Why BAND-MAID x The Warning! Reactions Are GONE

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[@WavePotter]

UPDATE on this and edited reaction: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4LCgmNrjNdgqJY I may not have clearly mentioned this, but the strike came from Pony Canyon, and I definitely understand why now. When I filmed my reaction and reformatted the footage, they were both things already up on KZbin, so it didn’t seem like it would be a problem, or at worst just get claimed or blocked. But I’m not looking to blame anyone else for this. Just venting my personal frustration that it ended up in a strike. I’m grateful that it’s only one strike!

[@TeeSpicerReacts]

I don't know but as of this moment, mine is still up with no problem! But then I used the original upload, unlike most reactors that used your upload. Has anyone else gotten a strike or been taken down? IDK but I'm not going to take the chance, I'm going to go ahead and take it down and post it on my Patreon for free. Also, this is NOT the band, it's Band-Maid's publishing company.

[@Eddie-qx7cx]

You have put in a lot of time supporting BM. That does suck!!

[@c4sb2008]

countless times i have gotten a reaction blocked and a few strikes when big channels like yours have no issues. Though I do not wish a strike on anyone it should be large channels do not get treated better or get away with stuff. When this video came up i avoided it just for the strike reason, saw that one coming. You should get a strike if everybody else did

[@_DriveTime]

Sorry this happened. The staffer who published the video is really the person who messed up. I don't blame them for not wanting a low-quality phone video to undercut a new song debut. FYI Blocking is an automated function of YT ContentId. Since the new song isn't in the system, blocks couldn't happen. The takedown request form only allows two options: 7 day notice and immediate removal which results in a strike. So, there isn't really a convenient way to retroactively block a previously released video. It was a confluence of circumstances that started with the IG bootleg. The hype was intended to be around the 30 second clip released by the band. You were really of the victim of circumstances.

[@UncleYoshi]

Hi Wave, I got 2 videos taken down last night as well & received 1 strike. Gotta just wait it out 90 days for it to expire & just kinda take it as part of the territory with sharing music 🎶 content. It's unfortunate, but sometimes these things happen, so it's a better path for us to somehow take this positively by respecting Pony Canyon's decision. I think you can write an email 📧 to them, and they might remove the copyright strike.

[@steveherman6909]

I just got done posting to WP about reaching out to other channels and your post jumped out at me. Thanks for chiming in to let him know one way to perhaps deal with the strike.

[@curtisrrobles7885]

wow :(

[@glennandadriansrocktalk]

Sorry, Wave. Happened to us, too. ETA - with more info, I understand better the circumstances behind this, and we'll continue to cover Band-Maid.

[@WavePotter]

Sorry to hear that guys. 😔

[@derekdangerfield187]

Is it because of the management from Warning or Band Maid? I would suspect it was from the Warning side, since we've never had this issue with Band Maid.

[@glennandadriansrocktalk]

@@derekdangerfield187 Band-Maid. Definitely. Their music publisher, most likely.

[@hardknox1917]

@@derekdangerfield187it was Bandmaids management

[@_DriveTime]

Sorry this happened. The staffer who published the video is really the person who messed up. I don't blame them for not wanting a low-quality phone video to undercut a new song debut. FYI Blocking is an automated function of YT ContentId. Since the new song isn't in the system, blocks couldn't happen. The takedown request form only allows two options: 7 day notice and immediate removal which results in a strike. So, there isn't really a convenient way to retroactively block a previously released video. It was a confluence of circumstances that started with the IG bootleg. The hype was intended to be around the 30 second clip released by the band. You were really of the victim of circumstances.

[@archaeopteryx981]

Hey, Wave. I know it's a bummer to have that copyright strike over your head, but don't take it as a personal attack. Think of it from the label's point of view: The full song was released before the official teaser was even published. Pony Canyon has been VERY permissive when it comes to reaction videos-even when it comes to bootleg recordings of already published songs and older blu-ray recordings-but no label would be happy if an unreleased song was already circulating on the internet before the official unveiling. I think we take free-flowing distribution of IP for granted so much, that we get offended when someone tries to protect their IP. There are literally hundreds of unauthorized Band-Maid live recordings circulating on the internet that Pony Canyon lets slide, but distribution of an unreleased song crosses a red line-and that's ultimately a high bar.

[@steveherman6909]

IP should always remain with the artist. Record labels have a contractual agreement that they get exclusive rights to share the IP. Publishing companies hold the copyright to the IP of the artist that the label has the exclusive right to share. System failure.

[@frankandre4385]

Every business I've ever been a part of (either secular or religious),has been a slave to the bottom line. It's humble pie,but occasionally we need to be reminded to "follow the money". The money has no concern for someone's feelings or livelihood. To quote Michael Corleone: " It's not personal Sonny... It's just business." 🤦🏻‍♂️😑

[@toshimatyu6654]

From Japan　Thank you for always supporting BAND-MAID. In Japan, filming live performances is not permitted at the moment. I was surprised to see so many live performance videos uploaded to KZbin this time. If this were allowed, many people would film and upload them to KZbin without permission. The rules in Japan would be broken by fans. I feel that Pony is trying to protect not only their company, but also Japan's live performance culture. They have never forgotten the support they receive from Reactors. It must have been a difficult decision for them as well.

[@JAF729]

I have a feeling the label didn't expect any video recording of the song would happen (other than the 30 sec snippet Band-Maid released) due to the fact that you can't record videos with your phone in Japan. Maybe they did not know that the fancam video was posted by The Warning...or maybe it wasn't posted by them (the internet isn't always reliable). So they figured it was recorded by a fan and that was why they took it down. Either way it sounds like a miscommunication between The Warning camp and Pony Canyon - and you don't deserve a strike. In short I don't think The Warning was suppose to post that video (Afterall the song is going on a Band-Maid album) so technically it's a Band-Maid song.

