Why Britain Imports American Problems

💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Tomiwa Owolade is the author of ‘This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter’, a book which was chosen as a non-fiction highlight of 2023 in The Times, Guardian, Observer, Irish Times and New Statesman. The book is available here: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1838956212/
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00:00 Intro
01:49 Tomiwa’s Background
03:34 The Stifling Orthodoxy in Academia
08:00 Why Do We Pretend the UK is a Nation of Immigrants?
16:30 Biggest Differences in Racism Between UK & America
20:53 Sponsor Message: ExpressVPN
22:45 Being Optimistic About the Achievements of Ethnic Minorities
26:45 Why Are West African Communities Outperforming Other Groups?
30:30 Who is at Fault for a Child Getting Expelled?
34:08 Are Black Commentators Representative of the Average Black Person?
41:54 Sponsor Message: Manscaped
43:16 Why Are Black Conservatives Labelled Race Traitors?
44:14 Ignorance of Britain’s Real Slavery History
52:20 Tomiwa’s Message to Ethnic Minority Young People
54:41 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?

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WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Tomiwa* answers audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Intro 01:49 Tomiwa’s Background 03:34 The Stifling Orthodoxy in Academia 08:00 Why Do We Pretend the UK is a Nation of Immigrants? 16:30 Biggest Differences in Racism Between UK & America 20:53 Sponsor Message: ExpressVPN 22:45 Being Optimistic About the Achievements of Ethnic Minorities 26:45 Why Are West African Communities Outperforming Other Groups? 30:30 Who is at Fault for a Child Getting Expelled? 34:08 Are Black Commentators Representative of the Average Black Person? 41:54 Sponsor Message: Manscaped 43:16 Why Are Black Conservatives Labelled Race Traitors? 44:14 Ignorance of Britain’s Real Slavery History 52:20 Tomiwa’s Message to Ethnic Minority Young People 54:41 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?

[@journeyintococo6996]

Britain also imports America's "lower than 6th-grade level" literacy.

[@jhitchcock5503]

You boys seemed stunned when he brought up the Viagra use of young men. It is a serious and growing health problem: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10237207/

[@eve3363]

This man is not a sociologist, anthropologist, or linguist. He has not studied any social science whatsoever. The only subject this man is qualified to critique literature. It's so sad what this world has come to. Unqualified people critiquing subjects they have no idea about but they get the attention simply because the host and the guest have similar interests. What happened to ethics?

[@safuwanfauzi5014]

Wow, is that 'Monstera Delicia" plant at the background, it everywhere.

[@roboi2241]

As a British national of mixed heritage I still want to know how we allowed an isolated incident of US police brutality to be used as a catalyst for some pretty loathsome individuals to unite into a quasi-hate group masquerading as a civil rights one. I knew those people were out but we allowed some incident in the US to be blown out of proportion and for those opportunists to openly display their venom and gain political validation.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

Yeah, same in France.

[@just_another32]

some of them aren't loathsome - some are just silly and misled. I am also frustrated. Not in the habit of stating my racial heritage but also mixed. 🙂

[@beno8983]

Social media company’s. We all consume and are susceptible to whatever bias is being given to certain stories and narratives. During the pandemic we were all stuck inside with only the internet, we had no other view of the world so what was reported on and gained traction through social networks became the dominant narrative. Combined with the feeling of being trapped. Young people stuck in small apartments for 2 months, the fear and further social conditioning people were subjected to.

[@jayjaydubful]

It was a very convenient distraction to all the actual human rights abuses that went on during the covid response. It was a great method of 'divide & conquer". It was a great way to further embed gender ideology.

[@Saddamuel]

Why pretend it isn't deliberate? The narrative serves someone's purposes and so they allowed it to propagate or they pushed it. Someone or something thinks it benefits them and they're doing it to destroy the country.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

He’s far too reasonable and well intentioned, I’m sure his cancellation will be along soon.

[@aj5424]

No Black intellectuals have been cancelled so far.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

@@aj5424 Roland Fryer? Look into him, he’s as brilliant as his cancelling was savage. Actually, be great if Francis & Kostos could get him on.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

@@aj5424 that's right. Could it be that they dont exist?

[@aj5424]

@@stirlingmoss4621 I expect your a wonderful exponent of the old "Socratic" debate, Prof Moss?

[@stirlingmoss4621]

@@aj5424 Ockham's razor, actually

[@TiGGowich]

You know it hurts me on a very personal level that we in the West have abandoned so many of our values but above all... abandoning truth and lying about everything to appease one group today and another group tomorrow. I have seen this through my parents' and grandparents' lived experiences in Nazi Germany and socialist East Germany respectively and it's a horrible way to live. I don't understand why we are doing this to ourselves. We know where it leads... and spoilers: it's not a destination anybody wants to go to... Europe and North America could be heaven on earth but it feels like we are doing everything right now to ruin our continents.

[@rynolascavio3381]

people are doomed to repeat history

[@MS-sb9ov]

Completely agree but unless you know this then we’re doomed to repeat. I used to naively assume youngsters knew as much history as myself, but experience has taught me otherwise.

[@bennym5244]

Right but who has the guts right now to stand up and criticise the negative impact 2Pac has had on the world? The media is celebrating his life as a suspect in his demise is finally facing justice. So many young migrants into Europe and America hold up 2Pac as their hero. However, he put forward a negative story to follow. They'll be publications courting rappers giving them glowing positive reviews and praise for their ' influential ' lyrics, the next news article is another senseless murder related to gangs. There seems to be an unquestionable authority that gives gangster rap a free pass.

[@TiGGowich]

@@MS-sb9ov but how do so many people either not know or don't care?

[@joshuaallen7171]

Do you think we told the truth about the British Empire at the time it existed? Do you think we told the truth about the Crusades while they were happening? I think you're idealising the past - I suspect we have always told lies for various reasons

[@angelmessenger8240]

I'm 65 and I've always said, watch America because it will be here in ten years. That timeframe is collapsing since the inception of the net and social media.

[@Candolad]

It's worth reading and watching Thomas Sowell, the American commentator and academic, on race.

[@hustle3011]

I am American and it is pathetic how he is never talked about in mainstream American news or schools. I guess when you don’t follow the victim narrative, they don’t have anytime for you.

[@GlaucoAlves]

Thomas is the goat!

[@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108]

He is a denier of America racist pass

[@rayanez]

Hopefully Tomiwa is going to carry the torch of Thomas Sowell, we need someone like him in Canada

[@HitTheLofi]

Thomas sowell is a f****** coconut

[@TheWtfnonamez]

A very smart young man. He defines himself by his qualities and intellect.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

certainly not by his command of English grammar

[@TheWtfnonamez]

@@koschmx Fair point. I saw a Peterson video where he was saying how the European social constructionist philosophers were basically all Marxist at their core, but somehow took a grip of academia.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

@neptune4375 well, you can take a horse to water etc

[@lionheart3429]

​@stirlingmoss4621 just say you don't like black people it's OK

[@johnsmith-ik8il]

Americas media is too powerful.

[@joelhall5124]

My family were all immigrants and refugees. Its farcical to us that Britain was built by a tiny minority of people coming here, rather than those who know it as home.

[@TheFERGALISIOUS]

Except for the Roman's, Saxons, Norse and Norman influences

[@zane62135]

Western Europeans influenced a country in Western Europe? Impossible.@@TheFERGALISIOUS​

[@igvangodoy]

​@@zane62135hahahahah shocking!

