Why Are Your Radiators Getting Hot When the Heating Is Off?

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@kennethbone5490
@kennethbone5490 4 жыл бұрын
I had this exact issue in house I bought where the plumbing was converted to a pressurised hot water tank for a loft extension with an extra en-suite bathroom. In summer some of the downstairs radiators got warm from the lockshield ends. Four British Gas engineers tried to fix it over 3 days. They changed the motorised valve twice! They couldn't work it out and left it unfixed. I then got in local independent heating engineer out who diagnosed the problem and fixed it with a non return valve on the hot water return as you described in a mornings work. Great video, spot on.
@mdsween
@mdsween 4 жыл бұрын
I have exactly the same circumstance as you Kenneth! Am about to do the heat check now before I call out the plumber
@michaelblissett9863
@michaelblissett9863 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent teacher, clear and precise and has a way of explaining in detail that is very helpful to many.
@GrahamF
@GrahamF Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on & exactly what was happening to my system! I tried everything to find out why this was happening, and it wasn't until I got rid of my heat only boiler, and changed to a combi boiler. The connection from the HW return was connected to the radiator return pipe under the floor. This was done when the house was built! Lazy plumbing indeed. Thank you 👍
@n0vaph0enix
@n0vaph0enix 4 жыл бұрын
I think you may be a wizard! This has been bugging me for ages and this was such a simple and clearly detailed explanation that you’ve made it seem completely obvious.
@descheers2217
@descheers2217 4 жыл бұрын
Another invaluable piece of info, thanks for that. I was just re-watching an old video of yours regarding leaking stop taps and again a priceless titbit of info that's helped me out a few times. These sorts of videos that you and Robin do are a great source of information and are superb because of how short and straightforward they are. Many thanks again 👍
@stevejones9529
@stevejones9529 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment on stop taps, I've just stop mine leaving
@donaloconnell5015
@donaloconnell5015 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Roger you are a great tutor for me because you speak my kind of uncomplicated language. I think a lot of tradesmen didn't have uncomplicated speakers like you when they were learning so they do their learning at the expense of their customers for many years.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. I try to stay clear of BS numbers and all that stuff because I think that is what a lot of lecturers become obssesed with
@adrianodoherty6283
@adrianodoherty6283 2 жыл бұрын
A decent explanation of a problem most plumbers/heating engineers have come across. Just moved house and it’s happening in mine too! 😀 Need to get round to draining it down and correcting before too much longer!
@jonathanconway8094
@jonathanconway8094 2 жыл бұрын
Another terrific video. Thanks. We have only a towel rail heated in the summer via the boiler and all rads are off but still get warm despite TRVs off. Rads upstairs and UFL down. As soon as it gets warm I shut the lock shield valve down and this sorts the problem. A new installation (including a low loss header (no idea what that adds)) but after watching this I'm getting them back in! Cheers
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын
The summer operation towel rail is intentional but I suspect it is reverse circulating. They should be able to feel this on the pipes A non return valve should sort it out
@silastetley9643
@silastetley9643 4 жыл бұрын
Roger job spot on, well explained. The time taken is worth it 👌.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I watched my previous efforts and thought it was just not clear enough. I am glad it worked in the end.
@tonybowe1266
@tonybowe1266 4 жыл бұрын
Love these SB videos. Amazing knowledge and very clear when explaining how things work. I have this issue so know what to look for now. Thank you.
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger, that was a great explanation! (I actually have that minor issue with the rad nearest to the hot water tank) Although you explained the “wrong-way flow” and the one way valve solution very well, I think sometimes it’s the convection of the heat that creeps along the pipes, as opposed to an actual flow, so the one way valve may not necessarily function to prevent that…thank you for sharing 🙏
@jimwoods9551
@jimwoods9551 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got that too, one rad beside the cistern is heating. No motorised splitter valve. The cistern return is linked upstairs leaving a single return pipe to the lower floor. Going to try an NRV in just that rad.