[@hardknox1917]

It was a warning crew member and posted on that crew members personal page , then it was instantly removed but it was already stolen by many and plastered on KZbin . These reactors need to only react to official releases! Fancams suck anyways

[@simon704]

Does matter how the mistake happened Band maid are the one that choice to attack and shit on the fans and supporter that made them with this action. I say let band maid burn I think they are pretty average at best compared to the Warning anyway

[@Davey-Boyd]

@@simon704 So Simon, you are such a Warning fan you slag off their friends. What a great fan you are! And you are wrong, Band-Maid didn't do anything, this was a staff member of The Warning who filmed in a no-filming concert and released copyright material. And Pony Canyon doing damage limitation - going overboard in my opinion. The members of Band-Maid probably know nothing about it. The staff member made a mistake, that's all. And the rest off your statement is crap too.

[@robertfournier2804]

​@@simon704if you don't like them what in the world are you doing here?

[@simon704]

@@robertfournier2804 I follow the warning

[@Anony_MouseY]

The concert in Japan had a NO FILMING clause and well you see what happens …😳

[@robertandre778]

sry for you man , I thought it might happen when I saw the video and it's a non release song yet . be careful and I hope everything goes well for you

[@TWICE_Queenz33]

PC has always been good to reactors to all their mvs not just Bandmaid. Warning crew member who fancamed probably didn't know rules of fancaming at Japanese concerts, probably got excited about how good the collab song was and wanted everyone to know aboit it. I ts only one strike. No big deal. Just wait till mv comes out.

[@guitar-hirochannel]

In Japan, even if some scenes such as concerts are reflected, it will be against the law and It doesn't matter whether the video is the photographer's or shared one will be subject to immediate deletion. That's why it set up a shooting time during the concert. The video shot by the fans this time is clearly against the law in Japan, and we can't complain even if it is deleted. So it's wise to wait quietly for the MV or album to come out.

[@BRO-HI808]

Hey Wave, sorry to hear about the strike, but life goes on and you'll be fine. In Japanese we say, "Shigata ga nai" which translates to "It cannot be helped" or "What's done is done". When learning this in college, in my small pea sized mind, I actually thought is was best to combine them, although not technically correct. "It cannot be helped, as what's done is done." Take this as learning experience. Copyright has always been a touchy subject and going forward, I would definitely avoid unreleased/unpublished material. In the back of my mind, I was thinking someone is going to to happen, as the Maids mentioned it was going to be coming out on their new album and also saw the 30 sec teaser put out by the Official Band-Maid channel. As for Pony Canyon I think everyone needs to take a breath and cut them some slack. They has been very lenient with previously released content, not on or no longer on Official "free" sites. There's a few channels posting material which are still behind paywalls out there, but at one point they were published in one way or another and have not taken those down. I think we've all just learned where "the red line in the sand" is for Pony Canyon.

[@gradyshmalady8284]

The French just say "c'est la vie."

[@SamuelR007]

I think The english/American version of this would be "It is what it is." which is a bastardized version of the original quote, but still applies.

[@JesusVillanueva]

Sorry, I'm with the bands on this one, the video you reframed as 16x9 had the entire song without anything that would allow it to qualify for the Fair use doctrine: "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

[@ausoleil8269]

This fair use thingy does not exist in Japan. This was not a factor.

[@gradyshmalady8284]

I'm certain it was their corporation that took the videos down. I doubt the Maids would care. Japanese corps are known for being litigious with their IP.

[@bobespirit2112]

I’m sorry that happened to your channel. Please don’t let it get you down. In truth, it’s probably not unexpected based on how it was leaked by mistake. Certainly we know music publishers can be aggressive in protecting their content. Next time you could do a lot of pauses and have a lot of discussion - maybe that would help, not sure. Either way, stay strong 💪🏼 and keep moving forward. Personally, I’m out of work at the moment, so i know about setbacks and the need to keep a positive frame of mind. Try to just put it in the rear view mirror and move onto the next content you want to do. Good luck 🍀

[@hardknox1917]

It was not put out there by the warnings band page , a warning crew member screwed up and put it on his insta and when he got word tthst he fd up he took it down but it was to late and already ripped and stole and put all over KZbin .

[@robertkroberjr.157]

This is such a crock! So sorry to hear this! Wishing you luck in the future! Stay strong! 😎✌️

[@tinyhato]

It's alright, Wave. You'll sail through this no problem. The strike will be gone before you know it. I think they probably went with the Strike in order to make it very clear that "leaks" and "unauthorized fancam footage" are unacceptable. I guarantee you will never put up another video that is recorded in the same way, and probably not any "leaked" songs either, if anything like that happens to come out. From Pony Canyon's point of view, that's mission accomplished. I get that. I don't agree but I get it... Well, I *would* get it, if the video had been from a random fan. But this was from the other band's management. Because it was from the band, I think permission was implied. Bad move from them.

[@Jmg831]

Which band leak it?

[@steveherman6909]

Relax, breathe. In, hold, and out. There are many channels that have survived copyright strikes, and as you say this is your first, the pain is real for the moment. You'll get through it. If it becomes a further issue, then fault not being yours works in your favor. Absolutely find out where things went wrong to use in your defense, but try not to sweat it. You will not lose your channel and whatever compensation you do get. Perhaps reach out to other channels to see how they have dealt with strikes. Keep on keeping on my brother.

[@rizkikamal6641]

Yeah... The Worlds is suck... Sometimes... That is one reality that i'm face it too & surely we are feel sorry for what happened... Wave, frustated for temporaly its okay by the way... Than you decided to end of all your amazing works from this channel... Just keep your Spirit... Wave, I know you even just a little bit, just never stop to make this Channel on top as your dream... because we all always behind you... Hhe...

