Why Buy a FireBox Stove?

[@jimmclaughlin-ew8rd]

I love my firebox, but you make some really good points. One thing I liked about your video is your firebox doesn't look brand new. I can tell you have actually had fires in yours. So many videos I watch they are always using brand new gear.

[@Oldsparkey]

As the old joke about the Indian and the white man ,Indian make small fire and stay warm , white man make a big fire and roast. As a solo camper (backpacker ) a small fire is all I need. I have , for a long time, used the Firebox Nano Gen 2 in titanium. Recently switched to the G5 titanium firebox since it is more versatile. Group camping I use a big grill ( suspended over a fire ) when cooking for everyone. No we do not have a 7 course meal , just camping fare. As another old saying goes , It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools. As with anything knowing how it works and all the ways it can be used is tantamount to being more then successful with that item. One of the more pleasant aspects of life is that everyone does not like the same thing ( how boring would that be ) , variety is what makes life so interesting. Being the rebel I am ( using different cooking methods and items ) , I even cook bacon on a ( small titanium folding ) grill over the hot coals of a fire while coffee is perking in the pot , I call it my camping alarm clock since no one stays in the sack when smelling that combination. You say you have never tried bacon on a grill , it's delicious. As I like to say , different strokes for different folks. Now , I'm a non professional bum , retired Law Enforcement and a camper for most of my 81 years. Still have my double burner Coleman stoves ( yep 3 of them ) with assorted single burners including alcohol stoves. I go slow and stay in a comfortable camp a day or two so no hurry and the simple Firebox works for me in those situations.

[@MrMann703]

If you're cooking multiple items the long and short grills attach on the sides of the firebox and a fire stick for each acts as support when properly attached for what you sit on them and they can be used as warming shelves while you use the top to continue to cook. I just bought the gen2 5" full set for a good price since the firebox isn't a new to the market product any long the price has dropped which is why I never bought it when it was new. I have used other 5" twig stoves to feed multiple people it's all in how you do your cooking. I can have a fire going in short order and get water boiling without hassle and as someone who likes hiking I like the fact I don't have to make a full proper safe campfire if I don't plan on staying in a spot for any length of time I can pop out the stove get a fire going and cook with very little wood or effort without leaving a firepit behind when I move on. The structure design helps prevent warping which is common with twig stoves and long life makes it a better option out of this type of product. Just say you don't like or prefer twig stoves, for those who do like twig stoves, who understand how to use them and enjoy cooking the firebox is the king. I've spent a good number of years as a cook and I know from experience using these stoves you can feed more than yourself with them, your not going to cook steaks for four but you can cook a stir fry that feeds four no problem it's all about proper use for the situation at hand.

[@MotoGiant]

This is a pleasant and well thought-out response - thank you! I am interested in what you cook, as that might be a big reason for your success? I do plan on addressing the fire-pit idea very soon also, and I would like your reaction to that when it comes out also?

[@mtscott1]

Wow $200!!!!! For $200 you can definitely get a lot lizard to cook your dinner.

[@SurvivalNomad]

Watched your video on this stove a few years ago... too pricey imho. Took an old aluminum folding stove from Sterno and drilled a few more holes in it. Cost like $5. Added a sheet metal coal catch pan at the bottom and voila.... alabama firebox

[@MotoGiant]

You need to demo that Alabama FireBox bro? Come to the Camp n Cook in Texas!

[@TwoTubesADV]

The points you make only illustrate the Firebox stove does not meet your requirements for your particular style of cooking. Sure, the stove sucks for YOU. The stove itself does not, difference. For others, who bought the stove with the knowledge of what it is capable of, and presumably that's why they bought it, it is an excellent stove. Personal opinion of course 😁👍

[@MotoGiant]

For folks that bought the stove as a novelty, I would agree. But for folks that actually would like to cook, pretty sure many, if not most will be disappointed like me?

[@user-no1cares]

Wh1te man, big fire, lots of smoke, stand way back! 😂

[@garysbackroadadventures]

I have a similar type of stove. I've used it once. Mine was only about $35. I used charcoal when I used mine. I now carry the Zalderan camping grill instead of the twig burner.

[@farmkess1931]

You have a good point. I use the firebox as a backup in the event of a power failure. As a group you need a different burner than as an individual. It also has to do with the time you want to spend on making food and drinks. Gas burners do not always perform well at lower temperatures. It varies per activity.

