Why Are They Suing Each Other?

[@meat2dawad]

My only gripe with MKC is they 100% ripped off Benchmade’s idea of charging wayyyy too much for their knives. Still not nearly as annoying as the people who bought all the Ozark Grails and are selling them for $30 on eBay.

[@infernoeagles5812]

MKC also has a decent amount of employees and pay roll taxes which is a lot! An everything is expensive these days

[@TrustinChrist-truthseeker]

​@@infernoeagles5812 It also sounds like MKC has a top notch warranty which also includes free sharpening. I am also impressed with their setup as was shown on Will Stelters channel. I also appreciate how they have really tried to dial in the function of their knives and making them really good performers. I am probably going to get one at some point, just not sure when though for the moment because of the aforementioned price. Sincerely, JS

[@afterforever21]

In the end the market will vote with their wallet. Look at the rise of We / Civivi. I bet their sales numbers are nuts in comparison.

[@D_Boone]

My Walmart just got the same knife in stock but in stainless instead of D2. Not the same, but at $5 it is still a crazy good deal.

[@stephenclark6961]

MKC makes FAR higher quality products than benchmade though. I make custom knives in my free time and I can tell you that making knives with high quality materials by hand (or at least with hand-fitted parts) is WAYYY more expensive than making trashy plastic molds in a factory. Benchmade makes $30-50 knives and sells them for $100-400...not ok for a "mainstream" company.

[@jamesjim6451]

The amount Benchmade has been charging for their knives lately, they are not hurting for money and now they are picking on a small good knife company. Grow up Benchmade, you've lost my respect completely.

[@Oneoneone111One]

What about the price MKC charges lol

[@acid6urns]

hahahaha small? MKC is also charging the same ridiculous prices as benchmade. what does the speedgoat cost these days? almost $300? so they’re charging custom fixed blade prices for a production knife with no handle scales 😂

[@PlantDaddy1991]

​@@acid6urns, $325 for a CF and Magnacut Speedgoat.

[@acid6urns]

@@PlantDaddy1991 yeah so even more overpriced than i thought. there’s multiple custom makers i follow who sell their fully hand made custom heat treated knives for that same price

[@chicken-little8620]

most models are expensive yes some not too bad

[@asertolentino9147]

Serious respect for the dedication to actually sign up for a PACER account to get your fans the whole story.

[@knafs_co]

So. Many. Pages. Printed.

[@benbanters]

I always thought court public records would be easily accessible, public documents. Sheesh. Was I ever wrong. Nothing like 15 cents a page! It's almost like a day at the range. Brass and court documents, 15 cents a pop. 🤣

[@CarterNJreviews]

15 cent? Wait so only literally the spent brass then lol

[@derrick.crawford1005]

Bench made is probably grumpy because reduced sales. Of which has nothing to do with other companies and everything to do with their ridiculous price increases.

[@windowbreezes]

Bunch of Maids

[@rockets4kids]

Promoting the $10 Bugout rip here is brilliant.

[@Aristographic3D]

He's even promoting some tshirt, sold on some FB groups clearly without any agreement or rights!

[@A-Fern]

I’m more overpriced, No I’m more overpriced. That’s it we’re suing

[@Cry42]

Benchmade has been coasting on their name for a number of years now. The price has only gone up while the innovation has plateaued.

[@Phil4222]

Spyderco too

[@odie2763]

compared to who? Spyderco? They can't even make anything new. A sucker is born with every sprint run and they've been upping their prices far more than benchmade.

[@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc]

@@Phil4222the difference is Spyderco uses different steels that no one else will dare touch. Like Maxamet and CPM Rex 121 or 15v. Sure they have the same designs, but their calling card is the steels they are willing to experiment with and their heat treatment of those steels. Plus really good cutting geometry on certain models like the Chaparral.

[@dat_boi3372]

Benchmade: Pay custom prices for production pieces with asymmetric secondary bevels and old steels with far from premium materials for handles on every single model. Worst US knife company.

[@GarrettsGear]

You're my new best friend lol. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@bigredmed]

Agreed. Bought a bug out two years ago when my CRKT knife developed problems. Got to say that I regret how much money I spent on that Bugout. Especially after finding a better fitting knife last summer for about a third of the cost.

[@langora5804]

I have put a new bevel on 5 bm now and all have been REALLY off center. All brand new knives. It sucks. My favorite knife is the 537 and I am looking for a substitute. Hogue is by far the worst knife company I’ve dealt with so that didn’t work. Still searching

[@matthewblumenthal804]

I have a couple of griptillions. I love them. However, I won't buy another.