@mystikal518
@mystikal518 2 жыл бұрын
its always a joy to listen to someone who really knows his onions! Brilliant explanation
@sleekitwan
@sleekitwan 2 жыл бұрын
I had this, after I bought a run-down beautiful post-war end terrace in Scotland. It had a turret and spiral staircase, I loved it. Troubles made me sell it after a few years or updating, but the hidden issue was whenever the hot water cylinder was put to use, there was this trend to heat only the lower radiators in the house, not upstairs. I usually believe that once something’s done, I treat it as 100% until I find otherwise, this is one of the three times this has NOT held up! The system had two valves, but once I sketched it out I realised it needed a third. It had been relying on either the house being cold a lot, so some heating downstairs might not be a bad thing (!), or the owners had not noticed, etc. I fitted the third valve, which stopped the back-channel movement of hot water from the cylinder heating circuit, from going at all into the radiators backwards. It drove me nuts, but the present owner benefits as all of a sudden it’s not just a nuisance but an expensive one. As you will understand, the effect mainly was on radiators BELOW the level of the ‘head’ from the hot water entering and leaving the cylinder, which was perched in a corner cupboard of the kitchen, above the fridge. So, a three-motorised-valve system, instead of two, and it was perfect. Quite weird for me. Take care all. PS - have a laugh on me…the cost of the house when I bought it in 2003? £35,000 . 2 bedrooms plus a perfectly serviceable loft bedroom, and in fact this is what scuppered my letting plans - the government introduced a bedroom tax, and suddenly nobody moved because they;d have their benefits and home rooms scrutinised at that point, and this extra room was not ‘legit’. The council man said kindly ‘I am going to forget the request for retrospective approval, and put it in the drawer with the others’. I don;t understand hints, it’s terrible! He meant, I might be asked to return it to how it was, whatever that really means. It can mean, they examine the cables to see what date is stamped on them, but that’s a whole planning and building regs world of pain, let’s not go further.
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 4 жыл бұрын
Very clear explanation Roger. I had this problem but with a different outcome so I will share it to help others. Rads getting hot when the heating was off but hot water on. Checked the motorised valve, all working correctly, even changed it, still no solution. Used my laser thermometer to see that the three port valve wasn't sealing. The rubber ball in the valve had just deteriorated and was allow some bypass. Changed the three port and the problem was solved.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
That is a good idea to use the infrared thermometer. I did mention the motorised valve but dimissed it a bit, I should have given it more emphasis. Thanks for providing a bit of balance.
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder To be honest, I have never come across it before and never thought it could be the valve. It took three visits, a lot of head scratching, half a dozen cups of tea and a fair few hobnobs.
@imw4956
@imw4956 Жыл бұрын
Roger, that might just explain my current problem! I had my combi boiler changed to unvented system and had it relocated in a different part of my house - have some but not all rads getting hot when calling for hot water . Plumber does not now what to do he has changed the 3 way motorised valve so hopefully when I show him your Video it will solve said problem! Thanks I appreciate the time and effort you put into producing these great videos. Ian
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
Let's hope you can get to the bottom of it.
@leerolfe5332
@leerolfe5332 4 жыл бұрын
Roger. Been around construction all my life coming from a building/construction family. Decided on plumbing as my profession. If i'd of had you as a mentor I'd of taken half the time to learn the knowledge. Took me a few years to grasp this particular fault find after my apprenticeship! Amazing explanation.
@royster3345
@royster3345 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, have this problem, rads get a little warm when just HW on, installed by a professional as well....!
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Some professionals don't know about reverse circulation. It is taught at college but not everyone goes to college.
@aspetm3846
@aspetm3846 3 жыл бұрын
As usual you have done great work and explained your own experience to be helpful for others. Many thanks Roger.