[@rickeyvarga5432]

Agree with much of your points, I too own a Firebox. I am a moto camper as well, a lot of dispersed camping and I carry a MSR Whisperlite Universal as my primary means to boil water for coffee and cook, especially breakfast. There's no time in the morning to play around making a fire getting "hangry" waiting on coffee and breakfast! However, I still carry the Firebox on weeklong and lengthier trips for the occasional steak, burger etc or when I care to make multiple items and use both the Whisperlite and the Firebox at the same time. Sometimes while living off the bike one likes to switch things up a bit and theres nothing like a steak or fish grilled over an open flame! The Firebox is slim enough to easily slide into the side of a pannier or saddlebag, however, it's got some serious weight and I often find myself wishing it was lighter. I have tried the "Swedish Torch" method with success, but you really have to pack a few long burning fire starters to get the wood to burn even and proficiently. Would love to see a review and your thoughts & experience with the Zalderan Grill, I'm sure there are some advantages especially with the generous cooking surface. Until then, I'll keep the Firebox tucked in the pannier ✌

[@MotoGiant]

Seems like we are on the same page - and I am sure if you are sitting in the woods for a period of time, it becomes more useful. I did a short review of the Zalderan, and intend to do more cooking on it and more depth in the next few weeks - see what I have done so far here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX-vYZqKfrOjopo

[@rickeyvarga5432]

Thanks, I'm on it!

[@Liberty4Ever]

The Zalderan grill does look like the best solution for your moto camp cooking - free fuel, no constant twig feeding, simple, durable, large cooking surface for pots or meat over the coals. I'm still loving the alcohol stove for the cooking I do. It's tiny and lightweight. It fits inside my 2.9 liter titanium pot with room for all of my other cooking stuff and fuel. I can buy the yellow bottle HEET fuel line additive anywhere and it's methanol. I was at Home Depot and today and they carry it, and even if they didn't, they sell denatured alcohol in the paint department. HEET in the yellow bottle is available in most convenience stores, all car parts stores, truck stops, many grocery stores, etc. I upgraded from the 0.3 ounce pop can stoves that I built to the larger $13 Amazon version that is 5 ounces but allows me to carry enough alcohol inside the stove for a meal or two, it has adjustable heat output and the highest setting is much hotter than my pop can stoves. Alcohol stoves are lightweight, completely silent and odor free, and super simple to use. The fuel is readily available, easy to carry and pour from the little yellow plastic bottle and there is no heavy and expensive steel container like isobutane stoves (much as I like my MSR Pocket Rocket). The only down side for alcohol stoves is they don't work as well in cold weather, but most of my motorcycle camping is in warmer weather, and my last moto camping trip was early December in Indiana, it was freezing at night and the alcohol stove worked well for dinner and breakfast. To each his own. I didn't buy a Firebox for my large camping stove collection that I started in the 1970s. I did buy a Solo twig stove several years ago but I never used it. I think it's mostly for making coffee and tea at home when the SHTF.

[@zero-ol2nt]

I dont think camping is your thing. I have the freestyle, the 5inch and the nano. They all work amazing and the idea of using alcohol or canister is for quick and easy items and then use wood or lump charcoal for longer burns. Personally I love brining multiple fuel sources. I use trangia for coffee and then use lump charcoal to grill with and wood to cook other food in a pan that might take longer. The only way I could see your point is if you are just using the firebox for dehydrated backpacker meals but those suck once you start using these firebox stoves to cook real meals with. The freestyle is amazing because you can make it much bigger and use some hickory lump charcoal to grill up multiple steaks. No other camping stove is on that level.

[@MotoGiant]

Clearly you did not watch my video? I am a MOTORCYCLE camper, I will not be carrying alcohol, charcoal, or yard-grills. Since you camp from a car you can carry whatever you can fit in your trunk. Have fun burning your sacks of fuel in your box bro!

[@cbdyna]

@@MotoGiant Bahahaha. Why not carry alcohol? I am an MC rider and we both sit atop a tank fillled with multiple gallons of gas. Being an MC rider is exactly why I grabbed this firebox. Combine a firebox with a trangia and a small bottle of 91 ISO, and Im set for weeks with free wood as primary and the bottle of alcohol as backup in case every piece of wood is wet. Your jet stove goes belly up, and you are finding a store. Btw, dont you have to carry gas for that too?

[@mediocreman561]

I use a vegetable steamer from a grocery store and can easily make a small fire, or bigger one for 6 bucks and I got a small bedroll cook stand and can hang several pots and pans on this fire. I also have a Soto st320 stove for when it rains. The fuel for the stove changes on whether I want to carry a pill box stove which works wonders for when I forget the butane for the st 320.

[@MotoGiant]

SOOOoo many other options

[@craigsturman6661]

I have a firebox, but have only used it once. I still carry it as a backup because it folds flat and doesn't take up any room. If I run out of gas, I'm covered.

[@RoadDogSteve]

Out West it's usually a no fire restrictions camping. Only fuel stoves you can immediately shut off. Sometimes I can use a grill or fire ring in a developed campground.... Like you said, what's the point? I carry a isobutane canister and pocket stove. Problem solved.... thanks..