[@VIEWITIS]

​@@TheFERGALISIOUSyou just listed CONQUERORS and PILLAGERS

[@Rabbithole8]

@@VIEWITIS The Roman's left a lasting impact. It is known as Roman Britain. The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes became integrated into the Britain together with the Britains, the Celts. The Norse, including the Normans, also integrated. They were not simply conquerors and pillagers. As zane62135 Western Europeans all influenced each other and the Roman Empire was a central power that existed for over a thousand years. Of course, all of Europe was shaped by the Romans. The nonsense that is being spread is as if non prehistoric people from Africa, people from Asia etc, all were part of Europe from the the start. Finding evidence of one Black person in a Roman legion or one Black person in Britain in the 1200s, means that Britain was always multicultural with Blacks. Of course, even today with a million or so White people in Japan, no one, certainly not the Japanese consider White people Japanese. Yet, the ideologues insist Europe was never made up of White Europeans. Even stating that was is considered racist.

[@brek5]

As an American (who's lived abroad most of his life and knows a lot of people from around the world), I have never fully wrapped my mind around why people from other countries latch onto American issues/movements. I'll refrain from mentioning anything specific, but there are some movements in the US that make sense IN THE US CONTEXT, and I don't get how anyone would see how they translate to other places, but then people outside the US pick up the ball and run with it! I wish they had discussed that a little more, but still and interesting conversation.

[@Aspartame69]

Most of the modern movements dont even make sense in the US. Most of those riggers were lynched FOR GOOD REASON. Just like all the white people that were lynched, were also lynched for good reason.

[@asaenvolk]

Those movements often don't make as much sense in the American context ether, until you realized its often just about power grabs using emotional leavers.

[@iamanomas]

Like the BLM protests that leaked out of the US into loads of other nations. Also the “Freedom Convoy” that disrupted Ottawa. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@clare2401]

The Internet has played a massive part in this. The Internet has this strange habit of lumping everyone together by language alone. The Internet is also boarderless, it doesn't insist on the premis of separate countries. If there's a mass shooting in Texas, I hear about it here in Hampshire, England, within the hour via the Internet. It's also far easier to form tribes via the Internet too. The Internet was about bringing the world closer together but now we've all been sucked into this weird, incestuous relationship with each other

[@tommysmith7031]

Imagine the 2nd Amendment is one.

[@chrisnelson3884]

British leftist - I stand with the indigenous people of Britain! Me - So... you stand with white people? British leftist - No! I stand with INDIGENOUS people!!! Me - Yyyyeah... I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[@byronleigh80]

Maybe that person meant the Welsh.

[@Emperor-Inker]

Do you mean the Celtics, not the Anglo-Saxons / Vikings who immigrated to Britain through war & integration with the locals? So in short not just white people, as I'm sure you don't see the Polish as indigenous to Britain. I do wish people had strong support for indigenous in the Americas (mainly north America), South Africa, New Zealand & Australia when colonisation put white immigrants at the top of society solely due to their race.

[@jackochainsaw]

@@user-uz2vc1gc6v we are a nation entirely composed of drifters. There isn't one place in the British Isles that hasn't had some kind of drift, whether it be Gaelic, Celtic, Norse, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Norman/French, Saxon, Dutch, Frisian or Roman. Not to mention all of the places we went to as conquerors and whom we brought back with us as partners. We've been conquered to some extent more than 6 times by foreign nations. All cultures have had some kind of revision or evolution within the British Isles. We are the original moving feast. Our regional Dialects tell the best story of that. That drift is a good thing, but its only a good thing while we can absorb it. And it takes time to absorb. We are also a nation of defiance. It's our thing.

[@kimbardgett1664]

But not every family has those roots ,im not saying it isnt relative ,i know my husbands family came with the normans .But we shouldnt be taking on Amercian problems we lost men trying to stop slavery .We fought WW2 to stop countries from losing their traditions I know my family lost alot of young men doing so .My own family arent all white now we judge people by their character not colour we class them as family .

[@crowbar9566]

Actually both the English and the Scots are still largely descended from the British tribes conquered by the Romans (or not depending what side of the wall), rather than Saxons or Irish.@@byronleigh80

[@cherylanne4390]

Having grown up in Zimbabwe I noticed how enthusiastic young Africans were for education. I think it was seen as a way out of poverty or just to open doors to a better life. Some children walked miles and miles (sometimes barefoot) to get to a school. Their parents working hard and long hours to pay for the education. Living in the UK young people sadly do not have the same approach even though they have more opportunities. African migrants are taking advantage and I say power to them 👏👏. Great interview!

[@dontayz99]

I’m of Zimbabwean blood and grew up in the midlands most of my life. The quality of your education in the UK really does depend on where you live. We act like some teachers don’t do a half ass job or how far back our education system is in comparison to countries with similar levels of wealth. It really an unfavourable option for a lot of youths hence the resurgence of apprenticeships and young people going directly into work after secondary school

[@davidcook680]

Well in America baby. Black folks are doing to exact opposite. Why learn to read or do math. When you can twerk and make drill music.

[@87Lohan]

@@-...-zed-...-and I have to agree that the education system here does encourage classism it’s completely biased. I only noticed this having also been educated both here and in Zimbabwe as a child (which also has its own biases) being in class with other black students who were both rich, poor, you were assessed purely on your academic ability which raised ambition in a sense. I witnessed in this country all kids from middle class families placed in higher sets in class when they just weren’t that smart.

[@87Lohan]

@@-...-zed-...- it’s heartbreaking, especially for white working class people because this is their place of origin. To be treated like this in your home is cruel. I always say black people in this country are actually quite privileged because if push came to shove the majority of black people in this country have options to go to the Carribbean or Africa and have an alternative experience which could potentially change their lives. I do feel for white working class they are truly the forgotten sector of society in the UK

[@expression3639]

The way Americans talk about the problems in their country (imagined or otherwise), they often make it sound like those are worldwide problems. Then there is American exceptionalism that makes them believe they're the best shit since sliced bread, so if they have an issue, they think surely all the other lesser (i.e. everyone else) countries have that issue too. This makes it easy to fall into the trap of believing their narratives apply to us non-americans.

[@januarysson5633]

That still doesn’t explain why non-Americans are so willing to go with the programming you perceive.

[@januarysson5633]

@@user-jg5ut9xj1e But Americans are pushing back against woke ideas more vigorously than anyone even when these ideas originated in their current form here. Where are the DJTs, Ron DeSantises, and Kristi Noems in Europe?

[@BigChap117]

@@januarysson5633 Because they're paid to. NGO's, corporations, "consultants," the CIA all play a role in spreading it. Why? To destabilize and demoralize.

[@mrbojangles8133]

they may not know that certain books exist, the atlas, these things feature strange and exotic places that aren't America

[@expression3639]

@@januarysson5633 It does though. Why is anyone willing to go with conspiracy theories for example? I bring this up because whatever the reasons are, they are the same. People in general are not good critical thinkers. The internet is an alternate world where languages are the boundaries rather than geographical boundaries. These things make it extremely easy to believe that we share the same reality. That, along with the way americans talk about their problems as if everyone had the same problems, makes it very easy to fall into the trap of accepting these narratives as real locally. Plus, people love to have scapegoats for everything they find is wrong in their life. Those narratives are very appealing as scapegoats.

[@auntsally7790]

Also shows the huge difference between Africans and African Americans - vast, espeicially educated ones.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Africans do not care about African Americans.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Middle Passage-descended Americans or Britons or Canadians have a very poor 'woe is me because my ancestors were slaves so give me money and tolerate all my obnoxious behavior' sense of entitlement that Nigerian-Americans, Kenyan-Americans, and other black Americans not descended from Middle Passage slaves.

[@cupcake8867]

Africans/Blacks in London have sky high crime rates. They make up 13 percent of the population in London. Yet, are 45 percent of knife murder victims, 61 percent of knife murder perpetrators, and 53 percent knife crime perpetrators. The 13/50 meme goes international. If you don’t believe me look up the numbers yourself.

