WHY BATWOMAN SEASON 2 WILL FAIL

[@kommissar.murphy]

After Gotham, Batwoman and the Joker movie, how about a batman show that has batman in it?

[@robanator9083]

We already have 3 Batmen said to run around in the movies, adding a 4th current live action Batman will be just chaos

[@Hynotama]

Maybe not. Nobody wants woke Batman.

[@dayksteveforrealz4038]

I think 2020-2022 or 2021 won’t have batman in some of its titles because he’s been all over the media like put his brand down for a minute but they do have the Batman actor ready

[@Hynotama]

@WhoDarestheMAN gamer I wasn't implying she's a Batman ripoff, though let's face it she is. I was implying that these television networks are run by woke morons who will ruin a potential Batman show because they just can't help themselves. Comes with the brain rot that is wokeness.

[@luisrobles422]

Don't forget Pennyworth!

[@Vito-jr9wl]

The best way to include characters belonging to a racial and/or sexual minority is to not make it their main defining character trait. Instead it is better to not make to big of a deal about it. This is a good way to normalize it. Characters belonging to the "normal group", so the majority, dont have to emphasize their belonging in the first place.

[@yo-yw3xs]

Yeah but they have to explain how she was white in the first season, and now shes black

[@randallflagg3700]

To compare it to another DC live action show, I believe that why *Gotham* did a great job with its LGBT charas. Oswald Cobblepot was a great character, who just happened to be bisexual (or gay, but since he had a crush on Sofia Falcone, I'm not sure he's 100% that way), and it didn't matter until it became a plot point in season 3... And after that arc was over, there weren't any more nods to his sexuality. Perfect example of a non-cis character whose sexuality isn't their principal trait. *Gotham* also had bisexual women in Barbara Gordon, and Tabitha "Tigress" Galavan, and _possibly_ a gay Victor Zsasz (I'm reaching a bit for this one, since I base it just on his comment about letting Alvarez pat him down because he's handsome ^^) and they well all good representation IMHO *Batwoman* in comparison was so out-of-touch and ham-fisted with its LGBT charas, despite being an openly lesbian friendly show, it just appeared outdated and awkward when the charas discuss sex-related stuff.

[@WitchLunaEstrella]

I feel like if one of the first descriptions of your character is "likable" then you're off to a bad start. You shouldn't have to tell people that a character is likable, you should just write them and describe them in a way that's endearing or relatable. Also it tells the potential actors absolutely nothing about how to play them. People like other people for a lot of different reasons. It could mean pretty much anything, so it doesn't really help the performer to know what kind of person this character is.

[@randomnerd3402]

You have to show that their likable through their actions. Visual storytelling is a very important part when it comes to making movies

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

How to set up season 2; 1. Introduce Batman - older Bruce Wayne (like in batman beyond) 2. Explain what happened to Ruby Rose Batwoman (retired or injury - maybe have her take up the mantle of oracle) 3. Introduce a female protagonist from the DC comics to take up the mantle of Batwoman. 4. Have Bruce Wayne be a mentor figure for new Batwoman. 5. Mary takes up the similar role of Leslie Maurin Thompkins, Luke takes up the similar role of Lucius Fox, Sophie takes up the similar role of Amanda Waller, Jacob Kane takes up the similar role of Commissioner Gordon. 6. Have Alice killed off.