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

pretty much the only benefit is the thing creates an updraft and gives you a frame for a pot but a coffee can would do the same thing. but the thing is, you can burn small amounts of wood pretty efficiently, and more heat is contained vs open air

[@MotoGiant]

6-8 minutes of blazing twig fire, boils water pretty well

[@versatec1]

I made my own fire box and Cooked actually very successfully but I was using pre kindled dry pallet wood in one inch square X six inch long...as for on the move if the wood isn’t wet I could see to be more challenging...when boat camping I use gas and alcohol stove as a back up.😊...If the firebox was all I had I wouldn’t be sad about it, I’d make it work, but I Getz ya! 👍🏻

[@howardstang1918]

brought my firebox camping this weekend, never took it out of my backpack.

[@wowguy3562]

I really like my Firebox 5". I like how sturdy and well designed it is. I bought a small butane burner it works nice if I just want a quick meal or coffee. I enjoy getting out by myself and it works for me, now if I was in a big group I wold hope they would have some kit. I like cooking in one pot/pan. I see your point a simple burner works well, but this little stove does a lot really well, for me. I have not tried the Swedish torch or pellets yet, I have used twigs, alcohol, charcoal and gas

[@RangerPhantomSAS]

Yeah, it's a fun to use for certain situations. I've used other less expensive options (can't justify that high a price for my kit). Most of the time I cary a stove or cook on the ground in a fire ring using small compat grill, other times both. Like most tools there are times and places / positives and negatives with gear.

[@MotoGiant]

Fire rings are gonna be in an upcoming video - are they actually needed?

[@RangerPhantomSAS]

@@MotoGiant Yes, same kind of deal, I usually use rocks. Depending on the fire danger and or area (some locations require one). They aren't necessarily needed. Rocks and logs help with placing pots, grills, etc. more than anything.

[@mzritamarie4357]

Scout is approx. $25. I also got the Trangia. It saved me during a power outage and I cooked indoors. Sounds like you need one of those portable fire pits.

[@akadog6319]

I like my fire box, but it is too small. I use the Swedish torch method and it does work better, and I can cook longer but only one pan at a time. I bought the large REDCAMP and have often wished my fire box was as big, because the REDCAMP metal is too thin. I bought the FIREBOX for SHTF boil a meals. When I go fishing/camping I bring a heavy duty SS grill. This guy is right.

[@kingdingaling365]

I agree! I wasted money on one of these too. I tried the lot lizard method and I’ve never looked back!.

[@jkstephens2612]

Thanks for a honest review. I've been thinking about getting something like that. But like saving money

[@MotoGiant]

check out my video on the Zalderan Grill if you want to use free fuel

[@Standswithabeer]

yeah! I'm pretty much a veteran with these things; twig stoves, that is. I have made about 25 of them over the years. They are good for low-wood areas; they burn almost everything in the woods except rocks, lol, and if there is a fire ban, one can get by with a small twig stove. These stoves are time-consuming; if you need a meal in a flash, use a gas stove or an alcohol stove, which will require toting fuel with you. No matter what kind of success I have with them, the drawback is still One pot cooking at a time. I have made hobo-style, rocket style, gasifier style (the absolute worst twig stove on the market -- they eat wood like a continent of termites), and box style, like the Firebox. Tiny ones, regular ones, and big ones. *If you like a box stove with gadgets, then the Firebox is for you.* A little bit of knowledge is necessary to get the best result from twig stoves; actually, it's a lot, lol. The noteworthy thing I have learned messing with these things, is that it is not the stove that makes the meal, it's the fire and how you use it; even cooking on these box stoves requires you to get a good bed of coals inside the stove to do it properly. Only the '"less informed" cook solely with the flames -- although if one is just going to boil a cup of water, it's ok to use the flames for a down & dirty flash of boiling-water heat. (Also, if you know how to use a heat diffuser with it, a rocket stove can be used to cook with its flame; more on that later.) And not surprisingly, it takes about the same amount of time to get a good bed of coals in the box stove as getting a coal-bed in a campfire...so as you say, why not just make a campfire? Make a campfire just the diameter of the number and size of the pots and pans you will cook with... I'm old now, but I used to hike a lot. Having had a box or hobo stove in those days to cook my single pot of coffee, and an entree, on the trail with free limitless fuel, and all the time in the world to stoke it constantly, was ok; and no campfire to put out & clean up. But I learned pretty quickly that getting a meal with one of those things was going take over an hour, so I needed to start the process before I got too hungry, lol. Boiling water was quick, since boiling water is not "cooking", per se. I'm pretty good at cooking on one now, but I make allowances and reconfigure my cooking strategy to accommodate the one, constant-stoking burner. Even with the "Swedish Torch" thing, you still need to pop in some twigs occasionally to increase heat (like turning the burner up at home). My biggest trade offs are: 1) I use a larger, thicker, pot or pan for larger food, or when cooking for two. 2) when the fire is too hot (eggs! :)) I use a circular, perforated heat diffuser. Amazon, $8.95 & worth it. 3)*** turning the heat up and down goes like this: a)more heat? add more small wood to increase flames momentarily (don't actually cook only with flames) b) less heat? remove the pot or pan long enough to allow the food and the stove to cool down just a bit. c) very low heat? use the diffuser, and let the stove "die down" accordingly. *** if you were to accomplish this in a campfire, you would just raise and lower the pot or pan over the bed of coals. NOW...having said all that, be advised that you simply cannot accomplish all the above without having a good bed of coals in the stove; they establish the *base heat* within the stove. Takes about an hour. Me, when I light the stove off, I simply set the whole damn thing on fire and let it burn down, and nurture my bed of coals until I get what I want. So, what I'm doing is, heating up my twig stove in a small campfire, lol. The coals in the stove form the base heat, from which to start to really cook as if it was a "real" stove, which it is, but it comes without instructions! A word: coals are a special kind of animal. They don't burn with flame, but they continue to consume the wood with high, **steady** heat. This produces charcoal, then ash. A gasifier stove is famous for this. They consume the wood, causing pyrolysis (wood gas) to occur, leaving hot charcoal. They're essentially little charcoal factories, and do very well burning wood pellets because of this. It's the only way I now use my gasifier stove. It sucks if I try using twigs...too much work and fussing. So here's the thing. These box stoves are a bit of equipment that is not always the end-all, be-all, to every cooking situation, but they definitely are a worthwhile addition to your arsenal of cooking implements; they have their place. They require practice to use them comfortably. You just have to get used to every stove's idiosyncrasies. As the years go by, you will see, if you haven't seen already, that there is No One Tool To Rule Them All :). I like my home made rocket stove the best, though. I made it from you tube instructions, ten years ago. Three cans of different sizes nested together, one sticking out with a ledge in it. Easy to make, and almost cost-free. You start the fire inside, then push long-ish sticks into it horizontally. You can use very long sticks if you want a longer burn time. Heat regulation is good, and if you use a heat diffuser, it will be better. It doesn't collapse and weigh almost nothing like my titanium box stove, however. Once it gets going, there is no smoke. Continental Africa has used this stove for millennia, and it will burn anything combustible, like the box stoves do.