[@wiseonwords]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 - That's a very simplistic, not to say, largely inaccurate comment!

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

...Well, how so, @@wiseonwords ? And why are Middle Passage-descended black people so less successful than other black people in the West?

[@thinkhaven7902]

35:30- 100 % agree with Tomiwa. I'm a Black Brit woman (African descent). The black community is not the monolith that it seems to be presented as. The vast majority of black people I know are middle class and (privately) educated and do not agree with the sentiments of the vocal minority whose voices are elevated and platformed in the mainstream media. It begs the question, are the issues singularly about race or related to sociocultural disparities? I would argue that the latter plays a larger role while not dismissing that there is a (smaller) non-systematic contribution from the former.

[@danmcdonald9117]

Great guest guys, thanks Tomiwa for appearing on Triggernometry and showing support!

[@marianam8643]

Canada has the same thing. I remember when trump got elected, we had demonstrations here that had billboards “not my president”. Well….obviously. It seems that some people are so obsessed with solving the most trendy social problems that they will import problems just in order to say that they are solving them. Meanwhile, in Canada, we have our own issues, but because these issues are not trendy, they get ignored by most people, especially politicians (who are actually being paid to solve them). This ignoring of real problems to deal with imported quasi problems is so useful to any politician because he can be elected by speaking about solving problems that he actually has no ability to solve. Climate change is one, human rights abuses in China, the war in Ukraine, racial disparities due to slavery. It is very weird.

[@TheHabsification]

Wait? They really had a not my president billboard in Canada? Just Why? Are they even aware they have their own political system? Were they even aware that their head of state at the time was Queen Elizabeth II? Are they even aware you don't vote for the prime minister, you vote for the party? Are they aware the only way to vote for the leader of the party is to join the party and be a card carrying member of the party? I'm from and in UK and our useless idiots are just embarrassing and ignorant and spouting things and trying to apply US issues into the UK as if it fits. However it never makes sense and the worst thing about this, they're given mainstream backing and legitimacy. But what the hell is going on in Canada with your useless idiots?

[@anomietoponymie2140]

I love your example of Canadians protesting Trump's election with "Not My President" signs 😆🤣.

[@uppitywoman3647]

You never see a Trudeau billboard stating "not my prime minister". But I suspect that if you did, someone is going to jail.

[@sauter1]

"He can be elected by speaking of solving problems that he actually has no ability to solve." Very, very, very well stated! Virtue signalling above everything. No actual measurable positive results needed.

[@hambonejamboree7750]

I saw so much “fuck trump” graffiti here in the UK. And I got called a “trump supporter” in the office, whatever that means to a Brit. All because I said he is funny as fuck. Which I still maintain to this day.

[@modiceinsanus]

Canada has this very problem too... many politicans seem more obsessed with American issues than focusing on Canadian issues

[@PGE613]

Or maybe two countries that share a continent and a similar history are just, you know, similar. The painting of everything distasteful about our politics as 'American' is a lazy and overplayed sentiment in Canada and drips with arrogance.

[@PGE613]

Gun crime in Canada's major cities has escalated sharply in recent years. Not everything is a reaction to the US. And UK cops don't even have guns, which is a policy that predates the politicization of guns in the US.

[@Ghostmanriding]

How true! I'm an Canadian/ American dual national and I couldn't agree more.

[@januarysson5633]

I don’t see Trudeau as having any desire to mold Canada into being more American. He seems to want to go in a more Chinese direction.

[@jayjaydubful]

​@@januarysson5633disengenuously adopting American issues is the method of getting us to Chinese outcomes

[@thomaspaaruppedersen6781]

You gotta love this young, soft-spoken, compassionate man for how he addresses these issues. We need more people like him in the public, and I'd argue that the ones who need him the most is not 'White Englishmen' having their opinions confirmed, but rather young black males. Not necessarily of the same ethnicity but Caribbean descendants as well. It's not you skin color, mate. It's your behavior! Young black men need more role models like him.

[@carlin_agyei]

You don't speak for black people be quiet

[@johnw574]

Black people in the UK are platformed and benefit immensely thanks to the americanisation of British politics. Seeing 50% black people on every piece of media from buying clothes, to TV ads, to politics despite being a tiny minority is insanity.

[@simonmartin3433]

BANG RIGHT MATE.

[@baronvon57]

Where did you get the statistics for that mate, you insane twat.

[@sweetcutecoolgirl]

Oh noo seeing black people postively on TV is sooo insane, you probably would be okay with seeing poor black poor children with flies on their face starving, i bet that would’ve never been a problem for you. But seeing black people in a normal way postive way is insane for you ok.

[@ExileGilby64]

​@@rbh9694Britain's population is about 3% Black

[@kittykatz4001]

Yep. 🇺🇸 BW, her. BA population used to hold steady at 13 or 14% of the total 🇺🇸 population for many, many decades. Today, it’s dropping. I get it: it seems crazy to ppl who live outside of the country that such a very small segment of a country’s population are is so visible to the 4 corners of the universe. Let me be clear: WE don’t control anything over here: we don’t control music distribution, media of any kind whether tv film, blah blah blah. I kind of get why we are thrown out these like that and broadcast all over the world, but I won’t comment on THAT. But we z(the black Americans) don’t control anything over here. Nothing.

[@chrisschey7818]

The funny thing is racism has declined hugely in the USA but you'd never know it from the media & political narrative, which is probably all you hear in the UK and in fact the world. It's awful for all of us.

[@chrisschey7818]

This has been a great show. Thanks, Tom. Maybe in the future you'll come over & talk about this in the US. At bottom for all of us is home, family & religion & that just gets lost or suppressed here as well.

[@adouglas2308]

That's a lie. America still has sundown towns from coast to coast. They are not just reserved in the south. Mississippi has recently reinstated Jim Crow laws and several states refuse to tell the truth about the history of slavery and events like the Tulsa Oklahoma Massacre, and the massacre in Florida. And these are just a few examples.

[@jalengee8421]

As a Jamaican Canadian This guy is the most accurate representation I seen of our black immigrant community and other minority communities and history , I seen in a long time

[@michaelschmidt1101]

The BBC clip you showed is a classic example of "The Anointed" thinking they know better (and ideologically) about how history should be presented - and just ending up lying (presumably virtuously which they will tell themselves makes it all OK) , but also being so arrogant to believe that it is up to them to socially engineer all us benighted deplorables.

[@gluehoof573]

Made all the more bitter as we're legally obliged to fund these people who are knowingly lying to our children under the guise of educating them.

[@TheHabsification]

Is that a Thomas Sowell reference(The Visions of the Anointed)?

[@tburke3454]

They believe the ends justify the means. Hillary Clinton and the rest of her ilk have no more respect for these emotionally ill cripples than they do for the deplorables they are simply to be used and eventually shunned. If we allow these power, money grubbing scum to continue on.

[@michaelschmidt1101]

@@TheHabsification Yes - Thomas seems eerily correct in this regard.

[@TheHabsification]

@@michaelschmidt1101 Sadly Sowell has been proven right too many times.

[@nativeseedbank-thailand]

Education is the only defence against puerile stupidity and 'dumbing down'... thanks Tomiwa... and to the boys as usual! Crack on lads!

[@nigelbagguley7606]

British schools are teaching CRT totally unfiltered as if this country WAS America, talking about racist "systems" being in place from the country's inception.Unfortunately( for both them and especially the pupils) when England was founded in 937ad after the Battle of Brunanburgh not only were there no black people here but the only slaves in the country were also white.This is probably why Oxford University is now teaching history students that Anglo-Saxon history is mythical, despite their own possession of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles.

