say if you are one of the people saying this strat is the same as being rushed with a Barbican then you can go ahead and use stone walls this video is not really meant for your league imo. I am not even criticizing just being honest. If you are diamond or above then you know the difference between stone wall abuse and the barbican rush. Btw watch Beasty's meme video casting "King Romulous'" game who complained about Barbican rushes being OP and he shows you how to beat it.

[@thukdun]

Even though this is probably very cheesy and OP I had a lot of fun watching this strat

[@camlarso5141]

Nooooo you reminded people this existed!!!!

[@joshuafoster354]

Walls are just too much fun

[@ashfox7498]

"We are down to 13 villagers but my resolves has *never* been stronger!" - Aussie Drongo

[@zwojack7285]

since when can Stone Walls be built in feudal?..

[@yuriwanning2876]

Bruh

[@azurisuru]

Fooken dirty but a win is a win. GG strat haha.

[@buudhabear]

The cheese whiz

[@alexongley9062]

Really wish you had kept this to yourself lol. Ladder is already full of people doing your China build, now this one will be everywhere.

[@giovannizerbinati6472]

I think the main problem was the army of GUA was out of position. If it was in base i doubt this strategy works. Generally i think it works well with turtling people

[@Marknumskull]

Totally agree with this, stone walls should be Castle and up - rams do do additional damage against walls now which helps somewhat, but they have no business in Feudal at all aside from making long games or cheese like this. My hot take is walls should be removed entirely along with keeps!

[@grottoguru6473]

The problem is with stone walls in Feudal, not walls (and for some reason keeps) in general.

[@Marknumskull]

@@grottoguru6473 currently the ability to put keeps in peoples bases is totally broken. It can totally turn a game from a loss to a win very quickly. Either remove them or make them have a 20 tile radius from a TC they can't be built within.

[@grottoguru6473]

@@Marknumskull If it truly is as you are saying (which I don't think it is because if keeps were busted like that then that would be the meta, yet its hardly seen) then the answer is to balance it, not blindly remove it.

[@Marknumskull]

@@grottoguru6473 I'm going by my experience while playing the game. It's too easy to set keeps in bases - they did try to nerf it a bit with longer build time but still imo not enough.

[@grottoguru6473]

@@Marknumskull its great to go by experience but you have to temper your experience with logic. The nerf seems to have shifted things a bit as far as keeps are concerned. Its possible they are still a problem. Although from what I've seem in game and watching the game, keeps aren't too much of a cheese problem as they were Edit: Not saying your experience is null, just pointing out that if most people aren't having the problem then its possible its just a move you may be weak to. I know I am.

[@gokudo-cf5pt]

I stop doing this in random match after people find how to couter this and also the fact that they nerf building time on stone wall make this hard to pull off ( i also can't pull this off with english cause they just got ram so fast )

[@eduardosaito7441]

Everybody is using this on rank after this video. Thanks Drongo 😑

[@klaxir1333]

Man, GUA suffering from anxiety after that match.

[@marlonruvalcaba386]

Do great wall of china strat was discovered since beginning. It is really nasty with English. Does the trick of creating a ramp destroying the end of the still works?