[@MotoGiant]

You sir, appear to be an expert. I am sure there is a place for these stoves, and I did leave some openings for those. Making coals should be the #1 reason for not using them, as that is THE most difficult thing to do in a box. The best bed of coals I have ever had lasted about 5 minutes, but moving coals in a firepit is VERY easy and fun too. Even amateurs can do it. I really like the Zalderan as an alternative, but I am always open to new methods - have you worked much with tripod cooking? My next adventure!

[@bradb2514]

I was mesmerized by the spinning fire box. Cool, man, cool! Light me another twig and pass it over, man. ✌️

[@wesleyguseman1468]

My friend and I had this debate a while back. I like twig stoves but for ease and convenience a butane stove is king for light backpacking plus it doesn't dirty up your cook wear. I made my own v shaped twig stove, I can cook on it, and I can put a 11 in ×4 in log in it. Use it mainly for a fire at night so I can be more stealthy.

[@ronbaker9971]

I’d like to relate a favorable point for twig stoves. I don’t have a Firebox, I do have a Bushbox XL. I use the Swedish torch quite often. The reason is this setup provides me an easily made (and long burning) small campfire with which to reflect on things while reading. I don’t cook on it but love the small luxury ambiance. Other than that, this video was spot on.

[@OldGuyonaBike]

I too like the idea of the twig stove and almost bought one but figured I did not want to deal with the cleanup and the minited cook space. Weight is not so much an issue with me.

[@MotoGiant]

I think your cook setup is far superior! Temp control and lots of space.

[@goose45015]

I use this and the Trangia. I use the gas burners so I don’t have to rely on twigs.

[@AnthonyBohorcus-p3p]

For Moto Camping, I Stick to Sticks Using a locally made 20-pound SS Gasification stick stove about the size of a 5-gal bucket, able to get a 6-Quart Dutch Oven from a COLD-Start Elk Stew Fully cooked 20-25 minutes, *First time using it, couldn't believe it! we heard the cast iron lid dancing, clanking, steam rolling out while still setting up camp 1-2 am, High Winds, Snow-Hail mix- Big sticker also made Cakes, Eggs, Sausage & Coffee- Could have also used 3 Burner 30,000 btu per-burner propane unit but had much more fun & less Equip. fussing - Very LOW Cleanup, No Propane Tanks, Gauges, Hoses & No Gear un-packing, breakdown, load & re-load to mess with. - Only use the little Firebox when Backpacking -

[@MotoGiant]

20 pound stove? Moto camping?

[@kevindonahue2251]

Zalderan grill looks pretty hard to use if there are any rocks in the ground (read everywhere) and likely to spill all or your food into the fire.