[@darugdawg2453]

well its the same. eu exports globalists bs too not only to america but the whole world. safe space etc

[@XZaRxJILaX]

"British schools are teaching" are u still in school? What's ur source for this. There's no way u actually look up the curriculum. And CRT has nothing to do with history, it's an academic and legal framework way too advanced for a school curriculum. The statements "British schools are teaching CRT" and "[CRT is] talking about racist "systems" being in place from the country's inception" are simply wrong and strongly suggest that u are just repeating nonsense u heard somewhere. Pls stop spreading myths about public schools they are incredibly useful and important.

[@ninjawizard3865]

​@@XZaRxJILaXTell us more about Common core maths.

[@marcusantoninus1838]

"Way too advanced" Actually it's the worst simpleton mindset to have, boiling the complexities of the world down to a couple singular issues, so that the common fodder can eat it up. It just works on allowing people to feel that they've been oppressed and create useful idiots for any revolutionary enterprise that needs them.

[@PoldarkGodzilla]

@@XZaRxJILaXnice obfuscating 😂 no longer being taught through a legal framework , instead it is implied white peoples are inherently racist and uk is systematically racist 😂 you agree ?

[@crowbar9566]

My entire 45 years people have been moaniing and criticising incessantly about this country as though it's hell on earth, all the while foreigners literally kill themselves trying to get in. I think it's a great country, because it is when you compare it to most other countries.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Lots of areas are shit

[@steelcrown7130]

And it's the same in the countries that ARE nations of immigrants - but where the founding immigrants largely came from the UK. As well as the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada are heaven on Earth in comparison to the rest of the world,

[@nedhill1242]

As an American, amen. America is not racist and we don't have racial problems, we have a black white problem because the left uses propaganda and lies and identity politics to brainwash gullible people. People of color come to America from every part of the world and many die trying to get to America and within a few years they are successful. Many FAR more successful than the average black person born in America because they see America is great and come here for freedom & opportunity and they haven't been handicapped by victimhood ideology. If America were truly racist immigrants wouldn't want to come here and they wouldn't be so successful when they do, but stupid people believe the Democrats and the media more than reality in front of their own eyes!!

[@shauny2285]

Same in the US. People need to get out and see the world to understand why people immigrate here. The US is better than most.

[@sspbrazil]

The English love to moan about anything really.

[@regrob16]

As a American descendant of slavery I definitely enjoyed the conversation and following this channel.

[@wwbuirkle]

Yes and I'm a descendant of a dead Union soldier cheers

[@NaimaBRobertTV]

I really enjoy how knowledgeable Mr Owolade is about the nuances between different ethnic backgrounds, class, origin stories. It is refreshing to hear.

[@cd0u50c9]

THIS IS NOT AMERICA - David Bowie knew it! Great title, and such a good summary of a problem. In my country they say 'the frog saw the horse getting its shoes changed and it started lifting its leg as well'.

[@brobsonmontey]

We're not allowed to have proper, frank, and honest conversations about problems because we're not allowed to solved problems. If we actually solved problems then government(s) can't use those problems to grift for votes, to justify ever increasing taxation, and to justify ever more ridiculous government programs. If we actually solved problems then non-government organisations (charities, activist groups, etc.) would lose their reason for existing and their ability to acquire donations. Solving problems is a direct threat to the employment & profit of a huge proportion of society - consequently they will not allow you to do anything that might actually lead to problem solving (such as a proper, frank, or honest conversation).

[@TheMr.H]

🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@MusgraveRitual]

Bingo. Disgruntlement is a huge industry, a big money maker and overreaching power grab.

[@ChrisCooper312]

Also, don't ignore the power of "divide and rule". Split everyone up into different groups, gender, race, religion, sexuality, age etc, even social class (yet in reality it always ignores the ruling/mega rich class), and they will fight amongst themselves and blame each other for their problems and ignore the real causes of the problems. If you're lucky, you might even be in the most privileged group (wealthy and powerful) but be in enough protected classes to get away with it. I mean just look at the people running the UK at the moment.

[@metamorphicme9378]

100%, well said

[@elleanna5869]

Outside the Anglosphere in the west there is still a bit of sanity but it's highly menaced by US influence via media and social media. I am Nigerian too, and I am sick of being used as a tool , together with the whole continent, for US race insanity and packed nonsense "black" vs "white" . We are not the US should be a cultural anthem

[@kieronedwards6249]

recently a junior school teacher in the UK was motivated to run an active shooter drill in her classroom. This was described to me by some quite intelligent people who treated it as yet another unusual new subject on their grandson's curriculum. I really had to speak slowly and in baby steps to describe how this was very dumb and most likley caused by the teacher's social media diet. If it's hard to explain to nice middle class people why shooter drills are not applicable anything more complicated is going to be really hard work.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

@@zeppelindemon Of course it could happen, Zeppelin, so many things COULD HAPPEN. But school shootings are NOT a problem in the UK, knife violence on the streets is.

[@RiaDonita]

Great conversation. Good to see a fellow African being honest about this liberalist matrix of logorrhoea we’re living in. As an African woman with immigrant parents, I’d also add that the reason why the black British import African-American issues is because we’re also obsessed with homogeneity. Uniformity of thought is something we find difficult to let go of and I suspect it’s a trauma response to centuries of uprooted identities and forceful adaptation to new surroundings as a result of slavery. Trying to relate to a completely different class of black people on the other side of the Atlantic, demonstrates this attempt at homogenisation of black voices and experience, even though both the U.K. and US are built on different foundations.

[@theinngu5560]

Interesting…Generally people are more comfortable with like minded people and so it makes one feel more secure if there is an assumption that many others ..in this case, all black people, think alike but of course it is unrealistic and something that everyone in any group needs to get over….the identity with the group…

[@johnricercato740]

A very insightful comment - the homogenisation is a leftist manoeuvre and in this case arguably racist. Assuming people with one characteristic in common also share the same histories, the same life-experiences, political views etc is an outrageous and offensive generalisation. It is of course a vehicle for casting a whole group as victims, fit for ‘rescuing’ by white saviours.

[@RiaDonita]

⁠@@theinngu5560 Precisely. It’s something I see all the time and whenever you present a different view , it’s always met with some level of hostility. It’s always interesting to also notice on what basis the hostility is formed; it’s not a question of the innate repulsion your view carries, but it’s rather about the proclivity for your view to be closer to the perceived views of another group. The irony is is that homogeneity isn’t something that’s attainable anyway, especially when you divide Caribbeans/West-Indians and Africans, you’re more likely to find stark differences or demarcations within both groups on an individual basis, much less collectively. If there’s overwhelming evidence that homogeneity doesn’t work, why do we keep striving for it?

[@rouib]

@@theinngu5560 When Black Lives Matter was such a huge thing in 2020. My friends who were black kept this narrative that American issues are the same exact issues we experience in the UK. I can definitely say my experiences with race is completely different from American black women. I started to realise that identity politics has never played a huge part in my life until 2020. The influence of American media post 2010 has definitely concealed what the actual issues are in the societies we live in (outside America).

[@eve3363]

So in other words, you are saying that only Black Americans face civil rights issues? I suppose African nations are living carefree with no conflict from European and Arab people? What about the UK? Black people in the UK or other European nations are living comfortably around their European counterparts?

[@thel1355]

Many people, and especially so-called intellectuals, wear their politics like other people wear fashion. It's a class signifier. People import politics for just the same reasons that they import other fashions.

[@Winterascent]

And it is just as insufferable as you'd think it would be.

[@januarysson5633]

But they blind themselves to the consequences.