[@Shiirow]

"Im not gonna let a man take credit for a womans work" - Says the woman who pretty much stole Batmans identity, costume and cave, essentially a woman taking credit for a mans work. "the suits literally perfection." "It will be... when it fits a woman" - sheer fucking hubris... Batman killed the joker, mentally broken and ran away from gotham. Batwoman kills everyone under the sun, feels no remorse or has a short 1/3 of an episode pity party before being good by the next episode. Bruce, trained martial artist in severl forms of combat, literally one of the smartest men in the DC universe and one of the top detectives. Kate, went to boot camp.... somehow solves a case that even Bruce couldnt, without breaking a sweat. Kate, a tiny woman who can fell even the largest henchman, not with agility or guile, she just pops him in the jaw and he goes down like a sack of potatoes. Kate Smash!! She is also somehow indestructible, can be shot, fall off buildings and hit by massive trucks then just bounce back to dust herself off. oh yeah its "the suit", riiiiiight, but still doesnt explain how this happens when she isnt in the suit. Batwoman, a masked vigilante who is illegally fighting crime, takes time out of her schedule to do a photo shoot for a major magazine and tell everyones she is a lesbian because someone shipped her with a male cop. since thats much more important than you know, fighting crime. Batwoman, lets multiple criminals go free, one because she was a LGBTQ+ person and we all know they _cant_ be criminals, yo, and the another was her sister, who later went on to murder, maim and mutilate multiple people on several occassions. Those are all on the writers, not Ruby Rose the Jonathan Crane impersonator. So I expect all these same issues to end up arising even with the new browner and gayer Batwoman.

[@commandershepaaarrrdwrex2881]

Anything i could of said is right here in this well crafted comment, thanks

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

They really blew the chance to make her more independent. The first mistake was setting it in Gotham City. They should've given her a city of her own, even "Supergirl" got that right.

[@wayneebrilliant]

Oh and you forgot that even though the suit is "indestructible" Kate could still get knocked out by Alice with a musical instrument. 😂

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@wayneebrilliant Nothing is musical instrument proof. That's why musicians are so tough.

[@yo-yw3xs]

Also when they say the only thing that can kill her is kryptonite. I was like "WRONG HERO PEOPLE"

[@41dn]

Considering everyone hates the show and their lead has left, what would the point in continuing it be? Does it even make that much money?

[@mrfeelgoodful]

It's not about the money... it's about sending a message.

[@Galvatronover]

In a wrong way

[@randomnerd3402]

It's doing terrible in ratings, so I think it's obvious that they're not there for the money

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

social engeneering.

[@delycan4912]

Everybody doesnt hate it. Try hanging out with more then one type of person

[@JPPW1982]

Cassandra Kane being mentored by a recently paralyzed Barbra Gordon. Boom there's you show. Now why is that so hard for the show runners?

[@derickadjei9849]

That would be fun to watch, but it wouldn't completely make sense for two reasons 1. Barbara would be paralyzed and she wouldn't really be able to teach her anything besides from hacking 2. Cassandra Cain is a trained assassin so she doesn't really have learn anything since she can kick the ass of a man who is ten times bigger than her without breaking a sweat.

[@JPPW1982]

I have boxes full of comics thank you very much.

[@JPPW1982]

People like you make us comic readers look bad.

[@JPPW1982]

Yeah I've been collecting comics books since I was 9. Still reading them to this day not quite casual. Toxic people like you or what give comic book readers a bad name and are why we're looked down upon.

[@JPPW1982]

How about you go learn some manners then. Might benefit you out in public sometime.

[@corey62474]

I wish they had went with the mystery of batwoman story

[@jonathanelvey2444]

Yep I would continue watching it if Kathy Duquesne was the one to take kate Kane's place but now we got...some character name Ryan.....*checks back at the comics and dc comics history. Who the fuck is Ryan cw the fuck is wrong with you cw no where in the world batman is there a chick name Ryan as batwoman

[@gizmomac1520]

@@jonathanelvey2444 it's not even DC universe canon. Javicia would have been a great Kathleen Duquesene! But because Kathleen was straight in the films? But remember, the actor is bi and they could always make Kathleen bi, to be more flexible imo.

[@guillermoperalta6659]

Whomever is in charge of DC, suck balls. With Batman , they never go dark, they reveal the identities to everyone, they focus in action rather than strategy and brains, is like they never read the comic, fucking mess. They change the story which destroys the character and makes the Batman flaw. Bad.