[@Mike_Jones68]

they suck. When I saw the cost for a nice steel Bugout, that was nail in the coffin. I dont own any BM, I wont ever own any BM unless someone gives me one for free.

[@nicholas3423]

I wonder how many of benchmade employees are going to mkc because they are leaving Oregon for Montana, and mkc just so happens to be a place in that state that has a job for them

[@windowbreezes]

HEADLINE: Benchmade Employees Take the Bench and Made their way to Montana.

[@orendz7740]

Great point! I bet quite a few. Like people leaving or trying to leave California

[@Huey4214]

Plenty of reasons to leave Oregon! The Portland area for sure.

[@Rudyelf1]

Hoping they don’t move to Montana and vote in a manner that made Oregon a dump.

[@sayeager5559]

Only the lawyers ever win.

[@YourHandleHere84]

I find the idea of non-compete clauses to be despicable. If a company wants their employees to stay, then they should treat them well and pay them generously. If they don’t, then they should have to accept the consequences (i.e., employees leaving for greener pastures). That being said, sharing IP with a competitor is also a big no-no.

[@BoneHead1776]

Benchmade's behavior over the years has justified my personal boycott of their products.

[@wesb123]

You’re not alone.

[@Mike-mi3yw]

@@BoneHead1776 same

[@jackberdine]

I boycott by not being able to afford their knives

[@ElonaldTrusk]

​@@jackberdineI've been boycotting all sorts of things and I'm just finding out 😂

[@samnero387]

Good. Enjoy the Civivi and Sencut junk you buy!!!😂

[@cheeseblast]

This channel is criminally under subbed

[@humanzyx]

almost read under sued

[@andrewdarowski1975]

Non compete are inherently scummy. Yeah, you shouldn't be able to take privileged material from one company to another, but there are already laws against that. The idea that you can effectively control an ex employee long after you've stopped paying them is mad. That new law was a great win for normal people, and that it got stalled in Texas is the most anti-Texas thing. Its the "don't tread on me" state!

[@bmljenny]

Always found it weird that some folks don't want the government up in their business, but have no problem with companies doing it.

[@mnjcosby]

The only reason Texas is being a dick about it is because 1-its from Biden and 2-Republicans shill for billionaire US oligarchs that want as much control over the middle class as possible

[@LuckyCharms777]

You obviously don’t know anything about Texas and Texans. Regardless of how anybody feels about non-compete clauses, that employee freely signed that contract and in Texas we expect people to keep their word. Also, “Don’t Tread On Me” is a symbol from the American Revolution, not from Texas. It symbolizes liberty from government control, not freely entered business contracts.

[@LuckyCharms777]

⁠@@bmljenny What exactly don’t you understand about the force of government versus willingly entering into a contract with a company?

[@richardhenry1969]

​@@LuckyCharms777unless the company is in China. Then nothing is done in fact government probably rewards china. At least under the current administration.

[@wda-59-14]

The threat to Benchmade is that MKC knows how to make a decent sheath to go along with their awesome knives.

[@jessecaldwell6776]

Biggest take away from this is buy my knives from the Montana Knife Company from now on

[@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223]

Benchmade loves over charging people for knives. That's who Benchmade is.

[@acid6urns]

so does mkc 😂

[@markadyes1807]

Benchmade is worried about someone poaching their ideas, yet their waterline concept was "borrowed" from another company. The silver linning here is people are noticing!

[@iamipodfan]

Keith is the best! I’m so glad that he’s on the show now!

[@jonathanwatson268]

It would be cool to see you guys talk to reviewers and get their take on the industry. Where it's at, trends they do and don't like, and what they would change, etc. I'm sure a lot of them couldn't come in person but you could talk to them remotely and make a segment out of it.

[@knafs_co]

Noted. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@DylanLey]

Great episode as always! In terms of adding things to the show, maybe you could talk about some scrapped products/ideas you had and your reasoning behind the designs and why you eventually scrapped them!

[@sylviaj.figueroa4544]

I love your videos and its format with many sections, that keeps them interesting and fun. I’d like to hear more about knife laws in different places and knife suggestions according to those laws. I also love that, even if Ben isn’t a fan of something - like the neck knife- he’s willing to work with what people like. In that topic, I think it would be really fun if sometime you guys make a design-a-knife competition, even if it’s just for fun, I’m sure you’ll have a lot of entries 😅

[@dayontapout]

I got my Yonder approximately 2 days after the official release. I have been IN LOVE with this knife!!! I always carry a small knife, typically Hogue Deka, and a larger knife(PM2). Ever since I got my Yonder it hasn't left my pocket or hand. I reach for it for basically every task. Honestly once I'm able to buy another I'll be getting it so I can use the one I currently have more freely... Because I don't want to wear this one out too much! Because I love it that much! I thought it might be too small when I first got it but it turned out to be the perfect size for a lot of uses. The ONLY con I have for the Yonder is the access to the thumb studs could be a little better. Perhaps a slight slope to be able to dig your thumb in just a bit.