[@Highrider_Phil_C]

I understand your concern with getting a strike, some times it just doesn't make any sense. Is there any chance of you fighting it? And FYI a lot of people that posted that video have also been taken down, some are still up. I suspect those will be down soon. Long live rock 'n roll.

[@jasonremy1627]

Sorry man. That sucks. I hope you get it worked out.

[@donrichards271]

Any fancam is a bootleg. Bootleg recording is illegal in Japan. I'm surprised you expected anything less than this. This was inevitable. You seem like a smart guy. Maybe you just let the excitement cloud your judgement.

[@WavePotter]

These rules aren't exactly obvious to American people.. But yes i was definitely blinded by the hype! Such a momentous exciting day!

[@wjones1499]

Like everyone else, I was super excited and super glad when you posted it, obviously because I got to see it. But now I'm really bummed about what happened to you. Hope it doesn't hurt you other than getting one strike. I'm sure you'll be careful between now and September, duh. And you should emerge just as strong as always.

[@JbfMusicGuitar]

Completely get it man, copyright strikes are a total kick in the balls. So demotivating and can make you second guess uploading any thing vaguely reaction based. Got 10 days left on a strike from a Baby Metal video myself... Will be glad to see that warning go away, not a fun thing to have hanging over your head. I'm sure you'll dust yourself off in no time, but it's totally worth while explaining stuff like this and letting yourself express how bloody awful it feels!

[@WavePotter]

I’m glad to hear your strike is almost gone. It’s still such a new “profession” or whatever you want to call it. It’s tough to navigate sometimes. But I love your work man! Good to hear from you!

[@JbfMusicGuitar]

@@WavePotter for sure, it can feel very tenuous or unstable at times! Cheers bud right back at you 🤘

[@stevekane4922]

I've checked it seems every reaction to the full official video is down, but not to uncle Yoshi's fancam. I don't think the Warning's fancam was the problem. There is also a fancam from the wings by Ale of Akane but I haven't seen anyone repost it here on YT. So the issue is with the official it seems

[@conrad98gtp]

Sorry to hear about this! 😢 Both The Warning and Band Maid's popularity were launched by KZbin, and people like you who share and react to their content. This is a big git to their KZbin supporters.

[@blaineoshaughnessy685]

A big hug to you Wave. This too shall pass. ♥️✌🏻😎

[@Chuckles..]

I'm glad the artist(s) pulled the plug. The audio and visual were so piss poor, it made the song sound bad. Not good for either band. edit: sorry this happened to you, certainly not your fault.

[@WavePotter]

Yes that makes sense. Especially when trying to appeal to a new audience. For us hardcore fans, we don't really care about the audio quality, but i could see how it would be instantly dismissed by someone who is new to them.

[@1RacerXer]

I already downloaded a few of them. Guess I'm too used to the KZbin BS...

[@Gary-bs7fo]

I'm seeing dozens of reaction videos still up and running

[@rockyetsx70]

Imagine what happened to The Warning crew member that posted that full length video, they are likely looking for a job today. If the reaction would have been limited to the 30 second clip posted by Band-Maid, it likely wouldn't be an issue. Reprocessing the pirate video into a different format is what likely took it from a block to a strike, as that takes it up a step in making the video escape the piracy algo. A pirate video is a pirate video even if it was pirated by a crew member who should have known better than post it.

[@idk2545]

How was he supposed to know that the crew member posted it with ill intent? It’s a fair assumption that it’s fine to post i if them themselves posted it

[@TWICE_Queenz33]

Crew member probably didn't the know the rules of fancaming at Japanese concerts. That's all.

[@ryankieth1675]

I can guarantee he still has his job. Their crew is family.

[@glennandadriansrocktalk]

I hope they didn't suffer any consequences, I don't blame the crew member either, I strongly doubt they would have posted this for any reason except excitement to show the fans. This is an unusual set of circumstances.

[@DragonPhlyy]

@@TWICE_Queenz33so they thought they were the only person in the entire venue that decided to pull out a phone? I don’t buy it.

[@dangermouseuk78]

It was obvious that the warning didn't get the memo as they said there would be no live stream of the show.

[@glennandadriansrocktalk]

It's not the Warning's fault. This is about communication, and also how to handle your business as a music publisher. There was NO NEED for a copyright strike for this. All they had to do was block it .

[@dangermouseuk78]

@@glennandadriansrocktalk I never said it was there fault I was inferring that they wasn't told.

[@glennandadriansrocktalk]

@@dangermouseuk78 OK. Yes, I agree there seems to have been a lack of communication.

[@simon704]

Band maid choose to take this level of action against their support network and fans

[@dangermouseuk78]

@@simon704 much like every band or group it's the label that does this not the Band or group themselves.

[@WavePotter]

UPDATE on this and edited reaction: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4LCgmNrjNdgqJY

[@federicovilla3480]

My understanding _Show Them_ is a Band-Maid song that will be part of their new album, not The Warning's since we already know the 12 songs on their _Keep Me Fed_ album.

[@dennisthemenace671]

You should have known , you have been doing this long enough .

[@WavePotter]

In America, it’s normal for fancams to be shared and build up hype over unreleased songs. It’s just the way music works in 2024. Japan has very specific laws, different from overseas.

[@BlahBlah_13]

@@WavePotter While it might be normalized in a sense in America now, unless specifically allowed, it is still technically illegal. I would assume it could still run the risk of a copyright strike, too. I'd stick with official releases from now on.

[@dennisthemenace671]

@@WavePotter Well Wave they are from Japan not America .

[@zdenekkryst9392]

My IG post were yesterday also deleted 😢

[@hingyee2123]

Hang in there… you’ll be fine and now you know. Just be on the straight and narrow for a few months. You can do it!…:) Three months is easy…. I was on probation for 3 years so 3 months is really nothing…lol

[@grahamreed8774]

Hi Wave. There has been some clarification re the Strikes from Glenn Reacts and he says that after a discussion with them the videos have now been re-instated. I hope that this is true- love from all.

