why can't AI draw hands

While Open AI's DALL-E 2, Midjourney, and Stable Diffusion are generating incredible images, they consistently share a strange flaw
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[@cinny1313]

Next question: why can't humans draw hands

[@Emma-dv2yh]

Same reason

[@whannabi]

Stable diffusion

[@FordRasmussen]

Yup

[@ajstudios9210]

Good question.

[@TXanders]

Phalanges

[@AllegoricSiren]

The only commonality between an AI and an artist is the struggle of drawing hands

[@merlinkater7756]

Temped to draw a robot and artist shaking hands but the hands are kinda wonky

[@chantekiddo2293]

So that means I'm cooler than AI cause I can draw cool hands sometimes 😎

[@koyint]

not anymore. with controlnet thw ai can draw hand as you feed them 3d structure (which fix the issue mentioned in the vid!

[@MenialTasksAF]

💀💀💀💀💀

[@theofthe2299]

i think there are more than that

[@TheSkyline77]

"Look at their hands" seems like one of those things you'd see spray painted on a wall in a post-apocalyptic video gane

[@aapp776]

Underrated comment😂

[@gemeosnosgames]

​@Doodle Hobbo 2 Video *gane*

[@ejynk]

@@doodlehobbo2142vibeo gane in real lyfe??!?

[@tomireland3644]

Agreed, or advice for dealing with the fae 😄

[@theoldworldkitten]

look at this guy's comment. He messed up the word "game"... maybe he is an ai too???????

[@llominous3495]

Mid journey has figured out how to properly make hands, we're screwed

[@joejoemars]

Now there's Sora, we are super-ultra-screwed

[@MechaDino51]

Y?

[@pianoforte611]

Human: "Can an AI draw a realistic pair of hands?" AI: "Can you?"

[@ferd3007]

Better than AI for sure

[@chantekiddo2293]

Yes, I drew some pretty cool hands this year :)

[@katanasharp2866]

I can assure you every artist are better at hands than AI.

[@SwordTune]

I can at least keep the right number of fingers.

[@transsnack]

Yes. I don't enjoy drawing hands, but it's a skill that I've drilled into myself to the best of my ability. Because that's what art is, the result of years of practice.

[@andcrafter4790]

imagine having deformed hands and people keep thinking pictures of you are ai generated

[@TragoudistrosMPH]

😢 lol

[@laurentiuvladutmanea3622]

I feel sorry for those with polydactyly.

[@1person69races8]

Sorry i laughed way too much than i should 💀 i will just bury myself to atone ⚰️

[@lunabell19]

Rip Stanford pines

[@tomaccino]

AI "art" 🤮

[@ElectricLimeade]

The really telling part about bad hands isn't just that they look wrong, but that an AI model will make mistakes drawing hands that no human would ever make. This is actually the case for a lot of things, and it all goes back to the point made in the video. Despite how well these systems can generate images, they do not draw from an underlying understanding of physical reality. They don't even necessarily understand that "the physical world" is a thing. The only thing they draw from is what they've seen in their training data. As beings that regularly interact with physical reality, we humans are extremely good at picking out the numerous ways in which these images consistently break the laws of physics.

[@Merilirem]

So clearly we need to make robots the AI can use to experience physical reality and learn from it so it can draw better.

[@screwyourhandle]

Well yeah, but despite our understanding of reality, we still tend to draw hands that look shitty and unrealistic in slightly different ways

[@SynthApprentice]

​@@MeriliremAlgorithms simply aren't capable of actual understanding, though, so that won't really help.

[@SynthApprentice]

One of the best ways to recognize AI art is to ask yourself if a human artist skilled enough to make the art would make the mistakes that are in that art. If you can render lighting that well, you should be able to get eyes to match.

[@stuff31]

hey, this is like in westworld (1970) where the robot residents of the theme park are only identifiable because their hands aren't quite humanlike. life imitates art!

[@sheykenasababy]

I read this as "why can't AI throw hands ?" and I was very excited to learn why I could probably beat up AI in an Applebee's parking lot.

[@corrinflakes9659]

Can we gang up 🥺👉👈

[@EnneoLeo]

NAH, SAME!

