Why Aren't All Pocket Hole Jigs Like This?!

[@stevejeffery4951]

Pure Genius. I’ve used your way to cover screws on numerous occasions and I think I’m going to have to try this. Nice work, as usual.

[@ianvicedomini2648]

It’s definitely worth seeing if you can take it further joe. I’ve seen similar principles but this shows a lot of promise. Great video mate 👍🏼👍🏼

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Ian! ❤️

[@snovku]

Fab idea, but you might want to consider a slightly bigger hole and putting in a bit of steel tubing to protect the plane from the drill? Keep up the good work and, if it goes into production, I will certainly be buying one.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Great idea Sandy! Would certainly help with wear. I hope it can be brought to market one day, long way to go though 😅

[@g1mpster]

Really great improvement on the original idea. Great idea!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! 😊

[@neiljemmerson8826]

Wow so simple but clever, I can see this kicking off👍

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Neil! 😊

[@JimDockrellWatertone]

Now you're a clever inventor. Great idea.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers Jim! 😊

[@clemmcguinness1087]

Excellent idea. Please keep doing these videos, thanks

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thank you! There are more videos on the way :)

[@timk282]

I so could have used that recently. Awesome concept. I think it would expand the use of pocket holes.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Tim! Had a mixed response so far from companies. Not sure if it has legs at this point haha

[@timk282]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Too bad. It's those unsightly holes, even filled, that had prevented me from using pocket holes in some situations. Regardless, for what it's worth, that's definitely the kind of innovated thinking that will pay off for you.

[@chasrobinson1240]

Clever and Brilliant........Next stop dragons den. Best idea i have seen in years

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers Chas! Would be good if I could go in with just an idea 🤣

[@carpdude73]

Great idea! Totally do-able!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Bill! 😊

[@pkuchnicki]

Good job! Very creative.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Peter! 😊

[@anthonymiddlesex6859]

fantastic idea simple is best.......have you had any feedback

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Anthony! I’ve spoken to a few companies and looking to take that next step

[@MexieMex]

Really good idea.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! 😊

[@awideman5981]

Joe, this is Flippin brilliant, mate

[@Hand-i-Craft]

Genius Joe 👍😀

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Leo! 😊

[@johnvodopija]

Bloody brilliant mate! Nice job 👍😎🇦🇺

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks John! 😊

[@davebuts1921]

Simple is always the best mate, patent it mate.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

I agree mate! Simpler the better! Really appreciate it 😊 its in the process of being protected

[@Kotdt1]

great video and great little jig add on

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Danny! Glad you like it 😊

[@SMee67]

Mate, that's bloody brilliant.🤯👍🏽 I like the idea of pocket hole joinery, but hate the ghastly long holes it leaves so have never ventured.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Bill! They’re great but like you say they can look ugly. Hopefully this is a better way of doing them 🤞

[@SMee67]

@@AverageJoesJoinery call Kreg direct mate, and ask to speak with someone from marketing perhaps and go from there, not sure how you'll go without a patent, as in nominee rolls it off you... or Miles Craft, they also have this jig and are a decent size company. Good luck buddy 👍🏽

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Bill! I’ll try and find a point of contact for them

[@ThePhilGrimm]

I saw the original piece and I've seen others do similar but this is really clever. Well done. I hope you make something from it.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! I posted the original tip for hiding a screw 5 years ago. Took me long enough to actually try this idea too haha

[@df8812]

Good on ya Joe! Good idea in my view, made that bit better by you being fairly local to me (judging by the accent). Best of luck fella

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks mate! Wolverhampton based haha

[@almagill]

Nice one Joe!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! 😊

[@markvasiloff2217]

I like the way your brain works. 👍

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Mark! 😊

[@maxximumb]

Nice idea.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Mate! 😊

[@DeanMakes]

That's a brilliant idea, I've used your tip on hidden screws quite a bit over the last year. Hopefully you can connect with someone who can make this a reality.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Dean! I think simple is often best haha It’s something I’d love to pursue its just knowing the next step haha

[@scottcochran2371]

Nice idea!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Scott! 😊

[@מעייןהמלבלבתחייםםםם]

Great idea!!!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks mate! 😊

[@praveen_dv]

Quite a trick! Any ideas for plywood?

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! In theory it should work for plywood too but I think maintaining a perfect grain match with plywood is less of an issues compared to solid woods

[@praveen_dv]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Brittle nature of ply doesn't give soft shaving like that of wood.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Very true mate. I think I would personally opt to paint plywood or maybe add a veneer on top to hide the screws.