[@Dont_Poke_The_Bear]

Non-competes are the ultimate red flags of employment opportunities. Any company that has them is showing exactly who they are and that they do not have any interest what so ever in development of their staff along with their company. Show segment idea: 1)You pick it, We Pocket! One person from the comments suggests an EDC, one for the Knafs crew carries it in Pocket for a week and then gives it a one week review and gives it "Carry on" or "Cut" rating. At the end of the year... CARRY ON SHOW DOWN! 2)Maker highlight! Each week, the Knafs guys scour the internet and highlight a maker or a design they feel needs to be seen.

[@jctsea]

Would love a "How to design a Knife" segment- Choosing a Lock type, blade steel, scales material, Prototyping: do I have to buy a 3d Printer?, just an idea

[@MFD00MTR33]

Used to be a fan of Benchmade for a long time. They used to make amazing knives for decent prices. But I'm not anymore. I still like my old Benchmafes but I'm not buying anything new they make.

[@randallleonard1249]

I got my Baby Banter Fixed Blade at the end of last week and my Yonder arrived early this week. Both are great knives that have been in my pocket since getting them.

[@ElonaldTrusk]

Its been years since I've purchased a BM. My last two were lost(with the majority of my collection) in a house fire .. and those were a few I chose not to replace.

[@ethanrosen7397]

That clip point lander is AWESOME, love the look

[@jarofaar8618]

Got my yonder last Wednesday and it is fantastic! Love the thin blade stock! Perfect sweats carry. I’m also hoping Ben fulfills my dream of turning the baby banter into a crossbar knife

[@ShootingUtah]

For the baby banter having that tip jimping is awesome! I can see that being super useful for fishing/hunting and even whittling or crafting, whatever else. It's just a nice touch that's not as common as it should be.

[@rainerinteressierts]

Love the Baby Fixed. Carved my first Halloween pupkin with it😁😎👍

[@craig-olsen]

Show suggestion: maybe an expansion of the pocket check to include a “collection check” from your personal collections. My boss has hundreds of knives and the variety of types, manufactures, openings, and lock mechanisms is impressive. I enjoy the sharping shop segment because it showcases different knives out there (the knife world is a mile wide and a mile deep) - perhaps showcase your collection (we know you have some cool knives you’ve collected over the years) :) Also, got my Yonder last week, initial thoughts: “I love it” -Ben

[@GrindingKnives]

Snagged a Damascus Yonder and it’s fantastic! Also just purchased a Lander 2 Clip Point to go with my Micarta Lander 2. Super excited and can’t wait for it to arrive! 🤙🏻

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

MKC dropped their ballbag on benchmade by hiring that lawyer, brilliant move!

[@richardsteinbergmakingknives]

Great video guys! I was thoroughly entertained and learned a few things too. Well done! See y'all at SHOTs.

[@LuisPG92]

Haven’t bought any Benchmade since I heard about this. Instead, bought about 5 MKC blades instead.

[@hanktheknife4352]

I changed the weekdays, …Tuesday, Wednesday, DBKday, Knafsday, Saturday, … Thanks for the show, i love it (😜)!

[@syco8490]

thank you knafs, my banter 2 and my grand burrito just landed, fantastic

[@B1rdN3rd]

Just picked up a Baby Banter fixed blade at my local knife shop, I absolutely love it! I think I have my new go-to pocket fixed blade. Keep up the great work and the awesome videos! Cheers from Wisconsin.

[@ManOfEthnicity]

Benchmade sees the writing on the wall, customers fled because of pricing, employees are leaving because of obvious problems at the corporate level, and any knife company is free to use their lock which is the only thing that made them special for a long time. This was them throwing a tantrum.

[@odie2763]

You still know that Benchmade makes 10's of millions dollars over all other competitors, right? Government contracts. But speaking of throwing tantrums, remember when Spyderco was sueing another company because they used the word "salt" in their brand?

[@Limicola1]

I've had my Yonder since Oct. 23. Ordered it from Amazon. Very impressive knife. My EDC is the Asher Spiro crossbar but I have been carrying the Yonder off and on.

[@jordanmiller8603]

I think a segment (maybe an extension of Moon Crew moment) where people share their knife story. I would love to hear people answer questions along the lines of “what was your first pocket knife, what’s your most sentimental knife, what’s your craziest knife related story?” It could be a one minute video lifted from a Facebook thread or a written submission.