[@a.s.vanhoose1545]

Specifically Applebee’s 😂

[@RyanSoltani]

Don’t know why it’s at an Applebee’s specifically but hey you do you

[@sheykenasababy]

@@RyanSoltani Cause I'm not built for scrapping at a Waffle house or a Denny's.

[@michaelpineiro533]

unnaturally smooth, shiny people, with 16 fingers on 2.5 hands.

[@localdruglord550]

and the dramatic light-shade contrasts lmao

[@soup5344]

They just like me fr

[@suryakiranharidas5756]

that would be true like 1 month ago but new code has fixed basically everything

[@sillycheese301]

That sound like a good horror game. Ai generated people are taking over the world, the only way to tell them and regular people apart is by their hands.

[@Jx_-]

I knew I wasn't the only one who sees that AI images have this "buffed" look to them. As if you took a buffing machine and polished them for hours

[@jeffthemagicalpufferfishco9006]

Some more things ai struggle with is hair, background, wind, and emotion. Ai tends to be trained on smiling faces with a white background and low wind. This means when ai does try to draw something with wind or a background it gets confused and can't understand how it's supposed to be placed 2 dimensionally. They also seem to have trouble drawing sad or angry faces

[@plant_12]

It's something so poetic about ai not being able to draw hands. We make art with our hands, that's what makes it art and that's what gives it worth, and ai makes art without meaning and with hands more fucked up than any imaginable eldritch horror.

[@chaosmonkey1595]

1 Day after your comment Ai learned how to draw hands.

[@ko-Daegu]

AI can still draw great heck excellent hands not always and depending ont he model and picture to be drawn

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

@@chaosmonkey1595 It did not learn. The developers behind this conundrum just added the posibility of incorporating constraints in the process, as "additional steps".

[@dougg1075]

Hands and the other eye. Scourge of the universe , even for AI

[@zackbuildit88]

This is a couplet

[@Baronnax]

@@zackbuildit88 It's also (almost) a Haiku. Exactly 17 syllables.

[@zacktherandomweirdo]

Also hair, especially in more stylized style

[@zackbuildit88]

@@Baronnax technically it is, but the lines are really ugly and not aligned with the breaks in the message

[@aliceslab]

@@zacktherandomweirdo im pretty good at drawing hair, but hands and the other eye has me stumped lol. even feet i cannot get without making them small feet.

[@maevem316]

The only think that comforts me as an artist looking at AI drawings is that no matter how shitty my hands may be, they're never worse than these monstrosities

[@s3m1f64]

wait 3 years

[@revolution1237]

It'll be a matter of time before AI art is also good at drawing hands, no matter how shitty they are.

[@kuronblue]

Ye me too

[@randomtinypotatocried]

@@s3m1f64 I say give it a year

[@thetruebt7274]

Not for long...

[@JJAG3]

Honestly the copyright issue of ai images is like the least of the problems with it

[@laverna17]

You know what, as much as ai scares me. I'm glad we all have an agreement that hands are hard to draw. Whoever can draw hands, I salute to you lol

[@xxx_putin_has_a_flaccid_pe5374]

Imagine in the future, people ask you to send a pic of your hands to prove you’re not a bot

[@wladfan]

​@Gol Acheron we're all robots

[@tteqhu]

@@yasueyoum1631 they couldn't develop ai to detect them 😭

[@Antonio-wh8lh]

Or a captcha to ask you to identify if hands look right

[@zephyrias]

This is the best comment thread everrr 😂😂😂 captcha options are😊 gold

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

Or produce the right gesture to be scanned. Secret handshakes are coming back!

[@sarahloffler]

This is so poetic. Ai is unable to make hands. Hand made things are precious.

[@notaburneraccount]

💜

[@calicust]

or it hasnt had enough training on what hands look like. lmao

[@sarahloffler]

@@calicust it’s had plenty of training. We trained it.

