Why Australia might move a border | American Reacts

[@TerryGaskett]

Did you understand the situation that the extended house builds would be in? The new houses would be in the Yass district, which is quite a distance away. They would be a drag on that local council( monetary,) & probably not have the same benifits as their next door neighbour.(Electricity, Child Care, Sewage etc)

[@slhope64]

IF you look at the corner of Appel St and Binya Ave in Coolangatta (QLD), there is a gated housing estate to the south (opposite Appel St) called Kirra Shores. It's got a fence around it, and the whole estate is in NSW. But you can't drive out of it unless you go north through Queensland. Some of the houses at the southern end have person sized gates in the fence, but I don't think there's any car sized ones, and they'd just go to a backyard anyway, not the streets inside. I wonder what happened there when they shut the borders. Did it effectively become part of QLD for a few months?

[@inodesnet]

Great video. Given its first time since federation it’s likely it’s never been done. There are quirks on the NSW/SA/VIC corner too. Hope your partner visa gets sorted. My wife needed to go through same long process when we got married. Pain, and it’s significantly longer when you’re in Australia than out of.

[@GaryNoone-jz3mq]

The reason that Canberra is where it is, is because it was halfway between Sydney and Melbourne. That was to placate the people who wanted the capital to be in one or the other.

[@briancampbell179]

I wouldn't exactly describe it as "half way".

[@MyMusic-cd3do]

@@briancampbell179 sounds like my brother divvyig up the cake. "Half for you and half for me." " I wouldn't exactly call that half. " "What would you know? Shut up and eat your cake."

[@profonde3460]

The Australian Capital Territory (it's not just 'Canberra') is much closer to Sydney than it is to Melbourne. Sydney City to Canberra central is 285 km & from Melbourne City to Canberra is 662km. "As the crow flies" isn't much difference, as road routes (for distances put) are pretty much direct. Canberra is a bit over 3 hours drive from Sydney, nearly 8 hours drive from Melb

[@lennytheleopard]

.... and set inland in case the Russians attacked.

[@profonde3460]

@@Telle875 Hi, "halfway between Melbourne & Sydney" wasn't the thing taught when I was at school, long time ago. (Australian History was my equal fav & equal best of my subjects. Other was geography). "Half-way between Melbourne & Canberra" is just what has become lexicon, but there were several other places considered. Even the specific site of Canberra wasn't decided until much into the process. As it was sites "near Yass" that were looked at, not just where Canberra/ACT is. Albury area (which I knew when at school) was a consideration, as close to an actual half-way point as only 75 kms closer to Sydney than to Melbourne. From National Museum of Australia: "... contenders were Albury, Wagga Wagga, Orange, Armidale, Bombala, Tumut, and Dalgety as well as Yass-Canberra. The first tour of senators to inspect sites took place in the blistering February of 1902. The heat did some places, like Albury, no favours in the selection process" - Founding of Canberra | National Museum of Australia Only thing decided upon before selection of location was for the Capital of Australia to be a wholly planned city. So not at places stated above, but in the vicinity of. [It doesn't say in the NMA documents* why Bombala or Tumut weren't chosen, but I'd make a guess Bombala, (Bombala Valley) Tumut (Tumut Plains lost out as bit difficult to get to. *Probably does in the physical documents] [Why Orange, & Armidale (which i didn't know) were considered I haven't read that part, yet, but it shows it was just to be at a new site not in Sydney or Melbourne; not necessarily between the 2.]

[@gregscally5119]

The SA-Victoria border was supposed to be the 141E longitude as set by the Crown but in the day they could not measure it accurately so the borderline was placed incorrectly and SA got short changed by about 1300 sq kilometres. With later, better measurement techniques the error was revealed but it was too hard to change the border. There are sections of the NSW-Victoria along the straight line section which is not defined by the Murray River which were incorrectly pegged. At the road crossing over the Delegate River the border was only corrected relatively recently in this century.

[@Mr_Bio_Hazard]

Victoria and NSW has a straight border running from north-west from Cape Howe on the Tasman Sea to Indi Springs, the headwaters of the Murray River.

[@garystrahan4601]

There was a brief time in the late 1840s, when they were deciding on the border location for the separation of Victoria then known as the Port Phillip District of NSW. That the border was going to be in a straight line across from Moruya on the NSW coast to the head of the Murrumbidgee River (the bottom point of the ACT) along the Murrumbidgee to where it joins with the Murray River and then follow the Murray River to South Australia for the final part of the border as it is now. So, in regards to your thoughts of Canberra, ACT sharing a border with two states, it almost did happen.