[@pooslinger6839]

I thoroughly enjoy the format of your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@leveler267]

Would love to hear you talk about prototypes and the inside baseball of it (less about the 3D printing part, and more about the pre-production prototype models and real world use). How many prototypes are made? Who do you choose to prototype your knife? Do you keep awesome super nerdy spreadsheets of how they perform? Are there NDAs involved?

[@OneMinuteKnifeReview]

bravo on the abundance mindset

[@LuckyCharms777]

You can’t have abundance without taking from others.

[@khakicampbell6640]

Ben could totally have been Weird Al for Halloween! ;) lol

[@lfish21.]

Benchmade used it be my favorite company. But I think I am done with them.

[@psychobiker05]

I’ve been buying MKC knives for almost 3 years now. I have a friend who bought a benchmade folder 2 weeks before she came camping with a bunch of us. She saw and used a couple of my MKC’s that I brought with me and she immediately went and bought one that night. She still carries and uses her benchmade since it’s a folder but loves to carry her MKC with her whenever we’re all camping. I’ve never purchased a benchmade myself because SOG and other companies have folders that work for me. But I’ll never stop buying MKC knives. They’re just too good. What MKC does for its customers and how they support other small American made companies is awesome.

[@dayontapout]

Ben must have gone as Weird Al for Halloween.

[@michaelcawood1217]

I got my yonder at blade west and I love it!! I am also currently sharpening my $2 lander 2 which is one of my new favorite knives. love y'all's stuff!!!

[@carlosanderson4479]

I was literally thinking about a clip point it looks amazing

[@6stringbeardedc]

Loving the yonder so far.. pre-ordered it from blade hq right away.. can't wait for my lander 4 to come, now I gotta get one of those sweet sheaths.

[@tfwoodcraft]

make a segment of "cool shit you got to use your knife for this week" I get excited when I can use mine for anything besides opening amazon packages lol

[@mistold]

Love it! Also love that new Lander 2 Clip point! For sure though, BM is over priced but MKC does copy, I mean draw heavy inspiration from others out there that are truly standing on their own two feet.

[@nicolas6065]

Actually I bought 3 knives last week : the yonder, banter 2 and lander 2 and I love them all. They are quite different so each of them has its place in my pockets for different uses ❤

[@traviswillier9114]

From the last picture of cat v dog, the dog on the cat side is the employee that left benchmade and went to mkc hahah!

[@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223]

It's just pitiful of Benchmade to be such pansy asses about all this. Why am I not surprised though.

[@Logan2070]

Run by Jr. Who can't live up to his father's legacy.

[@jimmycricket7946]

It's a sprinkle and rainbow company, I wouldn't expect anything different.

[@knsbbq1951]

LANDER 1. YES LANDER 2 Yes. What do I buy next damn great design Lander 2 is the Griptilian replacement Great Work

[@cworkman92]

I love the titles. Y'all always get me with them lol

[@benbanters]

That’s all Jamie.

[@HaulinAssAssin]

It’s interesting to me. And I hadn’t heard of this before your video, so… thanks y’all! 🙌

[@garybruner36]

It has been interesting watching KNAFS grow and see how your product line grows as you all grow in experience and management of a young company. All the while keeping the same excitement, love for what you are doing, and truly caring about all in the knife community from what I can tell. Question with the current segment of modernized slip joint knives in the industry, is this something that KNAFS might develop as part of the product line? Thanks and best wishes. - GB

[@benbanters]

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful words, Gary. That means a lot. Slip joints: we’re working on plans. Stay tuned. 😏

[@carlgoose243]

Wow I made the Moon Crew Moment

[@stevekoelliker6764]

Subscribed to your KZbin and mailing list. Just ordered a baby banter fixie and a Banter 2 in purple. Big fan of Ben and Zack.

[@mistold]

Congrats on the Lander Kevin!

[@mattodio]

love the look of the lulu in the leather sheath

[@hoosierulangler6965]

Home run on all the fixed blades! Now we need a leather pocket sheath for the Baby Banter fixed blade!

[@dman9987]

Would love to see the DBK boys on this channel! Also got my hands on a Yonder about a week ago and love it so far. Perfect size, really slicey would probably be a great fixed blade design in the future too but 🤷‍♂️ keep up the great videos guys! 🔥🫡

[@timtitus2532]

I bought a Baby Banter for my granddaughters birthday gift, she loved it. The Benchmade issues with product cost versus worth will continue to be an issue. I personally own 9 Benchmade knives. I appreciate the design and execution of thier products but I refuse to spend anymore money on overpriced products, Benchmade has lost a customer in me....