[@amogus8805]

Its quite poetic but i give it at most 10 years before ai can draw hands perfectly

[@yeet1066]

The fact that the first art humanity made where handprints, something ai struggles with

[@Khadeeen]

Midjourney is getting really good at doing hands now and getting better

[@igif2008]

I like how the camera angle changes so often

[@kaidochiin3099]

AI really said: once I know how to draw hands it's over for you bitches

[@ally939]

I’ve also been known to say that

[@Roserae16]

underrated comment 😂

[@xylophone_8888]

and how to draw actually alive looking people and long hair and natural looking skin and black people and symmetry and earlobes and other small details

[@yoro__33]

damn ai is just like me fr

[@improvingdoomer3110]

​@@xylophone_8888keep coping

[@charliepea]

Better leave AI to be oblivious to hands. That way humanity can still have superiority and intelligence over them.

[@amogus8805]

Unfortunately, Roko's Basilisk

[@BassKittehz]

I would definitely not say that we have superiority or a higher "intelligence" - but I also see as AI as potential, not as a risk.

[@ferd3007]

Well you can't call it "intelligent" either

[@tuttosalve8352]

AI can do a lot of things we can do and do a lot of them better, but there is nothing behind the AI. No drive and nothing to process them. It is a tool we have created however alarmingly complex.

[@tbqhwyf]

The AI that we have is not the kind of AI that you see in movies such as Terminator, and it will take a looong while before we have that kind. AI is a tool and it can't just become self conscious. Because of that, a more realistic "AI taking over humanity" is Auto from Wall-e: a human giving an order to the AI, and the AI performing the order perfectly as intended by the person.

[@BlackEpyon]

That's about what I figured. It's like in video games or movies, you can tell when a prop was designed by somebody who didn't know what the actual object is supposed to be or how it works.

[@Anonymous_Frog257]

Gonna become a master hand drawer so that our robot overlords will still find me useful 😊

[@goodguyamr6996]

AI trying to draw hands is horrifying, thank you for this Sabrina

[@queencepha]

my favorite thing was when someone asked an AI to draw a human hand with 6 fingers and every output was a human hand with the normal 5 fingers

[@absolutehuman951]

Because AI can't really count, duh!

[@ndktruc2671]

@@absolutehuman951 fr

[@dragontee420]

FYI Midjourney V5 was just released and it can draw hands much better than it could before (at least it draws 5 fingers on one hand consistently)

[@ionblade0828]

Recently the A.I I use has made some convincing hands

[@sodapaula]

As an artist who is struggling with drawing hands, at least I know that even AI can’t draw them.

[@Kwauhn.]

_Yet._

[@softlocker5941]

Some have alredy learned

[@aaweshkumar6754]

AI can't draw hands but u sure can perfectly loop this video lol

[@oess855]

It can

[@sashamurashi225]

therapist: AI hands are not real, it can't hurt you ai hands:

[@Im0nlyHuman]

Bro these AI hands lookin like that “embrace” statue

[@garlicbread1575]

Hands are our only safeguard against Ai replacing artists, the only clear solution is to grow a 6th finger in order to confuse AI even further

[@s3m1f64]

wait 3 years

[@bass2762]

just make AI think that humans have 6 fingers on each hand. Easier solution and faster to implement

[@_-insertname-_]

Follow lines! Ai can’t properly separate small lines, AND most people don’t bother zooming in/Staring for more than a sec, so these images tend to be full of tiny melting lines.

[@xylophone_8888]

imagine actually thinking that a lifeless uncreative machine is superior over an actual human mind 💀 honestly the sole fact that ai was made by humans will keep ai less valuable than humans no matter how advanced it is (imo)

[@xylophone_8888]

​@@_-insertname-_ yup ai images always look like they're made out of play doh

[@o3o926]

spelling “HANDS” in ASL alphabet was really creative, sweet touch

[@Emerald29]

Recent ai technologies can actually draw hands really well

[@Me-sl8fx]

“don’t worry, buddy, we struggled with that for a long time too.” “how have you overcome this challenge, human?” “pockets”

[@noahlani6480]

Holy crap I never realized how far AI has come until I’ve seen those images. They look so real at first glance it’s terrifying

[@morshu8267]

and that's the meh ones the good ones while not perfect are way better ex see stable diffusion or midjourney subreddits

[@ko-Daegu]

Have u been living under a rock for past 14 months or something Also mArch 16 Midjournh v5 was released and yes it can draw perfect hands

[@youraverage10yearold]

you might have just helped me an insane amount with that thumb drawing

[@carafurry7862]

Takes a lot of time to learn the art of hands, but once you stop hiding them behind your back, it gets really easy.