[@Zevave]

Guillermo Peralta First of all this is Batwomen not Batman. Batwomen was completely dark and everything was great in Season 1. Season 2 is when everyone fits there roles. The real reason ruby left was the hate she was getting from the people that hate the show.

[@bootymuncherwebb7045]

ROBNIN what on earth are you doing? Well Bruce you never known my full potential But robin I raised you from a child Raaaa batman I'm gonna shove the batclaw up my ass Noooooo robins stop your family loves you *starts dry humping his leg*

[@markmagician2471]

They could've used Helena from the Arrowverse

[@CaptainTae]

Another Bat-female: Stephanie Brown

[@marwanali4878]

Please no , CW will fuck up Stephanie. Also I'd rather she start as Spoiler and have Cassandra Cain as orphan and then one becomes Batgirl while the other becomes Robin

[@CaptainTae]

@@marwanali4878 I agree with all of that. I just don't want people to forget about her. I hated her as a character at first. But she grew into a character I loved.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

"No matter if you like Girls, Boys, or unmentionables." So....C'thulu?

[@Skymoc4]

*_Astolfo?_*

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@Skymoc4 VOLDERMORT

[@ambition6033]

Last time I was this early , this was just a wrestling channel

[@thekornreeper]

Hehe

[@bootymuncherwebb7045]

ROBNIN what on earth are you doing? Well Bruce you never known my full potential But robin I raised you from a child Raaaa batman I'm gonna shove the batclaw up my ass Noooooo robins stop your family loves you *starts dry humping his leg*

[@LegoCityFilms]

How'd you put the check in your name?

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

Huntress would be interesting but they already did Huntress on "Arrow" so it would either have to be a different character or they would have to work up a way to get that one to work.

[@xanderm6090]

That's why Helena Wayne was probably the better suggestion. Not to mention, the pattern on Kate's suit is associated with her only familial connection so Helena is frankly the only one with any right to wear it.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@xanderm6090 Is she even a character anymore? I mean outside of New 52 Earth 2 comics?

[@SethColby69]

when batwomen said the line in the trainer " i'm not gonna let a man take credit for a women's work" that whole line just made me not gonna watch the show because to me it would feel like someone is trying to push a point about feminism rather than focusing on saving the world

[@randomnerd3402]

Same, that line was atrocious

[@Actionfan19]

For me it was the dialog The suit is literal perfection then Kate says It will be.....when it fits a woman. That was apex cringe for me.

[@pikapal91]

I gave the show 4 episodes. It was painfully boring.

[@kenhillmusic]

Yeah that's the whole show

[@b_side8669]

Ok so.......season 2 is green lit that’s pretty much it end of story ain’t gonna be a season 3 ,4,5 etc NO! . They try to make super hero shows on the CW hmm only good ones in my opinion that lasted a very long time but not without some issues was obviously smallville & arrow nothing will compete with those shows because they were good . I wanted to like this show but 🤷🏻‍♂️ just how the plot was Idk . it’s a shame that birds of prey wasn’t good because that show had some potential . but sadly this show was D.O.A before ever airing

[@jasminec.1942]

CW: Ok so you're going to die Me: But I'm gay CW:Understandable have a nice day.

[@Tom-py8ym]

Underrated

[@FernandoSanchez-yx2jf]

Ok boomer

[@kocoluchea]

There actually is a reference to scarecrow. Cartwright mentions a particular colleague when he uses fear gas on mouse and alice.

[@inebriationconversation4526]

Theres also the fact thay "FEAR GAS" is emblazened on the side of the canister

[@wbcc3388]

Scarecrow is in Gotham, so if Gotham and Batwoman are in the same universe that is a mention, kind of. I don't know if They are in the same universe or not.

[@anakinflair]

They also used Fear Gas in Arkham during Elsworlds.

[@christopherballero866]

They know that Batman has canonically died hundreds of times possibly thousands when Joker got 5th dimension powers. Superman has died seemingly at least 10 times. Just about every Robin has died at least once in one version or another.