[@raracygno]

People might not realise, but ACT has traditionally had very high population growth. In some years (2017-19), it was the highest of all states and territories. Just in the last couple of years it has been more at the Australian average. This isn't a migration issue. It's a service delivery issue. If it remains in NSW then Yass local government which is a 50min drive away, needs to provide schools, policing, health, etc and will have to go through the ACT to do it as there is no other road access. The NSW local council, which agreed to the rezoning for development, is also in favour of the border move as it is too hard and expensive for them to provide services under these circumstances. Other places like Queanbeyan border on another side of the ACT, and there is lots of development and growth in that area. However, no one is proposing moving borders there because it has its own council, is well established, accessible, and doesn't have these service delivery issues. NSW could keep the area if they wanted, but are they prepared to pay for what will be higher than average cost for getting services to these residents or whatever ACT would charge them for delivering it to them on their behalf?

[@arokh72]

Considering there's a proposed 30000 homes (or people, can't recall) housing development that straddles the NSW/ACT border, and the ACT has already suggested moving the border to encompass the entire development, I'm thinking that's what the video is talking about. Edit: Nailed it.

[@coraliemoller3896]

ACT is trying to steal land from NSW. Just like all the crooks in Canberra. Hands off!

[@virginiacharlotte7007]

Good at least it is not about removing the border between SA and the NT. I can stop watching now.

[@marktuppen5526]

USA has its Point Roberts to get to it by land you need to drive through Canada. Even on the Victoria South Australia board there section which is cut off by the Glenelg River. 8k of the river is in South Australia called Donovans

[@leed206]

Live in NSW just north of the ACT been here nearly 50 years this has been a rumour as long as ive been here, along with the Barton Highway upgrade.

[@TheHsan22]

Barton Highway is a discrace, with too many deaths on that road in NSW. A hodge podge of speed limits, single/dual carriageways, short passing lanes, and a speed trap (Murrimbateman township). Add to that the ACT built a beautiful road on its side of the border only to hobble it with.... a hodge podge of speed limits, cameras, and a silly roundabout with traffic lights, build an overpass for christsake.

[@CBM_Walks]

Some time ago (& not only one time, but a few) were discussions to fix the Victoria/ South Australia border. While it may look like straight north-south line on maps, it isn't. It is 5 km difference at the north end, to the south end. This difference can be at (near north of) Renmark SA, / west of Mlildura, Vic. For approx 5 km (more, following the river course), the South Australia/Victoria Border follows the Murray River, & goes south-east. So part of the Victoria/NSW border doesn't actually follow the Murray River (going west) all the way to the South Australian/Victorian border. Video on youtube re it: 'The Border Mistake That Created a Disputed Territory'. (Maybe type Australia, as well, as of course not only border mapping error that's happened in the world. Really need to zoom in on google maps (near Renmark & Mildura) or other website maps, as on many drawn maps can't seen this little "squiggly bit" along the Murray river. If the border was straight north-south the town of Serviceton in Vic would actually be in SA

[@gregoryjohn4]

In 1967 there was a referendum on the secession from NSW of New England (from Lake Macquarie to the Qld border). It was defeated by 54 to 46 mainly due to a strong NO vote in the most populous Hunter region where the government ran a scare campaign that Hunter producers would be excluded from the Sydney market. The farther north you go the stronger the YES vote was. It's a shame, because the north of the state has never has a great deal of love from the government in Sydney. It was a missed opportunity for self-government.

[@Mediawatcher2023]

its classed halfway between Sydney and Melbourne but in fact its the town of Tarcutta which is 206km west of the capital

[@threestumps7560]

Kaitlyn, you ought to check out the tristate border points of NSW/Vic/SA and WA/SA/NT - not how everyone thinks it is.

[@caltravels9454]

ACT has two separate zoned territories, The ACT itself and Jervis Bay which is a military port that gives our capital, Canberra, access to maritime activity, you wont find much on this as it is a federally secured sight.

[@PiersDJackson]

Strangely Jervis Bay is now considered separate from the Australian Capital Territory, it is now the Jervis Bay Territories, and yet is also considered part of the ACT for jurisdictional issues...

[@Aquarium-Downunder]

You better not tell the people living in JBT that. The car number plates are even marked JERVIS BAY and not ACT. No ACT public transport in JBT.

[@jomac2046]

The boarder between Victoria and Tasmania only has about 75 meters of actual land.

[@mtgoat1016]

The boarder between Victoria and Tasmania is called bass Strait FFS.

[@jomac2046]

@@mtgoat1016 Here you go Sherlock Boundary Islet is divided in the east-west direction at the latitude 39°12′ S, with the northern portion belonging to Victoria and the southern portion belonging to Tasmania.

[@PiersDJackson]

Other odd straight borders are the eastern end of the NSW/Vic border... an interesting alternative would be to keep a straight line from the existing source of the Murray River and then a straight-ish line (or the ridgeline) to the source of the Wallagaraugh River, then to the coast along it's course.