[@MotoGiant]

Totally. Not good for sticking in the rocks, but with rocks you can place the grill on top?

[@jamesonjabiru]

Unlike most facebook warriors, Ive used mine hard for years here in Australia. Im an expedition canoeist going into very remote places. The firebox is great for my application. Big fires arent necessary. I do understand that it may not be appropriate for the size of meals common in the USA.

[@MotoGiant]

Very curious: What are you cooking? Very interested in the long-term use, what kind of meals do you cook on this? Anything fresh? Please provide more detail?

[@jamesonjabiru]

@@MotoGiant I dehydrate a lot of things before I leave home and rehydrate in the field. Space and weight are a premium, and in Australia the bush is full of highly combustible material. An unconfined fire isnt always a good idea, but there is fuel everywhere. I also catch fish and cook them in a small 8 inch frypan. I use a folding saw to cut a stack of sticks about 1 inch thick by 4 inches long before I even light it.

[@MotoGiant]

@@jamesonjabiru respect!

[@toslow9045]

You are correct, I've bought a firebox and have never used it. Just can't see me carrying that much weight for a cooking option around on my bike.

[@bcamping1]

You can sell it to someone who wants it. Or leave it at some campsite.

[@toto29er]

Man! I have had mine for a few years. I do like it because I don’t have to built a fire pit but, have to recognize that it is a one burner kit. I enjoy using mine because when I am camping, I am not in a hurry therefore I enjoy making a small fire. I believe the are many other options like a small gas stove, but still you will have one stove unless you buy two stoves. For me the beauty of the fire box is that it is an all in one stove, making it a good thing even if you run out of fuel ando don’t want to make a fire pit. At the end it may be a gadget, but a nice gadget it is. I respect your opinion because it is well explained, but as a user of the Fire Box, I do enjoy using it. The other type of grill like the one you show, one has to be very careful so dirt does not get into the food, people walking around etc could make that happen. On another note I even use mine as a gas cooker. Regards

[@hoagiesherlin7732]

Of course i would like to see a video on it

[@hot5835]

It's worth every penny!

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

I absolutely love my Firebox stove. I take it out of the bag and just look at it sometimes. At some point I might actually light a fire in it but I don't want to ruin the shiny finish. ...

[@MotoGiant]

You should consider some flashing orange and yellow l.E!D's that will give you the ambiece without the mess?

[@unsafe_at_any_speed]

@@MotoGiant lol that's a great idea! Hope you are healing up ok fella. Take care

[@wyldstallyn2016]

the only twig stove I really love is a kelly kettle, and thats best at boiling water. nothing is faster, more efficient, working in the harshest conditions. when it comes to cooking though, the kelly kettle has the same drawbacks as any small stove with small cooking area.

[@MotoGiant]

it does appear to be very efficient, lots of folks rave about them too.

[@NorthWestMotos]

Don't forget there tends to be a burn ban during the summer months out here in the West. which is typically the time most people go camping. I'll stick with my propane stoves.

[@MotoGiant]

One thing I will never forget after dragging that damned stove all over the burning West !

[@aBluegrassPicker]

taking blood pressure medicine before I respond... LOL

[@philsoladine3998]

Skyemac stove $26 on Amazon

[@cbdyna]

Based on your reviews of the Firebox, maybe a jet stove, a 533 or even a big Blackstone grill is best for you. Traveling light is super key for me and I would imagine this is the target market for the Firebox, becasue besides its small footprint, it can burn anything from gel, to wood, to alcohol. It is a primary, backup and backup for backup heat source. 3-in-1. Oh, btw, I got my deluxe firebox kit for 79 dollars.

[@MotoGiant]

my solution is lighter than the firebox and works much better - watch the cooking part of this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5CqlIOOhqxrac0&lc=UgzYHxrlX1uVHBoRFcR4AaABAg

[@cbdyna]

@@MotoGiant Nice cooking gadget. Like it a lot. Might have to grab one. However, that pot, pan, cutting board and grill thingy is not a smaller footprint than my one mug for boiling on a firebox. You would have way more youd be able to cook at one time no doubt though.

[@MotoGiant]

@@cbdyna gonna have to make some hard choices with my pots and pans :( ...and I did have an explanation about my cutting board but it was long and boring - the one I use on the bike is 1/3 that size :)

[@cbdyna]

@@MotoGiant Something I thought about watching you use the grill plate- Ever think about using those metal toasting forks to rest your grill plate on instead of searching for sticks each time out? If you were to cut out the loop hand side on the Coghlans brand ones and maybe use two per side (Maybe even twist two together for each side), that would be small footprint deal for you. Anyhow, maxed out on storage, eh? What kind of bike you have and what area of the Country you ride from?