[@thefamjaycrew3901]

It sucks Waves sorry to hear that but I removed my reaction to it wish KZbin would understand that we are just simply telling the world 🌎 about amazing music etc I got people telling me should remove it etc but yes it does suck has a reaction channel myself I get copyright claims etc but no strike thx to some people saying be careful with it etc I took my down myself before anything happened keep on rocking Waves love your channel bro 😊🤟

[@azumanoan]

Thank you for your continued support of band-maid. I wonder what the management company thinks about band-maid being raised by overseas fans. Please do not lose power. From Japan.

[@Mizanato]

I will continue supporting TW & BM no matter what.Beside it's the ponycanyon fault.

[@UltraHD.7]

I understand this is frustrating for you, I really do, but noone can say that this is a total surprise or unexpected. We are talking about an unreleased song, that was not supposed to go public. I don't know who did the stream, maybe it was somebody of The Warnings crew, but certainly it wasn't "The Warning" as you said. What really shocked me was the "I feed my wife and kid from this channel" part. Things like that could happen any time to YT channels, 3 strikes doesn't sound that much. Don't you think it's a bit too risky to rely on the YT income to support a family? And also, as hard as it is and this may sound harsh, the management sadly owes you nothing because you're doing reaction videos of them. Thousands of people are doing this, sorry. I suppose there might be an official video coming out of the performance, so they want to keep it out of the net until then.

[@stevekane4922]

Seems most likely that there was some kind of fuck up. Poncan obviously mean to release a live video, and you never see fancams of shows that are live videoed. So someone in an office far away from the band panicked. Don't take it personally please, that's a bit childish. Certainly don't start saying it was cynically done on purpose.

[@MaartenT]

While I am pissed about this, again nothing wrong with blocking it, striking it is too much since one of the crew posted it themselves. I agree that this was not done on purpose (posting the fancam to strike channels), there is no reason for them to do that. I do still think people should stop reacting to Pony Canyon stuff though, nothing childish about that, just business. If they actively don't want reactors to grow their band for free, they should spend the marketing money outside of Japan themselves.

[@kixx91]

@@MaartenT Someone said in another comment that it was at the moment the only option for Pony Canyon to instantly remove the video because it is an unreleased song.

[@MaartenT]

@@kixx91 They should have just left it online then until the official video is posted, then block the videos after the official one released. What good does removing the video? It only gives bad press, nothing good. People have already seen it and are hoping for an official video with good sound and videoquality, it hyped up the album and did a better job of it than Band-Maid/Pony Canyon did before. It did the job the official video was supposed to do and made people more excited for it. Stuff like this happens, they should learn to roll with the punches, but a lot of Japanese companies are terrible at doing that unfortunately. I am absolutely NOT watching that official video nor reactions to it and I hope I am not alone (I probably will be) and I am seriously thinking of not importing the album either. They can keep all their copies (I am probably going to cave on this to be fair). It certainly made me less interested to keep supporting the band and I have given them a lot over the last couple of years. There are plenty of other Japanese bands that deserve more support, I will just give them more I guess.

[@kixx91]

​@@MaartenT Don't see it that negatively. We can be happy that they allow reactions to the official releases. A lot of bands/managements don't even allow that. Fancams for shows in Japan aren't even allowed. But I have to agree with you that Japanese companies still have a lot to learn when it comes to hype generation.

[@TWICE_Queenz33]

​@MaartenT stop being a cry baby. PC has always been good with reactors on Bandmaid videos..

[@pris7]

I used to like your channel, but is it necessary to make such videos? I'm disappointed. If you're going to vent such complaints, shouldn't you stop making reaction videos and manage your content with something you've created yourself? If you can't do that, you should be more cautious and humble.

[@ChuckJansenII]

First of all, Wave, I hate to see you get the copyright strike. Hopefully you can get it overturned or retracted. Do we know whether this strike came from Band-Maid management or The Warning management? Contact a band to see if they will retract or unblock as case may be. Rick Beato got a block from Led Zeppelin. Fans took to social media and let Robert Plant know and Mr. Plant had the video unblocked. In that case it was the label. Band-Maid love reaction channels. When I saw them in Dallas in 2022 Miku asked if people liked KZbin reactions. Then she asked if there were any reactors. A guy yelled out wildly waving his hands. Pigeon looked and pointed. "Akane is a big fan of your channel." It was Mr. Rock and Roll.

[@Puyax01]

Pony Canyon

[@ChuckJansenII]

@@Puyax01 Thanks.

[@doronpa2008]

Japan is very strict on funcams. Almost 100% of the bands on Japanese labels do not allow fancams. Please do not hate Japan.

[@adrian.at11]

No sé inglés pero quiero decirte que no te enojes directamente con las bandas (BM & TW) hay gente con más poder arriba de ellas y no tienen la culpa por hacer este tipo de censura. Si te tienes que enojar con alguien, hazlo con las disqueras o quien tenga más poder sobre las bandas. Lamento mucho que te eliminarán el vídeo, eres de las mejores personas que han seguido la trayectoria de estás grandes bandas, y así como yo, muchos no queremos que dejes de hacerlo. Mucho animo y esperamos que este suceso sea el último

[@ajdenzer3039]

Im just happy that I got the chance to see your video, and sad that this has happend to you.

[@aldomacias361]

That sucks man

[@thesuperdak7224]

Terrible, hopefully it can get straitened out. I actually wondered if this was going to happen, because it appeared to be a cell phone video, and NOBODY records concerts on cell phones in Japan.

[@billb.5183]

It happens but only if the artist gives permission. That obviously wasn't the case this time.