[@alanrambel47]

Love the creativity and simplicity. Limited at this point to creating with the grain but like you said it's early days. And maybe you could find a way to connect with Pask makes. The guy is brilliant.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Alan! Its one of those ideas I just had to get out there and see if I was on the right track or not. I’ll have to get in touch and see what he thinks 😊

[@alanrambel47]

I eagerly look forward to anything that comes from a collaboration of makers

[@alanscannell]

Very clever bud 👍

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Alan! 😊

[@danceswithaardvarks3284]

Great idea.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks mate! Glad you like it 😊

[@MrGeoffreySmith]

That is damn sneaky! I like your thinking. Its amazing what you can do with just the tip! 😂😂

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

The tip is the best bit!! 🤣 Cheers mate!

[@AndyCPugh]

Clever idea!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Andy! 😊

[@jb-sz2kw]

Great idea and so simple (would be great to have a really affordable pocket hole jig too)...maybe apply to Dragon's Den? Hope it works out for you and best of luck.

[@dunawam]

brilliant!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Marc! 😊

[@oliverdelica2289]

Mind-blowing 🤯

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Oliver! 😊

[@Bambam007-u7s]

Clever guy👏👏

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thank you! 😊

[@hypnoraythompson5824]

🤟🏻% agree with Chris VWt4 (nice campa) you should patent that. Terrific idea.🤟🏻

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! I’m in the process of getting it protected 🤞

[@WoodWorkersWorkshopLimited]

Like all the best ideas, nice and simple, good one mate

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Peter! Simpler the better haha just need to see if there is enough interest to pursue it now 😅

[@briansworkshop01]

Amazing idea this could make a lot of money hope so ! Stay safe and invent more amazing stuff. 🍺🍺👍👍😷

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Brian! I’d love to develop it further and bring it to market 🤞 keep safe mate 😊

[@SammyInnit]

It's certainly a good idea in terms of what it's for but I'd likely say it's a niche item. You might look into working with a company such as Veritas who do smaller runs of products but then it'll cost a lot more money. Most people who use pocket hole joinery aren't going to spend a lot of money on a specialist block plane and those that can afford to, just go the way of Festool domino joinery. If you want to produce something relatively cost effectively yourself, 3D printing might be the way to go.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Sam! A custom block plane would be an expensive way to go for sure. Ideally I see the set up being much closer to an existing pocket jig with an added chisel sized blade. It would need the bells and whistles of a hand plane then. It would be great to partner with an existing manufacturer of pocket hole jigs to see if it could be adapted

[@chillyspoon]

Hi Joe - reach out to Peter Parfitt (New Brit Workshop), forward him the video, get his input, and ask for an introduction to the UJK product team at Axminster - good luck with the idea.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Great idea Fergus! I’ll see if I can find some contact info

[@georgee.3171]

Brilliant invention! Reach out to Kreg, Trend, UJK anybody that make pocket holes.. Triton

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks George! I’m trying to get in touch with them so fingers crossed its of interest 🤞

[@shookings]

Okay, when I saw Kreg, I wanted to have a go, because I hate Kreg. But this is an obvious improvement, and it needs to be developed. Have a look at Pask Makes. He makes his own block plane, and I can see this as a very useful next step

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers mate! It’s certainly an easy addition to an existing block plane. I’ll have to check them out. Thanks for the heads up!

[@jigsey.]

Bloody hell my fellow midlander (I'm from the East) that's a genius idea... If you don't get a noble prize for innovation I'll eat me hat

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers our kid! It’s simple but it works well 😊

[@mrupholsteryman]

I had an idea or a dozen..and there was one where I ran my mouth and didn't have money to file and even maintain a patent for it....and someone else brought it to market. Oh well. I love this idea. And whether someone copied it and changed one tiny piece (therefore making it a different product)... On one hand. This video can be used as evidence of your intellectual content and your willingness to share something cool with the community for the good of the group. I like it! 😀😇😎

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Sorry to hear that Jeffrey! It’s a shame that people are willing to do things like that but I guess its the way of the world. Like you say its really easy to tweak designs to get around patents and unless there is money to take people to court they’re useless anyway. I’m working on getting the design protected as some form of protection but I love to share my ideas and see what people think. Sometimes we dismiss the simple ones which can actually turn out to be great. If this goes nowhere I hope at least it has given other woodworkers an option for hiding pocket hole screws haha

[@mrupholsteryman]

@@AverageJoesJoinery I like this idea a lot. I don't have too many needs for it as most of the stuff I do..has not required the pocket hole..but I definitely dig the concept! 😀😇😎

[@vodiak]

The technique is clever, but why does the jig need to be in the hand plane? Why not just use a hand plane to make an incomplete pass, remove it, then clamp down a standard pocket hole jig? I think you'd get better positioning. What might help is a pocket hole jig with this technique in mind: a wedge shaped front that lets it get in under the shaving, and a clamping surface behind where you drill. I think I'd prefer to have them as separate tools.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

I did think of using a separate hand plane or even just a chisel but it would mean you’d beed to ‘peel’ up a much longer section of wood to clear the way for the regular pocket hole jig. A wedge shaped jig would be a possibility for sure. I just think its an elegant solution to have the 2 in 1. It can be used as a regular jig if you wanted by just sitting it on the surface as normal.