[@MotoGiant]

@@cbdyna Things are getting tight on all the bikes, and I am from Alabama

[@BrianBraaten]

I think I would agree with you on this

[@lonnclark7353]

Agree completely! also, we need more You Tubers showing the con's

[@MotoGiant]

no wealth in bad reviews

[@socom2173]

I just ordered mine 😆

[@Orlosthedruid]

Just my opinion and experience. I fish a lot on the Gulf Coast. Most of the time, I am on a pier, a beach, jetty, away from a coffee and donut shop by miles. I carry a small "twig stove" with me to make coffee and I actually do make grits with Spam. the fuel I use are charcoal briquettes. I carry a small bag, like a 1 gallon ZIPLOC bag full of fast start briq's, and I light 3 at a time and toss one in when I need more. I can get the exact same results with a 1lb propane bottle and small stove or a butane stove, I have them all. Just depends on what I want to do. Its all up to the person using it. 1 persons feelings towards something and their opinion of it is just that, their personal opinion.....it doesnt mean it wont work for anyone else. Isnt it wonderful we live in a free nation where we can all have opinions and voice them? To each their own.....HAPPY TRAILS !!

[@MotoGiant]

Very surprised at how many people carry fuel with these stoves? Since I spend so much time in the wilderness, carrying fuel defeats the purpose of my idea of a twig stove, but yes we are lucky to have choices

[@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438]

Amazing video!

[@kb9oak749]

You can put a propane/butane burner in it. Those little cans of fuel don't weigh all that much. Same with a hobo penny stove. Perhaps small stoves just aren't for you?

[@MotoGiant]

Perhaps listening is not YOUR thing - if I must bring other fuels, why do I need this box? Pretty simple question.

[@rondenniel2894]

I always just used 3 roxks and a barbque grill on top. Lobe my food smoked. To me that is the whole point.

[@mikeries8549]

I have a generator so coffee is easy and good. Have a grill. It's plenty big. We travel different.

[@MotoGiant]

different is an understatement :)

[@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078]

Hey I gave you a thumbs up because you explained why it don't work for you and that's why you don't like it. Most people get on here and just say this thing is stupid, don't buy it. if you do your dumb. I have the same stove and I still carry it depending on the weather and location. The best way I have found to use it is to find a log that is as big around as it is and split it in to 5 or 6 pieces. It lasts long enough to cook a meal on in a 12 inch skillet. Other than sliced potatoes and/or a real big piece of meat well done. If I'm using it I'll just cut up 2 logs so I can put a pot of water on after cooking so I can have hot water to clean up with. Now for COFFEE, I'm using my gas stove because I'm not pissing around with no kind of campfire and waiting around a half hour to 45 minutes to get my coffee!! I do have a smaller stove that a sterno can will fit in. I take that with me if everything is wet. It works for me.

[@MotoGiant]

Its funny, from most of the comments I have on this topic I can usually tell if people have actually used the stove for something other than boiling water pretty quickly. They NEVER talk about the things they cook with the stove, they simply tell me I am wrong - not why, just, that I am wrong. Sometimes I get comments like yours, basically, "it has it's place" - which I agree with. I would like more of a discussion like ours, and less passion and emotion - why do so many folks appear to have their identity tied to these things?

[@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078]

@@MotoGiant A little insight on me. I grew up in the flat land of a river that flooded most every year and next to a wooded marsh. I was doing bushcraft and survival skills before I even knew what they were. I started picking up books on that stuff in my 20's and realized, hell, I've been doing this for years. My first bike was a 1973 Honda CL350 Scrambler with the sissy bar. I put an all-terrain on the back of it and I was gone. I miss those days!! I am now 59 years old. I have camped, hiked and backpacked extensively. I've experimented in many ways with all 3 ways of camping, including stealth camping. But don't get me wrong, by all means I do not consider myself an expert on any of it. My ways, gear and ideas are always changing. I'm always seeing newer people with new ideas to me. So, I'm still a student. I don't do much backpacking anymore; knees and back are gone. I have come to love winter truck camping in state parks. There's no one around and the amenities make things nice for me. My other side of camping is with my wife. I bought her a 30-foot travel trailer. She calls it camping, I call it vacationing.

[@MotoGiant]

@@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078 sounds like we have a LOT in common - have you ever thought about making videos?

[@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078]

@@MotoGiant Yeah, a few times. But I know I would run in to the same stuff that made you make this video, and I just don't have the patience for people.

[@philsoladine3998]

Skyemac stove best twig, stove, easy to feed room enough for two pots

[@MotoGiant]

WOW! Less than a pound? How many burns have you had on yours?

[@philsoladine3998]

@@MotoGiant lots it’s great stove

[@philsoladine3998]

I have a fire box too like you said too heavy, and honestly have hard time keeping it going

[@Rpol_404]

You forgot one good use for it - emergency cooking (short term of course).

[@MotoGiant]

meh! if you have sticks you dont need a box for a fire?