[@HAVENTYOUPPLEVERHEARDOF]

The Wilhelm scream in the background 😂

[@_ch1pset]

Not that AI works like people, but it's interesting that hands are notorious for being one of the most difficult things to draw and AI also has problems drawing hands.

[@namedrop721]

Because the training images are off human drawings or 2D photos, duh Basically replicating the human problem when drawing hands I’m more worried about ideals we hand down like ‘some humans are worth more than others’

[@Kwauhn.]

@@namedrop721 Tbf, there's also shitloads of photo references in their training data. But yeah, the "human equality" aspect is kind of scary, because data sets are definitely _not_ infallible when it comes to representing equality.

[@ImDaRealBoi]

If there's one thing AI and actual artists have in common, it's that it's a fucking pain to draw hands

[@GippyHappy]

It’s not the only way, but it is the most obvious way. There are still some places where AI fails. Often the lighting and finer details like accessories can have weird amorphous shapes that are a tell on an AI

[@McSkellyHo]

Thanks for mentioning that the images are used without permission

[@DustyHoney]

Thank you for mentioning that many artists’ images were used to train “AI” programs without permission.

[@impish_snake3526]

People have had their medical images stolen as well.

[@BassKittehz]

and how many artist's images were used to train human artists without permission? how many artists started out by drawing warrior cats, disney characters, their favourite anime heroes?

[@impish_snake3526]

@@BassKittehz AI doesn’t take inspiration, and it can’t create original art. It can only copy photos and paste together pieces to fit prompts. It’s not a 14-year-old drawing a Disney OC. AI will copy everything-right down to the watermark. A human will just become inspired, create something new, evolve to draw in different styles.

[@Merilirem]

@@impish_snake3526 This just isn't true. AI is figuring out the rules we build art upon even if we don't understand them ourselves. Its not copying the art, its calculating it. The watermark is just the AI thinking the watermark is a part of the art because it can't know better yet. Like an artist who doesn't know what a watermark is so they do it themselves when they draw their own art.

[@impish_snake3526]

@@Merilirem AI “art” could not exist without human art, whereas humans have been making art for thousands of years. Bears drawn in caves, both realistically and then in the abstract, afterwards, as an evolution of expression. In your eagerness to defend lazy theft, you would anthropomorphize a machine. AI is not a human, it is not expanding upon art and art theory and technique. AI isn’t even animal-it doesn’t paint what elephants paint, with a joy of color and shape. It doesn’t arrange flowers and pebbles like birds because of personal pleasure or some desire to exhibit. AI cannot make decisions, cannot have morals (maybe someday in your wildest sci-fi dreams, but not today. Not now); there is no intent behind it but to copy, to fulfill the prompt with the most likely answer. So if it’s not created out of joy, or passion, or feeling, how does AI count as art? Because it makes an image? It take no technique, or feeling, or skill-it does so effortlessly because that is its design. It is a party trick: an instant image made from a sentence you spewed out. It’s Pictionary designed to be perfect. What makes it art? That it looks cool? You could say that of even the least-skilled painter; at least their work had some effort to it. AI is Art to you because it is realistic, almost impossibly so, or because it is a good dupe. Because it is instant, because it is a copycat making pale imitations.

[@user-vk2gz2dl9p]

I mean, it's not like humans can either lol

[@GamingintheAM0801]

There's that comic strip someone drew where a guy meets the physical manifestation of his "perfect artistic potential," and everything looks incredible. But then it tells him to "take my hand," and the hand still just looks like a deformed blob. As someone who's been drawing since preschool... yeah, hands are always a pain in the ass.

[@ZT1ST]

​@@GamingintheAM0801 I was expecting the answer to be "Because AI is trained on human art output, and human art specifically also avoids drawing hands.". Which is, like, half of the problem for their data sets.

[@nadiarey4196]

​@@ZT1ST It's also probable the AI uses photos. And the reason somebody would take photos from hands (other than stock photos) might literally be a medical condition

[@lonestarr1490]

@@nadiarey4196 Nah, not really. There are gazillion of stock images of perfectly normal hands (just like there are gazillion of stock images of anything basically). The issue is more likely in just how many different _poses_ there are for hands. You guessed it: it's a gazillion. Thus, while you might have a lot of training material for hands in general, you don't have that much training material for a given pose.