@paulthomas4701
@paulthomas4701 2 жыл бұрын
Its only been like that for 8 years! We thought we were going crazy or the controls kept losing connection. Our underfloor heating warms the tank and our immersion cooks the underfloor heating. The pipe work looks a little more complex, but I can see the returns are fighting in an equal T. Thanks
@TheD7035
@TheD7035 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Great video! our gravity fed Y system (with cyl) is a you have described, but has a small lock shield valve quarter to half turned on on the cyl pipe return to the boiler. The return pipe is in the correct place as you describe but I understand the addition of a lock shield valve also helps slow down the heating water in the cylinder coil so that the water in the coil is not going too fast as to "whizz" through the cyl and therefor heats the water as effectively as it can. I believe that the lock shield addition on the pipe return from the cyl also means the boiler should not receive back cyl coil water that is perhaps still too hot. NB. I'm Just in the process of tidying up the wiring centre (this is has been been a mess) with the larger Salus wiring centre ready for Hive to work on Home Kit. ( Grundfos UPS3 pump is set to Prop Pressure & working fine) Thanks again great video explanation.
@grahamshillingford8229
@grahamshillingford8229 4 жыл бұрын
I had the exact same issue on the same set up but it was the valve that had failed in my case. Another well explained & informative explanation Roger.👍👍
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
I can be the valve but it is easy to feel if it is letting by. I am amazed when plumbers just replace it without doing that.
@Lord-Brett-Sinclair
@Lord-Brett-Sinclair 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant as usual, we have just had this happen tonight 1st time in 6 years. Turned off the rads on the control unit and let's see what happens tomorrow.
@MAMDAVEM
@MAMDAVEM 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent timing for me Roger, I'd planned to replace my 3-valve this week to solve this exact problem and now I'm wondering if the problem is as you described. thanks!
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
If it has stopped then it is the valve. I think I unwitingly gave the reverse circulation too much weight. Thge important thing is that there is a simple way to find out which problem it is.
@TYLERCONSTRUCTION
@TYLERCONSTRUCTION 4 жыл бұрын
I learn a lot from these videos. In fact, I learn a lot from all your videos. Cheers Roger 👍
@marcuswareham1
@marcuswareham1 Ай бұрын
Fantastic video and explanation, I wonder if anyone else thinks "Doh, I wish i has watched this before I started!"
@MatSmithLondon
@MatSmithLondon 4 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite type of video, simple but really good. I think explaining stuff like this is your forte! (Not to say the other types aren’t good, but really like this format)
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mat. How is the house coming on.
@factsoverfeelings9228
@factsoverfeelings9228 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation. Theres a reason for everything ... when someone like you can articulate that it makes the world a better place. Now time to find that out of place T, on the return from the cylinder. My heat is on in my home, and the thermostat is off. Im thinking to myself, WTF?! Def. subscribing
@CrowdControl2K8
@CrowdControl2K8 2 жыл бұрын
I had this in a house in London. Radiators were hot when the boiler was switched off. Eventually I found the pipes going to the tenants house. The landlord had connected his radiators to his tenants house next door.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын
That is a new one on me but I did see a flat in a conversion block that was using the neighbour's gas supply.
@steve45678
@steve45678 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to start a campaign, to get you back on LBC radio " helps at hand phone in". Your brilliant and always liked listening to LBC when your radio show was on . Do you also remember the name of a motoring expert that was on LBC at roughly same time as your show? I think his first name was Gerrard?.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks but LBC will never revive that show. They are now purely political and it works for them. The motoring expert is Gerrard Sauer. I was in touch with him recently, a brilliant, brilliant man.
@steve45678
@steve45678 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder Many thanks for your reply.
@dskirkpa55
@dskirkpa55 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Roger. Indeed very useful information. Continue to keep up the good work
@lw5944
@lw5944 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video, which is helpful. I have a combit bolier, I can't turn off one of radiators. Could I ask what could be the cause of the problem? Many thanks.