[@parrot3402]

NO WAY. take this vid down. ask a solicitor on how you can protect it while then approaching companies. How do I contact you privately.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

I’m in the process of getting it protected. I just wanted to gauge if its something worth pursuing really. See if people think its worth it. Email is probably best mate: [e-mail]

[@troutt99]

I agree!

[@danthemakerman]

Check out FastCap.com they have a section where you can submit your idea in the form of a video.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Dan! I’ve spoke with the owner about this idea 😉

[@danthemakerman]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Good luck I wish all the best.

[@woodworks3585]

Nice Mate. Hides the screw much better than those crappy wedges... Take this video down and protect your concept .... Please before some Muppet steels it from you. Talk to a solicitor and get in contact with the Patent office A.S.A.P .... We wish you all the luck in the world mate/ 👍👍👍👍😊😊😊😊 Be safe and take care out there. 👍😊😊👍

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers mate! I’m in the process of getting it protected 🤞 just trying to see if its worth pursuing or not haha

[@woodworks3585]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Always worth a try Mate. Go for it you never know. 😊😊😊 And Good Luck....

[@danthemakerman]

This is the link for Fast Cap I put it in a separate comment in case YT flags it. www.fastcap.com/content/submit-an-idea

[@rwind656]

FWIW, my understanding of patents is you have to hide the idea until granted. Once you have shared it with even a few people or with the world like you have here, you lose the right to patent it. But I am not a patent lawyer. So sorry if it's so I think it's a neat idea, and I would use it with pocket holes.

[@SammyInnit]

That's incorrect. Patents can and are granted retrospectively. Ever seen Patent Pending on a product? That's why.

[@rwind656]

@@SammyInnit TY for the correction. I hope you are right, I have only read a couple of books in the USA. And that is what I took away. unless the channel owner has already filed for a patent in which case it might be patent pending. But as I said I could be wrong. Many many people have had their ideas stolen.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Appreciate the advice mate. I think patents are a mind field to get around and without the money to back it up they’re pointless. I’m in the process of protecting the design which is much easier and quicker to obtain

[@ilishmaach]

You should patent and sell it

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

I’m working on it 😬

[@carlclaude-vanmohamed680]

Paintent it now!!!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Carl! I’m in the process of getting it protected

[@emilaunins3317]

Great idea:-) Maybe show it to UJK - I think they deal with these types of ideas/tools:-)

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Emil! I’ll have to try and find a contact for them. I know they make pocket hole jigs so fingers crossed haha

[@emilaunins3317]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Absolutely - I wish you the best of luck with your new business endeavor, and I'll continue to watch the channel:-)

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Really appreciate it mate 😊

[@frederickwood9116]

Watch your back. Go for it. Get a patient on it. It’s a long road but if you can get there it’s retirement. Nice idea. Good luck.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks mate! Really appreciate it. I’m in the process of getting it protected. Just need to figure out the next steps haha

[@stevem3534]

Genius patent it before someone els does

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Thanks Steve! Its in the process of being protected 😊

[@mikedeman5351]

Well, what can I say? If I had a hat, I would take it off to you :) Get this idea protected, approach KREG or ROCKLER, sign a deal, then retire on the royalties to a Caribbean Island (with a workshop). Well it sounds like a plan to ME !!!!!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Thanks Mike! I’m in the process of getting it protected. I’ll try and find contacts for Kreg and Rockler and see what they think 🤞

[@mikedeman5351]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Good, and when the day comes, I have a map of the Caribbean you can borrow :)

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Map to buried treasure I hope! 😂

[@mikedeman5351]

@@AverageJoesJoinery Ha Ha. Given my skint life - I WISH !!!

[@wayneblythe5713]

Very good idea, call Mr Kreg or text Mrs Trend, if you can’t get in touch with either of them then as a last resort I’m afraid your going to have to bite the bullet and WhatsApp Machine Mart!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Lmao Cheers Wayne! I’ll try and find their numbers... all of them! 😂

[@PeterOConnl]

I feel companies could run with this but you might not get any input or credit from it due to patents etc.

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Cheers Peter! It’s certainly a simple addition to existing tools out there. I’m in the process of getting it protected but haven’t got a clue where to go from there haha

[@parrot3402]

@@AverageJoesJoinery a product solicitor should be able to advise you.

[@The_man_himself_67]

My advice is don't put your idea on KZbin. Lol!

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers Richard! Just wanted to see what people think and see if its worth pursuing or not

[@combows]

Hope ya patented that idea before you post it on here lol

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Haha Cheers Simon 😂 It’s in the process of being protected. Need to see if I’m on the right track or not haha

[@combows]

@@AverageJoesJoinery no harm in in checking lol

[@MrJdebest]

A project for Gofundme ?

[@AverageJoesJoinery]

Think I’d feel more comfortable getting it into stores if possible. I worry a lot about gofundme stuff haha