[@saix_unicorn]

@@GamingintheAM0801 one time i was simply pacticing drawing hands, i watched tutorial, i use references, and now most of the time i don't need references to draw hands and i actually enjoy drawing them

[@lavanderr_menace]

A.I. be like: ✨Hand aesthetic✨

[@-Scrapper-]

maybe our spider sense tingles when it's wrong but we also definitely can't draw them

[@lynx9373]

I just wanted to say that the seamless video looping is a really good detail, and I like the effort put into it. Love the shorts, love the long-form videos.

[@ridwanmujahid2316]

Every artist: maybe I'm an A.I.

[@Kwauhn.]

That would require way too much self awareness for the average DA/Tumblr artist haha. The philosophy of data processing is wayyyyyyy outside the scope of someone who's trying to make money off of comissions on social media. That's not a dig on them though, more just an observation of the unfortunate conflict between AI and the art industry. Your comment is basically the uncomfortable question a lot of artists are asking themselves right now, and the answeres vary _a_ _lot._

[@Microtonal_Cats]

Funny because in the 70s sci-fi movie "Westworld", hands was how you told robots from humans.

[@jemjem461]

Ah yes, the thing me and A.I. have in common is that we can't draw hands

[@Aviedya]

“Often without permission” nearly exclusively without permission

[@Astolfo1280]

And when u find a refrence photo do u ask for permission💀

[@Aviedya]

@@Astolfo1280Damn you right, human creativity and a randomiser machine work exactly the same

[@Astolfo1280]

@@Aviedya not what I was trying to say but ..ok

[@0Drimii0]

​@@Astolfo1280 a human brain and an ai don't work the same, a human will analyze the image, use it to draw something properly but adding own knowledge and style into it, while ai will just grab the image and use it for what it needs it for, often mutilating the image itself

[@Astolfo1280]

@@0Drimii0 and?

[@thetableoflegend9814]

As someone currently in an AI class where we talk heavily about data, privacy, and ethics, thank you for incorporating things like how a lot of the data was taken without informing the owners! It’s very morally grey.

[@group555_]

This is just another case of automation. When labour jobs got replaced a lot of similar arguments came to light. At the end of the day the ai is not using the art like some puzzle. It is not copy paste. It only examines the patterns. To say that that is a problem is to say that any artist inspired by any kind of other art has to name all of them at the bottom and have permission to use that work. You like shading the same way some comic book artist does? Well you better ask him for permission on every piece you create no matter who sees it where you use it.

[@group555_]

@@yasueyoum1631 so by your words inspiration is stealing. You better have a full lists of permissions for every style you ever used. Just cause you don't like it doesn't make it stealing hon. This argument has happened every time automation came up and automation has always won.

[@group555_]

@@yasueyoum1631 exactly, and ai isn't stealing. Cause it's not copy pasting or tracing. It is not taking pieces just the ideas. Same as any human that isn't tracing would

[@hahahahahahahahaa6580]

​@@group555_ I feel like there's a vital difference between "taking inspiration" from someone and "mashing their art into a collage of other images and calling it your own without attaining permission from any of the original artists."

[@group555_]

@@hahahahahahahahaa6580 i agree. Good thing an ai image isn't a collage. It does not copy paste

[@bumbalaaa]

When you add negative prompts like “deformed hands, extra fingers, misshapen limbs” etc. it largely fixes the issue

[@sessashyinuio6463]

Thank you for mentioning the permissions. So many of these images are made without concent

[@EvoWatches]

You can’t get by with that Wilhelm. I’m onto you.

[@naomif9964]

I feel for you, AI. Hands are basically impossible. Any non-generic posture and I have to redraw them at least 5 times

[@venti1602]

I love drawing hands as an artist, being able to pose hands makes my art seem so much better since i no longer have to hide them awkwardly or draw them in the one singular position i could draw.