[@redeyeracing8731]

i think people will have second thoughts promoting @TheWarning in the future. thats whats been so cool about the band but now with this a little wind has been taken out of the sails. I was so over the top happy to see the video and 24 hs later the buzz is how crushed the fans are now. sad... thats all i see now is videos about the aftermath, not the bands. this may do damage to the buzz around #thewarning and #bandmaid

sorry you busted your ass to get the reactions out. Luckily the album will be out soon and we can enjoy HQ audio and maybe video too. They may be super sensitive about material leaking out before publishing. maybe a trigger happy overreaction. i can promise not to request LiSA until Nov not to get you into more deep

[@tonygriffin_]

I spent a lot of time adding English subtitles to 6 Band-Maid MV's and they got tens of thousands of views over several months. The monetization went to Nippon Crown and they, Revolver and Pony Canyon seemed fine with what I'd done. Then, one day, their old talent agency, Platinum Passport, hit me with two strikes on two of the videos and, having had my channel since 2008, I removed the other four before YT terminated it. Now they're all on my FB site, BAND-MAID SUBTITLED MV'S, instead! It'll all go back to normal in 90 days so just be very careful until then. It's just the way it is so the easiest way to deal with it is just to accept it. Anything else and the only person being stressed will be you, not them - and we don't want that. Stay safe.

[@WavePotter]

Man I’m sorry about that Tony. Subtitles are so much work and add so much value. You’d think that would be fair use, but then again, Japan doesn’t have fair use laws so it’s all so confusing. Thanks though!

[@falconsooner]

It is odd because PC had been very lenient before. The ladies are very supportive of reactions so surprising PC would hand out strikes. I really wonder if this was a rogue PC employee who didn't get the memo. This is a very counterproductive decision. I can understand them blocking it due to the song not being officially released but a strike?????

[@apple-on5pq]

I think they are going to release the video later in their channels, but didn't expect the whole song to be out and spread thru to youtube.

[@grahamreed8774]

So who has initiated this strike- The agents for Band-Maid and/or the Warning? I think we have been lucky with Band-Maid up to now, who seem to put the songs we like and share on their channel to enjoy. We don't know but if it had been a Band-Maid thing alone it would have just got blocked as usual. I've just thought- As a collaboration, who owns this song anyway?

[@steveherman6909]

Ideally, the musicians should own the music, but that's not the case. While a case could be made that musicians hold Intellectual Property rights to what they compose and play, copyrights are under the purview of the publishing companies. Not the folks making the music and not even the record label. Fault lays with the system and not this camp or that person.

[@bobespirit2112]

It sounds like Pony Canyon will be the Publisher as it’ll be released on Band-Maid’s album. They would surely be the ones initiating the copyright strike. The band members will share the performers royalties. The Composer royalties will depend on whether The Warning participated in developing the song or just performed their parts as written for them by Band-Maid. If they participated, then Ale, Dany & Pau will split that 50/50 with the Band-Maid members. It can get pretty complicated depending on who exactly participated in the writing and in how any band members decide to split that money. Most bands break up of money when 1 or 2 members who do most of the composition and lyric writing, and don’t let the others participate, and then take all those royalties for themselves. If a band is smart, even if 1 or 2 do the bulk of the composition and lyric writing, they ask for, and receive input from the other members (yes, even the drummer 😂), and they split all that money evenly amongst them. But they make it fair by having the members who aren’t doing as much work in composition and songwriting do more of the “other” band work - planning & scheduling rehearsals, travel planning, merchandise designs & oversight, band finances, release artwork, etc. And i think that’s exactly what Band-Maid does as we see Saiki take the lead on merchandise usually. It’s said Akane plans their rehearsals. I think Misa probably helps Kanami quite a bit with the composition and arrangements these days. And ofc Miku writes most of the lyrics but Saiki helps more nowadays. Bottom line, they try to split the overall “band” workload as much as possible, so they can split the rewards equally. The band Rush was famous for using this model and i think most recent bands have learned those lessons and why we see many bands staying together for longer periods, say than many 60’s & 70’s bands did who broke up over the money.

[@billb.5183]

You could see it said Pony Canyon when he showed the screen grab of the strike. They are usually very lenient with BAND-MAID reactions but this was an illegal recording of an unreleased song. That pissed somebody off big time.

[@ardyzink7928]

It's okay to feel insulted.

[@ericifune5543]

Dude, you are taking this too hard. Uncle Yoshi has the correct response. They obviously have a plan for marketing this new stuff. I think they just got tired of everyone, not you, bootlegging their material. Look at all the footage from Yokohama Arena that got bootlegged and posted on KZbin. By the way, I just saw Toho Studios took down a lot of reactions to "Godzilla Minus One" from KZbin yesterday as well. So it's not you.

[@djcrugby]

Sorry that happened brother. Looks like a lot of other reactors and TWA got strikes. Very ufair....

[@longcastle4863]

Here _!_ Here _!_

[@ケロ-b4b]

This was an unfortunate accident. Wave, please continue to support Band Maid. I always enjoy watching your video. I'm rooting for you. Keep up the good work! From Japan

[@2abug]

If it was blocked by Pony Canyon, maybe it was because the portion of the official BAND-MAID video you included in the middle of the fan cam video? Anyway, it really sucks. All the Japanese bands should be thankful to the reaction channels these last four years. And BAND-MAID even made a song about influencers, right? Isn’t it ironic?

[@1nonlyrawbert]

A few things: 1) Pretty sure BM and their people are the ones who didn't want their song to get out. Japan has strict rules on videos of live shows. I'm sure TW's people just had to comply. Not on the band so don't take it personal with TW. 2) the labels feel they dont need reactors to promote the art of the art is good enough. And they are good enough so they are banking on the art to reach the necessary audience when released. 3)Reality is reaction videos aren't making that much of a difference with TW success. Many people that are recommending songs keep finding old folks with small channels to get them to react. No one is aiming high. And outside of you and a few others, the videos don't contribute much to them.