@daytonamann5618
@daytonamann5618 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Roger, Thanks for the clear explanation. I have that problem and never really found a clear explanation until I saw your video! Thanks
@573mughal
@573mughal 3 жыл бұрын
I have just got the same problem, atleast I have got an idea 💡 what would be the problem. Now I know what is the solutions. Thank you for making knowledgeable video. Blessings
@berryj.greene7090
@berryj.greene7090 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Another nice video. Honest & true. Thanks. Yes now that you have reminded me I have heard about this reverse flow phenomenon. There's another similar possibility isn't there? To do with the header tank feed thermo-siphoning. So you feed it in BELOW the return from a sort of U bend so that the heated water cannot rise. Anyway my heating has worked fine for 17 years but this Summer the rads are getting slightly warm when there is a HW demand, I thought it must be the valve. But is it the ball or the motor? Should I bite the bullet and replace both bits of it? Can the ball be fixed in any way? Why would it get stuck or not seat?
@5ThingsI
@5ThingsI 3 жыл бұрын
Have this same issue but only with my living room radiator. I’ll give this a go!
@stevoc4023
@stevoc4023 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Roger, i love the channel. Could you do a video with a diagram like this one for a dual system please? I had a guy do the job for me last year but I know its not right, he just connected stove back boiler into current system fueled by gas. I was advised he should have used a dual coil cylinder with seperate feed from attic tank and seperate overflow. Also, I realised that if I get a power cut my pump on the solid fuel doesnt work. He also has no non return between systems so when running gas I am heating the water in the back boiler aswel as the radiators in the same room. I would like a professional drawing so I can make sure the job is done right this time round. Cheers for the content, it s good to see professionals at work taking pride in what they do.
@effervescence5664
@effervescence5664 4 жыл бұрын
You don't have to have a dual coil cylinder if you have two separate heating appliances doing hot water cylinder+ heating. In the case of solar panels heating hot water yes you'd opt for a dual coil. In the case of two heating appliances for instance an older boiler that only heats a system up to 55c and a new one that's nominal operating temp would be 65c often the older boiler would be satisfied and not come on. Then to stop that boiler being heated you would just use a pipe stat linked to a 2-port valve to stop the flow through the appliance. The more important thing I'd be asking is - normally if the power cuts any modern boiler will stop functioning and the boiler is in control of the pump to stop it potentially overheating and going bang. If the back boiler on the stove is solid fuel you also run the risk of that issue. Also it may be capable of gravity circulation but all hot water cylinders now are legally required to be pumped on the primary side. Honestly though without a site visit to assess what you actually want/require it's impossible to give a drawing.
@stevoc4023
@stevoc4023 4 жыл бұрын
@@effervescence5664 Hi Mark, thanks for the reply, I am in Ireland so I don't know if reg's are the same. I already had a gas boiler closed system, and wanted a solid fuel stove. When I bought it, the builders merchant told me I would need a separate feed from tank and overflow, which would allow for expansion should the pump fail, no valve or restriction on expansion pipe and it should be 1 inch. Then have a non return valve connecting one coil to the other so the gas fuel circuit has all the radiators bar one, and wont heat the solid fuel side, and the solid fuel side has no restriction, one radiator for expansion and will heat the gas circuit aswel, as you said, modern gas boiler wont kick in with thermostat. I will say, I am not a plumber, the building merchant more than likely not a plumber so I really only have a very basic understanding, not knowledge or experience. When I got it done there were very few plumbers registered for solid fuel and none registered for both. He said it was fine to just tee into existing flow and return and change to vented system. I am doing the house up now and don't want to tear the gaff apart should a pipe go bang, or if I try to sell down the line I could have problems. System is working, and I will have a plumber inspecting it for me during works. My doubts only arise from the two differing opinions of the installer and supplier.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve I will do something on this even though it is niche. I had one in my house but it was such a headache that I took it out and returned to a conventional system. I did quite a lot of them on wood burners in country locations but they were also prone to condensation on the back boiler which caused them to rot like pears.
@stevoc4023
@stevoc4023 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder Cheers, I appreciate that, I'll know if my plumber is a chancer or not. Look forward to it, I'll share it on and try and get you some more subs.