[@gregoryjohn4]

It is not unusual for neighbours in close communities to come under different state jurisdictions. It happens in Tweed Heads and Coolangatta and also in Albury and Wodonga. The converse of that is that people in tiny Jervis Bay are in the jurisdiction of the ACT, not NSW, even though they are separated from the ACT by some distance. To be honest, the artificial border of the ACT probably should be abolished and the ACT returned to the territory of NSW.

[@brettevill9055]

Since the High Court ruled that the "Seat of Government" is not the whole of the ACT but only the Senate and House of Reps chambers while Parliament is in session (which was all about the litigation over ACT self-government) we have to suppose that having the rest of the capital city (and indeed, most of Parliament House itself) being under the jurisdiction of some other legislature isn't a problem after all. If the federal government can operate its offices and so on under the jurisdiction of th ACT Legislative Assembly, why would the government of NSW be different in principle?

[@johnellison3030]

Why is there a MineCraft house with eyes in the middle of the screen at 4:40. And another one too it's right. And a third one in the top right corner of the screen ?

[@benji274]

Yes, WA would be by first guess. Though it’d be nice if Victoria gave SA back Serviceton and aligned with the NSW-SA border

[@carisi2k11]

Why. SA has a lot more land then Victoria.

[@roseknightmare]

​@carisi2k11 the agreed upon original borders are not where the current borders are maintained. Also the livable area of SA is actually very limited and taking the land they did reduced SA's productive farming by a bit over 10% from before. So yeah there is still some annoyance there.

[@threestumps7560]

NSW could invade Cockburn and move the border 3km west 😂

[@FionaEm]

The weird thing is that Canberra sits at the top of the ACT. Plenty of room to expand below the most southerly suburban hub, Tuggeranong. Don't know why they're all crowding up near the northern border.

[@JustinWatson23]

Its all mostly national park south of Tuggeranong. There are some rural properties in the paddy's river area, but the Space tracking station there would get too much interference if they built suburbs in that valley (i thinkt here is a commonwealth law protecting that area as well inj agreement with the USA), plus it would be extremely expensive to build there and service them. It will never be built on IMO.

[@whymeeveryone]

Living were you have to cross state borders is interesting, yet what about countries where the border may go down a road I like to know how that would work

[@geoffk8996]

Yass council in NSW doesn’t want to provide the services (roads, garbage services etc) for the proposed housing project and is willing to let the ACT to takeover the area. Canberra is one of the fastest growing cities in Australia.

[@brontewcat]

The term ‘cool’ is not a younger generation term. It was definitely around in the 1960s and the hippie era. It dates from the 1940s, and the jazz era.

[@optimusmaximus9646]

Older people like me who grew up using the word "cool" rarely use it nowadays but it is still very common with young people. However, a lot of the other words which we also used, like "pad" (house), "hip" (fashionably current), "split" (leave), and "far out"/"out of sight" (expression of approval), "drag" (overwhelming), "gnarly" (cool and exciting) fell out of use some time ago. But I still use them as they are art of my identity. I grew up in the era of funk and disco, surf culture and CB radios so I naturally retain these terms in my vocabulary and still use them from time to time, but only to people of my generation. I am sure the kiddies would look at me with dismay if I spoke to them using these words today.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Cool was taken from black slavers.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

It was a word bought in by American slaves. To play it "cool" around slave owners. Same as "nitty gritty"

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

We got it from the African slaves. It means to relax in front of slave owners.... to play it cool. It's not European.

[@hilliard665]

I live near here on the NSW south coast, I think it's crazy weed is legal just over that line but my mate got raided for growing 1 plant BC he is on the wrong side of the line 🙄

[@roderickdunn3464]

Australia is a Federation of states. Any change would require an agreement between the two states. So NSW and ACT would need to agree to any change.

[@sheerluckholmes5468]

Where does it stop, this little bit today but in another twenty or fifty years what other borders will they want changed to suit them?

[@home8630]

When I first heard ACT, I immediately thought Queenbeyan, because those two are so close together, its not just about housing, its about sharing resources and infrastructure. Wasn't expecting on the other side of ACT. Canberra and the surrounding areas, is more than what you think. There is a lot of need for housing, real estate has grown and gone up. We just sold in the area, one housing block in one part, able to buy an acerage in another quieter area and put a new house on it, debt free and without the bank, hopefully. Never thought we would be able to do that. We want to do that, before it takes off.