[@TWICE_Queenz33]

Response to #1 BM released a 30-second teaser video showing them collaborating with The Warning

[@JK-tz6kk]

At least they know who you are directly and, perhaps, they will eventually understand yours and others motives, and ultimately embrace you by giving you an interview with the little Pigeon, or even the 1/2 Gorilla, Po! Keep your head to the skies. It's going to be great, Po! 🦍🍌

[@jimschoeff4185]

The Pentagenarian Reacts has a lot to say about this as well

[@adamyoung9132]

It's crazy how entitled some reactors have gotten. To pretend that you haven't made money off the back of Band-Maid is ridiculous. You ripped a video that you had no right to and got your hand slapped. Take the L and move on.

[@aldomacias361]

They're not entitled. They are actually helping the bands that they react to. They bring eyes to the bands and talk positively about the band to the audience most of the time, so no, they aren't entitled and deserve to be treated fairly because like it was mentioned in the video; to a lot of these channels it is their main source of income.

[@adamyoung9132]

@aldomacias361 just because they're benefiting the band doesn't mean he's not being entitled when he complains as if he has a right to post their videos without permission. The fact that he's making a living by reacting to the bands material is also a terrible argument. He should be thankful that Band-Maid is as liberal as they are with not taking videos down.

[@stephenriggs8177]

I'm really sorry about this. It doesn't make any sense. The video was great to see, I enjoyed your reaction (and Ryan's and Alan's), but we were all immediately thinking about how eager we were for an "official" release. Yesterday's video was an appetizer that made us all the more eager for dinner.

[@shirro5]

The Warning are going to continue to grow, they are young, extremely talented and smart. They don't need the buzz from this collab as much as Band-Maid do but their team were obviously proud of the work they were doing and happy to share the experience. It was an unfortunate decision to issue copyright strikes and potentially shut down channels that are one of the few ways Band-Maid is discoverable. [Edit: I edited this as it seems the rights holder had limited options via youtube to block instead of strike, and whether it makes business sense or not it is their right to stop unauthorized copies] Band-maid are a good band but practically impossible for most people to find unless they somehow pop up in the algorithm. This is a tough era for any rock band to succeed let alone a Japanese language band that doesn't have a lot of youth appeal. Any publicity, even low quality fan cams is probably a win for them. Ideally the label should have released a single and MV or at least announced them as most reactors would not have reacted to the live video if they knew an official MV was on its way.

[@kan5372]

As fans of The Warning, please refrain from making comments that undermine their dignity. It is dangerous to make assumptions. The Warning themselves would not want that. The Warning and Band-Maid respect each other and are working hard together to promote rock music. Fans should also follow that spirit and get along well. Japan welcomes The Warning.🤘

[@jimschoeff4185]

Sorry, you have to go through this. As you said, it's not the bands, it's the management, and band management is brutally greedy. They are also the main reason that these bands are not getting played on the radio. Hang tough brother, things will get better.

[@Charles-ce7ev]

IMO you did nothing wrong my friend. It's just the sad state of the music business now. Just know that if KZbin would do something stupid like remove your channel they will hear from me and I am sure all of your followers. Just hang in there and know we are here for you.

[@russellpotter7294]

It is so short sighted of companies to try and punish those who are doing no more than advertise and promote the bands. By all means if they feel they need to block a video then fine. But in the end Pony Canyon will find the universal success of their bands will suffer if people are scared of sharing unofficial videos. Short sighted and in the end will take money from their bands when people don't share reactions and music. Bad business on their part not to have an official release ready. What were they waiting for? They should know by now that fans in the West are drawn to Bands by unofficial videos and reactions. Let's face it the buzz around The Maids and The Warning just would not exist if left to official releases. Shame on them for punishing their own bands as in the long run this is what all happen.

[@TheDunadan01]

This is a Japanese company that did this to you and not The Warning and their management. Just to make that clear.

[@TheDunadan01]

Ponycanyon_CLA is the Japanese company that gave you that strike. It was not The Warning and their label. I wish you had made that clear.

[@WavePotter]

I did

[@ausoleil8269]

@@TheDunadan01 He did make it clear. You were even able to understand it through your thickly admiration clouded senses. Relax.

[@federicovilla3480]

​​@@ausoleil8269at the end of the video I still wasn't clear on who was responsible for this strike on his channel. I guess I should've paid more attention.

[@ausoleil8269]

@@federicovilla3480 To me, it was clear and stated halfway through.

[@gradyshmalady8284]

It sucks to hear you got a strike. Just remember that it was Pony Canyon and not the Maids. I'm not surprised they took it down though. The Japanese corps are known to be very litigious and uncompromising with their IP, just take a look at Nintendo. I suppose the line that was crossed was showing something new that they hadn't released officially yet. Corporations suck!!!!

[@jackelofnar]

It's really the gamble you play with Japanese bands

[@joeseconi250]

Wave I’m sorry you got a strike. You have done nothing but support this band, it’s really a shitty thing for Pony Canyon to do. I’ve had nothing but issues with them in trying to release my interview with them. Stay strong and hopefully they will get smart and support all of us trying to promote there band.

[@MaartenT]

This makes me not want to watch any more Band-Maid reactions. I know the band themselves has nothing to do with this, but I absolutely hate labels doing that stuff. Nothing wrong with trying to block videos, I know Japan has different rules for stuff like this (especially fancams), but the main reason they grew overseas is because of reaction videos and I honestly can't support labels removing fancams or reaction to non-ripped stuff (I understand removing/blocking reactions to blu-ray or DVD rips). I knew them changing to Pony Canyon was a bad thing. I am actually seriously contemplating to stop buying their stuff until they go to an other label. I should probably cancel my fanclub/prime subs as well. Good luck promoting a band that has no fans left. Honestly, all reactors should stop reacting to any Pony Canyon artist, bands would find their way to other labels over time and Pony Canyon can keep their anime driven J-Pop stuff which is clearly the only thing they care about anyway.