[@litecyborg3248]

My name is Yoshikage Kira My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

[@jacobcox6144]

It should stay like this as an easy identifier for ai art

[@revwuzhere666]

"..and often without permission" 😂

[@group555_]

You don't need permission to look at art though. They should stop whining

[@jacobmelena9116]

@@sera7500 this is legit an awesome analogy

[@group555_]

@@sera7500 that is a terrible analogy. That is the leaking of someones personal info with likely massive theft following it. This is nothing like looking at art A better analogy would be being inspired by another artist and then having the artist go pissy over your art being inspired by them.

[@mauirandall8176]

​@@jacobmelena9116 how about "You wouldn't steal a car"

[@chrisjfox8715]

​@@group555_ using images to build an AI algorithm is more than simply looking at it

[@heywrandom8924]

Nice loop back to the original question at the end. As I understand midjourney is pretty good with hands now since v5

[@maaz4354]

Wow, one of the first short I see that is actually good! I just wanted to point out that your phone microphone is really good

[@chaosmonkey1595]

It was outdated like 2 weeks after it was released though since Ai can now do hands.

[@samantha.redacted]

look at the hands to see if it’s AI and count the teeth to see if it’s the fae

[@amogus8805]

Hands arent quite there yet but there are ai models that can perfectly draw a face. And i mean perfectly

[@venamotylek]

This is also why they have trouble with dark skin, since it receives light in a very different way from light skin. While an artist knows you just make the shadows less intense and make the highlights brighter, an AI doesn't.

[@Aztonio]

Neither World of Warcraft lol.

[@thisismyhandlehi]

"These hand nightmares!" Me: What about them eyes?

[@Redwan777]

Shoes too. I remember trying to fix a group photo with a bad view angle using DALL-E 2. This AI perfectly knows where pants and skirts should end and draws them perfectly, but when it comes to drawing shoes, everything falls apart.

[@gateauxq4604]

I’d wager that MOST art scraped off the internet is taken without permission. They need to steal because if it was opt-in they probably wouldn’t get a lot of people offering up their art to be traced by a computer.

[@wparkerunc]

anything that a human can see, an ai should be able to see. why cant an ai learn to draw like humans do? we look at images of things we draw to know what it looks like, right?

[@_-insertname-_]

@@wparkerunc Referencing isn’t the same as mass-scraping. Plus we know what it is we‘re looking at. Ai got no clue what it’s doing because it’s not even ai to begin with, that’s a fancy marketing word. It doesn’t even learn the same way humans do like y’all claim, otherwise gatchas wouldn’t be so effective.

[@Pollicina_db]

@@wparkeruncWhy would an AI have to know how to draw in the first place?

[@wparkerunc]

@@Pollicina_db do you not know what ai is? its artificial inrelligence. a network of neurons working in similar ways that our own brain works, which means that they need to learn to get better at things. ai's arent just robots, they are full on simulated brains.

[@wparkerunc]

@@Pollicina_db and in case i misinterpereted what you said, an ai learning to draw could be used for so mant things like automated entertainment and for people who cant draw to be able to express what they are thinking easier.

[@Gab-wr2ye]

sis really holding that side smile for life

[@schloomy]

every artist ever: "I guess I am an AI"

[@qtea3.149]

I’ve seen the “artist with hand deformity bravely shows off piece” meme and honestly as an artist with an actual deformity PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KEEP MAKING THOSE JOKES THEY ARE AMAZING

[@0Drimii0]

ai fetishists are complaining about artists being mad because they're as emotionless as their creations

[@Tretas.]

Many artists, especially older ones with their names already established in the cut throat industry, share the blame in this all-around cheering for AI. They're aware that it will take time for it to be perfected to the point of replacing them fully, yet it is already advanced enough to block the amateur competitors and newcomers from rising. It's myopic af but unfortunately they back up with the lie _"it'll be merely a tool and not a full replacement, I swear!"_ The latest artist doing this BS is the almost-sexagenerian Disney animator Aaron Blaise, which essentially made a false equivalency between AI-generated animation and rotoscoping.

[@0Drimii0]

@@Tretas. well, ai is not gonna stop me from having art as my hobby, its not even the same thing as hunan art, we shouldn't compare it, it's like comparing photography to painting it's just unfair, so ket the ai bros have their little corner of the internet and forget about them in the art community

[@Tretas.]