[@michaelcervantez3570]

Both companies over charge for their knives for what you get.

[@gtman0862]

Ben & Austin, Thank you for the shout out. I'm glad you enjoyed my Pluto Tribute. Special Thanks to Jenn for tracking down my package. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to see.

[@thunderlyte3221]

I think a cool segment on the show would be to go back and bring a long lost gem back to the light by showing off an old knife that it underrated and you think should get more attention. Thanks!

[@ricardorubalcaba155]

Those shirts are great! Thanks for the Knife World Tea.😂

[@NG_Ark]

Keep iterating my guys. Love it.

[@WayofKnifeEdcGearHouse]

Talks of poaching designs and wearing an Ozark shirt was wild 🤣

[@truthseeker6045]

I miss seeing all the variety of knife knowledge, that I got from the BHQ vids you guys used to do. Knife mods,how to’s and ideas. I’d love to see some survival/camp/bushcraft ideas/usage… putting your knives to actual use in a multitude of ways. It’s one thing to hear specs and see the knife… It’s a whole other, to really get a visual on all the things we can do with them, both aesthetically and in working mode.

[@everydaycelt]

Went to law school. Studying for the bar. I’d love to be Knafs unofficial “legal liaison”. Send it on! 😂

[@benbanters]

Don’t tempt me… 🙌

[@MountainAdventureChannel]

To be honest, I’m not the biggest fan of Benchmade, and definitely not a fan of Montana Knife Company. Thanks for the information Ben, very intriguing!

[@HOC.08]

Love my Yonder! Got it Wednesday and It's my new daily. thinking about getting the G10 version also as a secondary

[@Generic_Username_0331]

I need a Lander 4 in magnacut. I love the shape and design but want that premium steel

[@orendz7740]

I need a clip point lander 2. Looked like the scales were aluminum which would look cool on that knife. I’m definitely going to have to purchase the knife.

[@davidcooper8390]

you've done a couple of cross promotional field trips with outdoor KZbinrs, next you should try and go on an excursion with Eric Hanson. Love the stuff gentlemen.

[@EveryDayConstitution]

Love the legal episode! Please consider this my application to be the official legal consultant for Knafs -- you can pay me in brass tags. You should have a semi-regular law-related segment of the show -- you could call it "Knife Court" (like Night Court). ⚖ LOVE my Yonder, which is my new carry knife (but I also love my Banter 2!)! By the way, I took a shot of Diet Dr Pepper for every "I love it" and "bad boy" in the episode and went through three bottles.🥤

[@benbanters]

Don’t tempt me, Steve. Don’t tempt me. 😏

[@davidgarrett5671]

@@benbantersplease don’t.

[@EveryDayConstitution]

@@benbanters Absolutely you should.

[@kcarsonphoto]

Lol, I just didn't sign my no compete clause at one job 😂

[@abnr1983]

When are you guys gonna make a combat or self defense version of the Banter series? No seriously, I want one! 😂

[@TheCajunGaijin]

The first AI photo definitely looked like Warhammer 40k, the second photo was definitely giving Halo feels.

[@rhd26]

As a buck knife fan this is like watching my sister argue with my cousin at Thanksgiving

[@knifetrain3118]

I got my Baby Banter fixed blade and in Bens words Love it! ❤

[@nickuschrist5967]

For all the people complaining about benchmades prices i just want to say that lifesharp warranty is second to none and absolutely love BM's customer service and those LIFETIME services cost a lil extra

[@WilliacLHA5]

I enjoy the segment with industry news.

[@nrod872]

I’m a fan of both but, MKC’s recent bird knives freezeout & sharptailed look very closely to the Benchmade Flyway.

[@PlantDaddy1991]

Benchmade's legal department is an actual joke. They're the same legal department that claim that *you* as a consumer who has *already purchased* an auto from them can't send it back for service because it "violates the Switchblade Act." Which it does not.

[@coopertct]

"We don't talk about Pluto" shirt!? take my money please

[@thefishinglor6931]

Before MKC established themselves in the hunting knife market Benchmade were the only brand that really made knives in the high end range but with MKC in the mix it’s good for us customers to have more options so it’s a win-win for us customers

[@scottrockett6382]

Zach with the Sinn U1 is bold!!!

[@cintage]

Thanks for another entertaining episode. 😊

[@Lunchbox4283]

Hey! I just saw my brass tag post!!

[@arrowheadguys7637]

Benchmade absolutely hates good publicity

[@elkcrazy28]

Guest are always fun.

[@APDLuu]

Your example is hilarious. I’m an engineer that has worked for multiple printer companies.