@andypdq
@andypdq 3 жыл бұрын
@@effervescence5664 You need a "neutraliser", a neutral point which supplies all the heating appliances thus equalising pressures in all circumstances. It's just a common tank where all the supplies for the heating appliances are fed from. See: dunsleyheat.co.uk/neutralizer.html
@danielgyc8800
@danielgyc8800 3 жыл бұрын
Well explained mate! Nice to refresh on these sort of things when you haven’t been jobbing for a while!
@mfr58
@mfr58 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice, as an amateur I would have thought just of the 3 way valve. However what I would say is that if this problem suddenly occurs some time after installation, I would think it unlikely the install problem that you describe as it would have been like it from the start....No?
@TheD7035
@TheD7035 Жыл бұрын
Just a thought to bear in mind perhaps there could have been a build up of magnetite some where inside the system near or at the three port valve / pump etc causing some obstruction / sticking if it's years after installation. May be Check with a magnet if you can on the copper pipe. Apparently Sentinel X100 or similar is supposed to help reduce magnetite build up esp with a Magnetic type "filter" regularly flushed or cleaned... as I say just a thought! 😀
@christianad5358
@christianad5358 2 жыл бұрын
EASIER and CHEAPER: Just close the individual radiator valves (the manual one) when the winter is gone. It takes 10 seconds for each radiator. No costs, no noise, the best solution indeed.
@eddiereed5025
@eddiereed5025 2 жыл бұрын
Also has the benfit of working the valve (TRV) as they are prone to sticking if not manually turned on and off ocassionaly
@williammcgrattan9583
@williammcgrattan9583 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent Roger👍
@19.07Club
@19.07Club 4 жыл бұрын
I have this problem really great to understand why! My DIY solution - the radiator closest to the cylinder I switch off in summer seems to stop the reverse flow.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
That will work in most cases and with TRVs they will close in the summer anyway.
@jctai100
@jctai100 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation! thank you
@110csw
@110csw 2 жыл бұрын
3 Plumbers in four years and I think you’ve solved my problem!
@Bob3D2000
@Bob3D2000 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you. Very clear explanation. Can I assume that if I've only had this problem for the first time this year, after fifteen years in the house, then it isn't reverse flow (because the plumbing layout hasn't suddenly changed), and that therefore I can assume that it's the motorised valve that's faulty?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
Yes that it the most likely scenario.
@ratchriat1716
@ratchriat1716 4 жыл бұрын
Found this video very informative and useful.
@stewartcross9939
@stewartcross9939 2 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC nice and simple I also had a run in with British Gas 6 engineers came round still could fix my problem they couldn’t run a bath shame the is not enough good plumber like yourself. Great videos 👍👍👍👍
@marcpatchett2690
@marcpatchett2690 4 жыл бұрын
Of course that's what it is! Christ on a bike I've been addled about this problem for three years. Even thought about emailing you about it for your Q&A. Right, I'm all over that this weekend. I think the none return valve will be the solution.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Just check the flow and returns on a radiator to see if they run the opposite way.
@unionjakjakson
@unionjakjakson Жыл бұрын
I have had exactly this happening for years. i have had at least 4 new micro switches fitted during that time. Strangely(or maybe not when you explain), a new switch seems to solve it for a while. But sure enough it comes back again after maybe 2 yrs or so. Not sure how i now try and get my regular service guy to tackle this without him getting all manny about me trying to tell him what really needs doing(he was not the one who fitted the system 20 yrs ago}. He is close to retirement so i might take the cowards diplomatic route and speak to a young plumber i now know who is keen to get more work!!. I suspect there is more chance that the younger guy might be the way forward for me. Thanks, invaluable info/advice.
@eddietheeditor
@eddietheeditor 2 жыл бұрын
Great no nonsense explanations - thanks Roger. My problem is the central heating pump comes on even when only hot water is selected. Motorized valve seems to be working and the programmer is only about a year old. Could it be the programmer is wired incorrectly? Anybody?