[@Gr88tful]

Yah. Maybe take the good stuff from US. The US absorbed Canadian and British Lgbtq extremism .. and now they are adopting US racism. And it is a form of racism -

[@foxtrotjulietbravo5536]

I'm just an American who is a second generation anglophile. Now that we get so many British TV shows (especially the BEST cop shows!) I want to enjoy my guilty pleasure sans Americanism! Stand your ground!! Be you but come visit us in Florida.

[@dioniscaraus6124]

@@januarysson5633 Not really, they seek to live in white neighborhoods consistently

[@MathildaFlow]

I remember growing up in Sweden in the 80s and 90s and hearing this narrative in School and in the media that we're a nation of immigrants (this is before rampant immigration), all mixed and how no one is truly Swedish and this was explained by the medieval Hanseatic League trade group and "merchants from the Netherlands came to Stockholm and other port cities and mixed with the locals". This has later been proven to be wildly exaggerated but, of course, that doesn't change their narrative. I don't understand why they need European people to have no national identity. Or I understand why but it's still stupid.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

all Northern Europeans are from the same stock. I'm English for at least 1000 years but have NW European genetics to 99.8%. No-one is telling me that I'm a mix of immigrants

[@jayjaydubful]

The new world order. Someone I saw recently pointed out that it's like trying to turn Europe into a neoliberal soviet union. Breaking down national identity & country borders is all part of that

[@RojaJaneman]

😂😂 this is exactly d type of propoganda church spread in Asia and Africa. Aryan invasion theory for ex, complete fiction. Like how Jesus turned white all of a sudden. Greeks r white for some reason. How, many ancient inventions from that part of d world was claimed as white, without any hard evidence. Karma. Those tactics r being used by commies/Islam!$ts now 😂

[@Bjorn_R]

Man this makes me think of that SAS commercial saying we dont have our own culture, we just "took it" that pissed me off....

[@JZ-mn8wv]

At least part of it, from a European perspective, is probably an overreaction to the Nazis and that image of nationalism

[@cdev2117]

5:50 We had a museum in germany recently that introduced a BIPoC day, first thing they used the actually term BIPoC simply assuming everybody would understand what it means. Second they also don't understood the term "Indigenous", and try to form and warp it into something that excludes germans or europeans in general.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Sorry to hear that. I am a black American and I think that is absolutely ridiculous.

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

Worse still, if you were to talk about indiginous Germans, even if it's just in a historic context, everyone will raise their eyebrows as if you are about to cite some speeches from the famous Austrian painter.

[@VioletACordy]

🔆🌈😊BRAVO!! Konstantin and Francis ~ THANK YOU 4 inviting the very interesting + brilliant ~ “Tomiwa Owolade is the author of ‘This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter” 💕TOMIWA reminds me of the BRILLIANT ERODITE AMERICAN SCOLAR ~ HISTORIAN ~ PROFESSOR THOMAS SOWELL, Ph.D, who is admired and held in high esteem ALL OVER the World * * * Shalom ~ Violet (Toronto ~ Australia) 🌳🌲🦚

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

My mind reels at Brits saying their a nation of immigrants. The US is a nation of immigrants. England is the nation Anglo-Saxon comes from, and it HAS immigrants. I would never move to China and expect them to "make room" for my culture.

[@jackiechilds8047]

Also blacks arguing that Brits should give them better housing bc blacks won't take care of the area they live. Go back to Africa to live better if you can. Happy to bring Indians or Pakis before blacks hopping on the victim wagon

[@shauny2285]

Per my Chinese relatives you are correct, they would not.

[@daronykoy8244]

It was a mistake by bringing Meeegain into the RF . She’s destroying the England as she playing her race card . She’s evil 👿

[@arthurballs9632]

Get back to Germania, Hun

[@ovaloctopus8]

I mean I guess since 1066 there werent many immigrants but we were founded on migration and I think thats what most people mean. The Celts migrated followed by the romans (who yeah left basically no trace genetically but still) then the anglo saxons followed by the Vikings. In contrast to somewhere like Japan that has basically had the same population for about 2000-3000 years.

[@rubiccube8953]

When I was a child 65 years ago the history teacher on being questioned why was Great Britain so powerful answer that we had the right climate and the ideal place for sailing. I lived in Bermondsey neighbouring Peckham my experiences with black Caribbean people was very positive . We helped them and they were happy. The scale of the immigration into central London now is off the scale. I’ve worked with caribbean people who hated African black attitude.

[@manofculture584]

What African black attitude?

[@NineInchTyrone]

The smart phone and t@blet have made groups self identify though separated by an ocean. An incident in USA might as well have happened in a British no go zone

[@Olivia-lu3gg]

Great conversation - long overdue. If only people could discuss the topic of race/culture as the fascinating subject that it is..... how much richer society would become. Instead the subject has become weaponised and therefore untouchable.

[@Candolad]

I read a shirt article by Tomiea Owolade in the London Evening Standard a few days ago on Friday 29th September 2023. It was a gery well-communicated piece examining how it's a class rather than race thats the real divide in UK society. He has an ability to talk to his audience and cause it to think deeply about the subject he's writing about. I think most thinking people know instinctively that thr race card is played through an American persoective and is very cery damaging to in the process. Thanks to Tomiwa's brilliant journalism we can organise our thoughts on this by reading his work and concluding that his theories are essentially ours, but put in a comprehendible format.

[@joycegibbs5267]

it IS mostly down to class. You notice that so many of these extreme woke people are white, have very posh accents and probably come from very privileged backgrounds. They're embarrassed so have to grift off genuine people.

[@DonBean-ej4ou]

In 1968 my sister left our council flat and eent off to uni. She came back a new left socialist. Fascinated, I read all her books here are some I remember.I wont name all the titles: Sally Belfrage Freedom Summer; A Room in Moscow. Richard Hofstader; Saul Alinsky. Black Nationalism Essien- Udom; Angela Davis; James Baldwin; Malcom X, Stokely Carmichel. All American. Eventually she read The Gulag Archipilago and things simmered down. Irony is our flars were in Stockwell S London and real workd blacks were out the window playing football with us while her head was in her books.😂

[@londonman8688]

the split in the Anglican church shows how conservative many blacks nations are

[@Pfeffa]

Based African Christians Rock

[@cupcake8867]

They also have third world living standards and sky high crime rates.

[@dioniscaraus6124]

@@cupcake8867 I doubt murderers and thieves tend to be christian

[@sweetlemonade6925]

@@cupcake8867 None of what you said is true and comes from a racist narrative. Many Christian African countries don’t have sky high crime rates! Many African countries are actually safe to visit and travel around! African people are very nice, so people rarely get mugged, unlike the UK, Spain, Italy etc where pickpocketers thrive on harming visitors. There are more wars and human rights violations going on in Europe and the Middle East,Asia (Ukrainian, Russia, Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Yemen etc) than in Africa, but for some reason racists like to stigmatise Africa as the war mongering and criminal continent. In Africa criminals actually get severely punished (death penalty, life sentences etc) which discourages many from committing crimes, unlike the West which promotes and celebrates people to do crime. Secondly, many Christian African countries are not third world countries, they are developing countries. Big difference! Third world countries are countries like Syria, North Korea, Afghanistan etc). Many African countries especially the Christian ones are developing with bright trajectories ahead. Many of the fastest growing economies in the world are in Africa. The only third world African countries which you can say aren’t in great condition in existence are Somalia, Liberia and the two Congo’s. Vast majority of Africa is made up of developing countries and some already developed countries.

[@stephentarry4475]

Great conversation. I love Tomiwa's attitude. Isn't refreshing to listen to the true reflection of reality from a positive man and his experiences, cultural heritage and background.... I was in west Africa in the late 80's wonderful people... Cultured, caring and welcoming. I loved their positivity to succeed..