[@PiersDJackson]

In one of those "What if..." scenarios of Australia not federating, rather that Western Australia stayed separate and carved itself into territories, and that included expanding east to Yalata. Victoria formed a Confederation with South Australia and Tasmania, whilst also siezing control of the Darling River system as far north as Bourke, and to the west with Broken Hill. The remainder of New South Wales join the Dominion of New Zealand and South Wales. Leaving Queensland annexing many of the Polynesian Islands.

[@doubledee9675]

Right. At the various conferences leading up to Federation, there were great disputes between Sydney and Melbourne as to which was to be the capital of the new country. The compromise reached was that it would be in land excised from NSW, but at least 100 miles (160 kilometres) from Sydney. In addition to land for the new capital, NSW also ceded land at Jervis Bay to be the port for the national capital. It was never used for that, but has long been a naval base. As an aside, the design for the new city was carried out by Walter Burley Griffin and his wife Marion. There were considerable disputes between Burley Griffin and the various ministers to whom he was responsible - much as there were between Joern Utzon and the NSW State Government over the design and construction of the Sydney Opera House. Eventually, the Griffins left and built their house in the Sydney suburb of Pymble. The house and its landscaping, remain largely in accordance with the Griffins' design.

[@shaun5552]

Jervis Bay has never been used as a port but as a bit of trivia it very nearly became the site for a nuclear reactor. They got as far as clearing some land and building a car park, which is still there today, before the plan was scrapped half a century ago.

[@doubledee9675]

@@shaun5552 One of the more humorous by-ways of political history

[@utha2665]

It looks like whoever drew the western ACT border got bored and went stuff it, just draw a stright line through the rest of it. BTW, this isn't a migration issue, this is a housing issue.

[@batmanlives6456]

It’s an immigration issue … Have you ever visited? It’s spot the Aussie

[@fionamcwilliam8703]

There will be more migration so houses need to be built everywhere.

[@mindi2050]

@@batmanlives6456 No doubt that's what the locals said back in the late 1700's when the Brits started arriving.

[@judithstrachan9399]

1788. 1776 was why they came.

[@utha2665]

@@batmanlives6456 But people aren't arriving from overseas and moving to Canberra and you can't say that there is a correlation with the immigration numbers.

[@scroungasworkshop4663]

I knew it, but then again I live in the ACT. Immigration is becoming a problem because of people on KZbin keep letting it out how good it is here😂. Most of the ACT is National Parks so there isn’t much room to go south. I’ve lived in Canberra for 60 years so I’ve seen it grow in spurts but the last 20 years it hasn’t stopped. I see all of the new suburbs going in and wonder where all the people will come from but as soon as the homes and units are built people move in. Being the capital we have a reputation for having good schools, healthcare and it’s still pretty easy to get around. Lots of parks and open spaces and it rated as an excellent city to raise a family. 😊

[@Aquarium-Downunder]

only good thing about the ACT in a mate who lives in the ACT gets me fireworks.

[@scroungasworkshop4663]

@@Aquarium-Downunder 😂😂😂

[@carisi2k11]

So long as the ACT gives an equivalent amount of land to NSW then OK. If it is is just a land grab then heck no. For example the river also moves into the ACT to the south of that area and so that area could be given to NSW while the other part is given to the ACT. an equal land swap.

[@JustinWatson23]

When. they use the word immigration, they are also meaning from other parts of Australia, not just overseas migration. The useable land is also running out within the ACT, and the only reason they want to change the borders is because its easier for the ACT government to provide the services to the house built there than for the council in NSW to do it, The council isn't actually losing out much in this plan as it would cost them more than its worth to service this area. To eb honest though, they probably need to look at expanding the borders morer than just this little bit and look at where future housing developments may go as well. Also what they are trying to avoid in Canberra is the urban sprawl that Sydney and Melbourne have. It costs a lot more to provide services to a larger city with a larger footprint. So while apartments are not everyones favopurite place to live, more of those are being built as infill and thats mostly where the overseas immigrants are moving to, because they are used to that style of living and its much better in general than where many came from. The border where NSW, Victoria and SA meets is als intersting, zoom in on google maps, i forget the reason this happened, some disagreement with the surveyors and states i think.

[@Leftfield71]

1. Between the last two census (2016 & 2021), Canberra's population grew by over 10% which was the one of highest growth rates in the country. I think Gold Coast may have been higher. 2. The population projections are based on information from the Australian Bureau of Statistics including international and domestic immigration as well local birth and death rates. Because Canberra has a relatively stable employment market, a higher average salary and younger demographic (although I think that is changing) than the rest of the country, the ABS predicts that Canberra will have fairly steady growth over the next 40-50 years at around the 8-12% every census period. 3. Most of the surrounding area is rural but there a number of small towns, and to the east there is a rather large town of Queanbeyan which as a population of a little under 40,000. 4. Moving the border makes sense because Canberra is growing rapidly and outside of the local CBD's are reluctant to grow vertically, but I think they should look at expanding the border a little more than suggested in the video.