@@0Drimii0 It has already stopped many hobbyists due to also being about doing/learning something that the majority can't do, which AI-art promptly demolished. I certainly lost my passion as soon as I tried it and it gave me amazing pieces, not only echoing other artist but also mixing many to the point of the outcome being a completely original take. And don't forget, traditional art competitions have already been tricked by AI-produced art. But good luck, your passion for it must've been stronger than mine I guess.

[@0Drimii0]

@@Tretas. cause honestly? all im seeing of ai images is just pretty looking meaningless images and copy paste anime girls, so to me it's really not as good as people make it seem to be, I'd rather take humanity, passion and soul, it's what makes us human

[@Tretas.]

@@0Drimii0 What you're seeing is what the majority always does when a new, groundbreaking tech arrives: fooling around. Those actually trying beyond that make AI produce mindblowing high art. As soon as the hysteria slows down and everyone's accepted this unfortunate tech, you'll increasingly see the quality of the avg. AI piece rise exponentially. Sorry for the downer btw.

[@turtlebowl]

Ai art is not art but the AI itself is art, if that makes sense.

[@Kwauhn.]

Not sure if I agree, but either way, that's a very mature take on the matter. I'm inclined to disagree because anything can be seen as art if it's captured in the right framing and context. However, the idea that the creation of AI is, itself, an art form does align with the current consensus of what legally and morally defines AI art. Under that definition, IPs are still respected, but the usage of an IP in training is still considered fair use. I like these comments, the ones that are not explicitly pro/anti AI. They bring up the much-needed nuance in the debate.

[@ColorInversion]

Eyes: Crying silently

[@Taweret2003]

AI images often makes me think I have had a stroke while I take a moment to realize what I am looking at.

[@XxboxodxX-nk4mz]

Yes

[@achebeterence6908]

As of today, video may have aged horribly

[@dr_doritotf2305]

I thought she was talking to a ti-84 💀

[@rayet123]

I Hope that the hands never advance, just because it is the only indicator that it is Ai and can help calm the minds a little for some artist who are worried about their art being stolen

[@stephanieann6622]

Someone gonna just have deformed AF hands and be mad af if you call them AI drawn😂

[@bobthet-rex2718]

I quite enjoy that AI can't "draw" hands, the freakish monstrosities that vaguely resemble hands also represent the freakish monstrosity that is the corrosive invasion of artificial intelligence inside creative spheres.

[@s3m1f64]

wait 3 years

[@snailymitch]

Hate to break it to you but machine learning already 'invaded' the creative sphere years ago and everyone was happily using it without even sparing a single thought about how the tools you use are even designed and created. That is until now, when suddenly you feel like you have the full authority to decide for developers and researchers what they are allowed to do after mindlessly using their work for years.

[@adore.laur_]

I think the KZbin shorts are a great addition in between full videos!

[@muhammad_fahmi_ilma]

Yeah I tried using AI to draw something and there's a full pic appear with the hands with 6 fingers on both hands.

[@ethanrivers4057]

"Often without permission" almost everyone that is alive and an artist has been trained on other peoole's art without permission. The thing these artists are mad about is the fact they fear to be replaced by AI.

[@studioyokai]