[@randomnerd3402]

Even Dick Grayson can't avoid a comic death

[@trilobitose]

Batgirl Cassandra Cain died like 3 times in her own comic book

[@randomnerd3402]

@@trilobitose that's comics for ya

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@randomnerd3402 Jason Todd got punched back into life

[@randomnerd3402]

@@l0sts0ul89 lol seriously?

[@autobotproductions1244]

I think using Huntress could work since she already exists in the Arrowverse. Her becoming a hero could be something of a redemption arc for her

[@greyworld6242]

You could say they kinda wanted to make her like Jason Todd in a way. “Lesbians dying in cinima” is that really a trope that’s an issue? Also they really should’ve just killed the character off instead cause how exactly are they going “bring her back” when she’s found? I doubt that they could just find another actor who looks like ruby Rose and pass it off as something they planned in advance which they obviously did not. Basically they shoot themselves in the foot on purpose and are failing to look smart about it like they knew what they were doing. Just my opinion.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

Yesn it's called Bury Your Gays.

[@yeetthefeet2504]

Eh, sometimes. A fair amount of shows or movies will kill off gay characters out of nowhere.

[@A16AdamWalker]

06:15 - "I'm sorry but spoiler alert here, Everybody Dies" "I'm gonna take my time, Everybody Dies...and I'm the man, the one to make you, fall in line... this killers come to life and... Everybody Dies!" I now expect to see Jake Roberts appear as Scarecrow in the new season.

[@randomnerd3402]

Jake The Snake as Scarecrow would actually be pretty cool, but if it's in the batwoman show it'll most likely be bad. Yes I know the Jake Robert's thing is a joke

[@DavidCEberhartII]

Spoiler: Gotham curse; all bat family has gone missing. We find out in season 3 that they have all been captured by aliens and we get to see the entire bat family. Sadly since this show will be cancelled in season 2 the final season 3 wrap up will have to be animated. (LOL)

[@jeanetteblankenship6107]

Mary Elizabeth (her step sister) should the new Batwoman. You can keep the same cast, keep the story going and I like her. The actress is adorable

[@strugglesnuggledslime7040]

No no no no no. Her real sister should become Batwoman. Hell I would even watch that clusterfuck.

[@Ghghost43]

@@strugglesnuggledslime7040 alice as batwoman sounds both hilarious and terribly great. Nobody expects a bat to stab them

[@LilCyco223]

Isn't Mary Elizabeth her HALF-sister? They have the same dad, I thought.

[@catspaw3092]

I love Stephanie's hair it's wavy, bouncy & curly.

[@Dim4323]

Simply the ultimate warrior would saying "Querring dosnt make the world work"

[@rodericktrinity4708]

Scarecrow was alluded to in the first crossover that Batwoman was in ( her introduction to the arrowverse). Barry & Oliver are effected by his fear toxin and begin hallucinating while in Arkham.

[@perseusbolt3591]

No wait, her name is Ruby Rose? Like from RWBY? That’s cool.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

It is kinda funny. The one from RWBY would make a much better Batwoman.

[@DavidCEberhartII]

Your Barbra Gordon comment is how they handled Batman's disappearance in the Harley Quinn Cartoon. Barbara has to take up the mantle as Bruce is badly injured.

[@dansgaming2064]

The Elseworlds Crossover had a reference to Scarecrow when Oliver and Barry were hallucinating. Also, who did the Joker voice at the end?

[@randomnerd3402]

Might've been the same guy who does the Hulk Hogan and Macho Man voice in the end of wrestling videos

[@ToonamiT0M]

Great video. Every suggestion was infinitely better than what the actual people working on the show could come up with.

[@LBcrimson]

While I was worried about your Batwoman videos it's clear you know what you're talking about and have a lot of insight that isn't just eye roll strawman takes.