[@judithstrachan9399]

I agree, but they just chose the convenience of using the river & creek as the new borders. They aren’t looking far enough ahead. Unless they know something we don’t…..

[@step1drag1dwnunda]

Also why are they building a housing estate next to a river, don't they know rivers flood? derrrrr

[@Teagirl009]

I remember there was a lot of talk and arguing about the Qld /NSW border during lockdowns. Wanting to temporarily extend the border to make it easier for workers from border towns. Whether they actually go ahead with this ACT/NSW border change remains to be seen. But it does make sense. I've always thought Qld is too big to be one state and should have been divided into two states or a north and south state. Especially as the weather/climate is very different in far north to the south east in the state. Different issues snd considerations. For example daylight savings might benefit south east qld, but not necessarily far north or tropical north Qld. Suppose you could say similar for WA, given its size.

[@thickquinkly1560]

What you have to remember is that Canberra started out as an artificial city that was populated by imported young couples and didn’t have a full demographic hierarchy running from great grandparents through to newborns until around 2000. When I first moved to Canberra in 1980, out of an office of about 54 people, only 2 were Canberra born and breds. Everyone else was, like me, a ring in. By the time I retired in 2014, in the last office I was in, I had become the rarity, being one of the few non born and breds. By then, most of my colleagues were the children or grandchildren of us ring ins. What this meant was that Canberra has had to grow just to keep up with a production line of people who are, or have recently entered, prime procreation age. It’s only really in the last 20 years that housing has started to become available from an older generation who have either retired to Batemans Bay, or moved on to join the search for Norwegian Blues. Apart from that, there was never much suitable countryside in the ACT to bung in a Canberra in the first place. It has reached the point where it has pretty much grown to fill what was available, with the only countryside suitable for expansion existing across the borders that it has now squeezed up against.

[@Aquarium-Downunder]

The IQ in the ATC has been the same for 200 years, the pollies are about as smart as sheep.

[@muddydave01]

Vic & NSW east of the Murray

[@Guvament_bs]

There is an old saying that Canberra is a waste of a good sheep paddock. (A paddy is essentially a fenced field)

[@SH4UN3]

W.A and Queensland coz there’s talk about moving both. Well moving one and also adding another

[@paulboyd9171]

There is still a lot of land to the south of the ACT that can be used for housing, so why are developers wanting to build to the north? It's because they can buy land cheaper.

[@TheRICKY85]

There's already a problem with cities being too big.... but his is one that sort of makes sense, even though they could just build up as well.

[@lancer1993]

I don't see any problem with this, clearly in this was the developers own the land or have an agreement to buy it. And on the NSW side of the border its basically far land, so not many will be impacted if the ACT was given more land for future growth so they all stay under the ACT laws and local government control.

[@michaelfink64]

I think you might be right about it being WA. I know that there is a kink in what looks like a straight border between WA and SA that they might want fixed. There is also a weird kink at the top of hr VIC/SA border. These relate to issues with the way surveying was done in the olden days. Now, let's see... Ok, wrong on both counts. I think this is pretty dumb. I don't think you should change borders just because of a housing development. There are plenty of townships and urban areas that straddle borders and the world didn't end for them. Some examples: Tweed Heads/Coolangatta, Albury/Wodonga, Echuca/Moama, Mildura/Wentworth. Some of these have different time zones over the border but this would not be the case for ACT-NSW. There is already a substantial settlement, Queanbeyan, that is in NSW but is basically a suburb of Canberra. I think they should just suck it up and leave the border alone.

[@afpwebworks]

You asked an excellent question so i tapped Uncle Google on the shoulder and asked him ""how many Canberrans work in the public service?" The answer surprised me. Like you i had an assumption that by far the majority of residents of ACT work as public servants. Google says, "The public service accounts for 42 per cent of the ACT's total workforce, with 32 per cent of jobs in the federal public service, and ACT Government positions accounting for the remaining 10 per cent." So that means about half the ACT's work force DONT work for the government. I guess they're people like retail store employees, delivery people, professionals like Dentists and Doctors and Nurses, etc. There's a thriving It sector in ACT. I have a friend who runs a games developing business along with a training college for games developers. His office is in quite a large technology park. Over the years since I came to Australia in 1981 quite a few people i know have moved home from the Sydney area to the ACT because it's apparently a lot cheaper to buy a house there.

[@matthewpaull1664]

According to Google, 105000 APS and 27000 ACT government employees, so about 27% of the population.