@brianobrain8985
@brianobrain8985 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. I've been going crazy for the past week trying to understand what is going on with this three-way valve and Honeywell actuator on my heating system.
@misshayirhayir2390
@misshayirhayir2390 3 жыл бұрын
The same thing has happened to me
@sawf6962
@sawf6962 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, I have been wondering why this has been happening in my house for the 7 years I've lived here. I assumed it was whoever did the plumbing being lazy/ignorant and now I know that is more than likely the case.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Just carry out the tests before you start any work, that way you will be sure.
@simonstones1918
@simonstones1918 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks roger, you’re such a generous man....👍
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
That isn't what my wife says.
@simonstones1918
@simonstones1918 4 жыл бұрын
Skill Builder that’s cause you spend more time with us knowledge-hungry “builders”, roger! Get the white board out and show her in doors how you’re gonna spend more time with her, starting with a little trip to brighton 😎
@greenj1m
@greenj1m 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Roger, great channel. Only thing I do different is run the heating to define flow and returns after I've witnessed the problem with just the hot water on. If the same pipe gets hotter it's the valve leaking, if the other one does it's reverse circulation.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Good way of explaining it but the same idea just the other way of coming at it.
@steviebye1
@steviebye1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video, I have this problem but I have a combi boiler. Any ideas?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
It will be the divertor valve in the boiler that is letting by.
@jamestranter2151
@jamestranter2151 Жыл бұрын
Great video I have this exact issue but only 1 radiator getting hot in the hallway instead of all of them…..could it still be this issue that you have explained?
@shaunglendinning
@shaunglendinning 4 жыл бұрын
Great piece of advice Roger! Appreciated. Cheers.
@talalkhayata1071
@talalkhayata1071 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. One question: isn’t the water coming out of the tank on the return cold? Even with reverse circulation, how do the radiators get warm?
@safeer4567
@safeer4567 2 жыл бұрын
Hi roger Great channel and video If i just have one radiator getting hot on the first floor when boiler on the ground floor how do i solve the issue ? Will i still need to lift boards to access pipework ?
@SoledadSolary
@SoledadSolary 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Roger. Thanks. Well explained.
@diykhan
@diykhan 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative guide thanks 👍👌
@lazylad9064
@lazylad9064 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent diagram and explanation of what can or might be problems. Thanks Rodger a little bit of knowledge is better than none👍👍👍
@doncodman913
@doncodman913 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks . will look for that now, Bloody hate it when rads get hot when not needed. rgds Don
@tinapye3527
@tinapye3527 Жыл бұрын
Excellent tuition. I have written this all down to grasp every word you have said. Now ... I have a combi boiler, not a cylinder/hot water tank. Can you please explain what is going wrong, when my heating comes on (radiators get hot) when my programme is CH OFF. What causes this? I turn my CH OFF and wake up in the morning to boiling radiators! Not good! Thank you.
@peterdavies2847
@peterdavies2847 3 жыл бұрын
Now I understand. Thanks for posting.
@tobinparsons
@tobinparsons 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, exactly the problem iv got! Top man.
@DjSkipAlexander
@DjSkipAlexander 10 ай бұрын
Thanks
@PeterPerhac
@PeterPerhac 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. We bought a house from a plumber. He's done all sorts of clever hacks and we have hot bathroom radiators (the two closest to the airing cupboard/hot water cylinder) pretty much all the time, even during summer heatwaves 🙂 Keeps the towels nice and dry at least...
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын
summer operation on towel rails is common.
@PeterPerhac
@PeterPerhac 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder How does it work? I am sure you could an entire mini-series on how my house is plumbed. It's a maze of pipes and tanks and valves, half of them unused...
@BusinessButlers
@BusinessButlers 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great explanation, Roger.