[@teeflo2757]

I have ENJOYED a number of twig stoves but to be honest it’s mostly been because it’s a nice, self-contained way to enjoy a little camper’s TV staring into the fire. no damage to the ground, minimal risk of fire spreading, etc. that said if it’s taking you 10 mins to boil water for coffee I suspect you might be doing something wrong. my experience is that it’s more like 3-5 mins once you’ve got your fire going. 10 mins start to finish, maybe. as to cooking, no arguments, twig stoves are pretty limiting. good video, no need to bring hookers into it though, that’s not cool.

[@MotoGiant]

Self-contained - I get that. 10 min. or more to boil water, compared to 4 mins on a fuel cannister -"getting the fire going" is part of that. Hookers? Either you enjoy the company of whores, or you have no sense of humor - which is it?

[@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438]

Here's what I do: Make coffee as the last cook of the night, for the next morning. Then I drink it hot asap when I wake up, and make breakfast. Agree: yes cooking with twigs is kind of a fantasy. I use: I typically use a Dakota fire hole but recently I bought a $20 wood gas stove and a $10 40-lb bag of pine wood pellets, for cooking at home, cause gas is expensive. So far, decent. but.... I have to limit to 45 minutes of run time, a 6-8 inch cast iron pan, maybe my 10 inch one. I can only cook one thing per one stove, and it isn't really good for a heater fire. It's also hard to conceal and could potentially cause brush ignition. Dakota fire hole: never use your knife, use your e-tool. I can even make 1- large breather hole with a portable bellow (plastic bag and bernulli principle) with 2-3 burner holes, and the coals keep well, plus they keep you way warmer and can be concealed so well. I primarily use the Dakota fire hole. I am going homeless soon, though it's a call to adventure.

[@MotoGiant]

I have used Dakota pits before, and might have another deep dive coming up?

[@oscars4107]

Outraged from Surbiton UK 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MotoGiant]

Welcome Outraged !!

[@scottfergusson8411]

Have one and use it often and it’s works great , love it . Opinions are like assholes. The point of the stove is using bio fuels that can be collected as you are on the move. If you’re lazy , stick an alcohol stove in it . Retired Marine Semper Fi

[@MotoGiant]

So nothing I said was true? I am just lazy? Hmmmm.....

[@scottfergusson8411]

@@MotoGiant I have just about every type of stove out there. Each one can have a place. Like I said ….. it’s a BIO stove. All stoves have their pros and cons. It’s a bio stove I can set up and not need to build any fire pits , stack rocks to cook on, look for much larger sources of fuel to cook with, etc….. Unfold it , harvest some fuel, cook, eat, put the stove in my cargo pocket, carry on . Needs no extra anything. If I don’t need any cardio and want to stay in a base camp …. Gas has its place. My opinion is different than yours.

[@scottfergusson8411]

@@MotoGiant Sorry was not implying you are lazy….. that was a general statement for those who don’t want to feed it sticks.

[@MotoGiant]

so any stove is good?

[@MotoGiant]

@@scottfergusson8411 I loved the idea of feeding sticks, but it takes so much attention it is impossible to cook without a 2nd person - twigs are why I bought it?

[@brentbutikofer9055]

Hey Bro., Great thoughts. Here's what you need to do, if you wish to resurrect the usefulness of your Firebox stove. Buy the newly released Firebox gas burner. But wait, you say why carry a Firebox twig stove if I'm going to carry a butane canister? Answer, 1-Stability: Won't tip over and spill hot coffee on you...much lower center of gravity and a much more stable base. 2-Control: The knob to control the flame is not positioned dangerously under your hot pot, but instead on top of the canister. Why put your throttle hand under a pot of boiling water? 3-Dual purpose: With the gas burner and grill plate, you can grill a steak or double cheese burger on top...are you salivating yet? How do you do this using your pocket rocket? 4-Multi Trick Pony: If your canister leaks dry overnight, your trip is not ruined...what if you're riding in a remote area? No you can resort to twigs and save your trip. In essence, you get to use twigs, but you don't have to use twigs. All well planned expeditions utilize the principle of redundancy. Now, you can too. And finally, stay away from those lot lizards...grill a steak instead.

[@MotoGiant]

guessing you did not watch till the end?

[@brentbutikofer9055]

@@MotoGiant I did watch the entire video...did I miss something?

[@MotoGiant]

@@brentbutikofer9055 the last minute I talk about the new grill - solves EVERY single problem - no box needed

[@brentbutikofer9055]

@@MotoGiant Yes, I saw this. I'm referring to the new gas burner with diffusion plate (apologize if I didn't make that clear). This addition would allow you to have all the conveniences of a typical gas setup, but still allow for the advantages above I noted. BTW, I had no idea I was commenting on a channel so popular and extreme. I plan to check out a ton of your videos and truly admire the distance riding you've accomplished.