[@trevorkrause7220]

As the population of the ACT is forecast to double in a relatively short time one shou,d expect that there wil, be many more large housing developments planned near and over the present border. Also the local governments near that border are almost entirely rural and so would not have that much expertise, experience, facilities and services that could be needed to adequately service high dendity suburban developments and population zones. So there will eventually have to be an intergovernmental agreement to change the border in that area or else the NSW government and local authorities wou,d need to spend a significant portion of its proposed or forecast yearly budgets to create and maintain these newly required services and expertise while probably expecting some form of major reimbursement from ACT coffers. This situation is not like New Jersey having a sizable resident population that provides a considerable number of workers that commute and work in New York. Both are large metropolitan areas and New Jersy residents who commute to New York has very similar requirements, as far as local authorities are concerned, as those New Jersey residents that work locally. It would be more like developing high density New York style housing developments for NY worker's families in Idaho or Wyoming or Ohio rural areas and expect the local authorities to easily handle all requests for residental services even though they have no other high density housing projects or experience with such. In this case very rural local counci,s are located right next to the suburbs of Australia's Capital city, with only a line drawn on a map separating them until the present housing crisis has crossed that line.

[@PineappleSkip]

I knew straight away it was the ACT, which was a slice of land that NSW handed over as part of the Federation deal ;)

[@452jman]

I'm an Australian, and I have often wondered what has gone through the heads the ones that drew/decided on where the boar lines would be put. However the problem of people living near the ACT border have the same problem as everyone else's that lives near a borders throughout Australia, where the other side of the street or block is a bit different because it's a different state/Territory. Moving the border only moves the problem to another area, if you could call it a problem. To me, I say leave it and just put up with it, but if bordes are a problem, them fix it by removing all borders throughout Australia, then there will no longer be any more border disputes.... Simple!

[@gerardbryant1445]

The developer wants the border moved so he can make money! There was another housing development in NSW, on the Eastern border with the ACT that was shut down because it was under the flight path of Canberra's airport. There is lots of land to the South of Canberra, within the ACT, that could be developed, but no one wants to do that as yet. It's just being filled with solar farms at the moment.

[@StephenDruce-t9g]

Most of the ACT is a national park

[@Guvament_bs]

Canberra is a public service town. They need to expand the town because they intend to vastly increase the size of the public service.

[@garrybell5694]

Halfway Victoria and nsw

[@dropbear6740]

More like halfway Sydney-Melbourne

[@veggieaussiechick]

I knew they were thinking of splitting north QLD and south QLD which is ridiculous

[@JOHN58476]

as some one who lives in NSW hell no .

[@deskynaston1527]

Canberra has the second highest population growth (after Gold Coast)

[@trevx3680]

The electoral boundaries are regularly revised by an independent government body to accommodate changes in population distribution.

[@Aussiedave54]

Can't move a border, it's to bloody heavy 😂

[@jessecaple170]

Ya need a bigga forklift mate🚜😂😂😂

[@oldenbusted1289]

Just need a couple of Border Collies to get it moving.

[@jessecaple170]

@@oldenbusted1289 we see wot ya did there🤣😂🤣😂

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Too*

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Too*

[@ianhehir8038]

I'm a NSW resident & as long as the NSW government makes the Feds pay through the nose for the land the ACT want then I'm ok with it. Something along the line of getting our fair share (ie bigger) of GST revenue for something like 99 years.

[@Aquarium-Downunder]

Most pensioners are better off in NSW by over $1000 to $2000 per year. eg free car rego, free eye glasses, NSW rebates and more. if you live in that part of NSW and need to catch a train to Sydney, it's only $2.50 for 24 hours on NSW public transport if you live in ACT it will cost you 1/2 fair. LOTS MORE MONEY.

[@UteChewb]

Ah, ACT, makes sense, but people get funny when it comes to moving borders. I thought it might be the Victoria / SA border. There's a short video about how when SA drew up its eastern border they made a mistake of a couple of km. They asked NSW to change it, and they agreed. They asked Victoria to change their border by the same amount and they said no, and it has remained out of sync. On a map, the eastern border of SA looks like a perfectly straight line from QLD to the sea, but it isn't... thanks Victoria. Disclaimer: not a SAian.

[@smithpatricemary]

I live in Canberra after spending most the time in Melb the last 3 years. Came back and was shocked at the population growth..mostly Indians. Huge migration growth. Plus an extra 10% of public service jobs were created in the last two xears apparently. Its such a boring place- heading back to Melb soon 😂😂

[@petercroft3273]

I'm in Perth and I hear a few people calling for secession all the time. Yes, I get very irritated by the way we're treated a lot of the time, but I think the idea of secession is pure wishful thinking, ridiculous. Perhaps secessionists could explain what they would do when the Commonwealth took back all the things that are federally owned, such as Australia Post, Customs and Excise, AQIS, all the defence bases, air traffic control, just to name a few. Yes, WA is wealthy in mineral royalties, but not that wealthy. It's a stupid idea. However, enough of the jokes about time differences! It happens to be very convenient when watching UK or European TV programs, and even eastern states TV. There are many ways that our time zone is ideal, so stop your stupid jokes. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

[@ricklorimer9984]

since WA currently contributes way more than it's share, it could simply take over running all federal programs within the state, and save a heap of money.