[@archaeopteryx981]

Sorry, but this is overreacting. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of unauthorized Band-Maid videos on KZbin, and Pony Canyon isn't taking them all down. The only one that they're concerned about is this one unreleased song from a concert in which recording was not allowed (regardless of whether the Warning crew member realized it). Pony Canyon has nothing to do with fanclub/prime, so you just want to punish the band directly.

[@billb.5183]

Pony Canyon has been very lenient with reaction channels. I guess this illegal recording was one that they weren't willing to budge on and I don't blame them.

[@MaartenT]

@@billb.5183 I get that, but the only thing the fanrecording did is making people hyped for the album. I have no issue with them trying to block the videos, I have an issue with them giving reactors a strike over it. Western reactors do more for hyping up Japanese bands in the West than most labels do. If I hadn't reluctantly seen a one of the Band-Maid reactions a couple of years ago, I wouldn't have imported over 300 physical CDs/DVDs/Blurays from Japan, I wouldn't have gotten tickets for over streamed shows and I would certainly never had gotten into a fanclub of a band I never even heard about. I get they are trying to protect the recording, but this wouldn't have impacted the official video nor the album, I would say it even brought more hype to it. They are attacking the wrong people, they should have attacked the Warnings crew member instead. But most Japanese labels just don't understand how much impact reactors can have on a market that is not really serious about expanding outside of their own country. They just don't understand why anyone would want to listen to Japanese music outside of Japan (it's very similar to the gaming industry, but they have somewhat gotten it the last couple of years). Removing stuff ripped from DVDs/Blurays/streams is one thing (I understand why they do that), striking a shitty fancam that has people hyped is an other.

[@MaartenT]

@@archaeopteryx981 This is 100% overreacting, I agree, but this is the only way to stop labels from overreacting as well. You can not imagine how happy I was when Gacharic Spin moved to Band-Maid's old label instead of Victor (who are/were worse than Pony Canyon in trying to control bands directions). Nippon Crown is a great label for bands, but they don't have the anime output obviously which helps growing in Japan. I personally prefer bands that are able to play and produce what they want and were the label tries to find fans instead of shooing them away over something petty like a fancam that doesn't hurt their bottom line whatsoever. It's more a principle issue for me than anything else.

[@billb.5183]

@@MaartenT The reason Pony Canyon handed out strikes is because it was the only way to get the videos taken down immediately. There is no "content ID" for that song on KZbin so claiming it or just blocking it wasn't an option for them yet. It's explained in the new video Wave just put up.

[@kikegavilan3873]

Sorry for your strike Wave Potter,hopefully this reaches the girls and straight things out!

[@70soperator16]

Just don't see the hype about the Warning....average at best imho

[@aldomacias361]

Your opinion sucks

[@ot9er]

You just came here to diss?

[@abuser-Milovidov]

Да не переживай ты так, чел. В России ютуб навсегда удаляет каналы с миллионами подписчиков вообще без объяснения причин, чисто по политическим мотивам. А тут ты всего лишь 1 страйк получил от лейбла))

[@chuckvelten5337]

LOVE WITH THESE LADIES DO (BAND MAID) AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST BANDS TO COME ALONG IN DECADES ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET. BUT I CAN'T STAND THE AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST BANDS TO COME ALONG IN DECADES ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET. BUT I CAN'T STOMACH THE REACTORS AND THOSE THAT RESPOND TO THEM HERE ON KZbin. THAT BLATHER ON AND ON. ABOUT HOW THEY ARE THE GREATEST THING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. IF THESE WERE FIVE GERMAN BROADS THAT WERE LIKE 6 FT TALL OVERWEIGHT AND LOADED WITH TATTOOS. WITH THE SAME EXACT MUSIC. THE FAN BASE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ONE QUARTER THE SIZE. SORRY THAT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. PEOPLE NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELVES. P.S. I USED TO LOVE WATCHING YOU AND YOUR REACTIONS. YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON POINT AND OBVIOUSLY KNOW YOUR STUFF. BUT I CAN'T STOMACH YOU ANYMORE. YOU'RE JUST AS BAD AS THE BANDBMAIDFANS THAT CHIME IN IN THESE REACTION CHANNELS ! JUST TOO MUCH AND WAY OVER THE TOP.

[@charleswharmbyiii8401]

They did not share it. It was a misguided staffer. The two bands have a right to have that music released when THEY want it done. None of this is your fault, so don't take it personally, my friend. The guy posting it is the culprit here, not you, not the bands, not the companies.

[@johnmatthew102]

Well said. Thank you.

[@Metali_dad]

I'm going to offer another view. True, it may have been a misguided staffer, but don't punish KZbinrs for YOUR staff's error. Companies are responsible for the acts of their staff. So they are indirectly responsible for the slip. The problem is not redacting the video, it's the strike. It's an overreaction and it's wrong.

[@ripmcmanus773]

And yet it puts the reactor’s channel at risk, effectively with no recourse since YT has ceased to have any humanity. Hard not to take it personally, frankly a disingenuous response I’ve heard way too often.

[@charlescoleman4017]

Perfectly stated. Sad, but it's fair.

[@AllxIxAskxOfxYou]

​@ripmcmanus773 strikes leave after 90 days and you can have up to 3 on your account. It's temporary

[@rossmudie9298]

Thats the game you're in Wave, it did comes across as very whiney, you're a fan it's not like you're a close friend.