[@randomnerd3402]

It's nice to see a different take on it like vee's

[@Name-ru3di]

As someone who is gay, I really like and respect your view. I really dislike it when media all but waves a pride falg 24/7 and claims that is some forward thinking character. Sure people are gay, equal rights are an issue that still persists. There are other aspects to a person other than being 'gay'.

[@davidpar2]

Because it’s based primarily on virtue signaling and “social justice” and not on production quality/plot development, just like the first season

[@evolvedcopper2205]

"Unmentionables" 😂😂

[@99jmaster]

Hey Vee Sacercrow has been established before in the crossover that introduced that woman he was in Arkham and Green Arrow and the Flash were affected by his fear Toxin and Batwoman stop them from killing each other and sprayed the antidote on them because Supergirl was off somewhere else so she couldn't stop them.

[@themetallicblur1315]

The thing is, this show actually works better as a Red Robin show than a Batwoman show. I mean, the idea that Bruce Wayne isn't around in Gotham is basically the reason Tim Drake becomes Red Robin.

[@MrBird2007]

Clips from Batman Vengeance nice

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

They likely cannot do Helena Bertinelli since she's been in Arrow's early seasons and this show takes place in the same Earth as Arrow. She was played by actress Jessica Gouw.

[@seventhshin0bi864]

I really want to see a Scarecrow story done right at some point in the future.

[@acecashman1237]

Scarecrow's fear toxin appeared in the Elseworlds crossover and caused Flash and Green Arrow to fight each other because they were hallucinating

[@jasoningramx3731]

I completely agree with this dude and when he was naming all of those characters that could better replace Kate Kane I thought of a really cool idea for the CW. What if they made a Gotham knights show and every new season is a self contained story following a different hero of Gotham or the bat family like the first season was batwoman, the second season could follow batwing, another season follows the huntress, then Cassandra Cain, then, Renee Montoya etc and it goes on. This way they don't necessarily have to recast or replace batwoman just go on to the next hero .

[@Mecharnie_Dobbs]

But right from the start, the show runners wanted an original character. They wanted "Female Bruce Wayne." Whatever name they give the character, it will end up being an original character, because that's how their writers operate. They're finally being honest about it. Good.

[@tiegomokoena2252]

A Gotham Knight show I was thinking the same thing just a few weeks ago

[@geekinformation2687]

Scarecrows fear toxin was shown in the elseworlds crossover

[@l_boy3905]

Batman MISSING Batwoman MISSING OTHER FUCKING BAT FAMILY MEMBERS MIGHT NOT EXIST

[@kingspydamann1]

5:06 Fear gas appears in Elseworlds

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Elseworlds* When Flash and Green Arrow swapped lifes.

[@kingspydamann1]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 yea thanks lol finna fix tht

[@RobTheSeer]

In a shared universe, i.e. her and SG being fast friends, Kate's disappearing wouldn't go unnoticed.

[@mobice69]

The Scarecrow was mentioned and had his fear gas in Elseworlds.

[@Zapatozi]

Season 1 has already failed. What do you expect from season 2? xD

[@Lexiplus-s4m]

More failed

[@upintheairstudio]

As a writer myself I absolutely agree with you're arguments. These idiots clearly have no idea with what they're doing and season 2 will be an unfettered, unqualified bloody disaster.

[@manshamishra]

15:50 - "I don't ever wanna dislike anything Bat-related" Covid 19 be like: "Ohmigosh- you like me?! I like you too! 🥰🥺🥰"

[@joeker5208]

Huntress was already in Arrow

[@j-money2295]

Your point is?