Yeah but the way a lot of these AI work it's more like a weird variant of collage... which makes it potentially a derivative work, though those do get some legal leeway if they're "transformative" enough The bigger ethical issue though, from a Societal standpoint, is these AI are clearly being designed with a goal to replace the need for human artists in large scale commericial media environment to begin with (don't need a staff illustrator or maybe even photographer or models,if you can just type a prompt into a computer). So, even if it is nominally legal to use images this way to "train" an AI to make something - which technically courts have not ruled on in full; we'll need to see how the Getty Images case unfolds for that, but regardless - the ethics of using the results of people's labor and skill that took probably thousands of hours to develop...to replace them with an automated process? It's just kinda ethically callous, and a bit of an insult to all those artists out there who put the time and effort in to hone their craft. Now, TEXT generation AI... that's a whole other complicated bag of cats, especially with the revelation that having scraped data from at least one major fanfiction site, the AI built on that data set take very little prompting to commit what, if commercially released, would absolutely equate to copyright infringement and, more risky, trademark infringement (people have demonstrated that if you put in a prompt about a character named "Harry" it's almost inevitable that it will make the text have other characters with names like Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore or Sirius and start discussing things like Dementors and the Shrieking Shack or Herbology class, making it clear they've been arguably OVER trained on Harry Potter related materials, for instance). Now you can't copyright a general idea, like a Wizarding school, and a number of fanfic authors have "scraped the serial numbers off" their already alternate universe fanfics by changing specific details like character names and descriptions, place names, character backgrounds, etc... which is how an AU twilight fanfic was able to be safely revised and published as "50 Shades" But if there are far more substantial similarities between two works AND it's not qualified as a parody AND it's released in a commercial manner... it gets dicier to the point of subjective, just on the copyright front. But trademark... man do you know how many trademarks are related to the Harry Potter series?? It's one thing to have "a wizard named Harry" but no other real similarities (see: the Dresden Files), when you're liberally seasoning the text with names that are trademarked by someone, in a similar context to their original first use... yeah that. That could get you in trouble.

[@mistymoooooor]

is it wrong to be afraid? i dont believe that art should be automated. especially in this society where automation wont allow you more opportunities, just less. i do think that ai can and should be used as a tool, just not a replacement.

[@0Drimii0]

we won't get replaced just like we weren't replaced by photography ai images are separate from human art get over it, besides people will always do art for a hobby, and besides we have a community something robots can't have we connect through our art

[@kytten4506]

There is a difference between watching someone draw a picture of a rose and then drawing the rose a different color and shape with diamonds to incorporate it into your own style based off inspiration AI art will look at the rose and slap the exact same rose in the page a million times and call it, it's own art. That's stealing. No one human being can replicate Picasso's work or another example even there are thousands of anime they all have different styles of the same genre. Because humans are not copying each other they draw inspiration and come up with their own conclusion of the piece. AI art doesn't do that it will take several of your pieces and mash them together without any further alteration, it's just a collage of unaltered pieces. So stop trying to make it seem like human pieces and AI are the same when they are not.

[@yay-cat]

GPT-4: “Well actually ….

[@laurentiuvladutmanea3622]

This has nothing to do with anything. GPT 4 is a language model, not an image generator. It is also not useful for correcting people, thanks to being incapable of being grounded in truth.

[@finpin2622]

It's weird because in dreams, hands also tend to look odd (to the point that some people can realize they're dreaming by counting their fingers). It's strange because you'd think the sleeping brain would be able to construct hands fine since we recognize them so well. No idea why it happens, but I've ended up with double the amount of fingers in one hand in a dream or like, my middle finger actually being two entwined fingers.

[@zephyrias]

I saw my own hands in a dream once to test the lucid dreaming thing. Welp i freaked out and said ok lets not do that ever again and instead ima look for ways to realize im dreaming and move on.

[@rizalleksono480]

I can see perfect hands and feet in dream

[@meeeeeeauuuuuuuu]

AI:you are welcome

[@JOLT_x3]

Remember, support artists.

[@Purp0w]

Say that to the new stable diffusion

[@henrywei5019]

Discord AI: Hold my beer

[@damon4512]

Asking an artist to draw a specific picture with very specific details makes you a person asking for a picture. Asking AI to create a specific picture with very specific details somehow makes you an artist? What? Lol

[@floweryfelix5190]

First to say first ig lol

[@RioRav]

I think its adorable AI is so similar to humans, its just like all artists drawing everything else great and then hiding the hands behind the person so you dont have to try to draw them 😂

[@gamechep]

"Might change" AI- I'm way ahead of you, just please hold still while I capture every nanometer of your palm.

[@seanflora397]

Nice use of the Willhelm Scream!

[@res1dentcyn1c]

It honestly reminds me of Westworld, how the only way you could tell which was a robot and which was a person was the hands.

[@giftyay]

drawing hands is so complex even a robot can't do it

[@spatulish]

I feel you, AI.

[@Rabarbaraaa]

Just to clear things up If it has funky hands = ai or person If it hasn’t funky hands = ai or person

[@theominouspigeon]

how I draw hands: 🟡