[@franceskrahe6261]

Maybe we have too much Government.

[@sammidee4713]

I can't see why they cannot move the border, however, if someone already owns land in that area being bordered is forced to sell their land to some big developer then I am against it. Considering how much money will be made for these developers they had better have very deep pockets to pay to the current owners of the land.

[@profonde3460]

It won't be Western Australia. As the west side of Australia's border was moved in 1800s. The continent of Australis (wasn't named Australia until 1790s) was originally, until 1820s, only just Colony Of New South Wales, & the Dutch Territory of Niuw (New) Holland. With the border running down the middle of the continent; very roughly, (give or take approx 100 miles) where Sturt Highway alignment is. The Border between the British Colony & the Dutch Territory was moved from the "centre" /133 degrees parallel to the 129 degrees parallel in 1825. The Western Colony (becoming British Colony) changed from Niuew Holland to Swan River Colony in 1929. There's a great video showing all the timeline separations of the Colonies (before became States several decades later), & new borders along with that, & couple subsequent changes, Video is titled: 'Territorial History of Australia'. (suggest to click on cogwheel, under youtube videos, & slow the speed down. As while it shows well the changes, it does show them all quite fast) In the 1820s the border for Nieuw Holland was moved to where current WA Border & when the west side became the 'Swan River Territory'. It later became 'Western Australia' So after nearly 5 decades of British Isles persons settlement, and some Europeans, in Australia, the west half of the continent was still a territory of the Netherlands. But the Dutch never colonised it. Or did they? It's believed Dirt Hartog Island off the west coast of Western Australia, possibly had a settlement for a while in the 1600s, after a ship was wrecked. There's evidence of fire (as in fireplace or cooking) been found, but no finds of European persons remains. But, as we know the Dutch never colonised the west half. Or did they? There's been evidence of 2 very small settlements found on 2 islands off the west coast of Australia. Remains of a few Europeans, from the wrecked ship the Batavia, have been found on Beacon Island in the Geraldton region, including couple young children, with one an infant of 12 months. Which shows they'd been there for maybe a year. It's also believed that Dirk Hartog Island off the west coast of Western Australia, possibly had a few Europeans living there for a while in the 1600s, after a European ship was wrecked. There's evidence of fire (as in fireplace or cooking) been found (& doesn't match indigenous) way, but no finds of European persons remains.

[@Sh4dow682]

Australia be f*cked without WA..

[@nevilleapple629]

It’s all Australian and belongs to all of us.

[@biggils8894]

5:40 Definitely planning on more boarder closures. Get ready for the 15 minute city, and restricted air travel from 2030

[@daviddixon9458]

Yes we are moving our boarder in WA further east to enlarge the state. As we pay for Australia's running costs so may as well run the place. 😅😅😅😅

[@MrKnobba]

Lots of top doctors in cambra..and all the aged care sector.

[@MyMusic-cd3do]

My guess is they're gonna shift the Tassie border.

[@TheHsan22]

You'd be surprised by how close to Victoria the Tassie border is. They have a very small island that is close to Vic, and border includes that island and surrounding waters, so most of Bass Strait is Tas responsibility.

[@MyMusic-cd3do]

@@TheHsan22 Yay! I was right!

[@nivek944]

1:38 Unlike Washington DC, the reason why Canberra/ACT is where it is, is simple. Prior to 1926 Melbourne was Australian Capital, but Sydney (who hates Melbourne) wanted it for themselves! Sooooo with good Aussie problem solving we said Righto - We'll compromise! And so there it is -Slap bang half way between Sydney and Melbourne in the middle of a sheep paddock! -. PROBLEM SOLVED - Neither Sydney or Melbourne got it. and here's a bit for you. Any National Capital should have a sea port which opens onto the Oceans of the World to sail their navies from: Right? The Molonglo River wouldn't qualify so Jervis Bay is the official port for Canberra.. - Now try and work that one out! 7:16 They would have to do a referendum on the landowners affected. Home buyers are not Illegal Immigrants. (ACT is a teritory- not a separate country)- like I tell my Americal friends to come here and claim political asylum because they are in daily danger of their life over there because they go around using guns with impunity! But don't come by boat otherwise you'll end up in Nauru.

[@waynehampson9569]

The Australian Capital Territory border with New South Wales.