[@FortisConscius]

Golden Girls, Cheers, Frasier, South Park, The Simpsons, music and classic Hollywood... Importing from the USA was great at one time. We've become far less discerning at it's showing.

[@Anonymous-tm7rj]

Yes Britain does import American problems. It seems like the bad American stuff is always imported whenever American stuff is imported period and it makes Americans cringe (some of us).

[@januarysson5633]

Yet Americans push back against the woke ideology that originated here more than other countries. Why is that?

[@JumpCutThis]

America and our existence is similar to a case of herpes; once you’ve been exposed, we’re always there lurking- waiting for the most inopportune moment to arise and make our presence known. No matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter how you go about living, you’re never quite clear of the contagion. You can lessen the outward signs of being a disease-ridden pustule with certain actions but you’re never rid of us completely. And I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this- I find it quite grotesque. There’s a pendulum swing coming, but now the fear is a great overreaction and the far side of this complete abomination of an existence.

[@cupcake8867]

@@JumpCutThisExcept this ideology along with communism originated in Europe.

[@cupcake8867]

Britain is importing people from low IQ populations that have vastly different cultures. Culture and behavior are downstream from genetics.

[@londonman8688]

why is there no demand for reparations from africa to the caribbean ?

[@Anglo_Saxon1]

Very good point.Thousands of black Africans who were sold into slavery in the Caribbean by their fellow Africans,but funnily enough that is never spoken about. Its obviously much easier for them to blame it all on the white race.

[@tecumseh4095]

Did African countries enslaved west African in Europe and the Americas?

[@januarysson5633]

💯

[@adouglas2308]

Did you ask the same question for the Japanese and the Jewish communities who both received reparations? What about the fact that families of slave owners were still being paid up until 2015 in Britain because of loss of THEIR property aka black people?

[@jazztheglass6139]

Have you ever tried getting cash out of a african ?

[@manusha1349]

Brilliant 👏🏽 definitely has a James Baldwin vibe. I see great things ahead for this guy

[@LeeGee]

That's a Bowie song. Around the same time both The The and New Model Army had a chorus, "this is the 51st state of America"

[@tstarr8314]

Australia is similar in that we import ideas and policies from America which really don't do well here. At one time it was announced that politicians wanted mandatory minimum sentencing rolled out in every state and territory - literally the same week as the Governor of California announced that mandatory minimum sentencing had been an epic failure there. The majority of our media is now American when it used to be a combination of UK and local productions. The NRA was found to be slipping money to a racist political party here in exchange for lobbying for our gun laws to be relaxed. Who knows what other US interests are being lobbied here that we aren't even aware of.

[@thesongoflunch]

Given the fact your government was so tyrannical you could do with the lax gun laws

[@PRH123]

I remember being astonished by anti trump rallies in london...

[@DonBean-ej4ou]

Typical. 200 people surrounded by the worlds media. Totally unrepresentative yet Fox news and Tucker himself poring over it endlessly.

[@dungcheeseMORK999]

We simply think American problems are common western problems, that if affects our societies as if we have them too, that we have as much to say if not more, because we have become too influenced by America. There are nice things to come from there, but ultimately we've become too dependent and reliant on them.

[@TheRealBrook1968]

I live in the American South in Tennessee. The vast majority of black Americans live in the South and we do not have the division as experienced in Chicago and the west coast. The BLM activists are primarily white, wealthy college aged students in IV league colleges. Their footprint in media is much larger than the reality.

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@chipcook5346it ain’t in Philly.

[@PGE613]

Then, become exceptional. America isn't stopping you.

[@DonBean-ej4ou]

"We" don't. A very small group of blabbermouthed idiots do.

[@bennym5244]

Look at the recent media activity surrounding the death of 2Pac. News outlets are celebrating and championing his life and work. Then the next news article will be yet another senseless act of gang violence on the streets of Chicago, Milwaukee, Philly, London etc. Who has the guts to say that 2was has had a terrible terrible effect on western culture if not the world. Northern Africans living in Sweden, Indians, third generation Pakistanis in Oldham love 2Pac. Yet what does he represent?? He was an active gang member who valued the gangster life. Why is there not a sensible voice that points this fallacy out? They'll be mothers crying asking why there young children have been caught up in violence. The answer is the celebration of 2 Pac 's life!!!

[@carolforrest9218]

Today’s title has been a burning question for me.😎

[@paulallen5321]

This young man reminds of Thomas Sowell in the USA, his command of the facts is terrific....and just what we need in the UK to have a sensible debate of which areas we need to change and improve...

[@ganggang3788]

Some topics, yes....others absolutely not. He is outright misinformed when he says black Americans can trace their ancestry further back than white Americans. what a joke. My ancestry DNA only goes back to my great-great grandparents that are literally labeled "Slave #" in the registry in Louisiana. It stops right there besides saying they come from Nigeria/West Africa. Most black Americans like myself can only trace our ancestry in detail to that point in slavery since our ancestors names and culture were stripped from them.

[@ContrarianExpatriate]

Not even close and that is an insult to Sowell. Perhaps he is similar to Coleman Hughes who is close in age and in mindset.

[@paulallen5321]

@@ContrarianExpatriate I thought I might get that response, and you're right of course Sowell is a Giant, but then again he had to start some where and at 28 Sowell wouldn't have been fully formed. What I should have said is he has the potential to be like him. Fact driven logical and inquisitive...

[@Gcarse]

It is the highest compliment imaginable to compare anyone to Thomas Sowell. I can think of no finer intellect alive today.

[@Saddamuel]

lol

[@xdlol59]

55:00 That comment on pornography is absolutely on point. The consequences will be enormous and horrifying, but we don't know them yet.

[@barryevans791]

I have had to say this multiple times at work. I think it is the internet as it is very America centric, to the point where Americans will actually assume that you are American when you make any kind of comment.

[@sauter1]

I would agree, especially on social media. Shortly after I deactivated facebook and all that crap a couple years ago, I realized that all the media circus about Trump, Biden, Occasio Cortez or whoever the hell, had been occupying more of my mental bandwidth than what was actually happening in my country..lol

[@GarganoGambino]

A very small population of Brits have actually traveled to America and get all they’re information and romantic ideas from viewing American TV sitcoms, movies and news channels! …..they assume because both are English speaking countries and one was born from the other, that they are the same; they are definitely not! I was guilty of this same mindset, but after living in NYC and later Houston TX for a number of years, I had had my fill of the United States and haven’t been back in almost two decades!; and no desire to in the near future!

[@GarganoGambino]

@@jahe702 not a potshot at the states, lovely people, especially in Houston, but didn’t care much for the food, especially in NYC! …..they obviously do European cuisine but everything taste different due to ingredients as certain regulations are different and recipes are Americanised etc! …..it’s a misconception that it will be the same a the U.K. or Italy due to being distant cousins but in reality, it’s a completely different continent, never mind a different country and this is exactly the same with politics! Not sure about today but before I went to Houston I thought there was a massive racial divide between blacks and whites due to what I seen on TV but never seen any of that when I was there! …..one of my memories when I first arrived in Houston was being with my wife and one year old son in a grocery store; there were to large black women on the checkout who were amazed by my accent and when thy seen my son they went and took him out of his pram and stared hugging and bouncing him in they’re arms! …..I also had my first encounter with Hispanic and Latin people and today I still absolutely love they’re music and culture! …..why is nice things not in the media, why only the negative; I just refuse to accept the MSM’s game of divide and conquer as I have witnessed first hand that there are more nice people then bad and not many people living in the U.K. will have experience this! …..even when Brits do travel to the States, it usually tourist destinations and not real America!💯

[@theinngu5560]

@@GarganoGambino yes shame that you mainly hear bad news on the media and for sure that really effects people’s mindsets. For some reason bad news is more exciting and good news is boring.