[@dicodec]

I have a feeling that employee got in huge trouble. I am sorry Wave, this really sucks. Lesson learned, we have to be careful when grabbing footage that is claimed to be alright to post. They couldn’t do copyright yet because the song is not released. Now that I think about it after the fact, this makes sense why they stuck it. Like you said they could have blocked it instead. To me this sends a clear message that they missed out on not getting the money from it. Trust me if the song was released they would have been ok with it being up. It’s management doing their job they feel that it is them having their livelihood attacked, just like how you felt for them striking you. Remember you are about to hit 100k subs, you will be on their radar. Just be careful, only do official releases from now on until that strike is lifted.

[@Anony_MouseY]

Jumped the Shark, live and learn …

[@idatenidaten5548]

Create a second channel and inform everyone about it before your first channel gets taken down. This will help with risk diversification🤘

[@WavePotter]

Copyright strikes remove all channels under your legal name, so that wouldn’t help unfortunately.

[@idatenidaten5548]

@@WavePotter Damn! That's too much. Then you might need to create a second channel under your wife’s name if necessary…

[@PANIC_aka_PinD]

@@WavePotter Nah ... Start by making a different G act and you'll be fine. If you use the same G act then yeah.

[@geraldz2271]

I undertstand your disappointment - but who are you trying to blame? Pony Canyon, The Warning, BAND-MAID, the management of either one of the bands or a combination of them?

[@geraldz2271]

Reply to my own comment. Just spent some time on Reddit. It seems that the fancam vid was done by someone whose Instagram is associated with The Warning. Will not name the person (easy to find) but the questions I have would be - why did this person film and who knew about it?

[@RyanMear]

Sorry man. I've gotten a strike from PC too. It was awhile ago, but it happened. It's a gut punch when you clearly love the band and support them continuously. It's a knee jerk reaction by someone. That live seemed like a sky way to promote the show, but apparently it wasn't supposed to go up. Somebody f***ed up bad.

[@ricardo__jr]

I'm sorry about the strike, but I think you got a strike because it's an unreleased song. I think things got tough between Band-Maid management and The Warning management because of the leak. The video was also on The Warning Army channel and was deleted. The next two programs were recorded and are on the channel. I don't know if it was recorded by someone on the TW team. It seems to me that it was secretly recorded by a fan, who sent it to the TWA channel.

[@threemonkeysk]

The thing is at Japanese concerts they don't allow cameras or phone recordings it's part of the music culture. I can see why they do what they did, there's probably an MV in the offing and Pony Canyon leapt on it maybe a bit to harshly, but It's only 1 strike, I've had loads of strikes they go away after a while. Re Baby Metal loads of tubers have had blocks and strikes on their channels. Japanese media management is fierce when it comes to tubers putting up pirated / illegal content. You're lucky "Baka Broadcast" lost his channel overnight to a 3 strike out from don't quote me on this but I think it was One ok Rock and he was the first ever reactor to do EVERY BAND-MAID song on his channel so Imagine losing all that.

[@SaraLarios]

The only official things are in the official channel of the band, a release from any other member of the staff is in their name, not the band, so don't blame the staff member, just be careful to not fall in a strike the next 3 months to have that one strike deleted.

[@hiawatha.g]

Not sure how you would do it but I imagine there is a way to protest the strike. If you explain it to them the way you did to us, ie., that it appeared to be an authorized post, they might remove the strike. This happened to a lot of other reactors.

[@mightydegu]

Just so this is out there, it wasn't Band-Maid or Platinum Passport (Band-Maid's agency). This was from the record label. It seems heavy-handed, but their options are limited in situations like this. It's possible that they may even be willing to drop the strike as long as the unauthorized video is gone. Obviously the Warning staff member shouldn't have pisted the cam footage (although selfishly I'm glad I got to see it and save it). Anyway, Wave, just ride it out. Your channel will be fine.

[@SoryIrippedUrHeart]

🥲 it's pony canyon strike it

[@ronrestorff4548]

The other side of the coin is they are the ones that have created the material, they own the copyright, and they have control over how it's used. So, any video that you react to, you are stealing the work of others to line your pockets either financially or intellectually. You are the same as all the people that want to book a band for free and "you will get great word of mouth". Radio stations and Spotify pay a royalty albeit small for the playing of copyrighted material. There are plenty of reactors that rarely get anything blocked with a much larger viewership. My guess is that they get permission first. So yes, you are whining, and like many people doing the same you don't want to do the work. You want the hard work of others to subsidize your hobby.

[@johnager6226]

❤✌🤘⚡🔥

[@sloan495]

Surely the girls had nothing to do with this. That would be heartbreaking.

[@billb.5183]

I highly doubt that the maids had anything to do with it. That's a publisher decision all the way.

[@ianloi2001]

Sorry to hear about that Wave. Really a bummer to get a copyright strike for it. Hope everything will be better. Stay strong Wave!

[@PANIC_aka_PinD]

PONYCANYON claimed it Wave. Sorry about your strike :( . I've lost several entire channels ... It has always been RIAJ with me. Lets be honest ... KZbin does not really care about creators, or users. It only cares about big commercial accounts.

[@RogerChance5309]

Pony Canyon is striking reactions to ‘Hate’ as well! 🍺😠

[@WavePotter]

What?? Which version??

[@RogerChance5309]

@@WavePotter Not sure which version. MJLimey lost his channel and he said it was pony canyon on his ‘Hate’ reaction

[@RogerChance5309]

@@WavePotter Shane Alan Gower reaction to Shambles he talks about it.

[@brunobryant4846]

Fark what's going on with Pony Canyon, it's been YT reactions that have spread the word, ride it out Wave and Roger keep on spreading the word.

[@davidpinney4091]

There’s been two that were struck. Both say it was probably because they tried to monetize the videos and that they probably missed the 7 day window to remove the vid before receiving the strike.

[@bobmorr2892]

I see there are still some reactions with the video up on KZbin Thursday 5:00 a.m. Pacific time.