[@joeker5208]

@@j-money2295 she had a whole character ark, retired, and has no ties to this version of Batman

[@j-money2295]

Michael Madness It still could work

[@joshuavis2736]

I mean scarecrow was mentioned in elseworlds with the fear gas

[@albion65]

One thing that really makes the producers defense of the not killing off Kate as "we're not fridging the gay character" fall apart is that they aren't replacing her with a non gay character. That cliche, which dates back to roughly the 1950's with films like SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER and LAURA, was based on the idea that the gay character had to be killed so that the "natural order" of heterosexuality could be maintained. It's clearly a slur on the LGBTQ community, but it fails as an argument against killing Kate off because, as I mentioned, no one has accused the showrunners of replacing her with a straight character. Everyone knows that this mysterious "Ryan Wilder" is going to be a gay character, and nothing has been said to make us think otherwise. It's a truly baffling argument to make when really they should be coming up with a better argument as to why they aren't doing the most logical thing and JUST RECAST THE CHARACTER! The audience is not stupid we would accept a new actress as Kate a hell of a lot easier than this convoluted mess of introducing a completely made up for the show character we know nothing about and have no reason to care about.

[@PhillipOnTakos]

I'm not even a fan of the show but the drama between Kate Alice and there father particular her father Jacob was the best part of the show and really what season 1 felt like it was building up to a big confrontation between the three. Now they can't do that. I really don't think any of the shows actual fans will stick with it now cause the show is essentially rebooting itself. I might watch it just for a laugh.

[@randomnerd3402]

Being the best part of the show isn't much to brag about

[@yo-yw3xs]

The main problem with the change and the new OC character is this: the two main plot lines that had meaning: alice (HER SISTER) wants to kill her, hush became like bruce wayne (HER COUSIN) and the crow head chief (HER FATHER) wants to kill batwoman. All of this is connected to her by family is now ruined because its not kate kein. Imagine this: at some point the crow chief gets the upper hand on batwoman, he wants to know who she is before he kills her, he takes of the mask and he realising the woman he was out for, the woman he wants to kill is HIS DAUGHTER. The whole plot had meaning because it was family. Now that they making an OC character it doesn't interesting anymore

[@chanceneck8072]

Very well phrased!

[@captassassin5680]

How did you get Mark Hamill to voice Joker for that outro? If that isn’t, then he’s dead on!

[@dylanbeebehive2024]

Scarecrow was shown to be in this universe via his Fear Toxin

[@Shiirow]

makes sense, Ruby Rose kinda looked like Jonathan Crane from Batman TAS.

[@shiguy223]

Skip Crow was mentioned in the arrow verse... The Flash and green arrow were dosed with Fear toxin from When the Flash missed his target...

[@TONYGILLEY]

Scarecrow's toxin was used in the 3-part Arrowverse crossover Elseworlds. It was also used in a Batwoman episode near the midpoint of the season. Helena Bertinelli exists in the Arrowverse and at least from what I can remember is in prison after a skirmish she had with Green Arrow, unless Oliver Queen managed to "fix" that little detail when he died during Crisis and was rewriting aspects of his show's history. As far as what's next, this shows doomed to fail simply by way of its "creative" team's ineptitude at crafting a simple coherent story is still in charge and Greg Berlanti's determination to double down on his moronic ideological politics. Recasting a new lead/original character is basically trying to stop a gushing stab or bullet wound with a band-aid.

[@5pid3rman80]

Whoa... BoP definitely did not execute an accurate representation of the canon Cassandra Cain!!😮😮

[@danicleckley5404]

I don't think the writers understood or really read the source material.

[@JuggyBohab]

so batwoman is going to just 'go missing' like batman did? real fucking creative guys...

[@thetwelfthdoctor9892]

and you know that some newspapers criticized Batman because he left, right? I bet there won't be any newspapers criticizing Batwoman for leaving.

[@markmagician2471]

I only knew Batwoman from the movie Batman:Bad Blood

[@randomnerd3402]

That's where I learned of her too. Then I looked her up more and her character definitely has the potential to be interesting in a TV show

[@Invisibleghost2023]

Love it Vee

[@bloodblues85]

Great video!