[@slypork5030]

You're being far to generous, most of the blacks making unreasonable demands have never been out of the country and when you really get an opportunity to talk to them they are not intelligent people. I know as I'm related to a few of them, got flak jackets and demands but no critical thought or sense of reason. As I told my cousin, "If I cut you in half the words "perpetual victim" would be stamped on your insides like a stick of rock."

[@davehallett810]

​@@jahe702I've been to America loads of times for holidays and I love it 👍 love from Liverpool England ❤️🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@SCARRIOR]

@@davehallett810 Have you been anywhere else?

[@lokitus]

Woke American ideology may not translate well into British culture, but that ExpressVPN ad totally translates into American humor!

[@Slumbert]

It's odd. Here in Denmark we only had one public service left propaganda TVchannel until 80s. And they didn't send much from USA. Mostly Columbo or something saturday evening. Records were expensive. Movietheatretickets were expensive. Books in library were Raymond Chandler etc. Comic books was mostly Belgium or French. So..... we were not influenced by USA extremely much. But left said constantly we were.

[@LeeGee]

Look at you now. Maybe the left weren't as wrong as you imply.

[@roising.3221]

Your journalists are better than British ones.

[@Slumbert]

@@roising.3221 they are disgusting both places. Their "educations" are a joke....

[@ArchieKeen1]

We’re importing American solutions, to American problems

[@dgh5760]

If anyone wants to be successful there is a recipe. Many people don't want to put in the work to be successful and think it is easier to get handouts and complain their life stinks and that it is everyone else's fault they are in the situation they are in. You get out of life what you put into it.

[@rosswalker3457]

Fascinating and informative as usual Fellas, wonderful guest 👏👍🇦🇺

[@JoeGatz1]

I am an American, I will never understand how American hood-culture got exported to Europe. You got Black-Brits, Black Frenchmen, Black Irishman, hell even probably a Black Pole, who live next to Hogwarts Castle pretending they're in the hood.

[@juliandarch9278]

Grow up without a father figure was the key

[@scottishblacklab]

in the usa thank democrats racism yep democrats kkk yep democrats ,,,fact check if you must

[@johnsmith-ik8il]

Yup, easier to manipulate emotional people.

[@Tengu125]

​@johnsmith-ik8il Indeed, liars have always hated a coldly stubborn stoic who doesn't change his opinions on a dime or lets himself be led astray by appeals to emotion.

[@johnsmith-ik8il]

@Tengu125 looks like they deleted your reply brother.

[@zackerythomas3675]

So far it has been a bit emotional for me whenever I hear a black person talking facts and making sense when it comes to the race industrial complex that has intensified its activities since the George Floyd incident and subsequent BLM riots. I become emotionally proud. Another point I would like to make is I think in this realm of discussions the term 'as a black person' holds more substance than when that term is misuse to justify and see racism everywhere and in everything. I definitely would be watching that episode of Triggernometry.

[@macahdahma7382]

"Race industrial complex".....💯

[@leex648]

Yep, totally agree

[@PropagandasaurusRex]

I really hate the word "racism" because these days you can be called a racist for anything, but what annoys me is that now, when "we white people" after centuries are finally ready to accept black people as equals the paradigm of racist victimization is being revived again by the woke mob. Add to that the "other" discrimination, those of muslims, Asians and since recently Russians, and one might start to think it is compulsory to hate at least one ethnic or ideological enemy and preferably more. That also is typical American, because they see EVERYTHING in life through the zero-sum lens of Us vs Them.

[@nuhuhassan4090]

Excellent interview... excellent. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🙌

[@MlTCH]

A very intellectual and engaging conversation.

[@FrancesAn23]

I would like to obtain Owolade's book. I've admired his columns in New Statesmen and UnHerd. This is the first time I've seen him speak. He comes across as a very sharp, intellectual gentleman. I shall be following more of his work with great interest.

[@LadyGamerLoon]

To me it's always funny when people talk about colonialism and Asia is completely forgotten . They colonized parts of Europe and the Middle East too yet everyone forgets that... even google, since you have to be specific in searching or look through the British stuff first . Then they say there is no narrative 🙄

[@fritolaid6805]

Mughals and Japanese colonialism

[@amandacos3280]

So good! Very very enlightening. Thank you Tom!!

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[@carlodefalco7930]

Thomas Sowell has been saying all of this and more , with facts to back it all up for at least the last 30 years mn ..

[@anomietoponymie2140]

Very interesting and especially for non UK people like me (French) who don't really know, at least not first hand, about the different immigrant groups in Britain and the relationships and differences between those groups. In France, the Romani kids in school are also at the bottom in school achievement and are at the bottom of the bully pecking order, to such an extent that when I was teaching it was an insult among kids to call someone (who is not Romani) Romani. Are the Romani considered "white"? I don't even know. And who does or doesn't consider them white and why? Who is considered white by whom in what place and time has always been very confusing to me. As for our black population, we also have black people from the Caribbean, the French islands, who are and have been citizens for... a very long time as well as Africans mainly from French West Africa and I do know that they don't always have the best of opinions of each other. Here, the racial- social hierarchy, if that is the term for it, and unlike in the United States, is determined not simply by colour but also by religion, with Muslim background being respected less than Christian. These are very broad brushstrokes that I'm reporting as any given recognisable group breaks down into further groups with different social statuses. Owolade's book is timely and I hope it will be read widely.

[@del-see-oh]

All I can say is that the US lives rent free in too many minds.

[@elephantintheroom7102]

I was doing some research on the Internet. The Black Prince was an ancestor, to me and probably another half a million other people scattered across the world. I found several recent entries claiming that he was black, when he actually just had black hair. I have another ancestral family member, brother to my female ancestor, who was known as Black Jack …for his black hair. There are paintings of him, a clearly white man. Again, he has been co opted into evidence of black people in Britain. He lived in the mid 1500’s. I find it so depressing that the internet is so inundated with these lies. Wouldn’t care if I had any black ancestry, but ill-informed people with an agenda, changing actual history, is doing nothing more to me than viewing them as crooked, dishonest usurpers, who clearly want to wipe out any memory of a long history of white civilisation who built a cornerstone of Western civilisation in Britain.

[@user-hb4ld1dp4d]

We were told at school that it was just because he wore black armour.

[@tabbymrp]

While listening to this, I just saw one of the banners on BBC front page today “A celebration of black culture and contribution”, it makes me wonder whose idea it was originally to group people by “skin colours”? I am Chinese, I am tired of being categorised, apart from some physical appearance similarities shared between me and other Eastern Asian people, I don’t know what make people think I ought to have more things in common with other random Chinese or Japanese people than my Muslim Libyan friend who was my ex colleague, ex housemate, who I know over two decades, despite not living in the same continent anymore but still keep regular contact with? “You guys should be grouped together because you all have a skin colour” is just ridiculous

[@fritolaid6805]

And Chinese can often be whiter than southern Europeans

[@joshrobinson506]

A few months back there was a horrible situation in Memphis TN USA that was blamed on racism. Four black police officers beat a black man to death. They were initially defended by their black supervisor and their black police commissioner. When it became overwhelmingly obvious that they had acted with extreme misconduct and should have been dismissed from the force and brought up on charges they then blamed it on racism. Even though everyone involved was the same race. It makes me feel a little insane.

[@user-dq3xw9cv3e]

The Western world needs an indigenous rights movement. Our homelands need to empower real Western peoples over foreigners.