[@warg8728]

this is nothing like the gerrymander situation in the US, they have moved the borders of the voting districts in Australia to balance population to give fair representation, not to get a political advantage.

[@alanlivingston3727]

A much better idea would be for NSW to resume that land - force the nobs in Canberra to actually implement the high rise mantra that they're trying to force the rest of the country to suffer.

[@matthewpaull1664]

What alarm bells and red flags do you think should be going off ?!?!? It’s an area of bush and old pasture land, and most or all of the people involved are going to be Australian, it’s not Texas and Mexico. The population of the ACT has grown by about 100,000 in the last 15 or so years, another 300,000 or more in the next 45 years isn’t too hard to comprehend. We also have some of the highest rental prices and median house prices in the country.

[@sniper10666]

It’s only Canberra and part of what’s going to be changed ain’t used much nsw anyways. We won’t miss it ,at the these people who end up in the act can get a free licence every year

[@stevecam724]

I love how you are straight on to all the BS, you've only been here 2 years and you can see right through all this.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

I know. An informed yank. Sounds like an oxymoron but it happens 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Dartanian1959]

ACT Is not a state its a territory of Australia

[@grahamwright6010]

Act & NSW

[@DavidCalvert-mh9sy]

My question is, will the population of Canberra double because of a massive increase in (ugh) federal public servants?

[@glenwillson5073]

Its been done before, more than once.

[@roslynjonsson2383]

I personally don't care less about borders changing. It's only a line on a map, and a postcode change. It's not as if anything overly important will change in your life. A few local laws and property rates is all really, so no huge biggie. It's ALL Australia, no matter where lines are drawn. So it really doesn't bother most of us. Now the stupid WA/SA/NT border, and time zone issue, that's a different kettle of fish - someone, anyone, has to see sense eventually and move the stupid line on the map and the pegs in the ground - I know we're pretty unique in Aus, but mate, that's taking it a tad too far.

[@banta-pd8zj]

They'll have to ask property developers for permission before ordinary people like state or federal politicians are allowed to interfere with their business interests. If you upset the property developers well, you don't know how those ogres might retaliate.

[@mickwakened9092]

This sounds like it’s 25 years old

[@davidtaylor2152]

To sell off the land for potential developers, though Melbourne was the fed govt hq until 1927, so i guess the hq will move to Sydney.

[@TheHsan22]

That's what Albo and his gang of Sydney MPs want I suspect.

[@lennytheleopard]

What around the ACT though? Nothing. Just like inside it.

[@winstonwilliams4859]

the pollies and their developer mates are trying to make a land grab

[@OpEditorial]

Be honest. Would anyone notice or care?

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Nobody cares now 😂😂😂😂😂

[@kenr86]

It certainly won't be Tassie...

[@shanepenney2316]

Queenbeyan on the boarder

[@roystad8916]

Expanding the ACT IS crazy it should be down sized the divisive politics of that state are not good for the country.

[@darrenellis5113]

Kaitly, the USA was formed as a union of states where the primary body is the states, it is very hard to change the boarders. Australia is a Federated Country first. The primary body is the Commonwealth. It acts like an umberella under which the states sit as second tier bodies. Posession of the internal boarders belongs to the Federation and is hence much easier to change than in the US where posession of the boarders belong to each state.

[@mindi2050]

I'd like to see the federal government attempt to move a state border without the permission of the states.

[@010Astroboy]

518,000 immigrants came to Australia last year....way too much which is causing a housing crisis & ridiculous prices for houses & rentals.

[@mindi2050]

I don't think we can just blame immigrants. Although they make an easy target. Abolishing negative gearing would help. I also don't understand why public housing projects were scrapped by the states and territories years ago.

[@Danger_Mouse_00]

As usual ABC is full of lies as BS. The past 100 yrs borders has changed. All they had to do is look at Wikipedia for their research regarding this story. 1927 - The Northern Territory is split into two territories - North Australia and Central Australia. 1931 - North Australia and Central Australia are reincorporated as the Northern Territory. Britain recognises Australia as possessors of the uninhabited Ashmore and Cartier Islands, making them an external federal territory.

[@antontsau]

There is even youtube clip depicting all these border changes from 1788 to current. 1:26 Territorial History of Australia

[@tonyhanley9458]

Hanging a damn order won’t change rhe housing problem. We all know that ACT is a law u;to itself. Canberra is a total seperate entity to the rest of Australia.

[@anEyePhil]

The ACT is a good sheep run, spoiled.

[@brettevill9055]

I used to think so too, but then I looked into the history of it. They spoiled _four_ good sheep runs.

[@ronosmo]

Act/nsw

[@donkeys762]

This joint is about to severely shrink in size. Just like you will see with the pollies wallets.