[@joeker5208]

Also did Vee really use clips from Batman Dark Tomorrow

[@fullweezy3553]

Good eye yes he did that game was under rated for it's time

[@pepefrg916]

In the comics Batwoman did replace Batman for a year, the storyline is called 52, this is her debut in that continuity

[@TheJakeSeale]

Scarecrow was referenced in elseworlds with the fear toxin being shown in Arkham lockup, but I think that’s about it

[@Pulsarnix]

Scarecrow's fear toxin was used on Mouse, but I think that's it

[@familyfirstnation4605]

Everything u said in this is pure facts

[@cobra8888]

16:03 freaked me out for a bit. Cause for a moment i thought someone took a picture of my bookshelf. And yes....mostly Batman stuff. Oh and you are missing the important Batman book...."Batman and Psychology". Cause what book that doesn't talk about Batman if not a book dedicated to dissecting his mind and personality. To further learn about him.

[@shigmag4272]

I´d say, that Sara and Ava from Legends of tomorrow are way better representations then batwoman.

[@Rebazar]

I didn't know there was a season 1

[@BigBoiBradyn]

When I started watching the arrow verse shows, I knew that one day they'd make a show about Batman or one of his companions, and I was really hoping for a Nightwing show

[@fleuttre4510]

Better yet red hood

[@ystin]

the insane thing is they do have an in series reason to change kate kanes face and they are ignoring it. its crazy

[@bbworks159]

My favorite character was Alice and her relationship with Kate. What do they do with her now?

[@THEFLAPJACKMASTER]

Just nitpicking, but Scarecrow has actually been referenced in the Arrowverse previously, in the Elseworlds crossover, when his fear gas shows up during the Arkham Asylum breakout sequence

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

How to solve the representation problem (how to distinguish good from bad in other words): Don't talk about it. If a showrunner/movie or game producer talks about the representation in their products it most likely means they just put it in for good press. That they don't actually care about represantation. And in these scenarios they treat their minority characters as symbols and aren't allowing them to grow as characters. Jessica Jones has some of the best representation. Because it never called attention to the minorities most of its characters represented.

[@warpeace4058]

She got her combat training from the Matt Foley Martial Arts Academy!!

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

Where are those Cassandra Cain clips from?

[@marwanali4878]

Young Justice

[@nzoghepierre-kamille8494]

To have! Because if it is! I hope this time if the Fans are going to mobilize this in order to propose an annex series. With a synopsis and characters who are consistent

[@jacobpolitis2290]

Helena Bertinelli was already on arrow

[@Thebian100]

Simply recasting the role would have been the best way to go. The fans would understand. I have no interest in a new Batwoman. Why can't the CW refrain from fucking up the DC properties.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Heck why not let Alice's actress do also Kate since both are supposed to be twins in the comics...

[@decirto6454]

10:20 LITERALLY THE FIRST PERSON I SAID WAS HUNTRESS, THEN I WAS LIKE “Nahhh, cause we already had Helena Berteneli” BUT YOOO, SAME WAVELENGTH!!!

[@TheLonelySoulja]

The only representation that should be on screen is the correct one that a character is based from, which this show doesn’t do

[@nole8146]

So no one couldn't use Mystery of the Batwoman characters?

[@stingrey1571]

WB/DC are very protective of batman. im guessing greg berlanti was given of list of bat characters he could use and ones which were off limits. this is probably why batgirl, huntress, renee montoya, and cassandra cain werent used. also all of which were recently used in a movie or has movie in development.

[@Tenchi212]

Now that's a hell of an idea. Renea Montoya becoming a Batwoman, i would watch the shit out of that. One of the few characters i wanted to see more of in BTAS.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

And now they confirmed they're bringing in Renee Montoya for Season 3, played by... the same actress that played Montoya on the Gotham show

[@KManXPressTheU]

Seriously, Ruby Rose NAILED that part;Can her replacement do better? We shall see.