[@lamson8349]

That already exists 😂 Ever heard of Nick Griffin, Tommy Robin, Nigel Farage? The question is, “why is such a movement already viewed as fit for nut jobs?”

[@Harkness197]

NZ is the same! People went nuts about Trump, actually unhinged and its like 'yo, hes not even our president/prime minister'

[@rhin0414]

Read his book and he’s absolutely right 👍

[@tplon63]

Fascination discussion with Tomiwa. I wish the presenters (especially KK) would have let Tomiwa speak without interrupting or colloquialising what he was saying so as to maintain the depth and knowledge of the points he was making.

[@trailertrish2587]

The paralyzing fatalism is universally harmful. People are doomed if they believe it

[@rixterz11]

It's so important that you made this video because I noticed this issue and commented on it among friends a few times. Glad others are seeing the issue of importing such a diseased country's mindset on so many things.

[@januarysson5633]

As an American I defend the right of other countries to remain ethno-states if they so choose. Not every country needs to be a reflection of America.

[@richardhart3290]

Not sure how this comment relates to this discussion. All Western European nations and especially U.K. are multi ethnic and multicultural .

[@elizabethanthony3916]

​@@richardhart3290it might be now but hasn't always been.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Many have been for thousands of years, it's only the last 30 or so that things have started to change.

[@funkyskypilot]

@@jonbaxter2254That’s not true. Mass immigration to the UK has been a thing for 60-70 years, particularly among Caribbean and Pakistani people. However, you are correct when you say that it has accelerated in the last 30 years but the primary issue in the current wave isn’t race; it’s religion.

[@christinerussell113]

​@funkyskypilot Just to point out that in relation to the very long history of Britain, the last 60-70 years is a mere pin prick. Certainly, the rate of immigration has speeded up dramatically during the last 30 years, for which we may thank Blair, but I, can still remember growing up in a London that was overwhelmingly white. Now, we are fast becoming a minority.

[@shauny2285]

A country with so few problems of their own, they need to import problems from other countries and cultures. Sad.

[@darugdawg2453]

few problems lol. woke shit came from european culture. even after brexit uk is still connected to eu culturally

[@cupcake8867]

Mass immigration is the root of the problem everything else is obfuscation.

[@stefansoder6903]

What a clear thinking and well spoken young man Mr Owolade is. Hope to see more from him in the future!

[@peckhamprincess7098]

I am white & live in Peckham all my life. LoL, shout out. Love Peckham ❤️

[@jayturner3397]

Back in '60s there was culture clash between African & west indies over here, and indeed between carrabean islands, I was surprised at the demographic expressed re African immigration here now..wow

[@markpayne2057]

As someone who worked in very multiracial environment at Heathrow for many years, I can reinforce something your guest said about the differences between the various black communities. We worked in teams of seven, were we got to choose who was on the team. So we had all white teams, all Muslim teams, all Hindu and Sikh teams, and a lot of mixed teams, what we didn’t have any all black teams, ether when all the blacks were from the Caribbean community or later when we had a far mixed black workforce. Note the reason that there wasn’t a black Caribbean team was cricket, as they all came from different islands in the Caribbean, come the cricket season especially if Jamaica was playing against Barbados, it could approach WWIII in the rest room. Later there was major difficulties with the African and Caribbean communities, and one lot referred to the other as slave babies who were mixed up with whites, and thus not pure. While the the other community called the others slavers, saying your ancestors sold my ancestors to the British. While the others would get into disputes between those from the East and those from the West, as they had completely different views and religions.

[@Zebra66]

The UK has become too weak and pathetic to tell the truth about anything. If someone moves to your country and starts complaining then tell them to leave. These false allegations of racism only lead to real racism because people get sick of their BS. A little reminder than they came uninvited and to drop the attitude is appropriate.

[@cindilouwho8681]

Ethnic minorities are extremely prejudicial of other ethnic minorities. I’m Cuban (living in the States) and most people in my country cannot stand hispanics from South and Central America. The only times I have experienced what could be construed as “racism” in this country has been from other hispanics and black Americans 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jonbaxter2254]

I despise how the American culture war has reached Europe.

[@londonman8688]

what was missed in the discussion was that many of the Africans who came to the UK. their families were involved in the slave trade. Caribbean's and Africans don't get on. you were either sold as slaves or you did the rounding up and selling

[@goldenvulture6818]

You meant to write "Caribbeans"(plural)

[@nzubeokafor6692]

What do you mean?

[@goldenvulture6818]

@@slypork5030 You meant to write "by no means unique"

[@tazzy4624]

I'm going to assume your a low iq racist white dog kisser but wtf has slavery got to do with anything. Not every black persons ancestor was a slave or even if they were gives a damn about that as that didnt affect them the way it would their ancestors. And caribbeans and africans do get along especially if your apart of the same race the cultural differences are their but their is no actually beef. Maybe your projecting the fact that southern europeans as well as other countries (latino) generally dislike white brits.

[@johnh5424]

I'd argue the right in the UK has also imported 'solutions' from America, too, with the rise of free market fundamentalism, isolationism, and obsession with culture war issues over policy.

[@michaelt.5672]

Those ' ' are doing some heavy lifting there...

[@ZM-dm3jg]

It's not just Britian, it's Australia to

[@spiller68]

Really enjoyed watching this. Excellent interview and deep discussion

[@vikingsofvintageaudio7470]

First VPN embedded ad I've watched in full!

[@kenzo111]

Having being born in Malaysia (a ex British colony), and having studied colonial history in Asia - I can absolutely say that, as a Colonial power, the British did way better than the French in Indo China or the Dutch in Indonesia. Perhaps on par with the Spanish in the Philippines.

[@goldenvulture6818]

You meant to write "Indochina"

[@hassandiallo5326]

Who wrote the colonial history you studied?

[@rayF4rio]

@@hassandiallo5326 This is a valid and insightful point. Your eyes have been opened, now let me help you to see.... All history is written by somebody, therefor all written history is subject to the same distortions. Just look at how the Russia/Ukraine war is being presented in real time.

[@hassandiallo5326]

@@rayF4rio Looking forward to knowing who wrote the colonial history you studied, thanks for your comment.

[@rayF4rio]

@@hassandiallo5326 Didn't study colonial history and don't care about it. History is just a point of view of the past, unless you are just talking about names and dates. I'm focused on things relevant to my life today. But again, you make a good point without even knowing it...which is non of us really know who wrote history. I think that's called the power of the pen.

[@matthewhall8790]

It's so hard for me to grasp "lockdown." As an American living in Colorado and an essential worker, there was no lockdown for me. Really the only thing that slightly affected me was the short period of time that restaurants were closed, then also the slightly longer period of time when restaurants were take out only. The absolute worst part of the pandemic was that 2 concerts that I had tickets for were affected. Mudhoney cancelled their show and Pearl Jam postponed for nearly 2 years. States and municipalities all had different restrictions. In California, you could get arrested for going to the beach. In Colorado, our liberal Democrat Governor actually did an OK job, he encouraged us to get outside and enjoy the great outdoors. Grocery stores, liquor stores, and marijuana dispensaries were all considered "essential" along with all of us skilled laborers out there building America. The ironic thing is that I was building a call center for a tech support company that wouldn't be allowed to open because those people aren't essential. Great episode, again! Keep up the great work.

[@Tengu125]

Sweden didn't do quarantine, mask mandates, or mandatory vaccination, and we had some of the lowest numbers of deaths during the pandemic.

[@rachelcole6607]

In Jan 2021, our party of 7 was refused service @ a brew pub near downtown Denver, b/c 2 people in our party had left their face masks @ the hotel. The dining room was empty and we were all vaxed and up to date.

[@matthewhall8790]

@@rachelcole6607 it was definitely more strict in Denver.