@jamieriggs9945
@jamieriggs9945 4 жыл бұрын
Although an excellent video explaining reverse circulation, the critical question to ask the customer is “has this problem always occurred or is it a new phenomenon”. Reverse circulation is caused by poor system design and won’t just happen all of a sudden! If rads are getting hot with just a H/W demand is a new problem it’s more than likely Motorised valve letting by. Some valves are more notorious for this than others!! Top marks for the explanation of the common return though 👍
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
you are so right. I know some people put up with this problem for years and some discover it when moving in to a new property but a few questions will lead you there faster.
@jainapatel1706
@jainapatel1706 3 жыл бұрын
Aaah. So this happened after we got someone to replace the TF1 filter. Could he have fitted it in wrong?
@alimusheri8305
@alimusheri8305 3 жыл бұрын
Great lesson. Thank you
@zali1049
@zali1049 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the really useful videos. I had reverse circulation on my downstairs radiators. This was resolved my fitting a non- return valve. However the issue now is that when i have both the Heating and Hot water on at the same time, the downstairs radiators are not warming up? Any ideas what it could be? Could it be there is too much resistance because of the non return valve?
@andysparks8245
@andysparks8245 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of good info there, but... as an engineer and not a plumber why not fit a 2nd motorised valve on the CH return before the common return that shuts when only the hot water is required making a closed system for HW?
@ButterFly-jm2fb
@ButterFly-jm2fb 2 жыл бұрын
October now. New boiler fitted in 3 floor house by Brit Gas last month. When heating goes off, top floor rads v hot. Same floor as emersion tank. Initially top floor rad long to heat. Now the opposite. Rads had power wash. Something stuck? What's the problem, do you think? Advice appreciated!
@livingladolcevita7318
@livingladolcevita7318 4 жыл бұрын
any chance you could do a film about under floor heating converting normal radiator heating system if indeed this is possible
@em8969
@em8969 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video mate
@martynlaverick3405
@martynlaverick3405 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thank you.
@MrSingitout
@MrSingitout Жыл бұрын
great explanation, don't think it's my problem though, the system was installed 20 years ago. it`s just recently my heating is on all the time regardless
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
It is probably a jammed micro switch or mechanism in the motorised valve. Put a vacuum cleaner nozzle on it and you might remove some grit and dust.
@steved5627
@steved5627 3 жыл бұрын
Very useful information. Do you have a video covering a constant low level hum from a SSE 330 boiler - even when the CH and HW are off (at night)? Thanks
@glennpowell3444
@glennpowell3444 2 жыл бұрын
I had the opposite happen wherby the rads stopped getting heat when the heating was on.The motorised valve motor was also making a buzzing noise.I replaced it and wired it in correctly and all was good.The only faff is part draining the system first and then bleeding an rebalancing afterwards.Changing the valve took about an hour all in with wiring but overall the whole job took about 4 hours.
@ryanogden5895
@ryanogden5895 4 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Be even better if you did a loft opening enlargeing video lol. Keep em coming
@soniagarrick3627
@soniagarrick3627 Жыл бұрын
Roger, thank you for this video. Very informative. Can you tell me please…..if the radiators are hot when the boiler (heating) is off, is it still putting a charge on your gas bill even though the boiler is off? Thank you! 😊
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын
Yes if they remain hot for more than 20 minutes it is costing you money
@soniagarrick3627
@soniagarrick3627 Жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder thank you very much. My bills are extraordinarly high. I live alone in a flat that’s compact and doesn’t get that cold. I wondered why so thank you very much for answering this question. I had my boiler serviced recently. Should the gas engineer have picked up on this warmth of the radiators by looking at the boiler, without me telling him?
@george9710
@george9710 2 жыл бұрын
This is really good thank you!
@benrichards1
@benrichards1 4 жыл бұрын
Time to get yourself in the college system, Roger. The students would learn a lot. Well explained
@girlsdrinkfeck
@girlsdrinkfeck 4 жыл бұрын
For us pc water cooling guys this is common sense
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Ben I did a 2 year teaching course some years ago to qualify and had some fun teaching at my local college but the money is not good enough to take it up as a full time job. Even doing it part time is hard because plumbing is so unpredictable that setting aside half a day a week to teach at the college is almost impossible.