[@kevin10001]

To me a big factor of this season or the dc shows not being as good has a lot to do with them doing crisis on infinite earths as the crossover cause after it ended the shows did episodes that pretty much made them halt the shows seasonal plot and deal with versions of characters that shouldn't exist cause of being from earths that didn't survive the crossover and one major plot hole of season one was not explaining what happened to Bruce that made him leave Gotham cause it doesn't sound in character to just up a leave Gotham for no reason cause of being batman being so important to Bruce what most people don't know about batwoman is that Katherine Kane original reason for existing when she first appeared in the comics all the way back in issues #233 in July of 1956 was to be a love interest for Bruce to try and stop the batman and robin are gay lovers thing but she was forgotten about once batgirl was created but she still would get appearances from time to time over the years and not all appearances of batgirl she has been a red head out of the suit cause u showed the version of Barbra from the 3rd season of the 1966 batman series Yvonne Craig wasn't a red head she used a red wig in suit to better hide her identity another big season one issue that ruby eluted to was thdm not stressing hard enough for her to let them use her stunt woman cause we have heard about ruby getting hurt so bad doing a stunt that if she moved the wrong way she would wind paralyzed overall the first season wasn't that bad it just had few hiccups and some bad execution of the writing and the taking one aspect of a character and making it the major focus of the character is an overall arrowverse problem not just a batwoman problem

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

I think that if they had chosen a pre-existing character to replace Kate, fans would've complained too. For example, "Why are you making Helena become Batwoman?! That goes against the comics! Because of this, we won't have Huntress in this universe!"

[@thetwelfthdoctor9892]

I mean, everything in the show already goes against the comics: Kate's background is completely different, the reason she becomes batwoman is different and the way she get her gadgets is different. If she wasn't called "Kate Kane", it would have been a completely different character...

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

Helena is already in the Arrowverse, as she was in the first season of Arrow.

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

@@DrGregoryHouseIT Ah, really? I mentioned her because she was listed as a candidate.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

15:11 And you just summed up the writing of Batwoman and a bunch of other CW shows.

[@jamesthompson3023]

this show was doomed from the start

[@wolfgang6442]

Yep

[@jeremiahnsube372]

*No no not Cassandra Cain!!! ANYONE BUT HER!!!* I do think that she'd be a good fit for this show and it'd be easy to introduce her imo with her walking into Gotham as she has a flashback to a scene reenacting the panel where she says she's loyal to the Bat and not Bruce to establish her history with Bruce and the City, but I love her too much and dread to think what the CW would do to her. (;ŏ﹏ŏ)

[@rogvortex58]

I stood by the show as long as I could. But if they can’t understand that Batwoman is Kate Kane’s story, and end up replacing her with some random newbie OC character, then I am done watching. They should have just recast her and continued with the story they started. But nooo. Worst decision ever.

[@Shiirow]

Ruby wasnt gay enough, and Kate wasnt brown enought...

[@Pulsarnix]

While they could have used characters from the comics, which was probably the better route to go, having an original character means they can do whatever they want with her without worrying about the character's comic book back story

[@chrischam4359]

Nah u articulated it well

[@KumiChan2004]

What they could have done is even have Ruby take on a smaller and lighter role as Kate. Introduce the new Batwoman with Kate training and mentoring them. But maybe Ruby didn't want to do this, for person reasons or otherwise. Or they didn't like this idea. Or it came down to the green.

[@burnsvillebatman]

If only Kevin Conroy was younger, he would probably play Batman in a live action show or movie, but his voice alone is enough.

[@monoveloso]

In my wet dreams we get a The Spoiler series, on which they just say-Yeah batmans dead- and it's just Tim Drake putting up holograms of bats

[@pranealmistry8977]

Scarecrow's fear toxin was used in the Elseworlds crossover. Unfortunately, the show slowly started to get better throughout the season, so it's a shame for the story to take a massive turn like this. Hopefully, Kate Kane is just going missing to give them more time to find a suitable replacement for Ruby.