[@ptonpc]

You're a lot less likely to catch anything off the firebox compared to the lot lizard! I have a Ghillie Kettle (made in the UK) with the hobo stove and attachments to let you cook and boil water. While it suits my needs (along with a Swiss cook set at times) I don't see it being suitable for you.

[@MotoGiant]

like a Kelly kettle?

[@mottotravel]

Probably it doesn't suit your style/requirements of camping/cooking. Fair play. I feel no product is ever perfect. It all boils down to what an Individual's requirement is, and how much effort/time he wishes to spare for such activities. What I do is carry on my solo bike ride is a primus multifuel stove, a trangia with fuel bottle and firebox 5". I use them at different times for different purposes on same trip. That gives me so much flexibility and enjoyment at the same time. But of course it is my decision because I am ready to carry those extra things, some extra weight and sometimes extra effort too. Some of my friends just carry a gas stove. Which is absolutely fine. What matters is, what works for the individual as per his style. For you, feeding the firebox is pain and troublesome, but for me, it's relaxing and theraupatic experience. We both are right at our places. Just wanted to share this so that prople shouldn't misunderstand you and shouldn't use your template for themselves either. They should look at it as another user's sincere opinion about a product he has used personally and take it as a food for thought while deciding for themselves whether to buy and what to buy. Thanks for being honest, open and polite while stating your opinions. Respect and appreciate it. Cheers❤

[@MotoGiant]

The Zen of Fire - as you described, is real. I wonder if that is the big draw for the firebox? The flickering flames, the methodical rhythms of pushing sticks? Thanks for your comment!

[@remyllebeau77]

Mike Rowe warning into!

[@AquaTech225]

I did buy the firebox including the freestyle. But there’s not many stoves from twig burners to alcohol or multi fuels ect I don’t own. Habit. But the firebox is being sold may of been you that said. Steve is selling the lifestyle he’s showing a people are buying. Regardless if there even remotely living a similar lifestyle

[@MotoGiant]

Steve Jobs of Stoves for sure!

[@josh-bb9ht]

When cooking with wood, just build a fire on the ground and build up some coals... I abandoned my wood burning stove years ago...

[@MotoGiant]

if you are not using sticks, you still must process wood - hard to get coals from sticks :(

[@whuddle]

Firebox was another fun thing to try. But you better keep feeding them twigs buddy 😂 Butane, I needs my coffee now mister!

[@MotoGiant]

We should start a revolt, a movement - Union of Coffee Drinkers Against Twig Stoves - UNITE !!

[@ianbruce6515]

They shouldn't be called twig stoves--only an idiot would burn twigs in them! Use wood! You'll need a small saw, because it is hard impossible to break thick sticks to the correct length.

[@ianbruce6515]

Come on! Just take a small efficient saw. You don't need to do the Swedish torch --you just need thick sticks! Twigs are nonsense! Given that-- I built two Ikea hobo stoves for pennies. They work well, don't weigh much and a Stanley Adventurer pot, two coffee cups and a windscreen fits right inside the larger one. An Opinel saw of the perfect size fits in the knife pocket on my pants. Perfect set up! But I usually cook on the fire. I got a grill with folding legs because it was smaller than the kitchen stove shelf that I used to take--but has as much cooking space because it doesn't need rocks under the corners. I also made a gasifier stove from a thrift shop stainless steel double walled ice bucket. It's kinda nice in Fall in Maine, because it is large enough to make a lot of heat and smokeless enough that you can huddle right up close to it. I still used a campfire more.

[@MotoGiant]

@@ianbruce6515 campfire always for me now it looks like

[@mediocreman561]

I also think you should apologize for wanting to apologize, man.

[@MotoGiant]

I would like to apologize for not even THINKING about apologizing for not apologizing - so META !!

[@t-bone9403]

You paid $200 for that ???

[@MotoGiant]

Sadly, yes

[@dougfresh1341]

“controversial ideas and opinions” Meh. What’s new here? 😏

[@MotoGiant]

Dude, you have been around too long? Just wait - the outrage is coming - this is a rabid bunch of fanboys, they MIGHT get me cancelled?

[@dougfresh1341]

@@MotoGiant 🤣💥

[@bolleolympus]

👍👍👌👌✌✌😊😊❤❤

[@roliver7773]

Yeah okay, the stove sucks and yada yada....how much for the red head?

[@MotoGiant]

Destiny Does Dates for a very affordable $50 !!

[@BillAnderton-d8v]

Well I'm sorry to say if you spent $200 somebody seen you coming and ripped you off because the stove on Amazon is like 89 $if you buy it from the company it's only 94$ but everybody's different I actually like the little thing

[@MotoGiant]

I did buy my stove a few years back, before the Chinese started making replicas for $30, and I did get the big kit, which was all the alcohol gear too.