@semerson2765
@semerson2765 4 жыл бұрын
Good one Roger 👍🏼 My shower mixer doesn’t go completely cold on the coldest setting. Is that likely to be design or installation error?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
I also like a cold shower. You need to callibrate it. Usually it is a case of taking the knob off and moving the stops.
@kennethslavin5469
@kennethslavin5469 Жыл бұрын
We have a gravity feed hydronic system that does not have electricity running to the boiler. The explanation I got was that the pilot produces millivolts of charge and if the charge is interrupted somehow the thermostat calls for the heat exchanger to ignite. Since there is no electricity the thermostat can't be turned off just down. The thermostat will call for heat even with no electricity.
@colincowell8148
@colincowell8148 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for explaning this problem,as I have a recurring problem with my central heating that I can not sort, Hopfully I will come across it in one of you blogs,
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Colin You can tell us the problem by going to the contact Skill Builder and I will do my best to help. If it is a good subject for a whiteboard I will do one.
@colincowell8148
@colincowell8148 4 жыл бұрын
Hi threre, The problem I have is I dont think that the Pump is powerful enough to pump water through the ground floor radiators ,As I have to switch the pump up to top speed to get them to warm up,I also suspect that the room stat is not talking to the Boiler and am about to replace it,the zone valve is working,but to get the heating to work I am using the Hot water Cylinder Belt thermostat to run the heating which heats the hot water in the taps and make it too hot. Any advise would be of great help.
@declanmoran1894
@declanmoran1894 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Roger , fully explained 👍👍👍
@zjzozn
@zjzozn 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one Dave 👍
@ladypenelope99
@ladypenelope99 4 жыл бұрын
Rog knows his stuff! 👍🏻🙂
@robertelliott6280
@robertelliott6280 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks.
@patrickmulholland1840
@patrickmulholland1840 3 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT EXPLAINATION THANKYOU
@arkskotch1589
@arkskotch1589 Жыл бұрын
I've just come across this problem. Ive had a plumber in as one of the radiators wasn't heating up. He said there was a blockage and used some type of sucking device and now the radiator is working again. But since he's done this, a few of my other radiators (ones closest to the boiler) are getting warm when the hot water is on. Never had this problem before.
@buggalugs
@buggalugs 4 жыл бұрын
solid information yet again :)
@sunegroennebaek5283
@sunegroennebaek5283 4 жыл бұрын
Perfectly understandable. Thank you very much 😊😎🇩🇰
@mickcarter670
@mickcarter670 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Roger 👍🏼
@adriatikqypi9356
@adriatikqypi9356 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@gazz4898
@gazz4898 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, great video; would this problem occur If an extra radiator has been installed and that one is the only rad getting partially warm when the hot water is regenerating? Kind regards
@tonysun7098
@tonysun7098 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your fantastic video, I have come across a problem with my bioler, can you please help. So basiclly the bioler is controlled via a Hive system, I have hot water scheduled for 30 minutes everyday which is sufficient for everyones usage. The bioler has its own mind and will turn on and off on its own despite the fact that the controller is turned off for both hot water and central heating. I checked the routine, and it seems to be: it will turn itself on every 3 minutes for 1 minute, then shut off for 3 minutes until the next circle. When it's on, water circulates through the pipes, and no radiators are hot. It looks like the water cylinder is calling the bioler to wake up? After an overnight power off from the mains to the bioler, the first start up seems much longer than 1 minutes, and that is when hot water not scheduled to start up at all. Your help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
@sween187
@sween187 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to be fancy, tesla valvular conduit, has no moving parts so no noise, for your non return valve.
@oldbutstillcurious3615
@oldbutstillcurious3615 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, I'd never heard of this interesting concept - alas, I can't find any reference to a manufactured product suitable for general plumbing use.
@casinodelonge
@casinodelonge 2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thank you.
@Georger392
@Georger392 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
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